Graco 390 PC Setup and Test
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- Today on The Freytag Builders Show I am going to do an in depth setup and test of the Graco 390 PC airless paint sprayer. This is brand new and the first time I have ever seen or used this model. My old sprayer was a Home Depot version. It was a Graco Magnum $299 homeowner model.
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Love that you’ve back rolled the walls as well!
And great that you explained to people why you’re doing this ❤
Thanks bro!
Solid tips! We have a bit of a different application, as we are going to be painting our school bus with that same Greco! Your explanation was exactly what we needed to feel confident with the machine. Thanks so much! - Brian + Erin
BE Adventure Partners Awesome. I am thrilled I was able to help you all. I’m looking forward to seeing you paint the bus’s with the sprayer. Now I’m going to have to check out your channel and see what you all are up to. Good luck with the project!
Matt Freytag thanks! Yeah, we’re super excited about painting it tomorrow! We’ve been masking off areas we don’t want to paint! Big job with a 40 foot bus!
Thanks! just bought the cordless 390, your video gets right to the point easy to understand and short great job!
Thanks for making this great video, very simple way to explain it. I just bought my Graco 395.
Awesome. I wanted that model but they were out of stock and I needed it right away.
Thank you so much for making this video. It was a lifesaver for novice like me.
These are the comments i love to see. Im so glad i was able to help you! Thanks for watching! 😃
This was great, thanks for being so thorough and informative!
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for this. Just bought one of these over the winter (my first pump) and still have to set it up. You saved me hours. Much appreciated.
James Crinnion That’s awesome to hear 👂. I really enjoy when I am able to help someone with my videos. I just bought the Graco pressure roller and extensions. I will be doing a video on it as soon as I start to paint my custom home. Should be pretty soon.
Thanks for the view and the comment.
Awesome tutorial!!! Really easy to follow and informative- Keep it up 🦘🦘
Thanks
Hi I’m working at a paint store and we sell this model. Your video has tips I didn’t know about, so I’m happy to have learn them thank you :)
That’s Awesome! It makes me so happy when I am able to actually help someone and they get positive info from my videos. Glad I could help. Thanks for watching.
Yeah I just bought one & they just said “here ya go!” Thanks for the tips.. really helps after reading the manual 👍
Awesome 😎
I had been using the True coat 360 but it just wasn't cutting it so we grabbed one of these bad Larry's today. Thank you for the tutorial boss!
That’s what’s up! I’m glad I could help.
Seems like you are doing everything perfectly. That should make your new machine last a long time. Condolences on the old sprayer.
Thanks so much for the comment. I sure hope I am doing it right. This machine should last for a good while. I believe I will try and repair the old sprayer.
I would recommend you to use strainer bags every time you use the sprayer, even brand new paints may have small particles that may clog the filters
@@vilsan.r.9875 That's why you have filters in the machine and gun's handle. You have to clean those after each use and replace them from time to time.
I strain the paint every time I use it. Even the filters in the gun get clogged and reduce the pressure I am spraying. This leads to the tip getting clogged in my experience
Looking at getting a 395. This is a good upload thanks man!
frank jones Awesome Bro. I was wanting the 395 but they didn’t have it in stock and I did not see a need to spend the extra money for what I was doing.
Feel free to fill me in on what the benefits of buying the 395 over the 390 are.
Thanks
Matt Freytag I actually picked it up yesterday. The benefits are a slightly more powerful motor and the ability to provide constant pressure. My bud uses 390's and he says he doesnt notice any pulsing in pressure. They said its only noticeable with very short hoses.
frank jones Yeah that’s right. I remember the electronic part of it that provides constant pressure. I watched several videos about them but have just forgotten since then.
Always take the tip off when flushing the line. Only have tip on when ready to spray
Thanks for the tip tip! No pun intended.
Anytime, just speeds up the process. I’ve been a painter for 14 years. Know all the ins and outs of a sprayer. We always use titan airless sprayer but I been interested in buying a graco. That’s how I came across your video. Thanks for the review.
Jr Is200t I definitely don’t have the experience you have. I just build houses and paint them occasionally. I wanted the 395 model but don’t think it was necessary for me to spend the extra money for what I was using it for. I spray and backroll the primer and I also spray all the trim and doors in the house. I just recently bought the pressure roller and it makes super quick work out of rolling the color on the walls.
Thanks for watching the video and commenting.
I take the housing off. so simple
Cool. I have been doing that as well and clean.
Thank you , i think this is good enough for start
Pawel Sulej Great I’m glad my video helped. Thanks for watching
Thanks for info. Good video
THANKS! So glad I was able to help!
Thànkyou for sharing man
Jessie Martinez Thanks for watching!
buen video, una duda si ya estas pintando o esprayando con la maquina graco porque usas el rodillo al final.
I'm in the process of starting a painting business and using a cheap spray rig currently, but looking into the 390 pc sprayer.
Hopefully you do another video using this sprayer!
Rowdy Broomstick Cool and good luck! I do need to do another video with it. I also need to feature the Graco Pressure Roller that I purchased and used to paint my own house.
Here we go! Sherwin Williams doing the blue bucket sale! 699, going to go for it and get one!
Rowdy Broomstick 🧹. That’s awesome 👏. You will love it. Won’t be long till I do the video featuring the pressure roller.
I bought mine last year 390 .man it been a blessing to me man
If all you do is one trade buy absolute best you can afford....I only spray few times a year but if I did it everyday.....I would be buying a top machine
Subscribed! .... I kinda bought it and had no idea what to do 😂 thanks for the help
Awesome. Glad my video helped. Good luck with it! Thanks for watching.
Bought one years ago. Used it maybe 3 times. 😂😂 One thing I’ve learned. These sprayers are best for new construction unless you get the homeowner to empty out their home to prevent “spray mist” from floating on furniture. (Even when covering and shielding.)
Thomas Kalinoski I would agree with that. I also have the Graco Pressure Roller. Not sure if you have used one or not but I really like it if you are painting a bunch of the same color. Thanks for the comment.
Tomas K, its all in the prep bud. 90% of my job is masking to paint, you need rosin paper on floor and drops and big box plastic over everything else and tape the ends down
@@pnwatv5094 Thanks for the tip Matt!
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Sounds Good!
Good job 👍
Thanks
Thank you😊
You're welcome 😊
I always use mineral spirits to clean the factory oils in the pump before using. They pack it with oil to protect from rusting.
Thank you Kevin for the positive comment and advice on the Graco spray gun. I really appreciate your view and information. 😃
Mine came with some kind of oil in the filter do I leave the oil in it, or very mine yiu just mentioned it thanks
Yeah there’s instructionshow to get it out.
Its always a good idea to back roll even more finish coats such as ceiling flat as if you need to touch it up as a spray finish leaves it to fine.
Thanks for the comment. Great tip.
Would I have to do that with a fence? I just brought one and looking to use next week.
Richard Gorham I really can’t say. I have never sprayed a fence. I would not think you would have to with a fence but you probably would want to buy one of the green fine finish tips. They produce less overspray at lower pressures.
Hey Matt! Great instructions! Can you do more?
Cool thanks. I will try and do another video when I spray the current house I’m building. Anything you want me to include just let me know.
Good job ❤️🌆🙏
Thank you very much!
Great video matt! do you need to thin the paint for this kind of sprayer? i bought one and was wondering.
You shouldn’t normally have to thin the paint to spray in the sprayer unless you are using a really fine tip or if it’s one of the less powerful models and it’s not spraying a good pattern. If you were to thin it I would start out with small amounts and mix well.
This model of airless has enough pressure to pump the paint, so no need to thin, just mix well and it’s ready to use.
Hi,thank you for video. I
Just bought the same sprayer and your video was very helpful!
Do you think that we can use Antifreeze like alternative and cheaper protection or to use Graco Pump Armour.
Regards
Kolyo Kolev I am sorry but I am really not sure about your question. I would say since antifreeze has some type of oil in it that it would also be effective, but I’m not sure if the antifreeze has any chemicals in it that would do harm to any internal parts inside the pump. Thanks for the comment!
Thank you!
Hey my friend I’m buying a good sprayer but I don’t know if the 395 or the 390
I’d like you give me an advise
I would have gotten the 395 if it was available. But i needed it immediately
I just bought same one last year, work horse to get the job done & get on the bass, I might have to come work for free for a fishing trip.
Turn to prime with pump off & itll r easier to uncoil & rewind the hose. I wind the hose stretched out & then back towards the pump.
@@joeyboyle9482 ok cool I will try that next time I use it.
Yes I do like it. Wish I would have bought the 395 to get the digital pressure control but this one works well. I’d trade fishing for work. Lol.
What fluid is used to clean the machine after spraying oil paint? Is pumping thinner through safe for the machine?
I’d say paint thinner. I have never used oil thru this machine. I only use latex. Sorry I couldn’t help.
Do you have to run water every time before starting or just the first time to run factory oil out? TIA
Before starting yes! I also run water through it every time I clean it and when storing it needs to have some thing ran through it with some lubricant in it such as the Graco pump armor or paint thinner.
Do 390 have a transducer in them I messed up cause it was covered in paint when I bought the part and watched the 395 transducer I realized that was a different sprayer can you help.
patrick quinlan I am sorry but I am not sure what a transducer is or if my sprayer has one. Thanks for the comment. I wish I could better help you.
How do you replace pressure control valve do you have a video on that
How do you take off the pressure adjuster
I’m really not sure I haven’t had to do any maintenance on it yet.
Than bro
Way you guys 👦 ❤️ do this back rolling ?
For what ? structure like old leather army 80s solders boots ?
I can do this with graco gx21 fflp514 with poll stick 39" , and Flugger flutex 5s paint or Flugger 5 acrylic
Ok sounds good. Makes a higher quality even finish. I bet if you just sprayed it with no back roll it would look like tiger stripes when the light hit it.
@Matt Freytag tiger stripes - no , its depends how good you was sand it , and how good yours tips fan is set ?
but in my job alway do mad skim coat , and use primer to make some walls .
never have tige4 straps, and always have apelsin skin without back rolling.
2 stairs house walls and ceallings total painting in half day , covering not including
@@diyidea3031 ok bro. You do you. I keep doing it this way.
Hi! What happend to old Graco sprayer? How long did it last?
I can't remember exactly how long I have had it but prob 8 -10 years. I only used it on occasion but prob sprayed over 100 gallons thru it. It still runs but does not suck the paint into it anymore. I was gonna work on it but haven't gotten around to it yet.
Matt Freytag it prob just needs to be re packed. It’s fairly cheap!
Maybe on the old sprayer just the pump failed (which I believe are easily replaceable). The new one is nice though. Looks like a quality machine.
You may be right! I haven't had a chance to investigate it yet. It was a model from Home Depot. Im not sure if it is even the same type pump as the new Pro model I bought. Im sure I will make a video if I repair the old one. Thanks for the comment
@@MattFreytag - I think the new one is worth owning. Simply being a homeowner though for occasional (rare) use (and being housepoor :), I can't afford it or justify the expense (even though it was in my top 3 finalists after lots of research). The new model pump is better. And you can by aftermarket versions of it for pretty cheap (less than a $100 on Amazon, and eBay). One (or more) of these may actually be the OEM pump since I believe some of the components are made overseas (China). Like everything else, if it's assembled in America (some DeWalt tools for instance), they can say "Made In America". Which is one reason I voted for Trump (not that he alone can make a huge difference).
Don't do replacement pump on cheap model it's essentially throw away sprayer once its done pumping hence 300 dollars as it's diy
Nah, the cheap graco isn't rebuildable...I tried....its a throwaway
Do you have to roll the paint to after spraying or just the primer?
You don’t have to roll at all depending on the quality finish you want. The sprayer doesn’t typically spray a perfectly even coat so the roller helps even out the coat and add a slight roller stipple texture to make it easier to touch up later. Thanks.
@@MattFreytag thanks man
Nice
Thanks
Fyi- so the instructions say to clean the pump for the very first time with mineral spirits to remove the factory oils, then with water after. Dont know how much it actually matters but thats what the directions say.
Thanks for the info. I have also heard from many painters that it’s good to run some paint thinner or mineral spirits thru the pump before storage instead of storing with water remnants in the pump. I would think this would keep it from rusting or seizing up and prob do the same thing the Graco pump armor would do.
I think a 18" roller could do a faster job considering the clean up time for the machine etc.
Your probably right!
@@MattFreytag Good video about the sprayer. I am considering to buy it. I have G19 right now and for larger jobs it is too small. How do you like your 390 PC PC far?
@@synthesaurus I like it pretty good but would prob have bought the 395 with the digital read out or whatever it’s called
I just bought this machine for exterior painting "mainly" however in the event I decide to paint with it indoors i'm trying to figure out why Matt used the roller after spraying? Isn't he technically doing twice the work spraying and rolling? Please let me know if it is necessary or not. Thanks!
You don’t have to do it but I do it to get the higher quality finish. The roller helps even out the paint on the wall and create a roller stipple texture which will be easier to touch up in the future.
Hi Matt, when you say you turn your tip back, what is it for ? Is it for saving the tip ? And that way you dont have to take it out for saving your tip ? Thanks for your help !
Steve Beaulieu. Actually the process I did at the beginning of running the water and paint through the gun should have been done with the tip removed. The material would have went thru faster and you would avoid and unnecessary wear on the tip. They do wear out from the paint acting like an abrasive and blowing out the inside of the tip making it spray differently than intended.
As for turning the tip around! The reasoning for this is to blow out any trash or debris to unclog the tip then spin it back around to continue painting.
Hopefully this answered your question. Thanks for the comment and for watching the vide.
Thanks a lot Matt :)
Czemu używasz wałka po natrysku farby?
It helps to even out the paint on wall and create a roller texture that is easier to touch up later.
How long did that X5 last for yah?
Prob at least 100 gallons but it’s not an x5
Do you run thinner threw the pump after cleaning?
gooch47856 Good question! I only spray latex water based paints through this spray rig so no I don’t use thinner on it. I only use water and properly oil the piston. Thanks for the comment.
Wow talk about a speedy response! I just bought the same pump.
Only reason I ask is because I have had a couple painters tell me that letting water sit in the pump can corrode the inside of the pump.
gooch47856 Yes I believe you are right. Graco makes a product called pump armor you can use for storage but I have heard of running some thinner through it to keep everything lubricated. I have not done so yet but I’m glad you mentioned it.
Why did you roll after spraying?
It’s just what you do!
Hello. I am from Algeria and I want to know how many cubic meters this machine does in 8 hours
Behih Sidahmed I am sorry but I do not know that information. Maybe you could look on the Graco website and find that out. Thanks.
390 395 models spray .54 gallons per minute a gallon of paint woul cover average on 320 to 340 sq feet I'm not saying this are the perfect numbers because it also depends on the size of tip you are using but you can do the number with this info I hope Cheers from North Hollywood California
ebenezerENlosangeles Thanks for the info!
How to do touch up on sprayed paint?
I really don’t know the answer to that question. Someone with more experience needs to answer this. My best guess would be to tape out a section so that you wouldn’t see the seams and spray the whole section.
Good luck with that, especially low sheen or eggshell paint, you better paint the whole wall
You spray. Hand helds are great for this purpose if not much touch up to do.
one tip use some vaseline on all your threads house to gun and hose to the machine and your tip gaurd and your filter on your machine paint wont stick to it its much easier to take off and clean aswell
Nice tip. Thanks.
Wow a painter does pole sanding final coat! I thought only mud guys do that?
H B I’m no professional painter but to pole sand between coats definitely equals better finish.
hey there slim it's called P.P.E. which stands for Personal Protective Equipment
Thanks. Never. Heard of it. Hope you liked the video.
@@MattFreytag it's a military title I'm prior service SGT US Army 5 yrs active 2 yrs reserve
@@uncletoy774 Thanks for the the info. That’s good to know. Also thanks for your service!
Which tip is that?
It is the Rac X 515 tip. That’s what I use to spray and backroll primer.
Can oil paints be used with that?? Or is it only water based paints..
Yes it can be used with oil paints. Not sure which tips you would use. I choose not to use oil with mine since the cleanup would be messy.
How to avoid a lot of over spray?
francisco ballona you just have to use drop cloths and mask everything off you don’t want paint on.
Use a low pressure tip and mask
Bro I have the green low pressure tips. I still get overspray but not as much
Help me
Iam painter from iran
I need paking for reapir graco 390
Tank you
You should be able to find it online?
Could you not just spray with primer and only backroll the final finish coats?
Yup Yes I’m sure you could do it that way but I wouldn’t. The quality of the first coat sets the basis for the quality of the preceding coats so I prefer to go ahead and backroll from the beginning
@@MattFreytag okay thank you!
This is what I do...spray PVA primer and back roll next 2 coats....works fine....primer soaks into walls pretty well so doesnt leave much texture anyway....once wall is sealed than texture starts to build up
@@kirkdunn1379 thanks mate. Would you recommend the graco 390 as a good all round machine. Mostly walls and trim using fflp?
@@yup3398 am not a painting a contractor though I do alot of painting...mostly residential....I am a GC
sure its good machine but you would have to weigh out what you typically spray to find out best overall fit for you.....I use HVLP guns alot too for fine finish when overspray is an issue.....if you can only have 1 sprayer find one that covers most of what you will do
So what’s the point you have to go over it with a roller
Hashooma toy fun Alfarawi It’s just what you do
To achieve a more leveled coat on PVA primer wen you'll get more experience spraying w
You dont need to back roll is jest primer
ebenezerENlosangeles I disagree with not back rolling. Not sure about where you are located but here the backroll helps even out the texture between raw Sheetrock and drywall mud on a typical finish.
Do you really need to back roll primer? The new dry walls suck it up really well, right? You guarentee roller lines now. When you put your finish coat on, you roll it for texture. In my opinion, no need to backroll primer.
aaron anderson First off thanks for your comment and watching my video.
I really can’t answer the technical question of ‘Do you really need to back roll primer’. This is just the way I have been doing it for years.
I do know this. In my experience it helps even out the primer or paint that you are spraying on the wall to get better coverage since sometimes the spray pattern is not perfectly consistent depending on the spray rig, paint thickness, or your actual technique. Also it is just one more coat of rolling texture to make the dry wall and mud joints more consistent when the light is shining on them.
Always backroll. Always, always backroll new drywall.
I agree ☝️
Yes, Always back roll. It's a must.
For Sure!
Здравствуйте. А сколько стоит такая машына 395 у вас
Yo tengo una 390 y ermosa por 9 años. Eso si linpiala cadaves de unarla
Thanks
pfff, I was ready to purchase this spray and that is why I came here, everything was perfect until you got the roller on your hands. Really? I have to spend 1.500£ just to put the paint on the wall and after to use a roller? No fking way. Thank you for this video and for stopping me from do a big mistake.
I want to buy a genuine machine, where can I buy it?
No sure!
The harbor freight Krause is a better machine than cheap graco HD sells.....I had that same graco and it was pos....harbor freight is still goin....but pc 390 is what am looking at next.....if I painted more would be no brainer but it comes and goes so
I agree. The one I got from HD did last a while but once it was done there was no fixing it. In retrospect to me buying the 390 pc I wish I would have gotten the 395 Ultra because of a few extra features but the PPG store did not have them in stock and I needed to spray a spec house immediately.
@@MattFreytag if you have 1 trade buy the very best you can....in the end you'll save money......I am a GC but just sprayed a 2 story house with harbor freight airless.....if I sprayed everyday I would buy a $1500 sprayer and have a cheap one as backup.....same as framing, plumbing, tile, etc....just having a machine quit in middle of job costs too much money/time
@@kirkdunn1379 I heard that. I build houses but I find my self doing 2-4 spray jobs a year
@@MattFreytag same here...probably less actually....am a GC and painting is small part of the job.....if I did more I would get nice graco or titan....hard to justify cost for me....think my Krause is on its last leg, just finished a complete exterior and it barely worked at end.....good enough, lol
Run mineral spirits through it to flush out factory oil
Too late now! Lol 😂
Ya I'm sure it's fine.
I don’t understand why painters back roll , it defeats the purpose of spraying which is to be faster than rolling. As a painter that does both spray and traditional brush and roll work , if you’re planning on back rolling then opt out of using the sprayer as it will cut into your time having to prepare for use and clean the sprayer afterwards. Might as well just cut and roll . Even faster when you use the bigger rolls like 14 to 18 inch , especially if you’re just running primer on brand new drywall/sheetrock.
Alex Sandoval I cant speak for other painters but there are a few reasons I back roll. One reason is to even out the paint on the wall. Second it creates roller texture/stipple. This helps when touching up at the end of a build. Also I can spray and back roll a house way quicker than I can cut in and roll the walls no matter what size roller I am using.
Personally I would classify backfilling as an extra step that would create a better overall finish.
Those are my opinions. Thanks for the comment and for watching the video.
Matt Freytag perfectly understandable, some clients would want roller texture for sure and I suppose it does help with the touch ups in the latter parts of the job . I guess at the end of the day whatever gets the job done quicker is the way to go, in my experience it ends up being counterproductive hence why the comment in the first place . I’ve definitely seen my share of mishaps working/helping other contractors doing spray work . Thanks for the reply and good content regardless, and congratulations on the upgrade with the sprayer 👍
@@alexsandoval7202 I agree with you
If u don't bankroll new sanded dry wall u are asking for trouble ,different if it's been plastered it's ok
I spray my first coat and back roll send
And I always spray my woodwork
where's the back stitching? Your backroll technique is gonna leave flying v's if you apply your top coat like your prime
Matthew Fernandez Never heard of the term back stitching nor have I ever heard anyone in the industry around here use that term.
@@MattFreytag back stitching is when you roll straight up and before you get to the top roll to the move over an inch or so towards your wet edge to cover your roll marks from the roller dragging the paint up you qlwYs want your roller marks uniform all same direction not flying v's from rolling at an angle you see the up down strokes
Matthew Fernandez I gotcha homie.
I got me a 390 pc and honestly I regret it not because it whas a bad machine It did more that a little pony should do but I end up buying a 490pc with in a year a litle more money but it has a 1 hp and a better pressure control set also brushless motor and sprays more per minute all that for around $400 more the 490 you can use it on exteriors and you don't hear a little motor being over worked dont get me wrong my 390 painted a 2 storage house but like I say I know I was burning the little pony If you can extend you're buffer a little I recommend a Ultra Max 490pc Cheers from North Hollywood California
ebenezerENlosangeles I don’t really paint that much so I don’t see the need to spend any more cash. I painted the exterior of my house as well with this machine and it ran just fine with no problems. I do not feel it was overworked at all but I have not used any larger machine so it’s hard to give an accurate comparison. Thanks for the info.
390s are workhorses, IF you take care of them!
haha why roller? XD you using spraying
Why not homie!
I am old school roller & brush guy. I just hired a painter because i was lazy to paint interior. Know wonder why 2 coats didn't cover well. They must have used a paint gun & charge me extra for 3 coats of paint. Unfortunately, i could not be there to watch how they painted. Never ever again hire another painter they all shortcut if you're not watch them step by step.
H B Ok. Not really sure what you are implying here but I know plenty of honest good painters that use a spray gun and do the job right.
@@MattFreytag Not implying nothing negative. Just question the spray gun technique. Thanks you for showing me how gun works.
H B no problem