What are Psychogenic Movement Disorders? | Kati Morton
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- They believe that psychogenic movements can occur as a result of conversion disorder, or they could develop as part of somatoform disorders. These are mental illnesses that cause us a lot of pain, and discomfort but there is no medical or neurological issue that can explain why they feel what they feel. Also, know that people who struggle with these are not making their symptoms up or causing it themselves, it’s just a mental illness that shows itself primarily through physical symptoms. They also say these movements could be developed through us having factitious disorder, which is when we act like we have a mental or physical disorder when we really do not. We do this so that we can get attention and/or sympathy. And finally they have linked these movements to malingering (which is not a mental illness but instead it’s when people fake being sick or ill in order to get time off of work, get money for benefits, etc).
Psychogenic movements are different from other movement disorders (like tremors or parkinson's) in that they come on quickly, can rapidly increase, and then stop for periods of time to either not come back or come back at seemingly random times. So what I really got out of learning what these psychogenic movements are is that they aren’t movements we initiate, they can come and go, and they could be part of another mental illness, but they definitely aren’t due to a medical condition.
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Suffered with this problem. Discouraging. Completely involuntary and aggravating. Thank you for describing because I don't know if there is much awareness of it.
Absolutely! I have to "hide" when I get panic attacks because they look like seizure and I can't afford more ambulance rides.
@@Ueruchan same here. I have seizures every day from conversion disorder
I have pnes.. ihate it.icant able to work because of my conditions ..seizure its hurts so bad😭
I was told I have Functional tremor - Is that the same as FND?
R U better?
I never heard of this. I have ocd with tics. I've done lots of testing for tics and MRI and blood work came back normal. It doesn't fit the criteria exactly for Tourettes. Also, when someone distracts me it gets better but when I'm zoning out I tic like crazy. This is very interesting. Thank you, Kati 💜
I hadn't either!!! I wondered how or if it could apply to you.. and I thought it was great to know that it can go away!! xoxo
i was just going to say this! i have had tics for a long time, and the amount of tics increase as time goes by, i got an MRI done, etc and it came out fine too so its not due to tourettes but its my first time hearing about this, what i dont know is how they differentiate them from tics
Functional Myoclonus
There's no real test for Tourette's; you cannot "see it" in an MRI scanner. Somebody gets diagnosed with Tourette's if they display both verbal and motor tics. OCD is very common in people with Tourette's.
That’s right Tourette’s isn’t seen with an MRI.. Tourette’s is simply if you have tics in more than 2? muscle groups constantly and verbal tics (could be more than 2/3 muscle groups can’t remember BUT, it’s NOT diagnosed by an MRI so please double check how many muscle groups and if you have verbal tics that even include sniffing and clearing your throat often for no real reason) then you do have Tourette’s).
I suffered from a conversion disorder - Psychogenic Non-Epileptic Seizures - back in 2014 and 2015. It was brought on by several traumatic events that occurred in a row. I didn’t realize that it was somatic until I came across the term PNES several years later, after the symptoms had stopped and I had given up on my neurologist. I could’ve sworn it was epilepsy. Scary stuff.
I’m happy to answer any questions. I’ve done a lot of research on the topic.
Great video, Kati.
I was diagnosed with PNES around the same time. Currently I'm diagnosed with panic disorder. Agoraphobia got bad while going through PNES. It's been difficult to understand because I had one doctor say to me about PNES that "it's all basically anxiety" (which felt really invalidating after all I'd been through) and seemed to conflict what the doctors at the hospital said who made it sound like a more complicated issue.
Anyway, after diagnosis it lessened and now I rarely have seizures anymore. But I struggle with a lot of somatic symptoms, tics, sometimes neurological (like numbness), but without any explanation. I guess I'm just wondering if it's still "all basically anxiety", what the difference is between a PNES and a panic attack (because they feel different for me but maybe they're the same thing...I just don't know anymore) and what your thoughts are on this as someone who's been through similar?
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libbycatherine It’s my understanding that PNES is not the same as an anxiety disorder, but that anxiety/stress can be overwhelming enough to cause the disorder. It’s also linked to PTSD/trauma in many cases, including mine.
Thank you so so much for offering!!! I am new to learning about this and obviously it's not my specialty.. so thank you for being a resource!! xoxox
I also have had these! It was so severe (multiple seizures a day for nearly two months) I had to go on medical leave from college. The worst part was the ER staff didn't know much about psychogenic seizures and so, because they couldn't find any organic cause, they decided I was faking the episodes. They ended up sending me to a psychiatric hospital because they thought I was literally crazy. Fortunately my inpatient care team was more trauma informed!
Kati, I really appreciate you taking the time to educate yourself (and others) on topics you're unfamiliar with. It shows a lot of genuine compassion and desire to help people. Truly admirable qualities.
K Brooks I had a bad experience with a doctor too - my neurologist thought I was faking my seizures and blew me off after we found the medication wasn’t working. I ended up taking several incompletes for a semester because I couldn’t finish my classes. I was also having two to three psychogenic seizures a day. It wasn’t until recently that I found a doctor who has heard of PNES.
I was told my weird movements were psychogenic for ages, but it turns out I have autoimmune encephalitis, which doesn't always show up on MRIs, etc. So...what appears to be a psychogenic disorder isn't always.
How do they diagnose one auto immune issues? What test did they do
This might be my situation. Thank you for this comment.
you're welcome. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have @@kresivarivkah612
Exactly
not OP but it was probably a lumbar puncture @@GeraltOfRivia99
Thank you for validating what I’ve been calling my “anxious tic.”
I have a movement disorder. The doctors were determined that it was psychogenic and kept telling me if I go to therapy I will be cured, and were very rude about it too. I knew something else was wrong just as a lot of people do when they are diagnosed with this disorder. Yes, it can be caused by trauma. However, I am seeing a therapist and she confirmed that there is no way mine is from my mental state. We have found my largest trigger to be my sensory processing disorder which I was born with. And we are now finding that I am a perfect example of a vagus nerve dysfunction which can cause seizure like convulsions. People need to be aware that when you are told that you have this, it doesn’t always mean it stems from trauma. Please if you can feel something is wrong with your body, there probably is. You know your body better than anyone else. I was yelled at by an epilepsy specialist and told if I just accept it, it will go away. Turns out that is not even remotely true. I am starting to meet more and more people that aren’t being “cured” with this and I want people to be aware of the misdiagnosis that happens too much with this disorder. If you do have this and therapy has help, I am so happy you have gotten relief because movement disorders are no joke.
5:00 Your hypothesis about this kind of tic relating to PTSD or Complex PTSD hits quite close to home. I have had tics, jerks, and spasms in hand with PTSD flashbacks, and never had any explanation for it. I tried telling a therapist about it once only for her to tell me I was making it up. So this is very validating :)
Interesting. I've been having a ton of spasms I assumed were related to nerve problems from issues with my neck. I wonder if stellate ganglion block could fix this?
I have Functional Neurological Disorder (AKA Conversion Disorder) caused by excessive prolonged stress at University (around a 9 on the stress scale, meaning I was constantly in a state of fight or flight whilst at university and doing university work) coupled with my Anxiety, Depression and suspected high functioning ASD. I presented to the emergency room with gait disturbance, partial paralysis (that came and went suddenly), blindness, tremors (vocal and physical) and myoclonus. Had CAT scan and MRI done and spent 4 days in the hospital. I was seen by many doctors and med students and had a diagnosis on day 4. I have spent a year recovering and still cannot drive, but I am finally healthy enough to rejoin the workforce when someone hires me. XD
Thank you for the video. Much appreciated.
EmmaBGames I have FND too! But mine was caused by a few severe sports injuries that have now left my right leg a complete mess and no longer functioning. I still don't understand how this happened and why my body reacted this way and all the physiotherapy I've had hasn't helped at all, nor has regular therapy. It's good to hear that someone else has this too!
I am interested to know whether you had an infection, or were exposed to neurotoxins, like Round-up herbiside, or had a tick or spider bite, that predated this? A virus like Mono (Epstein Barr Virus/ Glandular Fever)? Have you ever had a SPECT scan? You might be interested in Dr Daniel Amen's work. Have you ever been tested for ME/CFS or MS or Parkinson's?
That must have been a terrifying experience for you. So sorry that happened to you xo
@@jo-annahicks3324 No to all of the above and was asked about all of the above in the hospital as well. I do know about Dr Amen.
I have problems with my hormones which is genetic. When my body produces a hormone (like serotonin or cortisol or adrenaline etc.) it produces too much of every hormone. I am currently on hormone treatments since hospitalisation and have improved.
It is funny how all of my life I have been told I overreact to things and now I know the reason why. Has never been my fault.
Thank you for your concern and kind words! ^-^
@- Charyn - It is labelled the same disorder in Australia.
I was told I have Functional tremor - Is that the same as FND?
I was diagnosed with a conversion disorder when I was a teenager. Thank you for being so empathetic to those of us with these issues. It was a really scary time. I didn't know why I was hitting myself or squeaking and I think they were really concerned it was something big. I spent time in the hospital. I had bloodwork done, an MRI, so many tests. And then the neurologist who diagnosed me was very dismissive, like I'd wasted everyone's time or something. It's been 18 years and things are better, but I know that my anxiety is really bad when my right hand goes rigid and quivering and then I hit myself in the forehead. As much as it hurts to do that, it's a relief because I can then move my hand again. Last year, after white knuckling through life, I finally got on anti-depressants and they've really helped.
Finally I have a name for my stress jerking.
Lauri Snipes sameee
Yes, me too.
And my body twitches...
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Hi Kati. I had never heard of this disorder until today. I suffer from anxiety and I have a tremor that comes and goes with varying levels of stress. Interesting topic that you have chosen to cover. Thank you for your time in researching and presenting this topic Kati. I really appreciate your efforts!
I hadn't heard of it either.. so it was interesting to learn about. I am glad you found it helpful and educational :) xoxo
Temporary tremors can come on from adrenaline surges, as well
Thank you so much for making this video. I’ve been waiting for someone to make a video about this. I’ve been on a long health journey, i had to medically withdrawal from school. My doctors are trying to figure it out and if the next round of tests come back normal, we can say my symptoms are psychogenic. It’s hard to accept that it’s even still an option. It was really comforting and validating to hear you speak about it. Thank you for making me feel not so alone. Thank you for all you do!❤️
I have these full body twitches whenever i get anxious and one time i was at my friends house and i got one and fell of the chair😂
Katie Jo I have those too, except it usually mainly happens In bed. You are not the only one :)
Me too, What and my movements look abnormal for some seconds🤧. What's name of the disease did u know?
This is probably anxiety induced tics
bruh at work my muscles b goin crazy🕺🏾🤛🏾🤏🏾💃🏾🖖🏾🧍🏾♀️
@@emrose333 this happens to me too. In bed and when I am stressed or sad.
I’m taking my first psychology class this year, and it’s so exciting when i hear you mention a term or concept i learned before and genuinely understand what it means. I’ve never heard of PMD, but i’ve studied conversion disorder. Obviously i’m no professional but i’m very interested in psychology. Thank you for continuing to teach and raise awareness about mental health 💜
I'm an occupational therapist. I treated a boy's psychogenic paralysis, he was in a wheelchair, not able to walk at all and had to regain actual motor skills. since I met his family it made sense to me ...how the atiology might have happened... anyhow, it was one of the most interesting and pleasing experiences in my life so far. I heard, he's playing basketball right now
I have full body jerks and movements that make it hard to walk sometimes, or even stand up. Its exhausting and I'm so tired of it. Its not constant but on a bad day it can be. Thanks for posting this, I know it was years ago but I've been trying to work out what's going on for ages and this is the first video that makes sense to me.
Thank you so much for this video, Kati! My left eye twitches a lot, to the point where people constantly point it out to me. I have noticed in the past that it’s definitely a lot worse whenever I feel especially anxious and/or depressed, but so far I’ve never really questioned it or realized that it’s an actual thing that can be treated. It is also more bothersome than painful, so I’ve never really searched for help, writing it off as something random and insignificant. Thanks for putting so much effort and research into your videos. I hope you realize they help a lot of people, even if it’s just with something as small as a twitching eye or finally finding the courage to seek out help.
Charlotte this is happening to a friend of mine. Her doctor put it down to the lithium based bipolar medication she's on. .(tics or TD) She's super keen for her neurology appointment at the end of June, for a clearer diagnosis and understanding. I feel Mortified for her, because this medication has agreed with her and kept her stable for well over 30 years..
Something like this can be so confronting and rips the security blanket straight out from under a person..
Kati😍😍 this video is perfect! I have PNES and I've had it since I was in elementary school. I'm 20 now and despite the fact that I have this (I rarely have them now though!) I graduated high school, was captain of the cheer team, and I'm in college getting my BA in psych!
For anyone suffering with a disorder like this, know that it gets so much better.. after I decided to judge how well I was doing based on factors outside of how many seizures I had a day, a weight was lifted off my shoulders. It's still there and it's been over 10 years, but I'm so happy and every day I do things I never thought I would be able to (cheer stunts, 5k's)
You are so inspiring. This is what I needed. Thank you, and you are amazing.
I met a young girl at the SSA waiting for her appointment. She looked very fatigued like she hadn’t slept in a very long while and was about to pass out but her body kept making involuntary movements constantly never giving her one moment of rest. She sat next to me and I asked her if she was sleepy because she was about to nod out on my shoulder. She talked very well so I knew it wasn’t some mental condition or drugs and alcohol. Later after our appointments I asked her if it would be alright if I prayed for her. She wanted that and even asked others on the sidewalk to join in the prayer. But then her ride showed up and she had to leave. The young lady was tormented by something that wasn’t giving her a moment’s rest, I knew what that felt like before Yeshua healed me of acute Trigeminal Neuralgia.
Thanks for your video explaining a possibility of what this was.
Your videos help me a lot. I have a hard time dealing with my issues alone. Knowing that you understand and therefore some others must as well was the first step in me getting out of the house.
I'm now a full time psychology major (online), i still deal with depression and anxiety but it gave me the courage to get out and talk to people. I left my house behind and am now hiking the C&O Canal. I enjoy meaningful conversations with others almost every day. (Something i thought impossible) It all started with you, thank you for giving me the courage to confront my afflictions. Keep up the good work.
Thank you for this video. I have been waiting for it for a long time. 💜
I have psychogenic non-epileptic seizures several times a day and I am going to share this with a group I've been going to.
Hi Kati, I really wanted to say thank you for being an amazing resource for me. Of course, you aren't the only person out there, but you have helped me immensely. I'm a freshman in college, but in 5th grade, I had a very traumatic brain injury. It caused short-term memory loss, and shortly after, transient tic disorder. School has exasperated them even more, but it's okay haha! You are part of the reason I'm planning on getting my masters either as an MFT, an adolescent therapist, or working in a psych ward. You make me feel as though I'm not alone.
With much love,
Matthew
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Never heard of this, but love that little hypothesis you had. I have gotten so much information from you that has helped me to know how to deal with my complex ptsd and various other disorders. I'm finally getting treatment and addressing issues I didn't want to realize I have. I had a tremor go through my body when you were talking about the Psychogenic Myoclonus, honestly I really think you are right about that. Really related to this and now have a new term to look into and better understand my illnesses and find the correct treatments for myself. What you're doing is amazing and so helpful. Some of my trauma is related to doctors and treatments so is been a long hard journey but thanks to you and the power of research and sheer will, now have some tools and terms so I have hope that perhaps there is a way to get better.
Thank you for this video, my mom just started having this just as she was admitted to the hospital (it wasnt even the main reason she was admitted but now its the issue that worries us the most!). Its making a lot of sense, I hope we are able to treat it successfully
I love your videos kati. I watch them between my sessions with my therapist and they really help. Thankyou
Awe I am so glad!!! Yay!! xoxo
Love your videos Kati! How are you not at 1 million subscribers yet?!! Soon I’m sure! :) keep up the good work!
Thank you so much for talking about this! I live with conversation disorder and have all of these pmd types sadly and it's no fun I've lived with it for 7 years and I have found through my therapist that it was triggered by my trauma from my childhood seizures and now any type of significant stress like my cat dying yesterday made one start and I have found that hot yoga and therapy with my LCSW helps me so much. I also had my anxiety disorders start before along with my depression. In Kansas there's not much knowledge on this sadly. So that makes it really hard to live with but I do hot yoga everyday and that has significantly decreased my anxiety and pain. - much love from Sammy!
Hey hi! So glad to read your problems actually reduced... But can you please tell me what is hot yoga? As I do face with lot of anxiety n shivering issues... Thank you in advance 🙏
Thank you Kati for creating this wonderful video and giving me some tools to use. This is a great topic to talk about.
Very informative, thank you very much! Keep up the great videos! Stay safe & all the best from Canada 🇨🇦
This is the video I was told to watch to understand my psychogenic tremors. Thank you ❤
Thank you for this video. It gave some validation to what I have been experiencing for years. I believe I have a psychogenic movement disorder in the form of head jerks. This has led to secondary behaviors that have caused my body a lot of distress in the attempt to avoid the involuntary movement. It came on suddenly and lasted a couple of years. After going to a doctor about it, the 'condition' mysteriously disappeared and then came back with the single thought of remembering that I used to have it. Just recently, I have realized that the term psychogenic disorder, which I have studied about in other contexts, could indeed apply to me. This video made me believe this even more firmly. I hope to get a 'team' that can help me through this, and it is helpful to know the right care can help.
As someone with FND/Conversion, thank you. Alot of doctors think it's in your head because of the physical tests coming back fine. And most people think "oh that's so me lol! me too!". It's debilitating, and not just a little panic attack. It needed this recognition. Thank you again.
I used to think I was alone and I’ve never talked about this with anyone at all until, for some reason, I commented here. Anytime I think about something that gives me stress or anxiety, I literally go into a fetal position and can’t stop shaking for a few minutes but it’s only specific things like health concerns or something serious. I definitely need to dive into more research about this. Thank you uploading this video.
Some anxiety attacks or panic attacks, agoraphobia's will cause you tremor all over, and even cause sudden bowl movements. You even can feel colder, shake, and adrenaline rush all at the same time, its a flight or fight reaction I believe. Had this for over 20 years now. A high dose of caffeine can even cause similar stuff, just my experience.
I too have the similar disorder
O wow me to some times with in 15 minutes of thinking of something that bothers me I start shaking uncontrollable from my legs to my face I get blurry vision and really hot and chills not all in the same order it's nice to see I'm not alone ❤ I have been diagnosed with anxiety had started wellbutrin a month ago. Hope someone sees this and it helps them like your comment helped good luck to everyone reading this stay strong ❤
Sometimes I feel like I have a vibration inside me. Then I can along jerk and things fly out of my hand. Then I can go into a uncomfortable full body movement.
I Was waiting for your video . 🌸💕 really appreciate your hard work 💓💓💓kati . Thank you for this video 💖 . 🌸
You are so welcome!! I hope it was helpful!! xoxo
This is an AWESOME video!! I have such a strong background in Psychology (both education & personal) that it’s rare I get the excitement and thrill of learning something completely new to me. Thank you for the intellectual stimulation this morning!!!!! ❤️❤️❤️
Any time!!! xoxo
Thanks alot . 🇮🇶 your video is so informative and helpful
Always love learning from u😍best part of my day
I found this very helpful thankyou, iv had this for a few years and never could explain it, i think i have always been on the spectrum and have ptsd but knew it stems further than most. I get tics and strange moments that are unexplainable and uncontrollable, i'v spoken to many doctors who don't have a clue what im saying. This has so far given me more understanding and hope to get better than i'v ever had so far
I have actually never heard of this! Love to learn new mental health things
Love this video. Very helpful. Thanks
Whoa, I’ve never heard what I experience explained like this!! Thank you!
I've never heard about it, so thanks for the video! xoxo♥
Thank you for this video. My daughter started having some severe involuntary movements upon hospitalization and tonight I thought she was having a seizure. We are still in the process of making sure there isn’t a medical cause but I feel like I can sleep tonight now that I know PMD is probably what she’s experiencing.
I'm in grad school for mental health counseling, with a focus in Dance/Movement Therapy (DMT). I think that DMT can also be really helpful in treating PMDs, because we focus a lot on the mind/body connection and expressing/understanding emotion through movement expression. For a person with a PMD, movement may become a big source of anxiety-- a DMT may be able to address this anxiety and potentially work on changing the relationship between the client and their involuntary movements.
Yes. I agree. This is why CBT does not work for some people. The mind has to disconnect from the body in order to do it and it is thinking about it'self! Dance therapy or movement therapy can really help people to connect the mind and body together but the focus is actually out of the self and in the moment.
I've never heard of this before, so yay for new information. I've noticed that when I'm in social situation for too long without a break, having to talk to somebody or talking in front of a group of people (I was a tour guide for three years), there comes this moment where my neck stiffens up more and more, making it hard to move my head from side to side. After that there's this sudden movement where my head just snaps to the right side.
It's so embarrassing, I hate it when that happens, I've become so self conscious because of it. I didn't know that such "ticks" were a "thing".
I'm happy that i found your comment here, as i share the same tic. I just became aware one week ago and just today i started to search about it. I am so amazed by this video and your comment as well, as i also didn't know it was a "thing". Initially i have thought i just slept bad with my neck somehow and during the day i just stretch my head uncouciously on that area, until i realised my uncontrollabe somehow movements worsen it.. Now i feel my neck tense and hope to get rid of it soon. I remember having several other tics before in my life... and it's true they didn't stay for long, and it eventually came back returned to another form. Pfff shall i really see someone?
I love your videos! Your a big a inspiration for an aspiring therapist/psychologist
Awe yay!! xoxox
I have muscle tics. I've had them for years. I had one of my doctors actually suggest this... But the others believe it's actually fallout from my neuropathy for not geting treated for over 15 years. So if you have tics and spasms and such talk to your doctor. Don't let it go it may be something really important.
Thanks very much you just explain everything I needed to know
I found this really interesting. I have psychogenic non-epileptic seizures. Interesting to learn more about this similar set of challenges people face.
It's definitely a challenge in my life and a real issue that affects my life.
Are pbsycogenic seizures the same as a normal one?
I had shivers today I will never forget.
Thank for this. I just started having involuntary, movements in my hand and it now has began in the left hand too. I've had an MRI and X-ray which both came out fine, yet the movements have started back again. This may explain it. So thank you for this insight.
I have schizophrenia and was taking anti-psychotics and I developed facial tics, shoulder shrugs, and my fingers tap and move involuntary. It's crazy how anti-psychotics can induce parkinson's disease.
I took sertraline and ended up with involuntary movements. I have come across many who have developed these problems on medication & when withdrawing. Akathasia is more often than not misdiagnosed as psychogenic or FND. DIMD ..... Drug induced movement disorders are not psychogenic, but often diagnosed as such. Do you still have the involuntary movements? Best wishes.
I know people who have been diagnosed with this but who actually had a tick-borne infection in their brain. Lots of people with this diagnosis also get a factitious disorder/munchausen syndrome diagnosis when what they really needed was a doctor that was good at their job and antibiotics.
Hi kati,
What would a school counselor do when a student comes to them while they are having a panic attack?
Noor Channel I Wonder this too!
As a person who suffered from panic attacks in high school, I would say this: 1) give them a place to be away from other students for a few minutes 2) get them water 3) try to make conversation that’s not about the panic. If you keep talking about it, it could continue or feel worse.
As for what to do after, I have no idea. But hopefully this helps
They would probably work to calm you down, help you breathe, and give you a safe place to do all of this until you are ready to go back to class or go home. xoxo
Sometimes the counsellor is fully booked up and will be unable to see you, but going to a school nurse is always a good move too. They can give you a place to stay and a chat if u want or to be left alone. I dont suffer with panic attacks but this is what i do in emergencies/before emergencies
I also suffer from random panic attacks. To piggyback off of Emilee Hoerl's comment I would just add that it is important NOT to say the words 'calm down'. That can be very frustrating and usually just makes things worse. Instead encourage the afflicted person by telling them that they are ok, they are safe and that you will be near by if they need to talk. Offer tissues (there might be tears). Then just let them be for 30-60min. Visual/auditory distractions are also very helpful. If you can make them laugh, great! (My service dog is very good at this.) Eventually though- they will need to talk about the panic attack; analyze it. Was there a reason for it? (mine don't always have one) if not, getting them grounded, focused on the here and now and their next task is key.
I am surprised I've never heard about this condition but it makes me think I know a few people that have it very interesting thank you for all the education I absolutely love psychology you're a good teacher
Never heard of this. Always love any new information, thanks Kati! Would love if you could do a video sometime on having a parent on the autism spectrum :) xx
I am glad you enjoying learning along with me :) I can definitely add that to my list!! xoxo
Kati Morton you should do “Are school therapists/counselors helpful?”
Hi Kati , thanks for the video , I learned something new today !! I never heard of that !! Take care , I hope you and Sean have a GR8 Easter weekend , take care , Gary
Thank you you make my day kati 😀
I constantly went to hospital for severe abdominal pain as a kid and they could never find anything. Looking back now, I think I had a somataform disorder. No one asked any questions about my mental health. I mean, if they had asked me, I would have told them about the bullying, sexual abuse, and parentifying I experienced as a young carer of parents with disabilities... ERs and GPs need to be better at identifying Mental Health issues in kids presenting with unexplained health issues.
Thank you for this video...needed it
You're not alone. Me too.
Always great to learn something new from you Kati 😊❤
Awe yay!! xoxo
I have a Conversion Disorder, I go blind at random times in my life. The blindness lasts different times, sometimes vision is gone for a few days or longest was four months. Conversion Disorder can be really scary.
@Jarah I have not found anything that helps me more than making sure I am keeping track of stress. I have Dissociative Identity Disorder. So for me having a Conversion Disorder and DID it is super important to stress manage and to do the same for anxiety. High levels of either can trigger a Conversion Disorder episode. For me I have learned this.
I so wish all psychologists did the research you do, i call my movements tics, everytime i mention them i say tics, but nobody ever diagnosed me, not even the psychiatrist, i was even told by my last psychologist that she doubted i have any form of tic or movement or anything cause she couldnt see my tics during sessions, until one day i started to tic before a session and kept moving my neck during the whole session, she clearly didnt know what to say about it, people really do think one is making things up when they cant really see the movements or symptoms, and they dont get it when you tell them you cant control when they come ago and that they can dissapear completely for weeks, even months and then come back out of nowhere. Mine come and go, and it doesnt depend on my anxiety level, i could be completely fine and 3 tics show up at the same time and i cant control them at all
Thx for this! I have the tremors and the twitches, and I was confused about why u had them.
Hi Kati! (: First off, thank you for your videos. They are so helpful and enjoyable. This video, I clicked on out of sheer curiosity and to learn. As I watched this one, it reminded me that when I feel guilty or embarrassed of something I've said or done in the past, I unintentionally begin to randomly hum, make noises, or scratch myself (not harmfully). I think this is similar to PMD's. I know this is an older video, and you might not see this, but what do you think? Thank you so much. - Taylor
Hi Kati, I found this so interesting and I've never heard of it before, I also love all your videos, they help me a lot when I don't know what to do. This past year I've been through a lot and it has just gotten worse, I think I could have BPD for many reasons, it explains so much and I've also seen most of your videos about this disorder, idk but I'm already looking for professional help. Now, my questions are: I used to think that I was a highly sensitive person (or HSP) but, do you know what it is or heard of it? is that a real thing? is it a diagnosis? Now that I know about BPD I think they're similar in some way, if hsp is a thing, am I wrong thinking they're simila? I'm sorry this omment is too long
Yep. Good video. A month ago I had to stop Mirtazapine cold turkey. I felt compelled to take extra doses and tried reducing off them many times without success. After the acute withdrawal which lasted 2 weeks, there was a rebound depression which has been going on for about a further 3 weeks. Feeling like I had the flu, crying, insomnia, no appetite and psychogenic tremors. Today is the first day I have felt better. Tremor has ceased.
Thanks so much
Temporary tremors, can be caused by adrenaline surges, as well
Oh my goodness, I was so terrified when this started happening last November. It came out of nowhere and left just as soon but my whole body started twitching and I went to hospital to be said it was a panic attack. Then in June it happened again and happened almost every day before my exams. I figured out it was stress related and now I can tell when I feel 'twitchy but episodes could last like 2 hours
I have a psychogenic tremor
And did you find a treatment please ?
I experienced this very frequently and I used to have jerky movements all the time through the day and night (even in my sleep)! These were not painful but sometimes made me conscious that people might notice because it would send a jerk through my whole body! Thankfully during my recovery this has rapidly decreased and it's only very now and again i experience this!
Tasha, would you mind sharing what recovery looked like for you?
Recovery is definitely possible. I was in a bad car crash over 3 years ago that left me unable to move my head back. This progressed into full blown dystonia which caused my body to curl up til I couldn’t breath. It caused so much pain it was unreal but using music I’ve been able to teach my mind how to talk to my neck again. It took months just to calm the nerves down, 6 before I saw any improvement in mobility but now that it’s starting its coming back fast. Yesterday I was able to reprogram my sense of up and down, left and right and got smooth movements instead of jerky ones. Getting out of bed was different today my body’s knew how to stand upright! Ive been told a few times I’ll never recover but instead I plan to learn to dance!!!🎉
Natural spontaneous and easy,, brilliant!!
Question: Does a spasm (i.e. muscle twitching) encompass this to? They don't hurt but can cause annoyance especially if it's the eye or tongue.
I have dissociative identity disorder and what’s helped me deal with PMD the most is getting to know my alters. Different alters have different movement issues. Their symptoms have lessened as they have started to heal by speaking with our therapist.
I've noticed that when I'm incredibly stressed and feel overwhelmed, my body experiences internal vibrations in my hands and legs. Not sure if it's a form of some sort of panic or anxiety attack.
Chrissy XG me too. Whenever i get anxious there are vibrations around my legs
Do they go away if you drink alcohol?
I understand
Hey katy. I love your videos. I honestly love going your videos as your videos help me to reorient my mental health. I wanted you to know your videos help me so much. I feel like I'm drowning but when I listen to your videos I feel like I can hear so many relative symptoms. I feel like this is so much me. I often pick out my hair or when someone touches my neck or stomach I want to scream or hurt the person who is doing this even if it is my boyfriend who I trust and love. Would you please do another video on complex ptsd. I lived with the person who abused me before the age of 7 but l lived with them until I was 19. I am really having issues with the ideas of trauma. My sister only reveled to me that this happened when I was 21. I am falling back into depression because I did not know this happened. Could you please talk more about flashbaks, cpsd or self sabotage in one of your next videos please. I love all of your videos so far because they help me feel as though I am not alone. Thank you so much for putting your videos on RUclips for everyone to access and see. All the love is sent to your channel because it helps so many people out there feel like they are not alone. ❤🙏🙏❤❤
I haven’t heard if this. But it got my attention. In 1996 I started having seizure like episodes. The medical doctors found nothing ‘organic’ causing these. I was so fortunate to have an excellent doctor. He did many tests and was very thorough. He finally told me that these episodes were psychological. Many other odd symptoms started showing and I was unable to even care for myself for several months.I was hospitalized and diagnosed with depression, PTSD and later DID. My neurologist is great. He refers to my episodes as non-epileptic seizures rather than pseudo seizures. In other words, he’s validated what’s happening with me isn’t ‘fake.’ I have learned s lot in therapy and now take a very low dose of medication for these and rarely have a seizure. But. . . I wonder if what you share here is connected to what I’m experiencing. It’s so hard to explain to people what I go through. Sometimes my muscles tense. Other times I twitch. The worst ones are the ones when I hit the floor and don’t remember most of what happens. The strange thing is I do remember what happens often and there’s a correlation to this experience of nervous system ‘overload’ and flashbacks. Sometimes I am fighting for my life. It’s quite nuts bc it’s like I’m fighting an imaginary attacker. Am I right to think what you’re sharing here is what I’m experiencing? If not, I’d be interested in your thoughts. Thanks!
Hi Kati, in the past couple of years I've been experiencing a shaky throat. It occurs when I speak or when I'm anxious. I've noticed it in a video that I filmed. Could you recommend any treatment?
hey Kati, I'd love to have some more information about psychosomatic pain, can you please talk about the symptoms and how to distinguish it from "normal" pain and what to do about it? :)
That would be a good subject to cover - especially as some people experience both.
Would you be willing to make a video on the types of modern (and maybe history of) depression and anxiety medication? Maybe in tandem with someone who is an expert in the field? When I was in intensive therapy I found it to be very helpful in understanding my treatment options. It's been almost 10 years though and I'm sure there have been some advances since then. Thank you!
What I had found interesting in PMD, is that there's no solid to follow. Which it is harder to diagnose and treat it.
*Q:* How would I get a new therapist to believe me when I say that many CBTs have been tried again and again and again without results, that I generally don't think in words but in images? I'm not unique, and I do appreciate their effort, but it really is maddening.
I have the same problem. Not sure where you're from but in the UK I think a lot of therapists/counsellors are mainly only trained in cbt so can't offer much else. I'm now looking into more expensive help where therapist's may specialise in more specific things. It's a pain to spend more money but help is important. You just have to do your research
Maybe ask them "What treatments do you typically use with clients?", and if they say "CBT" in there, just explain what you did here, that it has never worked for you, no matter how hard you and past therapists have tried. Explain how you think in images.
Then go from there? They may customize the concepts to work more with visuals, or try something totally different. And if they insist that you have to start all over with CBT, you have your answer - move on.
I don't think you have to convince a therapist of anything. If they aren't willing to work with you to find a way that will actually help, versus trying to force you to work their way, it's just not a good fit.
Perhaps it's because even though very briefly CBT actually focuses in on the problem or tendency and not out. Maybe something like Gestalt or Art therapy where you are not focused on the symptom but off the symptom might help? Also, some with neurological or physchoneurological symptoms find sport can help. Anything you feel engaged in that is outside of yourself and connects your body with your mind really. Just saying.
💐 Kind Caring Kati ♥️
this video helped a lot, i have always had really random outburst of movements, especially if i get cold, or if i get under a blanket i sometimes do it, they can be very violent to my whole body flailing or just my upper body like my arms flailing, i never thought it was tourette's because it doesn't happen that often, but my boyfriend and friends look at me weird when i do it and sometimes ask if i'm okay 😂 the funny thing is, it gives me a sense of relief and even happiness sometimes so i'm not sure if this is the explanation but it makes me understand my body a little better
I was having complex partial seizures for 2+ years. They eventually said it was psychogenic but it turned out to be caused by the anti seizure medication I was taking for my bipolar. It was building up in my blood and too much of that medicine can cause seizures. That was rough.
Great video👍. Dear Kati, I want you to talk about a topic, if you can and willing to, please. It’s about being unmarried or not having a relationship for a long while. I’ve been recently depressed about this for unknown reasons. It affects other areas of my life like studying and working which require a great deal of focus. I would say why would I build a life if I will always be lonely and worthless. I am 33 years old and female. The society looks at me as a failure which makes me want to isolate even more. Thanks in advance and we love you regardless ❤️❤️❤️💕💕💕
I have a question. Does this include involuntary actions such as screaming for no reason? I also experience the psychogenic movements such as involuntary shaking, sometimes in response to intrusive thoughts but sometimes it just happens if I sit and do nothing for too long.
I've been having this shaking in my jaw when I drink anything, not alcohol. I also gave a twitch in my head. I gave PTSD, Sever Depression, BPD, and Bipolar Disorder 1. I've also been having panic attacks and my meds don't really work. Thank you for your video.
I have ptsd from domestic violence and trauma. I shiver when I'm scared. I didn't realize until years later that there was a word for it...
I’m wondering if this is my issue Katie? I almost constantly itch certain spots on my head I’ve gone to my doctor and got creams but doesn’t ever really go away. This has been an issues for many years frustrating!!
I am currently struggling with this disorder... I have been on disability for nearly a year now it took 3 Dr.s and 3 Neurologist and around 5-6 months to finally get diagnosed. During that time I went through many tests blood work, MRIs, EMG, and even a steroid Infusion o and a spinal tap... that one hurt. I started receiving treatment in December and noticed slight improvements in January. However, it was at this time my disability started to deny all my claims and I have been in a appealing process since... This of course added a large amount of stress and my symptoms took a dive for the worse. I was finding a new symptom about one in ever 2-3 weeks. After that event I started to have all my current tremors increase in severity and even started to have sensory issues (very small but noticeable difference in how things feel by touching with my left hand compared to my right) so I can confirm this is 100% mental and you really need to control your mood. Try and find a way to get positive and try and forget about you having the issue at all. I know it sounds easy but it is truly difficult I find myself in a position where it is impossible for me to move on until my disability mombo jumbo is taken care of (as of yesterday they extended the appeal decision date by another 21 days.) But I am happy for this video because a fear that I have had this entire time is people thinking I am faking my issue because, I can see how on paper or over the phone it can sound fake or too "convenient ."
thank you for this video. I wonder if tick trembling 3 times a second+extreme startle response of brutal attack technique makes a relevant symptom.
I have a weird friend, he does it without being aware of it. he says he never remember learning it or coordinating it. it just happens to him. he does it very fast, often without opening his eyes. eyes shut. he is weird. he has modes.
Thank you for this video💜! I've been searching if it was possible to have this kind of tics without being a physical problem. Because of my anxiety y have this thing were i would have head and hands involuntary movements, and also for like 6 months, after a really bad panick attack i had while going back home (i was on the street, alone) i almost got hit by a car when i tried to keep walking and could't do it so i stayed freezed in the middle of the street. The car just pushed me a little bit but that was enough to make me have nightmares about it and sudden flashbacks. With that it came an involuntary movement where i would put my hands at my side to try to protect me from the car. It was really tiring because it was too often and it freezed me at any time. Know i only have the usual ones for me, but the most exhausting is the head movement.
My body is rocking forward and back when i sit without a back rest or on the floor. I cant control it to stop. Is this a PMD?
I've been into a traumatic situation a few years ago, and now I'm getting this tics everytime I remember it or a situation where I think I embarrassed myself. My entire body contracts l, my head twitches and sometimes I unintentionally self harm (with punches or scratches). In some occasions, I even let out a word like "no", "stop", or "shut up". Can that be a PMD? I've never heard of tics being a symptom related to trauma before, and your theory of fight, flight or freeze made sense to me.