Its Not Shakespeare Its Better- NIGHTWISH REACTION- Poet and the Pendulum
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Tuomas Holopainen. One of the greatest Poets at our Lifetime. My opinion. And Floor is his Voice
I share your opinion!
People think this song is just about tuomas's feelings towards Tarja, but it's more complicated than that. Even though all the guys signed the letter, tupmas is the leader, the public hated him for this and he was in deep depression. He said in an interview he decided to die on stage instead for real. Some of his best work.
Yes, i concur. Du hast es toll zusammen gefasst.
Yes, more about the emotional rollercoaster after the split really.
The brilliance, nuance and mastery of Tuomas’ songwriting lyrics and composition never ceases to amaze me. 3 minutes exactly from where he says “I have 3 minutes and counting “ is when he simulates with his hand the pendulum cutting his throat.This is just an amazing piece of music art!🤘🤘
Well put, "Shakespeare" 🎭👍
Brave to take this on so early. It usually needs a good knowledge of the band to get the full meaning, which ix not so much about Tarja leaving per se, but about the emotionsl journey before andcafter and fan hatred making Tuomas depressed.
Accumulated notes:
My no 1 song. A masterpiece.
Tuomas' refers to the ocean frequently - the second album is called Oceanborn, Dead Boys Poem ends with reference to ocean soul and Devil and the Deep Dark Ocean ends with lyrics about setting the dolphins free and "we shall wash the darkened blood red sea, our voices shall echo over the mountains and seas".
Tuomas' had thought of becoming a marine biologist IIRC.
Accumulated notes follow...
Tuomas is a very special person and this is, for me, the pinnacle of his work.
Nothing surpasses it.
For him it is one of the deepest songs.
Quotes from the band on the making of the album and the song...
TUOMAS: We will never play "Bye Bye Beautiful" or "Master Passion Greed" live again, [sic] because the lyrics are just too unambiguous and personal. There was at least as much gloom behind "The Poet and the Pendulum", too, but it leaves a bit more room for interpretation. It's easily one of our best songs but especially, the "Mother and Father'" part in the end always stirs up such a storm of emotions that it's impossible for me to do it every night. Playing "The Poet and the Pendulum' is a real rollercoaster ride - it makes me feel anxious, blush, laugh, and, in the end, just happy that that part of my life is behind me.
My notes:
My number 1 Nightwish song and for good reasons.
(No 2, Song of Myself, No 3 7 Days to the Wolves.)
This is a deeply emotional and meaningful song with which I empathise and it helped me to see that there was a way forward when depression struck. I am not alone in being "saved" by Nightwish, a fact that Tuomas has referred to and said he could not terminate the band because he knows they have meant so much to some fans who feel their lives have been saved by Nightwish.
He feels that he has a responsibility to the fans - not your standard rock musician then.
Floor is worth watching closely, her facial, hand and whole-body motions reflect the emotions she is portraying. Hands in Mother and Father for example. Tearing her hair in the Dark Passion Play section.
Note that when Tuomas talks about "Poet" he is always referencing himself. It happens throughout his ouvre.
You will see other cross-references too. Tuomas does that deliberately to give the fans a sort of anchor. Meadows of Heaven is another example - a song in itself and often referenced.
For what it's worth, here are are my thoughts and interpretations...
End to beginning - death of one era of the band, beginning of a new era.
Regarding the end of the first Era, I see no point in the blame game.
The band split, that is all we need to know.
Whatever the causes there was bound to be emotion on both sides so I leave it at that.
But this masterpiece is what came out of Tuomas' emotions.
The beginning is a boy soprano, Guy Elliott who also does the spoken parts. The whispering at the beginning is the central spoken section, but played in reverse.
Then we get the whole section "Home".
I see the "shoulder cries more" as having no shoulder to cry on because the other members of the band - his friends - were equally upset.
The "whore for the cold world" I see as the selling of his whole life to the music industry (the metaphorical pimps, hence the "whore" references) which is not interested in the person, only what they can get from the band.
The two faces bit is self explanatory; almost everyone will have been in situations where they have to hide their feelings and present a false front to the world.
The reference to betrayal is again obvious and there are lots of metaphors in the surrounding words. The altar I think, is the tie to the band - these upheavals in 2004/5 were not the first time Tuomas had felt like ending the band.
By the way, note the 3 minutes and counting: exactly 3 minutes later you get the guillotine motion.
By the way, Marco made the demo version of this, with all the lyrics sung by himself and with harsher lyrics at this point too.
Next we get to the Mother and Father section with Floor, Marco and Emppu all sitting, while Floor sings lyrics reflecting the words from his mother when he went back home for a break in the middle of all this turmoil.
These are the words of love and then of advice, that he was given.
Floor here is using her finger movements to accentuate emotion.
This whole section and the way Floor sings it, is packed with those damned Onion Ninjas.
Marco's harmonies are wonderful.
We end with the final ethereal notes from Floor and here is another tingle-factor moment. Then a gentle piano ending, the calm after the emotional storm.
Here, as in Sparkle my Scenery, the choir on the original album is replaced by Floor who wanted to sing them herself (and proved completely capable of it) which Anette could not have done - she could probably get the notes but the emotion is there in the choral original and is amplified when Floor sings it.
The low brass used in many places is really effective.
On the performance itself:
When Emppu goes over to Tuomas and later both Marco and Emppu go over, it is a sign of moral support. They both know how difficult this is for him - eventually he had the vocals turned off in his in-ear, so he didn't have to listen to them because Floor put such emotion into them.
At the end, she does not say "Thank you" immediately, as she does normally. Instead she looks over for a few seconds to check on him from her position.
BTW, I have never bought the theory that Tuomas was "in love" with Tarja. Those who say he asked her to join the band because he knew her from school - she was suggested by Emppu who had known her as an acquaintance at school.
Tuomas' did know her of course and his mother was for a while her piano teacher, but it was Emppu who suggested her.
The ultimate composed Nightwish song, one of the best in rock/metal history thus far ever made.
The acceleration at the beginning, woohoo.
The Pendulum, inspired from the book and film "The Pit and the Pendulum".
This was an ultra-personal song written by Tuomas on keyboards,
notice how the guitarist, Emppu goes to check on him,
and later, with the bass player, Marko, giving emotional support.
The ominous brass, 3 minutes and counting, check the time in 3 minutes...
Acceleration again, Marco shouting, softened by Floor who gets louder.
Floor sings the words of Tuomas's mother:
"Be still my son, you're home. When did you become so cold...
All you need is feel my love".
Watch Tuomas, he is barely holding it together.
Marko moves over to join Emppu. Ending with the Siren.
Tuomas as a Gym Instuctor! Yes :)
Hello Kelly's.
The song "The Poet and the Pendulum" is a 13 Minute journey through the mind and turmoil of Tuomas Holopainen after the year 2005. It was in that year the band parted with their long-time singer Tarja Turunen and had a personal falling out with her. The pain of the separation was big on both sides, and shown in this song. There is the responsibility that the band and Holopainen had to show towards the fans,. It was the End of an Era for them, and reason for Holopainen being lost as described in these lyrics. We can only of course to a certain degree suppose how much of these are truly Holopainen's feelings, wishes and pains - but we do know that the lyrics of Nightwish have been up to then very personal. Other songs on the album also digest this separation and falling out of the members with Turunen.
This is one of the interpretations and i know lots of fans do not agree, they just need to read the open letter that was given to Tarja by the whole band at her last concert with Nightwish, where they fired her. And the main reason that Tuomas went through a depression was that specially the Tarja fans where furious and showed that in the media and everyone was blaming Tuomas. (the fans spit on his grave). He felt the whole world was against him.
However personal and "real" these thoughts are, I feel like this song definitely takes us not only on a journey with Holopainen but also into ourselves. The music underlines the emotional gravity of the song extremely well. And I believe a lot of people can actually relate to a sense of guilt and being overwhelmed that all they desired for is the safety of home and innocence. While being personal, the song can still ring true to it's listener. That's a quality Nighwish possesses in many, many more songs. The emotional journey is one we can all share and very few bands know how to put that journey into song and especially into sound as well as Nightwish does.
The band remains through all it's shores and Oceans, one of my main favourites and I hold special place for the band in my musical heart. I hope you have enjoyed reading my analysis and share some of my thoughts. If you do have any comments, please feel free to let me know. And remember the beauty of interpretation is that it is subjective; we can see all and feel different things in the same song and continue to love it endlessly.
Lyric analysis by Annika Hausen
Greetings from the Netherlands
Tuomas plays some of the Symphonic parts on the keys but theres no way he could do everything with only two hands so the rest is on backing tracks. Hopefully one day they'll perform with a full orchestra, that would be something to see! Great reaction, keep em coming 🤘
This song by Tuomas is a "MASTERPIECE"! There are a lot of emotions in this song....which I can relate to..as being depressed is very difficult especially when you feel it's all your fault!
I could right a book about depression... But I don't like reliving it.
Thank you for sharing and yeah I tell myself we cant go back and relive things all we can do is move forward and work on ways to work things out for us. ❤️ Take care
I love the way one reactor called him the Mozart of metal...
The Poet and the Pendulum was written after firing Tarja the original singer. She was the face of Nightwish at the time, and Tuomas (Keyboards) wrote this and considered her a muse to many of the songs he had written at that point. They had also grown up in the same city and knew each other since early childhood. Some say Tuomas was in love with her but only Tuomas knows that for sure . All the band members decided together to fire her for acting too much of a diva And her husband & Manager was stepping way outta bounds concerning the band business He always wanted more money , only big paying show but the band did it for the love of music and there fans . According to all the band members, Tarja was missing lots of rehearsals and would not even travel with the band anymore. Tuomas was painted as the devil by many fans, and went through a deep depression. He even considered ending the band . He wrote The Poet and the Pendulum at that time, and actually kills himself in the song. He said he killed himself in the song at the 10:00 time stamp , as to kill the pain he was going through . To this day every time he plays it, it takes him back to those feelings, and shows on his face. In the last part, Mother and Father, words are said to him that his real mother said to him at that time of his deep depression. One part that touches me at the end when the guitarist Emppu and bassist Marko, the only other two involved with firing Tarja (that were still active with the band at the time of this show )were standing with Tuomas at the end in solidarity and love., NOTE : the 1st two words are (The End) and the last two words are (The Beginning) representing the end of the 1st era of Nightwish and the beginning of the next era
Thank you for that.. Thank you for watching ❤️
Everyone states that Tuomas “never had romantic feelings for Tarja”….
That…is…LAUGHABLE; seriously…
C’mon, now…
Look at old interviews and pics of them together… They look amazing as a couple…
Listen to the lyrics Tuomas composed for her… Hard for him to NOT fall for her - or vice-versa, during this time period… Do you think that a mere friend/acquaintance - would have inspired such a song??!!
Plus, check out Tuomas’ comments re Tarja after she married Marcelo…
It drove Marcelo insane…
BTW - her name is pronounced “TARRRR-yah”…
@@furdturgeson_89 Maby you are right or maby everything is true,but,Marko,Jukka and Emppu also signed the letter ,would they lie if it was only about a not answered love afair?🤔
@@strabel803also, from what I remember, Marko actually started the process by saying he had/has a full career outside Nightwish and yet was fully committed to Nightwish, which made her stepping out to start her solo Career not cosher to him . 🤷♂️
There is a photo in one of the band videos, may be in The last of the wilds, of Tuomas standing at the crypt of Walt Whitman. He is the Poet in his lyrics and stories, and the band are the fantasy minstrel group, The Edema Ruh.
From the Nighwish song lyrics:
One by one we light the candles of this show
One by one, enter the theatre of the primal birth
Silently watch the planetary curtain go down
Laugh and rejoice, as the powerful play greets you tonight
We are the Edema Ruh
We know the songs the sirens sang
See us dream every tale true
The verse we leave with you will take you home
You have a new subscriber. Your reaction tells me that you get this piece of poetry and Olympian-class composition. And most of all Floor hits you right in the core of your being. When you cross your hands and press them on your chest, that's exactly the way I feel. You'll seldom encounter music such as this.
Addendum: Dead Boy's Poem is another revelatory work from Tuomas. And Floors voice is a sledgehammer to your soul.
This song has a demo version for Marko, in the time between Tarja and Anette. The demo version is available on RUclips. It is much gloomier. Then there is album version with Anette and choir boys (none in demo). However, the atmosphere is different: Anette obviously helped to prevent the band falling apart or turning into some black metal group. And then there is this version.
MASTERPIECE!!!🎸🤘
Greetings across the pond to Maine and thank you for this nice reaction.
We have more than enough snow here and currently -2.2°F.
Where are you from? If you don't mind me asking?
@@KellysReactions I grew up in Germany, but have been living in the north of Finland for over a year now.
Nice, what's the coldest temp for Finland? We have very cold winters but this winter has been weird we have had more rain and wind storms to the point it's knocked our power out for a few days, when we did get some snow it's a total of 5 inches so far this winter. Normally January and February are our more harsh winter months. But for right now it's been mostly rain and we have a lot of flooding going on right now especially on our coastlines
@@KellysReactions The lowest temperature so far this winter was -37.12°F.
North of the Arctic Circle, where I live, you're always sure to have snow in the winter.
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🇬🇧 Norfolk : Masterpiece! Who else but Tuomas could say I only have three minutes and counting the exactly three minutes to the second the blade falls !
And the riff Marco plays in his part without looking mind blowing 🤯
Great selection for the video to react to! This specific performance is easily the best performance of this song ever.
Loved your reaction to this very somber song. Thank you.
Today is Marko's birthday.
Tarja (first singer) was fired via a letter handed to her backstage after her last concert. She had been considering leaving and planned to start her solo career. However, this song isn't about Tarja. It's about what happened next. Tuomas made a mistake. He published the letter given to Tarja publicly. It was a humiliating slap in Tarja's face. This caused a huge firestorm. People were split between NW and Tarja and some very public criticism came largely at Tuomas. This song describes how Tuomas felt. Tuomas didn't love Tarja (they were too alike - both control freaks). They'd known each other for years - born in the same town, went to the same school. The song makes it clear this is about the blow back from the published letter (which led to two songs from NW and one solo song from Tarja). The angriest song is a full-on metal song from NW which never was played in concert live - "Master, Passion, Greed" directed at Tarja's husband. Then there was a song directed at Tarja called "Bye, Bye, Beautiful", and Tarja's song was "Enough". Tarja didn't want to tour in the U.S. Tarja was planning a solo career and stopped showing up for rehearsal.
Some symphonic sounds are prerecorded from scores Tuomas wrote by an actual orchestra.
Phenomenal reaction to this 'tour' through a deep personal depression 👍
And this is not even the greatest masterpiece !!
Tampere 2015 - 'The Greatest Show on Earth' is considered to be the ultimate Nightwish song.
!!!!! Remember to stay on until the video is completely finished !! The speaking afterwards is an important part of the song !!
And you might prepare yourself this time - please Google the book by Richard Dawkins 'The Greatest Show on Earth '. The song is the book !! Plus some added stuff like the evolution of music, singing and techniques.
This is an experience - they use synchronized fireworks for illustration ......
Just go for it - '22 minutes you will never forget....'
Tuomas lyrics without music would be a great book of poetry.
Even the PM of Finland commented on the "Tarja thing" - pressure much?? Part of a trilogy of that time, the other 2 being "Bye Bye Beautiful" and "Master Passion Greed". This one is in my top 3 Nightwish songs. I am glad Tuomas did it this way and not for real. We need his music and poetry. ( and today, 19 Jan, when I'm watching this is Edgar Allan Poe's birthday - appropriate!)
Merci de continuer avec mon groupe préféré et notre reine, très bonne réaction de votre part et excellente analyse. L'armée NIGHTWISH de France est heureuse de vous compter parmi nous désormais. Encore plus d'écoute SVP, fiez vous à la liste de Gabriel pour avoir le meilleur du groupe mais ce n'est pas une obligation, juste un sage conseil pour entendre le meilleur des enregistrements du groupe. Le terrier est tellement profond, bonne chance a sa découverte, pour ma part, je n'ai pas touché le fond encore et j'ai l'impression que celà n'arrivera jamais. Encore du NIGHTWISH et merci d'avance, vous ne serez jamais déçu, autre chose à savoir que la dernière chanson écoutée deviendra aussitôt votre préféré, vous aurez l'occasion de vous en rendre compte. A bientôt et paix sur vous mon amie ....
Merci beaucoup! Vous êtes grandement apprécié et j’apprécie vos commentaires et suggestions. Merci d'avoir regardé!
Thank you for your GREAT reaction!
In your videos time 7:15 begins Finish melacholy…. North country 🇫🇮
🤗🍒🤘🏻😘 well done kelly and welcome back
Hi Kelly. First time watching your channel. Loved your reaction. One tech point - Your recorded voice seemed too quiet in the mix (at least to me). I was constantly adjusting my volume when you would switch between the performance and your commentary. Have a great rest of the weekend.
I concur on that. Not ever viewer is watching RUclips videos using headphones or earbuds, so audio differences are harder to hear.
Also, set the YT's AutoPlay option to 'Off' , so you don't need to constantly peek if the video is near the end during your reaction.
My. Numbers for volumn were set and I had thought it was to loud on my end so when editing I just lower it a smidge... So it's not to loud or soft compared to the music. Not sure why it's low after I post it... Hmmmm .. . Thanks for watching...
Great command Tnx
You should check out Kasey Chambers cover of Eminem's Lose Yourself. It is mind-blowing.
19:10 Funny you should mention that... the second side of their latest album Human :II: Nature is a 30 minutes long classical masterpiece, called All the Works of Nature Which Adorn the World. If you're up for it, maybe you could do a reaction to it, there is a beautiful fan made video, approved by Tuomas himself, to go with it, I highly recommend that one.
is that moonshine 😂🤣
This is Tuomas magnum opus and Floors performance of a lifetime. It just does not get better than Poet. Every part is good, but if pacific does bring out the tissues, then mother and father does. And floor's final banshee wail!!!
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🤘😎 🇫🇮 💙
Please consider balancing your own voice and the music a bit. Your voice is way too low.
I have balanced it, it was loud for me when playing it back as if I were a subscriber. My friend went and listened to it and said it was loud enough... Not sure what else to do... I did a live reaction with a friend on their channel they told me I was to loud.... At times while editing I turn down intro music and turn up voice sometimes, other times it's fine.. But I'll play around with my mic it's sensitive as well I may need it closer... Thank you
@@KellysReactions Strange...maybe youtube messes things up.