Which ship of these had the best service life Scharnhorst Warspite Iowa Texas/von der tan or Seydlitz Ik I am biased for liking German ships so much please forgive
I have 2: 1) In a hypothetical scenario, how would the IJN fair against the US Pacific Fleet in a head-on engagement (Jutland style) during 1941? 2) How would Yamamoto's Submarinecarrier affect the Pacific Theater if, a) they are produced in their intended numbers and b) Yamamoto has somehow managed to convince the Navy to go along with his plans.
The Germans built some ships that had significantly bigger displacements yet just about equal or even inferior firepower to their contemporaries (Bismarck class, Hipper class, etc). Where was the excess displacement used?
After working 3 twelve hour shifts in a row at the hospital, I can't tell you how therapeutic it is to have one of these episodes to listen to on the drive home. Thank you for what you do.
Ray Giordano Definitely. I used to work 3 12.5 hour days in a row with the benefit of having 4 days off. But those 3 days were exactly that, work, eat, sleep. And that 1st day off was recovery and I was basically useless.
The introduction music for Drydock always gets me pumped to listen to random information and speculation regarding warships and the history that runs alongside them
And the 21st. If I have to listen to one more clueless moron tell me that machines are going to do everything and render human labor obsolete, I'm gonna Hitler myself. Machines are very good at doing simple or repetitive tasks, they absolutely suck at anything even remotely requiring the ability to adapt on the spot.
Or any century with large jumps in technology. I'm sure there is probably a story of a neolithic tribe over confident in their newfangled stone clubs getting wrecked because they thought they could take on those primitive apes with wooden clubs.
@@ShadrachVS1 What else would you suggest? Trying to plan for an unknown and unpredictable future conflict while ignoring what happened in the previous one doesn't sound very sensible.
When you can get to North America add to your ships to see list HM,CS Sackville ,a Flower class corvette and HMCS Haida, a Tribal class destroyer. These are the sole survivor of each class.
As someone who lives in Hamilton, where the Haida is, I'd second this! I personally think it's a bit of a shame they didn't restore her to her 1944 configuration, but at least she didn't get scrapped like was very close to happening at least twice.
Pipes: The question asked was about someone with "walking stick." That was a Drum Major and his "mace." Google shows pictures of several piper and a Drum Major standing in line at the bow of Prince of Wakes. So the naming ceremony was the occasion in question.
Yeah - albeit not much of a mystery, as to those of us in pipebands, the Inverness cape is fairly immediately recognizable, but being able to track down the exact date is remarkable, yet unsurprising.
@@BigPapaKaiser to be fair to the Gneisenau class, and Tirpitz, I build for secondaries because fun, so the other ship will end up in a position where I can send the torps, and my turn is more to avoid collision or main battery
The thing to remember about the Kongos and their refits was that they weren't initially intended as carrier escorts; that function came later. The initial intention for the post-refit Kongos in Japan's naval plans was as heavy support for cruisers and destroyers launching night torpedo attacks against an approaching American fleet. Those night torpedo attacks were a critical element in Japan's plan to whittle the American battle line down to the point where Japan's own battle line (which did not include the Kongos) could defeat them in a Jutland-style gun battle. This planned role for the Kongos of breaking through an enemy cruiser screen to allow the torpedo attacks to strike home was entirely consistent with the traditional battlecruiser role, and allows the IJN's use of the Kongos around Guadalcanal to make much more sense. So, the speed increase for the Kongos wasn't about keeping up with carriers (which at the time the refits happened, was only Akagi and Kaga), it was about getting as close as possible to the speed of the cruisers and destroyers that they were envisioned as operating with.
@@andrewbarker6230 Actually only Kongo herself was. Rest of her sisters were built in Japan (I think Hiei still had a good amount of British built components but the other two were completely built in Japan)
When reading about the HMS Bounty one account from the ship's carpenter always stuck out. After a storm Bligh ordered his men to chop down some trees to patch the ship. After cutting down two trees the carpenter realized the wood was utterly useless for shipwork and ordered the men to switch to a smaller species more inland. When Bligh found out he threw a rather nasty fit, yelling about insubordination and the incompetence of his carpenter and apparently refusing to accept his assessment of the usability of the wood.
Yeah, that last bit with the dude playing the bagpipes as the ship sails under the bridge & puts to sea for the first time IS REALLY COOL. I'm really glad that you had a picture of it for although talking about it is one thing but seeing the image of the man himself standing on the bow in highlander garb & playing the bagpipes is much more awesome looking than I would have thought by simply hearing about it. I wonder how many & what all tunes he played.
I agree with you about the value of the R-class battleships. I've noticed there were many situations in 1940-1943 where just one more battleship (e.g. Royal Oak) would have saved Britain from making a difficult sacrificial choice.
Never made a comment 'I will now ,this is a very enlightening channel information that is of great importance to history and in detail that is a rarity in today's world of tech misinformation. I salute you and am always interested.
59:14 *WW2 Battleships Gneisenau & Scarnhost eyes 20 year old Revenge class escorting merchant shipping* R class: "You come near me or my children, I will hurt you." Gneisenau to Scharnhost : "Yeah nah fam lets get an easier convoy"
You must remember that German raiders (including Graf Spee) had orders to avoid combat with enemy warships. The Battle of the River Plate happened in part because Langsdorff violated orders. That attitude also explains why Scharnhorst and Gneisenau let Renown go during the Norwegian campaign.
@@richardcutts196 that and Renown had put one of Gneisenau's turrets out of action and was with a swarm of destroyers who wanted to even the score for Glowworm.
To be fair to the Kongou operations, much of the time when the Kongous were operating independently was after the IJN carrier fleet had been shattered. They were still primarily used as carrier escorts... but due to being the only fast large-caliber ships (and 4 was overkill for escorting just 2... later 3 fleet carriers) they were detached for raids, which is really what the night actions around Guadalcanal were.
@@richardcutts196 I don't think that entered into the IJN's calculations. As Drach said, they the only BBs that had the speed to make the Guadalcanal raids. That baseline speed is also what made them the best option to be modernized and escort the carrier fleet.
@@deidryt9944 Very likely both, fast and expendable. The main reason the US didn't use their older (more expendable) BB's around Gualalcanal was lack of oil. Despite being 6 kts faster the new BB's used 1/3rd less fuel. Would have been an interesting battle if it had been Pennsylvania and New Mexico instead of Washington and South Dakota.
@@gokbay3057 I agree they were BC's and until Washington and South Dakota showed up they were filling one of the intended roles of BC's, killing cruisers. Unfortunately for them WW2 cruisers were more powerful than WW1 cruisers, just as WW2 BB's were more powerful. In WOWS terms they were bottom tier vs many of the cruisers, and failed division against Washington and South Dakota.
Re RN prepared for the Battle of the Atlantic. Prewar planning had never considered the possibility of the fall of France and the Uboats having Atlantic bases. With Uboats based in Germany and having to get out of the North Sea to attack Atlantic convoys, not only would their patrol time be greatly reduced, but they would have been at very high risk during the transit, especially at choke points like the Channel (you must be kidding, try to sneak through the Channel?) or the Orkneys/Shetlands/Norway gap.
So... A question about Captain Bligh's career was asked by someone with the last name of Kidd. Captain Kidd's career didn't end so well. Is there a connection?
Pipes: The question asked was about someone with "walking stick." That was a Drum Major and his "mace." Google shows pictures of several piper and a Drum Major standing in line at the bow of Prince of Wakes. So the naming ceremony was the occasion in question.
7:00 I guess when (or if) Russia scrapes up the funds to modernise their Kirov/Pyort Velikiy, they will be different as much as the Kongos were. Not that there aren't differences already between the design of this class.
There were, of course, guided missile battleships in the end. Not only that but those guided missiles saw use in combat (albeit shore bombardment rather than naval warfare). USS Iowa et al ended up armed with Tomahawk and Harpoon missiles in the 1980's.
When did the Royal Navy upgrade to 1-inch ( 40 Lbs ) plate for general shell plating, since HMS Dreadnought suffered from " hull panting" in heavy seas and had to be stiffened to prevent possible catastrophic failure
Pipes: The question asked about someone with "walking stick." That was a Drum Major and his "mace." Google shows pictures of several piper and a Drum Major standing in line at the bow of Prince of Wakes. So the naming ceremony was the occasion in question.
The Kongo's were principally useful because of their speed and range. They were suitable for a number of mission roles and profiles that other IJN heavy ships just weren't suited for. This is one of the reasons why Kirishima and Hiei were present with the Kidō Butai.
Talking about USN missile conversions I think it's worth to mention Italian cruiser "Giuseppe Garibaldi". Not USN ship but she was fitted not only with guided missiles but ... with "Polaris" ballistic system (4 UGM-27). At the end USA didn't provided "Polaris" for anything else than trials in 1962 close to Puerto Rico. Still it is very interesting and radical conversion with new guns (135 mm and 76 mm) plus Terrier and Polaris missiles.
Please do a video on my grandfathers ship, USS AUGUSTA CA-31. From all accounts I can find he is one of if not the last survivor to serve on board during WWII and I'd love to show him the video. William H. Washington.
@@bkjeong4302 If we're limited to cruisers available in 1916, I don't know. If we can choose any cruiser throughout naval history, Des Moines class without question.
@@disbeafakename167 Your not fighting it alone. You can chose Erich side your one. The only thing Shop you would command is a Heavy Cruiser of your choice
U 14 Prein at Scappa flow and the sinking of the Royal Oak is a topic of interest of which you could enlighten many of your subscribers. If I'm off a number on the U boot Prein was the comadant.
If anyone is going to Niagara falls or Buffalo, NY and wants to see an example of a converted missile cruiser the Buffalo and Erie County Naval & Military Park has the Cleveland-class USS Little Rock in her converted state. Along with the Fletcher-class USS The Sullivans and Gato-class USS Croaker. It's a nice museum, I'd recommend it if you're even in the area.
William Bligh definitely had man management issuse as he suffered a total of no less than three mutinies to his name. HMS Bounty, HMS Director during the Nore mutiny and a third as governor of Botany Bay.
I believe he was the Governor of New South Wales, rather than Botany Bay. I think Botany Bay was where they first landed, rather than the name of the settlement.
I think that he can be excused as far as the mutiny at the Nore is concerned. I mean, the entire fleet was doing it. The Rum Rebellion in New South Wales actually shows Blugh in quite a good light. The New South Wales Corps (which had replaced the Marines in guarding the colony) was corrupt and actually ran the place in the same way that the mafia ran Chicago. It had even driven two of Bligh's predecesaors (Hunter & King) out of the colony. Essentially, Bligh was sent to NSW with orders to clean-up the joint. He did thus enthusiastically, which made him popular with the free settlers and emancipated convicts, but poison to the Corps. They either had to give up their rackets or mutiny, and mutiny was much more profitable.
Another Washington Treaty loophole closed by the London Treaty involved fleet auxiliaries. In the former, (Article 11) they were unlimited in size and number so long as they weren't (treaty-defined) carriers or capital ships. Nothing prevented the construction of, say, 33 knot 40,000 ton fleet carriers so long as you labeled them "fast replenishment vessels" and left the flight decks in a warehouse until war started. Under the London Treaty (Article 8), auxiliaries could not be armored or exceed 20 knots.
Is that Isoroku Yamamoto in the London Treaty photo? Second row, 2nd from left. Or 4th from left if you ignore the rows. I believe he was part of the Japanese delegation during the London negotiations.
According to Whitelys books the Ises could go 25.5 knots (probably why they were chosen for carrier refit over the 23knot fuso) so they may have gotten there in time to see half the japanese light forces sinking.
1:07:00 I can't help but find a sad irony in this sentiment of paying homage to Scotland's role in the Royal Navy when the present government increasingly screams to abolish the monarchy ad establish an independent republic. How times change.
New Zealand and India made enormous contributions in WW2 and shortly after the war ended each became an independent nation. Does this make their contributions in WW2 “sadly ironic?”
I was under the impression that the Kido Butai usually had a Kongo escort. I think they were well used in general. They forced the USN to add fast BBs to their carrier task forces. They usually out gunned the USN forces they faced with the obvious exception being when the USN was forced to throw in fast BBs when they ran out of cruisers at 2nd Guadalcanal.
MakeMeThinkAgain They didn’t “force” the USN to add fast BBs to carrier task forces, because the chances of them catching a reasonably handled carrier task force was basically nonexistent (no battleship or battlecruiser could catch a fleet carrier barring massive human incompetence). No, what actually happened was that the USN mistakenly assumed carriers needed to be defended against enemy battleships.
You forgot about the 3 "Razee" US Navy guided Missile cruisers Columbus, Albany and Chicago. They were stripped down to the decks and given new superstructure and multiple missile launchers fore and aft. They were called the ugliest ships in the US fleet.
" the ugliest ships in the US fleet" (pre-Zumwalt, obviously). Incidentally, how do we think the shade of Elmo feels about that particular honour? Obviously one likes to be remembered, but really ...
Well, I finally caught up, by listening to all the Drydocks. (What is this "Life" thing, of which you speak, and how do I go about securing one for myself?) Now on to the other vids I have not yet seen/heard.
wrt the Kongos. considering they were still vulnerable to large bore fire, and given the IJN's forward thinking wrt naval air resulting in the treaty limits being gamed by certain ships being designed for easy conversion to carriers, a nightmare scenario has the Kongos all being converted to carriers in the 1939-40 time frame, rather than conceived as carrier escorts. When the Kongos went in for "modernization", spies in the yards would think nothing was amiss when the turrets came off, or when the superstructures were removed, or when the boilers and turbines were replaced, but would panic when the hangar deck bulkheads started to be erected, and by then it would be too late for the USN or RN to build more carriers to offset the greater IJN carrier strength before the war started. Lacking the Kongos, the IJN could have deployed the Nagatos instead. In the Solomons campaign, for instance, not losing one Nagato to cruiser fire might have resulted in two Nagatos being on hand when the USN brought SD and Washington.
You mention that other navies apart from the USN were going to convert ships for missile cruisers - if memory serves, didn't they plan to convert Belfast into one?
wrt the London treaties not superseding the Washington treaty. I see one other major difference: first London extended the BB construction moratorium through 1936. Without first London, the BB replacement schedule in the Washington treaty would have stayed in force. According to the schedule, by 1940, the USN would have replaced everything through the New Mexicos. The Brits would have replaced all the QEs, most of the Rs, and Repulse. All the existing French and Italian BBs in existence in 1922 would have been replaced. For the IJN, the Kongos, both Fusos and Ise would have all been replaced. Of course, reality would be determined by the funding each country had available during the depression, but the Washington treaty would allow everyone to have a very much more modern capital ship fleet by the start of WWII.
32:39 I find your take on how DD’s would turn out in this situation rather saddening, I was hoping the Russians might try something like the Tashkent but with 3 single 180mm guns to one-up the Germans. :(
If Fuso goes at Guadalcanal, she probably continues on to smash the airfield and heads home the next morning. Meaning that she and Yamashiro come back down the slot the next night to face off against Washington/South Dakota. So there's a good chance that South Dakota gets sunk by 24x 14 inch guns in a 1:1 battleship trade, with Fuso still getting blasted by Washington
In speaking about the torpedo tubes on a battleship you said "that the rails were a rather ingenious way of problem solving". However, if the only time a torpedo fired from a battleship found it's mark was the one time when Rodney fired torpedoes at Bismark, then idk, maybe a not so ingenious way of problem solving. How many times did battleships fire torpedoes at an enemy ship & miss? Also, were these types of launchers actually tested a few times to see if they worked the way they intended?? Cuz, for some reason, I see the "Upper Brass", similar to "the Bureau of Ordinance" not wanting to "waste" torpedoes by practicing and actually firing torpedoes at a moving target. AND didn't Rodney fire about 8 torpedoes and only had one hit & explode. That's NOT very good odds. Especially since the Bismark has it's rudder stuck & it's speed has probably been reduced by a great deal too.
The rails were for reloading, not actually launching torpedoes. Whether at Dogger Bank or Jutland, Matapan, Barents Sea or Surigao, battleships fired 100s of rounds to secure a few hit; even the very highest-regarded battleships recorded a few hands-ful of hits over the course of a full engagement. 1 out of 8 torpedoes hitting is a much higher rate; if either fleet at Jutland had hit with 12.5% of shells they fired, the other fleet would have been annihilated.
I've heard several times that the Washington was basically at point-blank range against the Kirishima. I've read other things, however, that said that Kirishima was hit with nine 16-inch shell hits out of closer to a hundred that were fired. If truly point-blank, why so few hits? Anyone know the truth?
@Drachinifel, you gave your seal of approval to the Kongo's refit back in old dry dock specifically asking about the refit, right here ruclips.net/video/xED5q7izRlU/видео.html . What changed your opinion so much?
They were scrapping her anyway. The USN has vast numbers of Wickes and Clemson class DD's left over in mothballs from WW1. That where the 50 DD's the US traded to Britain for bases came from.
The Kongo impressed the Royal Navy such that the Tiger was redesigned and it was said you could rip 230 feet of the side off and she would only list a limited amount, in fact the British Gov asked the Japanese for the loan of them in WW2, how much better would the RN have been if at Jutland they had had 4 Kongos, so I think they would have been a whole lot better than Lion, Q Mary, Princess Royal and later Repulse and Renoun than those ships, why oh why did we not do so!
@joanne chon What ! Bligh the coward was corrupt as it got. Found him hiding under the bed, deposed him as Governor, failed to be supported by the Hobart Colony and was imprisoned for 2 years in Tasmania. Returned to England was Court martial (again) and never received an important command again. Bligh was a disgrace.
I would also argue the Kongos were actually not that useful in WWII, despite how often they were at sea; being big-gun capital ships, they were pointless and inefficient compared to subcapital units as carrier escorts or as bombardment platforms (except maybe Henderson Field, but even that is only in purely tactical terms), they were overkill for dealing with destroyers and arguably even cruisers, and the one time they had the chance to prove their worth at Second Guadalcanal they lost. On top of this, the lead ship’s supposed track record at Samar has been found to be questionable to say the least. A capital ship’s only useful if it can do the job of a capital ship (sea control through killing or at least countering other capital ships). Otherwise it costs too much to be worth using, no matter how often they were at sea.
@Katyusha Yeah the Iowas were definitely unjustified. You can't even use "nobody knew they were already obsolete" as an excuse for that class given when they entered service.
Katyusha Not that they didn’t already build a lot of Essexes, but yeah that would be better; if they wanted the AA protection they could have built 2 CLAAs for every Iowa and get a similar number of AA firepower at less expense and manpower.
BK Jeong i would argue against that whole battleship were totally pointless during the Second World War. The Meditaranian and Atlantic had a good numbers of surface action between capital ships Cape Matapan as an example, and the Scharnhorsts proved what happens if a carrier gets suprised by battleships or battlecruisers. The Pacific is much larger and open by comparison so like all battlefeild terrain is important. Now the issue the Kongo's have is they are in the Pacific which is really a Carrier battleground being so open by comparison to the Med so they have that problem to begin with, then the Japanese appalling application of them which just exacerbated the problems. Now i'm not saying the Kongo's were perfect, far from it, personally i would really have up armoured the poor things and try and turn them into something like the Renown, but they were the only capital ships the Japanese had that could counter American Battleships (As bad an idea as that was) the Fuso's and Ise's were to slow and the Yamato's were far to big and expensive to risk at Guadalcanal (all that armour on the Yamato's would have really been useful on the Kongo's). But they could do a fair amount of damage if they got the chance USS South Dakota and as you said Henderson field as examples. For me if i was going to use them, i'd try and use them as a hit and run force, targeting cruiser forces and landing areas so like the British in the Atlantic force the US to put battleships to guard them and then use the light carriers to hit the US Battleships do damage and then the Kongo's can turn up and finish the job (Which i believe was the plan for them in the Kido Buti) i accept this is not perfect, but its a better use. Also if i was going with my plan i would have dropped the speed from over 30 to 29 knots and up the armour and i'd maybe upped the speed of either the Nagato's or Fuso's to try and get more use out of them. I will accpet i am slightly biased on the Kongo's as they we're orignially British design and i am British but i do genually feel they could have been useful if used smartly and not how they were actually used.
@@joshthomas-moore2656 What happened to Glorious was a situation that was so unlikely to happen (it happened that one time due to human incompentence) that it's not really a scenario worth building a ship around. A competently handled carrier WILL NOT be surprised/caught by a big-gun capital ship and always have an upper hand by staying out of the range of enemy guns. And all but one of the engagements that involved battleships in the European theatre would have been much more efficiently carried out with carriers, cruisers or destroyers. The sole exception being North Cape, because that was a BB vs. BB situation where carriers couldn't operate. If you don't need to kill an enemy battleship in a situation where carriers can't be used, you don't need a battleship. There really was NO way to use the Kongos or any battleship/batlecruiser intelligently in WWII. You either leave them at port, or use them in ways that are inefficient or wasteful because they cannot do anything other ships can't do more efficiently. For example, the Kongos are totally unnecessary in your plan of how they would theoretically be used; the Kido Butai would do a much better job of finishing off American battleships, and without taking any risk of being fired upon by said American vessels.
@Katyusha as i said the plan is not perfect its trying to use them better not win the war, also i was trying to off set the waves of US planes by that by using the light carriers again not perfect but the Kido Buti being gutted at Midway kind limits the number of Japanese carriers avaliable and using the Shokaku's i ruled out as they are the last big carrier units left to the Japanese and their needed for fighting the other carriers.
Worst of all out of 120 questions only 6 of a more actually answered in is there something I'm missing as it takes 4 months to have a question answered and I had been waiting patiently for so long for this one to come to find out I been blown off .-Even know it says if you have a question put it in a dry dock my question never got answered on I would like to know why I have been subscriber to since November of last year. ,November of last year and only 3% of the questions taken from the kongo class were actually answere
I can only answer so many questions per episode. Production time for an episode of the Drydock is already quite long, if I had more time I could answer more questions but in the end I can't make a 4-5 hour drydock every weekend.
Yes what you said is reasonable but a little digging that I did I found out that 5 out of 6 of the question to answer for this video or patron supporters which is reasonable Anyone else that tries to ask a question does not matter you should have that a disclaimer And also it seems 12 Of the people that to Frequent we ask questions Are guaranteed to have their questions answered for every single video I can name a list
@@ethanjacques-n9p-catch21luck7 all questions I'm the first 40 minutes of a normal Drydock episode come from the Q&A thread of the video in question, only the last 20mins is Patron questions.
Something you mind I know is paid subscribers to either RUclips or patron their questions or comments are always pushed to the very top of the page2 Also the majority of the people making questions of that there's no answer for are hoping that there's no way you'll have an answer to their question i.e. Trolls 2nd to last What you really should do so it's fair for everyone as one question per video be answered. I have been a whale subscriber for almost the better part of a year since November 2019 after today I've pretty much had it Normally I give helpful advice to RUclips channels when they need it but now nothing more
Pinned post for Q&A :)
Would you recommend and go over rule the waves 2 cons and pros as a review
What do you consider as the best battleship calibre gun 10-18 Inches it's a quick question you can answer in the comments
Which ship of these had the best service life
Scharnhorst
Warspite
Iowa
Texas/von der tan or Seydlitz
Ik I am biased for liking German ships so much please forgive
I have 2:
1) In a hypothetical scenario, how would the IJN fair against the US Pacific Fleet in a head-on engagement (Jutland style) during 1941?
2) How would Yamamoto's Submarinecarrier affect the Pacific Theater if, a) they are produced in their intended numbers and b) Yamamoto has somehow managed to convince the Navy to go along with his plans.
The Germans built some ships that had significantly bigger displacements yet just about equal or even inferior firepower to their contemporaries (Bismarck class, Hipper class, etc). Where was the excess displacement used?
After working 3 twelve hour shifts in a row at the hospital, I can't tell you how therapeutic it is to have one of these episodes to listen to on the drive home. Thank you for what you do.
12 hour shifts are tough. You're either working, sleeping, or getting ready for work.
Kyle you are an unsung hero and with this pandemic it’s people like you that are on the front lines and I applaud you
Shouldn't we be thanking you for what you do, Kyle? 👍👍
Ray Giordano Definitely. I used to work 3 12.5 hour days in a row with the benefit of having 4 days off. But those 3 days were exactly that, work, eat, sleep. And that 1st day off was recovery and I was basically useless.
Thanks for being a frontline worker
The introduction music for Drydock always gets me pumped to listen to random information and speculation regarding warships and the history that runs alongside them
Well, Wah-Dee-Dah.
anyone know what its called
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@@nmccw3245 A true hero. It's been bugging me for ages, not knowing.
@@nmccw3245 It's just not the same without the "ding, ding!"
Bligh could hold a grudge, "like a dwarf with a bad headache". A most wonderful description. Kinda gets the point across. no?
As long as he was smarter than a Gully Dwarf. 😉
"Overconfidence in new technology" could be the subtitle for the entire 20th Century
We are always trying to fight the last war...
And the 21st. If I have to listen to one more clueless moron tell me that machines are going to do everything and render human labor obsolete, I'm gonna Hitler myself. Machines are very good at doing simple or repetitive tasks, they absolutely suck at anything even remotely requiring the ability to adapt on the spot.
Or any century with large jumps in technology. I'm sure there is probably a story of a neolithic tribe over confident in their newfangled stone clubs getting wrecked because they thought they could take on those primitive apes with wooden clubs.
I remember when the phrase 'by the year 2000....' was a thing; and most of those things haven't happened.
@@ShadrachVS1 What else would you suggest? Trying to plan for an unknown and unpredictable future conflict while ignoring what happened in the previous one doesn't sound very sensible.
When you can get to North America add to your ships to see list
HM,CS Sackville ,a Flower class corvette and HMCS Haida, a Tribal class destroyer. These are the sole survivor of each class.
As someone who lives in Hamilton, where the Haida is, I'd second this! I personally think it's a bit of a shame they didn't restore her to her 1944 configuration, but at least she didn't get scrapped like was very close to happening at least twice.
@@jim3394 maybe he will cover the ojibwa at some point as well
And the HMCS Cobalt, a Town class corvette. I used to live in Cobalt...
Only Drach's fans could explain the mystery of the Piper in full highland dress on the bow of the POW! Awesome.
Pipes: The question asked was about someone with "walking stick." That was a Drum Major and his "mace." Google shows pictures of several piper and a Drum Major standing in line at the bow of Prince of Wakes. So the naming ceremony was the occasion in question.
Yeah - albeit not much of a mystery, as to those of us in pipebands, the Inverness cape is fairly immediately recognizable, but being able to track down the exact date is remarkable, yet unsurprising.
"You can't turn an entire battleship just to fire off your torpedos"
I think there are some World of Warship players that would beg to disagree. Lol
Enemy: *Gets within 6km of Gneisenau*
Gneisenau: *BRAKES SCREECH* "JACKPOT!"
@@BigPapaKaiser
Russian Vessel: "Do you see torpedo boats?"
@@Trek001 Kamchatka: Breaks
@@BigPapaKaiser to be fair to the Gneisenau class, and Tirpitz, I build for secondaries because fun, so the other ship will end up in a position where I can send the torps, and my turn is more to avoid collision or main battery
The thing to remember about the Kongos and their refits was that they weren't initially intended as carrier escorts; that function came later. The initial intention for the post-refit Kongos in Japan's naval plans was as heavy support for cruisers and destroyers launching night torpedo attacks against an approaching American fleet. Those night torpedo attacks were a critical element in Japan's plan to whittle the American battle line down to the point where Japan's own battle line (which did not include the Kongos) could defeat them in a Jutland-style gun battle. This planned role for the Kongos of breaking through an enemy cruiser screen to allow the torpedo attacks to strike home was entirely consistent with the traditional battlecruiser role, and allows the IJN's use of the Kongos around Guadalcanal to make much more sense. So, the speed increase for the Kongos wasn't about keeping up with carriers (which at the time the refits happened, was only Akagi and Kaga), it was about getting as close as possible to the speed of the cruisers and destroyers that they were envisioned as operating with.
Japan drastically improved its warship manufacturing technology by using Kongo imported from the UK as a model.
Buying warships from the UK or US at this time was a great strategy.
@@kyle857 assuming you still need warships these days, American is still a good option.
Too bad for them that Japan lacked the capacity and resources to make greater use of that technology.
They were the last to be built outside Japan
@@andrewbarker6230 Actually only Kongo herself was. Rest of her sisters were built in Japan (I think Hiei still had a good amount of British built components but the other two were completely built in Japan)
When reading about the HMS Bounty one account from the ship's carpenter always stuck out. After a storm Bligh ordered his men to chop down some trees to patch the ship. After cutting down two trees the carpenter realized the wood was utterly useless for shipwork and ordered the men to switch to a smaller species more inland.
When Bligh found out he threw a rather nasty fit, yelling about insubordination and the incompetence of his carpenter and apparently refusing to accept his assessment of the usability of the wood.
Classic toxic management, if true.
The last answer (to a previous question 1:06 of HMS Prince of Wales) brought a broad smile to my face.
Absolutely Love the extended discussion on Kongo. Can't get enough of this lol
Yeah, that last bit with the dude playing the bagpipes as the ship sails under the bridge & puts to sea for the first time IS REALLY COOL. I'm really glad that you had a picture of it for although talking about it is one thing but seeing the image of the man himself standing on the bow in highlander garb & playing the bagpipes is much more awesome looking than I would have thought by simply hearing about it. I wonder how many & what all tunes he played.
It should be remembered that the R class were due to be replaced by the KGV class and only remained in service due to war.
44:34 (on Bligh) "He did have his faults. He could hold a grudge like a dwarf with a bad headache."
I've learned to anticipate where he's going to unleash a Drachism. It allows me to drink without having to pause the video.
@@sundiver137 Most times, I hear the question and think, "Here it comes". Agreed...anticipated.
@@Kevin_Kennelly It's saved me a keyboard or two.
@@sundiver137 it still catches me by surprise, I snorted at that and almost dropped a plate.
I agree with you about the value of the R-class battleships. I've noticed there were many situations in 1940-1943 where just one more battleship (e.g. Royal Oak) would have saved Britain from making a difficult sacrificial choice.
Never made a comment 'I will now ,this is a very enlightening channel information that is of great importance to history and in detail that is a rarity in today's world of tech misinformation. I salute you and am always interested.
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*WW2 Battleships Gneisenau & Scarnhost eyes 20 year old Revenge class escorting merchant shipping*
R class: "You come near me or my children, I will hurt you."
Gneisenau to Scharnhost : "Yeah nah fam lets get an easier convoy"
You must remember that German raiders (including Graf Spee) had orders to avoid combat with enemy warships. The Battle of the River Plate happened in part because Langsdorff violated orders. That attitude also explains why Scharnhorst and Gneisenau let Renown go during the Norwegian campaign.
@@richardcutts196 that and Renown had put one of Gneisenau's turrets out of action and was with a swarm of destroyers who wanted to even the score for Glowworm.
@@JevansUK You are right, I was not taking the DD's into account.
@@richardcutts196I believe Lutjen's stated that he withdrew due fear of torpedoes
@@stanleyrogouski Modernised Repulse would have been better again....
Thanks for the response to my question!
I saw the Light Cruiser Little Rock, converted to Terrier. You are so right about how huge the old missiles and their mounts were.
Little Rock started life as a Cleveland Class Light Cruiser.
@@johnshepherd9676 Sorry. My mistake. Will correct.
To be fair to the Kongou operations, much of the time when the Kongous were operating independently was after the IJN carrier fleet had been shattered. They were still primarily used as carrier escorts... but due to being the only fast large-caliber ships (and 4 was overkill for escorting just 2... later 3 fleet carriers) they were detached for raids, which is really what the night actions around Guadalcanal were.
They were also the oldest/weakest BB's in the fleet and thus the most expendable.
@@richardcutts196 I don't think that entered into the IJN's calculations. As Drach said, they the only BBs that had the speed to make the Guadalcanal raids. That baseline speed is also what made them the best option to be modernized and escort the carrier fleet.
@@deidryt9944 Very likely both, fast and expendable. The main reason the US didn't use their older (more expendable) BB's around Gualalcanal was lack of oil. Despite being 6 kts faster the new BB's used 1/3rd less fuel. Would have been an interesting battle if it had been Pennsylvania and New Mexico instead of Washington and South Dakota.
@@richardcutts196 As Drach sas they were not BBs, they were still BCs.
@@gokbay3057 I agree they were BC's and until Washington and South Dakota showed up they were filling one of the intended roles of BC's, killing cruisers. Unfortunately for them WW2 cruisers were more powerful than WW1 cruisers, just as WW2 BB's were more powerful. In WOWS terms they were bottom tier vs many of the cruisers, and failed division against Washington and South Dakota.
I like at 20:01 that the ship in question is equipped with what appear to be hot dog carts with umbrellas. :)
Re RN prepared for the Battle of the Atlantic. Prewar planning had never considered the possibility of the fall of France and the Uboats having Atlantic bases. With Uboats based in Germany and having to get out of the North Sea to attack Atlantic convoys, not only would their patrol time be greatly reduced, but they would have been at very high risk during the transit, especially at choke points like the Channel (you must be kidding, try to sneak through the Channel?) or the Orkneys/Shetlands/Norway gap.
So... A question about Captain Bligh's career was asked by someone with the last name of Kidd. Captain Kidd's career didn't end so well. Is there a connection?
Captain Kidd was a lawful privateer unjustly hanged for piracy. Sad!
Coincidende? I don't think so!
(just Kidding)
The Piper on the Ski jump of HMS Prince of Wales is beyond cool. Next question is what was his music selection??
Pipes: The question asked was about someone with "walking stick." That was a Drum Major and his "mace." Google shows pictures of several piper and a Drum Major standing in line at the bow of Prince of Wakes. So the naming ceremony was the occasion in question.
twitter.com/hmspwls/status/1175766520368128000?s=21
The Skye Boat song.
@@williamswenson5315 a favorite of mine!
@@JohnRodriguesPhotographer Yeah, an all too appropriate lament for a loss at sea. One of my mine also.
7:00 I guess when (or if) Russia scrapes up the funds to modernise their Kirov/Pyort Velikiy, they will be different as much as the Kongos were. Not that there aren't differences already between the design of this class.
Kirov is cursed. I'll believe they'll successfully modernize her when I see it.
Might as well modernize the admiral Kuznetsov's tugboat, it's far more useful.
@@overboss9599 Brilliant 😂
Sounds like the best choice is to politely decline the ships and just have the French cater the war instead.
Merci but Non, Merci.
There were, of course, guided missile battleships in the end. Not only that but those guided missiles saw use in combat (albeit shore bombardment rather than naval warfare). USS Iowa et al ended up armed with Tomahawk and Harpoon missiles in the 1980's.
I'm not sure that counts since the primary weaponry was still the 16" guns, the missiles were more a secondary/ancillary system.
I got two questions answered and it's not even my birthday.
You needn't boast about it, you lucky SOB. 😉
When did the Royal Navy upgrade to 1-inch ( 40 Lbs ) plate for general shell plating, since HMS Dreadnought suffered from " hull panting" in heavy seas and had to be stiffened to prevent possible catastrophic failure
Last time I was this early Seymour hadn’t raised the wrong flags yet
He was getting his position from his friend ...... .
Pipes: The question asked about someone with "walking stick." That was a Drum Major and his "mace." Google shows pictures of several piper and a Drum Major standing in line at the bow of Prince of Wakes. So the naming ceremony was the occasion in question.
The proximity fuse is an interesting addition to the pacific theater as in Europe.
I love the Revenge class battleships
The Kongo's were principally useful because of their speed and range. They were suitable for a number of mission roles and profiles that other IJN heavy ships just weren't suited for. This is one of the reasons why Kirishima and Hiei were present with the Kidō Butai.
So at Jutland, just play Les Marseilles and give them Nelson’s famous instruction to Go right at them! Apologize later.
Talking about USN missile conversions I think it's worth to mention Italian cruiser "Giuseppe Garibaldi". Not USN ship but she was fitted not only with guided missiles but ... with "Polaris" ballistic system (4 UGM-27). At the end USA didn't provided "Polaris" for anything else than trials in 1962 close to Puerto Rico. Still it is very interesting and radical conversion with new guns (135 mm and 76 mm) plus Terrier and Polaris missiles.
Please do a video on my grandfathers ship, USS AUGUSTA CA-31. From all accounts I can find he is one of if not the last survivor to serve on board during WWII and I'd love to show him the video. William H. Washington.
A Drydock with Irn Bru.... but I cannot guerantee to stay away from coffee...
Q&A
If you had to fight in the Battle of Jutland but only had a Heavy Cruiser. Which Heavy Cruiser would you chose??
A Des Moines?
HMS York (York Class)
@@bkjeong4302 If we're limited to cruisers available in 1916, I don't know. If we can choose any cruiser throughout naval history, Des Moines class without question.
Only one cruiser? The fastest one, because I'm not taking on a fleet with one cruiser. "RUN AWAY RUN AWAAAAAY!"
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Your not fighting it alone. You can chose Erich side your one. The only thing
Shop you would command is a Heavy Cruiser of your choice
U 14 Prein at Scappa flow and the sinking of the Royal Oak is a topic of interest of which you could enlighten many of your subscribers. If I'm off a number on the U boot Prein was the comadant.
If anyone is going to Niagara falls or Buffalo, NY and wants to see an example of a converted missile cruiser the Buffalo and Erie County Naval & Military Park has the Cleveland-class USS Little Rock in her converted state. Along with the Fletcher-class USS The Sullivans and Gato-class USS Croaker. It's a nice museum, I'd recommend it if you're even in the area.
@37:44 You disparage the machine that goes "Ping!"?
William Bligh definitely had man management issuse as he suffered a total of no less than three mutinies to his name. HMS Bounty, HMS Director during the Nore mutiny and a third as governor of Botany Bay.
I believe he was the Governor of New South Wales, rather than Botany Bay. I think Botany Bay was where they first landed, rather than the name of the settlement.
Bligh would not cut it in 2020. He would be in Anger Management the first time he called crew, Snowflakes.
@@phaellion I believe you're right. Correction appreciated.
@@WALTERBROADDUS Too true. Anger management required.
I think that he can be excused as far as the mutiny at the Nore is concerned. I mean, the entire fleet was doing it.
The Rum Rebellion in New South Wales actually shows Blugh in quite a good light. The New South Wales Corps (which had replaced the Marines in guarding the colony) was corrupt and actually ran the place in the same way that the mafia ran Chicago. It had even driven two of Bligh's predecesaors (Hunter & King) out of the colony.
Essentially, Bligh was sent to NSW with orders to clean-up the joint. He did thus enthusiastically, which made him popular with the free settlers and emancipated convicts, but poison to the Corps. They either had to give up their rackets or mutiny, and mutiny was much more profitable.
Another Washington Treaty loophole closed by the London Treaty involved fleet auxiliaries. In the former, (Article 11) they were unlimited in size and number so long as they weren't (treaty-defined) carriers or capital ships. Nothing prevented the construction of, say, 33 knot 40,000 ton fleet carriers so long as you labeled them "fast replenishment vessels" and left the flight decks in a warehouse until war started. Under the London Treaty (Article 8), auxiliaries could not be armored or exceed 20 knots.
Ahh yes, Sunday night and the jaunty music begins..
Thank you.
Is that Isoroku Yamamoto in the London Treaty photo? Second row, 2nd from left. Or 4th from left if you ignore the rows. I believe he was part of the Japanese delegation during the London negotiations.
I love me some Drydock ☝
According to Whitelys books the Ises could go 25.5 knots (probably why they were chosen for carrier refit over the 23knot fuso) so they may have gotten there in time to see half the japanese light forces sinking.
1:07:00 I can't help but find a sad irony in this sentiment of paying homage to Scotland's role in the Royal Navy when the present government increasingly screams to abolish the monarchy ad establish an independent republic. How times change.
New Zealand and India made enormous contributions in WW2 and shortly after the war ended each became an independent nation.
Does this make their contributions in WW2 “sadly ironic?”
I was under the impression that the Kido Butai usually had a Kongo escort. I think they were well used in general. They forced the USN to add fast BBs to their carrier task forces. They usually out gunned the USN forces they faced with the obvious exception being when the USN was forced to throw in fast BBs when they ran out of cruisers at 2nd Guadalcanal.
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They didn’t “force” the USN to add fast BBs to carrier task forces, because the chances of them catching a reasonably handled carrier task force was basically nonexistent (no battleship or battlecruiser could catch a fleet carrier barring massive human incompetence).
No, what actually happened was that the USN mistakenly assumed carriers needed to be defended against enemy battleships.
I would like to request a video on RMS Olympic, and her long career of hitting other ships, including a German u-boat.
"In ... glorious ... 240p" LOL 23:29
You forgot about the 3 "Razee" US Navy guided Missile cruisers Columbus, Albany and Chicago. They were stripped down to the decks and given new superstructure and multiple missile launchers fore and aft. They were called the ugliest ships in the US fleet.
" the ugliest ships in the US fleet" (pre-Zumwalt, obviously).
Incidentally, how do we think the shade of Elmo feels about that particular honour? Obviously one likes to be remembered, but really ...
@@notshapedforsportivetricks2912 3 Albanys, 3 Zumwalts. I see a pattern here.
Another advantage of night fighters vs AA is night fighters don't reveal the location of targets to the enemy.
Just seen uss texas is now closed and being taken to a shipyard for extensive restoration
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Well, I finally caught up, by listening to all the Drydocks. (What is this "Life" thing, of which you speak, and how do I go about securing one for myself?) Now on to the other vids I have not yet seen/heard.
To be fair if you go with Courbet you could always rearm them with better guns and modernize the engines
wrt the Kongos. considering they were still vulnerable to large bore fire, and given the IJN's forward thinking wrt naval air resulting in the treaty limits being gamed by certain ships being designed for easy conversion to carriers, a nightmare scenario has the Kongos all being converted to carriers in the 1939-40 time frame, rather than conceived as carrier escorts. When the Kongos went in for "modernization", spies in the yards would think nothing was amiss when the turrets came off, or when the superstructures were removed, or when the boilers and turbines were replaced, but would panic when the hangar deck bulkheads started to be erected, and by then it would be too late for the USN or RN to build more carriers to offset the greater IJN carrier strength before the war started. Lacking the Kongos, the IJN could have deployed the Nagatos instead. In the Solomons campaign, for instance, not losing one Nagato to cruiser fire might have resulted in two Nagatos being on hand when the USN brought SD and Washington.
You mention that other navies apart from the USN were going to convert ships for missile cruisers - if memory serves, didn't they plan to convert Belfast into one?
the U-Boats were perhaps not so dangerous in the pacific... but the damage the auxiliary cruiser Atlantis cause was almost unimaginable...
Hey Drac, turn up you mic preamp gain 1db. Voice is a little weak. Intro music gain is perfect.
wrt the London treaties not superseding the Washington treaty. I see one other major difference: first London extended the BB construction moratorium through 1936. Without first London, the BB replacement schedule in the Washington treaty would have stayed in force. According to the schedule, by 1940, the USN would have replaced everything through the New Mexicos. The Brits would have replaced all the QEs, most of the Rs, and Repulse. All the existing French and Italian BBs in existence in 1922 would have been replaced. For the IJN, the Kongos, both Fusos and Ise would have all been replaced. Of course, reality would be determined by the funding each country had available during the depression, but the Washington treaty would allow everyone to have a very much more modern capital ship fleet by the start of WWII.
Am I the only one that was getting massive audio drop outs starting about the 41 min mark?
32:39 I find your take on how DD’s would turn out in this situation rather saddening, I was hoping the Russians might try something like the Tashkent but with 3 single 180mm guns to one-up the Germans. :(
If Fuso goes at Guadalcanal, she probably continues on to smash the airfield and heads home the next morning. Meaning that she and Yamashiro come back down the slot the next night to face off against Washington/South Dakota. So there's a good chance that South Dakota gets sunk by 24x 14 inch guns in a 1:1 battleship trade, with Fuso still getting blasted by Washington
If you are playing what if who says the South Dakota has a power failure?
In speaking about the torpedo tubes on a battleship you said "that the rails were a rather ingenious way of problem solving". However, if the only time a torpedo fired from a battleship found it's mark was the one time when Rodney fired torpedoes at Bismark, then idk, maybe a not so ingenious way of problem solving. How many times did battleships fire torpedoes at an enemy ship & miss? Also, were these types of launchers actually tested a few times to see if they worked the way they intended?? Cuz, for some reason, I see the "Upper Brass", similar to "the Bureau of Ordinance" not wanting to "waste" torpedoes by practicing and actually firing torpedoes at a moving target. AND didn't Rodney fire about 8 torpedoes and only had one hit & explode. That's NOT very good odds. Especially since the Bismark has it's rudder stuck & it's speed has probably been reduced by a great deal too.
The rails were for reloading, not actually launching torpedoes.
Whether at Dogger Bank or Jutland, Matapan, Barents Sea or Surigao, battleships fired 100s of rounds to secure a few hit; even the very highest-regarded battleships recorded a few hands-ful of hits over the course of a full engagement.
1 out of 8 torpedoes hitting is a much higher rate; if either fleet at Jutland had hit with 12.5% of shells they fired, the other fleet would have been annihilated.
Is it just me but is this "what if" becoming tiering?
When you are so fast that only 1 patreon has commented
intro music?
Gov. Bligh...New South Wales would like to comment...
I've heard several times that the Washington was basically at point-blank range against the Kirishima. I've read other things, however, that said that Kirishima was hit with nine 16-inch shell hits out of closer to a hundred that were fired. If truly point-blank, why so few hits? Anyone know the truth?
Note that Admiral Lee underreported the number of hits scored by his flagship: Japanese records, plus an examination of the wreck, indicate far more.
Why does that kongo look like it has 3 guns at 6:45?
@John Doe It could be the picture is of the Hiei which for treaty reasons had one of its turrets and armour removed for a period of time
Greetings Drachinifel
They did things besides getting sunk. 😆
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The "uptalk" episode
@Drachinifel, you gave your seal of approval to the Kongo's refit back in old dry dock specifically asking about the refit, right here ruclips.net/video/xED5q7izRlU/видео.html . What changed your opinion so much?
Haha, it would be terrible if they wanted a take 2 for the USS Moody sinking.
So who wants to salvage or ask the US Navy for another destroyer?
They were scrapping her anyway. The USN has vast numbers of Wickes and Clemson class DD's left over in mothballs from WW1. That where the 50 DD's the US traded to Britain for bases came from.
And hood saving POW
Link to a report on U.S. Navy AA effectiveness in WW2: ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/rep/Kamikaze/AAA-Summary-1045/index.html
Constitution carried British 24 pounders taken from forts left behind by the British army (been on board and seen them)
The Kongo impressed the Royal Navy such that the Tiger was redesigned and it was said you could rip 230 feet of the side off and she would only list a limited amount, in fact the British Gov asked the Japanese for the loan of them in WW2, how much better would the RN have been if at Jutland they had had 4 Kongos, so I think they would have been a whole lot better than Lion, Q Mary, Princess Royal and later Repulse and Renoun than those ships, why oh why did we not do so!
sorry in WW1 not WW2 apologies for the mistake.
Elbonia when?
The Kongos were still beautiful ships, no matter how useless they were in a fight.
Play Atlantic Fleet. It’s a turn based game based around the Battle of the Atlantic
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Anyone else getting a slight feedback?
Mutiny was a reoccurring thing with Bligh , It happened again when he was Governor of Convict Sydney. They found him hiding under his bed.
@joanne chon What ! Bligh the coward was corrupt as it got.
Found him hiding under the bed, deposed him as Governor, failed to be supported by the Hobart Colony and was imprisoned for 2 years in Tasmania.
Returned to England was Court martial (again) and never received an important command again.
Bligh was a disgrace.
POW protect our wankers. Owwww. That wasn't right.
I would also argue the Kongos were actually not that useful in WWII, despite how often they were at sea; being big-gun capital ships, they were pointless and inefficient compared to subcapital units as carrier escorts or as bombardment platforms (except maybe Henderson Field, but even that is only in purely tactical terms), they were overkill for dealing with destroyers and arguably even cruisers, and the one time they had the chance to prove their worth at Second Guadalcanal they lost. On top of this, the lead ship’s supposed track record at Samar has been found to be questionable to say the least.
A capital ship’s only useful if it can do the job of a capital ship (sea control through killing or at least countering other capital ships). Otherwise it costs too much to be worth using, no matter how often they were at sea.
@Katyusha Yeah the Iowas were definitely unjustified. You can't even use "nobody knew they were already obsolete" as an excuse for that class given when they entered service.
Katyusha
Not that they didn’t already build a lot of Essexes, but yeah that would be better; if they wanted the AA protection they could have built 2 CLAAs for every Iowa and get a similar number of AA firepower at less expense and manpower.
BK Jeong i would argue against that whole battleship were totally pointless during the Second World War. The Meditaranian and Atlantic had a good numbers of surface action between capital ships Cape Matapan as an example, and the Scharnhorsts proved what happens if a carrier gets suprised by battleships or battlecruisers. The Pacific is much larger and open by comparison so like all battlefeild terrain is important.
Now the issue the Kongo's have is they are in the Pacific which is really a Carrier battleground being so open by comparison to the Med so they have that problem to begin with, then the Japanese appalling application of them which just exacerbated the problems.
Now i'm not saying the Kongo's were perfect, far from it, personally i would really have up armoured the poor things and try and turn them into something like the Renown, but they were the only capital ships the Japanese had that could counter American Battleships (As bad an idea as that was) the Fuso's and Ise's were to slow and the Yamato's were far to big and expensive to risk at Guadalcanal (all that armour on the Yamato's would have really been useful on the Kongo's). But they could do a fair amount of damage if they got the chance USS South Dakota and as you said Henderson field as examples.
For me if i was going to use them, i'd try and use them as a hit and run force, targeting cruiser forces and landing areas so like the British in the Atlantic force the US to put battleships to guard them and then use the light carriers to hit the US Battleships do damage and then the Kongo's can turn up and finish the job (Which i believe was the plan for them in the Kido Buti) i accept this is not perfect, but its a better use. Also if i was going with my plan i would have dropped the speed from over 30 to 29 knots and up the armour and i'd maybe upped the speed of either the Nagato's or Fuso's to try and get more use out of them.
I will accpet i am slightly biased on the Kongo's as they we're orignially British design and i am British but i do genually feel they could have been useful if used smartly and not how they were actually used.
@@joshthomas-moore2656 What happened to Glorious was a situation that was so unlikely to happen (it happened that one time due to human incompentence) that it's not really a scenario worth building a ship around. A competently handled carrier WILL NOT be surprised/caught by a big-gun capital ship and always have an upper hand by staying out of the range of enemy guns.
And all but one of the engagements that involved battleships in the European theatre would have been much more efficiently carried out with carriers, cruisers or destroyers. The sole exception being North Cape, because that was a BB vs. BB situation where carriers couldn't operate. If you don't need to kill an enemy battleship in a situation where carriers can't be used, you don't need a battleship.
There really was NO way to use the Kongos or any battleship/batlecruiser intelligently in WWII. You either leave them at port, or use them in ways that are inefficient or wasteful because they cannot do anything other ships can't do more efficiently. For example, the Kongos are totally unnecessary in your plan of how they would theoretically be used; the Kido Butai would do a much better job of finishing off American battleships, and without taking any risk of being fired upon by said American vessels.
@Katyusha as i said the plan is not perfect its trying to use them better not win the war, also i was trying to off set the waves of US planes by that by using the light carriers again not perfect but the Kido Buti being gutted at Midway kind limits the number of Japanese carriers avaliable and using the Shokaku's i ruled out as they are the last big carrier units left to the Japanese and their needed for fighting the other carriers.
Worst of all out of 120 questions only 6 of a more actually answered in is there something I'm missing as it takes 4 months to have a question answered and I had been waiting patiently for so long for this one to come to find out I been blown off .-Even know it says if you have a question put it in a dry dock my question never got answered on I would like to know why I have been subscriber to since November of last year. ,November of last year and only 3% of the questions taken from the kongo class were actually answere
I can only answer so many questions per episode. Production time for an episode of the Drydock is already quite long, if I had more time I could answer more questions but in the end I can't make a 4-5 hour drydock every weekend.
Yes what you said is reasonable but a little digging that I did I found out that 5 out of 6 of the question to answer for this video or patron supporters which is reasonable Anyone else that tries to ask a question does not matter you should have that a disclaimer And also it seems 12 Of the people that to Frequent we ask questions Are guaranteed to have their questions answered for every single video I can name a list
@@ethanjacques-n9p-catch21luck7 all questions I'm the first 40 minutes of a normal Drydock episode come from the Q&A thread of the video in question, only the last 20mins is Patron questions.
Something you mind I know is paid subscribers to either RUclips or patron their questions or comments are always pushed to the very top of the page2 Also the majority of the people making questions of that there's no answer for are hoping that there's no way you'll have an answer to their question i.e. Trolls 2nd to last What you really should do so it's fair for everyone as one question per video be answered. I have been a whale subscriber for almost the better part of a year since November 2019 after today I've pretty much had it Normally I give helpful advice to RUclips channels when they need it but now nothing more
@@Drachinifel Don't mind the whining snowflake. "Oh Lord, he didn't answer a question in a day!" Boo hoo..😭
Want fast service? Pay for it.... 🤨
he uptalks like a woman
Your god is imaginary.
Abu Ansar Al-Britani and that is the sum total of your “contribution”? Go be a twat elsewhere...
Are you sane? Sorry, unfair question, Abu.