Funnily enough, my brother came into a Spanish Mauser carbine for a hundred bucks because the cocking piece had been rotated out of position. The people at the shop apparently couldn't figure out what was amiss and just threw it on the bargain table.
A minor point: Chang Tso-lin did not actually proclaim a separate republic. In 1922, Chang did state that he would no longer be subjugated to the Beijing government, but in 2 years he managed to take control of the city of Beijing itself, making him the puppet master behind the de-jure government over all of China. In fact, Chang's Manchurian Clique was actually one of the 2 major "kingmaker" factions in pre-KMT Republic of China.
The Japanese called Mukden Arsenal Hoten Arsenal as the Japanese renamed the city from the Manchu name of Mukden to Hoten. The city is now known as Shenyang.
Actually Hoten isn't a renaming - when the Manchus proclaimed the Qing Dynasty in 1626, they set Mukden as their capital and called it Fengtian in Chinese. 'Hoten' is the Japanese transliteration of 'Fengtian' - which is a pretty political move, since it links the Manchukuo regime to the old Qing regime.
@@Berthier_Enjoyer Yeah. And in Taiwan there's a funnier story - there was a city called Takau in the local language, which literally meant 'Dog-beating'. The Japanese thought that name wasn't classy, so they changed it to Takao, with different (and nicer-sounding) kanji. When the Chinese came back, they adopted the nicer sounding name, which is where Kaohsiung's name comes from.
@@Ealsante Taiwan? You mean Formosa? ;) I love my grandfather atlas. It's pre-WW2 and it feels at times like from another world entirely, since even if some names are similar, the spelling is all weird
Thank you Ian. Though it’s a little, weird, to learn about Chinese firearm from a white man. I really appreciate your works. My grandfather lived as a young fellow who hunted a lot in our hometown, before the 1949. My father and I have always been keen on small arms, but NEVER got any chance to even touch one. They never published any decent books introducing them either. So it’s been such a great relief that I could use RUclips in our university(a bit dubious for the government to make these exceptions).A 21 yo atheist, send you my best regards from China. Thank you, Gun Jesus.
its such a different feeling to see a rifle made in my hometown when im in us. chinese northern eastern army used these liao type 13（遼13式）to fight against Japanese invaders in ww2. awesome video
The Treaty of Versailles had absolutely nothing to do with Austria, it only concerned the entente powers and Germany. The treaty between those powers and Austria (as one of the successor states to Austro-Hungary), was the Treaty of St. Germain.
If you watch the movie "The Last Emperor", it showcases a lot of the history surrounding this time period in China. It's mostly about the life of China's last emperor (obviously), but you get some other good history as well.
Bernardo Bertolucci's classic bio-pic from my youth, so glad you mentioned this! _'The Last Emperor'_ won nine Oscars in 1987, including best picture and best director. Fun fact : David Byrne from the Talking Heads helped with the motion picture score, which won a Grammy. 😊
The Manchurian Type 13 looks very similar to the Models 1907, 1910, and 1912 which Mexico had adopted in the 98 pattern in 7mm Mauser. The Mexican rifles majority of them were made by Steyr in Austria.
I'm shocked Ian. Steyr is a place, the engineering and manufacturing concern located there was OEG. As for the 300 yard minimum range on the sights, we need to remember that "flat trajectory" was a fairly new concept so the assumption probably was that inside that range no adjuztment would be needed.
Hey Ian, don't know if you do this sort of thing but I just heard about a weapon manufactured in Australia that have civilian variants sold in the US. The gun is called the F90, with the civilian one being the ATRAX. It's very similar to the AUG and I think it would be amazing to see you take a gander at it's innards. Don't know if you really do requests as I imagine trying to get a hold of these weapons every week are rather difficult. Love the video's man, one of the reasons I'd like to be a weapons designer. Good luck for the future!
Zhang Zuolin (張作霖) was a BANDIT who was absorbed into the Qing imperial Army during the final decade of the Dynasty. He later became a Warlord in Northern China who allied with (or at least tolerates) the Japanese and opposed the nationalist government forces. At it's height in the 1920s his Fengtian Army had an Air Force and a Navy in addition to ground forces. He was defeated in battle in 1928 and assassinated later that year. He was perhaps better known for the deeds of his son Zhang Xueliang (張學良) who succeeded him. Zhang Xueliang reversed his father's stance and opposed the Japanese incursions. He went as far as to stage a Coup D'etat successfully against Chiang Kai Shiek. Perhaps foolishly, he released Chiang and returned with him to the capital after Chiang agreed to ally with the Chicoms to resist the Japanese. Chiang, upon returning to his loyalist power base, promptly arrested Zhang Jr. He was imprisoned -- first in China and later in Taiwan until Chiang's death in 1975. The junior Zhang immigrated to the USA in 1993 and died in 2001 at the age of 100. Zhang Jr. is considered a National Hero and a Patriot by the Chicoms for his deeds to unite the Nationalist and Chicom forces against the Japanese. What is important to understand about the Zhang's was that at the turn of the 20th century, the industrial base of China is not in the coastal cities like Shanghai and Guangzhou, or even in the Capital of Beijing, The industrial development was in North Eastern China (where the Zhang controlled); particularly near the city of Mukden (near modern day Shenyang). This was because it was the power base of the Qing dynasty's modernized Beiyang Army (under Yuan Shikai), because it was the area which saw industrial development under Zhang Senior's able advisor Wang Yong Jiang and also because it was close to, and assisted by, Japanese occupied Manchuria with whom Zhang Sr. was aligned.
Um... mate, as far as Warlord Era is concerned, Fengtian clique was doing pretty well. And it's amazing how much you wrote, but managed to miss on Wang Yongjiang, aka the real reason why Zhang had money on expensive hardware. Sometimes good, competent and loyal people end up with the misfortune of having extremely bad bosses.
@@yukin1990 lololol, man, you should read the history that from Taiwan, which the Nationalist China ROC now. you will know how terrible those Nationalist China did during 1930-1949.
yes it is and its really really good he did a very good and respectful job of bringing ww1 to life its actual footage just really enhanced its amazing also I will send you a link to watch it cause im from the states it wouldn't be out till I think the 17 of December I couldn't wait that long lol. www4.fmovies.to/film/they-shall-not-grow-old.7wr56/ljv0lm just have adblocker cause it pops up annoying ads if you don't
It’s funny as a few weeks ago a website had one of these listed as an arisaka and I dug round on the internet for a few hours to find out what this really was and found out it was this model of rifle, it was fun to do the research anyway and I contacted the website and they changed it XD
During the period of the Manchukuo puppet state, Mukden Arsenal continued to produce the Type 13 for the Imperial Manchukuo Army as well as reissuing prior stocks. By the last year of the war, a version in 6.5x50SR was produced as well, usually called the Type 45. Also, as the Type 13 bayonet was very similar to the French-inspired Type 30 Arisaka bayonet rather than the German or Czech patterns, I think it's another point in favour of the "Steyr inspired by Arisaka" notion.
I remember someone (Ian) talking about the Arisaka dust covers making noise so most of those got "lost". Is it possible that these were noisy or maybe interfered with operation enough that they got "lost" too? Beautiful rifle anyways, but way out of my budget. (I am at the point where someone is going to have to pay me to take one...) :(
I believe the primary reason for Arisaka dust covers vanishing was actually the IJA collecting and scrapping them as metal shortages became more of a problem. Also, IIRC the Manchurian Mauser dust covers were extremely well-fitted and wouldn't have caused much noise.
No. Ian is on record saying that the dust covers issued with the rifles did not rattle. Just look at his Type 38 mud test video. There is no reason to suspect that the dust cover on the type 13 would be any different, especially as here the dust cover serves a functional purpose in the mechanical operation of the gun. It is far more likely that the dust cover was removed as "unnecessary" in civilian hands, especially as it makes the rifle look unconventional compared to other Mausers. Although it's not inconceivable that some poorly trained Chinese conscript did genuinely lose it during a cleaning. But it was unlikely to have been intentionally discarded in a theatre of war.
Losing that dust cover is a good way to get hollered by your own NCO for negligent use of the Japanese Emperor's property (anything that has a Chrysanthemum mon is an Imperial property).
Steyr may have gotten a type 38 Arisaka and thus the small vent holes in the receivers from the Russians. The Japanese gave a ton of them as war aid to the Russians, so it’s not hard to expect that a weird “Russian” rifle found in the eastern front would find its way to the Austrian center of firearms excellence: Steyr
The bolt handle would be another indicator that a Type 38 Arisaka had been examined by Steyr's engineers and they decided to incorporate elements from it into their improved Mauser 98. That "onion" isn't quite the same as the lemon-shaped knob on Arisaka bolt handles, but it's certainly reminiscent of it.
@@RedXlV A few other bits of Arisaka DNA made it into the Type 13, in form and function: The bolt knob is the obvious one The enclosed firing pin is somewhat reminiscent of the enclosed firing pin with internal spring in the Arisaka The dust cover is VERY Arisaka The gas vents (as Ian mentioned) The cut recess in the bolt rear lug I have seen on another Mauser type, but can't put my finger on it now. Steyr also seem to have taken some features from DWM export Mausers like the Portuguese M904 Verguero front band (I know Steyr, DWM and Mauser Oberndorf did try this simplified short band on quite a few export sales samples etc). The Siamese/Thai "Mauser" Type 46 (made by Koishikawa in Japan, adopted in 1903) also bears the same simplified band - as well as a sliding dust cover - so one MIGHT argue the influence came potentially from there too. I have hunted a LONG time for a "Mukden Mauser" - I doubt I'll ever succeed getting one (and no, I can't bid on RIA)
That firing pin shroud is sure an odd thing; it can't be there to simply protect against gunk inside the bolt, because the idea of a bolt gun functioning with mud ingress inside if the bolt is preposterous as the rifle would have failed long before. Perhaps it has something to do with negating the effects of water inside if the bolt after being submerged? Or perhaps it is shielding for the spring during takedown, though why have slots?
Coincidently, I just watched a Chinese movie about the civil war in 1948. They were using a bunch of Mauser type rifles (but not typical 98 or 98k) which surprised me. But they had a whole lot of other old stuff as well, from broomhandle Mausers to some WW2 Soviet SMGs , Maxim type MGs ect.
Pretty sure they are Type Zhongzheng, the standard issued rifles of China from 1935, a copy of Mauser M1924. Or type 88, a copy of Mauser G88, the previous standard rifles. When Chinese soldiers saw Springfield M1903, thet called it "American Zhongzheng", bcs they both have some relation with G98, pretty funny. The broomhandle Mausers are iconic weapon during 20th century of Chian, like what Peacemakers are in US
The shroud covering the cocking piece is there to prevent hot, high-pressure gasses from venting into the shooter's face/eyeball in the event of a pierced primer. It is a common feature in modern bolt action rifle designs.
I know this is an old video but I have a question, what's with the weird Manchuquo flag? I get why you do that with the Nazi era stuff but why with the Manchuquo flag?
On a rimfire gun the firing pin is designed kinda like a hammer so that it hits a rim on the side of the cartridge (hence the name). If no cartridge is present the pin might instead hit the chamber itself an get damaged in the process as opposed to a center fired gun where the pin would simply hit nothing at all. Take this with a grain of salt, though, I'm a no gun holding European myself ;)
Just outside the chamber, the hole where the cartridge goes, can be hit with enough force to deform the chamber. This can cause feeding and/or extraction problems.
The firing pin can snap or bend, which means that it will not strike the cartridge in the correct place or not at all, in order to make it fire...its not good to dry fire any weapon unnecessarily, but one has to, in order to check and clear a weapon before and after use, ax a safety measure.
Chang Tso-Lin (Zhang Zuolin) was a super interesting figure! He started out as a simple bandit but eventually rose to be the warlord of Manchuria, working closely with the Japanese until they assassinated him in 1928. Later, his son Zhang Xueliang helped unite China against the Japanese by kidnapping Chiang Kai-Shek, the leader of Nationalist China, and imprisoning him until he agreed to work with the Communists to fight off the Imperial invasion.
Ah, the Fengtian clique rifle... it's really an interesting story all by itself, the whole mess of the Warlord Era in Chinese history and particularly the case of Fengtian clique. It's a stuff that would make a series of great war/political drama movies. Hell, it's engaging enough to make otherwise coma-inducting textbooks for Chinese history suddenly get interesting.
So the thing was that the (first) Republic of China (established by Xinhai Revolution, with five-colored flag and before Kuomintang takeover, also known as Beiyang Government) was heavily dictated by military leaders, who themselves were Qing regional generals and had their own cliques in different provinces. The congress, the premiership and the presidency therefore were occupied or "handpicked" by the victorious generals through power struggle or (more often) civil wars between cliques. Elections were basically rubber stamps. Later the most two powerful cliques were Zhili Clique and Fengtian Clique (led by Zhang Zuolin; Fengtian was then capital of Manchuria). The second Zhili-Fengtian war took place in 1924 and the third in 1925; Zhang Zuolin and Fengtian clique won both, controlling Beijing. Zhang declared him as the "grand marshal" exercising presidential powers, essentially establishing a military Junta. But by 1927 and 1928 the Kuomintang National Revolutionary Army(NRA) was victorious against Beiyang (Fengtian) troops. Zhang had to flee Beijing to Fengtian in summer of 1928, regrouping his regime there and resisting NRA, while Kuomintang became victorious and unified most of China under the (second) Republic of China, which still exists in Taiwan (although now referred simply as Taiwan today.)
It would be interesting if it is set up for the Chinese-developed 6.8 x 57 cartridge or for the more common 7.92 x 57 job. The 6.8 x 57 was bulk-produced by Winchester and appears to have "inspired" the .30-06-based .270 Winchester. 6.8 as also seen in the 6.8SPC, is pretty much a .277" bullet, sitting neatly in between 6.5 (.264"-.268") and 7mm, .284" ).
Not my blog, but I found it an interesting read on the Mukden Arsenal. wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2017/04/03/mukden-arsenal-after-wwii/ I'm hoping it's been well researched, as it was certainly a good read. Loved hearing your take on the Liao Type 13 today as well.
I do feel this rifle has some style of Arisaka. In Manchurian, the warlord leader Zhang ZhuoLin was strongly influenced and kind of supported by Japan. Although he ended up with assassinated by the Japanese due to his strong nationalism pro China.
maybe and just maybe the arisaka tipe characteristics in theese mausers had origin in the influence of japan in manchuria in the 20"s and 30"s that then become to be the goverment of manchukuo with the last emperor of the Qui dinasty Puyi as a pupet of imperial japan. Also the crest in the top of the reciver looks very much as the actual logo of the Steyr Manlicher company (coincidence?)
This gun was made in my home city, so happy to see it on RUclips. The emblem on top is 東, means northeast. Nowadays the factory make jet engines
沈阳的😂
@@wonderjerk6368 hold up, is this the same location as the Shenyang arsenal?
@@williestyle35very likely to be so since Mukden is the old name of Shenyang
Funnily enough, my brother came into a Spanish Mauser carbine for a hundred bucks because the cocking piece had been rotated out of position. The people at the shop apparently couldn't figure out what was amiss and just threw it on the bargain table.
> Came into a Spanish Mauser
> cocking piece rotated out of position
Sounds painful.
Ealsante
The store owners:
"Get the hell out of my store, and keep the rifle too you earned it buddy!"
A minor point: Chang Tso-lin did not actually proclaim a separate republic. In 1922, Chang did state that he would no longer be subjugated to the Beijing government, but in 2 years he managed to take control of the city of Beijing itself, making him the puppet master behind the de-jure government over all of China. In fact, Chang's Manchurian Clique was actually one of the 2 major "kingmaker" factions in pre-KMT Republic of China.
The Japanese called Mukden Arsenal Hoten Arsenal as the Japanese renamed the city from the Manchu name of Mukden to Hoten. The city is now known as Shenyang.
Actually Hoten isn't a renaming - when the Manchus proclaimed the Qing Dynasty in 1626, they set Mukden as their capital and called it Fengtian in Chinese. 'Hoten' is the Japanese transliteration of 'Fengtian' - which is a pretty political move, since it links the Manchukuo regime to the old Qing regime.
@@Ealsante Ah, that makes sense! The Japanese did the same to other cities. Like Incheon being Jinsen.
@@Berthier_Enjoyer Yeah. And in Taiwan there's a funnier story - there was a city called Takau in the local language, which literally meant 'Dog-beating'. The Japanese thought that name wasn't classy, so they changed it to Takao, with different (and nicer-sounding) kanji. When the Chinese came back, they adopted the nicer sounding name, which is where Kaohsiung's name comes from.
@@Ealsante Taiwan? You mean Formosa? ;) I love my grandfather atlas. It's pre-WW2 and it feels at times like from another world entirely, since even if some names are similar, the spelling is all weird
Mukden is it's ture name 😃
Thank you Ian. Though it’s a little, weird, to learn about Chinese firearm from a white man. I really appreciate your works. My grandfather lived as a young fellow who hunted a lot in our hometown, before the 1949. My father and I have always been keen on small arms, but NEVER got any chance to even touch one. They never published any decent books introducing them either. So it’s been such a great relief that I could use RUclips in our university(a bit dubious for the government to make these exceptions).A 21 yo atheist, send you my best regards from China. Thank you, Gun Jesus.
its such a different feeling to see a rifle made in my hometown when im in us.
chinese northern eastern army used these liao type 13（遼13式）to fight against Japanese invaders in ww2.
awesome video
The Treaty of Versailles had absolutely nothing to do with Austria, it only concerned the entente powers and Germany.
The treaty between those powers and Austria (as one of the successor states to Austro-Hungary), was the Treaty of St. Germain.
Its nice to see an educated comment ... chapeau!!!
your mom's educated haha gottem
I was just about to go to bed... but always have time for a new video 👌🏻
If you watch the movie "The Last Emperor", it showcases a lot of the history surrounding this time period in China. It's mostly about the life of China's last emperor (obviously), but you get some other good history as well.
Bernardo Bertolucci's classic bio-pic from my youth, so glad you mentioned this! _'The Last Emperor'_ won nine Oscars in 1987, including best picture and best director. Fun fact : David Byrne from the Talking Heads helped with the motion picture score, which won a Grammy.
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Mauser, or Mauser design are AWESOME.
I am very impressed,
Yes a beautiful rifle.
辽13 Fascinating rifle Thank you Ian
I would love you to cover the Manchukuo arms. Theres not much info on them, especially a machine gun Ian Hogg once described as monstrously heavy.
what a story,about this beautiful gun! 7.62
Love ur vids i wake up every morning looking for my new education of a forgotten wepon keep up the great work its perfect
Nice rifle. Interesting backstory.
The Manchurian Type 13 looks very similar to the Models 1907, 1910, and 1912 which Mexico had adopted in the 98 pattern in 7mm Mauser. The Mexican rifles majority of them were made by Steyr in Austria.
I'm shocked Ian.
Steyr is a place, the engineering and manufacturing concern located there was OEG.
As for the 300 yard minimum range on the sights, we need to remember that "flat trajectory" was a fairly new concept so the assumption probably was that inside that range no adjuztment would be needed.
Interesting story Sir on these Mauser's. Thanks for the history lesson an the knowledge.
I Would Have Loved To See You Shoot It And Review It
Thank you Ian .
Hey Ian, don't know if you do this sort of thing but I just heard about a weapon manufactured in Australia that have civilian variants sold in the US. The gun is called the F90, with the civilian one being the ATRAX. It's very similar to the AUG and I think it would be amazing to see you take a gander at it's innards. Don't know if you really do requests as I imagine trying to get a hold of these weapons every week are rather difficult. Love the video's man, one of the reasons I'd like to be a weapons designer. Good luck for the future!
Just imagine, roughly 90 years ago some guy in Manchuria likely shouted in anger because he messed up the bolt.
Zhang Zuolin (張作霖) was a BANDIT who was absorbed into the Qing imperial Army during the final decade of the Dynasty. He later became a Warlord in Northern China who allied with (or at least tolerates) the Japanese and opposed the nationalist government forces. At it's height in the 1920s his Fengtian Army had an Air Force and a Navy in addition to ground forces. He was defeated in battle in 1928 and assassinated later that year. He was perhaps better known for the deeds of his son Zhang Xueliang (張學良) who succeeded him. Zhang Xueliang reversed his father's stance and opposed the Japanese incursions. He went as far as to stage a Coup D'etat successfully against Chiang Kai Shiek. Perhaps foolishly, he released Chiang and returned with him to the capital after Chiang agreed to ally with the Chicoms to resist the Japanese. Chiang, upon returning to his loyalist power base, promptly arrested Zhang Jr. He was imprisoned -- first in China and later in Taiwan until Chiang's death in 1975. The junior Zhang immigrated to the USA in 1993 and died in 2001 at the age of 100. Zhang Jr. is considered a National Hero and a Patriot by the Chicoms for his deeds to unite the Nationalist and Chicom forces against the Japanese.
What is important to understand about the Zhang's was that at the turn of the 20th century, the industrial base of China is not in the coastal cities like Shanghai and Guangzhou, or even in the Capital of Beijing, The industrial development was in North Eastern China (where the Zhang controlled); particularly near the city of Mukden (near modern day Shenyang). This was because it was the power base of the Qing dynasty's modernized Beiyang Army (under Yuan Shikai), because it was the area which saw industrial development under Zhang Senior's able advisor Wang Yong Jiang and also because it was close to, and assisted by, Japanese occupied Manchuria with whom Zhang Sr. was aligned.
On the third line "Zhang Xueliang (張作霖)" should be "Zhang Xueliang (张学良/張學良)" :)
Thanks guys, I like seeing detailed comments!
@Miko H. Nope, he was a BANDIT who knew maybe a few common words like perhaps rice, wine and maybe silver.
Um... mate, as far as Warlord Era is concerned, Fengtian clique was doing pretty well. And it's amazing how much you wrote, but managed to miss on Wang Yongjiang, aka the real reason why Zhang had money on expensive hardware. Sometimes good, competent and loyal people end up with the misfortune of having extremely bad bosses.
And traitor to the others, because him it direct cause at least many deaths of the Chinese in the Culture Revolution!
9:45 Did Ian just give us homework? For me at least, it sounds like the best homework I've ever had.
Ian, early 20th century Chinese history is nobody's forte
Least of all the Chinese themselves!
O contrare!
@Miko H. Wooooosh!
Communist China intentionally edit 20th century China history to erase their evil take over from the Nationalist China ROC!
@@yukin1990 lololol, man, you should read the history that from Taiwan, which the Nationalist China ROC now. you will know how terrible those Nationalist China did during 1930-1949.
Speaking of ww1 They shall not grow old documentary is amazing.
Very excited to see it, it will be in the US on Dec 17 and Dec 27. I can't wait!
Isn't it made by Peter Jackson?
yes it is and its really really good he did a very good and respectful job of bringing ww1 to life its actual footage just really enhanced its amazing also I will send you a link to watch it cause im from the states it wouldn't be out till I think the 17 of December I couldn't wait that long lol. www4.fmovies.to/film/they-shall-not-grow-old.7wr56/ljv0lm just have adblocker cause it pops up annoying ads if you don't
@@siegepandabob6957 cool, thanks
No prob any time :)
It’s funny as a few weeks ago a website had one of these listed as an arisaka and I dug round on the internet for a few hours to find out what this really was and found out it was this model of rifle, it was fun to do the research anyway and I contacted the website and they changed it XD
Very interesting rifle for sure.
Sir Ian. You are more entertaining along with Hickok45. You guys are true weapon experts.
Wow, nice condition.
It feels like Pearl Buck's book came alive again! Great video!
That's a *candidate* for my favourite Mauser
During the period of the Manchukuo puppet state, Mukden Arsenal continued to produce the Type 13 for the Imperial Manchukuo Army as well as reissuing prior stocks. By the last year of the war, a version in 6.5x50SR was produced as well, usually called the Type 45. Also, as the Type 13 bayonet was very similar to the French-inspired Type 30 Arisaka bayonet rather than the German or Czech patterns, I think it's another point in favour of the "Steyr inspired by Arisaka" notion.
Ian can you do a video on early gunpowder weapons such as the Chinese fire Lance and heilongjiang hand cannons (earliest)?
I remember someone (Ian) talking about the Arisaka dust covers making noise so most of those got "lost". Is it possible that these were noisy or maybe interfered with operation enough that they got "lost" too? Beautiful rifle anyways, but way out of my budget. (I am at the point where someone is going to have to pay me to take one...) :(
I believe the primary reason for Arisaka dust covers vanishing was actually the IJA collecting and scrapping them as metal shortages became more of a problem.
Also, IIRC the Manchurian Mauser dust covers were extremely well-fitted and wouldn't have caused much noise.
No. Ian is on record saying that the dust covers issued with the rifles did not rattle. Just look at his Type 38 mud test video. There is no reason to suspect that the dust cover on the type 13 would be any different, especially as here the dust cover serves a functional purpose in the mechanical operation of the gun. It is far more likely that the dust cover was removed as "unnecessary" in civilian hands, especially as it makes the rifle look unconventional compared to other Mausers. Although it's not inconceivable that some poorly trained Chinese conscript did genuinely lose it during a cleaning. But it was unlikely to have been intentionally discarded in a theatre of war.
Losing that dust cover is a good way to get hollered by your own NCO for negligent use of the Japanese Emperor's property (anything that has a Chrysanthemum mon is an Imperial property).
Steyr may have gotten a type 38 Arisaka and thus the small vent holes in the receivers from the Russians. The Japanese gave a ton of them as war aid to the Russians, so it’s not hard to expect that a weird “Russian” rifle found in the eastern front would find its way to the Austrian center of firearms excellence: Steyr
The bolt handle would be another indicator that a Type 38 Arisaka had been examined by Steyr's engineers and they decided to incorporate elements from it into their improved Mauser 98. That "onion" isn't quite the same as the lemon-shaped knob on Arisaka bolt handles, but it's certainly reminiscent of it.
@@RedXlV A few other bits of Arisaka DNA made it into the Type 13, in form and function:
The bolt knob is the obvious one
The enclosed firing pin is somewhat reminiscent of the enclosed firing pin with internal spring in the Arisaka
The dust cover is VERY Arisaka
The gas vents (as Ian mentioned)
The cut recess in the bolt rear lug I have seen on another Mauser type, but can't put my finger on it now.
Steyr also seem to have taken some features from DWM export Mausers like the Portuguese M904 Verguero front band (I know Steyr, DWM and Mauser Oberndorf did try this simplified short band on quite a few export sales samples etc). The Siamese/Thai "Mauser" Type 46 (made by Koishikawa in Japan, adopted in 1903) also bears the same simplified band - as well as a sliding dust cover - so one MIGHT argue the influence came potentially from there too.
I have hunted a LONG time for a "Mukden Mauser" - I doubt I'll ever succeed getting one (and no, I can't bid on RIA)
11:31 "Rode hard and put away wet"? 🤔
They set about trying to improve the Gewehr 98, until the ultimate moment in which
War Were Declared.
A bit late, but you are correct in your estimation; the Austrians did have quite a number of Arisakas to draw inspiration from.
That firing pin shroud is sure an odd thing; it can't be there to simply protect against gunk inside the bolt, because the idea of a bolt gun functioning with mud ingress inside if the bolt is preposterous as the rifle would have failed long before. Perhaps it has something to do with negating the effects of water inside if the bolt after being submerged? Or perhaps it is shielding for the spring during takedown, though why have slots?
To answer that mechanism question, the Mosin uses the connecting rod to do it
Coincidently, I just watched a Chinese movie about the civil war in 1948. They were using a bunch of Mauser type rifles (but not typical 98 or 98k) which surprised me. But they had a whole lot of other old stuff as well, from broomhandle Mausers to some WW2 Soviet SMGs , Maxim type MGs ect.
Pretty sure they are Type Zhongzheng, the standard issued rifles of China from 1935, a copy of Mauser M1924. Or type 88, a copy of Mauser G88, the previous standard rifles. When Chinese soldiers saw Springfield M1903, thet called it "American Zhongzheng", bcs they both have some relation with G98, pretty funny.
The broomhandle Mausers are iconic weapon during 20th century of Chian, like what Peacemakers are in US
How I want to have it! It is neat!!!
The shroud covering the cocking piece is there to prevent hot, high-pressure gasses from venting into the shooter's face/eyeball in the event of a pierced primer. It is a common feature in modern bolt action rifle designs.
No, it was a dust cover. Siamese Mausers had one, too. All AR-type rifles have one, which remains open when the bolt moves.
I know this is an old video but I have a question, what's with the weird Manchuquo flag? I get why you do that with the Nazi era stuff but why with the Manchuquo flag?
I am dutch so i have never held a real firearm, could you explain why you shouldn't dryfire a rimfire gun?
On a rimfire gun the firing pin is designed kinda like a hammer so that it hits a rim on the side of the cartridge (hence the name). If no cartridge is present the pin might instead hit the chamber itself an get damaged in the process as opposed to a center fired gun where the pin would simply hit nothing at all.
Take this with a grain of salt, though, I'm a no gun holding European myself ;)
Just outside the chamber, the hole where the cartridge goes, can be hit with enough force to deform the chamber. This can cause feeding and/or extraction problems.
The firing pin can snap or bend, which means that it will not strike the cartridge in the correct place or not at all, in order to make it fire...its not good to dry fire any weapon unnecessarily, but one has to, in order to check and clear a weapon before and after use, ax a safety measure.
6:10 Why is there a notch on the safety lug?
fantastic example
Very cool love from Texas
Soo cool rifle.
Chang Tso-Lin (Zhang Zuolin) was a super interesting figure! He started out as a simple bandit but eventually rose to be the warlord of Manchuria, working closely with the Japanese until they assassinated him in 1928. Later, his son Zhang Xueliang helped unite China against the Japanese by kidnapping Chiang Kai-Shek, the leader of Nationalist China, and imprisoning him until he agreed to work with the Communists to fight off the Imperial invasion.
Any chance we kind find replacement or custom built barrels for these and Hanyang 88?
9:30 you sound pissed there is no dust cover...
I'm going to guess that this is chambered in 7.92x57mm Mauser?
Yes.
Ah, the Fengtian clique rifle... it's really an interesting story all by itself, the whole mess of the Warlord Era in Chinese history and particularly the case of Fengtian clique. It's a stuff that would make a series of great war/political drama movies. Hell, it's engaging enough to make otherwise coma-inducting textbooks for Chinese history suddenly get interesting.
Nice rifle
Dang, I saw this on gunbroker. Was winding what it was!
Why there is strange crusader helmet in thumbnail? /°Φ°\
So the thing was that the (first) Republic of China (established by Xinhai Revolution, with five-colored flag and before Kuomintang takeover, also known as Beiyang Government) was heavily dictated by military leaders, who themselves were Qing regional generals and had their own cliques in different provinces. The congress, the premiership and the presidency therefore were occupied or "handpicked" by the victorious generals through power struggle or (more often) civil wars between cliques. Elections were basically rubber stamps. Later the most two powerful cliques were Zhili Clique and Fengtian Clique (led by Zhang Zuolin; Fengtian was then capital of Manchuria). The second Zhili-Fengtian war took place in 1924 and the third in 1925; Zhang Zuolin and Fengtian clique won both, controlling Beijing. Zhang declared him as the "grand marshal" exercising presidential powers, essentially establishing a military Junta. But by 1927 and 1928 the Kuomintang National Revolutionary Army(NRA) was victorious against Beiyang (Fengtian) troops. Zhang had to flee Beijing to Fengtian in summer of 1928, regrouping his regime there and resisting NRA, while Kuomintang became victorious and unified most of China under the (second) Republic of China, which still exists in Taiwan (although now referred simply as Taiwan today.)
❤this 😃 made in Mukden Manchuria
Did I miss it? What caliber were these in? 8mm Mauser like many Chinese arms?
It would be interesting if it is set up for the Chinese-developed 6.8 x 57 cartridge or for the more common 7.92 x 57 job.
The 6.8 x 57 was bulk-produced by Winchester and appears to have "inspired" the .30-06-based .270 Winchester. 6.8 as also seen in the 6.8SPC, is pretty much a .277" bullet, sitting neatly in between 6.5 (.264"-.268") and 7mm, .284" ).
The rock island page says it is 8mm
If Steyr already had the tooling set-up, I'd bet it was the same that Austria would've used, so 8mm.
Hi Ian what is the cartridge for this rifle? You seem to have a bad habit of forgetting to mention that in your videos.
Sorry, 8mm Mauser.
Not my blog, but I found it an interesting read on the Mukden Arsenal. wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2017/04/03/mukden-arsenal-after-wwii/
I'm hoping it's been well researched, as it was certainly a good read. Loved hearing your take on the Liao Type 13 today as well.
A Manchurian Mauser for The
Manchurian Candidate?.
Any news on your book?
Nice
I do feel this rifle has some style of Arisaka. In Manchurian, the warlord leader Zhang ZhuoLin was strongly influenced and kind of supported by Japan. Although he ended up with assassinated by the Japanese due to his strong nationalism pro China.
most chinese arsenals dont make the dust cover in wwii and wwi to reduce production cost
What caliber is this rifle?
8mm
Hey Ian, could you recommend any reference books for collecting Chinese weapons from WW2 and before? Bonus if you can give me a Korean one as well!
FiendTheKing ian had an interview with a guy named i think bin shih that has a book out on the topic but im not sure if he's still selling them
Thanks! That led me to two resources, Arming the Dragon by Dolf Goldsmith and the aforementioned book by Bin Shih.
What are they chambered for?
8mm
Thumbnail looks like a Doctor Who enemy
Warlord Era, interesting
Am I the only person hearing 1970...? (0:40) Ian means 1917, right?
Yes. He said 1917
@@jjohnston94 well it is called forgot-N weapons!
So the Swiss had keg shaped bolt handles, and the Manchurians had egg shaped bolt handles.
Manchuckuo:type 13
Japan:type 38
Oh yeah Fengtiang Government Rifle the only legitimate state from Xinhai Revolution. Oops wrong timeline.
cool
i wonder if the PRC will have a problem with this video. they do not like mentions of Manchuria
lol what that is false
As if anyone from PRC can see this video on a platform that is banned...
Not much problem, as it is written on high school history books in China. Maybe it's like mention Vichy France to French
This Type Liao 13 “辽十三” is supported by the ruler Zhang Zuolin（张作霖）as well as his son Zhang Xueliang(张学良)
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是無名式馬步槍嗎？
奉系軍閥的遼十三年式步槍
奉系的辽十三式（如果没搞错的话）
赵宝瑞 就是辽十三
辽十三年式，Zhang zuo Lin
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Gun Jesus rocks!
maybe and just maybe the arisaka tipe characteristics in theese mausers had origin in the influence of japan in manchuria in the 20"s and 30"s that then become to be the goverment of manchukuo with the last emperor of the Qui dinasty Puyi as a pupet of imperial japan. Also the crest in the top of the reciver looks very much as the actual logo of the Steyr Manlicher company (coincidence?)
Never seen Asian shapes before
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Wikibuy has the crappiest commercial of the year. It's utterly irritating. >:-(
Cool video, but the way you pronounce "Steyr" is killing me.
But it's the right way
Manchuria is called Northeast Asia. Japanese call the region Manchuria.