Great video! If Logan’s wife had an abortion and killed his first born child, I guarantee he would have a problem with that. He would probably also sue her. He’s completely ignoring the countless men who have been heartbroken when their partner chooses abortion
From my experience MANY people in entertainment are pro life, conservative but due to their job they are forced to play the other side. It's sad, but I understand @@ThePinkishObject
If people just obeyed God and had children after marriage and obeyed his words, there would be no need for abortions. So many children are being born because of a sin. That’s the problem.
It's true that God's standard is the best way to live, but unfortunately you can't persuade people fast enough of this truth for it to be effective against abortions. I think a better approach would be proper sex education. Unfortunately ignorance about sex and reproduction is absurdly high among youth. If you pair that with how media, and by default society, constantly glorifies being sexually active outside of marriage, you end up with a perfect recipe for disaster.
@@octaviodominguez7772I'm not sure why people do that, but I'd guess one reason is that men who get vasectomies are mutilating themselves so that they can have pleasure without responsibility.
Great video. I am 1000% Pro life. Since becoming a dad. And seeing my beautiful daughter grow, who is now 2, even the thought of her not being around kills me. Abortion is murder. She’s the apple of our eye. Kids are the best, it has me to stop being less selfish, knowing there is this life to support and love.
They don’t even want to call it abortion. They’re calling it “women’s reproductive right”, or “reproductive freedom”. It’s sad, the sugar coating, killing the baby
I am pro-choice untill you conceive, then you have two choices birth and raise the child or do adoption. If you are not prepared for the responsibility of children you should not participate in actions that could lead to children. Simple as that.
@d3adp94 it means people have the choice to have a baby or not. Specifically they have the choice to engage in activities to create another human life or not.
@@tanng93 you sure about that? The OP post is a confused individual. Pro choice/life comes in to play when baby is conceived. Not what to do before the baby is conceived. She just described pro life but is saying I’m a pro choice. 😂
@@tanng93 I think she’s pro life but wants to seem like she’s “pro choice” because she is a female and likes her rights. Her second to last sentence is what sealed it for me. This is why I asked why she said I am “pro choice”.
Another thing people dont understand that it takes two to tango it always felt wrong to me that men's opinion in this matter is disregarded. What if the dad actually wanted his kids but because of how society percieves abortion and birth his opinion will never matter and that is heartbreaking
I know 9 sounds outlandish, but when I was 7 years old, there was a 9 year old girl in my school that was pregnant. It's rare, but it happens. They need love and compassion to help them get through it, not the physical and mental trauma of ripping that baby apart and then making them live with the consequences for the rest of their life that they never could have comprehended at that age.
@@TheNinjapancake14 I truly hope so too. I'm about to turn 40, so that was a long time ago, but I think about her every time someone throws out the child SA argument
@@albertbecerra oh they definitely do. I'm just saying both things can be true at once. It does happen, even if rarely, so we can't pretend it doesn't. They need guidance on how to cope going through the pregnancy. Same for any teenage pregnancies. They've been sold a lie that it's a quick fix. There's no way for them to understand at that age the physical and mental trauma they will carry for the rest of their lives. People need to be more compassionate for what they're going through, not telling them bc they got pregnant their lives are ruined and they are now worthless unless they abort. Breaks my heart.
I used to have these “arguments” too and the cognitive dissonance was unreal! I am so grateful to have found Jesus and to have found true clarity through Him! 🙏🏽❤️ I regret and repent every day for ever supporting this horrible act which is just plain murder 😢 I can see the Lord trying to soften Logan’s heart and I pray that he comes to Jesus!
Ngl I watched the entire interview Logan was actually asking good questions maybe not hear but he was genuinely listening to what cliffe and his son had to say.
Great video! Definitely keep more of this coming! It’d be cool if you had T Russell Hunter from Abolitionists Rising on, especially during an election year.
4 years ago Logan was pro choice so I'm interested to see how Logan's answer changes now that he is becoming a father. I'm against abortion because it personally disturbs me that abortion is even a thing and it has since I was a child.
An unborn human baby is able to feel pain at 12 weeks. I haven't been stateside since 2015 but I believe some states allow abortion clinics to perform abortions up to 24 weeks. Is there anything on this planet that feels pain but isn't alive?
As a father of a daughter, I promise you the best and most loving thing I could o for her if God forbid something awful happened to her and she got pregnant at a very young age would be to have her keep the baby. Putting her through the trauma of not only what happened to her but also killing her own child would be detrimental. And to fill her mind with the idea that her life is going to be over if she has a baby because she won’t be able to have a normal life and a career and be strong and empowered is completely the opposite of what I want to fill her mind with. Her mother and I would do everything we can to help her, take care of her and our grand children and support her for as long as she needs. I just don’t understand why THIS scenario is always the game changer.
Can someone tell me the fundamental difference between the born and unborn besides the fact that they are at an earlier stage of development ? Like I get that our language makes it seem like a human isn’t here until birth, but we obviously know the human exists and is living (for it to grow).
Great clip/ commentary! Logan’s statements have tons of logical inconsistencies that need called out. The reality is that we’re comparing “Forcing a woman to give birth” to forcing the death of a defenseless, innocent human being. 👏🏼👏🏼
Man Cliffe must be the proudest father.. i wish i couldve had a father like that.... my dads still here and i find it hard to find any poaitives in him other than that i was birthed through him and its actually extremly hard for me to even look at that in a positive light because i know all the details about whay was going on in that time with my parents and im also disappointed in my mom for stooping to those lows but thats a whole other conversation... i just pray i can find a church or that God will help me get through all of this because its been something ive dealt with for a long time and am still trying to fix so i can get rid of this anger that i cant seem to figure out how to get rid of and it has me at a stand still in life.. any prayers are much appreciated
He shouldn’t be proud of indoctrinating his kid. Stuart likes to pretend that he got a little break when he went to college, but that doesn’t negate nearly 18 years of indoctrination. Cliffe should be ashamed of what he’s done to Stuart.
I know pro abortion people who have said “Abortion is needed, if any woman wants one they should get one.” And also say “Break the stigma of miscarriages. If you’ve had a miscarriage, count that child among your children.” You cannot hold these two beliefs, unless you believe some people matter and some don’t. It’s either a baby all of the time or none of the time. Be consistent.
Most people are not consistent in their beliefs in other areas of life in the first place. It will listening on both sides to get to that point of consistency
I agree that abortion is needed. I also don’t see a stigma around miscarriages, so people can count them as their children if they please. So where does that put me in your equation?
Thank you for making this video. I may be the only one, but I was disappointed with Cliffe and Stewart's responses on many of these topics. I'm glad you called Stewart out on his comment about Christians need to help out more with adoption. They never pushed back on Logans "it's a woman's body". It's not a woman's body it is another human life. As much as I love Cliffe's videos on college campuses, I think they could have been much more clear and confrontational with Logan on many of the topics discussed. I was also very disappointed to hear Cliffe and Stewart think we evolved from primates! If you can get them on your show, you gotta ask them some of these questions.
They believe in Micro evolution / adaptation not macro bro. Massive difference. Everyone should believe in adaptation. Could have pushed more about abortion but no one is perfect . He articulated the Christian view better than 99% of pastors nowadays
@@andrewparry7300 I don't think they were clear enough on the topic. I tried to go back and listen and couldn't find the part where Mike asks if we came from monkey's, why are there still monkey's. I don't remember them pushing back on that at all (but again i couldn't find that part of the video!). Even in the part in the end where they discuss evolution, Stewart did not define it except for saying we didn't' come from a primordial ooze. To me it seems if you asked Logan or Mike if Stewart believes in Darwinian evolution, they would say yes. Just that God was behind the evolutionary process.
@@lukeburke7112 He should have defined micro evolution if that was what he was trying to say. I don't disagree they had great answers on a lot of it. Maybe it was more the core message of the gospel that I was bothered by. I bet if you asked Logan or Mike how you get to heaven they would still say by doing good things. Not sure that part of the gospel was explained well. They were basically saying "Oh God really cares about our motives in how we do our good works the most". I think Cliffe could have instead of saying "human beings do good things and bad things", he could have said Jesus said there is none good but God. Which he did great at explaining how Jesus died for our sins, but failed to help Logan personally realize he is a sinner and needs Jesus. Just my opinion.
“For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb. I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, And my soul knows it very well.” Psalms 139:13-14 Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you Jeremiah 1:5
This was such an annoying waist of time to watch, turned it one before I got in the shower and I hate that I couldn’t change it for my whole shower….. Logan Paul sucks but so do you just not as bad
I’m not pro abortion or anything but I will say that I feel very uncomfortable thinking about ppl who had no choice and were physically assaulted by someone and became pregnant
Don’t blame an innocent child for the crimes of the father, many children who’s mother were rape victims or manipulated into keeping and find out their parents even thought about abortion all praise life and are glad they parents did not murder them. Fairly simple when you look at it this way.
Take that discomfort to its conclusion: that baby had no choice in the circumstances surrounding its conception either. Why would you victimize a third party because the woman was also victimized rather than stopping the cycle? Killing that baby doesn't fix the atrocity committed against the woman, it just continues it.
Yes, b/c it’s an emotional, uncomfortable, tragic topic, and it’s tough to balance this with logic. There’s no emotionally easy answer here. I think it’s a natural assumption that abortion in cases of assault will alleviate and prevent further psychological trauma for the woman, but there’s no empirical evidence that abortion is mentally beneficial (both in general and in cases of assault) and in some cases abortion compounds trauma.
@@Lolley13so we should be forcing the victim to remain pregnant and give birth against their will? If that’s your position, then fine. But don’t pretend like you’re on some moral high ground with a position like that.
I'm Christian and I am strongly against abortion. I also believe that abortion should be legal and safe. My reasons are for the safety of the mother. If the mothers life is at risk during pregnancy or child birth then the life of the mother should be prioritised. Outside of this important reason I don't agree with it and should be illegal.
It's wild hearing Logan say that men don't have a say about abortion during pregnancy. It means he wouldn't defend his baby girl from her own mother. He'd be failing to protect his child in the most vulnerable stage of her life.
Is contraception considered anti life? I'm only just starting to read the bible, but I would love to know if Christians feel that contraception aligns with god's word?
The main issue with the justification of abortion is that the vast majority of people who delete their own children don’t do it out of necessity but out of convenience. As an example: my dad, who worked at a hospital as an RT, encountered a couple who wanted to delete their child so that they could go to Disney Land. Where’s the “necessity” to preserve the “mother’s life” in that? Convenience not necessity.
That’s irrelevant. If you want to cut out the people doing it for “convenience” then you would have to cut out the people doing it for necessity as well. No way around that without potentially violating other rights.
@@johnnybgood7442 , The rate at which it’s done out of convenience is nearly 100%. Almost nobody does it out of necessity. Allowing most to discard their children out of depravity because of the “few who need it” is a ridiculous argument. It’s legalized genocide.
@@resistdespots4911 you are just factually wrong on this. Almost all of third trimester abortions are due to medical necessity. You are just making up numbers without providing any evidence. Here’s a quote from the America college of obstetricians and gynecologists… “There are situations where pregnancy termination in the form of an abortion is the only medical intervention that can preserve a patient’s health or save their life. Without question, abortion can be medically necessary.” And sorry, but it’s not “legalized genocide”. It’s called bodily autonomy. If you want to give yours up, you go right ahead. Just don’t expect the rest of us to do the same.
@@johnnybgood7442 , First, people who want to use pseudoscience to redefine what human life and when it starts in an attempt to dehumanize it I don’t care much for their “morals” (lack thereof). Second, the logic people like you use makes pregnancy itself sound dangerous. If it’s “so dangerous,” generally, why do we have growing populations? It’s not something so lethal that you *have to legalize* the butchery of those in the womb. It’s evil and ridiculous.
@@johnnybgood7442 , First, this “bodily autonomy” crusade is leading to the termination of full term and after birth children (healthy ones); anyone advocating for this at any stage are pro murder. Second, I don’t care for the depravity of those who use pseudoscience from certain academia to redefine what a human life is and when it starts; people of the not so distant past have done this with horrifying results. Lastly, these procedures are just as dangerous and/or more lethal than the pregnancies themselves; they are invasive, unnatural and can/do cause harm to the mothers themselves, of which they are not warned beforehand. This whole movement is filled with depravity.
I can't wait until you or Cliffe and Stuart or someone with some skill in Christian apologetics can get on the JRE. It's needed, especially with his audience. I pray yall are really trying and training for that moment.
The thing people _really_ don't want to deal with is not the abortion part, but the *SEXUAL ACTIVITY* part. If 99% of people simply weren't so promiscuous, there would be no need for any of these arguments for or against murdering a fetus. Sexual sin gives birth to yet even more sin. If people would simply wait until marriage, there'd be no discussion to be had because everyone would actually want and be in a position to have children. God will always provide for those who honor him and his natural order, especially children. Matthew 18:3 says that unless we become _like children,_ we will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Not to mention, if you're following God and are about to be married, it's a marriage that's been orchestrated by God, which means God has surely put you in a position to have the resources and time and ability to take care of children. That's often one of the reasons/excuses used to justify deletion, making it an economic issue. Are we mercenaries now? Are lives simply extra living expenses to be calculated in complete absence of any love or respect for the potential of new life?? Keep your legs closed until marriage, and if you're not a virgin but haven't gotten anyone pregnant, stop your sin and repent. Wait until you're married, then go nuts. That's the time God has ordained for all of us to enjoy it, we just can't be patient.
Why are we confused that Logan is “pro life” but thinks women should choose what to do with their bodies? So many pro life women are against an abortion ban, and so many pro choice women would never have an abortion themselves. These labels are so silly
Except the woman that had a miscarriage potentially wanted to remain pregnant and give birth, while a woman that has an abortion does NOT want those things. Of course one of them is going to mourn for their loss. Did you think this was a good argument?
I put the argument like this. If but for an intervening act, the life would be reasonably expected to continue along it's own natural lifecycle. Then you have a human life the very instant that lifecycle began. Which was the moment of conception. If your intervention is required to stop a life from progressing along its developmental cycle, and you intervene to stop it. Then you have committed murder. It is impossible to escape this obvious truth. Murder is murder, and requires the same justice in every instance. Otherwise you have no standard of justice at all, and all are complicit in the murder. If we, as a nation, do not pursue justice here, then we all stand condemned as a nation. Wholly deserving of the righteous judgment God has prepared for us. The framing of the whole issue as a matter of "women's rights", putting good for evil and evil for good, is a lie straight out of the mouth of the Deceiver.
One of the worst parts about Logan’s argument was that like 2 minutes before he said murderers aren’t “valuable.” That was his one exception to the value of a human life. Then immediately defends murderers of babies
Its also the most emotional argument too, "a 9 year old getting raped..." like thats the most extreme scenario they can come up with to then make the rule based on the most rare and extreme scenario. Its such an emotional argument too, like men see that and although they are saddened by such a tragedy, it wouldn't change their stance because someone brought up an extreme situation. Kind of like another scenario that I've heard, idk if many people have heard this outrageous argument that people on that side use as rebuttal. But the scenario goes, "what if there were 2 buildings and 1 of the building were all just fertilized embryos while the other is new born babies and both buildings are on fire and you could only save one group of people, which one would you choose". Such an absolutely outrageous scenario that would probably never happen, and if it did it would be 1 in a million kind of scenario. And they want to make a rule based on such outrageous terms. Only reason is because they really want to kill babies that badly. And they don't want men to say anything about it, because men being the natural born leaders would condemn it right out the back. Real men that is
I think very many christian men underestimate pregnancy. Being pregnant consumes many womens quality of life negatively, even when they want to be pregnant. Point being, even if you consider every part of the pregnancy as «life» you must take in consideration the mothers quality of life aswell. The emotional toll of giving up for adoption i also believe gets underestimated, and is not a solution. Stay out of peoples life , and let them choose within their own beliefsystems.
I don't like the rationale you gave at the end for why "as a man", you are speaking aboutvthis issue. I don't think you intended it this way, but it's certainly showing some degree of influence from the culture on you. Here's a better reason: As a servant of Christ I am obliged to speak up and stand in defense of the innocent. The world's opinion about it is irrelevant, because friendship with the world is enmity with God.
It's not just their(the woman's)choice anymore when they sleep with a man that plants said seed, so its not her baby, its their baby, so its not her choice to make! If she feels like she's not ready for a child, do not & i repeat DO NOT have sex!
Women have a rite to make the choice with their body… Okay… If the baby is a girl, does THAT girl have less or more say from the mom? Do some women have more of a say over others then?
So it's because the baby is enclosed and weak that it's ok to end its life? Imagine if every time you went to the bathroom the law said it was ok to terminate the life of someone enclosed in a bathroom stall in a vulnerable position lol
religion aside,i think this topic is ultimately about responsibility. say a women ages from teenager-all the way adulthood, decide to have sex. they know the consequences of performing such act esp when unprotected. if you dont want a baby then either dont do it or use protection. if u slip up then own up to it. ppl want to make an excuse to have sex without owning up to the responsibilities of conception. if in cases of rape/the life of the mother is compromised, THEN its your choice
If the women takes the RISK of getting pregnant WHY SHOULDNT she be responsible to birth the baby? In the real world if one takes a risk and it doesnt work out then one suffers the consequences but when it comes to pregnancy the baby has to suffer the consequences of the mothers risk???? Absolutely disgusting and God WILL JUDGE this evilness. God is just and these babies WILL GET THEIR JUSTICE. my theological question would be; if a baby gets aborted at three weeks, is it going to heaven or what if it gets aborted one week after conception? Does that being go to heaven? i would guess YES its just hard picturing that
As a mother, the "my body, my choice" argument makes even less since than it did to me before having kids. DO you know how physically hard it is on your body to take care of an infant? The physical toll on a woman's breasts to feed her baby? All the sleepless nights, postpartum depression from crazy hormone shifts and lifestyle changes, arm going numb from holding your baby for hours, or getting poo and spit up on you? And then, when your you child is a litter older and you are getting literally hit and scratched by your small toddler because they don't know any better yet? If you follow you're "my body, my choice" to the ultimate conclusion, you would say you can kill your 3 month old child because its too hard on your body to take care of them. A firefighter could say "my body, my choice" and refuse to go into a burning building to save a family because he is running on no sleep and doesn't feel like it. No. When you have a helpless or endangered person dependent on you, whether you are a man or a woman, you have a moral obligation to do anything in your power to help, and not harm, that person. Anything less is the endangerment of another human being or murder.
In poor countries pro life or pro choice is not about ideology. Ideology is a fancy thing for them. It's about survival when the family can't afford to feed another mouth. I don't say that abortion is right, but just want you to see it from different a different perspective.
@@kellvey I believe it's not permissible, but people or govt. officials may just turn a blind eye. The term for such practices is infanticide. You can find lots of information about it on Google.
Yeah abortions were super common for thousands or years, dating back even like 20k plus years ago where the amount of food the tribe had for a season dictated how many women were allowed to stay pregnant.
@causeyje5791, Lack of food causing a miscarriage is not an abortion, and no, abortions were not “super common” 20,000 years ago. You’re speaking nonsense. For the sake of argument, let’s say they were common. Still doesn’t make it morally correct. Child sacrifice was common in various societies in the past. Still wrong.
@@kellvey I believe it's not permissible, but people or govt. official might turn a blind eye. The practice of killing infants is infanticide and you can find lots of information about it on Google.
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Great video! If Logan’s wife had an abortion and killed his first born child, I guarantee he would have a problem with that. He would probably also sue her. He’s completely ignoring the countless men who have been heartbroken when their partner chooses abortion
Logan heard 51% are prolife and immediately jumped to the “majority” side.
He was trying to say he is socially pro choice but personally pro life, and I also think at some point he just mixed up the statements in his mind
The majority is pro-abortion even in conservative country like Poland. The same is in the us
So a fence sitter.
From my experience MANY people in entertainment are pro life, conservative but due to their job they are forced to play the other side. It's sad, but I understand @@ThePinkishObject
If people just obeyed God and had children after marriage and obeyed his words, there would be no need for abortions. So many children are being born because of a sin. That’s the problem.
Can you explain why they call people who get vasectomies” betas” ? Because I’m lost in the negative in that
It's true that God's standard is the best way to live, but unfortunately you can't persuade people fast enough of this truth for it to be effective against abortions. I think a better approach would be proper sex education.
Unfortunately ignorance about sex and reproduction is absurdly high among youth. If you pair that with how media, and by default society, constantly glorifies being sexually active outside of marriage, you end up with a perfect recipe for disaster.
Amen
@@octaviodominguez7772I'm not sure why people do that, but I'd guess one reason is that men who get vasectomies are mutilating themselves so that they can have pleasure without responsibility.
Amen but even if you do decide to have pre marriage sex you gotta love with your consequences
"i dOn'T tHinK mEn hAVe aNy saY iN tHAt" Weakest thing ever.
Pray for Logan fr 🙏
@@ksea8971 Amen LORD JESUS CHRIST please save and help Logan Paul in JESUS Name Amen.
It took two to make the baby.
People who have never stolen should not be allowed to have an opinion on theft!
@@McPhan86 good thing logan knows plenty about theft
Great video. I am 1000% Pro life. Since becoming a dad. And seeing my beautiful daughter grow, who is now 2, even the thought of her not being around kills me. Abortion is murder. She’s the apple of our eye. Kids are the best, it has me to stop being less selfish, knowing there is this life to support and love.
I think we should stop saying abortion and just call it what it is,infanticide.
Murder is the word
They don’t even want to call it abortion. They’re calling it “women’s reproductive right”, or “reproductive freedom”. It’s sad, the sugar coating, killing the baby
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@@rudypoo4370 that's crazy because I always thought that bird was the word. I mean,everybody knows!
@rudypoo4370 right! Its quite simple
I really appreciate your view on pro life. It should be blatantly obvious to Christians what the correct position is.
Same, and agreed. Should be blatantly obvious to all.
Obvious to all. Hopefully Jesus works miracles in all our hearts!
Get Cliffe and Stuart on the show!!! This needs to happen!
Would love to see that!
It's called ask cliffe
Gosh its infuriating how flippantly people like Logan are willing to disregard human life under the banner of women's bodily autonomy
I am pro-choice untill you conceive, then you have two choices birth and raise the child or do adoption. If you are not prepared for the responsibility of children you should not participate in actions that could lead to children. Simple as that.
What does that even mean? “Pro choice until you conceive..”
@d3adp94 it means people have the choice to have a baby or not. Specifically they have the choice to engage in activities to create another human life or not.
@@tanng93 you sure about that? The OP post is a confused individual. Pro choice/life comes in to play when baby is conceived. Not what to do before the baby is conceived. She just described pro life but is saying I’m a pro choice. 😂
@@d3adp94 yes pretty sure lol @mirindala can confirm though. What do you think it means?
@@tanng93 I think she’s pro life but wants to seem like she’s “pro choice” because she is a female and likes her rights. Her second to last sentence is what sealed it for me. This is why I asked why she said I am “pro choice”.
Another thing people dont understand that it takes two to tango it always felt wrong to me that men's opinion in this matter is disregarded. What if the dad actually wanted his kids but because of how society percieves abortion and birth his opinion will never matter and that is heartbreaking
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Correct. This isn’t a woman issue, it’s an all of us issue.
I know 9 sounds outlandish, but when I was 7 years old, there was a 9 year old girl in my school that was pregnant. It's rare, but it happens. They need love and compassion to help them get through it, not the physical and mental trauma of ripping that baby apart and then making them live with the consequences for the rest of their life that they never could have comprehended at that age.
That’s honestly devastating that a child’s innocence was stolen. I hope she is doing well now
@@TheNinjapancake14 I truly hope so too. I'm about to turn 40, so that was a long time ago, but I think about her every time someone throws out the child SA argument
Yeah, no denying that it happens, but the way these people frame it, is as if it's the majority of abortion cases, when in actuality it's less than 1%
@@albertbecerra oh they definitely do. I'm just saying both things can be true at once. It does happen, even if rarely, so we can't pretend it doesn't. They need guidance on how to cope going through the pregnancy.
Same for any teenage pregnancies. They've been sold a lie that it's a quick fix. There's no way for them to understand at that age the physical and mental trauma they will carry for the rest of their lives. People need to be more compassionate for what they're going through, not telling them bc they got pregnant their lives are ruined and they are now worthless unless they abort. Breaks my heart.
I used to have these “arguments” too and the cognitive dissonance was unreal! I am so grateful to have found Jesus and to have found true clarity through Him! 🙏🏽❤️ I regret and repent every day for ever supporting this horrible act which is just plain murder 😢 I can see the Lord trying to soften Logan’s heart and I pray that he comes to Jesus!
If respecting what a woman decides to happen with her body is simping for them, I'm the biggest simp in the world.
Ngl I watched the entire interview Logan was actually asking good questions maybe not hear but he was genuinely listening to what cliffe and his son had to say.
Great video! Definitely keep more of this coming!
It’d be cool if you had T Russell Hunter from Abolitionists Rising on, especially during an election year.
4 years ago Logan was pro choice so I'm interested to see how Logan's answer changes now that he is becoming a father. I'm against abortion because it personally disturbs me that abortion is even a thing and it has since I was a child.
An unborn human baby is able to feel pain at 12 weeks. I haven't been stateside since 2015 but I believe some states allow abortion clinics to perform abortions up to 24 weeks. Is there anything on this planet that feels pain but isn't alive?
As a father of a daughter, I promise you the best and most loving thing I could o for her if God forbid something awful happened to her and she got pregnant at a very young age would be to have her keep the baby. Putting her through the trauma of not only what happened to her but also killing her own child would be detrimental. And to fill her mind with the idea that her life is going to be over if she has a baby because she won’t be able to have a normal life and a career and be strong and empowered is completely the opposite of what I want to fill her mind with. Her mother and I would do everything we can to help her, take care of her and our grand children and support her for as long as she needs. I just don’t understand why THIS scenario is always the game changer.
THIS 🤍🤍🤍 That is so loving
Can someone tell me the fundamental difference between the born and unborn besides the fact that they are at an earlier stage of development ?
Like I get that our language makes it seem like a human isn’t here until birth, but we obviously know the human exists and is living (for it to grow).
Theres no difference. One goes through a vaginal canal. The other does not yet.
@@Thomas-ps9qk wym one does not
@@AnthonyBarbian has not
Great clip/ commentary! Logan’s statements have tons of logical inconsistencies that need called out. The reality is that we’re comparing “Forcing a woman to give birth” to forcing the death of a defenseless, innocent human being. 👏🏼👏🏼
Logan Paul may you find the way. I pray the lord works in your life and makes you a vessel. I pray for the same in my life.
Man Cliffe must be the proudest father.. i wish i couldve had a father like that.... my dads still here and i find it hard to find any poaitives in him other than that i was birthed through him and its actually extremly hard for me to even look at that in a positive light because i know all the details about whay was going on in that time with my parents and im also disappointed in my mom for stooping to those lows but thats a whole other conversation... i just pray i can find a church or that God will help me get through all of this because its been something ive dealt with for a long time and am still trying to fix so i can get rid of this anger that i cant seem to figure out how to get rid of and it has me at a stand still in life.. any prayers are much appreciated
He shouldn’t be proud of indoctrinating his kid. Stuart likes to pretend that he got a little break when he went to college, but that doesn’t negate nearly 18 years of indoctrination. Cliffe should be ashamed of what he’s done to Stuart.
Let's keep praying for Logan and his team
I know pro abortion people who have said “Abortion is needed, if any woman wants one they should get one.” And also say “Break the stigma of miscarriages. If you’ve had a miscarriage, count that child among your children.”
You cannot hold these two beliefs, unless you believe some people matter and some don’t.
It’s either a baby all of the time or none of the time. Be consistent.
Most people are not consistent in their beliefs in other areas of life in the first place. It will listening on both sides to get to that point of consistency
I agree that abortion is needed. I also don’t see a stigma around miscarriages, so people can count them as their children if they please. So where does that put me in your equation?
Thank you for making this video. I may be the only one, but I was disappointed with Cliffe and Stewart's responses on many of these topics. I'm glad you called Stewart out on his comment about Christians need to help out more with adoption. They never pushed back on Logans "it's a woman's body". It's not a woman's body it is another human life. As much as I love Cliffe's videos on college campuses, I think they could have been much more clear and confrontational with Logan on many of the topics discussed. I was also very disappointed to hear Cliffe and Stewart think we evolved from primates! If you can get them on your show, you gotta ask them some of these questions.
Lowkey agreed.
They believe in Micro evolution / adaptation not macro bro. Massive difference.
Everyone should believe in adaptation. Could have pushed more about abortion but no one is perfect . He articulated the Christian view better than 99% of pastors nowadays
Yeah you didn't fully listen on the evolution topic.
@@andrewparry7300 I don't think they were clear enough on the topic. I tried to go back and listen and couldn't find the part where Mike asks if we came from monkey's, why are there still monkey's. I don't remember them pushing back on that at all (but again i couldn't find that part of the video!). Even in the part in the end where they discuss evolution, Stewart did not define it except for saying we didn't' come from a primordial ooze. To me it seems if you asked Logan or Mike if Stewart believes in Darwinian evolution, they would say yes. Just that God was behind the evolutionary process.
@@lukeburke7112 He should have defined micro evolution if that was what he was trying to say. I don't disagree they had great answers on a lot of it. Maybe it was more the core message of the gospel that I was bothered by. I bet if you asked Logan or Mike how you get to heaven they would still say by doing good things. Not sure that part of the gospel was explained well. They were basically saying "Oh God really cares about our motives in how we do our good works the most". I think Cliffe could have instead of saying "human beings do good things and bad things", he could have said Jesus said there is none good but God. Which he did great at explaining how Jesus died for our sins, but failed to help Logan personally realize he is a sinner and needs Jesus. Just my opinion.
This podcast was awesome for the gospel.
“For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb. I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, And my soul knows it very well.”
Psalms 139:13-14
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you
Jeremiah 1:5
Great points guys
This was such an annoying waist of time to watch, turned it one before I got in the shower and I hate that I couldn’t change it for my whole shower….. Logan Paul sucks but so do you just not as bad
This was amazing. I didn’t know babies have a brain activity and a heart beat after 6-10 weeks. Great analogy
Ruslan, You should react to some Abolitionist content, I think youll find the arguments and the position very persuasive.
It’s not men talking about decisions for women it’s people trying to save people.
I’m not pro abortion or anything but I will say that I feel very uncomfortable thinking about ppl who had no choice and were physically assaulted by someone and became pregnant
Don’t blame an innocent child for the crimes of the father, many children who’s mother were rape victims or manipulated into keeping and find out their parents even thought about abortion all praise life and are glad they parents did not murder them. Fairly simple when you look at it this way.
Take that discomfort to its conclusion: that baby had no choice in the circumstances surrounding its conception either. Why would you victimize a third party because the woman was also victimized rather than stopping the cycle? Killing that baby doesn't fix the atrocity committed against the woman, it just continues it.
Yes, b/c it’s an emotional, uncomfortable, tragic topic, and it’s tough to balance this with logic. There’s no emotionally easy answer here. I think it’s a natural assumption that abortion in cases of assault will alleviate and prevent further psychological trauma for the woman, but there’s no empirical evidence that abortion is mentally beneficial (both in general and in cases of assault) and in some cases abortion compounds trauma.
@@Lolley13 did I say i blamed the child…did I say I agree with them aborting the child…no. I said IT MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE
@@Lolley13so we should be forcing the victim to remain pregnant and give birth against their will? If that’s your position, then fine. But don’t pretend like you’re on some moral high ground with a position like that.
Having a termination wont take away that they got R. They need real help. All mothers need help
It won’t take it away, of course. But we also shouldn’t be forcing them to remain pregnant for nine months and give birth to their SA’s offspring.
Why does the bodily autonomy of the mother take precedent over her child's?
Because bodily autonomy is the foundation of freedom. If we don’t have autonomy over our own bodies, what do we have?
I'm Christian and I am strongly against abortion. I also believe that abortion should be legal and safe. My reasons are for the safety of the mother. If the mothers life is at risk during pregnancy or child birth then the life of the mother should be prioritised.
Outside of this important reason I don't agree with it and should be illegal.
We were knitted in our mothers wombs by God, He knew you before earth was created…are you sure you believe in the same Jesus from the Bible?
@@sofiabravo1994 absolutely. Like I said It should be illegal except where the life of the mother is in danger. THEN it should be legal and safe.
Be fruitful and multiply.
@@Alexander-xk2nb Agree 1000%
If the mother dies during child birth then that can not happen can it?
@@sofiabravo1994Wtf are you talking about Zeus for? Stop yapping.
It's wild hearing Logan say that men don't have a say about abortion during pregnancy. It means he wouldn't defend his baby girl from her own mother. He'd be failing to protect his child in the most vulnerable stage of her life.
If you ever put out fulll length episode out I’ll subscribe
Is contraception considered anti life? I'm only just starting to read the bible, but I would love to know if Christians feel that contraception aligns with god's word?
Logan Paul changed his mind in 30 seconds 😂😂😂
Everyone has a say when someone wants to do something with their body that hurts another human being.
It’s not an incoherent decision. You can be pro life and be pro American. People have the right to make the wrong decision
The main issue with the justification of abortion is that the vast majority of people who delete their own children don’t do it out of necessity but out of convenience. As an example: my dad, who worked at a hospital as an RT, encountered a couple who wanted to delete their child so that they could go to Disney Land. Where’s the “necessity” to preserve the “mother’s life” in that? Convenience not necessity.
That’s irrelevant. If you want to cut out the people doing it for “convenience” then you would have to cut out the people doing it for necessity as well. No way around that without potentially violating other rights.
@@johnnybgood7442 ,
The rate at which it’s done out of convenience is nearly 100%. Almost nobody does it out of necessity. Allowing most to discard their children out of depravity because of the “few who need it” is a ridiculous argument. It’s legalized genocide.
@@resistdespots4911 you are just factually wrong on this. Almost all of third trimester abortions are due to medical necessity. You are just making up numbers without providing any evidence. Here’s a quote from the America college of obstetricians and gynecologists…
“There are situations where pregnancy termination in the form of an abortion is the only medical intervention that can preserve a patient’s health or save their life. Without question, abortion can be medically necessary.”
And sorry, but it’s not “legalized genocide”. It’s called bodily autonomy. If you want to give yours up, you go right ahead. Just don’t expect the rest of us to do the same.
@@johnnybgood7442 ,
First, people who want to use pseudoscience to redefine what human life and when it starts in an attempt to dehumanize it I don’t care much for their “morals” (lack thereof). Second, the logic people like you use makes pregnancy itself sound dangerous. If it’s “so dangerous,” generally, why do we have growing populations? It’s not something so lethal that you *have to legalize* the butchery of those in the womb. It’s evil and ridiculous.
@@johnnybgood7442 ,
First, this “bodily autonomy” crusade is leading to the termination of full term and after birth children (healthy ones); anyone advocating for this at any stage are pro murder. Second, I don’t care for the depravity of those who use pseudoscience from certain academia to redefine what a human life is and when it starts; people of the not so distant past have done this with horrifying results. Lastly, these procedures are just as dangerous and/or more lethal than the pregnancies themselves; they are invasive, unnatural and can/do cause harm to the mothers themselves, of which they are not warned beforehand. This whole movement is filled with depravity.
If a psychopath cuts off my leg, is everyone else forcing me to live with one leg?
Not the best analogy, but close enough.
Idk, it happened, but you get to chose to wear a prosthetic or not. Not sure what the point you’re making is lol
@@TheNinjapancake14 make sure you know what point I am making, before you say I don’t know what point I am making.
I can't wait until you or Cliffe and Stuart or someone with some skill in Christian apologetics can get on the JRE. It's needed, especially with his audience. I pray yall are really trying and training for that moment.
You can tell cliffe was so proud of his son when he was talking about pro life
The thing people _really_ don't want to deal with is not the abortion part, but the *SEXUAL ACTIVITY* part. If 99% of people simply weren't so promiscuous, there would be no need for any of these arguments for or against murdering a fetus. Sexual sin gives birth to yet even more sin. If people would simply wait until marriage, there'd be no discussion to be had because everyone would actually want and be in a position to have children. God will always provide for those who honor him and his natural order, especially children. Matthew 18:3 says that unless we become _like children,_ we will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Not to mention, if you're following God and are about to be married, it's a marriage that's been orchestrated by God, which means God has surely put you in a position to have the resources and time and ability to take care of children. That's often one of the reasons/excuses used to justify deletion, making it an economic issue. Are we mercenaries now? Are lives simply extra living expenses to be calculated in complete absence of any love or respect for the potential of new life??
Keep your legs closed until marriage, and if you're not a virgin but haven't gotten anyone pregnant, stop your sin and repent. Wait until you're married, then go nuts. That's the time God has ordained for all of us to enjoy it, we just can't be patient.
Why are we confused that Logan is “pro life” but thinks women should choose what to do with their bodies? So many pro life women are against an abortion ban, and so many pro choice women would never have an abortion themselves. These labels are so silly
It’s hard to understand the guys in Logan’s video because they’re voice is sped up too much
Then watch the original
Logan wants to be george so bad😂😂😂
It’s strange that people will say a miscarriage is “losing a baby” if it’s just a clump of cells. What are you mourning? Just try again- right!?
Except the woman that had a miscarriage potentially wanted to remain pregnant and give birth, while a woman that has an abortion does NOT want those things. Of course one of them is going to mourn for their loss. Did you think this was a good argument?
I put the argument like this. If but for an intervening act, the life would be reasonably expected to continue along it's own natural lifecycle. Then you have a human life the very instant that lifecycle began. Which was the moment of conception. If your intervention is required to stop a life from progressing along its developmental cycle, and you intervene to stop it. Then you have committed murder. It is impossible to escape this obvious truth. Murder is murder, and requires the same justice in every instance. Otherwise you have no standard of justice at all, and all are complicit in the murder. If we, as a nation, do not pursue justice here, then we all stand condemned as a nation. Wholly deserving of the righteous judgment God has prepared for us.
The framing of the whole issue as a matter of "women's rights", putting good for evil and evil for good, is a lie straight out of the mouth of the Deceiver.
its wild to me that you would allow a baby to bare the sins of a crime they didnt commit. to bare the sins of the parents.
If you needed the technology too see what was going on in there before the technology conveyed it, that's pretty sus.
ruslan brother life starts at fertilization not implantation @6:50
Logan Paul doesn't know what he believes. Whatever is trendy at the time.
One of the worst parts about Logan’s argument was that like 2 minutes before he said murderers aren’t “valuable.” That was his one exception to the value of a human life. Then immediately defends murderers of babies
Its also the most emotional argument too, "a 9 year old getting raped..." like thats the most extreme scenario they can come up with to then make the rule based on the most rare and extreme scenario. Its such an emotional argument too, like men see that and although they are saddened by such a tragedy, it wouldn't change their stance because someone brought up an extreme situation.
Kind of like another scenario that I've heard, idk if many people have heard this outrageous argument that people on that side use as rebuttal. But the scenario goes, "what if there were 2 buildings and 1 of the building were all just fertilized embryos while the other is new born babies and both buildings are on fire and you could only save one group of people, which one would you choose". Such an absolutely outrageous scenario that would probably never happen, and if it did it would be 1 in a million kind of scenario. And they want to make a rule based on such outrageous terms.
Only reason is because they really want to kill babies that badly. And they don't want men to say anything about it, because men being the natural born leaders would condemn it right out the back. Real men that is
I think the consistent Christian position is being an abolitionist…the pro life position doesn’t really hold the mother accountable..
Logan listens to the puppeteer in his ear
It’s not men making decisions for women. It’s God creating order and people attempting to maintain this order.
Prove it.
@@Euro.Patriot prove what
@@thebamboozler789 What you just said.
@@Euro.Patriot it’s common sense lol
@@thebamboozler789 You can't prove what you said therefore it doesn't mean anything. It has nothing to do with intelligence.
I think very many christian men underestimate pregnancy. Being pregnant consumes many womens quality of life negatively, even when they want to be pregnant. Point being, even if you consider every part of the pregnancy as «life» you must take in consideration the mothers quality of life aswell. The emotional toll of giving up for adoption i also believe gets underestimated, and is not a solution. Stay out of peoples life , and let them choose within their own beliefsystems.
Your next guest shoukd be the youtube channel abolitionists rising's main guy.
Do these guys hear themselves when they talk? Good grief!
I don't like the rationale you gave at the end for why "as a man", you are speaking aboutvthis issue. I don't think you intended it this way, but it's certainly showing some degree of influence from the culture on you.
Here's a better reason: As a servant of Christ I am obliged to speak up and stand in defense of the innocent.
The world's opinion about it is irrelevant, because friendship with the world is enmity with God.
It's not just their(the woman's)choice anymore when they sleep with a man that plants said seed, so its not her baby, its their baby, so its not her choice to make! If she feels like she's not ready for a child, do not & i repeat DO NOT have sex!
Are you suggesting that all women that get abortions are choosing to have sex? If not, then your argument is irrelevant.
I am saying what I said, period! Get over it!
@johnnybgood7442 my argument stands!
@@johnnybgood7442I am NOT ok with any form of abortion
@@johnnybgood7442to suggest abortion is ok depending is ridiculous!
Women have a rite to make the choice with their body…
Okay…
If the baby is a girl, does THAT girl have less or more say from the mom?
Do some women have more of a say over others then?
So it's because the baby is enclosed and weak that it's ok to end its life? Imagine if every time you went to the bathroom the law said it was ok to terminate the life of someone enclosed in a bathroom stall in a vulnerable position lol
religion aside,i think this topic is ultimately about responsibility. say a women ages from teenager-all the way adulthood, decide to have sex. they know the consequences of performing such act esp when unprotected. if you dont want a baby then either dont do it or use protection. if u slip up then own up to it. ppl want to make an excuse to have sex without owning up to the responsibilities of conception. if in cases of rape/the life of the mother is compromised, THEN its your choice
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people still trying to meat ride off of logan & now his kid? disgusting.
Logan Paul wouldn't fight for his baby
I don't get why all this dedication to just be protestant
You can’t have a coherent position? huh?
someone who believes something can be "true" but not in every instance, especially not for them has COGNITIVE DISSONANCE
Every Christian video I listen to feels like a cult
I will never become beta
bro what are talking about dude?
You are beta
God said I AM the Alpha and Omega. Men being Alphas or Betas is not a biblical doctrine. You are either saved or unsaved that’s it
@@andriesbritz6061What god?
Guys I was being satirical. ‘Twas a joke.
If the women takes the RISK of getting pregnant WHY SHOULDNT she be responsible to birth the baby? In the real world if one takes a risk and it doesnt work out then one suffers the consequences but when it comes to pregnancy the baby has to suffer the consequences of the mothers risk???? Absolutely disgusting and God WILL JUDGE this evilness. God is just and these babies WILL GET THEIR JUSTICE.
my theological question would be; if a baby gets aborted at three weeks, is it going to heaven or what if it gets aborted one week after conception? Does that being go to heaven? i would guess YES its just hard picturing that
Cope.
The answer to your question is yes
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As a mother, the "my body, my choice" argument makes even less since than it did to me before having kids. DO you know how physically hard it is on your body to take care of an infant? The physical toll on a woman's breasts to feed her baby? All the sleepless nights, postpartum depression from crazy hormone shifts and lifestyle changes, arm going numb from holding your baby for hours, or getting poo and spit up on you? And then, when your you child is a litter older and you are getting literally hit and scratched by your small toddler because they don't know any better yet? If you follow you're "my body, my choice" to the ultimate conclusion, you would say you can kill your 3 month old child because its too hard on your body to take care of them. A firefighter could say "my body, my choice" and refuse to go into a burning building to save a family because he is running on no sleep and doesn't feel like it.
No.
When you have a helpless or endangered person dependent on you, whether you are a man or a woman, you have a moral obligation to do anything in your power to help, and not harm, that person. Anything less is the endangerment of another human being or murder.
Very black and white. I feel people don’t see it that way
You can be pro choice and pro life
How 😂
That doesn’t even make sense, you are contradicting yourself
In poor countries pro life or pro choice is not about ideology. Ideology is a fancy thing for them. It's about survival when the family can't afford to feed another mouth. I don't say that abortion is right, but just want you to see it from different a different perspective.
Just curious.. in such a society, would it be permissible for parents to end the life of a 2 year old child they couldn’t feed?
@@kellvey
I believe it's not permissible, but people or govt. officials may just turn a blind eye. The term for such practices is infanticide. You can find lots of information about it on Google.
Yeah abortions were super common for thousands or years, dating back even like 20k plus years ago where the amount of food the tribe had for a season dictated how many women were allowed to stay pregnant.
@causeyje5791, Lack of food causing a miscarriage is not an abortion, and no, abortions were not “super common” 20,000 years ago. You’re speaking nonsense.
For the sake of argument, let’s say they were common. Still doesn’t make it morally correct. Child sacrifice was common in various societies in the past. Still wrong.
@@kellvey
I believe it's not permissible, but people or govt. official might turn a blind eye. The practice of killing infants is infanticide and you can find lots of information about it on Google.
Why do you have to say grape, deleted etc, why can’t you say the actual words?
Because YT likes to censor things. Sometimes you have to watch what you say and speak in code.
Logan Paul is an inconsistent person. Do your research to understand who ur listening to. Pointless video.
I think Logan is a coward
I agree with Logan on this one .... I'm pro life but also let ppl decide for them self who tf are yall to say other wise ???
So the child in her womb has NO say first it’s life???
@@andriesbritz6061yea ok let the child in the womb decide..... smh let's be real here
@@andriesbritz6061yes let the child in w*mb decide ..... be real buddy