My long range rifle - SRS-A1
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- I've been hunting for that perfect weekend paper puncher and I've found it, the Desert Tech SRS-A1 in 6.5 Creedmoor. The SRS gives me everything I want in a long range rifle including multiple calibers and extreme accuracy. I've gone with the Bushnell Elite Tactical 3.5-21x50mm scope with a Horus H59 reticle too.
Full SRS review: • Desert Tech SRS Covert
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I think my favorite part of the video is Tim explaining how impressed he was with his grouping while standing in front of the gong. He couldn't hold back the ear-to-ear grin :]
Thanks Dest... and you're right, I love this rifle. It makes me happy just thinking about shooting it. I wish I could go out to the long range on Sunday, but I have to do the family thing. Waiting another week to shoot my rifle is going to drive me nuts.
That's a sweet rifle. I've been considering getting a long range bolt rifle, but I've got so much left I want to do to my new M1A.
Both are awesome calibers. That 600 yd group is unreal.
Thanks man. Yeah, it keep shooting super tiny groups. If it doesn't shoot a tiny group, it's all the shooter. I love having that type of confidence in my rifle... it keeps me honest.
I have been an enthusiastic fan of the 6.5mm calibre for a long time. Your choice of the Creedmoor out of a 26" barrel, bolt action rifle shows that a lot of thought has been put into this gun and the justifications you give for this particular setup make a lot of sense. I would love to see more of this rifle in future videos under varying scenarios,especially performance at extreme ranges.
"Scope is a little busy" lol understatement.
Just awesome is the only way to describe that entire set up
I have a 6.5 Grendel Ar that is phenomenal even in a carbine. The 6.5mm keeps making a comeback no matter how many generations it serves.
I like how you did a very comprehensive and informational review...and it wasnt 2 hours long. Thanks for the upload and enjoy the rifle!
I try to make videos that I like to watch... short, to the point and not too much fluff. :) I'm glad you enjoy the format.
My buddy has that same scope.... Now I'm debating getting one myself! Great video as usual.
Good Show MAC.
i think my fav part of your videos is how professional you are. fantastic presenter. thanks for the great vids.
Thanks man, it's appreciated.
I really like your videos! A lot of the gear I buy is based on your videos. You and your crew are very professional and you answer questions I never thought of. My next major purchase is going to be a Desert Tech and Heckler and Koch rifles. Thanks for the videos.
6.5 FTW!!
Glad you saw the light MAC! That round has the best BC of almost any other round out there. There is a reason why f class br comps are all using it, inherent accuracy.
Now I'll finish watching the vid.
... Also... At this price point, I would like to see how the SRS in .300 WM stacks up against the NEMO in .300 WM in the raw accuracy department. They both obviously have pros/cons, but the winner in the accuracy department may get my vote for overall winner... It is too close to call at this point. I have seen some insanely small long range, sub-half-MOA groups out of the NEMO as well. This would be a very interesting competition to say the least. You could also slap the .338 Lapua bolt/barrel in the SRS and take on the AA Ulfberht. There are 2 excellent comparisons I would be glued to my iPad watching. Great job once again... THANK YOU!!
I've been waiting for this review for quite a while! The Desert Tech seems so revolutionary, plus the amazing statistics... Too bad I won't even have the chance to shoot it :(
... Time for an SRS update... Please!! Thanks for all that you do... Keep up the good work.
Thanks for all the great videos, and info. and Good Luck with the new business venture. I like the 140 grain A-max, G1 BC .585, the 120's are around . 46x I believe.
Been shooting the 6.5 creedmoor 140 grain a-max for a while in an AR platform, last shoot I went to (600 yards) its ballistics smoked all the other guys shooting .308, it's just got a flattern path.
Just bought a Desert Tactical in 6.5, will be doing a video soon.
I dont know what you are talking about. I get my FGMM 168gr and 175gr ammo online for $1.19/round. I try to buy at least 200 rounds at a time so with shipping it only cost a few cents more per round. That being said, the Creedmore is a FAR superior cartridge capable of shooting out to 1500 yards.
I have a Bushy Tac Elite scope too. Love it. The G2 reticle is FAR easier to use than the Horus and a ton less busy. I have not found a better reticle than the G2. George Gardener at GA Precision helped develop that reticle, BTW. There are some awesome videos showing rapid change up shots from 300 to 800 yards in different directions using ONLY the reticle hold over. Pretty awesome. You do, of course need to have a range card developed for your cartridge in the approximate environment you are shooting.
On 21 power (24 power in my case) the reticle is capable of VERY precise yet very QUICK hold overs. Give the G2 a try and you will never go back. The Bushnell 6-24x50 G2 and the 3.5-21x50 G2 are the two best variable non illuminated scopes in the world. I have seen some seriously abusive torture testing of these scopes on RUclips by 8541 Tactical.
Glad you chopped the beard down a bit, MAC.
I'm in love with that rifle!
I've never given the 6.5C much thought. After it came to market I think I put it out of mind, waiting to see which new wonder cartridge would last. It's hard enough finding decent hunting ammo for a buck a round, let alone some match grade stuff.
I think it's safe to say 6.5 Creedmoor is here to stay. It's dominating the long range precision competitions and it's really taken off on the commercial market too where average Joe's like me are shooting it now. Hornady has a number of offerings as so does Nosler. You can get Barnes VLD bullets for reloading that people are having very good results with in the accuracy department.
This is good news, MAC. I've been so caught up learning about shooting beyond 1000yds that I haven't paid much attention to what's being done at shorter distances. The longest shot I have access to is a hair over 600m on my friend's farm. I dream of the day when I have a 1000yd or even 1mile range to shoot at. Too many trees here in Maine!
I can appreciate the precision of modern rifles and their ability to hold tight groups at 200 yards. I was trained in the US army to hit a target at 1000 yards with iron sights. Of course I needed a spotter to read the wind and give me wind adjustments but at the All Army Rifle Competitions at Fort Benning Georgia in 1978 with my match grade M1A I scored 197 out of 200at the 1000 yard range. It's all about tuning your rifle to the ammo and sticking with one rifle that you know inside and out. If I am aiming at you with my M1-A you will not escape. To me 200 yards is the same as point blank.
M1As suck! inaccurate, inconsistent garbage.
+LivetoShoot Not a heavy barreled match grade M1A. Tack drivers that's a fact Jack.
+LivetoShoot - Maybe it's you! LOL
+Dale Nye You tool...I highly doubt you own an M1A. If so, you'd be fully aware of its accuracy limitations.
+LivetoShoot Sure I am. I wouldn't put it in the class with a high grade match bolt rifle but as a military issue rifle in the semi auto class the M1A has awesome potential in the hands of a good gunsmith. They can be fitted with heavy match grade barrels and sights and glass bedded into thick walnut stocks. Either you love them or not they still go bang and I like them just for that alone.
I think the epic guitar riff intro is my favorite part of your videos! :D
I'm running the same glass/reticle on my SRS covert. Love the rifle, and the glass. I wish DTA would release a butt pad like that for the 2nd Gen rifles prior to the A1
Tim, the staff at Desert Tech are producing some excellent rifles. And they've only been around since 2007. I saw their in development MDR (Micro Dynamic Rifle), which is a Bull Pup semi auto coming out in 5.56mm. From the prototype I saw at Shot Show 2014. I honestly, believe the MDR will be giving the Tavor a serious run for their money. And be competing with all the bull pups. As well as, being a top contender. Especially if the price point is the same as the Tavor or cheaper. The MDR safety and even the magazine release button was very AR type too. And you get a bit more room on the guard rail over the Tavor.
I was going to purchase another Tavor, due to the wife like's a bull pup design over her AR. But, now with the MDR forecasted to be released sometime in the first quarter of 2015. I'm going to wait. Still love my Tavor. I suppose if the wife bugs me enough and I can't be patient enough. I can always get another Tavor. And still get the MDR when it comes to market. Keep the MDR in the back of mind to do a review. That's provided when the come out, of course.
Respectfully,
Rick S. M.D.; Ph.D.
Lol. I have been waiting for a 6.5 creedmoor DTA SRS for a VERY long lime and lately it came out! Fell in love with the cartridge ever since I was introduced to it.
This rifle is really amazing, it just seems like it would have been really easy to add, just for example, a rod welded onto the top side of the bolt that runs down the barrel and stops where the trigger is, and have the bolt knob attached to that, so that you could operate the bolt from a more natural location. Im sure there is a way to do this that would look better, and Im sure its not a huuuge inconvenience to have to reach back to your shoulder, but it seems like that would have been something easy to tack on
MAC, do you reload? I'm a big fan of the 6.5 Creedmoor. I hand load mine and have shot it out to 1690 yards ( got that on video) I run the 140 gr Berger hybrid @ 2804 FPS out of a 25 inch barrel.
No kidding about that reticle, looks like a multiple choice exam.
Question: why haven't they brought the handle forward? Eg: instead of coming straight out of the bolt, it comes out a bit, extends forward, THEN moves fully to the right, it would make it more ergonomic to use as your hand doesn't need to go so far back, it's also closer to the trigger.
The falkor Petra is a gas operated 300 win mag ar15 that can shoot 1/4 MOA. A Crazy accurate semi auto.
Damn it man... I'm going to have an English exam tomorrow and the way and the speed you speak in this video are almost perfect to improve my listenning skill -_-
H59 reticle seems like it would help me learn longshooting being able to map where my last shot was placed so accurately
2:10 I have a GAP AR 10 in 6.5 Creed, I can print Sub moa and 1/4th MOA 3 shot groups, purchase quality and receive quality... Costs about the same as the DTA.
Mac, very nice set up. Really enjoy your videos. As they say.. "it's like being there"
Thanks for the reply MAC!! The SRS it is then.
Nice rig. That 6.5 Creedmore setup with that 26" pipe would be an ideal tool for hunting small eatable game like black grouse from the tree tops.
Nice video. Nicer trim job. doesn't distract and looks good.
I don't get the decision to pick the SRS over the Covert just due to longer barrel length alone. I run a 26" 338 barrel in my covert, and still have the flexibility of running a much shorter barrel if desired. Either way, love the rig
This is your first video I saw, Rated RR liked it so I looked at it and I have just subscribed, good video.
Very good review and info. I would have thought the .300 Win. Mag. would have beat the others out in your choice of long range rifle. I am going to go back over your vids and look to see the differences and advantages of these rounds. I have to re-think my future choice of long range rifle which up to now would have been a Rem 700 variant chambered for the .300 Win Mag. Good work.
ARE YOU CEREALS? I don't think I've ever seen anything like this. It's amazing what long range shooting has become.
Your channel is awesome btw. Cheers.
Awesome gun. you should look into either finding or possibly fabricating something that would extend the bolt lever forward in more of a comfortable position. i doubt it would take much to make it a bit more comfortable.
Absolutely freakin sick Mac! Beautiful...
Got to shoot one of those in .375 and .408 cheytac the other day and was able to make 1" groups all the way out to 700 yds with ease, never shot a smoother rifle in my life. Now I need to cough up about $7,000 bucks to get me one
Andrew Geier proof of said 1 inch group at 700 lololololololololololol
If you shot 375 & 408 cheytac you didn't shoot the SRS A1, you shot the HTI, 338LM is the largest round you can shoot out of the SRS.
I see it has been a while since this post, what conclusion did you come to on the H59 reticle? Like you I thought mine was to busy as well but the G2 is a great alternative. Really great groups there, i have personally never run a bolt action bull pup rifle, is that still your long range pick or have you gone another route?
Yea man that's great, I hope you reload and keep in mind of your velocity inputs. You will be amazed the groups you will get at 1000 with hand loads.
Being in Europe, I'm planning a 6.5x55mm rifle for myself. Great cartridge with proper loads, which are the norm in Europe. I heard they are often loaded much lighter in the U.S., though.
is that the 6.5 Swede you're taking about? the 6.5 Creedmoor here is different
My long range rifle is 338 win mag it has a very high BC of .870 in hand loads and .682 in factory HSM loads and 4100 ft of muzzel energy
I just got a SRS in .308 and .338 LM. I got a US OPTICS 1.8x10 scope.
The Desert Tech SRS in .300Win Mag is my long range rifle of choice.
Tim, I have a very interesting question on "free-floating" the Tavor. I saw a video called "Removing the U" which temporary remove the U shape ring to give Tavor more consistence accuracy. I would like to see what you think about it.
I haven't played with it, but I might. Do you have a link to the video? I'll go search for it.
I found it. I may give that a try this summer.
Military Arms Channel Thank you for reading my post. Looking forward to see what you would think about it.
"I think Stevie wonder could shoot this thing"... LMAO!
Torq11 man 5rds only can it be extended
noreen arms makes a gas gun in 300 and 7mm rem mag & 30-06 they put the gas piston system in the receiver eliminating it from the barrel which is what makes gas guns generally less accurate. nothing touching the barrel.
Great explanation and very cool rifle!
The only 3 things that could possibly make your SRS-A1 more awesome would be an
ADM optic mount
Griffin can
MARPAT Desert Ceracote
8:35
Your laptop moved after the shot! DAMN that's cool!
outstanding video man...and channel. glad you're on - keep up the good work.
I have been saving up for a nearly identical setup in .300. I am seriously considering the 6.5 now thanks to this video and reconsidering the h59. It'll be a while so I will eagerly anticipate your thoughts on the h59 after those shooting courses too. Awesome as always man.
so nice! then... I looked up the price $5000 omg.
$7500 in canada
$8000 in Australia. not including fees, shipping or scope
$2000 here in america
Opal - Zen Only in certain states
not $2000 in america
I go shooting at that range with my .338 Lap with a buddy of mine who has a membership there. It's in Indiana.
is that Young's Long Shot range? I'm thinking about getting a membership there. It's an hour drive but it looks like such a dope range
This is an impressive video, and I'm impressed with the shooter's skill. I am, however, astonished at his offhand comment, " I may be out of ammo."
Having been a shooter for most of my life, especially as a sworn Police Officer, I have always been 100% aware of exactly how many rounds I have fired, and how many rounds I have left in the magazine, tube, or cylinder.
As far as the "suppressed" vs. "un-suppressed" discussion is concerned, that is merely a point of necessity.
Hey Mac-
I get the 6.5 choice, but why the 300WM vs the 338? Seem like you might want more differential between the two cartridges. The 6.5 performs much like the 300WM?
Great video, thx
Nice shootin devil dog, and damn fine rifle. I gotta go back and watch the review you did.
Very nice rifle. I would consider getting one if they made a lefty model. Many people think being left handed and having a right hand bolt gives them an advantage but I disagree.
O Man, that's beautiful! Excellent action. Wicked choice. We like bolt action, but it's 50/50 as first choice Long Range weaps.
Good stuff man great video as usual
A bolt action bull pup. That's a cool looking setup
Dta srs is my next rifle for sure
im not so sure about the Bushnell Elete Tactical scope
great shooting nice video,good job
Tim great review ive been looking at this rifle ever since your first review of it and its gotten great response from acclaimed LR guys, especially with the 6.5 creedmore, which is my favorite factory loaded cartridge for this type of application. Would you be able to review a spotting scope for us in the near future? I'd love to see what the world is offering in a high quality cost effective platform for spotters, it's one of those necessary tools everyone seems to overlook IMHO. Mick!
I had a hard time finding a good mil dot spotting scope outside of the Leupold. It seems few companies offer a solid solution that isn't uber expensive. I settled on the Leupold.
That's what I have currently as well, I just figured having a good beater wouldn't be a bad idea...the wind here in the desert gets a little crazy and it's hell on my Leupolds lens. She looks a little rougher than she should for her age haha.
Jaw hit the ground... Nice job guys! and interesting round to, the 6.5 crenshaw... was crenshaw, right?
The 6.5mm rounds never get enough credit. I have a 6.5x55 that shoots 0.5 MOA all day long(with the right loads) and I'm gonna build a 6.5 Grendel(not Creedmoor LOL) this fall. I'd love to see MAC do a run down between 6.5 Creedmore and 6.5 Grendel. Both those rounds need a lot more love!
Both the Creedmore and the 260 Reminton are 6.5mm built on 308 cases... No matter what you do to a Grendel it simply does not have the horsepower to compete with either of the 308 based cartridges.... Its only real attribute is the fact that it's the best long range cartridge that will operate in the AR15... And if that is your platform then its a great cartridge.... However if your really serious about long range and want an affordable Semi Auto i would go with any one of the AR10 platforms in either .243 Winchester (6x51) or 260 Remington (6.5 x 51).... Both with barrel twists optimized to shoot the long VLD type Bullets that are best for long range shooting.. .260 remington will give more velocity then the 6.5 Creedmore but you have to handload it if you want to shoot the High BC bullets because factory long range ammo is not readily available for the 260.... If you have to shoot factory ammo then go with the 6.5 Creedmore or the .308 ....
any chance you know what muzzle velocity you are getting??
My chrono shows 2900 fps out of my Desert Tech 26" with hornady 140 Amax. sea level, standard atmospheric at 70* ammo and ambient air temp
So the whisker trim is a result of the beard getting stuck in the bolt mech, amiright?
Looks like a great setup. I'm also very interested in that Horus reticle. Seems really effective.
Impressive shooting rifle. A future marksmen rifle. 6.5 Creedmor by Hornady is a great cartridge as well
I figured yea my instinct was to go with the dta because of the ergonomics and practical use
A quick question; how does this gun compare to the Nemo Arms Omen Recon, obviously they're both on different platforms, but I'm just curious how you felt the the recoil, usability, accuracy compared on the two guns? I know you haven't yet done your full review of the Nemo but I'm just curious how they stack up. Thanks so much for the videos!
Just a thought, but, I would like to see some tests between the 6.5 creedmoor and 308 Winchester. We all know the 6.5 wins in long range with the higher BC and faster fps. But I wonder how the knock down power and penetration compares?
Tim,
Any regrets on picking the A1 over the Covert? Anything you wish you had choose differently?
I’m in the market for one and I’m looking for input before I commit to dropping the large sum of money on a rifle.
It all depends on barrel length. If you are going extra long range shooting, you will probably wan the A1 (Now the A2). If you want a compact rifle and aren't planning on shooting past 1500yards, the covert is awesome. You can still put the longer barrels in the covert without any issues at all but it just looks kinda funny with the long barrel sticking out of the short forearm. The beauty of the A2 is that you can change the forearm from covert to standard without any special tools now. I got the covert and don't have any regrets.
I shoot quarter-sized groups with my Rock River LAR-8 from 200 yards with a 10x fixed sight using Federal Gold Match 168gr.
26" bull barrel of course.
Having a 6.5 creedmoor being built right now by moon at crescent customs. Cant wait to try this little round out. Whats your dope at a 1000 with that 26 inch tube? Very nice rig you have there.
The fde ERS would've look nice on that rig. For a less busy reticle try the G2.
Tim, you look so much better. Also, awesome gun.
well I'm not gonna lie, I'm sold! just placed an order through my dealer/friend. Getting a great deal due to my background. Thanks for the great video.
You went well with .300 Win Mag for super long range. I think .338 is too expensive. I hear 7mm-08 is also a good bullet.
The .300 win Mag firing the 208gr A-Max bullet will do everything the .338 Lapua will do 80 percent of what can be done with the .338 Lapua and do it at over half the ammunition costs.... that cost even carries over to handloading since .338 components are the most expensive components to reload for save for the 50BMG... for extreme long range (past 1500 yards) and for those wanting Anti Material Capabilities under 600 yards the .338 is worth the extra cost... but only then.... and very few people east of the Mississippi have places where shooting past 1000 yards is even feasible...
Nice toy brother...I found a dealer for this rifle in Germany...have to think about getting one also
You won't be sorry.
Many many upsides - one dealbreaking downside: WAY TOO HEAVY. Not *really* field-mobile enough for my tastes. And super expensive. But great rifle if you've got the bank, and excellent chambering choice -- and explanation for same. If I got a DTA SRS, I'd go with 7mm WSM or 7mm RSAUM with 8.7 twist for Berger 180s. Overall, very nice vid; thanks. My long range rig used to be in 7mm RSAUM. Now I have two medium-weight long-rangers, in .243 win and 6.5mm-'06 A-Square. But to me, long range is 400 yards, not 1000 - I suck.
I am SO jealous of you. I wish I had a range like that near me. All I have is an indoor range 30 minutes away that takes only handguns and an outdoor range an hour away
I would love to go shooting with you Tim but a trip from Florida is a stretch
I wish he would do an update to this video.
Hey Mac, what suppressor would you suggest a gander at with regards to 6.5 creedmor? Can I shoot 6.5 through standard .308 cans?
Hey Tim, did you do any sort of barrel break in procedure with that rifle? I know a lot of manufactures recommend a method for improving barrel life and cleaning. Also, how easy is it to clean the barrel at the range? It looks like you have to tear down the rifle somewhat to get a bore guide in there. Or, do you just pull the barrel and clamp it down to clean it? Thanks.
I don't do barrel break-ins, they're voodoo in my experience. I punched the bore with patches (I rarely use brushes) and started shooting. I don't do the fire 5 or 10 rounds and clean stuff, it has zero affect on accuracy in my experience. It does, however, shorten barrel life if you constantly brush your barrel. To clean you push a little tab and slide the buttpad off. Retract the bolt, which will come straight out the back, and start cleaning from the chamber end of the barrel.
Military Arms Channel I don't use brushes on my rifles. I like Butchs bore shine. Really does wonders on removing copper fouling. I use Hoppes benchrest #9 occasionally also. I'm not that great of a shot, so I'm really just wasting my time I think.
Just want to ask a stupid question. Can you benefit from the short action calibre the 6.5C is in this rifle considering a bolt and barrel change gives you a 300WM? The action must still be long then? Also how does the magazine well cope with catridges of such different lengths?
they should have made it a streight pull with a bolt bar that is run up ahead of the bolt and on the left side to be operated by the other hand, on just in front of the grip on the right for right hand operation
Nice rifle - looks like a beast, espcially those nice little groups!
I like the bullpup design - 26" inch barrel and the same length as a 18" standard rifle. However, as someone who shoots lefty, most right handed rifles work for me, I don't think a bull-pup would.
After watching you shoot it looks the recoil is managed very well.
Where I live, finding 5.56x45 or 7.62x51 isn't an issue. I've never looked for 6.5 Creedmoor - is it pretty easy to find?
Again, nice rifle, thanks for posting.
The SRS A1 and Covert are available in left handed versions.
Awesome video! I just had a long nice chat with Ryan @ desert tech. Very interested in this rifle in 338lm and 6.5 cm. I do have two concerns and that being one where the magazine to support hand location when firing the magnum. That mag looks like it could make for a bad day when it recoils gouging into your hand. Second being also bull pup problem I can see if you have a sticky bolt " also a magnum problem" having issues making that bolt run while keeping a good cheek weld. Has this been a problem for you?
For a SHTF situation, would you take the 300 over the .308 or the 338? why is that? I only ask because I'm in the market for a long range rifle and am hearing conflicting but yet compelling arguments for the available calibers (namely the three mentioned above) that will reach out that far. Thoughts on caliber and type of rifle?
Would you rather this than a Berrett MRAD? Both are modular and are around the same price range. Any opinions are greatly appreciated. I am considering buying my first long range rifle!!! Which is best for accuracy and which is best for the money? Thanks
Between this for long range, and the Tavor for CQ, you've got the full bullpup kit.
One question -- it seems like an advantage of the bullpup design for this rifle is that if you find yourself having to shoot it from a standing, kneeling, or sitting position, I would think that the rifle would be a lot less nose-heavy than a conventional sniper rifle. Have you found that to be true?
Yes, bullpups will always be less nose heavy than a conventional rifle given the weight of the action is behind the pistol grip vs. in front of it.
I am going to get the 6.5 as well. price 4 premium ammo is the same as my 6.8spc that I shoot out of my Daniel Defense/ambush m4v7,which is my primary deer riffle,offten il use my Henry 357 mag its actually more exciting to take a deer with the Henry, the 6.8 just does all the work for me lol...the 6.5 will be my choice its not to heavy on the wallet when its range day
So how much have you got invested in that setup? Are the reloading supplies easy to obtain? What's your reloading costs vs buying a box?
With both barrels the gun is about $7k. With the scope there's another $2k. So, it's a considerable investment which is why I have given so much thought to it and weighed my options carefully. I'm very pleased with my choice so far.
that rig is awesome
Ditch the knob, that looks like it feels awkward as hell. Can you get an overhand knob upward facing with the same actuation? might even extend it up toward the trigger group externally. idk...would definitely mod that...
Personaly i would have chosen the 6,5x55 Swedish, its kind of similar to the creedmore but much cheaper and well supplied. Atleas here where i live.