@@evanmarx4813 yeah but the dredge is an entity of multiple souls and the legion is canonically multiple entities and in reality is just a weirdo with a knife
@@Chris____. there is a small tile on Macmillan map now with 3 odd shaped walls and two windows but no pallet. It's like a capital J shape wall , very odd.
The legion will start their dance to show they mean buisness, but don’t be afraid, as this is just the way they defend themselves. Show your dominance by standing at the pallet and never yielding. This is your pallet not theirs.
Honestly forgot to mention some good info beginners don't know: If legion is IN frenzy, and you're not in mend state, but you can hear his terror radius Legion can see you with Killer instinct, & YES in lockers...
@@Efnol You make a bad suggestion and your only defence when someone disagrees with your bad suggestion is "bIAseD kILleR mAin"? My god, you are sensitive.
@@Efnol Legion is fine where they are and how they are. Plus Legion doesn’t have infinite killer instinct. Killer instinct only shows up for people in their terror radius
Scott even thought I understand you, if you get 4 hits you can hit the last survivor again, regardless if the survivor has deep wound, everything else is spot on
@Charlie Griffin his wording implied it was impossible if no one mends, even if all 4 are together. Not his fault, I only know it works this way because I’ve gone against some crappy teams with legion
No, the only happens if he is in the same side of you, what he means is if the legion hits you, you run to the other side when hit you and throw it down. When he hits you, he is in the same side you are because how it works and you are invincible after the hit so you run to the other side quickly and throw it down, the only thing that can kill you is spirit fury but if you know he has it. Just don't throw the pallet and do the dance and hope your teammates split up already or start to do that when you buy the time, or in a swf, say split up now. Or if you are feeling dangerous, you can try to time him his lunge with a pallet drop so he is just stunned out of his power with no hit. So even with Spirit fury, he will have to m1 you first then follow up.
@@elitedragoon6484 that's not entirely true you usually wait on the other side of a pallet and wait for the swing, as a legion you swing through the pallet and the time it takes a survivor to run to the other side legion is already clear of the pallet and you don't get the stun, timing is needed.
@@TheArchivistsVault gift of pain really isn’t strong on legion. Good survivors won’t heal against him really all that much, so you get no benefit on the perk. And if they do, your entire power is about injuring people again so the gen slow down on that perk doesn’t really apply either. I thought gift of pain sounded good for legion at first but when you think about it it really isn’t.
What?! Legion is objectively the strongest killer in the game and here's why: - bunny costume - multiple colors of bunny costume No other killer that I know of in the game has access to something so strong
Me taking notes on how to more effectively play legion: "Hmm yes camp pallets... So what you're saying is take enduring and instant double hit the first survivor, interesting Scott, interesting..."
As a Legion main I can confirm that I get away with swinging through a pallet about 6/10 times. However, this is only if I'm on my 2nd-4th hit. With the extra speed and the lunge, you can catch most survivors off guard and move past them as they panic and drop the pallet. Plus, if you just run enduring you can hit them, get stunned, and hit them again. Also if you hit four people and put them into the mending state, you can just hit that fourth person again and knock them down. Doesn't matter who you hit with the fifth hit. Just hit the same person twice and they go down while you're fatigued.
I believe what youre referring to is where Scott talks about when 3 survivors are grouped up- since 4 players together really shouldnt happen if the survivors at least somewhat know how to play against a lesion. If one person is on the hook, or one person is doing gens or such across the map, your power will never get you that down unless someone mends while youre in frenzy, giving you that 4th hit you need- I've won a game before from someone mending during my frenzy, but as long as the survivors understand the lesion's power, its a very easy killer to counter.
Yeah that's why Scott only talked about 3 people mending - 3 hits of power, because that's assuming survivors spread out like they should and the 4th one is a Claudette in an opposite corner of the map being scared of every spine chill proc (poor claudies, how are they gonna be scared if they don't know if a killer is looking at them)
i am on the same page. never sleep pills makes his power last for so long and almost ensures a 5th hit every game. and i play at iri 1 and 4k every other game w them. i think legion is a very middle ground killer
@@theghilliegiraffe7595 like iri 1 means anything. Never sleep pills reduce your speed. Also can't the last survivor drop a pallet on your head as you hit them once and vault it?
@@theghilliegiraffe7595 A reminder that iri 1 is only a representation of how much you play and not skill or mmr- if you want to ensure playing against good survivors, play on pc with crossplay off and youll get consistent survivor swfs with at the very least 1k hours- i did this with pig and no perks, and it made me a much better pig and understanding her strengths/weaknesses. I play lesion as well (i like weaker killers) but its mainly that not many people know how to counter lesion, but any swf or such that knows the basics will almost always ensure your forced to lose your power with a stun or distance.
So true great counter guide Scott. When I play legion I run blood favor and plaything to try and prevent pallets. It surprises me how people haven’t figured out how to go against legion by now.
How to counter Legion countering: Never Sleep Pills. It should be an Iri addon for the value I've gotten out of smart players going literally across the map, and simply being unable to outrun me, letting me instadown people out of Frenzy. It's nutty. I'm able to kick gens mid-Frenzy, and continue the chain with time to spare. And survivors camping pallets? Do some weirder Pallet Dances, or even try to go from the opposite side, baiting them. And if you have NSP, you can probably literally just afford to go get someone else. It's astonishing how often I get that on survivors with hundreds, or thousands of hours in the game.
It's definitely a great perk, it's just when you're up against survivors who split up on gens or you kill a survivor, they're less likely to group up on generators. They'll usually try to run away from the generator too once they hear your terror radius. The perk loses some value over time like thana. Besides that I think Discordance is a great perk for early game + information in general.
Never thought about pallet dropping and taking that hit as a strategy but really is the best way to negate his power other than just spreading out. Very nice Scott
It depends on the killer. Twins benefits from survivors being split up for example. I would say hag too, having survivors grouped up harassing traps is terrible. I think killers should have both, split up and group up offerings for survivors, so u can use the one that works depending on the killer ur playing.
It’s because it was an offering made very early in the game when people didn’t know how to play and was scary for every survivor. Spawning far from your team would make the survivors scared and less effective at doing stuff because of it. But now it’s pretty dumb.
Pro tip to piss off legions : if you are grouped up, and you get the 1st or 2nd hit of his power, just start body blocking. If Legion hits you without it being the 5th hit, and you're in deep wounds, it will end the power. Super annoying, super funny, super efficient.
If someone did this to me when I play Legion, I'd have a ton of respect for them, cause it seems to be an omega-brain strat beyond most people's capabilities.
@@BenjaminHari I mean, people are already used to Legion doing that to them in a solo chase. It should generally give about enough time for them to reach a safe obstacle.
6:25 I've had a couple of games as Legion where I mange to hit all four people in one Frenzy. It's rare, but does happen. Mostly because people didn't spread out, normally because people were trying to use Prove Thyself. Couple of game as Survivor against a Legion where it happened, mostly on small outdoor maps but once on The Game of all places, not really sure how _that_ happened. Also the fifth hit down _does_ work against the fourth person hit, it is not only to someone who doesn't have Deep Wounds. So you can hit them once then hit them again for the down. This is not counting the farming games with a Legion. Thanks for the video Scott.
Legion pulls out Sleepy Time Pills+Mural Sketch and counters all of these counters. I've gone against survs that that try to pallet drop counter and most times they end up just getting instadowned because of Enduring and me lunging onto the other side of the pallet.
Not really. Most maps are still too big to chain enough for downs, and usually will net you 3 injures at the most, and the time it takes for you to traverse is spent on gens anyway so honestly it really isn't that good.
Enduring value shouldn't lead to a killer nerf, though. Mural sketch and Pills are really busted and I won't argue with that. Get 2 hits and you basically have a guaranteed down.
@@serenadotbat you’re just as likely to get a favorable map as a bad one and you can cheat with a map offering. Not really a big deal and with sleepy time pills you can get downs even on big maps if you path right
If you're running enduring you aren't running mass slowdown. It is mathematically impossible to cross the entire map even with pills and sketch. You can only ever cross 1/5th of most maps in the game outside of dead dawg even at the 2nd/3rd hits. You can only get downed by enduring tech if the survivor stuns you on the same side of the pallet and on top of that if you guess wrong and they don't vault the pallet you just swing at nothing while they get free distance/free loops at the pallet.
Scott: 5th hit should never happen Me in solo q going down by being exclusively the 5th hit because they decided to mend and run towards my lonely corner of the map.
6:25 The fifth hit still downs if you hit someone in deep wounds. You can just hit the fourth survivor twice in a row. Of course, as you pointed out, the fourth survivor can just camp the pallet. I've been telling my friends that ever since Legion got the rework. If you can make it to a pallet, no matter how bad your team is, you should not be getting downed by frenzy.
I read through most of the comments and watched the full video and realized no one is mentioning these two strategies against Legion. I have over 5k hours on DbD and play mostly solo Q and am always surprised people don’t know common strategies vs certain killers. Please upvote my comment so my fellow solo queue survivors may learn these following easy anti-Legion techs. 1. When already hit with a frenzy ALWAYS 99% your mend but don’t complete it until you feel his frenzy chain is done. You keep the mend process on your bar even if you don’t complete it (just like doctors madness bar). You do this to not reveal yourself to his killer instinct, while you have the mend bar status on you you are NOT revealed in his killer instinct detection radius. 2. If at/near a pallet that’s down and you have been frenzy stabbed or lost the 50/50 fake showdown and he has stabbed you with frenzy fast vault the pallet into him while HE IS IN FRENZY now putting your body between him and the downed pallet, he will now be forced to either frenzy stab you again thus canceling his power/stunning him or he will have to manually cancel his power thus stunning him. You do this so he can’t just vault the pallet and chase to your teammates. This forces him to not only take the frenzy stun but also have to break the pallet most times giving you massive distance.
There's this build that I recently encountered, Legion had add ons that shorten the time available to mend and he made a small map offering. No matter what he did, he would always get one person. We usually tried to mend at the last second it never worked because we knew the time to hit a survivor. It was a drag.
@@soulofavagabond6919 You can be running to another gen, you know. And if he's keeping all 4 survivors in mending at all times, doesn't matter what map it is the survivors are doing something wrong.
@@majickman You know, you're still losing time regardless. Especially if the Legion had thanatophobia which he did. And it isn't because the survivor's fault. Certain add-ons can make Legion reach to you no matter where you are on the map if the map is short enough so yea, map size does matter.
@@soulofavagabond6919 ya but hows the add on that makes you have less time to mend effect how long it takes to mend? And from most the games i have and streams i watch no matter the killer you play survivors call them boring or OP which kinds makes you wonder why people play if all they gonna do is complain
I know Scott said the 5th hit should never happen, and while I agree I don’t think that's what makes him so oppressive rn. The easy thana, on top of mural sketch + never sleep pills, (yellow add ons that everyone always has) means every legion game he almost always hits every survivor with his power even if they're in 4 corners of the map (and especially if he's coming back to the unhook). That slowdown alone from mending, longer gen times, and slow repair speeds brings the game to such a halt while each survivor does this that by the time they've finished mending and gotten back on the gens he can do it again. I had a 27 minute game on pale rose that felt like it would never end cause, while he wouldn't down us often, we couldn't do anything half the match since we were always mending. A small rework to either of these add ons and I think the gameplay would feel less repetitive and more engaging for both sides.
Mathematically impossible. Even with pills and sketch the maximum distance legion can cross is around 200M (and it's less than half that without pills and sketch on top of only reaching 200M on the 2nd-3rd hit). The average map size is over 5000 m2. That means it is mathematically impossible to cross the entire map even with max possible frenzy distance. Tell me you never did the math on legion's frenzy without telling me you never did the math on legion's frenzy.
The 5th hit down applies regardless of health state, even deep wound, and then immediately cancels the power, also ive been around each corner of mothers dwelling in one frenzy with neversleep pills + mural sketch, its very possible to get 5 hit downs consistently throughout the match
I want to preface this by saying I do agree Legion is very weak, however with some of their addons or builds, some of this advice isnt great. Enduring lets legion hit you in Feral Frenzy and down you immediately if you stun them, and Never-sleep Pills especially are VERY powerful and almost always let you get the 5-hit down assuming the map isn't something like Red Forest with each player in each corner (especially with Mural Sketch).
Something of note: On smaller maps it's much easier to get a fifth-hit down, especially with the Never-Sleep Pills. Despite the incredible number of pallets, I often do very well on The Game because everyone is just about in reach. You also don't necessarily need to use the Legion's power for hits and downs. If you run perks to increase your terror radius, you can use the power to keep tabs on what other survivors are doing from time to time. If you detect someone in the distance on a gen you know is going to pop, you can drop your current chase and go there to shift your pressure, even if your power will run out. Never-Sleep Pills + Distressing + The Game is a remarkable combo.
This video shows that Scott doesn't know how busted Legions addons are. The duration and speed addons allow you to LITERALLY frenzy across the entire map of most maps. Spreading does nothing. Legion does NOT need to hit a 5th person to insta down them with frenzy. You can just hit the 4th twice. Legion's also usually have the pallet breaking addon. Legion also has an addon that resets his power when stunned. SF/END is also very common on legion so you stun him and then just die. The only thing that works is if you waste a pallet to end his power. You just have to hope he doesn't have the power reset addon or the pallet breaking addon or SF/End. Pretty small chance of that happening from my experience. I think there's a reason I have 4k'ed every single game since he was buffed. Every single one.
My favorite counter to Legion is the DC tech. This is when I leave the match due to the fact that I play against a Legion with thana every other match and it is mind numbingly boring
I think the big Issue people have is when a legion is running the Thana , Plaything, Pentimento, combo with the Legion Pin add on. In a solo que it's a rough combo to deal with just because teamates will probably get downed and if they do the whole team gets hit with a HUGE amount of slowdown. Its certainly not forever freddy or anything but the sheer amount of slowdown is insane
this is precisly it, its really surprising to see a person like scott so out of touch with the current complaints people have with legion, its not JUST thana, but rather multiple slow down perks + slow down addons make gens so dam slow and playing mending simulator all game that its BORING and un fun to face legion. Its not forever freddy but its forerv freddy esque when you compact it with the additional 10s added to all gens.
The Plaything and Pentimento combo can literally be countered by remembering where your plaything totem was. Along with pressuring gens to the point that going out of the way to re-light the totem is a time loss over all. It's really not that good since the killer still has to go out of their way to light 5 totems. Which means they aren't chasing survivors. Which means nobody is being pressured and now everyone is on gens. I've used it a lot and have never gotten 5 stacks once. I do agree that solo que teammates are terrible, and that is less of an issue with killers and more the skill level of the survivors. I only ever play solo-que and its the large reason I stay away from survivor. Still, you can't blame the killer for your teammates brain capacity.
@Charlie Griffin actually thana not causing enough slowdown is a lie. Survivors do gens at 1 charge a second or 1 c/s with a 22% penalty causing them to take 1.22 c/s which for the 90 charges for a gen base gen time being 90 seconds = to base speed of 1 c/s to do actions it takes with just thana alone 109.8 seconds to do gens and that’s 19.8 second increase imagine across 5 gens thats 100 seconds more and that’s not including other slowdown perks. Doesn’t matter if legion is M1 if you have incompetent team mates in solo que that stay injured and combined with other slowdown perks or gen regression perks it is proven math that the game is delayed by a lot, and an overwhelming amount in the killers favor to use a majority of pallets to create dead zones. It’s only delaying the inevitable. Also the stand in front of the pallet idea is countered by spirit fury enduring. So valid argument that legion needs nerfs. Plague also thana is broken on plague cause it forces you to cleanse and if you cleanse she gets probably one one of the strongest if not the strongest projectile in the game. This update was an indirect buff to plague and legion who now are gonna be in need of nerfs. The only other way is to make it so action speed penalty perks can not stack so they can only go bring one. That’ll make it much more fair.
The wording there is a bit weird, but if Legion does hit the 4th Frenzy hit, they can just hit that person again to down them with a 5th hit. The advice is still solid because splitting up really does hurt legion a lot, and you really shouldn't instantly mend. A lot of times I see 5th hits happen are when someone who was the first person hit originally mends instantly and then also becomes the 3rd or 4th chain hit because the legion gets killer instinct on them again.
The one quote-unquote "nerf" I think Legion mght need so he doesn't just win off of confusion is just changes to the UI and visuals to better communicate his particulars. I think a lot of people that have only faced Legion a few times aren't so clear on anything being different when he just raises his knife and starts panting. He's still chasing, the animation has just changed a little. It's also *really* unintuitive for people that you're essentially totally safe from him while he's in power and you're in deep wound (unless he hit 4 people). I once posted a crazy UI rework for him where, if he frenzies people, a spray-painted "1" appears above them in the UI. This goes up to 4 as he gets hits, and then it slams people with the Exposed status effect until he leaves power. There could also be a shift to the terror radius where it sounds warped, like a DJ messing with it, when Legion enters frenzy, and returns to normal when he leaves - better indicating a change of state. It would downshift to 1/10th speed when he hits you into mend, but return to normal when he exits, to better communicate when you're safe / in danger. That's not me going "Legion is too complicated, I can't tell what he's doing." I like playing as, and against Legion, I like the counterplay, I just want newbies to more quickly pick up on what it is.
I just pre run and if the legion commits to me I run into a corner so that he can't chain his power hopefully. Works 99% of the time as long as my teammates understand to run in the opposite direction
Scott is speaking the Truth here. HOWEVER a good amount of legion "mains" like to take Enduring against healthy survivors that just wait under the pallet. If you hit them and they stun you, you can instantly down them. You can get a fairly amount of downs with this as Legion. You could combine it with Spirit Fury but eh
Legion is by no means strong, but it is annoying going against him so often. I’ve always hated when certain killers become over saturated in queue, I like variety. Doesn’t help that he’s not very engaging either.
I think Scott doesn’t know HOW to use Legions power - if you’ve gotten 4 hits you can still down the 4th person WITH deep wound. You hit them again in frenzy and it downs them even though they have deep wound…. I can get all the way across the map on pretty large maps for hits with Legion… Scott on lowlow MMR to where the legions don’t even know how to play…? Thanat, Dying Light, spirit fury, Bamboozle (or dissolution) + iri button + pallet recharge addon …. Legion always got this build. Yeah “camp the pallet” lmaooo
Keep camping pallets. As a Legion is great to get a free injure and pallet. Most of the time it doesn’t work anyway. And if the stun does work it only matters if a 4 chain is available.
My only issue with new legion is the never sleep pills add on. It's a yellow addon that's supposed to be a meme addon and give you more points, but it allows a legion to hit everyone in feral frenzy and get a down on most maps, even if you split up. And for clarification, you can down someone with the fifth hit even if they already have the mending bar. This means that the legion can get the 5th hit down if there are 4 survivors, even if nobody mends. You can just hit the 4th person twice and the second hit will down them.
The problem with "spreading out" is doing actions together gives you SIGNIFICANTLY more bloodpoints. Even if its worse off from a gameplay standpoint, by sticking together and healing together you get WAY more bp than the meager points you get for surviving.
I was playing survivor on Toba Landing recently, and doing a gen far away from teammates vs Legion and he runs over at me and insta downs me. I am fairly new so I was very confused and annoyed but oh well. Then I get off the hook, heal and do another gen somewhere else a minute or 2 later and legion runs at me and insta downs me again. I basically rage quit after that. I had no idea that it should never really happen, my teammates must have done some stupid shit to allow for that
You can also bodyblock or take a hit for your teammates when you have been hit by frenzy to cancel his power or help your teammate to not get hit. And 99 ur mend if legion is in his power and you are in TR or he will get another chain hit.
The pallet tip is something I hope more people hear as a Legion main who loves using Enduring for this scenario; people love stunning me out of FF and then running away lmao. If the killer is running infinite FF and it's a map like the Game, survivors can still avoid the 5th hit by just not mending. I've moved to just sitting on a gen until I think his power is over or I'm about to bleed out before mending. Ez counter.
Also some info for survivors since apparently many don't know how legion works/how to counter him: - his killer instinct is the range of his terror radius (you don't hear it, you are not marked for the legion) - he can see you with killer instinct if you are in a locker However you can use a locker to your advantage: A legion will most likely swing the moment you are in range, especially if their frenzy has been going on for some time. If you approximate the time judging by how long ago the last survivor got hit you can estimate the remaining time of frenzy. If you jump into a locker to dodge his hit point-blank range (DONT JUST JUMP INTO A LOCKER) he will miss his hit, ending his frenzy. If there are multiple survivors in a corner and one takes a hit, try to bodyblock the legion. The frenzy will end when they hit a survivor in deep wound again.
this is so funny to me. the first time i went against a legion, almost 2 years ago now, the first tip my friend (who had a little more experience) gave me, and the rest of us who were playing at the time, was "just spread out". we've really never had trouble against legion, even after the buff, except for a handful of games where we just weren't paying attention.
Legion's killer instinct tracked me 3 times despite me not being in his terror radius!! Twice in lockers and once in a corner behind a wall. And before you ask, I got in the lockers early and far, there's no way he could have heard or seen me entering!
I play legion religiously and I can actually get consistent chain downs, also, while camping the pallet does work at times, once you start moving fast enough your lunge speed ends up putting you outside the stun area of the pallet and you basically get a free hit and can keep chaining
People don't say they want to nerf him because he's strong they want to rework him because his matches can last up to 3x times longer than any other killer so it's just dead boring to go against legion. Yes sure we can spread out but eventually gens will force us to be closer to each other ESPECIALLY how the SoloQ is the most unorganized team ever. So unless your team does gens in the most efficient way so the last 3 gens are the most spread out at least 2 survivors will get frenzy when at least 2 gens are done. 4:02 That is something I'm doing for a long time to not spread the Frenzy especially at the start but it's easier said than done especially since they lung fast and survivors drop pallets with a bit of a delay + sometimes pallets don't work no matter how much you spam that spacebar because BHVR (I'm sure you have plenty of experience about that). Still a very good tip for anybody that wants to stop the spread! But yeah I agree with every tip you gave us but my point still stands that unless you're in a DECENT SWf (not every SWF is good, people are still dumb in majority of SWF) people won't play optimally like that because some play sheepishly, some don't do gens and prioritize healing/doing boon vs doing a gen and some are a$$holes and bring the killer to you.
If the worst case scenario does work and he gets the fourth hit, he gets the free down if there is nothing to save you from the attack. His 5th hit will down you, not matter if you are in deep wounds, injured, or healthy.
dead hard exists, mettle of man and otr buffs exist, other exhaustion perks exist (the amount of times i have baited the 4th hit out of them literally using balanced landing the "worst" exhaustion perk is astounding. Sometimes able to do it 3-4 times in one game). Legion will never get a lethal frenzy if the survivors do literally anything to prevent it.
@@JudojugsVtuber Just want to mention that endurance effects don't work if you have deeps wounds applied to you, so all of those endurance perks except maybe mettle (since unless mid chapter changed it, that perk is unique in how it prevents downs) won't actually prevent the 5th hit down.
@@DuskDawn18 assuming legion doesnt do the 5th hit on the person they got the 4th hit on it's entirely possible to have mended and then get endurance to take the 5th hit. If not there's still the option of using literally any exhaustion perk sans new DH to bait the swing.
The point made at the end about not finishing mending is actually misleading to a degree. When there are 4 survivors, if Legion manages to link hits on all 4, it is irrelevant if you mended or not, anything in Legion's wake is going down at that point regardless of health state. When there is 3 survivors remaining, sure, this works, because Legion does not have 4th hit to get from someone since there are 3 people left and if none mends, one person can't get stabbed twice without ending the Frenzy. But if you have 3 people alive and 3 injured with deep wound, Legion will not run around in Frenzy like headless chicken expecting you to mend, because that's losing tempo. Time you spend mending is time of grace Legion can allow themselves walking around picking you or your remaining fellow survivors off.
thanato got a 2% buff but gens got a 10 second buff that makes the 2% buff go up more thanato legion literally all you need to do is hit 2 survivors and now everyone does gens literally 10 seconds slower 4 and now they do 20 seconds slower thats along time to sit on a gen so you have to heal, oh but its legion and you are just gonna get injured 5 seconds later, so healings inefficient, so you either heal slowing progress or you dont heal and you slow progress or you can DC and be out in 5 minutes and playing the next match instead of playing an hour long match
i agree about the 5 hit down thats something ive only been hit by like twice because my teammates mend in front of him while he waits there for them to mend then im an idiot thinking oh his power must of been over its been 40-50 seconds well the 4th hit and the 5th hit are the same like if you get the 4th hit you get the 5th hit guaranteed
Another thing I like to do as a solo queue survivor is, since I know my teammates aren’t going to run away from legion, I get hit first then follow the legion and bodyblock for the healthy survivor. That way legion has to hit me and immediately cancels his power and gives me a speed boost
or, if Legion is not dumb, they end their power without swinging and go after you to down you since you're right there at their face, because this scenario actually benefits Legion, since half of the team not doing gens and you basically throw yourself at a knife point to prevent something that might not happen anyway. The primary application of Legion's power, just like Pig's, is to get tempo from forcing survivors to not do gens, not getting downs at the 5th hit or head pops with traps. Thus, even if you may prevent something, it's still not royally free, and might not even be advantageous in some circumstances. Because not only do you not do gens with at least one more person, which is the idea, but you also go down, and Legion will go on a magical journey to spread some more deep wounds, and thus the perfect picture of "1 hooked, 1 chased, 1 saving, 1 on a gen" arises, or maybe even variations wherein nobody is doing gens. DBD is a race game, so any additional amount of time for Legion is an advantage, and the more people waste their time, the better it gets in the long run.
@@ezergilechimekazikura6855 even with 2 survivors getting chased 2 survivors are still on gens. If you start chasing the bodyblocking survivor the initial survivor you were chasing can now go do a gen. If you cancel power you still have the fatigue which gives that survivor time to get to a loop. Wasting the killer's time is infinitely more advantageous than wasting survivor time even at a 2/1 ratio.
@@JudojugsVtuber first off, no guarantee that bodyblock is sucsessfull, since you have speed advantage. Second off, without bodyblocks it would be 3 people on gens instead of 2. Third off, more base time on gens means, that two people off gens is inheritely more beneficial to Legion. And finally, yes, survivors also have benefits from gheir decisions and, shokingly, might outplay the killer. The point being, Legion's strengh lies not in the ability to down the 5th consecutive hit, or rather, that's not the main part of the power, thus you can play around it.
@@ezergilechimekazikura6855 Yeah 5th hit down is really only a viable strategy if you run never sleep pills and the ads on that increased movement speed per consecutive hit
I play an unbelievable amount of Legion, and only rarely play quad slowdown, Legion is incredibly fun and satisfying when you get chain stabs, and maybe I'm just bad but I think I get a 5th frenzy down maybe once every 20 games, and it's extremely hard to pressure gens and secure the win as Legion for the exact reason Scott describes, SPREADING OUT AND RUNNING IN A STRAIGHT LINE. The worst I can do is delay you healing or repairing cause of mending, or basic attack you and you run to loops which then I'm just a regular m1 killer. Even running turbo slow Legion it's extremely difficult to actually reliably get kills. Spreading out and looping even half decent and chaining tiles is literally gonna dumpster Legion 95% of the time
Yes getting hit by a pallet will end the power, you're right. And then Julie's Mixtape gives you the power back immediately. Bold assumption that anyone using Julie's Mixtape would ever attack through a pallet lol
Great advice on the pallet stun idea. I honestly never really considered that. But it's in the same scope as "how to counter wraith" who keeps trying to mind game you with a fake uncloak XD
I didn’t even go against Legion today, but let me tell ya, I did get a legion of incredibly inefficient and downright stupid random survivors. And I just wish more people would smarten up and learn how to understand the game holistically. And Scott, I appreciate how brutally honest and concise you deliver your content and knowledge about the game. Stg, sometimes I wish more people would think and play the game like you. Perhaps I’m saying this out of frustration over a bad session, maybe I’m just being brutally honest myself at this point, but frankly I don’t care to tell. And the bottom line is, this video is great; I knew most of what you talked about, but I know there are more people who don’t know than do.
4:10 he says camping the pallet against legion is boring, but playing Legion Chicken it's the funniest thing I've seen from playing against Legion. Every time I see Legion Chicken in your compilations, I get a rise out of it, the "circle Legion dance" is hilarious
scott this video is gorgeous but i gotta say, i play legion literally every single day and i get 5th hit downs maybe twice a game which i feel like is pretty significant. never sleep pills are absurd and i think legion is heavily underrated. that being said, a good styptic or pallet stun can literally ruin your game 10 seconds in. i think they’re in a great spot personally
Legion is just so incredibly boooooooring to go against and such a pain too. Rly dislike him. Funny thing is legion mains say the fun part of legion is going fast and hitting many people but most of the time when playing smart legion just ends up hitting you then cancelling his power or for some reason you get facecamped.
Yeah those legions you're facing are just chumps, hopefully they'll hit high mmr by camping and tunneling then suffer the wrath of the 4 stack mega gamer swf
@@Eyeupthebison you’re right he’s playing against people actually trying to win rather than relying on a poorly thought out gimmick, those same people would probably do way better on any other killer anyways.
@@gydalf9490 I don’t see how they’re chumps for not wanting to run away from who they’re chasing to potentially get another hit only for actually good survivors to just deny it and then lose the initial chase where that survivor is now healed up and you’ve essentially accomplished nothing for trying to use legions power “the right way” instead of canceling it and continuing to chase
@@deadhelix because when you play legion you don't have a chase power it's better to try and keep everyone mending until someone screws up so just have fun running around until that happens it's just a game
I do quite well with Legion in my gameplay. In my particular MMR bracket, survivors do the whole camping pallet technique and I just use that opportunity to turn the area of the map into a dead zone. But it's extremely hard to do well with Legion even when I use that technique. I can't believe people are calling for him to get nerfed.
I never thought about the the way you can guarantee the stun and I think that play alone will improve my matches against legion even in solo q since it cover the bad teammates base
FYI legion CAN down someone with the fifth hit even if they are mending at the time. So whoever you hit 4th you can basically instantly smack again and they’re down
as a basically legion maini have even gotten 6 hits, and my record is a single 7th hit frenzy from my experince Legion is a very "Win more" character. If survivors group and start healing its great and if the survivor do gens like the optimal stratagy it is, its ugh. Edit: What feels like you dont explain well at 6:14 is that it is actually possiable to down someone who is currently bleeding so what you can usually do is get the forth stab and stab that person again right away
Scott, you misunderstand the 5th hit, the last hit can be on a deep wound survivor. You get to the fourth, hit them, then hit them again and they go down. I've down it like three times, so unless it's a bug, you just hit the fourth guy again.
@@ragegoat I find it easiest when someone is on the hook. You hit two, thr third unhooks and you hit both of them. If they don't unhook, easy camp cuz most people injured.
This doesn't account for the add on that gives his power back when he gets stunned in his power. That with Spirit Fury x Enduring + Iri pin makes the power truly uncounterable, though yes you can still split up.
@@Remediast true, but they still have space for thana and another choice. I used this build on the game map to get the archive challenge for frenzy hits. Trust me, it was miserable for them; they just gave up.
The only slowdown I liked to run on Legion was Blood Echo since it forced survivors to either waste time healing or go without their Dead Hard. With Enduring/Spirit Fury to be unga bunga and BBQ for BP.
"If everyone has deep wound then the Legion can't possibly get the 5th hit" Scott, you know you can use your 5th hit on someone who already has deep wound, right?
@@ragegoat his example was assuming all survivors were alive since he said there’s no way he should be able to hit all 4 of you and then be able to get the 5th hit if you don’t mend. But I’m guessing he doesn’t realize you can 5th hit down someone in deep wound
@@joey7708 I believe what he meant by that was the legion shouldn't be able to hit all 4 people in 1 frenzy for the 5th hit, not that the 5th hit doesn't count on deep wounds. If you don't mend and they can't get to the 4th person then legion never gets the 5th hit down.
@@joey7708 I mean, he literally says "if he gets a third mending hit, just stop mending". I think that's pretty clear - either Legion has to chase the 4th (probably cross map) or he has no target for the 4th hit. The 5th hit doesn't matter because you stop him before he gets 4.
i wish more people understood not mending = him not getting killer instinct on you as well as not giving him an extra frenzy hit. solo queue teammates be mending and then running into him again to give him another free hit like it doesn’t matter
usually i go by windows with wide open area after them like shack and i vault, fake a direction and when he vault, stick the wall so i get behind him after his vault and either slow vault if he doesnt know of fast vault if needed. also very easy.
6:36 i actually got hit by the 5th feral frenzy hit thrice in one game, i have no idea what were my soloQ teammates doing, but i was sitting on the thompson house gen for almost an entire game, the 5th hit down is an annoying mechanic only because in soloQ you cant control your teammates, they might just be grouped up while you are on the other side of the map, and you are the one who suffers the consequences
@@LoneCat2137 I mean sure but generally your teammates feeding them by going down tends to eventually leave you in tougher situations if you try to go for any kind of altruism.
What’s truly sad about this is that Scott went to all the effort to make this video on EXACTLY how to counter a (C-tier) killer and yet for the foreseeable future there will be countless survivors complaining about how strong Legion is. Not because Legion is actually strong, but because like most survivors they still don’t respect what a killer can do when played properly and play greedy. Then they get punished for being greedy and making stupid mistakes and complain that the game is unbalanced or that the killer is too strong.
"You should never be near an opponent...team mate" -Scott "solo q" Jund
Yeah social distancing!
good job Scott junderland for reminding us!
The real killers are your own teammates
Scott gets it
*Self-Care Claudette intensifies*
That was awesome
Kind of ironic the killer who’s canonically multiple people’s weakness is only being able to be in one place at once
funny enough dredge is also multiple people and they can be anywhere
@@evanmarx4813 yeah but the dredge is an entity of multiple souls and the legion is canonically multiple entities and in reality is just a weirdo with a knife
This is exactly why I play enduring/spirit fury legion for cheeky instant downs and swinging through pallets when everyone expects you to respect it.
that's mainly his weakness after all as an M1 killer, remove all pallets and you're gucci
well then you're not a quad slowdown legion so people shouldnt be bitching
@@ScottJund 3:09 Actually, that tile does exist.
That's one of the new tiles for trappers maps
@@spiritupgrades that sounds extremely bs, but i'll believe you bro
@@Chris____. there is a small tile on Macmillan map now with 3 odd shaped walls and two windows but no pallet. It's like a capital J shape wall , very odd.
The legion will start their dance to show they mean buisness, but don’t be afraid, as this is just the way they defend themselves.
Show your dominance by standing at the pallet and never yielding.
This is your pallet not theirs.
As a legion player I can confirm, we are terrified of survivors and do random dances to drop their pallets
@@nikitaostroukhov6727 i do quite enjoy the pallet lord legion build, even if its not too efficient
Scott’s description of the Legion Dance when you camp pallets is spot on. It made me lmfao.
Honestly forgot to mention some good info beginners don't know: If legion is IN frenzy, and you're not in mend state, but you can hear his terror radius Legion can see you with Killer instinct, & YES in lockers...
Nothing releases the Dopamine like ripping open a locker I know someone is in.
@@Efnol
Imagine wanting one of the weakest killers in the game nerfed.
@@Efnol
You make a bad suggestion and your only defence when someone disagrees with your bad suggestion is "bIAseD kILleR mAin"?
My god, you are sensitive.
@@Efnol Legion is fine where they are and how they are. Plus Legion doesn’t have infinite killer instinct. Killer instinct only shows up for people in their terror radius
@@Efnol Bs, just get better learning from your mistakes and stop crying.
Scott even thought I understand you, if you get 4 hits you can hit the last survivor again, regardless if the survivor has deep wound, everything else is spot on
Jus goes to show how little hes seen the 5th hit which is sorta proof of his advice working
@Charlie Griffin his wording implied it was impossible if no one mends, even if all 4 are together. Not his fault, I only know it works this way because I’ve gone against some crappy teams with legion
WARNING: If him have enduring, you may go down if your timing is off on the pallet drop.
No, the only happens if he is in the same side of you, what he means is if the legion hits you, you run to the other side when hit you and throw it down. When he hits you, he is in the same side you are because how it works and you are invincible after the hit so you run to the other side quickly and throw it down, the only thing that can kill you is spirit fury but if you know he has it. Just don't throw the pallet and do the dance and hope your teammates split up already or start to do that when you buy the time, or in a swf, say split up now.
Or if you are feeling dangerous, you can try to time him his lunge with a pallet drop so he is just stunned out of his power with no hit. So even with Spirit fury, he will have to m1 you first then follow up.
“timing is off on the pallet drop”
Better legions usually run enduring /spirit fury with thana and gift of pain and in my opinion that is his strongest build right now.
@@elitedragoon6484 that's not entirely true you usually wait on the other side of a pallet and wait for the swing, as a legion you swing through the pallet and the time it takes a survivor to run to the other side legion is already clear of the pallet and you don't get the stun, timing is needed.
@@TheArchivistsVault gift of pain really isn’t strong on legion. Good survivors won’t heal against him really all that much, so you get no benefit on the perk. And if they do, your entire power is about injuring people again so the gen slow down on that perk doesn’t really apply either. I thought gift of pain sounded good for legion at first but when you think about it it really isn’t.
What?! Legion is objectively the strongest killer in the game and here's why:
- bunny costume
- multiple colors of bunny costume
No other killer that I know of in the game has access to something so strong
By that logic, Feng is also the strongest killer in the game
@@koalamanda8299 exactly, now youre getting what im putting down xD
@@ZaNiiPhantom so true Feng is kind of Op tbh
@@deceidwithinfected4443 exactly whenever I put her on hook and she goes EEEEEEEEEEEEE I get stunned for a few seconds irl
Idk clowns mr puddles is pretty strong. So strong they had to kill switch him
Me taking notes on how to more effectively play legion:
"Hmm yes camp pallets... So what you're saying is take enduring and instant double hit the first survivor, interesting Scott, interesting..."
(also the addon that refreshes your power upon getting stunned)
if they have enduring just drop it so that they end up on the opposite side of the pallet? Like this isn't rocket science.
@@JudojugsVtuber You forgot that this is DbD.
Enduring, spirit fury, and Julie's mixtape (which is also a banger imo).
As a Legion main I can confirm that I get away with swinging through a pallet about 6/10 times. However, this is only if I'm on my 2nd-4th hit. With the extra speed and the lunge, you can catch most survivors off guard and move past them as they panic and drop the pallet. Plus, if you just run enduring you can hit them, get stunned, and hit them again.
Also if you hit four people and put them into the mending state, you can just hit that fourth person again and knock them down. Doesn't matter who you hit with the fifth hit. Just hit the same person twice and they go down while you're fatigued.
I believe what youre referring to is where Scott talks about when 3 survivors are grouped up- since 4 players together really shouldnt happen if the survivors at least somewhat know how to play against a lesion. If one person is on the hook, or one person is doing gens or such across the map, your power will never get you that down unless someone mends while youre in frenzy, giving you that 4th hit you need- I've won a game before from someone mending during my frenzy, but as long as the survivors understand the lesion's power, its a very easy killer to counter.
Yeah that's why Scott only talked about 3 people mending - 3 hits of power, because that's assuming survivors spread out like they should and the 4th one is a Claudette in an opposite corner of the map being scared of every spine chill proc (poor claudies, how are they gonna be scared if they don't know if a killer is looking at them)
i am on the same page. never sleep pills makes his power last for so long and almost ensures a 5th hit every game. and i play at iri 1 and 4k every other game w them. i think legion is a very middle ground killer
@@theghilliegiraffe7595 like iri 1 means anything. Never sleep pills reduce your speed. Also can't the last survivor drop a pallet on your head as you hit them once and vault it?
@@theghilliegiraffe7595 A reminder that iri 1 is only a representation of how much you play and not skill or mmr- if you want to ensure playing against good survivors, play on pc with crossplay off and youll get consistent survivor swfs with at the very least 1k hours- i did this with pig and no perks, and it made me a much better pig and understanding her strengths/weaknesses. I play lesion as well (i like weaker killers) but its mainly that not many people know how to counter lesion, but any swf or such that knows the basics will almost always ensure your forced to lose your power with a stun or distance.
So true great counter guide Scott. When I play legion I run blood favor and plaything to try and prevent pallets. It surprises me how people haven’t figured out how to go against legion by now.
How to counter Legion countering: Never Sleep Pills. It should be an Iri addon for the value I've gotten out of smart players going literally across the map, and simply being unable to outrun me, letting me instadown people out of Frenzy. It's nutty. I'm able to kick gens mid-Frenzy, and continue the chain with time to spare. And survivors camping pallets? Do some weirder Pallet Dances, or even try to go from the opposite side, baiting them. And if you have NSP, you can probably literally just afford to go get someone else. It's astonishing how often I get that on survivors with hundreds, or thousands of hours in the game.
I like how few Legions are using their own perk Discordance which is fucking marvelous on him
It's definitely a great perk, it's just when you're up against survivors who split up on gens or you kill a survivor, they're less likely to group up on generators. They'll usually try to run away from the generator too once they hear your terror radius. The perk loses some value over time like thana. Besides that I think Discordance is a great perk for early game + information in general.
@@FranklyDucks Literally my thoughts couldn't have said it better
Never thought about pallet dropping and taking that hit as a strategy but really is the best way to negate his power other than just spreading out. Very nice Scott
With the growing amount of legions i go against, legion chicken has become my favourite minigame. Works every time.
Never understood why killers has this “all surv start separated” while they literally win from the opposite
It depends on the killer. Twins benefits from survivors being split up for example. I would say hag too, having survivors grouped up harassing traps is terrible. I think killers should have both, split up and group up offerings for survivors, so u can use the one that works depending on the killer ur playing.
I think it's from when the game was better wehn survivors spawned together, which is why the survivors have the one that makes them spawn together
It’s because it was an offering made very early in the game when people didn’t know how to play and was scary for every survivor. Spawning far from your team would make the survivors scared and less effective at doing stuff because of it. But now it’s pretty dumb.
Yes true but it also doesn’t make sense that survivors have an offering that makes them all spawn together which just helps the killer
@@lilbunny9833i play Twins and Hag a lot and I think it’s better when survivors are together to start as hag to set traps sneaky lol
Never thought I'd see a video like this about Legion in 2022. Wild times we live in
Pro tip to piss off legions : if you are grouped up, and you get the 1st or 2nd hit of his power, just start body blocking. If Legion hits you without it being the 5th hit, and you're in deep wounds, it will end the power. Super annoying, super funny, super efficient.
If someone did this to me when I play Legion, I'd have a ton of respect for them, cause it seems to be an omega-brain strat beyond most people's capabilities.
Be careful though as any good legion will just stop his power and instead down you, so don't do this in the open :P
@@BenjaminHari I mean, people are already used to Legion doing that to them in a solo chase. It should generally give about enough time for them to reach a safe obstacle.
@@BenjaminHari ah yes good legion players lol
@@noahleach7690 hey, I’m somewhat good. I got a single kill last game
6:25 I've had a couple of games as Legion where I mange to hit all four people in one Frenzy. It's rare, but does happen. Mostly because people didn't spread out, normally because people were trying to use Prove Thyself. Couple of game as Survivor against a Legion where it happened, mostly on small outdoor maps but once on The Game of all places, not really sure how _that_ happened. Also the fifth hit down _does_ work against the fourth person hit, it is not only to someone who doesn't have Deep Wounds. So you can hit them once then hit them again for the down.
This is not counting the farming games with a Legion.
Thanks for the video Scott.
As a member of the Enduring Legion counsel, please I beg you, camp that pallet so we can Enduring Tech you
even though enduring tech only works if they're stupid and drop the pallet so that you end up on the same side of it as them.
Legion pulls out Sleepy Time Pills+Mural Sketch and counters all of these counters. I've gone against survs that that try to pallet drop counter and most times they end up just getting instadowned because of Enduring and me lunging onto the other side of the pallet.
Ya i had enough pills to get me to rank 1 🤣
Not really. Most maps are still too big to chain enough for downs, and usually will net you 3 injures at the most, and the time it takes for you to traverse is spent on gens anyway so honestly it really isn't that good.
Enduring value shouldn't lead to a killer nerf, though. Mural sketch and Pills are really busted and I won't argue with that. Get 2 hits and you basically have a guaranteed down.
@@serenadotbat you’re just as likely to get a favorable map as a bad one and you can cheat with a map offering. Not really a big deal and with sleepy time pills you can get downs even on big maps if you path right
If you're running enduring you aren't running mass slowdown. It is mathematically impossible to cross the entire map even with pills and sketch. You can only ever cross 1/5th of most maps in the game outside of dead dawg even at the 2nd/3rd hits. You can only get downed by enduring tech if the survivor stuns you on the same side of the pallet and on top of that if you guess wrong and they don't vault the pallet you just swing at nothing while they get free distance/free loops at the pallet.
I love the circle Legion dance part.
Was in a game against legion in shelter woods. He literally ran across the map in his power and got hits in. It was hell.
THIS
Scott: 5th hit should never happen
Me in solo q going down by being exclusively the 5th hit because they decided to mend and run towards my lonely corner of the map.
that's been my experience. solo queue teammates mending immediately and close to each other =(
One game i was downed 3 times like that.damn i was angry as hell.
@@JigsawBG-zj9nq I would’ve uninstalled at that point ngl lol
@@adriancharlie Honestly now that I’ve set my expectations that low, I expect the fuck ups and just laugh at the randomness
@@Chikaka27 i was close to do it,before he hook me to die i dc and left the game for 3 days
"When I play legion, I play joey because he be different" -Scott Jund
Accepting the hit and guaranteeing the pallet stun is good advice.
6:25 The fifth hit still downs if you hit someone in deep wounds. You can just hit the fourth survivor twice in a row.
Of course, as you pointed out, the fourth survivor can just camp the pallet. I've been telling my friends that ever since Legion got the rework. If you can make it to a pallet, no matter how bad your team is, you should not be getting downed by frenzy.
Yes but they won't be marked by killer instinct I don't think
@@voidburger2989 You don't need killer instinct if you just hit the survivor you're about to down
@@majickman I'm dumb
I read through most of the comments and watched the full video and realized no one is mentioning these two strategies against Legion. I have over 5k hours on DbD and play mostly solo Q and am always surprised people don’t know common strategies vs certain killers. Please upvote my comment so my fellow solo queue survivors may learn these following easy anti-Legion techs.
1. When already hit with a frenzy ALWAYS 99% your mend but don’t complete it until you feel his frenzy chain is done. You keep the mend process on your bar even if you don’t complete it (just like doctors madness bar). You do this to not reveal yourself to his killer instinct, while you have the mend bar status on you you are NOT revealed in his killer instinct detection radius.
2. If at/near a pallet that’s down and you have been frenzy stabbed or lost the 50/50 fake showdown and he has stabbed you with frenzy fast vault the pallet into him while HE IS IN FRENZY now putting your body between him and the downed pallet, he will now be forced to either frenzy stab you again thus canceling his power/stunning him or he will have to manually cancel his power thus stunning him. You do this so he can’t just vault the pallet and chase to your teammates. This forces him to not only take the frenzy stun but also have to break the pallet most times giving you massive distance.
Scott’s Face on the thumbnail really reminds me of the time Otz did the thumbs up whilst Scott was not paying royalties for his streams lol
Damn I'll let my solo queue teammates know this while I have plenty of time on my 170 second gen
There's this build that I recently encountered, Legion had add ons that shorten the time available to mend and he made a small map offering. No matter what he did, he would always get one person. We usually tried to mend at the last second it never worked because we knew the time to hit a survivor. It was a drag.
The timer is paused while you are running. I don't see how that's a problem.
@@majickman If you're running, you're not doing gens so it's just a stalemate until Legion downs another person.
@@soulofavagabond6919 You can be running to another gen, you know. And if he's keeping all 4 survivors in mending at all times, doesn't matter what map it is the survivors are doing something wrong.
@@majickman You know, you're still losing time regardless. Especially if the Legion had thanatophobia which he did. And it isn't because the survivor's fault. Certain add-ons can make Legion reach to you no matter where you are on the map if the map is short enough so yea, map size does matter.
@@soulofavagabond6919 ya but hows the add on that makes you have less time to mend effect how long it takes to mend?
And from most the games i have and streams i watch no matter the killer you play survivors call them boring or OP which kinds makes you wonder why people play if all they gonna do is complain
I know Scott said the 5th hit should never happen, and while I agree I don’t think that's what makes him so oppressive rn. The easy thana, on top of mural sketch + never sleep pills, (yellow add ons that everyone always has) means every legion game he almost always hits every survivor with his power even if they're in 4 corners of the map (and especially if he's coming back to the unhook). That slowdown alone from mending, longer gen times, and slow repair speeds brings the game to such a halt while each survivor does this that by the time they've finished mending and gotten back on the gens he can do it again.
I had a 27 minute game on pale rose that felt like it would never end cause, while he wouldn't down us often, we couldn't do anything half the match since we were always mending. A small rework to either of these add ons and I think the gameplay would feel less repetitive and more engaging for both sides.
If you split up effectively even with that add-on combo shouldn't be able to get 5 hit
Mathematically impossible. Even with pills and sketch the maximum distance legion can cross is around 200M (and it's less than half that without pills and sketch on top of only reaching 200M on the 2nd-3rd hit). The average map size is over 5000 m2. That means it is mathematically impossible to cross the entire map even with max possible frenzy distance. Tell me you never did the math on legion's frenzy without telling me you never did the math on legion's frenzy.
@@JudojugsVtuber 5,000 m^2 is 50 by 100, a 200 by 200 is 40,000 m^2. You sure you did the math for legion?
The 5th hit down applies regardless of health state, even deep wound, and then immediately cancels the power, also ive been around each corner of mothers dwelling in one frenzy with neversleep pills + mural sketch, its very possible to get 5 hit downs consistently throughout the match
I want to preface this by saying I do agree Legion is very weak, however with some of their addons or builds, some of this advice isnt great. Enduring lets legion hit you in Feral Frenzy and down you immediately if you stun them, and Never-sleep Pills especially are VERY powerful and almost always let you get the 5-hit down assuming the map isn't something like Red Forest with each player in each corner (especially with Mural Sketch).
Something of note: On smaller maps it's much easier to get a fifth-hit down, especially with the Never-Sleep Pills. Despite the incredible number of pallets, I often do very well on The Game because everyone is just about in reach.
You also don't necessarily need to use the Legion's power for hits and downs. If you run perks to increase your terror radius, you can use the power to keep tabs on what other survivors are doing from time to time. If you detect someone in the distance on a gen you know is going to pop, you can drop your current chase and go there to shift your pressure, even if your power will run out.
Never-Sleep Pills + Distressing + The Game is a remarkable combo.
This video shows that Scott doesn't know how busted Legions addons are. The duration and speed addons allow you to LITERALLY frenzy across the entire map of most maps. Spreading does nothing. Legion does NOT need to hit a 5th person to insta down them with frenzy. You can just hit the 4th twice. Legion's also usually have the pallet breaking addon. Legion also has an addon that resets his power when stunned. SF/END is also very common on legion so you stun him and then just die.
The only thing that works is if you waste a pallet to end his power. You just have to hope he doesn't have the power reset addon or the pallet breaking addon or SF/End. Pretty small chance of that happening from my experience.
I think there's a reason I have 4k'ed every single game since he was buffed. Every single one.
My favorite counter to Legion is the DC tech. This is when I leave the match due to the fact that I play against a Legion with thana every other match and it is mind numbingly boring
As someone who exclusively plays solo que, YOU are the absolute worst thing about this game. Don't que up if you're unwilling to play ffs
I think the big Issue people have is when a legion is running the Thana , Plaything, Pentimento, combo with the Legion Pin add on. In a solo que it's a rough combo to deal with just because teamates will probably get downed and if they do the whole team gets hit with a HUGE amount of slowdown. Its certainly not forever freddy or anything but the sheer amount of slowdown is insane
this is precisly it, its really surprising to see a person like scott so out of touch with the current complaints people have with legion, its not JUST thana, but rather multiple slow down perks + slow down addons make gens so dam slow and playing mending simulator all game that its BORING and un fun to face legion. Its not forever freddy but its forerv freddy esque when you compact it with the additional 10s added to all gens.
Just spread out how is that any different than any other killer if he can't chain
The Plaything and Pentimento combo can literally be countered by remembering where your plaything totem was. Along with pressuring gens to the point that going out of the way to re-light the totem is a time loss over all. It's really not that good since the killer still has to go out of their way to light 5 totems. Which means they aren't chasing survivors. Which means nobody is being pressured and now everyone is on gens. I've used it a lot and have never gotten 5 stacks once.
I do agree that solo que teammates are terrible, and that is less of an issue with killers and more the skill level of the survivors. I only ever play solo-que and its the large reason I stay away from survivor. Still, you can't blame the killer for your teammates brain capacity.
@@kmel3588 how am I out of touch I literally agree with you he's boring
@Charlie Griffin actually thana not causing enough slowdown is a lie. Survivors do gens at 1 charge a second or 1 c/s with a 22% penalty causing them to take 1.22 c/s which for the 90 charges for a gen base gen time being 90 seconds = to base speed of 1 c/s to do actions it takes with just thana alone 109.8 seconds to do gens and that’s 19.8 second increase imagine across 5 gens thats 100 seconds more and that’s not including other slowdown perks. Doesn’t matter if legion is M1 if you have incompetent team mates in solo que that stay injured and combined with other slowdown perks or gen regression perks it is proven math that the game is delayed by a lot, and an overwhelming amount in the killers favor to use a majority of pallets to create dead zones. It’s only delaying the inevitable. Also the stand in front of the pallet idea is countered by spirit fury enduring. So valid argument that legion needs nerfs. Plague also thana is broken on plague cause it forces you to cleanse and if you cleanse she gets probably one one of the strongest if not the strongest projectile in the game. This update was an indirect buff to plague and legion who now are gonna be in need of nerfs.
The only other way is to make it so action speed penalty perks can not stack so they can only go bring one. That’ll make it much more fair.
The wording there is a bit weird, but if Legion does hit the 4th Frenzy hit, they can just hit that person again to down them with a 5th hit.
The advice is still solid because splitting up really does hurt legion a lot, and you really shouldn't instantly mend. A lot of times I see 5th hits happen are when someone who was the first person hit originally mends instantly and then also becomes the 3rd or 4th chain hit because the legion gets killer instinct on them again.
The one quote-unquote "nerf" I think Legion mght need so he doesn't just win off of confusion is just changes to the UI and visuals to better communicate his particulars. I think a lot of people that have only faced Legion a few times aren't so clear on anything being different when he just raises his knife and starts panting. He's still chasing, the animation has just changed a little. It's also *really* unintuitive for people that you're essentially totally safe from him while he's in power and you're in deep wound (unless he hit 4 people).
I once posted a crazy UI rework for him where, if he frenzies people, a spray-painted "1" appears above them in the UI. This goes up to 4 as he gets hits, and then it slams people with the Exposed status effect until he leaves power. There could also be a shift to the terror radius where it sounds warped, like a DJ messing with it, when Legion enters frenzy, and returns to normal when he leaves - better indicating a change of state. It would downshift to 1/10th speed when he hits you into mend, but return to normal when he exits, to better communicate when you're safe / in danger.
That's not me going "Legion is too complicated, I can't tell what he's doing." I like playing as, and against Legion, I like the counterplay, I just want newbies to more quickly pick up on what it is.
I just pre run and if the legion commits to me I run into a corner so that he can't chain his power hopefully. Works 99% of the time as long as my teammates understand to run in the opposite direction
I love when survivors run into a corner because hit them, cancel my power, and down them while they have nowhere to run lol
@@KodasGarden
Why my buddy is always by the nearest hook to drop it.
@@peanutmuttplays104 congrats, you won survive with friends lol
@@KodasGarden
I’ll await in my crown in the mail, thank you.
Scott is speaking the Truth here. HOWEVER a good amount of legion "mains" like to take Enduring against healthy survivors that just wait under the pallet. If you hit them and they stun you, you can instantly down them. You can get a fairly amount of downs with this as Legion. You could combine it with Spirit Fury but eh
Legion is by no means strong, but it is annoying going against him so often. I’ve always hated when certain killers become over saturated in queue, I like variety. Doesn’t help that he’s not very engaging either.
I think Scott doesn’t know HOW to use Legions power - if you’ve gotten 4 hits you can still down the 4th person WITH deep wound. You hit them again in frenzy and it downs them even though they have deep wound…. I can get all the way across the map on pretty large maps for hits with Legion… Scott on lowlow MMR to where the legions don’t even know how to play…?
Thanat, Dying Light, spirit fury, Bamboozle (or dissolution) + iri button + pallet recharge addon …. Legion always got this build. Yeah “camp the pallet” lmaooo
@@kr3016 it works if you know the timing. In most cases they will respect the pallet
@@kr3016 if you're using dying light, you probably don't really know a lot about the game :D
@@Ondrej_Slama Dying light is pretty cool wdym???
@@komodo9452 maybe they don’t get enough hooks to benefit from it?
Keep camping pallets. As a Legion is great to get a free injure and pallet. Most of the time it doesn’t work anyway. And if the stun does work it only matters if a 4 chain is available.
Yeah thats why he prefaced it with " if you know your team is nearby" its not an absolute rule
Kahn Academy: Dead by Daylight Edition
how to counter legion: Step 1: Split up Step 2: Loop. ezpz
My only issue with new legion is the never sleep pills add on. It's a yellow addon that's supposed to be a meme addon and give you more points, but it allows a legion to hit everyone in feral frenzy and get a down on most maps, even if you split up. And for clarification, you can down someone with the fifth hit even if they already have the mending bar. This means that the legion can get the 5th hit down if there are 4 survivors, even if nobody mends. You can just hit the 4th person twice and the second hit will down them.
The problem with "spreading out" is doing actions together gives you SIGNIFICANTLY more bloodpoints. Even if its worse off from a gameplay standpoint, by sticking together and healing together you get WAY more bp than the meager points you get for surviving.
? Then lose to legion I guess
I didn’t know this was bloodpoint farming simulator I thought it was a survival game
I mean if you only care about BP then mend simulator actually gives you a lot
@@ScottJund Im not laughing alot about your jokes...but that one was..."pretty good".
I thing that leaves a deep wound on him.
I was playing survivor on Toba Landing recently, and doing a gen far away from teammates vs Legion and he runs over at me and insta downs me. I am fairly new so I was very confused and annoyed but oh well. Then I get off the hook, heal and do another gen somewhere else a minute or 2 later and legion runs at me and insta downs me again. I basically rage quit after that. I had no idea that it should never really happen, my teammates must have done some stupid shit to allow for that
You can also bodyblock or take a hit for your teammates when you have been hit by frenzy to cancel his power or help your teammate to not get hit. And 99 ur mend if legion is in his power and you are in TR or he will get another chain hit.
The pallet tip is something I hope more people hear as a Legion main who loves using Enduring for this scenario; people love stunning me out of FF and then running away lmao.
If the killer is running infinite FF and it's a map like the Game, survivors can still avoid the 5th hit by just not mending. I've moved to just sitting on a gen until I think his power is over or I'm about to bleed out before mending. Ez counter.
Also some info for survivors since apparently many don't know how legion works/how to counter him:
- his killer instinct is the range of his terror radius (you don't hear it, you are not marked for the legion)
- he can see you with killer instinct if you are in a locker
However you can use a locker to your advantage:
A legion will most likely swing the moment you are in range, especially if their frenzy has been going on for some time. If you approximate the time judging by how long ago the last survivor got hit you can estimate the remaining time of frenzy. If you jump into a locker to dodge his hit point-blank range (DONT JUST JUMP INTO A LOCKER) he will miss his hit, ending his frenzy.
If there are multiple survivors in a corner and one takes a hit, try to bodyblock the legion. The frenzy will end when they hit a survivor in deep wound again.
The problem is he can go FAST across the map and get everyone. Try harder
this is so funny to me. the first time i went against a legion, almost 2 years ago now, the first tip my friend (who had a little more experience) gave me, and the rest of us who were playing at the time, was "just spread out". we've really never had trouble against legion, even after the buff, except for a handful of games where we just weren't paying attention.
Legion's killer instinct tracked me 3 times despite me not being in his terror radius!! Twice in lockers and once in a corner behind a wall. And before you ask, I got in the lockers early and far, there's no way he could have heard or seen me entering!
I play legion religiously and I can actually get consistent chain downs, also, while camping the pallet does work at times, once you start moving fast enough your lunge speed ends up putting you outside the stun area of the pallet and you basically get a free hit and can keep chaining
Thank you Scott for using the black background on paint so we don't get blinded irl
I don’t even play Dead by Daylight but I love watching these videos for some reason
People don't say they want to nerf him because he's strong they want to rework him because his matches can last up to 3x times longer than any other killer so it's just dead boring to go against legion.
Yes sure we can spread out but eventually gens will force us to be closer to each other ESPECIALLY how the SoloQ is the most unorganized team ever. So unless your team does gens in the most efficient way so the last 3 gens are the most spread out at least 2 survivors will get frenzy when at least 2 gens are done.
4:02 That is something I'm doing for a long time to not spread the Frenzy especially at the start but it's easier said than done especially since they lung fast and survivors drop pallets with a bit of a delay + sometimes pallets don't work no matter how much you spam that spacebar because BHVR (I'm sure you have plenty of experience about that). Still a very good tip for anybody that wants to stop the spread!
But yeah I agree with every tip you gave us but my point still stands that unless you're in a DECENT SWf (not every SWF is good, people are still dumb in majority of SWF) people won't play optimally like that because some play sheepishly, some don't do gens and prioritize healing/doing boon vs doing a gen and some are a$$holes and bring the killer to you.
A thousand hours in this game i did not know about the 5th hit mechanic till this video...
If the worst case scenario does work and he gets the fourth hit, he gets the free down if there is nothing to save you from the attack. His 5th hit will down you, not matter if you are in deep wounds, injured, or healthy.
dead hard exists, mettle of man and otr buffs exist, other exhaustion perks exist (the amount of times i have baited the 4th hit out of them literally using balanced landing the "worst" exhaustion perk is astounding. Sometimes able to do it 3-4 times in one game). Legion will never get a lethal frenzy if the survivors do literally anything to prevent it.
@@JudojugsVtuber Just want to mention that endurance effects don't work if you have deeps wounds applied to you, so all of those endurance perks except maybe mettle (since unless mid chapter changed it, that perk is unique in how it prevents downs) won't actually prevent the 5th hit down.
@@DuskDawn18 assuming legion doesnt do the 5th hit on the person they got the 4th hit on it's entirely possible to have mended and then get endurance to take the 5th hit. If not there's still the option of using literally any exhaustion perk sans new DH to bait the swing.
fifth hit down goes through mending though
The point made at the end about not finishing mending is actually misleading to a degree. When there are 4 survivors, if Legion manages to link hits on all 4, it is irrelevant if you mended or not, anything in Legion's wake is going down at that point regardless of health state. When there is 3 survivors remaining, sure, this works, because Legion does not have 4th hit to get from someone since there are 3 people left and if none mends, one person can't get stabbed twice without ending the Frenzy. But if you have 3 people alive and 3 injured with deep wound, Legion will not run around in Frenzy like headless chicken expecting you to mend, because that's losing tempo. Time you spend mending is time of grace Legion can allow themselves walking around picking you or your remaining fellow survivors off.
Double if you use filthy blade and make them take another 4 seconds to mend. That time adds up so much now.
thanato got a 2% buff but gens got a 10 second buff that makes the 2% buff go up more
thanato legion literally all you need to do is hit 2 survivors and now everyone does gens literally 10 seconds slower 4 and now they do 20 seconds slower
thats along time to sit on a gen so you have to heal, oh but its legion and you are just gonna get injured 5 seconds later, so healings inefficient, so you either heal slowing progress or you dont heal and you slow progress
or you can DC and be out in 5 minutes and playing the next match instead of playing an hour long match
i agree about the 5 hit down thats something ive only been hit by like twice because my teammates mend in front of him while he waits there for them to mend then im an idiot thinking oh his power must of been over its been 40-50 seconds
well the 4th hit and the 5th hit are the same like if you get the 4th hit you get the 5th hit guaranteed
I can’t remember the last time my teammates didn’t follow me in a conga line against legion
and spam crouch at me after unhooking me and following me to the gen i would like to do trying to heal me
@@desadia nah, they run towards the killer and then run back to you like they’re playing fetch
The amount of survs I see in solo que mend thoughtlessly and/or follow me around and try to get me to heal them vs Legion is staggering.
Another thing I like to do as a solo queue survivor is, since I know my teammates aren’t going to run away from legion, I get hit first then follow the legion and bodyblock for the healthy survivor. That way legion has to hit me and immediately cancels his power and gives me a speed boost
or, if Legion is not dumb, they end their power without swinging and go after you to down you since you're right there at their face, because this scenario actually benefits Legion, since half of the team not doing gens and you basically throw yourself at a knife point to prevent something that might not happen anyway. The primary application of Legion's power, just like Pig's, is to get tempo from forcing survivors to not do gens, not getting downs at the 5th hit or head pops with traps. Thus, even if you may prevent something, it's still not royally free, and might not even be advantageous in some circumstances. Because not only do you not do gens with at least one more person, which is the idea, but you also go down, and Legion will go on a magical journey to spread some more deep wounds, and thus the perfect picture of "1 hooked, 1 chased, 1 saving, 1 on a gen" arises, or maybe even variations wherein nobody is doing gens. DBD is a race game, so any additional amount of time for Legion is an advantage, and the more people waste their time, the better it gets in the long run.
@@ezergilechimekazikura6855 even with 2 survivors getting chased 2 survivors are still on gens. If you start chasing the bodyblocking survivor the initial survivor you were chasing can now go do a gen. If you cancel power you still have the fatigue which gives that survivor time to get to a loop. Wasting the killer's time is infinitely more advantageous than wasting survivor time even at a 2/1 ratio.
@@JudojugsVtuber first off, no guarantee that bodyblock is sucsessfull, since you have speed advantage. Second off, without bodyblocks it would be 3 people on gens instead of 2. Third off, more base time on gens means, that two people off gens is inheritely more beneficial to Legion. And finally, yes, survivors also have benefits from gheir decisions and, shokingly, might outplay the killer. The point being, Legion's strengh lies not in the ability to down the 5th consecutive hit, or rather, that's not the main part of the power, thus you can play around it.
@@ezergilechimekazikura6855 Yeah 5th hit down is really only a viable strategy if you run never sleep pills and the ads on that increased movement speed per consecutive hit
I play an unbelievable amount of Legion, and only rarely play quad slowdown, Legion is incredibly fun and satisfying when you get chain stabs, and maybe I'm just bad but I think I get a 5th frenzy down maybe once every 20 games, and it's extremely hard to pressure gens and secure the win as Legion for the exact reason Scott describes, SPREADING OUT AND RUNNING IN A STRAIGHT LINE. The worst I can do is delay you healing or repairing cause of mending, or basic attack you and you run to loops which then I'm just a regular m1 killer. Even running turbo slow Legion it's extremely difficult to actually reliably get kills. Spreading out and looping even half decent and chaining tiles is literally gonna dumpster Legion 95% of the time
Never thought I’d see a video like this, it’s nice
Its a little harder to dodge the free hit with Never Sleep + Mural but hugging outer walls helps whenever u can
0:50 or if you're versing twins - teaming up in groups of 2 is the way to play against them
Yes getting hit by a pallet will end the power, you're right.
And then Julie's Mixtape gives you the power back immediately. Bold assumption that anyone using Julie's Mixtape would ever attack through a pallet lol
I'd like to add the addon that makes you extend your frenzy every hit will make it very easy to chain hits.
Great advice on the pallet stun idea. I honestly never really considered that. But it's in the same scope as "how to counter wraith" who keeps trying to mind game you with a fake uncloak XD
A really useful tip for people who are comfortable being chased:
If you get hit by frenzy near teammates, BODY BLOCK FOR THEM TO FORCE ITS END.
Assuming the collision comes back up
@@Shikafau in the open it’s hard to do but just try to speed boost then body block a doorway or loop ez
I didn’t even go against Legion today, but let me tell ya, I did get a legion of incredibly inefficient and downright stupid random survivors. And I just wish more people would smarten up and learn how to understand the game holistically.
And Scott, I appreciate how brutally honest and concise you deliver your content and knowledge about the game. Stg, sometimes I wish more people would think and play the game like you. Perhaps I’m saying this out of frustration over a bad session, maybe I’m just being brutally honest myself at this point, but frankly I don’t care to tell.
And the bottom line is, this video is great; I knew most of what you talked about, but I know there are more people who don’t know than do.
Julie’s Mixtape + Enduring says hello
4:10 he says camping the pallet against legion is boring, but playing Legion Chicken it's the funniest thing I've seen from playing against Legion. Every time I see Legion Chicken in your compilations, I get a rise out of it, the "circle Legion dance" is hilarious
scott this video is gorgeous but i gotta say, i play legion literally every single day and i get 5th hit downs maybe twice a game which i feel like is pretty significant. never sleep pills are absurd and i think legion is heavily underrated. that being said, a good styptic or pallet stun can literally ruin your game 10 seconds in. i think they’re in a great spot personally
How would a styptic ruin your game??? If they are in deep wounds from your frenzy, styptic does nothing
Julie’s mix tape is about to become a lot more popular
Legion is just so incredibly boooooooring to go against and such a pain too. Rly dislike him.
Funny thing is legion mains say the fun part of legion is going fast and hitting many people but most of the time when playing smart legion just ends up hitting you then cancelling his power or for some reason you get facecamped.
Then your not versuing legion mains
Yeah those legions you're facing are just chumps, hopefully they'll hit high mmr by camping and tunneling then suffer the wrath of the 4 stack mega gamer swf
@@Eyeupthebison you’re right he’s playing against people actually trying to win rather than relying on a poorly thought out gimmick, those same people would probably do way better on any other killer anyways.
@@gydalf9490 I don’t see how they’re chumps for not wanting to run away from who they’re chasing to potentially get another hit only for actually good survivors to just deny it and then lose the initial chase where that survivor is now healed up and you’ve essentially accomplished nothing for trying to use legions power “the right way” instead of canceling it and continuing to chase
@@deadhelix because when you play legion you don't have a chase power it's better to try and keep everyone mending until someone screws up so just have fun running around until that happens it's just a game
Step 1: Don’t heal
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This is hilarious that people are crying about legion right now 😂
Yes, even with Thanataphobia. Tough it out.
How to counter legion:
Step one: DC. If you disconnect, he can’t get all 4 hits on his frenzy.
He still can…
He still can if timed right
This had been happening a lot to me
not if you have idiot teammates that mend in the center of the map you mean.
dumb Meg main mends and becomes the 4th
5:52 you can body block too. If a Legion hit someone a second time when it isn't the fifth, they will also get kicked from their power.
I do quite well with Legion in my gameplay. In my particular MMR bracket, survivors do the whole camping pallet technique and I just use that opportunity to turn the area of the map into a dead zone. But it's extremely hard to do well with Legion even when I use that technique. I can't believe people are calling for him to get nerfed.
If you time your lunge correctly and bring enduring you can force a same side pallet stun and then double hit them when they try to jump the pallet
@@NameIsDoc I'll definitely have to try running that the next time I make a Legion video!
I never thought about the the way you can guarantee the stun and I think that play alone will improve my matches against legion even in solo q since it cover the bad teammates base
FYI legion CAN down someone with the fifth hit even if they are mending at the time. So whoever you hit 4th you can basically instantly smack again and they’re down
Iridescent button pretty much destroys pallets while in feral frenzy. Plus i would advise against spreading out of knockout is in play.
Pills and Mural combo: allow us to introduce ourselves
20 seconds frenzy, my beloved
as a basically legion maini have even gotten 6 hits, and my record is a single 7th hit frenzy from my experince Legion is a very "Win more" character. If survivors group and start healing its great and if the survivor do gens like the optimal stratagy it is, its ugh.
Edit: What feels like you dont explain well at 6:14 is that it is actually possiable to down someone who is currently bleeding so what you can usually do is get the forth stab and stab that person again right away
Scott, you misunderstand the 5th hit, the last hit can be on a deep wound survivor. You get to the fourth, hit them, then hit them again and they go down. I've down it like three times, so unless it's a bug, you just hit the fourth guy again.
That's if all 4 survivors are alive. Do what he says when there are only 3 or 1 is on hook. Can't get the 5th
@@ragegoat I find it easiest when someone is on the hook. You hit two, thr third unhooks and you hit both of them. If they don't unhook, easy camp cuz most people injured.
This doesn't account for the add on that gives his power back when he gets stunned in his power. That with Spirit Fury x Enduring + Iri pin makes the power truly uncounterable, though yes you can still split up.
That type of Legion isn't using quad slowdown though so survivors would have an easier time doing objectives
@@Remediast true, but they still have space for thana and another choice. I used this build on the game map to get the archive challenge for frenzy hits. Trust me, it was miserable for them; they just gave up.
The only slowdown I liked to run on Legion was Blood Echo since it forced survivors to either waste time healing or go without their Dead Hard. With Enduring/Spirit Fury to be unga bunga and BBQ for BP.
"If everyone has deep wound then the Legion can't possibly get the 5th hit"
Scott, you know you can use your 5th hit on someone who already has deep wound, right?
Only if all 4 surviors are alive
@@ragegoat his example was assuming all survivors were alive since he said there’s no way he should be able to hit all 4 of you and then be able to get the 5th hit if you don’t mend. But I’m guessing he doesn’t realize you can 5th hit down someone in deep wound
@@joey7708 I believe what he meant by that was the legion shouldn't be able to hit all 4 people in 1 frenzy for the 5th hit, not that the 5th hit doesn't count on deep wounds. If you don't mend and they can't get to the 4th person then legion never gets the 5th hit down.
@@xtcarnagerocks8915 Probably, the way he worded it was just as if he wasn’t aware it worked against the last person in deep wound.
@@joey7708 I mean, he literally says "if he gets a third mending hit, just stop mending". I think that's pretty clear - either Legion has to chase the 4th (probably cross map) or he has no target for the 4th hit. The 5th hit doesn't matter because you stop him before he gets 4.
Scott indirectly teaching every Legion to run Julies Mixtape
i wish more people understood not mending = him not getting killer instinct on you as well as not giving him an extra frenzy hit. solo queue teammates be mending and then running into him again to give him another free hit like it doesn’t matter
usually i go by windows with wide open area after them like shack and i vault, fake a direction and when he vault, stick the wall so i get behind him after his vault and either slow vault if he doesnt know of fast vault if needed. also very easy.
6:36 i actually got hit by the 5th feral frenzy hit thrice in one game, i have no idea what were my soloQ teammates doing, but i was sitting on the thompson house gen for almost an entire game, the 5th hit down is an annoying mechanic only because in soloQ you cant control your teammates, they might just be grouped up while you are on the other side of the map, and you are the one who suffers the consequences
thats not a legion problem though? Your teammates can feed the any killer free downs regardless of their power.
@@LoneCat2137 I mean sure but generally your teammates feeding them by going down tends to eventually leave you in tougher situations if you try to go for any kind of altruism.
No one is better at explaining things than Scott with MS paint.
What’s truly sad about this is that Scott went to all the effort to make this video on EXACTLY how to counter a (C-tier) killer and yet for the foreseeable future there will be countless survivors complaining about how strong Legion is. Not because Legion is actually strong, but because like most survivors they still don’t respect what a killer can do when played properly and play greedy. Then they get punished for being greedy and making stupid mistakes and complain that the game is unbalanced or that the killer is too strong.