When I got my Bronica ETRSi the first addition was the second back and the price difference for 220 back was such (4x) that I tried. Absolutely no problems with Ilford and Fuji 120 films I use. No different feeling in film winding force either. So, it just works well.
hi, I just bought a bronica etrs that has a 220 film back. When loading the film, how far do you wind the roll? The first film I used, I winded the roll up to the marked start point on the film, and I lost about 5 frames. Thanks!
on the Pentax 645 220 Back you have to flip the indicator and there's also a difference on the pressure plate edges it's on both sides of the edge of the pressure plate it's about .004 difference and needs to be shamed flush with the rest of the pressure plate or you put too much pressure against the film back which can eventually ruin the rewind motor from too much resistance
Yes 220 film didn't have the paper all the way through the whole roll so it was thinner. How can you answer that question when you don't have the correct answer? If you run 120 through a 220 back you'll have spacing issues and the frames may overlap
If you have a mamiya tlr set the exposure counter to 220 but keep the pressure plate at 120 and you get 1 extra exposure as long as you put the start line about 15mm before you’re supposed to
"...220 was the same as but twice the length of 120" The numbering scheme has less to do with reality and more to do with logistics. bvipirate.com/Kodak/FilmHist.html
I am getting 10 and a half frames out of 12 using 120 film in an A24 (220 back) hasselblad back. I've had this setup for 10 years, and tried every trick with the arrow alignment, even opened up a dummy roll of 120 film to mess around with and test what i could do with the leader, and different ways to spool the film on the reel, to get all 12 frames. Nothing has worked for me. I only get 10.5/12 shots on a roll. Frame spacing is very close (1-4mm) between frames 1-4 and wild spacing after frame 4 and 5. By frame 8-10 there are frame spaces of 3/4ths inch and over. Lots of wasted film. I measured this by running my dummy roll and drawing on the film with marker, then measuring the spacing in millimeters. The 11th frame only captures about the top one-third of the frame. No 12th frame at all. All I shoot on it is Delta film 120 film so maybe the reason is the delta film emulsion base or paper is thicker than other manufacturers. I don't know. Recently, in quarantine I have actually taken time to figure out a way to be able to use my delta film with my A24 (220) hasselblad back. I feel like I have tried all the different winding tricks with no success. My next step is to try either modifying a film take-up spool to be 50% thinner to compensate for the extra thickness of using 120 film compared to 220. Or, I will try cutting out the backing paper of the 120 film (except for the leader and tail end) and testing the frame spacing of that roll when it goes through the camera.
I have a 220/120 film back for my RB67 PRO S and never used it, it came my purchase but only use the original 120 film back , any videos or suggestions when using it for the RB?
Interesting take on the 220 film back taking the 120. It should be OK. Hoping for Shangai film and others for that matter to facilitate a 220 version of their film stocks.
Wow really love your content this is awesome . What is your preferred camera you use for filmmaking, I'd love to have a conversation and maybe even collaborate on different ways in telling stories through film!
You can use the 220 back to shoot 35mm in a medium format camera. No backing paper on 35mm. Only problem is calculating spacing when advancing film on some cameras, which you could do with a dummy roll of 35mm to start. Then again, why would you bother shooting 35mm when you can shoot 120 film on a medium format? The 120 negative is five times as large.
Problem I had with a Bronica ETRSi using 120 in a 220 back was the winding lever would not lock after you advance, so you could roll past a frame if you weren't careful, also the shutter would cock but you couldn't fire. The trick was to wind on, then flick the double exposure level, cock the shutter and shoot......its easy but a pain in the ass
My bronica etrsi has a 220 back and dosent have that issues , only issues I have found is you have to start loading the film way before the arrow and you have to keep shooting after the 16 shot to completely wind the film
Love 220 film. I have a box of 220 Velvia in the fridge, 20 shots on my Pentax 6X7! Awesome!
When I got my Bronica ETRSi the first addition was the second back and the price difference for 220 back was such (4x) that I tried. Absolutely no problems with Ilford and Fuji 120 films I use. No different feeling in film winding force either. So, it just works well.
how many frames can you get with the 220 back with 120. I love my ETRSI but man the 15 shots a roll is a bummer.
Hi! I was wondering if we could connect. I'm trying to use my 120 in my 220 backing (bronica etrsi)
hi, I just bought a bronica etrs that has a 220 film back. When loading the film, how far do you wind the roll? The first film I used, I winded the roll up to the marked start point on the film, and I lost about 5 frames. Thanks!
@@cameronmartin645 complaining about 15 shots? Lol try getting 9 shots a roll on 6x9
on the Pentax 645 220 Back you have to flip the indicator and there's also a difference on the pressure plate edges it's on both sides of the edge of the pressure plate it's about .004 difference and needs to be shamed flush with the rest of the pressure plate or you put too much pressure against the film back which can eventually ruin the rewind motor from too much resistance
Thanks for the tip Nico. Much appreciated. Happy New Year.
Happy New Year!
here to the birthday of 120 format! hurray! Interesting question tho.
Yeah, 120 years!! Long live 120 film.
@@NicosPhotographyShow QUE VIVA!
Man, why did you have to bring up the GS1, now the price is going to go up, I was going to buy one 😂
It is up already
It’s no more a value for money purchase. Some sellers are expecting more money than a RZ.
Well, you guys made me do it! But yeah, prices wont come down soon. Sorry ;)
Yes 220 film didn't have the paper all the way through the whole roll so it was thinner. How can you answer that question when you don't have the correct answer? If you run 120 through a 220 back you'll have spacing issues and the frames may overlap
I had no problem shooting Bronica SQ series 220 backs. Sometimes I could fit 13 frames.
If you have a mamiya tlr set the exposure counter to 220 but keep the pressure plate at 120 and you get 1 extra exposure as long as you put the start line about 15mm before you’re supposed to
Oh! That's very interesting!
That's amazing since I'm just getting a c220 this week!
Can we do this with Minolta Autocord? I just bought one
@@Leonardovins I don’t think you can unless there is a 220 film counter option
@@MKVD cool. I would suggest lining up the start line on the film at the bottom screw right below the red mark.
With your 645N, do you use the 220 back "stock" or did you modify it? Thx
Mine is stock, no plans to modify it.
For the Pentax 645 there is a pin that can be modified (removed if I remember) that enables to use 120 film in 220 back.
I have heard, but so far happy with the back as is. I feel scared to play with gear.
is there a differeence between the back on the pentax 645 and 645N?
So if it’s double 120, why it’s not 240? 😅 Stupid question but I‘m really wondering.
"...220 was the same as but twice the length of 120"
The numbering scheme has less to do with reality and more to do with logistics.
bvipirate.com/Kodak/FilmHist.html
@@kpsnow2411 very interesting! Thank you so much for sharing 🙏🏼
Happy New Years Nico!!
I try to contact you via gmail, in which I win a prize but they don't answer ???
Hi Emma, Im giving everyone a week and then will get back to all, to do it in one go.
I am getting 10 and a half frames out of 12 using 120 film in an A24 (220 back) hasselblad back.
I've had this setup for 10 years, and tried every trick with the arrow alignment, even opened up a dummy roll of 120 film to mess around with and test what i could do with the leader, and different ways to spool the film on the reel, to get all 12 frames. Nothing has worked for me. I only get 10.5/12 shots on a roll.
Frame spacing is very close (1-4mm) between frames 1-4 and wild spacing after frame 4 and 5. By frame 8-10 there are frame spaces of 3/4ths inch and over. Lots of wasted film. I measured this by running my dummy roll and drawing on the film with marker, then measuring the spacing in millimeters. The 11th frame only captures about the top one-third of the frame. No 12th frame at all.
All I shoot on it is Delta film 120 film so maybe the reason is the delta film emulsion base or paper is thicker than other manufacturers. I don't know.
Recently, in quarantine I have actually taken time to figure out a way to be able to use my delta film with my A24 (220) hasselblad back. I feel like I have tried all the different winding tricks with no success.
My next step is to try either modifying a film take-up spool to be 50% thinner to compensate for the extra thickness of using 120 film compared to 220. Or, I will try cutting out the backing paper of the 120 film (except for the leader and tail end) and testing the frame spacing of that roll when it goes through the camera.
I have a 220/120 film back for my RB67 PRO S and never used it, it came my purchase but only use the original 120 film back , any videos or suggestions when using it for the RB?
Cool topic. Maybe an opportunity for the future review of Shanghai 220 film and compare it to the 120 roll.
Yeah, wouldn't mind giving it a spin.
Interesting take on the 220 film back taking the 120. It should be OK. Hoping for Shangai film and others for that matter to facilitate a 220 version of their film stocks.
I wish they would made even shorter film than 120 :D 4 shots are all I need sometimes :)
You can find half 120 in Japan.
They did, like Jean-Charles said they made 1/2 120 film in Japan. Not sure if its still available.
Wow really love your content this is awesome . What is your preferred camera you use for filmmaking, I'd love to have a conversation and maybe even collaborate on different ways in telling stories through film!
You can use the 220 back to shoot 35mm in a medium format camera. No backing paper on 35mm. Only problem is calculating spacing when advancing film on some cameras, which you could do with a dummy roll of 35mm to start. Then again, why would you bother shooting 35mm when you can shoot 120 film on a medium format? The 120 negative is five times as large.
Problem I had with a Bronica ETRSi using 120 in a 220 back was the winding lever would not lock after you advance, so you could roll past a frame if you weren't careful, also the shutter would cock but you couldn't fire. The trick was to wind on, then flick the double exposure level, cock the shutter and shoot......its easy but a pain in the ass
My bronica etrsi has a 220 back and dosent have that issues , only issues I have found is you have to start loading the film way before the arrow and you have to keep shooting after the 16 shot to completely wind the film
@@briansegarra9312 you're completely right, I'm thinking of running 35mm film through it, sorry, been a while since I sold the ERT
@@briansegarra9312 Hi! I was wondering if we could connect. I'm trying to use my 120 in my 220 backing (bronica etrsi)
Urteberri on !
REALLY DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION.........JUST TRY IT IS NOT AN ANSWER!
Love you William!