Rainn Wilson from the Office talks about the Bahai religion
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- Rainn Wilson from The Office gives a great talk to a packed audience at the National Baha'i Center in Iceland in 2017, about the topic "Baha'u'llah, His Life and Teachings". Baha'u'llah is the Prophet-Founder of the Baha'i Faith.
For information about the Baha'i Faith: www.bahai.org
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This is insane. When I went through puberty I came to the same conclusions about religions and I thought that I was alone in my theorys. I used to try to tell people close to me that all the religions had a piece of the puzzle. That everyone's god was the same entity. I can't believe it's taken me 15 years to discover the baha'i faith.
I lost touch with god a bit but over the past few days I've had this underlying yearning to reconnect with him and knowing that I had to... My depression sunk deeper and I prayed within myself until I somehow randomly came across a rough explanation of this faith. This is life changing for me.
Rebecca Bagley At 17:30, he omits that the Babis led a violent, messianic insurrection against the government.
At 17:40, he says "They killed tens of thousands of Babis in Persia in the early 1800's in the most horrifying ways." In fact, Denis MacEoin concludes that the "number of early Babi/Bahá'í martyrs was not 20,000, as 'Abdu'l-Bahá and Shoghi Effendi mentioned numerous times, but 2,000 to 3,000 (e.g. MacEoin, "A Note on the Numbers of Babi and Bahá'í Martyrs in Iran," in Bahá'í Studies Bulletin, 2.2, Sept. 1983, and "From Babism to Bahá'ísm: Problems of Militancy, Conflation, and Quietism in the Construction of a Religion," in Religion, 13, July 1983)."
At 18:00, he omits that Bahaullah, as one of the leaders of the Babi movement, was imprisoned after some Babis unsuccessfully attempted to assassinate the Shah of Iran.
At 20:15, Bahaullah was exiled and not executed due to heavy pressure from the Russian consul, who had some political authority over the Iranian state at the time. In fact, Bahaullah was escorted with an entourage of Russian horseman to his exile in Baghdad, which was part of the Ottoman Empire at the time. Bahaullah left Baghdad without telling his family to study with Sufi sheikhs in Kurdistan.
At 22:00, the Bab said the next manifestation would come in 1000 years, not a short time.
At 22:20, Bahaullah's followers were engaged in internecine fighting with the followers of Subh-i-Azal, which is why the Ottoman authorities moved him to Acre, Palestine.
At 26:18, he correctly quotes Bahaullah as saying, "That diversity in religion should cease."
At 47:30, he says "There are two choices about Bahaullah." No, in fact, there are many more conclusions that one can more objectively reach than those two.
Anonymous 35821361
Getting your information about the Bahai faith from someone who is not a Bahai is like learning about Christianity from the viewpoint of a Satanist.
Yes Bahà'u'llàh got imprisoned in the Siyah Chal for crimes committed by some misguided believers after Bahà'u'llàh met and expressly told them not to. This is common knowledge among Bahai's
Bahà'u'llàh is the Manifestation of God for today. I will believe the word of Him, His son Abdul Baha ; and His great grandson Shogi Effendi any day over a source that is obviously not Bahai.
The Bab expressly refers to the imminent coming of He Whom God Shall Make Manifest numerous times. You clearly have been misinformed to an extent comparable to the ignorance of the flat earthers.
There are 3 ways or more of viewing the Bahai faith.
1 not believing.
2 seeing it as a religion
3 taking it on as a lifestyle
And finally Rebecca Bagely (and I cannot speak for her) found this video in a way that she believes God influenced her to find it nothing you can say can compete with that experience.
Rebecca Bagely
Welcome to the Bahai faith.
I am in awe that you found the Bahai faith on your own.
I think that you are the kind of person who would in men enrich any kind of Bahai activity.
I know nothing (about you) and would like to get to know you better.
I am an Australian Bahai and I host a morning devotional (prayer meeting) via phone each day at around 7.15 Eastern standard time.
Do you have whatsapp? Can I add you as a friend on FB?
Do you have any questions about the Bahai faith or need any kind of support at all? I am here for you.
Rebecca: Investigate the Bahais for yourself and make up your own mind, Jesus said: you will know them by their fruit, many people will say bad things about any religion you investigate but you have to make up your own mind what makes sense and how the people behave around you in that religion. I just started studying with them about 2 months ago through interfaith, if you want any support , let me know but otherwise there is tons of info on youtube, try not to read the negative nancys but I found Bahai.org to be helpful.
Anonymous 35821361
I'm sure you got your info wrong but didn't all religions have bloodshed of some sort, doesn't mean the founder approved of it. One of the disciples of Jesus cut off a romans ear and Jesus rebuked him.....same thing happened in most religions.
Thank to Rainn Wilson for all his Great deeds in bringing people together.
In August 2017 I had a heart attack with a NDE. My religious beliefs melted away. I had an understanding that I was now on a big kid scavenger hunt, to find each piece of truth that each religion, each person, each Philosophy holds, to find the ultimate truth. Every search brings me to something tied to Bahá’í. Feels good knowing I’m not alone in understanding not to reject other teachers, but not to solely focus and fixate as well. Thank you for this.
Same thing happened to me!!
This is my second attempt to post a reply! I am almost 68 & not very adept at using computers ( I truly believe that I’m jinxed when it comes to anything to do with new technology! I seem to be more in tune with the way my husband & I lived in the North Ontario woods in a log cabin with no hydro or indoor plumbing!); so, please forgive my awkwardness at this! I have no idea where my previous attempt at this message went. Just wanted to say that I had a similar experience in 1967 at age 16 when I was in hospital extremely ill with something the doctors could not get a handle on. My soul left my body. This experience was clearly different from the “fever dreams” & delirium I had been having. I awoke around 10:00 pm & felt very clear-headed but noticed immediately that I was hovering near the ceiling over my body. There’s a bit more to the story but I never told anyone about it, thinking it must’ve been a dream even though it felt so clear & real. I found out later the next day that I hadn’t been expected to survive the night. Two years later while living in Toronto I met someone who was describing NDE’s & out -of-body experiences. In 1967 when this happened to me, I had never heard of the topic or read anything about it. The media at the time ( Life Magazine cover) was questioning whether or not “ God was dead”. I did not come from an overtly religious family even though I had attended Sunday school & sometimes, church at a United Church.
I can attest that this experience inspired me to believe in God & a spiritual life beyond this one.
And so began my “ off & on” investigations into various religions/faiths & Spirituality in general where I assimilated bits & pieces into “my own religion” or path. I was eventually looking for an actual religion that incorporated most of my beliefs/ truths of how to live in this world.
Flash forward to 1971 when on summer break from college, I was staying with my grandparents in Penticton, BC. My wonderful British grandmother who had always been an open-minded “seeker” was reading the newspaper one morning where she read that there was going to be a presentation about the Baha’i Faith at some such hall & would I go with her to see what this unknown religion was all about.
Needless to say, I met with some Baha’is afterwards & began reading some books I was given. So many things “rang a bell” inside me & I enthusiastically declared as a Baha’i that summer.
But life went on & I wasn’t in touch with any other Baha’is after I went back to school.
Eventually I moved back to Ontario, met my ex-husband & moved to North Ontario. My husband who had been raised in a very religious family completely disdained all religion & faith in God. Even though I continued my reading of religions, faiths, myths & legends, I felt I should keep my thoughts to myself in these matters.
Also, there were no Baha’is in the area at the time to further my interest & education.
No computers, remember!
Several years rolled by with tragedies, joys & the busy-ness of life.
We moved back to Southern Ontario & our marriage dissolved. I was unhappy to be away from the North & living in a city.
I have a serious chronic illness that I have nearly died from & have endured for the past 30 years or more. I became unhappy, bitter & blamed God for letting me suffer.
One day when I was feeling particularly down & depressed I saw an advert in the paper about a local Baha’i presentation on “ Unity through Diversity” at the art centre with various entertainments.
There was a phone number at the end of the article & something prompted me to call it & leave a message asking for more info. I explained that I was still registered as Baha’i but had been out of touch with the Faith for many years.
A woman who has become a dear friend called me & we arranged to meet at this event.
The rest “ is history” but instead of naively jumping onto the Faith & diving in, I began to read more about it to try to understand more before deciding if this really was “ a good fit “ for me.
Even though I am still remiss at studying & some practices as I grapple with my debilitating illness & the recent death of my only son, my firstborn, I can honestly say that this Faith “ fits almost all the i’s & crosses all of the t’s” for me.
I believe in the basic tenets as they match what I concluded in my years of being a “Seeker”. But, for me, the biggest attraction has always been the prayers. They opened my heart...I could truly “ feel” these prayers with an almost glowing warmth in my heart!
And so, I returned to the Faith & highly encourage anyone who has a curiosity for such things to investigate this Faith.
I suggest that you read some of the prayers as they are truly moving & poetic.
So ends my long “ share” of how I have found this Faith twice in my life... no regrets!
I was an atheist when I was going through mental episodes and it caused me so much pain and suffering. The more I study science and interconnect certain constructs, the more I realize the likelihood of God. The following is a list of evidence iv’e compiled over time, God bless you all.
Scientific Evidence: simulation theory (likely the best theistic argument but hardly ever presented that way), the predisposition of humans to find god/afterlife (seen in countless ancient and contemporary societies), the 12 dimensions proven by a myriad of theoretical physicists being manifested in means apparently accessible by humans (psychedelics, REM sleep, lack of oxygen, etc) showing entities described by religion, the ubiquity of highly serendipitous natural occurrences on earth, the first law of thermodynamics which states that energy can neither be created or destroyed (the brain uses about 20 watts of energy to exist actively meaning that when you die it is unfeasible for that energy to dissipate, and it can exist outside of a husk or body [why radiation can exist haphazardly in the air]), near death experiences, etc.
Thank you Rainn Wilson. Great seeing you here explaining Baha'i history and teachings!
I found the Baha'i faith to be the answer for today's problems the Baha'i prophet calls on the elimination of prejudism and racism and all its forms
What a wonderful presentation. Thank you! 💜
Hi and love to Rainn from one of the hollylands, Istanbul-Turkei.
Wait! The guy sitting to your right is a great actor! I have enormous respect for his work!
woooww! I always liked him..even more now..cool smart cute man:)) I am not bahai but liked the faith
It is very heart touching speech which is given here about The Promise One of All ages...we are certain that we need His teaching as well as His new revelation started to move in a sustainable momentum to bring forward a Kingdom of God on earth. So I'm really happy to watch this vlogs....so I request all of humankind to investigate the truth with your pure heart but first to be cleanse all which has in your about past. My God bless us.
Thank~You very much for this upload!! Enjoying it very much; will share (:
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Enjoyed Rainn Wilson’s talk and was impressed by his willingness to present a brief view of some of the teachings of the Baha’i Faith - there is a huge compendium of writings by Baha’u’llah, The Bab, and other important figures of the Faith that it is difficult to arrive at the “right size” for a talk like this. I hope he decides to take on other subjects about the Baha’is in future talks. Just a brief mention on the number of divisions in Christianity mentioned at the start: “The Center for the Study of Global Christianity at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary estimated 34,000 denominations in 2000, rising to an estimated 43,000 in 2012. These numbers have exploded from 1,600 in the year 1900.”
That’s a lot of denominations
This is great. If you want to learn about the Baha'i faith, you want to learn about it from Rainn Wilson, haha.
Now I have to watch The Office again soon.
Wonderful! Thank you for this very comprehensive intro.
This is so great to see! It's exactly how I teach the religion to non-bahai's at the moment (with the same analogies). Encouraging to know that I'm doing it right. Hopefully after I do Book 4 and 6, I can build more on my whole "What is the Bahai Faith" shpeal.
Shayan Imani At 17:30, he omits that the Babis led a violent, messianic insurrection against the government.
At 17:40, he says "They killed tens of thousands of Babis in Persia in the early 1800's in the most horrifying ways." In fact, Denis MacEoin concludes that the "number of early Babi/Bahá'í martyrs was not 20,000, as 'Abdu'l-Bahá and Shoghi Effendi mentioned numerous times, but 2,000 to 3,000 (e.g. MacEoin, "A Note on the Numbers of Babi and Bahá'í Martyrs in Iran," in Bahá'í Studies Bulletin, 2.2, Sept. 1983, and "From Babism to Bahá'ísm: Problems of Militancy, Conflation, and Quietism in the Construction of a Religion," in Religion, 13, July 1983)."
At 18:00, he omits that Bahaullah, as one of the leaders of the Babi movement, was imprisoned after some Babis unsuccessfully attempted to assassinate the Shah of Iran.
At 20:15, Bahaullah was exiled and not executed due to heavy pressure from the Russian consul, who had some political authority over the Iranian state at the time. In fact, Bahaullah was escorted with an entourage of Russian horseman to his exile in Baghdad, which was part of the Ottoman Empire at the time. Bahaullah left Baghdad without telling his family to study with Sufi sheikhs in Kurdistan.
At 22:00, the Bab said the next manifestation would come in 1000 years, not a short time.
At 22:20, Bahaullah's followers were engaged in internecine fighting with the followers of Subh-i-Azal, which is why the Ottoman authorities moved him to Acre, Palestine.
At 26:18, he correctly quotes Bahaullah as saying, "That diversity in religion should cease."
At 47:30, he says "There are two choices about Bahaullah." No, in fact, there are many more conclusions that one can more objectively reach than those two.
Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge
Beautiful talk Rainn Wilson 😊😁😀👌🏾❤️✌🏽
Wonderful Scandanavian beard. Oh yeah, delightful talk too...
Wow I was raised in a Bahai family in a small town
I am searching bahai faith..so far it is oneness God FAMİLY ORİENTED RİGHT?!
Yes, it’s has a wonderful kind religion God gives us profit for Relevance and times and keeps on evolvingit didn’t end with Jesus Christ. have you been to any firesides?
be the change you wanna see in the world You will enjoy it if you truly want to see change and unity in the world
Yes and they honor all religions and look for unity between all people. The answer to all wars and strife.
me too!
Well done!
What an absolutely compelling and humble presentation, and one that is arriving at the exact right moment in my life.
Interesting and informative
Allahuabha
Baha 'u' llah King of Kings, The Prince of Peace !!!
Ramon Balundo At 17:30, he omits that the Babis led a violent, messianic insurrection against the government.
At 17:40, he says "They killed tens of thousands of Babis in Persia in the early 1800's in the most horrifying ways." In fact, Denis MacEoin concludes that the "number of early Babi/Bahá'í martyrs was not 20,000, as 'Abdu'l-Bahá and Shoghi Effendi mentioned numerous times, but 2,000 to 3,000 (e.g. MacEoin, "A Note on the Numbers of Babi and Bahá'í Martyrs in Iran," in Bahá'í Studies Bulletin, 2.2, Sept. 1983, and "From Babism to Bahá'ísm: Problems of Militancy, Conflation, and Quietism in the Construction of a Religion," in Religion, 13, July 1983)."
At 18:00, he omits that Bahaullah, as one of the leaders of the Babi movement, was imprisoned after some Babis unsuccessfully attempted to assassinate the Shah of Iran.
At 20:15, Bahaullah was exiled and not executed due to heavy pressure from the Russian consul, who had some political authority over the Iranian state at the time. In fact, Bahaullah was escorted with an entourage of Russian horseman to his exile in Baghdad, which was part of the Ottoman Empire at the time. Bahaullah left Baghdad without telling his family to study with Sufi sheikhs in Kurdistan.
At 22:00, the Bab said the next manifestation would come in 1000 years, not a short time.
At 22:20, Bahaullah's followers were engaged in internecine fighting with the followers of Subh-i-Azal, which is why the Ottoman authorities moved him to Acre, Palestine.
At 26:18, he correctly quotes Bahaullah as saying, "That diversity in religion should cease."
At 47:30, he says "There are two choices about Bahaullah." No, in fact, there are many more conclusions that one can more objectively reach than those two.
Although Rainn's presentation is far from perfect (same could be said of any Baha'is attempt to portray the transcendent figure of Baha'u'llah) your post is riddled with inaccuracies. I'm only going to address the first one, as it's the most unjust:
The Babis did not lead a messianic insurrection against the government. I'm not sure if you're referencing the attempts of the Babi leaders such as Quddus and Mulla Husayn to defend themselves from wholesale slaughter at the hands of the tyrannical government, or if you're referencing the ragtag group of Babi dissidents who broke ranks with the vast majority of their fellow believers to initiate (at the behest of Azal I might mention) the attempt on the life of the Shah. Either way, you're mistaken, and neither the justified, heroic defense of the beloved Babu'l-Bab and Quddus, nor the heretical attempts of Azal's following could be conceived of as a violent, messianic insurrection.
@@Anonymous-xw7lm Thank you.
@@farid1406 On March 20, 1848, Mullá Ḥusayn-i-Bushru'i, who in 1844 had become the first person to become a follower of the Báb, visited the Báb at Maku prison, where the Báb was incarcerated.
Under instructions from the Báb, on July 21, 1848, Mullá Ḥusayn-i-Bushru'i unfurled a Black Standard in Mashhad, fulfilling an Islamic prophecy, and began a march with other Bábis.
They were rebuffed at Barfurush and therefore made defensive fortifications at the shrine of Shaykh Tabarsí. Mullá Ḥusayn-i-Bushru'i would die at the battle of Shaykh Tabarsí on February 2, 1849, but siege itself would last until May 10, 1849.
The Báb was later executed on July 9, 1850. Bábi uprisings would continue elsewhere in Iran, notably Neyriz and Zanjan.
The Bábi insurrection in Zanjan came to an end on January 2, 1851, with the insurgents' imprisonment.
It's the closest thing to a LSD trip, so many great truths are there that all of humanity must grasp.
Hanniffy Dinn At 17:30, he omits that the Babis led a violent, messianic insurrection against the government.
At 17:40, he says "They killed tens of thousands of Babis in Persia in the early 1800's in the most horrifying ways." In fact, Denis MacEoin concludes that the "number of early Babi/Bahá'í martyrs was not 20,000, as 'Abdu'l-Bahá and Shoghi Effendi mentioned numerous times, but 2,000 to 3,000 (e.g. MacEoin, "A Note on the Numbers of Babi and Bahá'í Martyrs in Iran," in Bahá'í Studies Bulletin, 2.2, Sept. 1983, and "From Babism to Bahá'ísm: Problems of Militancy, Conflation, and Quietism in the Construction of a Religion," in Religion, 13, July 1983)."
At 18:00, he omits that Bahaullah, as one of the leaders of the Babi movement, was imprisoned after some Babis unsuccessfully attempted to assassinate the Shah of Iran.
At 20:15, Bahaullah was exiled and not executed due to heavy pressure from the Russian consul, who had some political authority over the Iranian state at the time. In fact, Bahaullah was escorted with an entourage of Russian horseman to his exile in Baghdad, which was part of the Ottoman Empire at the time. Bahaullah left Baghdad without telling his family to study with Sufi sheikhs in Kurdistan.
At 22:00, the Bab said the next manifestation would come in 1000 years, not a short time.
At 22:20, Bahaullah's followers were engaged in internecine fighting with the followers of Subh-i-Azal, which is why the Ottoman authorities moved him to Acre, Palestine.
At 26:18, he correctly quotes Bahaullah as saying, "That diversity in religion should cease."
At 47:30, he says "There are two choices about Bahaullah." No, in fact, there are many more conclusions that one can more objectively reach than those two.
Anonymous 35821361 thanks any further links would be cool. I understand every religion has a bloody history.
@@hanniffydinn6019 I am not a historian, and several of the above matters could be discussed. For now I will mention that when I have read from the Bab He asks people to prepare for the coming of He Whom God Will Make Manifest and gives them practical instructions and guidance and warnings to prepare them to recognize Him and how to behave in His presence. Through a liaison the Bab had His writing sent to Baha'u'llah and had a special written piece and I believe his writing implements sent to Him. I do not know of a reference to what was said above. Others would know more about the time period between them which I believe was noted in Islamic prophecy, and was a matter of years not centuries.There is a book Release the Sun that I enjoy for reading about the early followers of the Bab.
I love hearing people talking about their childhood revelations about the world and faith, and how they somehow line up with teachings of the Baha’i faith. This was my experience. I believe the Baha’i faith is intuitive and intrinsic.
Fact: Bears eat beets.
Bears. Beets. Baha'ism.
Dustin King you forgot Battlestar Galactica. “Michael!!!”
Damn-cannot refute this logic 💯
so who is next after him that is the question
We don't know the name, but we do know Bahá'u'lláh said He wouldn't come until after a thousand years, presumably from 1863. And many of us think it could be a Woman given some hints in the Bahá'í writings.
Are Baha'is supportive of equal rights for LGBT people, including same-sex marriage? I've heard individual Baha'is say they are for equality, but the teachings seem to indicate otherwise with regard to same-sex intimacy and sacred union.
Generally speaking, Baha'is are told they are entirely permitted to hold their own personal views on same-sex marriage, and the UHJ has made no attempt to sway an individual one way or another to support or oppose the measure within their own lands.
thats awesome
@@sebastianuspretorius6797 Thank you for responding! I didn't see your reply until now. 😊
@@JS-dv9ji The Baha'i faith is not LGBT friendly as they discriminate through the prohibition of same- sex marriage as well as prejudicial notions such as that homosexuality is a disease that needs curing. These are of course never presented to new comers and people curious about the faith because it's an immediate turn off especially in todays day and age. Its sad really.
@@heyayup what if I told you the Papacy and the Catholic Church made you think the way you think because of the Order of the Jesuits. Not saying Bahai is absolute truth. I'm just saying you are so brainwashed and I was brainwashed too. BLACK LIVES MATTER! Why? F Trump. Why? LGBTQ Flag flown to support diversity. Why? Humans are parrots.
Happy NAW RUZ 178
4:40 "EVOLUTION" has no place in the BAHA'I TEACHINGS.
11:35 what? Jesus speaking "against palestinian people?
I was told bahais know everything about their religion.
You were told wrong. It is a lifelong study. No one can know everything.
@@wendyscott8425 are you a human? Or a bot. If you are a human, read the writings and talks by Abbas Effendi aka Abdulbaha not translated intro English, yet.
@@JamshidRowshan Why would you ask such a nasty question? Is it even worth discussing any of this with you? I doubt it. I can't read Arabic or Persian, sorry. I did meet many people who met 'Abdu'l-Bahá back in the 60s and 70s, and they had all been very affected by their encounter. And fwiw I'm going through _Selections from the Writings of 'Abdu'l-Bahá_ right now, again.
@@wendyscott8425 so you are Wendy Scott. Are you a Bahai? The year of your acceptance?Thank you. Worth discussing? Discuss. You need to read Khataabat mobarakeh in Persian.
@@wendyscott8425 which one is nasty.
The Holy Law (Sharí`ah) of the Messenger of God [Muhammad]may be likened to an ocean from which innumerable gulfs branch out. And this is the cause of the weakness of the Sharí`ah of God among the peoples. Until now *no-one* , not kings nor subjects nor the indigent have understood the reason for this, nor have they appreciated how to regain that power that has vanished and the learning that has fallen away. Thus one gulf is Shí`a, one gulf is Sunni, one Shaykhi, another Shah Ni`matulláhí, one Naqshbandi, another Malámatí, one Jalálí, another Rifá`í, and yet another Khárábátí. Thus are multiplied the innumerable *pathways* to *hell* . Thus do the stones weep and the Pen of the All-High laments. Seest thou what has befallen a Sharí`ah whose light illumined the world and whose fire, that is to say the fire of its love, was the guide of its peoples. Well is it with those who ponder upon these matters and investigate then and are fair in their judgement. Thus did this difference in public rituals become the cause of the shaking of the foundations of the Cause of God (Bahá'u'lláh unpublished)
11:05 No. God made flesh is Christian belief of 'incarnation'
All Eastern religions have a Platonic notion of God. The Bahai faith is no different. Bahai comes from the middle east. All versions of Islam are also Platonic. Platonism operates on the doctrine of absolute divine simplicity. Absolute simplicity says that to make a distinction in God implies division or composition. To make a distinction in God means that God has parts and thus is divided and not simple. If you have ever listened to Islamic scholars argue against Christian apologists you will hear this argument against Christianity. The Islamic doctrine of God says that God is one. God is whole. God is simple and is undivided. The doctrine of the Trinity in Christianity makes a distinction between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Therefore Christianity violates the doctrine of absolute divine simplicity. Islam argues that to say that there is a distinction between three persons in God implies that God is divided and thus has parts. God cannot be one and whole if He has parts. This is why Islam rejects the doctrine of the Trinity. Islam is built on the Platonic doctrine of absolute simplicity.
Platonism is the foundation of all the religions in the world except for one religion. Eastern Orthodoxy. Orthodoxy was the only form of Christianity for the first thousand years of the Christian Church. The church fathers had to deal with the Greek religions that were founded on Platonism. The historical testimony of the Christian Church shows that Platonism was viewed as heresy. Because it is not true that to make a distinction in God means that He is not simple. The doctrine of absolute divine simplicity is pagan heresy. There are many arguments that show this. For example, every human being is composed of nature and person. We are human beings. We have bodies with flesh, but we also have our personhood or hypostasis. I can make a distinction between my body, or flesh and the immaterial nature of my own cognition and personhood without being cut up into parts. We all have a spiritual awareness that we do exist as a being. To make a distinction between my nature and my personality does not mean that the union between those two things is not expressed also in unity and wholeness. There is both a distinction and a complete union or oneness that affirms my identity. This is what it means to be human. In the same way to say that God is both one and three does not mean that He is not simple or whole. One is not better than three and three is not better than one. There is unity to one and there is a unity in three. There is no tension between the one and the many.
The nature of God is not the same as the three persons in the Trinity. Thus nature is not the same as a person. But nature always operates in the mode of persons. Thus there is a distinction between the three persons in God, and there is also a distinction between Nature and the three Persons in the Trinity. But none of these distinctions mean that God is not simple, whole, or one. Since the Bahai faith is Platonic it operates on the basis of Absolute divine simplicity. It cannot talk about God this way.
All false religions operate on the general notion of absolute simplicity. This is why all Eastern religions try to get rid of distinctions and try to say that everything must be assumed into one unity. We have to get rid of any distinction around racial identity. We must rid ourselves of any notion that there is a hierarchy in the world. We must rid ourselves of the notion that there are false religions. They all express the divine absolute. Hinduism, Buddism, and Bahai all end up having a problem with the particular or individual and they try to have everything brought into the absolute simplicity of the one monad. This is why Buddism teaches that we must get rid of any notion of the individual self. The only thing that matters is finding the unity of the one. In the end, there is nothing very unique about the Bahai Faith. It's just rehashed Platonism. The doctrine of absolute divine simplicity is the source of all dialectic tension in the world. Because it sets up a natural tension between the one and the many. That's why the world is so messed up. Platonism is everywhere if you know how to spot it. Why do you think that so many people support a one-world government? Without a proper doctrine of God, you cannot think correctly about anything. The more you try to make the world a better place based on the philosophy of Platonism the worse the world will get. It will not end in Utopia.
Randy Churchhill, i like the way you think. this bahi thing is just another religion without relationship with the living God. it appears all organized faith's put their perspective organizations above the God entity in which they profess to worship above all. just one mans view.
@@GrottoGroveGroves yes you are right. Since the Baha'i faith is based on Monism. it automatically has an impersonal notion of God. Monism says there is no distinction between God's Nature and God's person. Monism ends up teaching emanationism. Everything in this world is an emanation from the Monad with no distinctions. The pure forms and ideas are in the Monad. The imperfect forms and ideas are in this world because things in this world are distinct and particular. The Baha'i faith has a problem with particular distinctions. That's why they talk about focusing back to the one point. That point is the Monad with no distinctions. Because distinctions cause division. That's why most Eastern religions teach that we have to get rid of any notion of the self. Because to believe in yourself as a particular individual allows you to make a distinction between yourself and other people and particular beliefs. So in the Baha'i faith you have to get rid of any notion of particulars and be assumed into the one. The perfect whole. Plato taught the same thing. He said that the Monad is perfect Oneness with no distinctions. The further you move away from the Monad into our lower reality the more imperfect the forms and ideas become. That is why Greek Philosophy taught that Nature is evil. That is why the Greeks hated the body. True freedom was to leave your body and return to the spiritual harmony of oneness where there are no distinctions. All forms of Monism lead to irrationality. Because nobody can live in this world without making distinctions everyday. Just look at how Paul the Apostle preached to the Greeks at Mars Hill in Acts chapter 17. He told the Greeks that God's Nature was not to be compared to any created thing in the world. Why is this so important? Because the Greeks thought that God was just another thing in the world. This also means that the forms in this world are not based on perfect forms that are in God. The created order is from God's ability to create from nothing (Ex Nihlo) Since God created particular things by his creative power distinctions are necessary to make sense of the world. God created all things and He said they are good. Therefore nature is not evil. Paul goes on to say to the Greeks that "God is near you, even in your hearts" Why did Paul say this? Because the Greeks thought that the Monad was impersonal and far away. Paul was telling them that God was imminent and the source of all reality and being. Then Paul preaches the ressurection of the body from the dead. Because Christ rose from the dead. Why did Paul preach this? Because the Greeks hated the body. To hate the body is satanic. The restoration of the body by Christ through His resurrection shows us that Nature is good and it is restored in Christ. Jesus in His incarnation assumes human nature and by His divine power deifies His flesh defeating the curse of death from Adams sin.
Monism is a false pagan conception of God. Plato taught that to make a distinction in God implies separation division or that God is made up of parts. Ancient Christianity says that Plato was wrong. We have to make a distinction between God's Nature and the three Persons of God. We don't know God in His essence or Nature. We know God because He reveals Himself to us as a Person. We know God through the Person of Christ because He is the Image of the invisible God. Jesus was a divine Person who became just like us. He became human flesh. That is why we know God loves us. God is both one and three. God is One essence but three particular Persons. Therefore there is no conflict between One Nature and three particular distinct Persons. The Christian doctrine of God solves the problem of Oneness and multiplicity. There is no dialectic conflict between the One and the many. Hope this is helpful.
The fundamental principle enunciated by Bahá’u’lláh, the followers of His Faith firmly believe, is that Religious truth is not absolute but relative, that Divine Revelation is a continuous and progressive process, that all the great religions of the world are divine in origin, that their basic principles are in complete harmony, that their aims and purposes are one and the same, that their teachings are but facets of one truth, that their functions are complementary, that they differ only in the non-essential aspects of their doctrines and that their missions represent successive stages in the spiritual evolution of human society. (Shoghi Effendi, Summary Statement - 1947, Special UN Committee on Palestine)
Mention Jesus Christ & Hell and watch the demons appear
5:20 Rapture! Christian cosmology! He is a Christianity scholar, also.
if these people all had divine teachings then why are their teaching so different to each other?
it makes NO SENSE. You say it is an update. Is god constantly changing himself.
Is he one or many? Hinduism says there are many gods- Abrahamic religions say he is one
Why is god changing his message to all of these teachers. I can't believe this as much as I'd like to.
explain this question and I'll convert.
the spiritual aspects of all religions are same ... just social aspects and laws changes according to the time and places and maturity/understanding capacity of humanity ... which religion/manifestation of GOD for that age ..... appeared.
@@ontariofareed so there is no true god?
The whole point of religion is to be given answers and to know who you are worshipping.
Why would god change himself for people to worship him?
Your point sounds like God is a liar.
@@r.m6094 answers should be given according to the capacity of the person you are answering .... a teacher teaches math for grade one student different level than grade 12 student .... the subject is same which is math but teacher teaches at different capacity ... it doesn't mean teacher is a liar
The divine teachings were interpreted and recorded by people, and people are flawed
Not arguing about religious interpretation, but the idea of God.
Scientific Evidence: simulation theory (likely the best theistic argument but hardly ever presented that way), the predisposition of humans to find god/afterlife (seen in countless ancient and contemporary societies), the 12 dimensions proven by a myriad of theoretical physicists being manifested in means apparently accessible by humans (psychedelics, REM sleep, lack of oxygen, etc) showing entities described by religion, the ubiquity of highly serendipitous natural occurrences on earth, the first law of thermodynamics which states that energy can neither be created or destroyed (the brain uses about 20 watts of energy to exist actively meaning that when you die it is unfeasible for that energy to dissipate, and it can exist outside of a husk or body [why radiation can exist haphazardly in the air]), near death experiences, etc.
1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true--in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
Lo! the Father is come! - Bahá’u’lláh
God taught faith in Jesus. Not in doing works. Romans 4:5-8
[5]But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
[6]Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
[7]Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
[8]Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
6:17 No. Salvation for Paul is to hace "trust" in death and redurrection of Jesus Christ. Then Believe /faith in death snd resurrection of Christ. Bahais do not believe in physical resurrection, muslims do not believe in death of Christ.
With 4:30 minutes of this, as one knowing the BAHA'I FAITH for 46 years, 4 minutes of this is NOT what it's about, only "AMERICANIZED" does "BIG BANG", "EVOLUTION" and "ATHEISM" is mentioned the FAITH dealing with THEOLOGY and GOD'S PROGRESSIVE REVELATIONS. In my view these podcasts does a disservice to the promotion and goals intended. It's like false intellectuals soiling the purity of the purpose.
It is a bible fact that Jesus Christ talked about hell & judgment more than anything else. There are MANY verses on that. Yet I don't see Bahá u llah ever teach about it. Nobody who claims to follow God can pick & choose WHAT parts of the bible to teach.
2 Timothy 3:16
[16]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That's because you haven't actually read the Bahá'í writings.
8:55 funny how he speaks of Jesus being a “divine teacher” and to think of them like phone updates. Well the funny thing is, every “update” after Jesus never said anything new. Also, Jesus isn’t in the ground dead like all the rest of the “phone updates” Baha’i & the Religious are out of their minds
Jesus ripped off Buddha.
Bahá'u'lláh had much that was new. He was the first of God's Messengers to forbid slavery, for example, as well as religious warfare aka "holy war." Jesus Himself said He had many things to tell His followers but they couldn't bear them now, but when He the Spirit of Truth came, He would guide you into all truth (John 16:13). Take it or leave it, God never makes us believe anything.
The Baha'i Faith does seem like sunshine and rainbows but unfortunately their is prejudice and discrimination in their policies and notions specifically toward LGBT people and women as well.
Do tell...
I challenge Rainn Wilson or any bahá í to a live discussion on you tube or zoom on the teachings of the true God of the holy bible. All I have is the holy spirit of truth & my king james bible. I will expose this cult. Amen. 🙏
And you have exposed yourself to be fanatical
@@razzram1629 you have exposed yourself as a hypocrite. You claim to love God, but you reject his teachings from Scripture. Our Lord, Jesus Christ warned us against false teachers ⏩
Titus 1:13,16
[13]This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
[16]They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
@@BibleTruthPodcast Thus, I have been proven correct by your words.
@@razzram1629 stop pretending your into God. You are full of idolatry. You're a worldy person. God again, warned us against folks like you. ⏩ James 4:4
[4]Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
@@BibleTruthPodcast lol using the christian Bible to prove the truth of Christianity is ridiculous
Salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ only. Not by doing deeds. You liars! Ephesians 2:8-9
[8]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9]Not of works, lest any man should boast.
True, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't perform good deeds. After all, James, the brother of Jesus, who knew His teachings the best, said "Faith without works is dead." Do you think a dead faith will save you? I have my doubts.
Your false prophet bahaluah blasphemed the God of the Bible. Science is not equal.
1 Timothy 6:20
[20]O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Um, no, He didn't.
Ye hypocrites! There is only one way to heaven. Thru faith on Jesus Christ! Not by works! Jesus said Acts 4:12
[12]Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
And yet you pray the Lord's prayer all the time, right? How do you think the Kingdom of God is going to come on earth then? By magic? Or perhaps God will send us the return of Christ in the Glory of the Father (Bahá'u'lláh) with a new name? Or maybe you don't believe that part?
Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven. Acts 4:12
[12]Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Amen brother
@@johnmartin9477 this heretick Rainn Wilson is out here TEACHING damnable lies leading people to hellfire. he is cursed according to the ONLY true God of the holy bible. Galatians 1:8-9
[8]But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
[9]As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
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1 Timothy 4:1-2,10-11
[1]Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
[2]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
[10]For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
[11]These things command and teach.
No one likes you.
@@BibleTruthPodcast I hate to say this, but you sound like one of the Pharisees. They rejected Jesus as Messiah just as you're rejecting Bahá'u'lláh as the return of Christ. Oh well, at least you have some belief in God although I didn't know whining about other people's belief in God was part of Jesus' teachings...
Sorry not worth the time.
Baha'i must of been the first hand that held the bag....of dung aroma.
@@seifazghandi1228 nope.
I'm a Baha'i living in a Catholic household
James 1:8
[8]A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Ephesians 5:6-7,11
[6]Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
[7]Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
[11]And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to heaven. Not baha u llah. 1 John 2:22-23
[22]Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
[23]Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
John 3:18-19
[18]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[19]And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
@Kaleidoscopic Kali Thank you for showing your ignorance on this subject. King James himself was never directly involved in the translation. He hired almost 60 of worlds top scholars & translators in 1604 only using one rule. Its obvious you failed to do your research on this, so I'll correct you here. Everyone knows the Catholics used the corrupted Latin vulgate. The protestants used good versions leading up to KJV. The tyndale/ bishops/ Geneva bible. The KJV committee spent 7 years using only the original Hebrew masoretic old Testament & koine Greek new testament. They were not allowed to make doctrine changes. Thats contrary to God's command in revelations 22:18&19. So you're clearly making a false accusation which is sin. You need to REPENT( another command by God). For years, the holy bible was only available in Latin. So , since the Roman Catholic CHURCH corrupted the bible first, show me clear proof of the KJV committee changing the bible as you claim. There should MANY errors as you claim. 🤔. I know you are not fluent in Paleo Hebrew or koine Greek so I'm waiting for you show me your evidence. Don't worry, you'll have plenty of time to use Google or you tube videos to get your answer. Lol. I know face to face, you could never show me in context 10 errors that you actually studied about the KJV. Sit your ignorant ass down before I embarrass you further. #RealTalk God preserved his word in the original languages. The KJV committee translated it into English without changing words, then you're calling God's word corrupted. You have no faith in the text. All modem versions the ESV/ RSV/ NIV/ NASB/ NLT/ NKJV are ALL garbage versions that have decreased the diety of Jesus/ changed salvation/ deny the Trinity which are ALL fundamental doctrines.
I LAUGH at the hypocrisy in Baha-luah TEACHINGS. If he really loved God, he would have preached the gospel of Jesus death/ burial & resurrection as commanded 👉 Mark 16:15
[15]And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 👉👉
Evolution is false. God taught creation. You fools focus on science & not the gospel. God taught to avoid this. 👉
1 Timothy 6:20
[20]O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:👉👉
1 Timothy 2:5
[5]For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
It is a bible fact that Jesus Christ talked about hell & judgment more than anything else. There are MANY verses on that. Yet I don't see Bahá u llah ever teach about it. Nobody who claims to follow God can pick & choose WHAT parts of the bible to teach.
2 Timothy 3:16
[16]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Then you've simply not learnt Baha'u'llah's teaching.