Some** I for one didn’t believe him. He is a villain, not just because we know that but he has shown that. Anything he has done it’s been for himself. At the very start of the show it tells us how he plays, by using manipulation. He managed to manipulate everyone at least once, he hasn’t done anything for the people besides coincidences. Im genuinely not sure why anyone would’ve come to the conclusion along the way he was good enough to feel betrayed when he faces is better instincts.
Rip Vic. To lose your parents by the Riddler's terrorist attack to being taken out by the man you saw as family, what a terrible end for Vic. His loyalty was repaid in blood. Penguin reminded everybody watching that he's not the good guy. He's the bad guy. He's a villain. He saw Vic as a weakness that could be used to hurt him, after what happened with his mom he couldn't let it happen again
Considering how Vic lost his whole life because of a flood, the last shot of Vic (technically) being Penguin throwing his ID into the water is just chilling.
@@ThomasThomas2x3989everything was dragging and cringe, a fat retarded playing gangster with plot armor and lucky on his side, dumbest show ever, the fact is so highly rated is very worrying
It’s so realistic that Oz would never be willing to admit/face what he did. He’d be in denial about it until his dying day even in the face of his mom saying she knew.
Yeah I think everyone is missing that this is also a part of why he kills Vic. Vic knew everything and it would have ruined penguins delusions to himself that his mom loved him and he wasn't responsible. Vic was not just a liability as leverage but also broke the illusions penguin held for himself.
After everything Vic did to help build the empire, Oz didn't even give him the dignity of recognition after death. Instead he dies like just like another poor kid from Crown Point. Gut wrenchingly tragic.
Not gonna lie, I knew Vic wasn't making it pass this season, mainly bc he was the only person that knew about his mother, but after learning about his brothers last week. I knew it was up for Vic smh
I believe Another big reason for Oz killing Vic is because he saw how strong he became among all the other right hand men of gangs and Vic was the one who convinced them to turn, so Vic got some power and that's bad for penguin
I would've freaked out if the last shot was a silhouette of Batman standing on the roof, or on a roof across from the tower. They wouldn't even need Battinson for that
3 reasons vic died 1. He was a good person at wrong place at wrong time 2. As seen in last episode how the low rank people in the triads killed there heads and helped Penguin ! Same thing could have been future for penguin vs vic 3. Penguin doesn’t want any family now ! He is the devil
What do you mean why? Oz himself explained why in his twisted mind, hes killing him be cause he can't afford to care for anyone. It actually makes sense, and it has been foreshadowed during the whole show
Penguin doesn't love his mother. She's just a possession to him because she's the only person he THINKS loves him and will say nice things. He's so gross. He literally went against her wishes and kept her as a vegetable.
As Sofia pointed out Oz never truly loved his mother. He loved how she made him feel about himself. Hence why he keeps her alive entombed in her own body because he can’t let go. The one thing she never wanted
I find it hilarious one of yall said Vic could be Oz's link and still don't know why Vic had to go link was super loyal to his boss too but maybe one day Vic would want to be boss and his love for Vic could blind him to the possibility he would betray him so take him out before it can happen and let no one get close enough to be able to betray him
On why Oz killed Vic: I think an important factor motivating Oz, other than not wanting to have another liability besides his mom, was the fact that Vic would eventually become the deputy/underboss. Considering all the deputies killed their own bosses, maybe Oz was afraid of a future where he couldn't trust Vic's loyalty anymore.
Dude in the middle is perplexed as to why Oz deleted Vic from existence, they showed us him deleting his own brothers. Why would you be surprised by the fact he took out someone he barely even knows lol?
In Batman Returns, Danny DeVito's Penguin isn't in "cahoots with the Mayor". He's literally running for Mayor. The line that she says to him at the end, "Oswald Cobb, man on of the people" will no doubt be the tagline for his Mayoral campaign.
Spidey is so on team "I can fix her" he's forgetting terrorist attacks. And I get it, I'm not even trying to fix her. I'm just ready for the ride wherever it goes. I may as wrll be Dr Rush
While reading a bit about the finale, I was guided to something that Lauren LeFranc wrote in 2017 called Supermom about when she was around eight and a friend of hers died. It turned out that her friend's mother killed her and her younger sister. And for a quite a while, LeFranc was terrified that her own mother would kill her. I cannot say if any of that directly influenced stuff in this show, but I cannot help but believe that it was at least indirectly influential.
Francés should've put Oz in an institution as a kid. Vic's death has me in my feelings. He didn't have to die like a nobody. It's so cruel. Great show tho.
It was a great decision for the story and Oz as a villain to kill Vic. We're too used to redeemable qualities in modern villains and expecting something just and fair. Vic was a vulnerable kid that lost his family in a tragedy, recruited and used by Oz, but at the end of the day was given the chance to leave and chose to stay in the life and work for a man he knew was terrible because he gave him a chance to make easy money.
Suraj "why did he kill vic, it makes no sense" As oz literally says family is a weakness. He cared about vic like family, but family is a weakness someone can use against you, he almost lost because sofia used his mom against him, he didnt want someone to use vic against him, so he got rid of vic as a weakness
I mean, that’s the thing with this show. Until the literal last minute, their relationship seemed so wholesome. The show really had you thinking Vic would be the exception, but looking back after it’s all finished, you realise there was no way he was making it out alive. It was always gonna end this way, but the show still had you hoping against hope.
In Batman Earth One universe Penguin is the mayor of Gotham and his rival was Thomas Wayne. In that world he was the reason the Wayne’s were killed just so he could well become mayor.
This episode was incredible. The whiplash from anger Sofia was getting sent back to Arkham, to sympathy at the hospital for his mum, to rage as he kills Vic. As soon as Vic said he was like family, the way Colin's eyes changed was chilling. And he explained why - family is a strength, but also a weakness and he can't have any more weaknesses. Poor poor Vic. Loved the Selina reference and that her theme from the film played as Sofia read the letter and the bat signal was a perfect end. Dear Batman, please kick the hell out of Penguin for Vic! Fantastic they didn't try and make the Penguin good, or an anti-hero; he's a villain. He's a monster and there's no pretending otherwise. Give this show all the awards! Oh and Matt Reeves has said the Joker series isn't true by the way (well, that's what he's saying at the moment). I'd love one of Commissioner Gordon, or Selina Kyle. Any more depth in to this world is good with me.
I feel like the reason Oz killed Vic was NOT because Vic cared for Oz, it was the other way around. Oz saw that he could care for Vic, and that was a weakness in his eyes
When that final shot of the cámara glazing through gotham , all i could think about was the Batman sígnal is coming and i was right… great ending to a great show.
The quality of the series is magnificent and contains tension, drama, grace, anxiety and anticipation in the tension with the climax of everything and the point. That Colin is the villain worthy of being, until we see the bat signal. It is without a doubt. The best thing DC has ever released.🔥🔥👏👏
My take on why he killed Vic is that Vic cared about him, but had never seen all the worst stuff Oz had done-in a way, it's almost safer for Oz to kill Vic while Vic still loves him, before he has a chance to truly learn how vile Oz is and turn on him too like everyone else in his life.
I mean oz flat out tells us AND VIC “family makes you strong… but damn if it don’t make you WEAK” he just had the first instance of his family and someone he cared about being used against him, as fucked up as it is he saw Vic as family in some way and didn’t want to let someone use him against him🫠
@@kylebuonomo2557 Yeah, I should have clarified my take is on top of what he said. It's a weakness in that other people can use Vic against him, but it's also a weakness that Vic can break his heart by hating him
I took Ma having a stroke after stabbing Oz & seeing the boys as her finally being able to pass now that she’s done the “right thing”. They’re willing to forgive because she finally honored them
he doesnt want anyone close to him now because he knows its a weakness now. he called himn family which makes him a liability now. it makes you hate him even more... which makes you love him as a villian even more. this damn show was a 10 out of 10 for sure. GOLD!!!!
Penguin isn't an anti-hero, Vic was. Penguin killed that part of him that the audience liked, literally. Batman villains usually have tragic backstories, but very few of them do you actually sympathize with when it comes to their motives. This is a perfect ending to this show.
When Vic called Oz "family", Oz realized that he cared about him. After everything Oz went through with his mom and realizing how much all the shit with her set him back, he just decided to kill Vic then and there, so he could never be used against him (willingly or not). He has no personal weaknesses after getting rid of him.
I took it that Penguin killed Vic because Sofia made him hurt through his mother. When Victor said he was family, Penguin realized that it was true and he built a genuine attachment to Vic. And he couldn't risk having that weakness for someone like Sofia to exploit again. The heartbreaking thing about Vic is he died a nobody; acholol in his system, no wallet and no ID. Probably regarded by police as a homeless John Doe who died tragically young. Penguin did that to him as Vic begged for his life. He sent Sofia to hell (Arkham) and he kept his mother alive in a vegetative prison, knowing she hates him and that she wanted to die. I can't wait for Penguin to get his nose caved in by Batman. Batman 2 is gonna be so good.
At first I thought Oz decided to kill Vic in a spur of the moment thing when Vic called him family, but after watching it again and realizing he already planned this bringing him to the river and giving him a final drink because he knew what he was about to do
First things first rip Victor. Secondly I don’t know if I feel bad for how the mom ends up after the decision she makes to hate her son for years and then use him for her own ambition instead of trying to correct the behavior, the only other option for her was his death. I also don’t feel bad for Sophia either, she has the nerve to talk about Oz killing his brothers when she killed her own family and then left her own niece to be an orphan in GOTHAM CITY. This is by far the sickest episode thus far especially how it ends with eve dressed up as his mom!
Killing Vic was the how the show brought the audience back to hating Oz instead of sympathizing with him. Throughout the show you get lost and for get that he is the Penguin and he is a ruthless monster with no rules and he only cares about himself. Beautifully done.
I really love the show and how it reinforced that Penguin is not at all a misunderstood character. He's a vile monster. The only thing I would say didn't work for me is the character of Dr Julian Rush played by Theo Rossi. I didn't feel like the character was ultimately terribly necessary and often felt like he was there for the sake of being there. Also I think this might be a me thing, but I personally was actually hoping that Sofia would actually die in the end. That's because I'm honestly extremely exhausted of the Falcone family constantly being adapted in Batman media as opposed to actual Batman characters. The Falcones were always in the comics just a generic crime family from the olden days of Gotham that were there to show Batman transition from fighting regular gangsters to actual supervillains and yet we keep revisiting them. To me they are just placeholders for the real villains.
how can you ask why did Oz kill Victor when he said his motive in the moment he was choking him...shows that you weren't paying attention in that moment
Eve is either definitely Clayface or a nod to Clayface. Her last name is Karlo (first iteration of Clayface is Basil Karlo) and she's always in costume/wigged up. Apartment full of costumes. I'm starting to think she was Oz's "Francis avatar" the entire time. He mentioned not liking seeing her out of costume in an earlier episode. He needed her close to him because she was the Francis he never truly got. Love the easter eggs. Separate easter egg is the owl imagery all over the courtroom when Oz is talking to the councilman in this episode 👀 they're coming
Victor was the embodiment in which we all accompany Oz in his Journey. In the end, he betrayed everyone, even the audience
THIS!!!^^^
yeah
Vic is US
Some** I for one didn’t believe him. He is a villain, not just because we know that but he has shown that. Anything he has done it’s been for himself. At the very start of the show it tells us how he plays, by using manipulation.
He managed to manipulate everyone at least once, he hasn’t done anything for the people besides coincidences.
Im genuinely not sure why anyone would’ve come to the conclusion along the way he was good enough to feel betrayed when he faces is better instincts.
Oz saw Gen Z slaughter their bosses and said not me
Exactly
This
Oz doesn't want to become a Zhao. He's four steps ahead, he's smoit like that.
😂 I'm mad I understood the smoit
Smoit 😂
If Oz betrayed his brothers and his mother, of course he’s going to betray Vic
Vic was loyal though
@@pamoweiberezi5315 for now. Oz wasn’t taking the risk.
The minute Vic said "family" Oz's face changed. That "fuck..." said it all, no family ties here.
I'm surprised they actually missed that
@@frazer4737 I'm not
@@frazer4737the writers are so damn good
RIP Victor…
I’m still mad about Vic not going to lie
@@bamba2046Every time Batman puts hands on Oz in Batman 2 I’m saying,”Justice for Vic!” Can’t wait. Need tickets to Batman 2 NOW!
Victor Aguilar. Victor Zsasz. Can it be?
I bet he's alive
@@BeinGabriel-bf2zmor maybe he is Victor Freeze ❄️ , or even Victor Stone 🤖!
I can imagine how hyped the audience is going to be now when Batman confronts the Penguin after this. This show is how you supplement the Films.
Oz literally said family is a vulnerability as he was killing Vic…he stated it outright.
Rip Vic. To lose your parents by the Riddler's terrorist attack to being taken out by the man you saw as family, what a terrible end for Vic. His loyalty was repaid in blood. Penguin reminded everybody watching that he's not the good guy. He's the bad guy. He's a villain. He saw Vic as a weakness that could be used to hurt him, after what happened with his mom he couldn't let it happen again
Considering how Vic lost his whole life because of a flood, the last shot of Vic (technically) being Penguin throwing his ID into the water is just chilling.
Finale was an absolute spectacle. Loved every minute of it.
Sophia burning the falcone mansion down was dragging a little bit tho😅
@@ThomasThomas2x3989everything was dragging and cringe, a fat retarded playing gangster with plot armor and lucky on his side, dumbest show ever, the fact is so highly rated is very worrying
RIP to the homie, Vic. I'm gonna be hyped if Batman part opens with Batman investigating Vic's murder...
It’s so realistic that Oz would never be willing to admit/face what he did.
He’d be in denial about it until his dying day even in the face of his mom saying she knew.
Yeah I think everyone is missing that this is also a part of why he kills Vic. Vic knew everything and it would have ruined penguins delusions to himself that his mom loved him and he wasn't responsible. Vic was not just a liability as leverage but also broke the illusions penguin held for himself.
Penguin just watched all the sidekicks take out their bosses. Maybe he was just eliminating that possibility
After everything Vic did to help build the empire, Oz didn't even give him the dignity of recognition after death. Instead he dies like just like another poor kid from Crown Point. Gut wrenchingly tragic.
Vic shoulda gone to cali and sophia should have gone to italy.
The old do not wrestle with monsters lest ye become a monster thing.
They let Oz turn them into bad people.
Ah they really made oz look like a good guy just to be reminded that he is a villain
batman has to beat penguin into a pulp
22:40 family is a liability was the whole point. they kinda made it obvious. He even said "fuck" after Vic called him family.
What a twisted and heartbreaking end to an incredible series. I hope Colin, Cristin, Rhenzy, and Deidre all get an Emmy some how.
24:32 they just showed you a montage of the right hands killing their leaders lol and Oz took that personally 😂
This is how you do a villain character study. You keep him a villain. This was amazing. He was a monster. A true Batman villaing through and through.
After what he did to Vic, I 100% get Sofia. This man gotta go.
The last scene was of vic sneakers that he bought from penguin money. It was so metaphorical 🎉
Not gonna lie, I knew Vic wasn't making it pass this season, mainly bc he was the only person that knew about his mother, but after learning about his brothers last week. I knew it was up for Vic smh
Vic had the chance to get out. He should have taken it
I believe Another big reason for Oz killing Vic is because he saw how strong he became among all the other right hand men of gangs and Vic was the one who convinced them to turn, so Vic got some power and that's bad for penguin
The Batsignal in the end gave me chills🙏
I would've freaked out if the last shot was a silhouette of Batman standing on the roof, or on a roof across from the tower. They wouldn't even need Battinson for that
let Reeves cook 🙏
This show is way better the batman movie, that batsignal means nothing for real😂😂
@@ThomasThomas2x3989 I'd does kid without The Batman penguin show wouldn't have been made☺️🙃
@@TheKnight886the movie is just cool cinematic shots at this point🤣🤣 That story is forgettable compared to the penguin, this story is way better.
He's been showing you the whole season what he really is. Where you been? "Some people are easy marks" -Francine
Rhenzy Feliz, the actor for Vic, is about to get so much fucking love from the internet lolol
James Gunn said that the reports of a Joker series were fake.
3 reasons vic died
1. He was a good person at wrong place at wrong time
2. As seen in last episode how the low rank people in the triads killed there heads and helped Penguin ! Same thing could have been future for penguin vs vic
3. Penguin doesn’t want any family now ! He is the devil
"I can fix her you guys." LOL
Oz speaks and Oedipus takes notes
What do you mean why? Oz himself explained why in his twisted mind, hes killing him be cause he can't afford to care for anyone. It actually makes sense, and it has been foreshadowed during the whole show
Penguin doesn't love his mother. She's just a possession to him because she's the only person he THINKS loves him and will say nice things. He's so gross. He literally went against her wishes and kept her as a vegetable.
22:01 Oh yeah thats right, this is an HBO show.
The penguin always either runs or becomes mayor in most big itirations of the character.
As Sofia pointed out Oz never truly loved his mother. He loved how she made him feel about himself.
Hence why he keeps her alive entombed in her own body because he can’t let go. The one thing she never wanted
2 reasons he killed Vic:
1) No more weakness - just like his mum
2) He needs to be 'clean' . Vic knows every dirty little secret minus his brothers
James Gunn already shut that rumor down about the Joker show
Feel like Pat is one of those people who believes everything he sees on social media. 😂
Let’s hope Batman beats the penguin into a pulp in the next movie
He isn’t ruthless he is a sociopath with mommy issues
"the most wholesome relationship" me knowing what happens a few minutes later
😬
I find it hilarious one of yall said Vic could be Oz's link and still don't know why Vic had to go link was super loyal to his boss too but maybe one day Vic would want to be boss and his love for Vic could blind him to the possibility he would betray him so take him out before it can happen and let no one get close enough to be able to betray him
Maybe Oz hires Mr. Freeze to keep his mom alive
I was thinking the same thing. Like he comes across Freeze, who is freezing Nora, so he tries to do the same with his mom.
JUSTICE FOR VIC
I love that oz doesn’t call Vic a kid when he’s strangling him, he changes it to your a good man Vic and that to me is great writing
On why Oz killed Vic:
I think an important factor motivating Oz, other than not wanting to have another liability besides his mom, was the fact that Vic would eventually become the deputy/underboss. Considering all the deputies killed their own bosses, maybe Oz was afraid of a future where he couldn't trust Vic's loyalty anymore.
Dude in the middle is perplexed as to why Oz deleted Vic from existence, they showed us him deleting his own brothers. Why would you be surprised by the fact he took out someone he barely even knows lol?
The sidekicks took out everybody
this episode gave me ptsd
In Batman Returns, Danny DeVito's Penguin isn't in "cahoots with the Mayor". He's literally running for Mayor. The line that she says to him at the end, "Oswald Cobb, man on of the people" will no doubt be the tagline for his Mayoral campaign.
Spidey is so on team "I can fix her" he's forgetting terrorist attacks. And I get it, I'm not even trying to fix her. I'm just ready for the ride wherever it goes. I may as wrll be Dr Rush
Sofia gives snowbunny vibes, ngl
“The most wholesome relationship.” 😳😬
Oz is a narcissist he seeks attention and instant gratification. He doesn't actually care about anyone's physical or mental wellbeing
While reading a bit about the finale, I was guided to something that Lauren LeFranc wrote in 2017 called Supermom about when she was around eight and a friend of hers died. It turned out that her friend's mother killed her and her younger sister. And for a quite a while, LeFranc was terrified that her own mother would kill her.
I cannot say if any of that directly influenced stuff in this show, but I cannot help but believe that it was at least indirectly influential.
There’s something in DC that can bring people back from the dead
Superboy Prime's reality-shattering punches, the Lazarus Pits, probably a dozen other things too.
The 60s Batman series has an episode called Hizzoner The Penguin where he runs for mayor of Gotham City too.
Rex, I don't think it's devotion, it's more like, he likes the sound of his mom praising him and be proud of him.
Francés should've put Oz in an institution as a kid. Vic's death has me in my feelings. He didn't have to die like a nobody. It's so cruel. Great show tho.
It was a great decision for the story and Oz as a villain to kill Vic. We're too used to redeemable qualities in modern villains and expecting something just and fair. Vic was a vulnerable kid that lost his family in a tragedy, recruited and used by Oz, but at the end of the day was given the chance to leave and chose to stay in the life and work for a man he knew was terrible because he gave him a chance to make easy money.
I can't believe you thought Oswald was going to die without even fighting batman in future.
Suraj "why did he kill vic, it makes no sense"
As oz literally says family is a weakness. He cared about vic like family, but family is a weakness someone can use against you, he almost lost because sofia used his mom against him, he didnt want someone to use vic against him, so he got rid of vic as a weakness
31:10 “Oz gave no indication that he would ever do this kind of thing to Vic …”
Who has Oz NOT betrayed on a profound level in this series???
I mean, that’s the thing with this show. Until the literal last minute, their relationship seemed so wholesome. The show really had you thinking Vic would be the exception, but looking back after it’s all finished, you realise there was no way he was making it out alive. It was always gonna end this way, but the show still had you hoping against hope.
In Batman Earth One universe Penguin is the mayor of Gotham and his rival was Thomas Wayne. In that world he was the reason the Wayne’s were killed just so he could well become mayor.
This episode was incredible. The whiplash from anger Sofia was getting sent back to Arkham, to sympathy at the hospital for his mum, to rage as he kills Vic. As soon as Vic said he was like family, the way Colin's eyes changed was chilling. And he explained why - family is a strength, but also a weakness and he can't have any more weaknesses. Poor poor Vic. Loved the Selina reference and that her theme from the film played as Sofia read the letter and the bat signal was a perfect end. Dear Batman, please kick the hell out of Penguin for Vic! Fantastic they didn't try and make the Penguin good, or an anti-hero; he's a villain. He's a monster and there's no pretending otherwise. Give this show all the awards! Oh and Matt Reeves has said the Joker series isn't true by the way (well, that's what he's saying at the moment). I'd love one of Commissioner Gordon, or Selina Kyle. Any more depth in to this world is good with me.
Penguin is a mayor in the Gotham show and in some comics
I feel like the reason Oz killed Vic was NOT because Vic cared for Oz, it was the other way around. Oz saw that he could care for Vic, and that was a weakness in his eyes
When that final shot of the cámara glazing through gotham , all i could think about was the Batman sígnal is coming and i was right… great ending to a great show.
The quality of the series is magnificent and contains tension, drama, grace, anxiety and anticipation in the tension with the climax of everything and the point. That Colin is the villain worthy of being, until we see the bat signal. It is without a doubt. The best thing DC has ever released.🔥🔥👏👏
It's rare that a show starts out with a main character & aims to make you despise them.
My take on why he killed Vic is that Vic cared about him, but had never seen all the worst stuff Oz had done-in a way, it's almost safer for Oz to kill Vic while Vic still loves him, before he has a chance to truly learn how vile Oz is and turn on him too like everyone else in his life.
I mean oz flat out tells us AND VIC “family makes you strong… but damn if it don’t make you WEAK” he just had the first instance of his family and someone he cared about being used against him, as fucked up as it is he saw Vic as family in some way and didn’t want to let someone use him against him🫠
@@kylebuonomo2557 Yeah, I should have clarified my take is on top of what he said. It's a weakness in that other people can use Vic against him, but it's also a weakness that Vic can break his heart by hating him
This show is everything the Disney+ shows never where
Bruce hit him with the vengeance combo
I took Ma having a stroke after stabbing Oz & seeing the boys as her finally being able to pass now that she’s done the “right thing”.
They’re willing to forgive because she finally honored them
he doesnt want anyone close to him now because he knows its a weakness now. he called himn family which makes him a liability now. it makes you hate him even more... which makes you love him as a villian even more. this damn show was a 10 out of 10 for sure. GOLD!!!!
After Colin Farrells interpretation of the Penguin, it will be hard for writers to not pull from this version. Amazing performance.
Penguin isn't an anti-hero, Vic was. Penguin killed that part of him that the audience liked, literally. Batman villains usually have tragic backstories, but very few of them do you actually sympathize with when it comes to their motives. This is a perfect ending to this show.
Dark shit. Best finale I've seen in years. Jaw on the floor in horror. Bring on THE BATMAN PART II
When Vic called Oz "family", Oz realized that he cared about him. After everything Oz went through with his mom and realizing how much all the shit with her set him back, he just decided to kill Vic then and there, so he could never be used against him (willingly or not). He has no personal weaknesses after getting rid of him.
Poor Vic 😢
He considered Oz family and because this will always be a weakness used against Oz, he had to die.
What a finale
Feels like we gotta an Arkham city version of the penguin at the end of the show 💯
And that’s why I’m gonna play Arkham city again just so I can beat the shit out of the penguin
@@slaya8065 Fr same
I took it that Penguin killed Vic because Sofia made him hurt through his mother. When Victor said he was family, Penguin realized that it was true and he built a genuine attachment to Vic. And he couldn't risk having that weakness for someone like Sofia to exploit again.
The heartbreaking thing about Vic is he died a nobody; acholol in his system, no wallet and no ID. Probably regarded by police as a homeless John Doe who died tragically young. Penguin did that to him as Vic begged for his life. He sent Sofia to hell (Arkham) and he kept his mother alive in a vegetative prison, knowing she hates him and that she wanted to die.
I can't wait for Penguin to get his nose caved in by Batman. Batman 2 is gonna be so good.
At first I thought Oz decided to kill Vic in a spur of the moment thing when Vic called him family, but after watching it again and realizing he already planned this bringing him to the river and giving him a final drink because he knew what he was about to do
First things first rip Victor. Secondly I don’t know if I feel bad for how the mom ends up after the decision she makes to hate her son for years and then use him for her own ambition instead of trying to correct the behavior, the only other option for her was his death. I also don’t feel bad for Sophia either, she has the nerve to talk about Oz killing his brothers when she killed her own family and then left her own niece to be an orphan in GOTHAM CITY. This is by far the sickest episode thus far especially how it ends with eve dressed up as his mom!
Killing Vic was the how the show brought the audience back to hating Oz instead of sympathizing with him. Throughout the show you get lost and for get that he is the Penguin and he is a ruthless monster with no rules and he only cares about himself. Beautifully done.
Straight gin and olives. She is a boss
I really love the show and how it reinforced that Penguin is not at all a misunderstood character. He's a vile monster. The only thing I would say didn't work for me is the character of Dr Julian Rush played by Theo Rossi. I didn't feel like the character was ultimately terribly necessary and often felt like he was there for the sake of being there. Also I think this might be a me thing, but I personally was actually hoping that Sofia would actually die in the end. That's because I'm honestly extremely exhausted of the Falcone family constantly being adapted in Batman media as opposed to actual Batman characters. The Falcones were always in the comics just a generic crime family from the olden days of Gotham that were there to show Batman transition from fighting regular gangsters to actual supervillains and yet we keep revisiting them. To me they are just placeholders for the real villains.
So that’s why Oz is called The Penguin, because he’s… so cold lol
Why are y'all surprised? He's literally a villain😂
No wonder this dude thought maybe the demons in frieren could be redeemed. Doesn't believe oz could do that to vic xD
how can you ask why did Oz kill Victor when he said his motive in the moment he was choking him...shows that you weren't paying attention in that moment
The finale makes oz go from criminal killer to a insane batman villain
This TV series was so good and it absolutely wrecked me. This is my pick for the best show of 2024 hands-down
Colin Farrell really made you think penguin was a good guy… what a damn performance… that last scene was heartbreaking and fantastic at the same time
Eve is either definitely Clayface or a nod to Clayface. Her last name is Karlo (first iteration of Clayface is Basil Karlo) and she's always in costume/wigged up. Apartment full of costumes. I'm starting to think she was Oz's "Francis avatar" the entire time. He mentioned not liking seeing her out of costume in an earlier episode. He needed her close to him because she was the Francis he never truly got. Love the easter eggs. Separate easter egg is the owl imagery all over the courtroom when Oz is talking to the councilman in this episode 👀 they're coming
21:50 sums up my exact reaction, this show is written sooooooo well.
Perfect ending to this series
Those facial expressions at 21:50 are priceless. That was my reaction too 😭