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  • @VBirchwood
    @VBirchwood  Год назад +11

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    Thanks so much for watching! I hope you've enjoyed this fun format and I'll see you all in two weeks for another video 🥰

  • @Mellimaus02
    @Mellimaus02 Год назад +131

    I think Tewkesburys floral waistcoat could have been an intentional nod to his interest in botany. He is so in love with plants, it would totally be in character for him to wear something out of fashion, at least fabric wise, as long as it means he is surrounded with flowers 😅

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +27

      Oooo that’s a really great observation, thanks! 😊

    • @CaitlynGo
      @CaitlynGo Год назад +2

      That’s exactly what I thought as well! It’s my favorite outfit of his in the movie bc I love flowers ☺️

  • @laurawilliams7782
    @laurawilliams7782 Год назад +70

    The other thing I have heard about extras is that they will hire re-enactors with their own wardrobes sometimes, which is the other way you get more 'accurate' background chars. But I'm not sure which countries or time periods that happens with.

    • @Teverell
      @Teverell Год назад +11

      Having been a reenactor, yes this is true to some degree. Both the 2004 Vanity Fair and the Sharpe episode Sharpe's Regiment had Napoleonic Wars reenactors, though I don't believe they used their own uniforms in either case.

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +1

      This makes a lot of sense 😊

    • @mastersnet18
      @mastersnet18 Год назад +2

      That’s really cool! That sounds like a dream job to me!

    • @kikidevine694
      @kikidevine694 Год назад +2

      A lot of English Civil War reenactors end up in 17th century productions

  • @JustSaralius
    @JustSaralius Год назад +39

    I feel like one thing we often forget when we review historical movies for accuracy etc. is that not everyone is fashionable. Not now and not back in "olden times" either. There are so many anecdotes and picture/film evidence out there of people dressing unfashionably, people who dress practical with no interest in fashion or people who try but fail to put something together in a nice-looking way. It really makes you realise how much we are still the same people and how fashion was never so all-consuming and uniform as we often like to think.
    It's so easy to get stuck in the "this and that doesn't look like anything from the fashion-plates from this time" kind of mentality and forgetting that human existence was never a fashion-plate and that real people weren't and aren't dressed accordingly.

    • @SarahK86
      @SarahK86 Год назад +1

      Amen to that

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +24

      It’s very true! I try to take this approach. I feel like generally though, when people weren’t dressed fashionably, they would have been dressed in older styles, rather than cutting edge future styles. For instance, in 1885, someone not fashionable may have worn some version of 1878 clothing. But this is why I also argue that we all have a very limited view of fashion history and that’s why “historical accuracy” is kind of a loaded term, because so often we find examples of garments that don’t fit the narrative of what the fashion was for the time, and that challenges our beliefs. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg because that’s only what we have still in existence. Not to mention the endless working class garments that we’ve lost to time, so we have a very unclear view of what 98% of people wore in Britain. And then even further than that, what people wore in other places outside of America/Britain. I’ve been researching my ethnic fashion (Tatar) quite heavily and I am constantly surprised by garments.

  • @shevaunhandley1543
    @shevaunhandley1543 Год назад +26

    I knew it wasn't going to be accurate in any way, but they still managed the right sorts of silhouette, even with Helena not wearing a corset! Loved the movie, so much fun

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +6

      It was definitely a fun movie, and I really enjoyed the costumes as well! 😊

    • @espeon871
      @espeon871 Год назад +6

      Even if she didnt wear a corset ig its still acurrate cuz there where people who didnt wear corsets back in the day, cuz they had the overall accuracy

  • @Vintagebursche
    @Vintagebursche Год назад +3

    Thanks for having me again! It's always a pleasure.

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +1

      Thanks so much Niklas! It was great to have you! 😊

  • @baharpiena9246
    @baharpiena9246 Год назад +32

    I love clothing in movies that not persé historical accurete. I look for a mix form between modern and historical clothing for my daily wear. I wonder if other people looking for the same thing, because I feel most looking for the "real" deal.

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +6

      Oh absolutely lots of people look for a mix of the two! 🥰 historical anachronism is really fun to play around with.

  • @anieth
    @anieth Год назад +32

    Another fun video! I'm glad you're tying the community together. I love Vintageburshe. It's so cool to see men getting involved. You, m'dear, are channeling Victorian times very well!

  • @JustSaralius
    @JustSaralius Год назад +9

    I've also heard somewhere (might have been Jimmy who said it? Idk) that extra's in historical movies are actually sometimes hired reenactors, so they have their own clothes which are oftentimes highly researched and invested in by the extras themselves.

  • @TheSeattleStitcher
    @TheSeattleStitcher Год назад +22

    Lol, so I recently binge watched your videos so when you said the “yes I said that joke before” about the tea party it was extra funny since I just saw the episode last week. Hope you have a nice weekend!

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +2

      Hahahaha, what perfect timing! 🤣 I’m really glad that joke was actually funny to someone lol. Hope you have a nice weekend too! 😊

    • @TheSeattleStitcher
      @TheSeattleStitcher Год назад +1

      @@VBirchwood LOL ✨chefs kiss✨

  • @bethliebman8169
    @bethliebman8169 Год назад +12

    Well, this was fun! I love it when clothing historians' critique how well a historically set movie does on the clothing styles. I would love it if you two could do the same kind of analysis on PBS' Miss Scarlet and the Duke. I like how Miss Scarlet is generally in one daytime look throughout the episode. Love your videos.

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +2

      Thanks so much Beth! I have seen Miss Scarlet and the Duke, but I’ll have to check it out 😊

  • @williame6455
    @williame6455 Год назад +4

    About the extra having better costumes, often it is because they are hired with their costume. They are the same people doing reenactment during their free time. In Europe it is quite strict on being accurate and we have hundreds of people very dedicated on accuracy and recreating the perfect outfit, and for a lot of different periods. It's cheaper for the producers and the extras are usually very proud to show their costumes (often homemade) on a set... So it is not rare to see the reenactment companies called for already dressed extra for movies.

  • @CherryBlossomHill
    @CherryBlossomHill Год назад +7

    I hadn’t seen Gibson Girl like sleeves in a knitted garment before, they call them balloon sleeves now and are very popular in the indie Scandinavian knit wear design community on Instagram right now. Very well done review!! ❤❤

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +6

      Pretty cool right?! In this case they’re leg of mutton sleeves, and they just follow the usual silhouette of the mid-1890s. They appear in knitwear I think because it was a fashionable shape during that period.

  • @cherylspear1633
    @cherylspear1633 Год назад +1

    Another great video, for sure. I love that you included Vintageburshe's expertise for the men's costumes. The information that you provided about the extras often appearing more historically accurate makes so much sense. I've often heard comments in reviews about how the extras look more accurate than main characters. Now, it makes sense! Thanks again for sharing with us.

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +1

      Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed the video 🥰

  • @henriettanovember4733
    @henriettanovember4733 Год назад +21

    I find this "reform-dress" aesthetic very interesting. May I ask if you know more about it? I have tried to find out more but without much success.

    • @svetlana7579
      @svetlana7579 Год назад +4

      Karolina Zebrowska has a video about this, and Abby Cox might have one about it too. if you want, i can try to find the videos and put the links in this comment.

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +4

      There are some really good blogs written about it as well on Google, some done by witness2fashion for instance, with great images and sources too.

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +1

      @@svetlana7579 sadly links get taken down by RUclips if they’re in comments to prevent spam 🥺

    • @svetlana7579
      @svetlana7579 Год назад

      @@VBirchwood oh, i didn't know that, but it's understandable since bots can be annoying. thank you!!

    • @henriettanovember4733
      @henriettanovember4733 Год назад +2

      @@VBirchwood Thank you so much for taking time!

  • @audriscarborough9309
    @audriscarborough9309 Год назад +3

    This was a fun and interesting video. I enjoyed learning more about the little things in 1985 clothing from both of you. You do ( as always ) such a wonderful job at saying what you like, don't like or what is historically correct, without being disrespectful of the people who created the costumes. I learned some interesting things about how the ( armscye?) arms eye can give you a clue to the year it belongs in, by how high it sits on theshoulder. I found the facts about menswear very interesting! I am fascinated about all the items of clothing that were knitted!
    There was a certain part in this video that I just had to giggle, and re-watch, the sponsor part!! Detective Vasi did a great job 😄 as a sponsor.
    Sincerely,
    Audri

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +1

      Thank you so much Audri! Glad you enjoyed the video 🥰

  • @UNknown-sd3ki
    @UNknown-sd3ki Год назад +1

    40k subs congrats

  • @isabellaferretti7279
    @isabellaferretti7279 Год назад +1

    That was a lot of fun and always interesting to hear your and @vintagebursche's views. My favourite outfit you showed was the nightgown and shawl with Enola's hair in days ( I almost wore same outfit out the other Sunday lol) I adore that red dress with the lacing across that you showed us when mentioning the standing collar.

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +1

      So glad you enjoyed the video Bella! 🥰 that lace front dress is super pretty, I agree, and kind of an unusual specimen I’d say too for the bustle era

  • @ericalarochelle3779
    @ericalarochelle3779 Год назад +1

    I enjoyed seeing the collaboration with Vintagebursche! I would like to see more commentary and exploration of historic menswear, particularly workwear; are you familiar with any other commentators?

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +2

      Really glad you enjoyed the video! There is sadly very few resources, but I would greatly recommend Giacomo Lamanuzzi on Instagram as he wears a lot of working class mens clothing day to day and also speaks a lot about it on his profile 😊

    • @ericalarochelle3779
      @ericalarochelle3779 Год назад +1

      @@VBirchwood I am familiar with him, he has a showcase of great coats on RUclips as well that I quite enjoyed!

  • @catherinejustcatherine1778
    @catherinejustcatherine1778 Год назад +1

    Thank you for another lovely video.
    I'm so glad you are continuing to get sponsors! 🙂 I do hope that the two additional ads were your choice, not something "someone else" added to your well put together persentation.

  • @MichelleSMV
    @MichelleSMV Год назад +2

    I hadn’t watched the film before this video came out so I had to wait to watch it 😆 but I’m glad I did. I thought the costumes were really well done but I think a lot of liberties may have been taken to portray the characters more so than for period accuracy. But I do sort of like that some things are sort of modern because maybe it’ll encourage more ppl to have an interest in historical fashion or history bounding

  • @jocelynleung7480
    @jocelynleung7480 Год назад +3

    Subscribed to vintagebursche!

  • @carolyng5235
    @carolyng5235 Год назад +2

    Overall, they seem to have done a respectable recreation of clothing from the general time period. Kudos for that! But, I've never understood the insistence on hatless fallen woman hair in recent historical dramas. It is jarring to me, and detracts from the put together historical look. Even working class women would wear their hair put up with some kind of hat, bonnet, or kerchief when out in public. A nice updo would actually make the lead actresses look more attractive. Thanks for the video, and for inviting Vintagburshe!

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +1

      I think the fallen hair works with Enola’s mother’s and Enola’s characters in this film, since they’re so wild and free, but it does definitely irk me a bit too when I see hair down in films that are trying extremely hard to be as historically accurate as possible, and then hair is hatless or not put up at all in most of the scenes. It seems like a simple way to really immerse viewers in that world a little bit more. There’s nothing wrong, of course, with historical inaccuracy but if a film’s entire intention is to be as historically accurate as possible, it just seems like a simple change to put hair into updos.

  • @therewillbecatswithgwenhwyfar
    @therewillbecatswithgwenhwyfar Год назад +2

    One would think that with the availability of companies like prior attire (who can whip out a Victorian dress in a day,) that they would’ve done a better job in these historical-ish shows.

    • @therewillbecatswithgwenhwyfar
      @therewillbecatswithgwenhwyfar Год назад

      That was super interesting!

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +2

      Glad you enjoyed the video! I think in this case they were really going for anachronism, and I personally feel like it works!

  • @kb3716
    @kb3716 Год назад +1

    You two were absolutely delightful! V, darling and intelligent as usual. Niklas, very interesting and handsome. I look forward to checking out your channel. Kudos to you both!

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +1

      Thank you so much KB! 😊

  • @imahimfan
    @imahimfan Год назад +2

    This movie was a delight! And i totally noticed the secret pants

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +1

      They were a nice sneak in! 🥰

  • @LixiaWinter
    @LixiaWinter Год назад +1

    Sewing game - do one(1) stitch every time Niklas says "fancy", and by the end of the video you would finish a UFO that was bothering you so much

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +1

      It’s an apt word for the movie’s gents! 🥰🤣

  • @SimpleDesertRose
    @SimpleDesertRose Год назад +1

    I live historical movies, how every accurate it inaccurate they may be costume wise. The fact they they made any attempt to even look historically correct is enough for me. However much as I love the "shelf butt" as Karolina would call it, if the second bustle era i'm not sure I could personally tolerate that much clothing to support the look. A look like that has to have all the proper undergarments to hold the look in place then all the weight if the skirts is a lot. I love the look but it would be too much for me to put on. But again this is what I love about these movies as that we got to see the look without going to the effort to put it on. Even with my daughter's dress for the dance she went to last weekend it was a lot to put together. The silk over skirt the attached petticoat and the lining piece with the boning was a lot of work to do in a short period if time. While it turned out beautifully and everyone is expecting something every bit as grand if not more so for the next one. I can certainly understand the costumers doing the best they can in the time they have. They may not get the luxury of time to properly research what was worn exactly when. You can go to Pinterest and type in 1885 fashion and get fashion plates from all over. The head designer will probably say ok this, this, and this look we can pull of in x amount of time and still look fabulous on screen. For me that's what counts. Historically accurate or not the costumes are the selling point for me. Its a chance to see a certain look come to life and some people back the probably couldn't handle a high neck collar all the time. And chose to fold it down. I for one can't stand a high collar on my neck. I would pull on it and probably ruin the collar. I nearly did with my band uniform in school. At was a struggle to get through the parades for me because the coat hooked right at the neck and had a high collar. It made it worse that it rubbed against my neck when ever I had to raise my arms to play. I'm sore there were people like that back then too and I think it make the characters more relatable if they had a certain thing they do just a little different in society. Like those of us who used more historical clothing in daily wear. Anyways that was fun look at the fashions for the movie. See you next week. 💕

  • @makeda6530
    @makeda6530 Год назад +1

    I have a soft spot for this era so this video will be fun~.
    Seeing some of these costumes reminds me why I love this era.

  • @Pharaoh_Tutankhamen
    @Pharaoh_Tutankhamen Год назад +1

    A balance between historical and modern is a cool concept, allows for the boring aspects to be dropped, and just about anything goes afta dat

  • @LiljaHusmo
    @LiljaHusmo Год назад +1

    Not seen it yet, but I couldn't wait to watch your video hahaha, I agree the ballgown looks lovely the shillhouette is very nice!

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +1

      Awww so sweet 🥹🥰 they did a great job on the ball gown!

  • @charlinethom1624
    @charlinethom1624 Год назад +1

    Her ballgown has to be my favorite, very elegant and beautiful that fits into the time period.

  • @kirstenpaff8946
    @kirstenpaff8946 Год назад +1

    I think 1890s fashion has become costuming shorthand for young/independent/feminist female character for any show set between 1870 and 1910. Presumably, this is because the silhouette reads as a lot more modern and relatable (so long as there are no balloon sleeves) than the decades surrounding the 1890s.
    It also seems to be quite common for costume designers to use multiple decades of fashion for inspiration. Older or more conservative characters are put in fashions that have been out of style for a few years. Younger, more rebellious, or nouveau riche characters are put in outfits that are a few years ahead of their time. When the time range is kept reasonably small (+/- 10 years), it usually works, but when you start having wealthy characters dressing 40 years out of fashion it does get rather ridiculous.

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +1

      I’ve definitely noticed a lot of these observations you’ve made too! Thanks for sharing your perspective on it all 😊

  • @theglitterballlifestyle675
    @theglitterballlifestyle675 Год назад

    Your new coat looks so dapper!!

  • @stevefranklin9176
    @stevefranklin9176 Год назад

    V just listened to you History Repeats song. I’ve no doubt this has been mentioned to you before, however you have an amazing voice that would lend itself creatively to Jazz.

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +2

      Thank you! I primarily sing jazz actually! I used to perform it 2-3 nights a week.

    • @stevefranklin9176
      @stevefranklin9176 Год назад +1

      @@VBirchwood oh wonderful. Thanks for your reply.

  • @jimmywormwood9687
    @jimmywormwood9687 Год назад

    I knew there was no way that blue suit was historically accurate and it doesn't match the other costumes in the film but it looked so cool, damn it.

  • @alandormire4587
    @alandormire4587 Год назад +4

    Good to see Victor. I hope he can start uploading more content, as we do not have a lot for vintage menswear out there.

    • @Vintagebursche
      @Vintagebursche Год назад

      Who?

    • @alandormire4587
      @alandormire4587 Год назад +1

      @@Vintagebursche Sorry Nicklas. I will try to her it right next time. It was still nice to see you.

  • @Jack-je1zt
    @Jack-je1zt Год назад +1

    Sometimes they'll also get historical reenactors to be extras because they come with their own costumes.

  • @marcuswalters8093
    @marcuswalters8093 Год назад

    Inaccuracies that add something to the overall style is an interesting one. I think shows like Penny Dreadful and the RDJ Sherlock Holmes films have inaccuracies that create really great looks and oddly enough, still *feel* authentic.

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +1

      I agree! I think it can really add things to a show or movie as well, and can sometimes add in additional quirky elements that are unexpected

  • @assedo9822
    @assedo9822 Год назад

    Love this channel 😃😃😃

  • @katwitanruna
    @katwitanruna Год назад +1

    I believe that they do mention him wearing an Inverness.

  • @LualaDy
    @LualaDy Год назад +2

    Oh! There's a pin in your cape =O

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +2

      Hahah well spotted! It’s a sewing needle actually, as I was sewing something and then tucked it into my cape to easily find it later, and then of course forgot about it 🤣

  • @msandigail
    @msandigail Год назад

    Ok but what about the cloak you're wearing???!!! I scrolled through the video list on your channel page and don't see any tutorial or making of!!!? It's fricking glorious and i would love to hear more about it!!

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +1

      Thank you! 😊 it’s my own pattern, I took it off an antique in my collection. It’s available for sale on my website for £4

  • @a.austin1357
    @a.austin1357 Год назад

    I’d love to hear your opinion on costumes in Miss Scarlet and the Duke - it is on 2nd season now, the action takes place in 1880s I believe and the main character is a lady-detective who I believe is wearing practical clothes due to her business

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +1

      You’re the second person to mention they’d like to see a review of this show, so I’ll add it to my video ideas list for when a new season comes out 😊 thank you!

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +2

      Looks like a new season is out in January, so that’s good timing 😊

  • @katwitanruna
    @katwitanruna Год назад +1

    My family watches things and comments on the historical accuracy. Heh.

  • @lilibug.
    @lilibug. Год назад +1

    Have you seen "Rosaline" currently on Hulu? I'm waiting for someone to do a costume review of it.

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +1

      I haven’t seen it, no. It’s way out of an era I have any knowledge about (it’s 14th century from what I’ve read, and Italian fashion no less) but I hope someone with 14th century Italian fashion knowledge can review it!

  • @joseaguilar3323
    @joseaguilar3323 8 месяцев назад

    The books go through Enola's wardrobe extensively, as she goes from a tomboy to someone in love with fashion. You may like them better

  • @isabellaferretti7279
    @isabellaferretti7279 Год назад +2

    correction: hair in rags*

  • @The1stDukeDroklar
    @The1stDukeDroklar Год назад

    You look amazing in historical clothing.

  • @brucetidwell7715
    @brucetidwell7715 Год назад

    Regarding Enola's front button ball gown, there is never any evidence in the movie that she has any servants at all. One scene suggests that she sleeps on Chaise lounge in her office, although that seems improbably modest for a woman of her class.

    • @gisela_oliveira
      @gisela_oliveira Год назад +1

      the movie does implie she is living in the office, since she doesn't have yet an inccome. when she is beeing forced to close the business, you can see how many stuff there is. I think is probably a shop with an apartment in the back, so you can work and live in the same place

  • @mariebarker4499
    @mariebarker4499 Год назад

    Awesome ❤️

  • @darthbee18
    @darthbee18 Год назад

    I mean I guess the dress&wardrobe dept did their homework, but still... the moving forward in years for the ladies' fashion bugged me a bit 🥴

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад

      I think it fits well with the anachronisms they bring into the film in other ways though. Even just the quirky asides and breaking of the fourth wall, etc. All of those feel distinctly modern (they aren’t modern techniques but the way they’re executed feels very Wes Anderson, modern).

  • @Mspigwidgeon13
    @Mspigwidgeon13 11 месяцев назад

    It was actually set in 1888

  • @katwitanruna
    @katwitanruna Год назад +2

    Or they’ll hire extras who are reenactment folx who have made clothing in the style of the period.

  • @jakecavendish3470
    @jakecavendish3470 Год назад

    I thought she was called Ebola Holmes

  • @jkrashleigh
    @jkrashleigh Год назад

    i think the film is set in 1888

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +3

      It is based off the match girl strike of 1888, but the newspaper screenshot I show in my video is from the movie itself, which says 1885. Also the first movie was set in 1884. There are heavy inconsistencies in the dates they show in the newspapers on screen though and with the storyline as well.

  • @다미최-w5b
    @다미최-w5b Год назад

    Costumes? Really? How about we start with the colour of the people.

  • @Tallulahsteel
    @Tallulahsteel Год назад

    I watched the movie because of my unnatural obsession with Helena bonham Carter but I really liked the costume design despite it not being historically accurate

    • @VBirchwood
      @VBirchwood  Год назад +1

      I really like her too! Lol