Nice claggy startup ive choked a few times at tmd depots around the UK in the 80s 90s when class 25s 37s 31s 20s 47s 45s was starting up lol happy days of coming home stinking of diesel lol 😆 😀 😄
You been to the former upperby 12B TMD engine sheds in Carlisle? My grandfather worked in them when he worked for BR on steam trains before retiring just before 1970.
Remember these are preservation railways hence funds can be tight. Look at your electric bill from the utility for one month now ****** times 4 and you'll be close to what It would cost for a block heater. Had to start an ALCO RS-2 one morning after the kids got up in the cab and shut her down in February 5 degrees out when I arrived battery cranked and stalled at compression. 3 attempts same result. 4th try said you go or blow the starter fuse Engine stalled on compression and after 10 seconds or so finally moved past it very slowly 5 more cylinders and it started!! It still had water in the cooling system. We don use antifreeze In our locomotives here in USA. Engine had volt and amp meters in the cab when I Released the stater lever voltage was 75 and amps pegged the meter which went To 300 amps on the dial engine would roll at idle rpm dropped by50 and idled smoothly Love those old ALCO 244 engines
Anthony Smith True enough, though I wonder why they were not part of the original engine. I suppose the British climate wasn't considered to be cold enough.
The pistons in these things are bigger almost a foot in diameter and there is up to 16 of them it's gonna take a while to warm them up to run correctly even with a block heater
It's starting from cold, the engine needs to warm up so 2 cylinders at a time start running then the next 2 start and the next 2 and so fourth untill the engine is warm enough to run properly
The engine uses two bendix drive starter motors to crank her over on ac generator locomotives ALCO EMD AND GE all used the auxiliary generator and the exciter to crank over the engine with a DC main generator. When they switched to bendix starter motors two per engine EMD AND GE used to 32 volt stater motors in series ( nominal voltage on batteries is 64 volts static And 72-75 volts running) ALCO used GE electrical gear on 99 % of their engines. I The ALCO Centuries sometimes used an Ingersoll rand gear reduction air stater system. I had the occasion to start a ALCO C-430 v-16 251F engine stater control on left side forward Of engine at night starter was at knee level 2 inch feed pipe no muffler sitting opposite the locker Room hot August night. The guys roared when I hit the starter. The noise so startled me I jumped over the Handrail and landed in the six foot. Claimed back on engine looked over starter and started engine that Was back in 1972!!
Hello mate, this is a Brush Type 2 diesel electric. Brush = Brush Traction of Loughborough, Leicestershire Type 2 = power classification of the time. Later they were redesignated Class 31 (Class 30 was identical except for having the original Mirlees engine, the 31s, like this dirty beast, had a more powerful and reliable English Electric unit installed). They were built between late 1957 and 1962 and put in many years of good service on nearly all areas of the British Rail network, with some examples surviving into privatisation era and into the 21st century. There have been several different sub classifications, of which I am not expert enough to explain. Hope this helps.
Originally they started out as a class 30 but were fitted with a mirlees engine which I understand was prone to crankshaft failures and in late 1969 there about re engined with English Electric 12svt 1470 hp at 850 rpm similar to the English Electric 12Csvt 1750 hp fitted to the class 37 but if I recall the class 37 was intercooled and turbocharged where the class 31 was just turbocharged hence the lower horse power
+Train Maniac so there is a starter engine running on diesel to create power to start the main engine? I was comparing with how I crank my car engine on cold mornings, and almost use up my 90 amp car battery to get the car started.
+Finn Renard The starting batteries on these are used to motor the main traction generator. Ie, It basically uses the generator as a big starter motor.
@@bjoe385 BR Blue from the old days of the nationalised railway. Go back further and you find it was a darker green, similar to current GWR stuff. Its fairly iconic now for british diesels.
Remember they dont have glow plugs like a diesel car or truck , fuel is generally cold unless theres a warmer on it and even if you try to fire a diesel car or truck without glow plugs its just as awkward and makes a lot of smoke , as do tractors even theogh they have glow plugs they still can throw a bit of smoke
There is a "cold start" button but on English Electric diesels this just injects extra fuel into the cylinders to encourage them to fire. Like all EE diesels, a couple of start sees each cylinder start firing one at a time. Give her half an hour and that should clear. If not, there are problems with the turbo or injectors.
I needed to know why they don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so that they can extend the unused abandoned underground train stations. Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into Five cars per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers. A Stock Trains and also having 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it larger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Railway tunnel into a High-Speed Railway lines? The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Railway line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. Then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 47 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project if that will be OK for London Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from the Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden more Easily. Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly Line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street can they also make another brand new underground train station in Chingford and could they extend the Piccadilly Line and the DLR right up to Chingford? All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains. Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and can they order Every 77 Octagon and Every 47 Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13, unique small no.11 and unique small no.10 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 147MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 147MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units, can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!!!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 18 Tonnes for all of those 147MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!! so please make sure that the Builders can do as they are told!!!!! And Please do something about these very very important Professional ideas Please? Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Australia, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
I was in Penzance with a class 31 once that made this one look clean. We saw the blue lights coming down the street to extinguish it. We just said no no it's fine, calm down they all do that! Lol
I'm no eco-warrior and even find this a bit funny but my god that's bad. It's just massively inefficient and ineffective when it's chucking out all that crap and only on a few cylinders. What was wrong with it ? I can't imagine that they were like that when they were new.
Actually... they kinda were, simple engine design from English Electric is why it is so claggy, but once its gotten run in and warn, its really not that bad at all. Just remember, this is early in the diesel age, so about late 50's. Nothing is wrong with it, just a bit cold.
Just to add on too, most of that is diesel, these things dont have spark plugs of any kind, it takes a bit to get them started up like this, a cylinder at a time. If you see black, it is some carbon, but as you can see, not too much really.
@@lewis72 No issue there, most locos in the BR scheme, so this blue, dark green with BR logo are from 50s to 90s. Not exactly new. Its nice to see them in preservation though, would have been very sad to see them in a scrap pile.
Love the way the cylinders join in one at a time!
Oh yeah! Clag central! Very tidy looking Ped and nice atmospheric display. Love it!
A nice catchy sound
Jolie vodéo aper temps froid surement. Merci de nous l'avoir transmis.
And there's me worrying about the smoke coming out the back of my Mk4 Cortina
Lappa Valley railways has a BR unit with a 1600 Cortina engine.
F**k the environment,this is class
Nice claggy startup ive choked a few times at tmd depots around the UK in the 80s 90s when class 25s 37s 31s 20s 47s 45s was starting up lol happy days of coming home stinking of diesel lol 😆 😀 😄
You been to the former upperby 12B TMD engine sheds in Carlisle? My grandfather worked in them when he worked for BR on steam trains before retiring just before 1970.
I've a soft spot for the 31's since my boyhood and teen years but that pollution is terrible.
Sounds like my neighbours Vauxhall insignia "whisperdiesel".
I’d love to start that outside Greta thunbergs house.😂
It has a nice rhythm when starting up. There was a lot of thick black smoke coming from it. I guess that's because the Brush type 2 is very old.
Love the smell so nostalgic
Remember these are preservation railways hence funds can be tight.
Look at your electric bill from the utility for one month now ****** times 4 and you'll be close to what
It would cost for a block heater. Had to start an ALCO RS-2 one morning after the kids
got up in the cab and shut her down in February 5 degrees out when I arrived battery
cranked and stalled at compression. 3 attempts same result. 4th try said you go or blow the starter fuse
Engine stalled on compression and after 10 seconds or so finally moved past it very slowly
5 more cylinders and it started!! It still had water in the cooling system. We don use antifreeze
In our locomotives here in USA. Engine had volt and amp meters in the cab when I
Released the stater lever voltage was 75 and amps pegged the meter which went
To 300 amps on the dial engine would roll at idle rpm dropped by50 and idled smoothly
Love those old ALCO 244 engines
Its like a powerstation on train tracks.
The class 31 an eco friendly locomotive
What could be better for the environment than a 185 litre twin turbocharged v12 making 1470 bop? Well it’s more eco friendly than a Volkswagen.
Its got a good beat to it, could probably dance to it!
The smell on a cold and frosty winter morning🤌🤌🤌
Almost like she saying " I got this I got this" over and over
It does have that rhythm to it
¡ Extraordinario !.
Yes, looks like Boris' new Green Britain
Ahh this gives me life 🙌
Now, wouldn't a block heater be a good idea? You could put it on a time switch so that it only came on a few hours before the loco was wanted.
Anthony Smith True enough, though I wonder why they were not part of the original engine. I suppose the British climate wasn't considered to be cold enough.
@@Palifiox no I think it had more to do with that locos back then were hardly shut down they were always in use
The pistons in these things are bigger almost a foot in diameter and there is up to 16 of them it's gonna take a while to warm them up to run correctly even with a block heater
Volkswagen introduce their emissions beating technology to the world!
Great sound, but why do they just not start like normal diesel engines?
It's starting from cold, the engine needs to warm up so 2 cylinders at a time start running then the next 2 start and the next 2 and so fourth untill the engine is warm enough to run properly
The engine uses two bendix drive starter motors to crank her over on ac generator locomotives
ALCO EMD AND GE all used the auxiliary generator and the exciter to crank over the engine
with a DC main generator. When they switched to bendix starter motors two per engine
EMD AND GE used to 32 volt stater motors in series ( nominal voltage on batteries is 64 volts static
And 72-75 volts running) ALCO used GE electrical gear on 99 % of their engines.
I The ALCO Centuries sometimes used an Ingersoll rand gear reduction air stater system.
I had the occasion to start a ALCO C-430 v-16 251F engine stater control on left side forward
Of engine at night starter was at knee level 2 inch feed pipe no muffler sitting opposite the locker
Room hot August night. The guys roared when I hit the starter. The noise so startled me I jumped over the
Handrail and landed in the six foot. Claimed back on engine looked over starter and started engine that
Was back in 1972!!
What relevance is all this to an English Electric 12-cylinder diesel that is started by the generator being used as a motor?
Don't know the engine but the start was awesome
Nice thanks for the knowledge always love to see some trains from across the pond
Good for the air quality......
¡ Lindo arranque !.
Speak English, you dirty latino 🖕
Love the Green Party 🎉
Brilliant sound! What railway is this on?
This video is filmed at the Northampton & Lamport Railway
@@uqinovia8826 nice one thanks. Have you been there?
@@mattseymour8637 Not yet, but i've watched a few videos at this railway
As a Finn, do not know anything about these locos. Are they British made, when were these made?
Hello mate, this is a Brush Type 2 diesel electric. Brush = Brush Traction of Loughborough, Leicestershire Type 2 = power classification of the time. Later they were redesignated Class 31 (Class 30 was identical except for having the original Mirlees engine, the 31s, like this dirty beast, had a more powerful and reliable English Electric unit installed). They were built between late 1957 and 1962 and put in many years of good service on nearly all areas of the British Rail network, with some examples surviving into privatisation era and into the 21st century. There have been several different sub classifications, of which I am not expert enough to explain. Hope this helps.
@@adamc1272 Thank you for the clarification, brother.
Originally they started out as a class 30 but were fitted with a mirlees engine which I understand was prone to crankshaft failures and in late 1969 there about re engined with English Electric 12svt 1470 hp at 850 rpm similar to the English Electric 12Csvt 1750 hp fitted to the class 37 but if I recall the class 37 was intercooled and turbocharged where the class 31 was just turbocharged hence the lower horse power
That thing belches and farts like I do in the morning. I think the diesel smells better though.
Nice video are they going to repaint "Phoenix" back into this livery?
Thanks for sharing. It must take a lot of electric power. I'd like to see the batteries that made this engine run :)
+Finn Renard Its diesel electric mate......
+Train Maniac so there is a starter engine running on diesel to create power to start the main engine? I was comparing with how I crank my car engine on cold mornings, and almost use up my 90 amp car battery to get the car started.
Yeah- thats about correct. I don't own a car (as of yet) but i think it uses the same principles
+Finn Renard The starting batteries on these are used to motor the main traction generator. Ie, It basically uses the generator as a big starter motor.
Check the rings,injectors, AND If she has turbocharger,an issue surely Is with it.
In about twenty minutes, it will be sweating like Muhammad Ashraf.
Did they make this much smoke when cold starting from brand new?
I assume so, the smoke on startup is a result of the relatively simple design of the engine.
Love it
This will please Greta!!! Heres for you love..
No, these must be cut for scrap and melted to make new traction. Stop the pollution.
@@PreservationEnthusiaststuff greta. Long live the diesel loco.
Good have a cough and clear the soot from your lungs!!!
For some reason they painted it light blue. Not sure why.
@@bjoe385 BR Blue from the old days of the nationalised railway. Go back further and you find it was a darker green, similar to current GWR stuff. Its fairly iconic now for british diesels.
Where is this looks like Lamport?.
Prime candidate for Class 30 conversion...
Does it run on SeaFoam?
Sounds about right.....
is this a v8 hybrid or what
clags like an alco
When I was firing steam, if I had allowed the engine to produce that much smoke I would have been sacked.
Don't have any control on how these EE's behave on cold start.
Yes, but it aint steam.
Clanging the engine first and then the class 31 will survive
Has there always been this issue with smoke emission even when the engine is warm or is it maintenance problem? Just asking!
Remember they dont have glow plugs like a diesel car or truck , fuel is generally cold unless theres a warmer on it and even if you try to fire a diesel car or truck without glow plugs its just as awkward and makes a lot of smoke , as do tractors even theogh they have glow plugs they still can throw a bit of smoke
happy traveller could u fit glow plugs to diesel locomotives now in preserve??
There is a "cold start" button but on English Electric diesels this just injects extra fuel into the cylinders to encourage them to fire. Like all EE diesels, a couple of start sees each cylinder start firing one at a time. Give her half an hour and that should clear. If not, there are problems with the turbo or injectors.
What's the Environmental Protection Authority have to say about this?
CGT867 that's another chunk of the polar ice cap fucked
I hope none of the neighbours have their white linen out on the washing line
And we has mototists get clobbered for pollution what about an emissions test and tax on these engines
I needed to know why they don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so that they can extend the unused abandoned underground train stations. Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into Five cars per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers. A Stock Trains and also having 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it larger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Railway tunnel into a High-Speed Railway lines? The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Railway line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. Then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 47 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project if that will be OK for London Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from the Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden more Easily. Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly Line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street can they also make another brand new underground train station in Chingford and could they extend the Piccadilly Line and the DLR right up to Chingford? All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains. Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and can they order Every 77 Octagon and Every 47 Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13, unique small no.11 and unique small no.10 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 147MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 147MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units, can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!!!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 18 Tonnes for all of those 147MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!! so please make sure that the Builders can do as they are told!!!!! And Please do something about these very very important Professional ideas Please? Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Australia, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
simple answer, shitton expensive
There’s a month’s of fuel rationing in one go
Bloody hell 😳
Nearly All diesel has problems at Cold start
Неее...Никакой дизель не сравнится с нашим 10Д100!
Love the pollution.
Is 289 always claggy
As of October 29 2019, yes
And they are going to ban diesel car due to pollution what about diesel trains my car doesn’t create that much in a year that’s doing it daily!!!!!
ironic because diesel electric locomotives produce small fraction to what your SUV could pollute
Bring back steam all IS FORGIVEN
wonder if any called 999 and said fireeeeeee
I was in Penzance with a class 31 once that made this one look clean. We saw the blue lights coming down the street to extinguish it. We just said no no it's fine, calm down they all do that! Lol
Yep. Scrap it.
Putz acabou cm a camada de ozônio
русские поезда интереснее заводятся
(gold star) you tried.
Techno dance
Its a dissell but it akte like a stemmer lol
+Anthony Smith what ever
Amusing to watch bug dreadful pollution.
This needs a block heater if it is going to be switched off for long periods.
I'm no eco-warrior and even find this a bit funny but my god that's bad.
It's just massively inefficient and ineffective when it's chucking out all that crap and only on a few cylinders.
What was wrong with it ? I can't imagine that they were like that when they were new.
Actually... they kinda were, simple engine design from English Electric is why it is so claggy, but once its gotten run in and warn, its really not that bad at all. Just remember, this is early in the diesel age, so about late 50's. Nothing is wrong with it, just a bit cold.
Just to add on too, most of that is diesel, these things dont have spark plugs of any kind, it takes a bit to get them started up like this, a cylinder at a time. If you see black, it is some carbon, but as you can see, not too much really.
tehherpderp
Yes, I guess I didn’t appreciate that this is 1950s’ diesel.
@@lewis72 No issue there, most locos in the BR scheme, so this blue, dark green with BR logo are from 50s to 90s. Not exactly new. Its nice to see them in preservation though, would have been very sad to see them in a scrap pile.
@@tehherpderp7007
I agree.
I was wondering if worn injectors, valve seals etc. could have caused this excessive smoking.
wouldn't have that problem with steam
So tell me again, why are electric trains allegedly better for the environment? 🤣
It will be a sad day when diesel comes to an end 😢
everyone in this video has now died of cancer
爆煙火車。
Hmmm.... not a very healthy engine there.
cancer can comes
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