Thank you for differentiating "deconstruction". I found that I was on a sandy foundation, so regardless of how much I "deconstructed", I needed the foundation of the Catholic Church.
This is a very good example of why people are leaving protestantism for more structured denominations. So many gaps in understanding spoken so confidently.
@elijahperry3454 it's not intended to be uppity. I'm not here for conflict, nor am I going to go through point by point and list all the disagreements and conflicts with Scripture he expressed in this video. I don't have time. But these types of discussions and perspectives are literally what has driven me away from protestantism. If it works for you, power to you brother, I wish you the best.
Evangelical turned Catholic here: you can say you are guided by the Holy Spirit to interpret the Bible but what about when you disagree on sexuality? Communion? Baptism? These aren’t issues that you can ignore because one view is right and the other is wrong. Truth isn’t subjective, and I’m not smart enough to figure it out. Now my relationship with Christ isn’t only in my head, I get to dine with him at the heavenly table and hear his voice in confession. I know he is saying these things out of care, no judgement on his character. I hated Catholics for what they “did to the Gospel”
Sexuality is not a dogma Orthodox agree on contraception Pope francis in 2016 on zika virus case said that you can use contraception, so there are some interpretations of AL that allow for this development. the question should be asked what if church is wrong?
Yeah and when he said that the Bible said to take communion but never said how often to, my brain was pulling up sources and I thought, every single patristic source that talks about the Eucharist, say it was done weekly on Sunday in a liturgical setting
So you need the physical presence of a person to feel Gods presence. It’s ok that some people need that. We call that a therapist or a spiritual counselor but they cannot take Jesus’s place. You either believe in the Eucharist or you don’t. A human’s physical presence should not matter. You can not replace God with a human idol. You can be catholic that’s fine but work on also being a better Christian too. You just admitted you don’t feel God unless you are physically in another person’s presence. You just admitted that you don’t feel the Eucharist unless you see others dining along with you. So you admit to being a follower of man not Christ? It’s ok if you need guidance or a little micromanaging or that you are lonely. But both Catholics and Protestants who truly believe stand on their morals and beliefs. They don’t rely on the physical world to show them Gods existence they accept it. Your comment speaks to your own personal issues not of a Protestant one.
So, as a nondenominational myself, I agree with you that there are protestant churches that give too loose of an interpretation of scripture, and some go straight into blasphemy. I have to ask you a genuine question about the RCC practices. Pope Francis has been making some very strong claims. Claims that go against core Catholic beliefs. Giving blessings to homosexual marriages, allowing the communion of divorced and remarried couples, claiming all religions lead to God. In that case, how do you know that the Pope is wrong? Can he be wrong? From my understanding of the RCC, scriptures can not hold the Pope accountable because it's the RCC who interprets scriptures. The Pope is the head, so he has full authority in the matter unless he gets elected out. Tradition doesn't seem to solve the issue either. So if you KNOW for a fact that the Pope is wrong, then do you just do what he says until a new Pope is elected and hopefully reverses his obvious heresies? Seems really subjective, where I agree that truth is objective. Personally, I'm still convinced that scriptures, being the inspired word of God, still hold full authority. I'm open to having my mind changed, but I'm just not convinced. If the RCC helps you have a relationship with Christ, then Hallelujah, brother.
I did the exact opposite. The Catholic Church teaches that all religions are a path to God, which is in direct contradiction to the Bible and the teachings of Jesus that He is the only way to the Father. Another false teaching of the Catholic Church is that Muslims worship the one true God along with Christians, even though they claim Jesus is not God, never died on the cross or resurrected. Also, the current Pope is an absolute disgrace to Christianity with his constant heretical teachings.
So after Jesus died he went to hell and rescued some people. There were only so many people that took dinner with him. The murderer that was crucified right next to him was given passage to heaven by Jesus himself yet this murderer took no dinner with Jesus during the LAST super. The Bible mentions baptism but there were a few disciples who were not baptized but are said to have gone to heaven. Jesus while in hell could not have encountered many baptized people so who did he rescue from hell? In your ignorance you assume that Protestants don’t believe in baptism or the Eucharist. We do but we believe in the age of knowing that GOD speaks of in the Bible. The age where you can be held accountable for your decisions and based off that we believe this is how you can chose to be baptized. As for the Eucharist most Protestant churches believe in it. We do not believe in confession to any one other than Jesus but we do encourage spiritual counseling for people struggling with problems. The spiritual counselor is fully aware that they can’t take away sins and replace Jesus. We do not idolize or deify humans to replace Jesus. It is not a baby’s for dying young and never having the chance to be baptized. Jesus says all the children belong to him. A lot of was is in Catholicism is not canon, a bad game of telephone and used for political purposes. The inquisition was fun for no one. And making people pay money to be forgiven(indulgences) was and still is a sin. But the Catholics let that ride for hundreds of years. Even worse they created a schism intolerance and hatred that lasted centuries where upon Christians killed Christians and non believers without provocation. If the Catholic Church did its jobs correctly with the word of God and kept politics separate there would be no need for Protestants. We would all be simply known as Christians not orthodox vs Protestant. Jesus never killed or slaughtered non believers, never used the word heretic and he corrected those who were wrong. He was never that hateful and greedy.
Exactly they are physical means of Jesus grace on us. He doesn’t understand that. His center or worship is the Bible! Same thing with all Protestants , that’s the whole issue. That’s why the center of the church service is the sermon because that’s there worship but of course it’s wrong. The highest form of worship we can give to God is Jesus sacrifice on the cross which is what is represented at the mass.
@@user-lj3ku5yd1hJesus died once for all time and was offered up once for all time, never to be repeated again. This is very clearly stated in Hebrews and in Romans. When the earliest of Christians wrote about the Eucharist as a sacrifice, it is described as a sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving and prayer and a contrite heart devoted to God. The Eucharist was not spoken of as a sacrifice of propitiation. That language came later from Cyprian in the third century and onward.
@ we represent the same sacrifice bro lol. You demonstrated that you have no business in arguing cause you don’t even understand basic Catholic teaching
I decontructed my atheistic postmodernism after studying epistemology at college and wound up Catholic. So, yes "deconstruction" drove me to the Church of our Blessed Lord.
Red Flag, after 9 years of Catholic School then HS and i assume continuing mass every week it wasnt until the first week of seminary he realized about celibacy? That is extremely far fetched.
I don't think he is trying to argue, I think he is trying to give a personal testimony of his own experiences: how he got to where he is and the beliefs he holds. If it does not appeal to you, fair enough.
Didn't know that priests are required to be celibate when you went into the seminary after 9 years of Catholic school?! it sounds like you didn't embrace your faith at all.
If you know anything about J.P. he has an awesome testimony and loves Jesus. Sometimes God brings people to Jesus outside of the Catholic Church. Say what you will but so many people have struggled to understand the gospel within every tradition. You should honestly be embarrassed. How sad is it that you are the point where u are making fun of someone who didn’t have it all figured out but now loves Jesus.
@ I am not saying his love for Jesus is disingenuous, but it's frustrating when people say they were "catholic" but didnt actually own their faith, and then they use it in their testimony to say that "Catholicism is false" because it didnt give them a relationship with Jesus, when in fact, they didnt give it fair study and ask why they do the things they do.
@@noahaustin4954 ''Therefore, stand firm, brethren, and hold fast to the traditions that you have been taught, whether by word of mouth or by a letter of ours.'' Yeahh about that...
@@noahaustin4954 Almost like some things go hand in hand. The fact that so many people have interpreted it so differently only strengthens the idea of the magisterium.
The reason I deconstructed what protestants believe such as sola scriptura and faith alone is because some evangelicals/protestant Christians vattack Catholics. That lead me to a journey of questioning about authority, interpretation of scripture, as well as what do the earliest Christians believe before the reformation and how does God exactly wanted to be worship? After listening to Catholic apologetics, the misconception about the Catholic church, learning about the doctrines of the church which helped me understand certain passages such as John 6 and the entire book of Revelation, and learning the miracles of the Catholic church. After learning all of this about the Catholic church I have no choice other than to come back to the Catholic church. I've reverted to catholism ever since last years holly week.
The Catholic Church holds the fullness of truth. The Church has already settled the issues that are presented in this video. I pray that my protestant brothers and sisters would come home to the Church that Jesus founded.
I’ll speak for myself but I and many others did not convert to Catholicism because I “preferred the style” I converted because of the Eucharist, and THEN I realized the beauty of liturgy. Saying the sacraments are not scriptural and that liturgy is not scriptural makes me realize this man unfortunately did not know his faith, was never actually taught it, or never embraced it.
Yea, it becomes so hard to listen because a whole branch of people starting in the 1500s have some how rewritten history in their own minds. For me, it has become so hard to even listen to. Also, they claim to have such a great understanding of the Bible but the more I listen thr more I feel gas lit. Like to say that nothing like a Liturgy is in the bible?
I think he makes a good point that, at the personal level, it's necessary to strip away all the fluff and ensure your foundation is solid before being swayed by mere preferences. Personally, that's why despite considering Protestantism for a time, I've remained a Catholic.
Deconstruction is based on Enlightenment presuppositions, you don't have nearly as much ammo to "deconstruct" if you have clear Apostolic succession as RC and Orthodoxy do.
If you truly follow scripture then why don’t you believe in the Eucharist? Christ said eat my flesh and drink my blood not that the bread is a symbol of His flesh and that the blood can be substituted by grape juice as a symbol of His blood.
@ and what did the apostles responded? Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” 53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. Even the Jews were confused has to what he meant, how can one eat his flesh and drink his blood
Everything has its issue. Catholicism has its issues but the problem with the Protestant route in 2025 is everyone is their own pastor. With all of the information available online and via RUclips it is going to lead someone to believe that it doesn’t make sense to follow a group that can’t agree on beliefs. In addition Protestantism is mutating as we speak because of the internet and RUclips. So now people really are just following their favorite pastors.
Protestantism's real problem is an overemphasis on grace, where as Catholicism doesn't emphasize grace enough. Not to mention scores of unbiblical ideas. What you said is true as well, both sides are just following a man instead of Christ. Catholics follows the Pope and Bishops, Protestants often follow a dynamic Pastor.
@ Grace point is spot on. Following man is almost the same. With Catholicism the Pope and Bishops agree and teach the same doctrine vs a lot more free rein with Protestants. Protestants also believe their traditions are more biblical because they believe in sola scriptora but if you really look at it they are definitely more off. What happens is when they get shown the doctrine through the Bible they just say “I interpret that differently”. It’s a great way to get out being taught anything.
@ Individual Catholics have their own flavor for sure, but the priests and bishops are for the most part on the same page. Although Protestants do a good job of being in uniformity against Catholics they argue just as much maybe more with each other over teaching and interpretation of scripture. Everyone believes they have the right interpretation and since they don’t have any authority they are allowed to just preach whatever they believe. As a result of this Protestants are mostly attracted to whichever preacher sounds best to them as opposed to Christianity itself. Basically the Pastor who can give the best TED talk attracts the most followers.
Protestant here, but the original Christian gatherings were centered around communion. However, communion was an actual meal shared among believers, not a tiny piece of bread and sip of wine/juice.
Actually Paul said to the Corinthians to not do that. So no, it was not a “normal” meal during the Eucharist. And that “tiny peace of bread and wine (never grape juice)”, after the Priest consecrates them, they are the literal Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of OUR Lord Jesus Christ.
Well the love feasts kinda forced the church to make some changes. Paul warned the believers about drunkenness and gluttony during the love feasts. Eventually the Church stopped the practice because people were not honoring God.
For me, too many people go with a pack/group instead of Jesus and just being a follower. I know people who when you meet them, thier more excited to say I'm a catholic or whatever instead of a follower of Christ. Some people find their identity in a denomination instead of Christ, which is not the way to do it.
Yep. Most young men seem to be converting because they want to be a part of something that’s unapologetically traditional rather than postmodern. Fine but that seems more like wanting to join a pack/group vs being transformed by Christ.
@lohi172 Yes, I've seen that, too. The thing is I pray for then when they get in the church, it gives and shows them confidence in being a godly man and that their created in His image and that Christ is who their following not just a pastor or mentor which can be a good but Jesus is the standard.
To be Catholic is to be a follower of Christ. To say you are Catholic is to say you follow Jesus' church that He founded. So yes, it is exciting to say that you are Catholic, and it is also saying the same thing you are.
Here's something basic and straight forward in the Bible: Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you AND YOUR CHILDREN and for all who are far off - for all whom the LORD our God WILL call." So, we should baptize our babies right?
@anvton "Then Jesus said to her, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed at that moment." - Matthew 15:28 Young children under the age of reason (babies) don't have to repent because the authority over them is their parents like the woman above. Just as a wife is submitted to her husband, under Jesus Christ.
Baptism is the new circumcision which was done 8 days after the baby was born. Whole families were baptised in the book of Acts, safe to assume there were children and babies. Every aspect of Catholicism is scriptural, study fam....
The distinction that’s not being discussed is that of motivation. Deconstruction is motivated by the desire to conform God to his one’s own ideals. The desire to conform your theology to God is not the same. One of these things is not like the other.
As a Lutheran saying the Sacraments are not the means of grace reeks of Gnostisicm, it is extremely clear in scripture that both baptism and the Eucharist are 2 primary ways we receive and stay in grace. Because Jesus was God incarnate in human flesh, making the invisible God visible it is also true that his invisible grace has incarnated visible means. It was the gnostics that tried to remove the material components and just have the mental and spiritual components. The reason most of Protestantism sucks is because it is borderline gnostic in it's instance on ignoring the salvific nature of the sacraments sometimes going as far as calling them ordinances and offering them like once a year or something. At Lutheran church we celebrate the Mass by having the Eucharist every Sunday. But because a lot of protestants are more concerned with not looking Catholic instead of loving Jesus they get a lack luster form of Christianity that leaves people dry.
Hey, it's wonderful how Lutherans take the sacraments seriously and celebrate communion every Sunday - that's actually pretty awesome and shows their deep reverence for these sacred gifts. But most Protestant churches actually do believe the sacraments are means of grace - they just see them a bit differently than Lutherans do. Calling them Gnostic isn't really fair just cause they have a different take on it. And ya know, the frequency of communion varies a lot between churches - some do it weekly, others monthly, but that doesn't necessarily mean they value it less. It's more about their understanding of how best to observe it meaningfully. The whole "trying not to look Catholic" thing... that's probably oversimplifying it a bit. Most Protestant churches have their practices based on their interpretation of scripture, not just trying to be different from Catholics. I know we might see things differently on some points, but we're all trying our best to honor Christ in how we worship. God bless 🙂
If Protestantism was exclusively Lutheran and Anglican, I probably wouldn’t be on my journey to Catholicism now. I was raised Evangelical and my area has little to no Lutheran presence at all.
If Christ is the only authority then why are you quoting Saint James and Saint Paul, or is it because through the Church he established upon his Petros (Saint Peter) that we have the proper understanding of Christ Teachings
@@gregorysigl5626 if church is established through Petros, then why is Paul an authority as well? He is completely independent from Peter. Church in Rome wasn't created by Peter. Paul taught them. Proper understanding is open to whomever reads the Bible in irder to understand it. "When two or three is gathered in my name, I am among them".
Because before Christ ascended He had established how the church should be, with a pope, bishops and deacons. Also Saint Paul’s teachings didn’t contradict the fact that Saint Peter was the Pope. Scripture isn’t open to individual interpretation, when you say that you downplay the truth, because you are saying that if I interpret one way and you in another way we can both be right but we can’t, the Truth is a Person and His name is Jesus Christ, God is complete truth not many “truths” you sound like those people who say “my truth against your truth”. 2 Peter 1:20 says, "Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about BY THE PROPHETS OWN INTERPRETATION OF THINGS”
@christlivesevangelism9824 That verse from Peters letter is referring to the inspiration of scripture. Not that the only true interpreter is the Roman Church. “We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” 2 Peter 1:19-21 KJV
@@DartNoobo I don't understand your first question as I don't see why Paul wouldn't be an authority just because Peter was above him. Your premise doesn't seem to make sense. And I also don't get your bit about the church in Rome. Peter was Bishop of Rome, not sure what you think you're point there is assing to the topic. But what I actually wanted to ask was about the bible being open to be understood by anyone who reads it to do so. If you truly believe that, then are you saying protestants don't read the bible to understand it? If understanding is that open and easy, and every single one of them gets a different understanding, what is that saying in your theology? Only 1 interpretation is right, yet they all have different ones, and if the correct one is freely given to anyone who approaches the bible with a heart to understand it, then are you saying all the others don't have that heart? In your theology, why would you think protestants have thousands of different bible interpretations?
@christlivesevangelism9824 Did you forget about the prescribed title of elder, or are you replacing that with the unscriptural notion of a pope? Peter only ever refers to himself in scripture as the title of an elder. Specifically a "fellow elder," aka equal among elders. The hoarding of highest authority by papacy or Roman Catholicism is entirely unscriptural.
5:30 "it wasn't through the Sacraments" Baptism necessary for salvation John 3:5 5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. Romans 6:1-3 6 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? Eucharist necessary for salvation John 6:54-55 54 he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. Confession necessary for salvation John 20:22-23 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” 1 John 5:16-17 16 If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God[a] will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.
Worship is about God. It about feeling good. Also the whole a relationship with Jesus takes away all meaning of a church and community. As it just becomes whatever you want it to be. Which leads to some seriously weird things such as the Holy Spirit telling people to divorce. Or the fact that 73%of evangelicals hold Arian beliefs.
Something he's forgetting is the importance of apostolic tradition, that the faith transmitted by the apostles wasn't passed down only through the Bible. It's the apostolic tradition that also tells us how to live out our faith. He's also forgetting the authority given to the Church in Matthew 16:17-19 to bind and loose. All those things he mentions about how often to do communion and how to run a Church service, that's all things determined by the authority given to the Church to determine by Jesus. Anyway, good conversation and God bless.
For me it's quite simple. Grew up Evangelical, now 32, the more I read Scripture and study history, the more clear it is that the modern evangelical church service that revolves around a worship rock concert, personality preachers, and consumer-driven principles is not what Christianity has to be.
I agree with you, but Catholicism and Orthodoxy are also not what Christianity was to be. Find a Protestant church that maintains reverence in their services combined with strong adherence to scripture.
I really hope that Kirk and Knowles conversation opened peoples’ eyes. The evangelical movement leads to people handpicking pastors that fit what they want their ears to hear.
I left because of communion. I believe in Jesus words in the book of John. That led me to the faith. Why do you ignore Christ's command. He is truly present in the Eucharist. I choose the body and blood of Christ over a coffee shop. That's it. Period. Peace be with you and may you find your way to Christ's one true and holy Catholic Church. Amen.
Nevermind our Lord partook in the ceremonies of the temple and synagogue. The altar still exists, its just under the umbrella of the apostolic traditions. The rock concert with a lecture would be completely foreign to anyone prior to the early 20th century.
Been reading through these comments attacking Protestantism, and it's interesting how many miss what this pastor's actually saying about his deconstruction journey. He didn't just randomly abandon tradition - he started reading Scripture and noticed some real disconnects. Think about it... if tradition alone was reliable, how do we explain things like indulgences that even Catholics today admit were wrong? Or the fact that regular people weren't encouraged to read Scripture for centuries? This pastor's story hits home because he's talking about wrestling with real issues. When he discovered what the Bible actually teaches about salvation through faith alone, it changed everything. No more wondering if you've done enough, no more middle men between you and God. For those getting defensive... honest question: if the traditional system is infallible, why do so many people (including this pastor) find deeper truth when they start reading the Bible for themselves? Even Paul commended the Bereans for checking his teaching against Scripture. Pretty amazing how God uses His Word to open people's eyes, even when they're not looking for it 🤔
You sound like reading the Bible in Orthodoxy or Catholicism is forbidden. Actually we have tones of other scriptures that we acknowledge, like the books of the bible you call Apocrypha, or the testimony of lives of the Saints and their examples of abiding in the Holly Spirit etc. Shortly, if C.S. Lewis was an Orthodox Christian and if we quoted him as much as you guys do, after his death he would have been accepted as a Saint and celebrated at least one day in a year. We try to remember those whose names we strongly believe have been written in the book of life.
Indulgences aren’t wrong. Where did you get that idea? Luther believed in indulgences too. In fact, he believed in them so much he thought it was abominable people could *pay* for them. This is maybe what you’re remembering. *Paying* for indulgences is wrong. That’s like paying for God’s mercy. It can’t be done, even if corrupt churchmen say it’s possible.
@ I wasn't saying Catholics/Orthodox don't read Scripture - I was just pointing out the historical fact that for centuries, regular people weren't encouraged to interpret the Bible for themselves. That's not an attack, just history. And while church traditions and writings can be super helpful (including the Apocrypha!), there's still a big difference between finding them helpful and treating them as equal to Scripture. The Bible is God's inspired Word - everything else, however good, is commentary. When people start reading the Bible for themselves, they often discover truths that change their lives. That's what happened to this pastor, and honestly, that's pretty amazing
@ But there's still a bigger issue here. Even if Luther believed in them (and yes, his main beef was with selling them), the whole concept raises some questions: If Jesus paid it ALL on the cross (1 John 1:7), why would we need additional ways to deal with sin's punishment? It's like saying "thanks for the full refund, but let me pay a little extra just to be sure" 🤔 The Bible teaches that when we're forgiven, we're FULLY forgiven. No partial payments needed, no spiritual IOU's hanging around. That's what makes grace so amazing - it's complete! The real issue isn't just about whether indulgences were sold - it's about whether we need them at all when Christ's work on the cross is totally sufficient
not to mention the brutal persecution of anyone who questioned the authority of the church and all the anathemas attached to doctrines which aren't in scripture. Until Vatican II only Roman Catholics could even be saved. For 1500 years if you were outside the church you were damned. Roman Catholics thought Orthodoxy was damned and vice versa. It's only recently they've softened. It's still true, but they dance around it.
These mega church pastors know what they’re teaching is false and they know the Catholic Church is the truth but they just love the fame and money that pays for their lifestyle that they continue to lie to the masses of people leading them astray
I wouldn't say ALL mega churches. There are some true ones. You are making sound like there isn't even one. You are making a strawman unicorn fallacy comment
protestants trying to figure out why other protestants are leaving for Catholic/Orthodox mirrors their understanding of scripture in many ways. If you go to a Catholic or Orthodox church, and all you can deduce is a lack of rock style music and people standing snd kneeling, you have completely missed the point. People are having a real spiritual connection, and there is the real presence in the Eucharist. I am not a protestant who converted to Catholic, so it would be nice to see some replies from people who have made this journey and if it is simply you just like standing and kneeling a bunch of times. If Ruslan thinks this is reason, he is truely blind. Your communion is symbolic, by your own admission - you can do it every hour of the day, and it won't compare to the real sanctified Eucharist.
I also deconstructed - but from worldliness. I was out there sinning all over the place when the Holy Spirit started calling out to me every time I passed by the local church. It was the most gentle, subtle call ever. Once I came back to church, God DEFINITELY shook out of my head every idea I had about life and replaced them one by one with His truth. I chose to stay in the same church denomination I was raised in, but I don’t think that is what everyone has to do.
You have a misunderstanding what deconstruction is. It is just the process of analyzing old presumptions in light of new to you information. It shouldn't be scary. Your faith should be strong enough and healthy enough to incorporate new data that you didn't know before.
My deconstruction almost lead me to catholicism, then I realized Wes Huff, Ruslan and Gavin are all protestants. Still love my sister churches though. 🙏🏻
Yeah this guy has a the talking points that no one cares about, I've been so long in the internet listening to high level apologetics that I forgot how goofy these average pastors are. Also, I know this is a tired argument and protestants will just continue living in cognitive dissonance ignoring it but the councils that gave you the Bible were blessed by god when they put the Bible together but not on everything else they enshrined as tradition right? And who said that? Who said that Christianity is a "book" religion? Because that sounds pretty Islamic to me right? Right.
People who have no real relationship with God “converting” to a system that teaches JUST DO WHAT THE GUY IN THE HAT SAYS. As more “protestant” churches move further from any sort of biblical foundation, and rely of scripture fragments, the move to systems that only pay lip service to scripture is easy.
Non-denominational megachurch like services have become indistinguishable from secular entertainment in form, content, and venue. Liturgy has both survived and thrived for the last 2000 years because it embodies the sacred, or as St Augustine described the sacraments, "an outward and visible sign of an inward and invisible grace." People want more than the minimalist "me and my Bible" version of Christianity presented by your guest.
I'm a follower of Jesus Christ first and foremost. A Christian is the name given to me and most people like me. And thirdly a protestant baptist by church denomination which means nothing without the faith in my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ 🙏. Amen and Hallelujah ✝️
Deconstructors want full control over their salvation or at least partial control over it. They are rejecting a free gift given to us through Jesus Christ. There is nothing we can do to save ourselves because Jesus already did it. Deconstructors main downfall is pride.
These things weren’t all written down. Paul told us to keep his traditions that were either written ir spoken. Hence the orthodox have both. Which is why you have communion as much as possible. Or that you do full immersion baptism or to use leavened bread for the Eucharist.
God instituted the sacraments in order to heal us from the disease of our sins. Yeah throw out 2000 years of tools in the toolbox and make up your own ideas what scripture means. It makes everyone their own god.
In Latin America these types of Pastors are already disappearing... All they said is lies, I can reassure you that he never went to seminary and if he went he never studied what is to be Catholic, Jesus stablish the Sacraments and he never said you only need me to be on the cross and do nothing to be save....he promises that those who carry them crosses and walk the hard way will get to heaven and he even said those who eat his body and drink his blood will be save Jhon 6:52-68 very crucial that in the Bible in the book of Acts of the apostles is a very visible church and with sacraments and positions like Deacons, Priests and ordinations...nothing is from no where and Jesus will never divide his church, his body! Good luck protestants....soon you gonna face a very high decrease in numbers coz Catholics are awakening!!!!
If you listen to the becoming something podcast, read his book, and listen to a couple of his sermons, he’s actually incredibly knowledge and very wise + gives a lot of guidance. I’d suggest not making a comment like this about someone you barely know
In the story of Jesus' ministry, who were the ones arguing about rules and who was the holiest? Who was wanting to cast stones of judgement and what was Jesus' response? What is the whole of the law, according to Jesus?
God instituted priests in the Old and New Testament, the priests were corrupted, but priesthood is not overthrown because the Jewish priests of Jesus days corruption.
I disagree. Scripture says keep the Saabath Holy so get your butt to church once a week on the Sabbath. Next, Christ started a visible Chyrch of believers which was around for 40 years before thr first gospel and book of Acts was written. Thst Chur mch preserved Christ's authority That church is the Catholic Church. There is a reason why when you ask Google or Siri who started the Catholic Church, they say Jesus Christ. It's nit what we say or believe or feel about worship; it's what Chtist instituted and commanded
Ecumenical views like this have made their way into evangelical churches which is also driving us towards those churches who make it clear exactly why we are NOT United with Roman Catholicism. What ignorance. .
There's also a growing number who are deconstructing from stages and sermons to "organic" (sometimes home) church. People are looking for meaning and connection.
And right in the first sentence, the problem pops up that I have with many evangelical super-pastors. I was Catholic for x years and wanted to follow Jesus, but then there was a price tag on following him that said celibacy, and I wasn't prepared to pay that price. Do we really want pastors who give Jesus everything except sex and marriage? I don't think so. Second thing: Hey, I was Catholic, so I received the graces that the sacraments of baptism, communion, and confirmation give, but I don't understand how exactly these graces worked in my struggle with the world and that's why I'm denying my congregation precisely these sacraments that got me through this time. Aside from that, it speaks volumes that he didn't know until seminary that priests live celibate lives. As for worship, evangelicals wear the Bible like a breastplate, but really reading it.... The whole story in Exodus is not just about liberation from Egypt, but liberation to true worship. If God makes such a fuss about proper worship in the Old Testament, do you really think he doesn't care in the New Testament? Don't get me wrong. Singing evenings are great, but worship is different from singing pious songs. Worship requires sacrifice, and anyone who isn't prepared to sacrifice their sex life doesn't understand it.
I've noticed with deconstruction that it often tends to go that the person deconstructing had a very basic understanding of their own faith. You hear very similar stories from people who go from Catholicism/Orthodoxy to Protestantism and vice versa.
If Christ wanted to give us a book to exclusively live by, I think he could have written one in his 33 years. But he built a Church. And all the reformed Churches in the 1500s are definitely not it.
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Thank you for differentiating "deconstruction". I found that I was on a sandy foundation, so regardless of how much I "deconstructed", I needed the foundation of the Catholic Church.
This is a very good example of why people are leaving protestantism for more structured denominations. So many gaps in understanding spoken so confidently.
I have no idea what you’re talking about. But if you’re gonna sound uppity at least give some clarification
@elijahperry3454 it's not intended to be uppity. I'm not here for conflict, nor am I going to go through point by point and list all the disagreements and conflicts with Scripture he expressed in this video. I don't have time. But these types of discussions and perspectives are literally what has driven me away from protestantism. If it works for you, power to you brother, I wish you the best.
Seriously, this is the best comment here, his confidence is just crazy😂
"Preferences" - is a good example of the problems with sola scriptura.
Amen
Evangelical turned Catholic here: you can say you are guided by the Holy Spirit to interpret the Bible but what about when you disagree on sexuality? Communion? Baptism? These aren’t issues that you can ignore because one view is right and the other is wrong. Truth isn’t subjective, and I’m not smart enough to figure it out.
Now my relationship with Christ isn’t only in my head, I get to dine with him at the heavenly table and hear his voice in confession.
I know he is saying these things out of care, no judgement on his character. I hated Catholics for what they “did to the Gospel”
Sexuality is not a dogma
Orthodox agree on contraception
Pope francis in 2016 on zika virus case said that you can use contraception, so there are some interpretations of AL that allow for this development.
the question should be asked what if church is wrong?
Yeah and when he said that the Bible said to take communion but never said how often to, my brain was pulling up sources and I thought, every single patristic source that talks about the Eucharist, say it was done weekly on Sunday in a liturgical setting
So you need the physical presence of a person to feel Gods presence. It’s ok that some people need that. We call that a therapist or a spiritual counselor but they cannot take Jesus’s place. You either believe in the Eucharist or you don’t. A human’s physical presence should not matter. You can not replace God with a human idol. You can be catholic that’s fine but work on also being a better Christian too. You just admitted you don’t feel God unless you are physically in another person’s presence. You just admitted that you don’t feel the Eucharist unless you see others dining along with you. So you admit to being a follower of man not Christ? It’s ok if you need guidance or a little micromanaging or that you are lonely. But both Catholics and Protestants who truly believe stand on their morals and beliefs. They don’t rely on the physical world to show them Gods existence they accept it. Your comment speaks to your own personal issues not of a Protestant one.
So, as a nondenominational myself, I agree with you that there are protestant churches that give too loose of an interpretation of scripture, and some go straight into blasphemy. I have to ask you a genuine question about the RCC practices.
Pope Francis has been making some very strong claims. Claims that go against core Catholic beliefs. Giving blessings to homosexual marriages, allowing the communion of divorced and remarried couples, claiming all religions lead to God. In that case, how do you know that the Pope is wrong? Can he be wrong?
From my understanding of the RCC, scriptures can not hold the Pope accountable because it's the RCC who interprets scriptures. The Pope is the head, so he has full authority in the matter unless he gets elected out. Tradition doesn't seem to solve the issue either. So if you KNOW for a fact that the Pope is wrong, then do you just do what he says until a new Pope is elected and hopefully reverses his obvious heresies? Seems really subjective, where I agree that truth is objective.
Personally, I'm still convinced that scriptures, being the inspired word of God, still hold full authority. I'm open to having my mind changed, but I'm just not convinced. If the RCC helps you have a relationship with Christ, then Hallelujah, brother.
@@ashleighedwards3575 is your understanding that the body of Christ doesn’t need each other? If that is so, then His body is rather divided
I deconstructed my Evangelical beliefs when I realized it wasn’t working anymore. I am now convinced of Catholicism.
same I was the same person 15 years into protestant
I did the exact opposite. The Catholic Church teaches that all religions are a path to God, which is in direct contradiction to the Bible and the teachings of Jesus that He is the only way to the Father. Another false teaching of the Catholic Church is that Muslims worship the one true God along with Christians, even though they claim Jesus is not God, never died on the cross or resurrected. Also, the current Pope is an absolute disgrace to Christianity with his constant heretical teachings.
Come home to the Mother Church. The Catholic Church.
The sacraments are supposed to bring us closer to Jesus that’s why they are COMMANDS from God
How many sacraments are there?
So after Jesus died he went to hell and rescued some people. There were only so many people that took dinner with him. The murderer that was crucified right next to him was given passage to heaven by Jesus himself yet this murderer took no dinner with Jesus during the LAST super. The Bible mentions baptism but there were a few disciples who were not baptized but are said to have gone to heaven. Jesus while in hell could not have encountered many baptized people so who did he rescue from hell? In your ignorance you assume that Protestants don’t believe in baptism or the Eucharist. We do but we believe in the age of knowing that GOD speaks of in the Bible. The age where you can be held accountable for your decisions and based off that we believe this is how you can chose to be baptized. As for the Eucharist most Protestant churches believe in it. We do not believe in confession to any one other than Jesus but we do encourage spiritual counseling for people struggling with problems. The spiritual counselor is fully aware that they can’t take away sins and replace Jesus. We do not idolize or deify humans to replace Jesus. It is not a baby’s for dying young and never having the chance to be baptized. Jesus says all the children belong to him. A lot of was is in Catholicism is not canon, a bad game of telephone and used for political purposes. The inquisition was fun for no one. And making people pay money to be forgiven(indulgences) was and still is a sin. But the Catholics let that ride for hundreds of years. Even worse they created a schism intolerance and hatred that lasted centuries where upon Christians killed Christians and non believers without provocation. If the Catholic Church did its jobs correctly with the word of God and kept politics separate there would be no need for Protestants. We would all be simply known as Christians not orthodox vs Protestant. Jesus never killed or slaughtered non believers, never used the word heretic and he corrected those who were wrong. He was never that hateful and greedy.
Exactly they are physical means of Jesus grace on us. He doesn’t understand that. His center or worship is the Bible! Same thing with all Protestants , that’s the whole issue. That’s why the center of the church service is the sermon because that’s there worship but of course it’s wrong. The highest form of worship we can give to God is Jesus sacrifice on the cross which is what is represented at the mass.
@@user-lj3ku5yd1hJesus died once for all time and was offered up once for all time, never to be repeated again. This is very clearly stated in Hebrews and in Romans. When the earliest of Christians wrote about the Eucharist as a sacrifice, it is described as a sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving and prayer and a contrite heart devoted to God. The Eucharist was not spoken of as a sacrifice of propitiation. That language came later from Cyprian in the third century and onward.
@ we represent the same sacrifice bro lol. You demonstrated that you have no business in arguing cause you don’t even understand basic Catholic teaching
I decontructed my atheistic postmodernism after studying epistemology at college and wound up Catholic. So, yes "deconstruction" drove me to the Church of our Blessed Lord.
This was pretty good example of why people are deconstructing.
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Red Flag, after 9 years of Catholic School then HS and i assume continuing mass every week it wasnt until the first week of seminary he realized about celibacy? That is extremely far fetched.
I get he isn’t an apologist but this is not a good argument 💀
I don't think he is trying to argue, I think he is trying to give a personal testimony of his own experiences: how he got to where he is and the beliefs he holds. If it does not appeal to you, fair enough.
Didn't know that priests are required to be celibate when you went into the seminary after 9 years of Catholic school?! it sounds like you didn't embrace your faith at all.
Right what the heck 💀
His tone is too nonchalant for such a serious conversation.
If you know anything about J.P. he has an awesome testimony and loves Jesus. Sometimes God brings people to Jesus outside of the Catholic Church. Say what you will but so many people have struggled to understand the gospel within every tradition. You should honestly be embarrassed. How sad is it that you are the point where u are making fun of someone who didn’t have it all figured out but now loves Jesus.
@ I am not saying his love for Jesus is disingenuous, but it's frustrating when people say they were "catholic" but didnt actually own their faith, and then they use it in their testimony to say that "Catholicism is false" because it didnt give them a relationship with Jesus, when in fact, they didnt give it fair study and ask why they do the things they do.
Have you ever heard of a joke?
This guy is describing the process of deconstructing Christianity and rebuilding it in your own image
No he’s not. He’s describing building your life on the Bible not tradition.
@@noahaustin4954 ''Therefore, stand firm, brethren, and hold fast to the traditions that you have been taught, whether by word of mouth or by a letter of ours.''
Yeahh about that...
@@noahaustin4954 Almost like some things go hand in hand. The fact that so many people have interpreted it so differently only strengthens the idea of the magisterium.
The reason I deconstructed what protestants believe such as sola scriptura and faith alone is because some evangelicals/protestant Christians vattack Catholics. That lead me to a journey of questioning about authority, interpretation of scripture, as well as what do the earliest Christians believe before the reformation and how does God exactly wanted to be worship? After listening to Catholic apologetics, the misconception about the Catholic church, learning about the doctrines of the church which helped me understand certain passages such as John 6 and the entire book of Revelation, and learning the miracles of the Catholic church. After learning all of this about the Catholic church I have no choice other than to come back to the Catholic church. I've reverted to catholism ever since last years holly week.
Welcome home. I am a convert to Catholicism. Welcome to the Mother Church.
The Catholic Church holds the fullness of truth. The Church has already settled the issues that are presented in this video. I pray that my protestant brothers and sisters would come home to the Church that Jesus founded.
I’ll speak for myself but I and many others did not convert to Catholicism because I “preferred the style”
I converted because of the Eucharist, and THEN I realized the beauty of liturgy.
Saying the sacraments are not scriptural and that liturgy is not scriptural makes me realize this man unfortunately did not know his faith, was never actually taught it, or never embraced it.
Yea, it becomes so hard to listen because a whole branch of people starting in the 1500s have some how rewritten history in their own minds. For me, it has become so hard to even listen to. Also, they claim to have such a great understanding of the Bible but the more I listen thr more I feel gas lit. Like to say that nothing like a Liturgy is in the bible?
12-13 years of atheism only to come back to Jesus. ☦
I think he makes a good point that, at the personal level, it's necessary to strip away all the fluff and ensure your foundation is solid before being swayed by mere preferences. Personally, that's why despite considering Protestantism for a time, I've remained a Catholic.
Deconstruction is based on Enlightenment presuppositions, you don't have nearly as much ammo to "deconstruct" if you have clear Apostolic succession as RC and Orthodoxy do.
Granted. But convenience isn’t compelling enough to submit to traditions that aren’t scriptural.
If you truly follow scripture then why don’t you believe in the Eucharist? Christ said eat my flesh and drink my blood not that the bread is a symbol of His flesh and that the blood can be substituted by grape juice as a symbol of His blood.
@ Was the wine He served the apostles His blood?
@ and what did the apostles responded?
Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
Even the Jews were confused has to what he meant, how can one eat his flesh and drink his blood
Everything has its issue. Catholicism has its issues but the problem with the Protestant route in 2025 is everyone is their own pastor.
With all of the information available online and via RUclips it is going to lead someone to believe that it doesn’t make sense to follow a group that can’t agree on beliefs. In addition Protestantism is mutating as we speak because of the internet and RUclips. So now people really are just following their favorite pastors.
Protestantism's real problem is an overemphasis on grace, where as Catholicism doesn't emphasize grace enough. Not to mention scores of unbiblical ideas.
What you said is true as well, both sides are just following a man instead of Christ. Catholics follows the Pope and Bishops, Protestants often follow a dynamic Pastor.
@ Grace point is spot on. Following man is almost the same. With Catholicism the Pope and Bishops agree and teach the same doctrine vs a lot more free rein with Protestants. Protestants also believe their traditions are more biblical because they believe in sola scriptora but if you really look at it they are definitely more off. What happens is when they get shown the doctrine through the Bible they just say “I interpret that differently”. It’s a great way to get out being taught anything.
There are many priests and sects in Catholicism and many Catholics follow their favorite flavor. What point were you making here?
@ Individual Catholics have their own flavor for sure, but the priests and bishops are for the most part on the same page. Although Protestants do a good job of being in uniformity against Catholics they argue just as much maybe more with each other over teaching and interpretation of scripture. Everyone believes they have the right interpretation and since they don’t have any authority they are allowed to just preach whatever they believe. As a result of this Protestants are mostly attracted to whichever preacher sounds best to them as opposed to Christianity itself. Basically the Pastor who can give the best TED talk attracts the most followers.
Protestant here, but the original Christian gatherings were centered around communion. However, communion was an actual meal shared among believers, not a tiny piece of bread and sip of wine/juice.
What do the early church fathers say?
Actually Paul said to the Corinthians to not do that. So no, it was not a “normal” meal during the Eucharist. And that “tiny peace of bread and wine (never grape juice)”, after the Priest consecrates them, they are the literal Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of OUR Lord Jesus Christ.
@@PaoloMunoz What does Scripture say?
Well the love feasts kinda forced the church to make some changes. Paul warned the believers about drunkenness and gluttony during the love feasts. Eventually the Church stopped the practice because people were not honoring God.
For me, too many people go with a pack/group instead of Jesus and just being a follower. I know people who when you meet them, thier more excited to say I'm a catholic or whatever instead of a follower of Christ. Some people find their identity in a denomination instead of Christ, which is not the way to do it.
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Yep. Most young men seem to be converting because they want to be a part of something that’s unapologetically traditional rather than postmodern. Fine but that seems more like wanting to join a pack/group vs being transformed by Christ.
@lohi172 Yes, I've seen that, too. The thing is I pray for then when they get in the church, it gives and shows them confidence in being a godly man and that their created in His image and that Christ is who their following not just a pastor or mentor which can be a good but Jesus is the standard.
@@RubinParry Well said.
To be Catholic is to be a follower of Christ. To say you are Catholic is to say you follow Jesus' church that He founded. So yes, it is exciting to say that you are Catholic, and it is also saying the same thing you are.
Here's something basic and straight forward in the Bible:
Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you AND YOUR CHILDREN and for all who are far off - for all whom the LORD our God WILL call."
So, we should baptize our babies right?
Yes bc he was speaking to Jews about the fulfillment of circumcision in the New Covenant via Baptism
AFFIRMATIVE
But can babies repent?
@anvton
"Then Jesus said to her, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed at that moment." - Matthew 15:28
Young children under the age of reason (babies) don't have to repent because the authority over them is their parents like the woman above. Just as a wife is submitted to her husband, under Jesus Christ.
Baptism is the new circumcision which was done 8 days after the baby was born. Whole families were baptised in the book of Acts, safe to assume there were children and babies. Every aspect of Catholicism is scriptural, study fam....
The distinction that’s not being discussed is that of motivation. Deconstruction is motivated by the desire to conform God to his one’s own ideals. The desire to conform your theology to God is not the same. One of these things is not like the other.
As a Lutheran saying the Sacraments are not the means of grace reeks of Gnostisicm, it is extremely clear in scripture that both baptism and the Eucharist are 2 primary ways we receive and stay in grace. Because Jesus was God incarnate in human flesh, making the invisible God visible it is also true that his invisible grace has incarnated visible means. It was the gnostics that tried to remove the material components and just have the mental and spiritual components. The reason most of Protestantism sucks is because it is borderline gnostic in it's instance on ignoring the salvific nature of the sacraments sometimes going as far as calling them ordinances and offering them like once a year or something. At Lutheran church we celebrate the Mass by having the Eucharist every Sunday. But because a lot of protestants are more concerned with not looking Catholic instead of loving Jesus they get a lack luster form of Christianity that leaves people dry.
Hey, it's wonderful how Lutherans take the sacraments seriously and celebrate communion every Sunday - that's actually pretty awesome and shows their deep reverence for these sacred gifts. But most Protestant churches actually do believe the sacraments are means of grace - they just see them a bit differently than Lutherans do. Calling them Gnostic isn't really fair just cause they have a different take on it.
And ya know, the frequency of communion varies a lot between churches - some do it weekly, others monthly, but that doesn't necessarily mean they value it less. It's more about their understanding of how best to observe it meaningfully.
The whole "trying not to look Catholic" thing... that's probably oversimplifying it a bit. Most Protestant churches have their practices based on their interpretation of scripture, not just trying to be different from Catholics.
I know we might see things differently on some points, but we're all trying our best to honor Christ in how we worship. God bless 🙂
If Protestantism was exclusively Lutheran and Anglican, I probably wouldn’t be on my journey to Catholicism now. I was raised Evangelical and my area has little to no Lutheran presence at all.
If Christ is the only authority then why are you quoting Saint James and Saint Paul, or is it because through the Church he established upon his Petros (Saint Peter) that we have the proper understanding of Christ Teachings
@@gregorysigl5626 if church is established through Petros, then why is Paul an authority as well? He is completely independent from Peter. Church in Rome wasn't created by Peter. Paul taught them.
Proper understanding is open to whomever reads the Bible in irder to understand it. "When two or three is gathered in my name, I am among them".
Because before Christ ascended He had established how the church should be, with a pope, bishops and deacons. Also Saint Paul’s teachings didn’t contradict the fact that Saint Peter was the Pope. Scripture isn’t open to individual interpretation, when you say that you downplay the truth, because you are saying that if I interpret one way and you in another way we can both be right but we can’t, the Truth is a Person and His name is Jesus Christ, God is complete truth not many “truths” you sound like those people who say “my truth against your truth”.
2 Peter 1:20 says, "Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about BY THE PROPHETS OWN INTERPRETATION OF THINGS”
@christlivesevangelism9824 That verse from Peters letter is referring to the inspiration of scripture. Not that the only true interpreter is the Roman Church.
“We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”
2 Peter 1:19-21 KJV
@@DartNoobo I don't understand your first question as I don't see why Paul wouldn't be an authority just because Peter was above him. Your premise doesn't seem to make sense. And I also don't get your bit about the church in Rome. Peter was Bishop of Rome, not sure what you think you're point there is assing to the topic.
But what I actually wanted to ask was about the bible being open to be understood by anyone who reads it to do so. If you truly believe that, then are you saying protestants don't read the bible to understand it?
If understanding is that open and easy, and every single one of them gets a different understanding, what is that saying in your theology? Only 1 interpretation is right, yet they all have different ones, and if the correct one is freely given to anyone who approaches the bible with a heart to understand it, then are you saying all the others don't have that heart?
In your theology, why would you think protestants have thousands of different bible interpretations?
@christlivesevangelism9824 Did you forget about the prescribed title of elder, or are you replacing that with the unscriptural notion of a pope? Peter only ever refers to himself in scripture as the title of an elder. Specifically a "fellow elder," aka equal among elders. The hoarding of highest authority by papacy or Roman Catholicism is entirely unscriptural.
5:30 "it wasn't through the Sacraments"
Baptism necessary for salvation
John 3:5
5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Romans 6:1-3
6 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
Eucharist necessary for salvation
John 6:54-55
54 he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Confession necessary for salvation
John 20:22-23
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
1 John 5:16-17
16 If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God[a] will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.
Worship is about God. It about feeling good. Also the whole a relationship with Jesus takes away all meaning of a church and community. As it just becomes whatever you want it to be. Which leads to some seriously weird things such as the Holy Spirit telling people to divorce. Or the fact that 73%of evangelicals hold Arian beliefs.
Well worship is never about FEELING.
The Bible strictly says don’t rely on your feelings.
- Worship is about Transforming the Soul
@@AkhgyI think that’s what he meant to say; typo
Exactly. It is about God and showing him his worth. Aka worship. Not a concert or a gel good therapy session.
I deconstructed during Covid and became Orthodox. So glad I went to Greece in 2019 which was a subconscious stepping stone for looking into it further
Something he's forgetting is the importance of apostolic tradition, that the faith transmitted by the apostles wasn't passed down only through the Bible. It's the apostolic tradition that also tells us how to live out our faith. He's also forgetting the authority given to the Church in Matthew 16:17-19 to bind and loose. All those things he mentions about how often to do communion and how to run a Church service, that's all things determined by the authority given to the Church to determine by Jesus.
Anyway, good conversation and God bless.
For me it's quite simple. Grew up Evangelical, now 32, the more I read Scripture and study history, the more clear it is that the modern evangelical church service that revolves around a worship rock concert, personality preachers, and consumer-driven principles is not what Christianity has to be.
I agree with you, but Catholicism and Orthodoxy are also not what Christianity was to be. Find a Protestant church that maintains reverence in their services combined with strong adherence to scripture.
I really hope that Kirk and Knowles conversation opened peoples’ eyes. The evangelical movement leads to people handpicking pastors that fit what they want their ears to hear.
Also read the didache
Same, it was the book, after serious bible study and reading the apostolic fathers, that lead me to Orthodoxy last year
No offense, cuz he seems like a great pastor and nice guy, but he didn't answer the question at all.
Convert to the OG Church already lil homies
I left because of communion. I believe in Jesus words in the book of John. That led me to the faith. Why do you ignore Christ's command. He is truly present in the Eucharist. I choose the body and blood of Christ over a coffee shop. That's it. Period.
Peace be with you and may you find your way to Christ's one true and holy Catholic Church. Amen.
Nevermind our Lord partook in the ceremonies of the temple and synagogue. The altar still exists, its just under the umbrella of the apostolic traditions. The rock concert with a lecture would be completely foreign to anyone prior to the early 20th century.
Been reading through these comments attacking Protestantism, and it's interesting how many miss what this pastor's actually saying about his deconstruction journey. He didn't just randomly abandon tradition - he started reading Scripture and noticed some real disconnects.
Think about it... if tradition alone was reliable, how do we explain things like indulgences that even Catholics today admit were wrong? Or the fact that regular people weren't encouraged to read Scripture for centuries?
This pastor's story hits home because he's talking about wrestling with real issues. When he discovered what the Bible actually teaches about salvation through faith alone, it changed everything. No more wondering if you've done enough, no more middle men between you and God.
For those getting defensive... honest question: if the traditional system is infallible, why do so many people (including this pastor) find deeper truth when they start reading the Bible for themselves? Even Paul commended the Bereans for checking his teaching against Scripture.
Pretty amazing how God uses His Word to open people's eyes, even when they're not looking for it 🤔
You sound like reading the Bible in Orthodoxy or Catholicism is forbidden. Actually we have tones of other scriptures that we acknowledge, like the books of the bible you call Apocrypha, or the testimony of lives of the Saints and their examples of abiding in the Holly Spirit etc. Shortly, if C.S. Lewis was an Orthodox Christian and if we quoted him as much as you guys do, after his death he would have been accepted as a Saint and celebrated at least one day in a year. We try to remember those whose names we strongly believe have been written in the book of life.
Indulgences aren’t wrong. Where did you get that idea? Luther believed in indulgences too. In fact, he believed in them so much he thought it was abominable people could *pay* for them. This is maybe what you’re remembering. *Paying* for indulgences is wrong. That’s like paying for God’s mercy. It can’t be done, even if corrupt churchmen say it’s possible.
@ I wasn't saying Catholics/Orthodox don't read Scripture - I was just pointing out the historical fact that for centuries, regular people weren't encouraged to interpret the Bible for themselves. That's not an attack, just history.
And while church traditions and writings can be super helpful (including the Apocrypha!), there's still a big difference between finding them helpful and treating them as equal to Scripture. The Bible is God's inspired Word - everything else, however good, is commentary.
When people start reading the Bible for themselves, they often discover truths that change their lives. That's what happened to this pastor, and honestly, that's pretty amazing
@ But there's still a bigger issue here. Even if Luther believed in them (and yes, his main beef was with selling them), the whole concept raises some questions:
If Jesus paid it ALL on the cross (1 John 1:7), why would we need additional ways to deal with sin's punishment? It's like saying "thanks for the full refund, but let me pay a little extra just to be sure" 🤔
The Bible teaches that when we're forgiven, we're FULLY forgiven. No partial payments needed, no spiritual IOU's hanging around. That's what makes grace so amazing - it's complete!
The real issue isn't just about whether indulgences were sold - it's about whether we need them at all when Christ's work on the cross is totally sufficient
not to mention the brutal persecution of anyone who questioned the authority of the church and all the anathemas attached to doctrines which aren't in scripture. Until Vatican II only Roman Catholics could even be saved. For 1500 years if you were outside the church you were damned. Roman Catholics thought Orthodoxy was damned and vice versa. It's only recently they've softened. It's still true, but they dance around it.
These mega church pastors know what they’re teaching is false and they know the Catholic Church is the truth but they just love the fame and money that pays for their lifestyle that they continue to lie to the masses of people leading them astray
I wouldn't say ALL mega churches. There are some true ones. You are making sound like there isn't even one. You are making a strawman unicorn fallacy comment
That’s rich when Catholics listen to the Pope in his lavish Church asking people to kiss the ring.
@@PlaceForFaith so much ignorance...It's like you haven't even read Pastor Aeternus from the First Vatican Council defining papal infallibility.
Bro answered that question in no way shape or form. Would be a perfect politician.
Evangelicals talk a lot but they don’t say much.
protestants trying to figure out why other protestants are leaving for Catholic/Orthodox mirrors their understanding of scripture in many ways. If you go to a Catholic or Orthodox church, and all you can deduce is a lack of rock style music and people standing snd kneeling, you have completely missed the point. People are having a real spiritual connection, and there is the real presence in the Eucharist. I am not a protestant who converted to Catholic, so it would be nice to see some replies from people who have made this journey and if it is simply you just like standing and kneeling a bunch of times. If Ruslan thinks this is reason, he is truely blind. Your communion is symbolic, by your own admission - you can do it every hour of the day, and it won't compare to the real sanctified Eucharist.
50 year old Ruslan and I’m here for it😊
This is exactly why Orthodoxy is growing. Thank God ✝️☦️✝️
I also deconstructed - but from worldliness. I was out there sinning all over the place when the Holy Spirit started calling out to me every time I passed by the local church. It was the most gentle, subtle call ever. Once I came back to church, God DEFINITELY shook out of my head every idea I had about life and replaced them one by one with His truth. I chose to stay in the same church denomination I was raised in, but I don’t think that is what everyone has to do.
The comments did not disappoint 😂. Love you all my Catholic brothers and sisters.
How you practice is how you believe
You have a misunderstanding what deconstruction is. It is just the process of analyzing old presumptions in light of new to you information. It shouldn't be scary. Your faith should be strong enough and healthy enough to incorporate new data that you didn't know before.
For these reasons I'm in a Dutch reformed/presbyterian liturgical love it.
My deconstruction almost lead me to catholicism, then I realized Wes Huff, Ruslan and Gavin are all protestants. Still love my sister churches though. 🙏🏻
So you went ahead and followed men and not the Church Jesus gave you through the Apostles and their successors?
@ My dedication towards my denomination is inspired, by the faithful men of the church, just like yours.
@@ryandejager7485what church you go to?
Notice he keeps saying "me, I".....no authority
Yeah this guy has a the talking points that no one cares about, I've been so long in the internet listening to high level apologetics that I forgot how goofy these average pastors are.
Also, I know this is a tired argument and protestants will just continue living in cognitive dissonance ignoring it but the councils that gave you the Bible were blessed by god when they put the Bible together but not on everything else they enshrined as tradition right? And who said that? Who said that Christianity is a "book" religion? Because that sounds pretty Islamic to me right? Right.
People who have no real relationship with God “converting” to a system that teaches JUST DO WHAT THE GUY IN THE HAT SAYS. As more “protestant” churches move further from any sort of biblical foundation, and rely of scripture fragments, the move to systems that only pay lip service to scripture is easy.
Non-denominational megachurch like services have become indistinguishable from secular entertainment in form, content, and venue. Liturgy has both survived and thrived for the last 2000 years because it embodies the sacred, or as St Augustine described the sacraments, "an outward and visible sign of an inward and invisible grace." People want more than the minimalist "me and my Bible" version of Christianity presented by your guest.
Eh. Great reminder of why I’m not a Protestant. Thanks be to God for the Church and the sacraments.
I'm a follower of Jesus Christ first and foremost. A Christian is the name given to me and most people like me. And thirdly a protestant baptist by church denomination which means nothing without the faith in my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ 🙏. Amen and Hallelujah ✝️
Deconstructors want full control over their salvation or at least partial control over it. They are rejecting a free gift given to us through Jesus Christ. There is nothing we can do to save ourselves because Jesus already did it. Deconstructors main downfall is pride.
I don’t understand what they mean by deconstruction… for me, it’s about deep analyzing so not sure how it drives people away from what they believe…
Can someone please explain? What is this particular process of deconstructing?
Many of the evangelical pastors I have known were former Roman Catholics.
“You rebuild what you think Christianity is” 🤨
This pastor should talk to the voice of reason.
Watching this guy made me wanna deconstruct so bad.
The real OGs just stand. Non of this sitting stuff. ☦️😉
These things weren’t all written down. Paul told us to keep his traditions that were either written ir spoken. Hence the orthodox have both. Which is why you have communion as much as possible. Or that you do full immersion baptism or to use leavened bread for the Eucharist.
God instituted the sacraments in order to heal us from the disease of our sins. Yeah throw out 2000 years of tools in the toolbox and make up your own ideas what scripture means. It makes everyone their own god.
I’m starting rcia this year. Feel like something is missing
talk to priest about it
Did anyone get “I grew up in a middle class family” vibes from this guy.😂
Like button SMASHED!🫡
Dude the whole book of Revelation is about the heavenly liturgy of which we are participating in according to Hebrews 11-12 lol.
Who chose the Books of the Bible...?
In Latin America these types of Pastors are already disappearing... All they said is lies, I can reassure you that he never went to seminary and if he went he never studied what is to be Catholic, Jesus stablish the Sacraments and he never said you only need me to be on the cross and do nothing to be save....he promises that those who carry them crosses and walk the hard way will get to heaven and he even said those who eat his body and drink his blood will be save Jhon 6:52-68 very crucial that in the Bible in the book of Acts of the apostles is a very visible church and with sacraments and positions like Deacons, Priests and ordinations...nothing is from no where and Jesus will never divide his church, his body! Good luck protestants....soon you gonna face a very high decrease in numbers coz Catholics are awakening!!!!
It’s not biblical?how is he a pastor ? How is he feeding Christ flock ?
This dude seems like a fraud, in my humble opinion.
If you listen to the becoming something podcast, read his book, and listen to a couple of his sermons, he’s actually incredibly knowledge and very wise + gives a lot of guidance.
I’d suggest not making a comment like this about someone you barely know
In the story of Jesus' ministry, who were the ones arguing about rules and who was the holiest? Who was wanting to cast stones of judgement and what was Jesus' response? What is the whole of the law, according to Jesus?
God instituted priests in the Old and New Testament, the priests were corrupted, but priesthood is not overthrown because the Jewish priests of Jesus days corruption.
Where does scripture say to elevate scripture?
Where does scripture say trinity? See how unwise an argument this is?
(6:15)Probably should go read revelation 8…
I disagree. Scripture says keep the Saabath Holy so get your butt to church once a week on the Sabbath. Next, Christ started a visible Chyrch of believers which was around for 40 years before thr first gospel and book of Acts was written. Thst Chur mch preserved Christ's authority
That church is the Catholic Church. There is a reason why when you ask Google or Siri who started the Catholic Church, they say Jesus Christ. It's nit what we say or believe or feel about worship; it's what Chtist instituted and commanded
Ecumenical views like this have made their way into evangelical churches which is also driving us towards those churches who make it clear exactly why we are NOT United with Roman Catholicism. What ignorance. .
There's also a growing number who are deconstructing from stages and sermons to "organic" (sometimes home) church. People are looking for meaning and connection.
Here they come.... In the comments
And right in the first sentence, the problem pops up that I have with many evangelical super-pastors.
I was Catholic for x years and wanted to follow Jesus, but then there was a price tag on following him that said celibacy, and I wasn't prepared to pay that price. Do we really want pastors who give Jesus everything except sex and marriage? I don't think so.
Second thing: Hey, I was Catholic, so I received the graces that the sacraments of baptism, communion, and confirmation give, but I don't understand how exactly these graces worked in my struggle with the world and that's why I'm denying my congregation precisely these sacraments that got me through this time.
Aside from that, it speaks volumes that he didn't know until seminary that priests live celibate lives.
As for worship, evangelicals wear the Bible like a breastplate, but really reading it.... The whole story in Exodus is not just about liberation from Egypt, but liberation to true worship. If God makes such a fuss about proper worship in the Old Testament, do you really think he doesn't care in the New Testament?
Don't get me wrong. Singing evenings are great, but worship is different from singing pious songs. Worship requires sacrifice, and anyone who isn't prepared to sacrifice their sex life doesn't understand it.
I've noticed with deconstruction that it often tends to go that the person deconstructing had a very basic understanding of their own faith. You hear very similar stories from people who go from Catholicism/Orthodoxy to Protestantism and vice versa.
Maybe coz catholic and eastern is first century church and apostolic and not man made
Sola scriptura strikes again.
Woof
The irony of this video. Lol
Considering all the work y’all Catholics gotta do to hopefully maybe make it into heaven, y’all got no time for RUclips videos or comments.
I always hear prots refer to Christ as “that man on the cross” and other variations of that in passing conversations and it really irks me.
Who the heck are you talking to. I've never heard such phrase in my whole life in the prot church
If Christ wanted to give us a book to exclusively live by, I think he could have written one in his 33 years. But he built a Church. And all the reformed Churches in the 1500s are definitely not it.