Do you have any content on fire control, and how it changed over the years? I'm most interested in how techniques changed from ironclads, through ww2. Specifically how fire control was handled within a ship, as well as within a battle group.
Did battleships and cruisers of ww2 ever use their superior speed and gun range to dictate the range of engagement and stay away from the the enemies' effective gun range?
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@@MarkJoseph81 ruclips.net/video/_GdQdJoyxSk/видео.html or use this link to get to Ian's video about the smokeless powder version of the Remington Lee rifle. If you like how drach explains things about ships in his guides then I'm sure you'll appreciate the work Ian does with firearms.
With regards to the question on coke and the High Seas Fleet, the answer is even more complex than Drach's comments. Coke has several physical forms, but it is essentially pure carbon. Some processes produce a fine powder or a soft material that is easily pulverized. Most of the low grade German coals fall into this category. The coke referred to in the question comes from certain specific grades of bituminous soft coal that are cooked to remove the minerals and chemicals present in coal leaving the carbon in a rock structure. If you have blast furnace steel mills that is the only thing you can use as your primary blast furnace fuel. Coke is loaded with iron ore and a few other things into the top of the furnace and the coke has to support the loads while the iron is melted free and the coke burns away. There are not many deposits of that grade coal in Europe and there would have been none to spare. Many people have attempted to make coke from lower grades of coal hoping to upgrade them, but the products are often too soft to handle and transport to be practical especially in a ship. The high dust content is also an explosive mix that can easily be detonated by accident. In the 1960's, the US power industry created boilers that used pulverized coal that was injected into the firing chamber which could use the poor coke, but the added costs are far too much to justify it. Some of the fine powder grades of coke produced in refineries are used in those boilers. The other problem is coke ovens are huge dirty operations in their own right that take years to build. Once Germany was in the throes of WW 1, it was too late. Ironically, the high grade steam coals make poor coke.
Drach - as far as posters go: what about the idea of sending a high-res image and allowing us to have it printed on our end? It eliminates the shipping / postage costs entirely, and we can choose what size we want to have the image printed at. Then you are looking at sending a file that may be quite large, but still much less expensive than mailing. There are a lot of places in the US, for example, that do photo printing even up to A1 (over here in the Colonies, 24”x36” is a pretty common poster size). If you own the image files, then watermark it and sell them in your Etsy store as digital downloads.
Agreed. The only other option that I can think of is maybe get one of the US ship Preservation council/society & have THEM print/ship to US addresses, maybe with a slice of the pie going to the ship preservation fund. A bit more complicated but those groups already have the systems in place to do thing like this.
@@Foxttellio I'm really not trying to be an A$$ & this is going to be long & Complicated & Short & Simple at the same time, Buuuuuttttt... Outside the US(& the UK/EU) everything seems to get a bit more complicated. If he can post it on his own Edsy or Speadshirt stores as something like a PDF file perhaps you are able to purchase & download the file & have it printed locally. Working with a "Web-store" to have the units in their own stocks while easier for Drach really doesn't change the shipping cost issues, the same for possibly putting it up on a theoretical Ebay "Store". Ebay would give him a wide international reach, but wouldn't change the issues with shipping costs, the prices won't go down & he still would have to pay them(& then pass the costs on to the consumer). An American "Organisation(generally PRIVATE groups that might only have SOME governmental ties)", if they run a group affiliated Online web store probably would be willing to ship Internationally & MIGHT(something that is somewhat iffy) have enough shipping VOLUME to drive their shipping cost down enough to make it viable. One of the reasons I never recommended a specific organization is that it isn't my place to promote any specific group(the USS Texas foundation WOULD be my personal pick, but I'm Definitely not Drach). Maybe he could approach one of the private groups supporting the Victory & see if they could/would ship internationally. The Giant issue with(to my knowledge) EVERY personnel web-store is that they all rely on the person running the account to be responsible for the shipping costs for everything they sell. If Drach could set up an Amazon.co.uk "Storefront" & have Amazon handle all the shipping, that would be the best option, but Amazon will only "Partner" like that with a MAJOR Multi-National company. An Amazon "Storefront" as a personnel account leaves him in the same bind as his Edsy store, HE is still the one paying the shipping fees, which means HE is going to have to jack the price up on the product to get it anywhere but the UK & EU. I'm just trying to brainstorm a way for him to partner up with someone with the same interests in his field of "Commerce" that has enough clout/volume too be able to drive down the Shipping costs. On the other hand if instead of just focusing on the shipping, again, if he is able to link up with an interested party that could drive down his PRODUCTION costs instead, then he would be able to have the Over-Seas shipping balanced out on the production side. Of course if the images are as good as he says, then maybe paying 20 pounds for the poster & 10 pounds for shipping might be worth it. I'm just spit-balling here, But what Drach is really trying to do FOR US, his audience, fellow Naval Enthusiasts, Is an INCREDIBLY complicated thing. I have no desire to see him go prematurely Gray Haired from the stress, or even Bald from tearing his hair out trying to get the costs way down when the economic/financial reality is that IT IS JUST GOING TO COST A LOT OF MONEY to ship something like that internationally. This is an incredibly complicated thing to try & do. Amazon is a TRILLION dollar company(or at least close to) whose answer provided by financial departments that probably pull payroll the size of a small countries budget is STILL simply "Let the Pleb using Our Website To Sell Stuff Pay The Shipping Himself". Sigh, I STILL really hate proof reading... ANY & ALL mistakes & misinformation are my own & I'm just a near toothless under educated American hick that likes to listen to somebody more knowledgeable than me talk about botes on the internet. And again, sorry about the attempted essay on the topic of attempting to maintain a profitable(or even just a BREAK EVEN) attempt at international commerce.
bunker branding dot com out of Texas sells shirts, hats and other merchandise for a bunch of youtubers in the US. They should be able to reship your bulk packages for you. They would possibly even be able to handle the whole printing and distribution process for the north and south America's for you too. Love the videos, thank you!
On the subject of firing Ship's boilers with Coke as opposed to Coal, aside from the many obstacles to be encountered in manufacturing the huge quantities of Coke that would be needed, there is also the fact that the boilers would need to be fitted out to burn Coke instead of Coal. Coke burns hotter, and would need grating designed to withstand that heat, and provide sufficient draft to feed the fires. Coke does not last as long as Coal, it burns fairly quickly, and requires greater care in firing , and fire management to insure proper, and safe conditions for the Boiler. Coke requires a very consistent air supply to insure it burns with greatest efficiency, and least wear, and tear on the firebox, and Boiler. Coke can be subject to inconsistent burning, having hot, and cold spots if the draft is not carefully managed. The Black gangs will be working much harder to keep things working well, and to prevent damage to the boilers. Anthracite is fussy enough, Coke is even more difficult t work with, especially in the amounts a Battle Ship would require.
Maybe a BB size upgraded Atlanta maybe? Because as a stanstandard we Americans want ALL THE GUNS, because why stop at a CL with 8 5" DP(twin) guns when you could have a ship with 20 or 40? Because Yes.
Oh my god that ROK DDG, Sejong the Great looks amazing. I don't know if I have ever seen something that was so clearly a design derivative of something else, while not being that other thing. I was looking at the picture and I was like, "That isn't a Burke Class... I know it isn't... It doesn't look quite right... but OMG that thing is VERY Arleigh Burke-eqsue. You couldn't get closer to building a Burke, but at the same time end up with something that ISN'T A BURKE CLASS."
In the early 1950's lived in Singapore for a couple of years. My Dad took my brother and me(aged 7 at the time) out to the USS Wasp moored in the harbour. Never forgot the gouge mark in the deck from where a prop had left its mark, was a couple of inches deep!
Answering your question about posters, oh yes, I would love to see some of those drawings as posters! Also I would personally prefer A3-sized ones, which would go well with my 1/350 warships models - if they prove to be viable in the future I'll definitely get those, otherwise I'd settle for A4, I wouldn't mind the higher shipping costs. But that's just me. Also, let's fire a salute for each of every 200,000 subs you reached! Congratulations, you definitely deserve this popularity!
In regards to the A3 posters and A4 'Large Letters', the USPS, UPS, and other delivery services have a 1 in 3 chance of arriving inside their destination undamaged, they tend to ignore 'Do Not Bend' signage. Tubes are much more obvious if damaged, and are not bendable.
Addressing the generals to admirals question, before the 17th-century it was very common for a general to command a fleet. The Dutch, English and French all did this. And sometimes not even a general, but simply a high-ranking aristocrat who would have the inborn authority to tamp down the unruly competition between gentlemen, sailors and other ranks. An example might be Alonso Pérez de Guzmán y Sotomayor, 7th Duke of Medina Sidonia who was browbeaten into commanding the Invincible Armada. As it turned out this reluctant commander probably did as good a job as could have been done. Maybe he could have disobeyed orders and gone off on his own after learning of the Duke of Parma's inability to "join hands" with him, but by then it was too late anyway. The Duke of Medina Sidonia probably should have taken an English port. He had the ships and soldiers to do that. Who knows though. But we should respect this man who was given a close to impossible task and fulfilled it in a way that did him great credit. IMHO.
You mention the Sejong the Great class in the context of heavily armed ships ranging from the Kirov to the Arleigh Burkes. The Sejongs are actually derived from the Arleigh Burke class, but with very substantial improvements. The displacement was substantially increased in order to allow them to be made bigger with much more internal space, which made them much faster and cheaper to construct. They also obviously significantly increased the primary armament. And they changed the hull form to make it more efficient, so that the installed propulsive power could actually be decreased by about 5%, despite the ships displacing more than 1000 tons more than the Arleigh Burkes.
In Vietnam there was Vietnamese riverine boats taken down by USS New Jersey doing shore bombardment. Apparently 16" HE rounds cause sudden existence failure.
The follow on class to the South Carolina-class dreadnought battleships were the Delaware-class. The Florida-class was the third class of American dreadnought.
my buddy walked in on me listening to you talking about "germans using coke as a fuel resource" and just about faced and walked out without waiting for context
As usual fantastic drydock! I have found myself more and more looking forward to any of your talks (is it called a 'Post' when you place a video and or stills with vocals on a channel?) On any subject. When, not if, you and your channel takes off, I do hope you do not change your format too much, it's a more intimate style and makes the viewer feel as if you are sitting in a comfortable study discussing these subjects amongst friends. Don't allow the "experts" to change your very welcoming style. Thank you so much for all you do, the hardest working person of YT...
31:54 You mention radar as the most important development. I would suggest that the reasons you put forward show that not radar, but the slow phosphors that make a ppi radar display possible are your real development. Only the allies had these in use, and that was what made the vast improvement in situational awareness exhibited in their post 1942 operations possible.
On the poster question, it might be best to send digital artwork to a distributor in the US, and actually print and dispatch them from there. I'm sure there are several photo-printing services across the pond who would be happy to work with you. A friend/colleague does this for their D&D character sheet printing services. On a personal note, I'd be happy to pay a reasonable price for high-resolution digital artwork, then I could print it in whatever size I wanted (most likely A2) and frame it.
"But when you go with some fewer, larger guns, any individual shot will probably stop a destroyer dead in his path..." USS Johnston lauging dry from the depths.
Keep in mind that Johnston was a 2,000 ton Fletcher, while the various nations kind of settled on 6"/15 cm as the best compromise anti torpedo boat/destroyer gun before WW1 when a 1,000 ton destroyer was big.
Previously mentioned by others, but I also support the idea of making downloadable image files available instead of trying to sell posters. This means leas work fiddling with shipping, and more variety as once the image is scanned it doesn't matter if you sell 0 units or 10,000
52:45 The Royal Navy was responsible for a number of innovative developments post WWII, it steam catapults, the mirrored landing system and angled flight deck. I am surprised you didn't mention their efforts at rubber flight decks allowing aircraft without landing gear.
Been there...was a crewman on a Sumner class destroyer which was in drydock at the Shipyards in Norfolk, VA YEARS AGO...still standing watches...sighs...with all the maintenance and upgrades going on around me...when being inside, and bounding all over from the hammers, bangs, and slams going on...grins...and I still remember that episode...
As for using the larger (over 4") HE/HC shells as AA shells: US HC shells were built with a non-delay or, for the battleship-sized shell later in WWII, a 0.01-second-delay base fuze which was not removable, in addition to being able to fit a steel nose plug (to use the base fuze and turn the HC shell into an extra-large-explosive-filler SAP/base-fuzed Common shell). a Point Detonating Fuze (instantaneous nose fuze with only a very thin armor penetration capability, either by direct punching prior to the explosion at close range or, for thinner plate, blowing a hole in the impacted plate by blast and the somewhat larger fragments in the forward cone of pieces generated by the detonation in the somewhat thicker nose portion of the shell), or a mechanical or powder time fuze (mechanical only for US WWII HC shells). The time fuze would be used against many kinds of shore targets for air bursts or against aircraft (not too effectively unless the gun could fire rather rapidly, of course). After mid-1943, Variable Time (VT, the code name for the very-short-range proximity fuzes) were introduced. For the smaller guns, 6" down to 4" in WWII, which used tiny vacuum tubes (British "valves"). Shells with VT fuzes had to be made separately, since they were fitted with protective electrically-grounded shields when stored that had to be removed prior to loading. The shield required a modification to the nose for an added set of screw threads for this shield and, due to the larger size of the fuze projecting into the shell cavity, a smaller Auxiliary Detonating Fuze in US HC shells for nose-fuzed shell handling safety. Thus, the VT-fitted HC shells ONLY had the VT fuze, though the base fuze remained in the larger gun shells for direct hits. The other, older, non-VT HC shells could have their impact and time nose fuzes and solid steel nose plugs exchanged aboard ship just prior to a battle, as desired -- I assume that if AA use was important for the given gun, some time-fuzed shells would be ready to use immediately in the handling rooms/magazines.. Note that later, when the VT fuze was fully dedicated for US 5"/38 AA guns, the VT fuze had an impact capability and the base fuze was removed as taking up too much room that could be used for more explosive and, for the first time in any US Navy shell introduced since circa-1925 over 40mm (others fillers used here because they shared US Army ammo for these small guns), a filler called Composition A-3 using the new explosive Cyclonite/RDX in increase blast power with NO anti-surface-ship use. These dedicated 5"/38 VT-fuzed shells using the new, extra-powerful filler were termed "AA Common" (Common shells could be base- or nose-fuzed in the US Navy, but most used against surface targets -- shore or ships -- were base-fuzed, usually with no AP cap (except the 1930 8" Mark 15 which did have a cap, though I am not sure what ships ever got that shell). A few old base-fuzed Common shells used in the US Navy 5"/50 and 5"/51 guns in WWII, mostly older battleship secondaries, still had black-powder/granulated TNT mixtures for increased incendiary and delay-action effect, just like British WWI-era CPC, though with less explosive than CPC and no windscreen or AP cap. When the IOWA Class was reactivated, the rule was that the ships no longer could exchange nose fuzes in their non-VT-fuzed HC shells, from what I was told, so the ships load-outs of HC ammo had to be done when docked or, perhaps, sometimes by Underway Replenishment as to fuzing.
I appreciate your consideration of of our opinions in all matters. You truly are an English gentleman! As for the etsy idea,I'm good with that, or whatever you come up with as far as the posters go. Choice is always good and you should be able to find a US distributor and after protecting yourself in some way, be able to just send the files , instead of printing & shipping 50 posters at a time across the Atlantic. There has to be a better way . This is nearly 2021 anyway. Also idk if the rest of the world uses A3-A4 type of measures. As for myself in the US I will have to look that up, but I do know what an 11"x8" poster would look like....I don't think I could call that a poster though. I personally wouldn't mind paying $20-$25 US in total, for something say 15"x25" to be bought & then shipped across the pond. I don't know if that would be worth it for you though. If you could use the internet in some way to get folks their posters &only send a couple emails, then, that's very efficient. Thank you good sir,, & I'm sure what ever you come up with will be fine.
Thanks for another great Drydock Another carrier innovation I read the US navy used for carriers was a cross deck catapult fitted in the hanger to launch aircraft from there.
Interesting episode, some fascinating questions. On the channel admin questions: some sort of indication of World of Warship codes are still valid would definitely be useful, rather than spending ages trying each one. On the posters: as a UK resident, I'd always prefer the bigger size, but if it is possible to do both A3 and A4 then that's also great. If a lot of customers are in the USA then a distributor is probably worth looking into, but equally I image most people will understand that international shipping is costly and so will be prepared to pay those costs, especially when it comes to reproductions of some of the more unique plans/photos/images you have.
The state of New York back when it was a colony was actually named after the Duke of York who was one of the patrons of the company aquiring that colony and not the City/County York, so USS New York and HMS Duke of York are technically ultimately named for the same thing although not identically named.
I think the big mistake with ABDA Command was the failure to make an ABD command in Summer 1940. If the Australians Dutch and British had got together in 1940 and started the groundwork for a potential collective defence of the area that year and a half of work would have been invaluable despite the lack of resources and the Americans would simply be joining a pre existing structure. It would also have been very usefull for the RN as it would be acting as a deterrent of sorts and allowing the admiralty to stand up more to Churchill with Force Z by negating its need especially due to the excellent Dutch Submarine force. and even if Force Z had been sent it would simply be a Heavy element to an existing fleet and certainly have had cruiser support and thus much more effective AA capability. Their is even an outside chance that if an ABD command had been set up in 1940 French Indo China would have either declared for the Free France not Vichy or have or have resisted the Japanese request to occupy it in 1941 thus wiping out the Japanese southern strike capability before it is even born or at the very least they may have tried to take it in late 1940 early 1940 in concurrent events to the British and Free French attacks on Syria and other Vichy controlled holdings.
South Korea's obsession for firepower goes back quite a while actually. They invented the Hwa-cha/Shin-gi-jeon multiple arrow launching system in like the 13-15th centuries, they made dozens of different mortars, cannons, rockets, and shells in the Joseon dynasty, and ever since the Korean War they are obsessed with ground and seaborne firepower in the form of missiles and artillery.
first off, thanks drach, ive only recently caught up with videos as they come out since watching ALL of them took a long time. its been a real delight working through them though. after xmas when i have some spending money again i plan to throw some your way via patreon/shop as a thank you. second, if i was buying a poster i would rather have a larger nicer poster even if it cost 2-3x as much. also, charge us 100% of the shipping! if you feel you have been getting plenty of patreon/drydock donation money use it for events or something rather than taking a few bucks off people's orders imo.
I find it a bit odd that the Italian fast battleship class of WW2 are called both the "Littorio" class and the "Vittorio Veneto" class. Many books I own describe them as the "Vittorio Veneto" class. It would make sense since she was launched nearly a month before Littorio and was commissioned first into the Regia Marina. I would also even consider Roma and Impero as a subclass since they had numerous changes in design compared to their two older sisters. Unfortunately for the Italians, Impero was never completed😓
Re the comment about landing on the bows around 53:00 - I believe the origin of the USN requirement was not to account for battle damage, but rather a concern about not having the carriers wander out of the formation if in search of the correct wind orientation. (Assume fleet all steaming with a tail wind, if landings are only possible with a head wind the the carriers have to do a 180 whiole landing aircraft, which puts them horribly out of position, whereas with bow-on landing the cariers could keep pace with the fleet) This may have been influenced by the low speed of the very early USN carriers.
Also, the modern "bear claw"/"haul down" helicopter landing system on smaller ships is a modern version of the "bunch of guys grab onto the plane" landing technique
I recommend 'Rising Sun, Failing Skies' by Jeffrey Cox is good read covering the ABDA disaster. He goes into some of the politics behind the scenes as well.
Generally, from what I have heard, the way you tell a ship from a boat is that the former leans outward when you pull a turn and the latter leans inwards on the turn.
on the Posters, get one of the US ship Preservation council/society, sell them through the online gift shop & have THEM print/ship to US addresses, maybe with a slice of the pie going to the ship preservation fund. A bit more complicated but those groups already have the systems in place to do thing like this.
39:15 The ROK Navy isn't messing around. 128 VLS launch cells on each of the three ships in the Sejong The Great class. 96 on an Arleigh Burke. So the Korean People's Army Naval Force has 384 incoming problems to deal with.
My father was plane guarding Hornet during Halsey's typhoon. The forward flight deck was bent down over the bow --looked like a Dali painting to me-- and they launched a/c over the stern by steaming all back full. Dad thought it was hilarious. I would guess they landed normally, though, since they didn't need the forward deck for that.
Regarding coke, keep in mind that making coke does noting to reduce the non-flammable contaminants like silica and metallurgical component in the coal, so a lot of the fouling concerns aren't even addressed. Its also lower density, which means that while it burns hotter, if your bunkers are designed for higher density anthracite coals the realized range and handling systems might actually decrease. Its also dustier, which can be an issue for handling. You'd be better to have oil spraying for emergencies and stockpile from before the war, than try and convert coal to coke during.
Yes, as a potential customer, I prefer the A3. I would willingly pay higher costs. No, you're not overthinking it. Logistics are not easy, haha. It makes or breaks Navies and Armies. Just ask the Japanese...
You mention the 8" guns put on the first large US aircraft carriers (later 5"/38 twin mounts replaced them where they could fire over the deck). There were also many guns located around the edge of the flight deck, most below the level of the flight deck so as not to interfere with the aircraft deck storage, take-offs, and landings. Later a few US carriers got TERRIER AA Guided Missile Systems, with three or four radar/fire-control systems and a couple of twin-rail launchers. That turned out to be a TOTAL DISASTER. Aircraft carriers are AIRCRAFT carriers. ANYTHING that did or even could interfere with aircraft operations in any significant way was, in effect, turned off and left to rust (no joke!), if not heaved overboard, most certainly those missile systems. Maintaining them took a significant bite out of the ship's budget and pulled people away from aircraft-related tasks. This was NOT ALLOWED. When inspected, some of those TERRIER radars were essentially ruined by the jet engine blast as the jets on the decks warmed up; and pointed their tails away from the flight deck, not caring what was nearby their extremely hot flames. Radars literally had their internal parts MELTED and nobody on the ship cared a hoot. These systems were eventually removed as a lost cause. Be aware of this when you study what some equipment on a ship was ACTUALLY capable of, not what it was SUPPOSED to be capable of...
24:33 Land officers (some colonels or marshals not generals) who became admirals: Robert Blake, George Monck, Prince Rupert, Jacob von Wassenaer Obdam, Grigory Potemkin, Jean II d'Estrees... Admirals employed as land commanders included Pavel Chichagov, Pavel Nakhimov, Blas de Lezo and Alexandr Kolchak.
Drach must say I'm so happy for you hitting 200k subs not very often I post as it isn't easy for me to do so but I've been a fan of the change for a very long time think around 5k subs here's to many more subs and many many more great vids
Regarding posters, I feel the best option for US/Canada distribution would be to find someone in the US/Canada to produce the posters, hence decreasing both the shipping lag and cost (in the interest of full disclosure, I do work in the printing industry in a retail/on demand environment)
For the channel admin prefer the larger size and would happily pay the full wack on postage, but have you considered doing both? give people the option of having the smaller size with the cheaper postage or the large size with the more expensive postage. perhaps though there are logistical issues that may prevent that. On the Wargaming codes maybe a sweepstakes would be a better distribution method, monthly or bi monthly have people enter a random drawing for a code.
@ukkowalski I think they tried it once, but they forget to put enough holes in the box. They do make those holiday cards that you can record a message on. He could put one in the package!
Yeah, speaking of USS North Carolina & USS Enterprise, I seem to remember that when North Carolina opened up their Anti-aircraft fire some of the sailors were wondering if the North Carolina was on fire. When all it was, was all of her guns firing. I think that was August 24th. Or October.
Regarding the WoWs codes: good idea. Regarding the prints / posters: I'd personally prefer A3. Much better for framing etc. I'd be quite happy to pay the additional shipping costs.
I like the A4 poster idea, it would work well in a collection of similar posters or as an accent instead of a centerpiece. I don't really have a place to hang an A3 poster but for an A4 or A5, I can think of a few places to hang one.
NO, NO, NO! Kurita shouldn't have been on Yamato. His being on Yamato contributed to his losing control of the battle he was trying to fight. Spruance had it right keeping his flag on a heavy cruiser -- fast and you can shift them around as needed. That Savo Island detail was interesting. I had forgotten that if I ever heard it.
For the posters I say give people both options. If people want a bigger poster they'll pay for the shipping, when I order stuff overseas I paid the extra shipping to come to the US, it's just the added cost if you want it you'll pay for it. Once a year or so I order competition swimwear from Australia, the Australian to make the best swimwear 😎, and it costs about $15 US to ship them and a month to arrive. If I want the really nice swimsuits, that's the extra cost. My two cents, what the channel keep up the great work 🤘🤘🤘.
Speaking of modern warships, have you reviewed or have an opinion about the recently declassified documentation on the loss of the Thresher? I wrote about her loss. I think Bruce Rule's arguments about the SOUS data not supporting the offical reason for her loss as cogent. What do you think? Although I wrote my article before I was aware of his criticisms, so I took the Court of Inquiry's conclusions at face value.
Sinking of a flagship caused great trouble? In 1676, it essentially led to sweden loosing the battle of Ôland against a Danish-Norwegian and Dutch force, losing the Riksadmiral Lorentz Creutz and 850 men when the 120 cannon flagship Kronan listed and then subsequently blew up when a torch went into the powder magazine. I would say this is a great example of how bad it could go when your flagship decides to disintegrate and scatter itself over a wide area.
I'd prefer "let the buyer beware" - if they want the more expensive (to ship) version then let them pay the additional shipping required. Although from a marketing "position" having an outlet in the United States would be a more advantageous - less expensive - shipping option. And having a Drach "drydock" space on the mainland is an extra treat! Aloha
would it be possible to add some kind of captions on the pictures used ? not for copyright but for context... great work ! so much interesting pictures, paintings, etc
on shipping posters to the US, why not get someone to print them, and then ship them FROM here. you could email each poster to them, and then have them ship what people want. i think there are companies here that would do that, and if not, i would even do it at no charge, just the cost of production, just to have a copy of each.
Regarding codes, I would be inclined to use a give away bot of something, maybe best integrated in your Discord. Atleast it gives people an even chance and makes sure nobody can exploit a bot to scavenge codes instead. I admit it is a bit cumbersome just for some simple bonus codes, but making it first come, first serve basically ensures some people will never get a chance.
Battleships specifically US varieties were essentially high powered shields for the carriers. US Battleships had an Insane amount of AA cover for the carriers.
I was just wondering how effective you think Japanese surface ship ;gunnery was on daytime battles at normal gun ranges? It seems to me that at night up close they were quite good but the daytime battles seem to show a lack of hits compared to the amount of firing they were doing. From battles I've read about it seems it was their torpedo tactics that did most of the damage and not their gus.
@drachinifel some other CCs just make a discord-post. Then you react with a certain emoji to it (usualy pre-set by the CC). And after some time the winners are drawn randomly.
Does anyone know where to find this podcast Drachinfel mentioned that he does talking about modern ships. The only ones I can find is the Battlestar galactica one and the tarranto one in Bildge Pumps? Is that the only podcasts that they've done or is there more?
I gave some thought to the most revolutionary technology in the last 100 years and it has to be nuclear power. The introduction of the diesel-electric fast attack submarine made ASW harder but it did not convey a long term advantage because the submarine was still tied to the surface, and constrained in mobility. Nuclear power eliminated those constraints. The nuclear submarine has created what US Naval War College called the empty ocean. In a wartime environment surface ships will not survive for long.
Drach, why don't you set up a Dropbox type system and we can download the files and print them ourselves? this overcomes any file size limitations on email sizes, as are often created by ISPs?
I liked the diagram you had up showing the order in which US Dreadnought classes were made. I get confused as to which came before which and would be interested in getting a digital copy of that slide. If possible, how can I do that? Thank you for all the work you do, which I find very interesting, even though I do not know very much about the subject.
Pinned post for Q&A :)
Do you have any content on fire control, and how it changed over the years? I'm most interested in how techniques changed from ironclads, through ww2. Specifically how fire control was handled within a ship, as well as within a battle group.
In your opinion how would the Austria-Hungarian Navy fair in a head to head match against the Italian, French, and British Navy in the Mediterranean?
@@horrido666 I do have a video on rangefindong and firecontrol, although not one on the specific workings of fire control computers.
Is there a class of ships that you would have liked to see completed? It has to have been a class that was never started/completed fully.
Did battleships and cruisers of ww2 ever use their superior speed and gun range to dictate the range of engagement and stay away from the the enemies' effective gun range?
Both Drachinifel AND Forgotten Weapons Q&A on the same day. Perfect Sunday.
Ahhh a fellow person of culture! I salute you!
That almost makes up for the lack of forgotten weapons Q&A the month before.
Is Forgotten Warships another podcast/show? If so, I'd love a link to it, please!
@@MarkJoseph81 It's a channel run by Mr Ian McCollum and is centered around firearms of all eras, especially but not limited to the obscure, rare and, as the name suggests, forgotten weapons of history. Can be found on this site by simply typing forgotten weapons in the search bar
@@MarkJoseph81 ruclips.net/video/_GdQdJoyxSk/видео.html or use this link to get to Ian's video about the smokeless powder version of the Remington Lee rifle.
If you like how drach explains things about ships in his guides then I'm sure you'll appreciate the work Ian does with firearms.
Really liked the cross-deck firing question. That's a good, simple, question I didn't know I wondered about!
Do you have a time stamp approximately? Thankks
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@@CessnaPilot99 the description of every dry dock has the timestamp of every question
With regards to the question on coke and the High Seas Fleet, the answer is even more complex than Drach's comments. Coke has several physical forms, but it is essentially pure carbon. Some processes produce a fine powder or a soft material that is easily pulverized. Most of the low grade German coals fall into this category. The coke referred to in the question comes from certain specific grades of bituminous soft coal that are cooked to remove the minerals and chemicals present in coal leaving the carbon in a rock structure. If you have blast furnace steel mills that is the only thing you can use as your primary blast furnace fuel. Coke is loaded with iron ore and a few other things into the top of the furnace and the coke has to support the loads while the iron is melted free and the coke burns away. There are not many deposits of that grade coal in Europe and there would have been none to spare. Many people have attempted to make coke from lower grades of coal hoping to upgrade them, but the products are often too soft to handle and transport to be practical especially in a ship. The high dust content is also an explosive mix that can easily be detonated by accident. In the 1960's, the US power industry created boilers that used pulverized coal that was injected into the firing chamber which could use the poor coke, but the added costs are far too much to justify it. Some of the fine powder grades of coke produced in refineries are used in those boilers. The other problem is coke ovens are huge dirty operations in their own right that take years to build. Once Germany was in the throes of WW 1, it was too late. Ironically, the high grade steam coals make poor coke.
"No one ever comes out of a political conversation looking good." 😂 Drach, you are so right, brother👍🏻
Drach - as far as posters go: what about the idea of sending a high-res image and allowing us to have it printed on our end? It eliminates the shipping / postage costs entirely, and we can choose what size we want to have the image printed at. Then you are looking at sending a file that may be quite large, but still much less expensive than mailing. There are a lot of places in the US, for example, that do photo printing even up to A1 (over here in the Colonies, 24”x36” is a pretty common poster size). If you own the image files, then watermark it and sell them in your Etsy store as digital downloads.
Agreed. The only other option that I can think of is maybe get one of the US ship Preservation council/society & have THEM print/ship to US addresses, maybe with a slice of the pie going to the ship preservation fund. A bit more complicated but those groups already have the systems in place to do thing like this.
What about everyone else who dont live in the U.S.A?
@@Foxttellio I'm really not trying to be an A$$ & this is going to be long & Complicated & Short & Simple at the same time, Buuuuuttttt...
Outside the US(& the UK/EU) everything seems to get a bit more complicated. If he can post it on his own Edsy or Speadshirt stores as something like a PDF file perhaps you are able to purchase & download the file & have it printed locally. Working with a "Web-store" to have the units in their own stocks while easier for Drach really doesn't change the shipping cost issues, the same for possibly putting it up on a theoretical Ebay "Store". Ebay would give him a wide international reach, but wouldn't change the issues with shipping costs, the prices won't go down & he still would have to pay them(& then pass the costs on to the consumer).
An American "Organisation(generally PRIVATE groups that might only have SOME governmental ties)", if they run a group affiliated Online web store probably would be willing to ship Internationally & MIGHT(something that is somewhat iffy) have enough shipping VOLUME to drive their shipping cost down enough to make it viable. One of the reasons I never recommended a specific organization is that it isn't my place to promote any specific group(the USS Texas foundation WOULD be my personal pick, but I'm Definitely not Drach). Maybe he could approach one of the private groups supporting the Victory & see if they could/would ship internationally. The Giant issue with(to my knowledge) EVERY personnel web-store is that they all rely on the person running the account to be responsible for the shipping costs for everything they sell.
If Drach could set up an Amazon.co.uk "Storefront" & have Amazon handle all the shipping, that would be the best option, but Amazon will only "Partner" like that with a MAJOR Multi-National company. An Amazon "Storefront" as a personnel account leaves him in the same bind as his Edsy store, HE is still the one paying the shipping fees, which means HE is going to have to jack the price up on the product to get it anywhere but the UK & EU.
I'm just trying to brainstorm a way for him to partner up with someone with the same interests in his field of "Commerce" that has enough clout/volume too be able to drive down the Shipping costs. On the other hand if instead of just focusing on the shipping, again, if he is able to link up with an interested party that could drive down his PRODUCTION costs instead, then he would be able to have the Over-Seas shipping balanced out on the production side.
Of course if the images are as good as he says, then maybe paying 20 pounds for the poster & 10 pounds for shipping might be worth it.
I'm just spit-balling here, But what Drach is really trying to do FOR US, his audience, fellow Naval Enthusiasts, Is an INCREDIBLY complicated thing. I have no desire to see him go prematurely Gray Haired from the stress, or even Bald from tearing his hair out trying to get the costs way down when the economic/financial reality is that IT IS JUST GOING TO COST A LOT OF MONEY to ship something like that internationally.
This is an incredibly complicated thing to try & do. Amazon is a TRILLION dollar company(or at least close to) whose answer provided by financial departments that probably pull payroll the size of a small countries budget is STILL simply "Let the Pleb using Our Website To Sell Stuff Pay The Shipping Himself".
Sigh, I STILL really hate proof reading... ANY & ALL mistakes & misinformation are my own & I'm just a near toothless under educated American hick that likes to listen to somebody more knowledgeable than me talk about botes on the internet. And again, sorry about the attempted essay on the topic of attempting to maintain a profitable(or even just a BREAK EVEN) attempt at international commerce.
@@ovk-ih1zp ah no prob, i was just pointing that out. Doesnt bother me all that much or anything
bunker branding dot com out of Texas sells shirts, hats and other merchandise for a bunch of youtubers in the US. They should be able to reship your bulk packages for you. They would possibly even be able to handle the whole printing and distribution process for the north and south America's for you too.
Love the videos, thank you!
On the subject of firing Ship's boilers with Coke as opposed to Coal, aside from the many obstacles to be encountered in manufacturing the huge quantities of Coke that would be needed, there is also the fact that the boilers would need to be fitted out to burn Coke instead of Coal. Coke burns hotter, and would need grating designed to withstand that heat, and provide sufficient draft to feed the fires. Coke does not last as long as Coal, it burns fairly quickly, and requires greater care in firing , and fire management to insure proper, and safe conditions for the Boiler. Coke requires a very consistent air supply to insure it burns with greatest efficiency, and least wear, and tear on the firebox, and Boiler. Coke can be subject to inconsistent burning, having hot, and cold spots if the draft is not carefully managed. The Black gangs will be working much harder to keep things working well, and to prevent damage to the boilers. Anthracite is fussy enough, Coke is even more difficult t work with, especially in the amounts a Battle Ship would require.
BIG SHIPS BURN BIG COAL
beardo52 : One of the best comments I've ever read ;-)
Lol I read this and then I read the part about the black gangs and I thought it was a joke referencing cocaine.
😂😂😂
Battleships: Ablative armor for carriers.
lol!
Auxiliary Pew, Pew, Pew for the Carrier Task force.
Laser attack?
Maybe a BB size upgraded Atlanta maybe? Because as a stanstandard we Americans want ALL THE GUNS, because why stop at a CL with 8 5" DP(twin) guns when you could have a ship with 20 or 40? Because Yes.
@@GoldPicard with the combined muzzle flashes and tracers it might blind the pilots as an extra level of defence.
Wow, congrats Drachinifel, looks like you just hit 200k subs. Hope you get many more.
This guy is increasing his subs fast... it's not long ago that he went past 100k...
Oh my god that ROK DDG, Sejong the Great looks amazing. I don't know if I have ever seen something that was so clearly a design derivative of something else, while not being that other thing. I was looking at the picture and I was like, "That isn't a Burke Class... I know it isn't... It doesn't look quite right... but OMG that thing is VERY Arleigh Burke-eqsue. You couldn't get closer to building a Burke, but at the same time end up with something that ISN'T A BURKE CLASS."
Never seen that photo of a Wildcat chewing up the deck with its prop. That's.... wild!
How does the batman signal "nose up a bit"?
In the early 1950's lived in Singapore for a couple of years. My Dad took my brother and me(aged 7 at the time) out to the USS Wasp moored in the harbour. Never forgot the gouge mark in the deck from where a prop had left its mark, was a couple of inches deep!
The last time I was this early for Drach, Jackie Fisher was harassing his middies.
Or maybe Jackie Fisher was a Midshipman?
David and Richard both could be right! There is a pecking order in the ward room and Middies harass other middies
Best naval history channel on RUclips.
"Why didn't the High-Seas fleet use coke instead of coal?"
I mean the German military isn't unfamiliar with drugs, but what the...
Looool
coke already had their own fleet so they didnt need a sponsorship deal
Hunter Biden took all of it.
I thought they used fanta as fuel because their access to coke was cut off.
@@voiceofraisin3778 Wasn't that Pepsi?
Congratulations on 200k Drach! It’s been fun seeing all these guides and educational videos over the years
Answering your question about posters, oh yes, I would love to see some of those drawings as posters! Also I would personally prefer A3-sized ones, which would go well with my 1/350 warships models - if they prove to be viable in the future I'll definitely get those, otherwise I'd settle for A4, I wouldn't mind the higher shipping costs. But that's just me.
Also, let's fire a salute for each of every 200,000 subs you reached! Congratulations, you definitely deserve this popularity!
In regards to the A3 posters and A4 'Large Letters', the USPS, UPS, and other delivery services have a 1 in 3 chance of arriving inside their destination undamaged, they tend to ignore 'Do Not Bend' signage. Tubes are much more obvious if damaged, and are not bendable.
Taking pictures of the sunrise as this popped up. Good morning from Georgia; time for some coffee and the Drydock!
Addressing the generals to admirals question, before the 17th-century it was very common for a general to command a fleet. The Dutch, English and French all did this. And sometimes not even a general, but simply a high-ranking aristocrat who would have the inborn authority to tamp down the unruly competition between gentlemen, sailors and other ranks. An example might be Alonso Pérez de Guzmán y Sotomayor, 7th Duke of Medina Sidonia who was browbeaten into commanding the Invincible Armada. As it turned out this reluctant commander probably did as good a job as could have been done. Maybe he could have disobeyed orders and gone off on his own after learning of the Duke of Parma's inability to "join hands" with him, but by then it was too late anyway. The Duke of Medina Sidonia probably should have taken an English port. He had the ships and soldiers to do that. Who knows though. But we should respect this man who was given a close to impossible task and fulfilled it in a way that did him great credit. IMHO.
This is my favorite RUclips channel
You mention the Sejong the Great class in the context of heavily armed ships ranging from the Kirov to the Arleigh Burkes. The Sejongs are actually derived from the Arleigh Burke class, but with very substantial improvements. The displacement was substantially increased in order to allow them to be made bigger with much more internal space, which made them much faster and cheaper to construct. They also obviously significantly increased the primary armament. And they changed the hull form to make it more efficient, so that the installed propulsive power could actually be decreased by about 5%, despite the ships displacing more than 1000 tons more than the Arleigh Burkes.
Subscribed for well over a year and still love this channel. Thank you drach for helping me hold real info over my wows friends lol
In Vietnam there was Vietnamese riverine boats taken down by USS New Jersey doing shore bombardment. Apparently 16" HE rounds cause sudden existence failure.
Supposedly she did that much damage. SUPPOSEDLY.
The follow on class to the South Carolina-class dreadnought battleships were the Delaware-class. The Florida-class was the third class of American dreadnought.
my buddy walked in on me listening to you talking about "germans using coke as a fuel resource" and just about faced and walked out without waiting for context
As usual fantastic drydock! I have found myself more and more looking forward to any of your talks (is it called a 'Post' when you place a video and or stills with vocals on a channel?) On any subject.
When, not if, you and your channel takes off, I do hope you do not change your format too much, it's a more intimate style and makes the viewer feel as if you are sitting in a comfortable study discussing these subjects amongst friends. Don't allow the "experts" to change your very welcoming style.
Thank you so much for all you do, the hardest working person of YT...
"Night is a form of weather." -Drach, 2020
It is though, for air and naval operations
31:54 You mention radar as the most important development. I would suggest that the reasons you put forward show that not radar, but the slow phosphors that make a ppi radar display possible are your real development. Only the allies had these in use, and that was what made the vast improvement in situational awareness exhibited in their post 1942 operations possible.
On the poster question, it might be best to send digital artwork to a distributor in the US, and actually print and dispatch them from there. I'm sure there are several photo-printing services across the pond who would be happy to work with you. A friend/colleague does this for their D&D character sheet printing services.
On a personal note, I'd be happy to pay a reasonable price for high-resolution digital artwork, then I could print it in whatever size I wanted (most likely A2) and frame it.
"But when you go with some fewer, larger guns, any individual shot will probably stop a destroyer dead in his path..."
USS Johnston lauging dry from the depths.
As long as you use the right amunition.
Keep in mind that Johnston was a 2,000 ton Fletcher, while the various nations kind of settled on 6"/15 cm as the best compromise anti torpedo boat/destroyer gun before WW1 when a 1,000 ton destroyer was big.
Previously mentioned by others, but I also support the idea of making downloadable image files available instead of trying to sell posters. This means leas work fiddling with shipping, and more variety as once the image is scanned it doesn't matter if you sell 0 units or 10,000
52:45 The Royal Navy was responsible for a number of innovative developments post WWII, it steam catapults, the mirrored landing system and angled flight deck. I am surprised you didn't mention their efforts at rubber flight decks allowing aircraft without landing gear.
Been there...was a crewman on a Sumner class destroyer which was in drydock at the Shipyards in Norfolk, VA YEARS AGO...still standing watches...sighs...with all the maintenance and upgrades going on around me...when being inside, and bounding all over from the hammers, bangs, and slams going on...grins...and I still remember that episode...
I'd prefer to get the bigger ones, The extra shipping cost is something I pay only once; the larger size I'll enjoy every time I see it.
As for using the larger (over 4") HE/HC shells as AA shells: US HC shells were built with a non-delay or, for the battleship-sized shell later in WWII, a 0.01-second-delay base fuze which was not removable, in addition to being able to fit a steel nose plug (to use the base fuze and turn the HC shell into an extra-large-explosive-filler SAP/base-fuzed Common shell). a Point Detonating Fuze (instantaneous nose fuze with only a very thin armor penetration capability, either by direct punching prior to the explosion at close range or, for thinner plate, blowing a hole in the impacted plate by blast and the somewhat larger fragments in the forward cone of pieces generated by the detonation in the somewhat thicker nose portion of the shell), or a mechanical or powder time fuze (mechanical only for US WWII HC shells). The time fuze would be used against many kinds of shore targets for air bursts or against aircraft (not too effectively unless the gun could fire rather rapidly, of course). After mid-1943, Variable Time (VT, the code name for the very-short-range proximity fuzes) were introduced. For the smaller guns, 6" down to 4" in WWII, which used tiny vacuum tubes (British "valves"). Shells with VT fuzes had to be made separately, since they were fitted with protective electrically-grounded shields when stored that had to be removed prior to loading. The shield required a modification to the nose for an added set of screw threads for this shield and, due to the larger size of the fuze projecting into the shell cavity, a smaller Auxiliary Detonating Fuze in US HC shells for nose-fuzed shell handling safety. Thus, the VT-fitted HC shells ONLY had the VT fuze, though the base fuze remained in the larger gun shells for direct hits. The other, older, non-VT HC shells could have their impact and time nose fuzes and solid steel nose plugs exchanged aboard ship just prior to a battle, as desired -- I assume that if AA use was important for the given gun, some time-fuzed shells would be ready to use immediately in the handling rooms/magazines.. Note that later, when the VT fuze was fully dedicated for US 5"/38 AA guns, the VT fuze had an impact capability and the base fuze was removed as taking up too much room that could be used for more explosive and, for the first time in any US Navy shell introduced since circa-1925 over 40mm (others fillers used here because they shared US Army ammo for these small guns), a filler called Composition A-3 using the new explosive Cyclonite/RDX in increase blast power with NO anti-surface-ship use. These dedicated 5"/38 VT-fuzed shells using the new, extra-powerful filler were termed "AA Common" (Common shells could be base- or nose-fuzed in the US Navy, but most used against surface targets -- shore or ships -- were base-fuzed, usually with no AP cap (except the 1930 8" Mark 15 which did have a cap, though I am not sure what ships ever got that shell). A few old base-fuzed Common shells used in the US Navy 5"/50 and 5"/51 guns in WWII, mostly older battleship secondaries, still had black-powder/granulated TNT mixtures for increased incendiary and delay-action effect, just like British WWI-era CPC, though with less explosive than CPC and no windscreen or AP cap.
When the IOWA Class was reactivated, the rule was that the ships no longer could exchange nose fuzes in their non-VT-fuzed HC shells, from what I was told, so the ships load-outs of HC ammo had to be done when docked or, perhaps, sometimes by Underway Replenishment as to fuzing.
I appreciate your consideration of of our opinions in all matters. You truly are an English gentleman! As for the etsy idea,I'm good with that, or whatever you come up with as far as the posters go. Choice is always good and you should be able to find a US distributor and after protecting yourself in some way, be able to just send the files , instead of printing & shipping 50 posters at a time across the Atlantic. There has to be a better way . This is nearly 2021 anyway. Also idk if the rest of the world uses A3-A4 type of measures. As for myself in the US I will have to look that up, but I do know what an 11"x8" poster would look like....I don't think I could call that a poster though. I personally wouldn't mind paying $20-$25 US in total, for something say 15"x25" to be bought & then shipped across the pond. I don't know if that would be worth it for you though. If you could use the internet in some way to get folks their posters &only send a couple emails, then, that's very efficient. Thank you good sir,, & I'm sure what ever you come up with will be fine.
Thanks for another great Drydock
Another carrier innovation I read the US navy used for carriers was a cross deck catapult fitted in the hanger to launch aircraft from there.
Getting back to basics on class types is nice and refreshing also.
I think a combination of both posters would be super convenient and having the poster in general would be amazing
Interesting episode, some fascinating questions.
On the channel admin questions: some sort of indication of World of Warship codes are still valid would definitely be useful, rather than spending ages trying each one.
On the posters: as a UK resident, I'd always prefer the bigger size, but if it is possible to do both A3 and A4 then that's also great.
If a lot of customers are in the USA then a distributor is probably worth looking into, but equally I image most people will understand that international shipping is costly and so will be prepared to pay those costs, especially when it comes to reproductions of some of the more unique plans/photos/images you have.
The state of New York back when it was a colony was actually named after the Duke of York who was one of the patrons of the company aquiring that colony and not the City/County York, so USS New York and HMS Duke of York are technically ultimately named for the same thing although not identically named.
The same applies to USS West Virginia and HMS Queen Elizabeth.
Rising Sun, Failing Skies by Jeffrey Cox is good read covering the ABDA disaster.
Congratulations on 200k! Beyond well deserved!
I think the big mistake with ABDA Command was the failure to make an ABD command in Summer 1940. If the Australians Dutch and British had got together in 1940 and started the groundwork for a potential collective defence of the area that year and a half of work would have been invaluable despite the lack of resources and the Americans would simply be joining a pre existing structure. It would also have been very usefull for the RN as it would be acting as a deterrent of sorts and allowing the admiralty to stand up more to Churchill with Force Z by negating its need especially due to the excellent Dutch Submarine force. and even if Force Z had been sent it would simply be a Heavy element to an existing fleet and certainly have had cruiser support and thus much more effective AA capability. Their is even an outside chance that if an ABD command had been set up in 1940 French Indo China would have either declared for the Free France not Vichy or have or have resisted the Japanese request to occupy it in 1941 thus wiping out the Japanese southern strike capability before it is even born or at the very least they may have tried to take it in late 1940 early 1940 in concurrent events to the British and Free French attacks on Syria and other Vichy controlled holdings.
South Korea's obsession for firepower goes back quite a while actually. They invented the Hwa-cha/Shin-gi-jeon multiple arrow launching system in like the 13-15th centuries, they made dozens of different mortars, cannons, rockets, and shells in the Joseon dynasty, and ever since the Korean War they are obsessed with ground and seaborne firepower in the form of missiles and artillery.
first off, thanks drach, ive only recently caught up with videos as they come out since watching ALL of them took a long time. its been a real delight working through them though. after xmas when i have some spending money again i plan to throw some your way via patreon/shop as a thank you.
second, if i was buying a poster i would rather have a larger nicer poster even if it cost 2-3x as much. also, charge us 100% of the shipping! if you feel you have been getting plenty of patreon/drydock donation money use it for events or something rather than taking a few bucks off people's orders imo.
I find it a bit odd that the Italian fast battleship class of WW2 are called both the "Littorio" class and the "Vittorio Veneto" class. Many books I own describe them as the "Vittorio Veneto" class. It would make sense since she was launched nearly a month before Littorio and was commissioned first into the Regia Marina. I would also even consider Roma and Impero as a subclass since they had numerous changes in design compared to their two older sisters. Unfortunately for the Italians, Impero was never completed😓
Re the comment about landing on the bows around 53:00 - I believe the origin of the USN requirement was not to account for battle damage, but rather a concern about not having the carriers wander out of the formation if in search of the correct wind orientation. (Assume fleet all steaming with a tail wind, if landings are only possible with a head wind the the carriers have to do a 180 whiole landing aircraft, which puts them horribly out of position, whereas with bow-on landing the cariers could keep pace with the fleet) This may have been influenced by the low speed of the very early USN carriers.
Also, the modern "bear claw"/"haul down" helicopter landing system on smaller ships is a modern version of the "bunch of guys grab onto the plane" landing technique
Happy 200k subs Drach. I love the content that you put out.
I've always wanted to know more about the ABDACOM fleet, but there is very little detailed information available.
I recommend 'Rising Sun, Failing Skies' by Jeffrey Cox is good read covering the ABDA disaster. He goes into some of the politics behind the scenes as well.
@@roboticus71 Thank You! Luckily it's on "Good Reads" So I may get it as soon as I finish my list. Hopefully, so many books so little time.
57:57 - Kamchatka has been avenged
🎉🎉 200K Congrats Drach!! 🎉🎉
Generally, from what I have heard, the way you tell a ship from a boat is that the former leans outward when you pull a turn and the latter leans inwards on the turn.
on the Posters, get one of the US ship Preservation council/society, sell them through the online gift shop & have THEM print/ship to US addresses, maybe with a slice of the pie going to the ship preservation fund. A bit more complicated but those groups already have the systems in place to do thing like this.
Take care of yourself Professor. Best wishes!
Drachinifel: talking about shortages of coke
Young people with no or limited industrial knowledge: "why couldn't they use pepsi?"
Young people think of something other than a tasty beverage
WW2 German army: "Dad, please send more Pervitin"
39:15
The ROK Navy isn't messing around.
128 VLS launch cells on each of the three ships in the Sejong The Great class.
96 on an Arleigh Burke.
So the Korean People's Army Naval Force has 384 incoming problems to deal with.
My father was plane guarding Hornet during Halsey's typhoon. The forward flight deck was bent down over the bow --looked like a Dali painting to me-- and they launched a/c over the stern by steaming all back full. Dad thought it was hilarious. I would guess they landed normally, though, since they didn't need the forward deck for that.
Regarding coke, keep in mind that making coke does noting to reduce the non-flammable contaminants like silica and metallurgical component in the coal, so a lot of the fouling concerns aren't even addressed. Its also lower density, which means that while it burns hotter, if your bunkers are designed for higher density anthracite coals the realized range and handling systems might actually decrease. Its also dustier, which can be an issue for handling. You'd be better to have oil spraying for emergencies and stockpile from before the war, than try and convert coal to coke during.
Yes, as a potential customer, I prefer the A3. I would willingly pay higher costs. No, you're not overthinking it. Logistics are not easy, haha. It makes or breaks Navies and Armies. Just ask the Japanese...
You mention the 8" guns put on the first large US aircraft carriers (later 5"/38 twin mounts replaced them where they could fire over the deck). There were also many guns located around the edge of the flight deck, most below the level of the flight deck so as not to interfere with the aircraft deck storage, take-offs, and landings. Later a few US carriers got TERRIER AA Guided Missile Systems, with three or four radar/fire-control systems and a couple of twin-rail launchers. That turned out to be a TOTAL DISASTER. Aircraft carriers are AIRCRAFT carriers. ANYTHING that did or even could interfere with aircraft operations in any significant way was, in effect, turned off and left to rust (no joke!), if not heaved overboard, most certainly those missile systems. Maintaining them took a significant bite out of the ship's budget and pulled people away from aircraft-related tasks. This was NOT ALLOWED. When inspected, some of those TERRIER radars were essentially ruined by the jet engine blast as the jets on the decks warmed up; and pointed their tails away from the flight deck, not caring what was nearby their extremely hot flames. Radars literally had their internal parts MELTED and nobody on the ship cared a hoot. These systems were eventually removed as a lost cause. Be aware of this when you study what some equipment on a ship was ACTUALLY capable of, not what it was SUPPOSED to be capable of...
24:33
Land officers (some colonels or marshals not generals) who became admirals: Robert Blake, George Monck, Prince Rupert, Jacob von Wassenaer Obdam, Grigory Potemkin, Jean II d'Estrees... Admirals employed as land commanders included Pavel Chichagov, Pavel Nakhimov, Blas de Lezo and Alexandr Kolchak.
Thanks a bunch.
Drach must say I'm so happy for you hitting 200k subs not very often I post as it isn't easy for me to do so but I've been a fan of the change for a very long time think around 5k subs here's to many more subs and many many more great vids
Thank you.
Regarding posters, I feel the best option for US/Canada distribution would be to find someone in the US/Canada to produce the posters, hence decreasing both the shipping lag and cost (in the interest of full disclosure, I do work in the printing industry in a retail/on demand environment)
For the channel admin prefer the larger size and would happily pay the full wack on postage, but have you considered doing both? give people the option of having the smaller size with the cheaper postage or the large size with the more expensive postage. perhaps though there are logistical issues that may prevent that. On the Wargaming codes maybe a sweepstakes would be a better distribution method, monthly or bi monthly have people enter a random drawing for a code.
I'll join in on offering both sizes and letting the customer decide. I don't think a shipping delay is that big of a deal.
I'll agree on 2 sizes as well. I'm biased, walls already cluttered up with silly things like "wedding pictures". Hahaha
@ukkowalski I think they tried it once, but they forget to put enough holes in the box. They do make those holiday cards that you can record a message on. He could put one in the package!
200K Congratulations are in order. Fire the salute gun!
Just don’t use gunners from the Second Pacific Squadron.
Yeah, speaking of USS North Carolina & USS Enterprise, I seem to remember that when North Carolina opened up their Anti-aircraft fire some of the sailors were wondering if the North Carolina was on fire. When all it was, was all of her guns firing. I think that was August 24th. Or October.
Regarding the WoWs codes: good idea. Regarding the prints / posters: I'd personally prefer A3. Much better for framing etc. I'd be quite happy to pay the additional shipping costs.
I like the A4 poster idea, it would work well in a collection of similar posters or as an accent instead of a centerpiece. I don't really have a place to hang an A3 poster but for an A4 or A5, I can think of a few places to hang one.
9:42 - IIRC, the _Minas Geraeses_ didn't have _any_ cross-deck firing (due to superstructure being in the way).
Indeed, I probably didn't quite express the idea I was trying to convey there properly :)
No disrespect to Admiral Dorman but I feel he was out of his element commanding abda.
58:04 I guess you didn't use the "Kamchatka" search engine looking for those pictures. :)
NO, NO, NO! Kurita shouldn't have been on Yamato. His being on Yamato contributed to his losing control of the battle he was trying to fight. Spruance had it right keeping his flag on a heavy cruiser -- fast and you can shift them around as needed.
That Savo Island detail was interesting. I had forgotten that if I ever heard it.
Could you please do a short presentation on the notoriously famous ship, the S. S. MINNOW.
For the posters I say give people both options. If people want a bigger poster they'll pay for the shipping, when I order stuff overseas I paid the extra shipping to come to the US, it's just the added cost if you want it you'll pay for it.
Once a year or so I order competition swimwear from Australia, the Australian to make the best swimwear 😎, and it costs about $15 US to ship them and a month to arrive. If I want the really nice swimsuits, that's the extra cost.
My two cents, what the channel keep up the great work 🤘🤘🤘.
Speaking of modern warships, have you reviewed or have an opinion about the recently declassified documentation on the loss of the Thresher? I wrote about her loss. I think Bruce Rule's arguments about the SOUS data not supporting the offical reason for her loss as cogent. What do you think? Although I wrote my article before I was aware of his criticisms, so I took the Court of Inquiry's conclusions at face value.
Charge 15£ shipping and return the unused quantity.
As an acquirer, I would prefer A3, but I would also put down good money for awesome originals.
Sinking of a flagship caused great trouble?
In 1676, it essentially led to sweden loosing the battle of Ôland against a Danish-Norwegian and Dutch force, losing the Riksadmiral Lorentz Creutz and 850 men when the 120 cannon flagship Kronan listed and then subsequently blew up when a torch went into the powder magazine. I would say this is a great example of how bad it could go when your flagship decides to disintegrate and scatter itself over a wide area.
46:00 How quickly was that demonitized? 😅
I say the A3 size is good for me and I would pay full price from Great Britain to the USA with a smile on my face
Same here.
Drach and coffee. Perfect .
I'd prefer "let the buyer beware" - if they want the more expensive (to ship) version then let them pay the additional shipping required. Although from a marketing "position" having an outlet in the United States would be a more advantageous - less expensive - shipping option. And having a Drach "drydock" space on the mainland is an extra treat! Aloha
would it be possible to add some kind of captions on the pictures used ? not for copyright but for context... great work ! so much interesting pictures, paintings, etc
on shipping posters to the US, why not get someone to print them, and then ship them FROM here. you could email each poster to them, and then have them ship what people want. i think there are companies here that would do that, and if not, i would even do it at no charge, just the cost of production, just to have a copy of each.
Regarding codes, I would be inclined to use a give away bot of something, maybe best integrated in your Discord. Atleast it gives people an even chance and makes sure nobody can exploit a bot to scavenge codes instead. I admit it is a bit cumbersome just for some simple bonus codes, but making it first come, first serve basically ensures some people will never get a chance.
Integrating it with the discord means he could use his most trusted mods to do this, he already has enough on his plate.
Time to add to my long list of discord servers
@@captain61games49 same, you should have seen the shock from my diving club members most of whom had never used discord when I shared my screen.
Very true
@@LazyTestudines ha even to my friends who uses discord a lot were surprised I've got over 8 folders with more than 4 servers inside
Battleships specifically US varieties were essentially high powered shields for the carriers. US Battleships had an Insane amount of AA cover for the carriers.
That was a role they were forced into, not what they were designed for.
24:33 thanks a bunch, Drach.
Concerning the Posters, I would prefer A3 and be willing to pay the full shippingcosts for it.
Not sure what the shipping cost to Canada vs. the US would be but in any case bigger is definitely better!
I suggest you contact The Chieftain as you know each other about sending the posters.
I was just wondering how effective you think Japanese surface ship ;gunnery was on daytime battles at normal gun ranges? It seems to me that at night up close they were quite good but the daytime battles seem to show a lack of hits compared to the amount of firing they were doing. From battles I've read about it seems it was their torpedo tactics that did most of the damage and not their gus.
Sleep? No, drydock no. 121!
@drachinifel some other CCs just make a discord-post. Then you react with a certain emoji to it (usualy pre-set by the CC). And after some time the winners are drawn randomly.
congrats on 200k subs!
Does anyone know where to find this podcast Drachinfel mentioned that he does talking about modern ships. The only ones I can find is the Battlestar galactica one and the tarranto one in Bildge Pumps? Is that the only podcasts that they've done or is there more?
Cimsec.org :)
Here you go:
the-bilgepumps.simplecast.com/
I gave some thought to the most revolutionary technology in the last 100 years and it has to be nuclear power. The introduction of the diesel-electric fast attack submarine made ASW harder but it did not convey a long term advantage because the submarine was still tied to the surface, and constrained in mobility. Nuclear power eliminated those constraints. The nuclear submarine has created what US Naval War College called the empty ocean. In a wartime environment surface ships will not survive for long.
Another reason to have BB’s and CC’s is that carriers early in the war had very limited to no ability to strike targets at night.
Except that being tied to carriers kept the battleships out of firing distance of the enemy, so they weren’t needed.
Drach,
why don't you set up a Dropbox type system and we can download the files and print them ourselves? this overcomes any file size limitations on email sizes, as are often created by ISPs?
I liked the diagram you had up showing the order in which US Dreadnought classes were made. I get confused as to which came before which and would be interested in getting a digital copy of that slide. If possible, how can I do that? Thank you for all the work you do, which I find very interesting, even though I do not know very much about the subject.
Send me an email or Discord DM :)