Okay now I'm watching the video, I can't believe they haven't fixed Wraith's uncloak speed and my theory is they applied the basekit purple shadow dance 60% action speed buff to the wrong thing Also the delay in lunge is good though because it makes people with good ping get the 60ms experience where Wraith's uncloak is server-side and you can't swing until it processes, and those guys have had it good too long
@@lunnefisk4344i don’t think they copy and pasted his shadow dance addon because for some reason he also opens lockers faster despite it not saying that in the description
@@krlosz1996 Put traps where they aren't expected, and people aren't careful in that area. I always just plop a few traps down in random dark spaces or grass.
My friend and I were playing deathslinger and blight together, with me on slinger. We were able to capitalize on the double hits easily because he could use a rush to come all the way over to me for a double hit pretty much no matter where he was. If you and your friend are good with slinger and blight, it's a fun combo to try.
Wraith still feels better even when it comes to downs in this way since you can just hit and run injure everyone. The Blight can also get a few tags for the Wraith to ambush later. Thought slinger and billy/blight still seems fun even if not optimal.
I legit left the lobby and re-queued up cause I'm tired of playing with a weak killer. You have so many strong and fun killers and you're telling me you rather play fetch with your traps and constantly reset them when your poor teammate is playing a 1v8😅 Naw I'm good!
I’m glad I’m not alone on the wraith take. He is NUTS, if you find an injured survivor, it is a guaranteed down. Literally just play gen defence and down anyone you find injured, you will win 90% of your games.
Wraith + Brute with the extended aura reading after kicking a Gen makes it so brain dead easy to just obliterate a survivor if they are not within 2 seconds of a pallet, and I love it
Wait til you get a Wraith who DCs early and have to play against the bot. It knows where you are at all times and the only counterplay is to burn through pallets until you run out, because he can outrun you. Hilarious but also tragic to see the entire team destroyed by the bot.
Wraith is definitely the most versatile killer. Yes some maps are annoying due to the sheer amount of pallets but if you're good at a hit-and-run build you're getting a lot of easy hits. Only downside is that if you're paired with a Trapper or a Slinger you'll have to do a lot of heavy-lifting in terms of downs
The one fun thing about slinger and trapper is, I've found when you reel a survivor in and hit them as they are atop a trap, they immediately get trapped. So you can sorta create your one shot light without having your teammate near you
I've found that Wraith pairs extremely well with Slinger due to the fact that they cover each other's weaknesses: - Slinger has lackluster pressure, but that doesn't matter if you have a Wraith with you. - Wraith is an M1 killer in chase, but Slinger is able to secure downs pretty easily. Especially if you're in close proximity, Slinger can ensure easy double-tap instant downs with his power. Not to mention Wraith can take the best advantage of Slinger immobilizing people simply due to Wraith's speed. - Slinger works better with Wraith than other killers if the Slinger is running Shadow. Unlike Huntress who has a lullaby, since Slinger lacks one, you and Wraith can both go around the map together as best buddies in complete stealth.
I've had a ton of success on Hillbilly by playing him as an ambush class sort of similar to wraith using the shadow class, but yeah he really struggles in 1v1 chases in this mode because of all the pallets.
yes absolutely. i win 95% of my games as billy no matter the teammate simply by avoiding bad areas to chase and cross map sniping survivors with aura reading & undetectable. its so fun lol. only very strong swfs give me trouble but i usually get at least a 5k vs them still
Many pallets and the pallet rebuilding ability really make it brutal. As almost any killer tbh, the pallet presence and that rebuilding ability on competent survivors is a massive headache.
Have you ever thought of making videos while in queue? I don't watch the streams but i was thinking you could have made the whole tier list while waiting for a game, or you could splice it over several games so you have something to do while waiting in the deadly queue times
I loved this video! It’s one of the rare videos were I actually agree with everything - especially with regards to the Wraith and in my own video I said something very similar. I didn’t talk about the bugged unlock/lunge but I did go into detail with specifically the Fear Monger class [which Scott said right at the end so... yeah.]
I think he’s right about trapper. I main him and he’s completely right about his weaknesses. Trapper has crazy potential but has a really weak early game and can’t play aggressively, which creates reliance on your teammate.
You have to play trapper pretty precisely. This includes setting up at the right time and in the right spot and making sure you are going around getting hits and pressure as well because if you just spend all your time trapping then you are not creating enough pressure. But if you don't have enough well setup traps then you are a 115 killer with no power. Once setup you then hope to have your traps pay off with free downs in the mid to late game. If the above is done correctly then trapper is actually decent with the other high mobility killers and is better than say slinger.
As a Wraith main, I gotta say... I have not had that insane uncloaking speed, but I have had the lunge problem. Played survivor the other day, and was like "O.O wtf!? Wraith uncloaks so fast!" ... I love Wraith, tho, so...
I think Blight might be stronger with the extra clutter, I personally find myself going for longer rushes because they’re more options to bounce off of, including your teammate
And that's just the thing isn't it? Deathslingers add ons are so garbage that they didn't add any more since it wouldn't have made a difference anyway he needs a damn add on rework that isn't just number tweaks
@cthulhubecausewhynot1182 not only are almost none of them worth using half of them don't even have applicable uses outside highly specific builds like when the last time you saw someone using the gold creek whisky
Having a buffed cigar basekit (like 1 second instead of 0.75 seconds) would be great. Also having the green cooldown addon would be super nice since you’re shooting a lot more, therefore increasing the amount of potential missed shots. Or scrap both and give him coin
@therealshumbucket coin is probably the only add on they could give him to make him even remotely a decent pick outside of billy combos. Now is he still fun to the folks that play him? Sure I'm one of them. But is he outclassed in every single way by huntress in 2v8? Absolutely
@@jaredwhitten2876yea i agree. His problem is the same as nurse, where his fast chases aren’t as impactful in this mode. Coin should definitely be basekit now that i think about it. Also he should be 115% in this mode. Since the maps are so big, he really needs it
Before even watching: S: Nurse, Blight A: Wraith (arguably S though), Spirit, Huntress, Billy B: Slinger C: Trapper Ok, Nurse and Blight not S tier is even more of a hot take than Wraith being the best killer (I can agree with that). You used "your partner can soften up targets" for Huntress but the same is true for those and they can close out chases the best after all. Iron Will is only on Scout and only if they crouch, no scratchmarks is on Medic after they got hooked once. The logical conclusion is to tunnel the other two classes, aka the ones you can find. And finding people shouldn't be an issue.
I have really liked playing as Wraith bc he is so fast. I can check on generators, break pallets and kick generators and hunt survs almost at the same time.
i agree wraith is numba 1. I had a game where a slinger chased me all match, was basically throwing the game. But the wraith was pressuring all 7 other survivors that they got 6 kills in the end. the wraith had like 40k points while the slinger had like 15k.
6:45 this makes so much sense to me now, yesterday I was Billy and I had random Wraith, I got few downs while Wraith was just annyoing survivors. I was so sure we will lose that game but we won lmao
Another thing with Spirit is that your teammate can be a de-buff as well. You’ll be trying to track a survivor and your Huntress teammate with be humming in your ear, Billy’s chainsaw will be loud af, Nurse’s screeching, etc… So many noises that your teammate produces will annoy you and you can’t track anyone.
plus for some reason 2v8 has all the default chase music, usually spirit's sort of melodic chase isn't a big issue, but that banging from the default ones kinda throws you off sometimes
They should just mute general sounds or sounds from your team mate when you phase. Though I doubt they can do that without it becoming buggy. The lucky break and iron will class really counter her specifically and I hope they do adjust so classes are more general and don't counter 1/2 killers as hard. Missing a phase can suck as well because even with recharge, you are stuck as a 110 killer so even just getting a casual hit while your power comes back is out of reach sometimes.
Since 2v8 came back this time, ive been playing lots of slinger, and ive been having lots of fun! Ive had lots of games, and have made lots of good plays!
Hi Scott, i want to thank you for being very supportive to the 2v8 gamemode and bug issues of the original mode. This tier list was very fun and inspiring for me, i thought for example Wraith was among the worst ones, but after listening to what you said, i agree he's the best. I do not own dbd, but after many months of waiting i will play. The killers i'm waiting for are Wesker and Dracula but i know it won't be possible due to licenses issues, so for now i hope they will add Oni, Legion and Artist, for a new selection of Instadown, Infinite map pressure and Sniping potential (Although to be fair they will have to balance Legion) And, can we all just say 2v8 is the best thing ever happened to Dead by Daylight? Edit: Which is your favorite killer combo for now? Mine is Trapper and Blight Edit 2: And you put the Dbd theme from Michel himself? You deserve my like 👍
Small detail you missed about wraith is that there is a very small moment where you can do the lunge after uncloaking and still benefit from the speed but it's very hard to time because you need to press the lunge in the very last moment of the speed boost. I've only managed to do it twice
5:34 part of the reason of so fast regression is because gens take 70 seconds to be completed. so, it takes 140 seconds for it to fully regress, if it's 200% Call of Brine
unless you're duo with someone every killer is C tier. if 5 survivors are drooling and goofing around then every killer is B tier. they should have stuck to the first iteration, i liked how each killer had something unique about them. i thought billy was cool with the expose drive by strat. removing glowing conc sucks for huntress. im fine with them removing oak haft, but at the same time.... the change i hate the most is the pickup up and hooking animation. i have not been flashlight saved a single time and i havent even attempted to avoid getting flashlight saved by facing a wall etc.... it feels like it takes eternity and gets very old very quick. idc about getting saved, but i am annoyed by how much time im wasting by doing a 3.5 second (or whatever it is) second animation while 6 or potentionally 7 people are working on a generator lol. maybe im crashing out but gens feel like they're way to fast whether im playing the survivor or killer.
also why has nobody brought up the fact that in 1v4 survivors have to complete 5 generators. But in 2v8 survivors have to complete... 8 generators? that's 2 less generators.... i'd compromise on 9 but.... 8??
Wraith is absolutely ahead of the others for sure but I'd say trapper is one of the better ones, simply because it's so chaotic you don't always have time to check for traps. Most of the surv games ive lost is because like 10 people step in a trap and its hard to catch back up
I played Billy one time with my friend on this gamemode, got red forest, and then was instantly felt incredibly frustrated because every time I tried to chainsaw I got caught on a chest, hit a tree, or kissed a wall.
As a Wraith main I have to agree hes S tier I was absolutely shocked when I first played Wraith. So many 6-8ks with gens left because I can patrol and injure so efficiently. Also with his map traversal I interrupt people healing at cage all the time.
I think what makes huntress so good on top of what you said is that her ability to spread damage when you run into like 3-4 survivors is absolutely unmatched compared to all other killers
A video about classes would be good. maybe make a video about the 2 choices the killers get together and how they would work or effect your playstyle? or what killers get best use of them?
I felt Trapper was a bit better in early game if you pick Shadow and just follow your mate around giving the second M1 on the survivors. It worked pretty well for me. Still subpar for sure but more useful, I felt.
I would say to buff Slinger, maybe make it so that he auto-reloads on a basic attack hit and his speed is increased by 5% when his gun is empty. That way if you miss you can try and go for a normal hit and if you hit you can immediately shoot again. Maybe also increase his spear's range and increase the strength of the chain accordingly, maybe it could be harder to break the further away you are from the Slinger.
I agree about Wraith. I tried some of the other killers in 2v8, and all too often, the gens get away from us. I feel like I have to play wraith to feel like we have a chance to properly stall the gens. I've done very well with him with this defensive style in mind, and as much as I enjoy Deathslinger, he's just too slow to move around these even bigger maps. No one else has that pressure like Wraith in this mode.
Okay, holy shit, I'm glad I'm not crazy because I played Wraith and thought I was losing my mind because I couldn't swing after uncloaking for just a little bit. Playing against him the uncloak speed is Super noticeable though lmao
Hate me if you want but ive had some insane games with my slinger and a random billy. Pinning a survivor with your shot and billy instadowning him with his chainsaw makes for quick and easy downs, which if done enough, leads to survivors being overwhelmed and trying to heal it off (and if they don't then we can split and pick off injured survivors). Yeah i think slinger + billy is the best combo
Do you think they’ll eventually add the rest of the killers to the lineup for 2v8? I’d kill to see Legion added soon, might legitimately become the best killer in the game if he gets added.
I think they didn’t want to buff slinger too much because they were afraid of insane two tap potentials with a teammate. He will probably receive buffs for the next version.
Hillibilly and wraith are by far the best characters in this mode. If you use anybody else, then you’re just selling. Especially spirit. She’s so ass 💀
Personally nurse is okay. She can kinda kill the momentum if you have an amateur nurse that keeps missing, with her cooldown from blinks and missed attacks.
I run Billy a lot and I don’t focus on 1 on 1 chase. I patrol and get snipes. He’s supreme at gen pressuring. I miss that 15% turning as it makes it a bit harder. I kinda wish they brought him back to injury on saw but gave him turning and gave him an addon for Reving or something. Because paired with a huntress, wraith, spirit etc that are very strong against injured survivors they can clean up all the people injure. In the last version it worked very well. Injured survivors in 2v8 don’t do gens most of the time. Gen kicking wraith though may be better though now. Spirit surprisingly is pretty weak. When I had scout against her it was basically a guaranteed dropped chase if she started phasing a bit to far off. There is so many ways to throw spirit off. At loops it’s basically the same but everywhere else she lacks. But it’s hard to tell if it’s low mmr or not. Or just people messing around. Spirit should not get grabs off gens but I see it happening. So who knows. They need to give death slinger more buffs on hit. He’s just a 1v1 killing when there are 8 killers. Most other killers, even trapper, can technically do damage to multiple people in a short period of time death slinger gets a shot off and it’s 5-8 seconds of reel and hit time then a reload. And with the clutter it can be annoying to find a good shot. Huntress can just launch, Billy can down someone in 4 seconds, and move on, blight is blight and can hit but then get mobility, spirits hits and get mobility but slinger has to sit and tinker with his harpoon and slowly waddle to the next person.
thank you for your take on Billy. He was still a great support without instadowning but now Billy clowns on so many lobbys. I dont get why people are still sleeping on him so bad.
@@ItzNougat yah I know some matches you have more obstruction and I feel that turn nerf at times but if I set up for a snipe in an are with 2-3 survivors I’m getting a down 95% of the time. No one expects it still for some reason. I don’t loop anymore as my time is better spent pressuring. And now that it’s an insta down I down, pick, kick the gen, and predict where the stragglers are running to and get a snipe again.
@@CUZdeathwins if focuses on just going after gen prog, pallets and hit and run he functions the same as Billy. But because he can kick and break pallets so fast it could be stronger. But if you have like a huntress or someone who doesn’t really need to break the pallet removal is kinda unnecessary making him not as viable
HOT TAKE? I’ve known wraith was top tier S since day one lol I’ve been using him only becuase he’s one of my fave killers and I was flabbergasted how good he is
Ok I agree with everything except deathslinger because at a teamwork standpoint let’s say it’s a slinger and billy the slinger can spear the survivor that billy is chasing not reel them in then the billy can chainsaw them super easily
I’ve never felt as worried to move from a spot that I’m getting no value from them against wraith, I’ll get uncloaked on smacked he will disappear come back so I kinda just stay hugging windows
Isn't the reason gens feel like they regress faster in this mode that they regress a flat amount of charges per second instead of a percentage? Unless they changed it from the last iteration, gens in 2v8 only take 70 charges to complete compared to the standard 90, ergo the -0.5 charges a second hit tremendously harder percentage wise than it would in a normal match.
Last 2 v 8 I was winning every single match solo as trapper, this event I tried once playing killer as trapper and there was zero chance. He needs to start with ALL his traps, people said that last time. To have a chance of winning as trapper you need be on VC. This is why I don't play killer, they buff already OP killers then don't do best QOL changes to the weak ones. I would love to play killer in 2 v 8 but I don't want to play those other killers, trapper isn't playable solo yet he was completely fine last event but the only issue then was that he doesn't start with traps and there is zero time to collect traps unless you tell your duo to hold a 4 gen. Every time a room has a trapper I noticed it's a guaranteed loss. And they are blatantly balancing this mode around killers on duo using VC. So solo killers suffer and survivors who are getting downs only possible from callouts, very lame. Premade groups is going to be what kills this game for good. And then they telling their friend where you are despite having no aura reading on you, no wonder no survivor wants to play this game. Same people insulting SWF are playing unfairly as a duo. Never played SWF because nobody I know wants to play this dirty game. I'd rather play against a blatant hacker than a guy on VC because at least the hackers are honest with their cheats.
Deathslinger not at the bottom? Regardless of tiering, I enjoy playing trapper in 2v8 because his gameplay is chill and can trap pallets instead of chasing around n+1 pallets
I had a match the other day with a Wraith and a Spirit and let me tell you between their map control and the absolute paranoia of having those two fuckers teleport behind me, it was an absolutely devilish combo lol
yea its very strong, i only have one complaint as the spirit player in that getting constant noise notifs when a surv spam vaults a pallet to stop wraith from breaking it is very annoying when im phasing
Playing Wraith in 2v8 makes me not want to go back to 1v4 ever again. He is so fast there, but in the normal mode he is really clunky, even when you stack addons. I truly believe he needs at least some of these as basekit, because he is very weak at high MMR compared to most of the killers.
I've played this game mode a bit too much and the best combo by far is blight and billy. Yes there are too many pallets and different loops but a strong player on each creates too much pressure on survivors once downs begin to happen and its over from there because they can wrap around the map and find the hooks
Wraith and Huntress I feel they have made some changes. Wraith just feels so much harder to spot. No issue in 1v4 to spot Huntress the lullaby isn't as easy to determine her location. Again something I have no issue with in 1v4 That alone makes them S tier at least to me.
Oh that's strange, there's actually music in the backgro-you're doing this in queue, aren't you. Scout class gets Iron Will, and Medic gets Lucky Break.
Legions power would have to be changed pretty drastically to be a healthy addition to 2v8, otherwise you could have the whole lobby injured and needing to mend in about 30 seconds, it would be a disaster
i dont understand why, in this overpalleted world, they gave survivors a tuned up any means. Instead, give them a flashlight to start with or something. This just punishes the m1 killers excessively
hillbilly cannot be higher than B tier imo, simply because of how strong some of the loops are for survivor against him. If you get coldwin as billy and deathslinger, the game is essentially already over
No way Hillbilly in the same tier as the top killers, insta downs don't matter if you can't hit them because of the amount of pallets and clutter. Map control is bad because of clutter and his curve isnt enough to get around objects to cross the map. Scout also hard counters billy since it makes breaking pallets not meaningful as they can just rebuild them.
To maintain realism I'm going to pause the video with all the killers waiting to be placed in a tier for the next half an hour
Okay now I'm watching the video, I can't believe they haven't fixed Wraith's uncloak speed and my theory is they applied the basekit purple shadow dance 60% action speed buff to the wrong thing
Also the delay in lunge is good though because it makes people with good ping get the 60ms experience where Wraith's uncloak is server-side and you can't swing until it processes, and those guys have had it good too long
@@lunnefisk4344 you really committed to the bit
@@lunnefisk4344i don’t think they copy and pasted his shadow dance addon because for some reason he also opens lockers faster despite it not saying that in the description
@@lunnefisk4344 the 60% isn't applying to the wrong thing, it's a misplaced decimal he has a 220% boost to uncloak speed instead of 22%
Lmao 😂
Scott you’re missing one killer: The Queue Times
S+ tier. Unbeatable.
this killer is so strong he kills me before the match even starts
This is why I haven’t tried killer this time. Only got so much time to play so not wasting it in a queue
I would count that more like a 9th survivor.
If you showed someone five years ago that there was a world in which Wraith was better than Nurse on a tier list, they’d have an aneurysm.
Modes are different games. Legion was high tier in Lights Out.
To be fair, I think a lot of people would still disagree with this.
Nurse is strongest being a jerk. Slugging downed survivors and being able to go after others which you can’t on this mode.
I think i saw in a Japanese tierlist that wraith is better than nurse ... In 1 v 4 not even 2 v 8
To be fair Legion was S Tier in the Lights Out gamemode.
Trapper is my achilles heel though. If he places one trap on the entire map I will find it, and I will step on it
Lmao
Trappers in this mode love placing traps in absolutely random places and they ALWAYS work lmao
on top of that even if he hasn't placed a trap, ill still hesitate before i enter any pallet or window
@ psychological warfare
@@krlosz1996 Put traps where they aren't expected, and people aren't careful in that area. I always just plop a few traps down in random dark spaces or grass.
They should give deathslinger a double-barreled shotgun so he can deal with groups of survivors
i think he just need bigger range and quicker aim
@@edwinxxviii1283I think a 5 gigawatt laser would be better
Deathslinger should have a Colt Single Action Army as a secondary ability
@@edwinxxviii1283He should be able to instantly mori survivors who get hit by the gun i think that’s be rather balanced
@@StoicScarf seems fair
The Trapirit best combo! Trapper and Spirit, a trap snaps and Spirit turns into a Nazgul after the One Ring. It's glorious
Playing deathslinger in 2v8 is physical, emotional and spiritual pain, how tf are they gonna buff blight and nurse and barely touch slinger’s kit?
Easily.
He’s a support character for buddying up and becoming a deathball killer. He follows the other killer, harpoons, waits, double taps.
He’s support. You stick close to the other killer, (slightly farther if it’s a high mobility) spear them and wait for the double tap.
Stay mad, cowboy
True, i wish they gave him more. But he is a DEMON when you mix him with blight or billy.
wraith feels so fast in 2v8 that he now feels clunky in 1v4 lmao, its so different
Yeah you'd have to have shadowdance, windstorm and swift hunt equipped simultaneously to match the 2v8 version
That's because of 3 things. 1. He's bugged in 2v8 2. They gave him some of his best add-ons basekit. 3. He's a relatively easy killer to play
YES finally someone who think that wraith is the best killer in this mode
in this mode Trapper can be the determining Factor to win a game or does nothing because of one scout who disarms traps
or they just press m1 on gens and the game is over within 5 minutes
You need to make a tier list of all 28 killer combinations in 2v8.
They replace it with perks then tie the ability into killers. So killer combinations isn't as an important this time around.
Nah, he should cover all 336 killers and skills combinations 😂
Husk bug is so ancient I thought Spirit was supposed to work like that lmao
So funny to see Wraith alone in S tier above Nurse out of context
My friend and I were playing deathslinger and blight together, with me on slinger. We were able to capitalize on the double hits easily because he could use a rush to come all the way over to me for a double hit pretty much no matter where he was. If you and your friend are good with slinger and blight, it's a fun combo to try.
Me and my buddy do this one too. absolutely devastating for confirms
Your pfp is quite cursed
Wraith still feels better even when it comes to downs in this way since you can just hit and run injure everyone. The Blight can also get a few tags for the Wraith to ambush later. Thought slinger and billy/blight still seems fun even if not optimal.
They should make it so when Deathslinger shoots you, you instantly die on the spot. I think that’s a fair buff.
The moment I get into a server after waiting 45 minutes and I realize my tm8 is a trapper, my mood is completely changed... god bless. xiao hong shu
I legit left the lobby and re-queued up cause I'm tired of playing with a weak killer. You have so many strong and fun killers and you're telling me you rather play fetch with your traps and constantly reset them when your poor teammate is playing a 1v8😅 Naw I'm good!
@CocoJobro same
@@CocoJobroimagine rage quitting due to what your teammate picks in a casual mode. Pathetic. Just play the fucking game ya big baby.
@@Xdovahosts Want to do the same but I don't possess the patience to wait again.
When you load in and see trapper... its like a kick to the balls.
@@CocoJobroI just like to be the naughty bear lol
I’m glad I’m not alone on the wraith take. He is NUTS, if you find an injured survivor, it is a guaranteed down. Literally just play gen defence and down anyone you find injured, you will win 90% of your games.
Wraith + Brute with the extended aura reading after kicking a Gen makes it so brain dead easy to just obliterate a survivor if they are not within 2 seconds of a pallet, and I love it
The amount of wraiths were going to face just went up 2000%.
Wait til you get a Wraith who DCs early and have to play against the bot. It knows where you are at all times and the only counterplay is to burn through pallets until you run out, because he can outrun you. Hilarious but also tragic to see the entire team destroyed by the bot.
Wraith is definitely the most versatile killer. Yes some maps are annoying due to the sheer amount of pallets but if you're good at a hit-and-run build you're getting a lot of easy hits. Only downside is that if you're paired with a Trapper or a Slinger you'll have to do a lot of heavy-lifting in terms of downs
The one fun thing about slinger and trapper is, I've found when you reel a survivor in and hit them as they are atop a trap, they immediately get trapped. So you can sorta create your one shot light without having your teammate near you
Seems fun but you will basically never win since that combo has the least map pressure of any killer combo in the entire mode.
@@kidscast5842 against solid survivors, not a chance.
However since mmr is basically nonexistent, it is entirely possible
I've found that Wraith pairs extremely well with Slinger due to the fact that they cover each other's weaknesses:
- Slinger has lackluster pressure, but that doesn't matter if you have a Wraith with you.
- Wraith is an M1 killer in chase, but Slinger is able to secure downs pretty easily. Especially if you're in close proximity, Slinger can ensure easy double-tap instant downs with his power. Not to mention Wraith can take the best advantage of Slinger immobilizing people simply due to Wraith's speed.
- Slinger works better with Wraith than other killers if the Slinger is running Shadow. Unlike Huntress who has a lullaby, since Slinger lacks one, you and Wraith can both go around the map together as best buddies in complete stealth.
I've had a ton of success on Hillbilly by playing him as an ambush class sort of similar to wraith using the shadow class, but yeah he really struggles in 1v1 chases in this mode because of all the pallets.
yes absolutely. i win 95% of my games as billy no matter the teammate simply by avoiding bad areas to chase and cross map sniping survivors with aura reading & undetectable. its so fun lol. only very strong swfs give me trouble but i usually get at least a 5k vs them still
actually beat Alby’s 8man swf yesterday with a cracked blight on my team
Many pallets and the pallet rebuilding ability really make it brutal. As almost any killer tbh, the pallet presence and that rebuilding ability on competent survivors is a massive headache.
Have you ever thought of making videos while in queue? I don't watch the streams but i was thinking you could have made the whole tier list while waiting for a game, or you could splice it over several games so you have something to do while waiting in the deadly queue times
i actually tried that but some jackass did a text to speech request in the middle of it
@@ScottJundwhy not turn them off during the video?
@@sauceboss7165 I FORGOT
Ah fair enough
@@ScottJund Bro forgor
I loved this video! It’s one of the rare videos were I actually agree with everything - especially with regards to the Wraith and in my own video I said something very similar. I didn’t talk about the bugged unlock/lunge but I did go into detail with specifically the Fear Monger class [which Scott said right at the end so... yeah.]
Glad to know I’m not the only one getting dominated by wraith somehow in this mode
I think you're underestimating Trapper in this mode.
I think he’s right about trapper. I main him and he’s completely right about his weaknesses. Trapper has crazy potential but has a really weak early game and can’t play aggressively, which creates reliance on your teammate.
You have to play trapper pretty precisely. This includes setting up at the right time and in the right spot and making sure you are going around getting hits and pressure as well because if you just spend all your time trapping then you are not creating enough pressure. But if you don't have enough well setup traps then you are a 115 killer with no power. Once setup you then hope to have your traps pay off with free downs in the mid to late game.
If the above is done correctly then trapper is actually decent with the other high mobility killers and is better than say slinger.
As a Wraith main, I gotta say... I have not had that insane uncloaking speed, but I have had the lunge problem. Played survivor the other day, and was like "O.O wtf!? Wraith uncloaks so fast!"
... I love Wraith, tho, so...
I think Blight might be stronger with the extra clutter, I personally find myself going for longer rushes because they’re more options to bounce off of, including your teammate
the menu theme was playing in the background the whole time bc scott was absolutely in a killer queue while making this
And that's just the thing isn't it? Deathslingers add ons are so garbage that they didn't add any more since it wouldn't have made a difference anyway he needs a damn add on rework that isn't just number tweaks
They could give him every one of his addons besides the brown chain addon and he’d probably still not be great.
@cthulhubecausewhynot1182 not only are almost none of them worth using half of them don't even have applicable uses outside highly specific builds like when the last time you saw someone using the gold creek whisky
Having a buffed cigar basekit (like 1 second instead of 0.75 seconds) would be great. Also having the green cooldown addon would be super nice since you’re shooting a lot more, therefore increasing the amount of potential missed shots. Or scrap both and give him coin
@therealshumbucket coin is probably the only add on they could give him to make him even remotely a decent pick outside of billy combos. Now is he still fun to the folks that play him? Sure I'm one of them. But is he outclassed in every single way by huntress in 2v8? Absolutely
@@jaredwhitten2876yea i agree. His problem is the same as nurse, where his fast chases aren’t as impactful in this mode. Coin should definitely be basekit now that i think about it. Also he should be 115% in this mode. Since the maps are so big, he really needs it
Before even watching:
S: Nurse, Blight
A: Wraith (arguably S though), Spirit, Huntress, Billy
B: Slinger
C: Trapper
Ok, Nurse and Blight not S tier is even more of a hot take than Wraith being the best killer (I can agree with that). You used "your partner can soften up targets" for Huntress but the same is true for those and they can close out chases the best after all. Iron Will is only on Scout and only if they crouch, no scratchmarks is on Medic after they got hooked once. The logical conclusion is to tunnel the other two classes, aka the ones you can find. And finding people shouldn't be an issue.
I have really liked playing as Wraith bc he is so fast. I can check on generators, break pallets and kick generators and hunt survs almost at the same time.
thats what makes him unfair
i agree wraith is numba 1. I had a game where a slinger chased me all match, was basically throwing the game. But the wraith was pressuring all 7 other survivors that they got 6 kills in the end. the wraith had like 40k points while the slinger had like 15k.
6:45 this makes so much sense to me now, yesterday I was Billy and I had random Wraith, I got few downs while Wraith was just annyoing survivors. I was so sure we will lose that game but we won lmao
Another thing with Spirit is that your teammate can be a de-buff as well. You’ll be trying to track a survivor and your Huntress teammate with be humming in your ear, Billy’s chainsaw will be loud af, Nurse’s screeching, etc…
So many noises that your teammate produces will annoy you and you can’t track anyone.
plus for some reason 2v8 has all the default chase music, usually spirit's sort of melodic chase isn't a big issue, but that banging from the default ones kinda throws you off sometimes
They should just mute general sounds or sounds from your team mate when you phase. Though I doubt they can do that without it becoming buggy.
The lucky break and iron will class really counter her specifically and I hope they do adjust so classes are more general and don't counter 1/2 killers as hard. Missing a phase can suck as well because even with recharge, you are stuck as a 110 killer so even just getting a casual hit while your power comes back is out of reach sometimes.
Since 2v8 came back this time, ive been playing lots of slinger, and ive been having lots of fun! Ive had lots of games, and have made lots of good plays!
@@Baldilocks88 Slinger mains are the best mains :) ❤️
Hi Scott, i want to thank you for being very supportive to the 2v8 gamemode and bug issues of the original mode. This tier list was very fun and inspiring for me, i thought for example Wraith was among the worst ones, but after listening to what you said, i agree he's the best. I do not own dbd, but after many months of waiting i will play. The killers i'm waiting for are Wesker and Dracula but i know it won't be possible due to licenses issues, so for now i hope they will add Oni, Legion and Artist, for a new selection of Instadown, Infinite map pressure and Sniping potential (Although to be fair they will have to balance Legion) And, can we all just say 2v8 is the best thing ever happened to Dead by Daylight?
Edit: Which is your favorite killer combo for now? Mine is Trapper and Blight
Edit 2: And you put the Dbd theme from Michel himself? You deserve my like 👍
as trapper i had a chain of like 3 survivors going for a pallet save dying to the same trap i put on the pallet lmao
Hey scott, guys here
Holy shit, Scott the Jund
Small detail you missed about wraith is that there is a very small moment where you can do the lunge after uncloaking and still benefit from the speed but it's very hard to time because you need to press the lunge in the very last moment of the speed boost. I've only managed to do it twice
Deathslinger is great if you’re mobbing with your other killer. Free downs constantly.
Cool video scat 👍🏿 also I think the best combo is wraith and spirit
5:34 part of the reason of so fast regression is because gens take 70 seconds to be completed. so, it takes 140 seconds for it to fully regress, if it's 200% Call of Brine
Wraith can basically force someone to drop a pallet while hes invis, kick the pallet, then chase and uncloak before they can reach another pallet
unless you're duo with someone every killer is C tier. if 5 survivors are drooling and goofing around then every killer is B tier. they should have stuck to the first iteration, i liked how each killer had something unique about them. i thought billy was cool with the expose drive by strat. removing glowing conc sucks for huntress. im fine with them removing oak haft, but at the same time.... the change i hate the most is the pickup up and hooking animation. i have not been flashlight saved a single time and i havent even attempted to avoid getting flashlight saved by facing a wall etc.... it feels like it takes eternity and gets very old very quick. idc about getting saved, but i am annoyed by how much time im wasting by doing a 3.5 second (or whatever it is) second animation while 6 or potentionally 7 people are working on a generator lol. maybe im crashing out but gens feel like they're way to fast whether im playing the survivor or killer.
also why has nobody brought up the fact that in 1v4 survivors have to complete 5 generators. But in 2v8 survivors have to complete... 8 generators? that's 2 less generators.... i'd compromise on 9 but.... 8??
I don’t understand why they can’t just give trapper all of his traps from the get go. It would make a huge difference
Wraith is absolutely ahead of the others for sure but I'd say trapper is one of the better ones, simply because it's so chaotic you don't always have time to check for traps. Most of the surv games ive lost is because like 10 people step in a trap and its hard to catch back up
a good trapper is strong imo, but hes pretty map dependant. def does way better on the darker maps with thick grass
I played Billy one time with my friend on this gamemode, got red forest, and then was instantly felt incredibly frustrated because every time I tried to chainsaw I got caught on a chest, hit a tree, or kissed a wall.
Trapper gets utterly destroyed by 1 scout who disarms traps
Spirit's biggest strength is to be able to phase in and grab someone with no counterplay. I felt like you discounted this here.
As a Wraith main I have to agree hes S tier I was absolutely shocked when I first played Wraith. So many 6-8ks with gens left because I can patrol and injure so efficiently. Also with his map traversal I interrupt people healing at cage all the time.
I think what makes huntress so good on top of what you said is that her ability to spread damage when you run into like 3-4 survivors is absolutely unmatched compared to all other killers
sadly most huntresses ive had as teammates are booty cheeks
A video about classes would be good. maybe make a video about the 2 choices the killers get together and how they would work or effect your playstyle? or what killers get best use of them?
have you looked at the times of cloak and uncloak on wraith? I swear it feels identical to each other
I felt Trapper was a bit better in early game if you pick Shadow and just follow your mate around giving the second M1 on the survivors. It worked pretty well for me. Still subpar for sure but more useful, I felt.
I would say to buff Slinger, maybe make it so that he auto-reloads on a basic attack hit and his speed is increased by 5% when his gun is empty. That way if you miss you can try and go for a normal hit and if you hit you can immediately shoot again. Maybe also increase his spear's range and increase the strength of the chain accordingly, maybe it could be harder to break the further away you are from the Slinger.
I agree about Wraith. I tried some of the other killers in 2v8, and all too often, the gens get away from us. I feel like I have to play wraith to feel like we have a chance to properly stall the gens. I've done very well with him with this defensive style in mind, and as much as I enjoy Deathslinger, he's just too slow to move around these even bigger maps. No one else has that pressure like Wraith in this mode.
Make a short video ranking and discussing the survivor classes as well!
Okay, holy shit, I'm glad I'm not crazy because I played Wraith and thought I was losing my mind because I couldn't swing after uncloaking for just a little bit. Playing against him the uncloak speed is Super noticeable though lmao
another day another scott vid for me to argue online about
Now make one for every killer duo Pog
Hate me if you want but ive had some insane games with my slinger and a random billy. Pinning a survivor with your shot and billy instadowning him with his chainsaw makes for quick and easy downs, which if done enough, leads to survivors being overwhelmed and trying to heal it off (and if they don't then we can split and pick off injured survivors). Yeah i think slinger + billy is the best combo
Do you think they’ll eventually add the rest of the killers to the lineup for 2v8? I’d kill to see Legion added soon, might legitimately become the best killer in the game if he gets added.
I think they didn’t want to buff slinger too much because they were afraid of insane two tap potentials with a teammate. He will probably receive buffs for the next version.
Hillibilly and wraith are by far the best characters in this mode. If you use anybody else, then you’re just selling. Especially spirit. She’s so ass 💀
Disagree, blight is amazing in this mode!
Personally nurse is okay. She can kinda kill the momentum if you have an amateur nurse that keeps missing, with her cooldown from blinks and missed attacks.
I run Billy a lot and I don’t focus on 1 on 1 chase. I patrol and get snipes. He’s supreme at gen pressuring. I miss that 15% turning as it makes it a bit harder.
I kinda wish they brought him back to injury on saw but gave him turning and gave him an addon for Reving or something. Because paired with a huntress, wraith, spirit etc that are very strong against injured survivors they can clean up all the people injure. In the last version it worked very well. Injured survivors in 2v8 don’t do gens most of the time.
Gen kicking wraith though may be better though now.
Spirit surprisingly is pretty weak. When I had scout against her it was basically a guaranteed dropped chase if she started phasing a bit to far off. There is so many ways to throw spirit off. At loops it’s basically the same but everywhere else she lacks. But it’s hard to tell if it’s low mmr or not. Or just people messing around. Spirit should not get grabs off gens but I see it happening. So who knows.
They need to give death slinger more buffs on hit. He’s just a 1v1 killing when there are 8 killers. Most other killers, even trapper, can technically do damage to multiple people in a short period of time death slinger gets a shot off and it’s 5-8 seconds of reel and hit time then a reload.
And with the clutter it can be annoying to find a good shot.
Huntress can just launch, Billy can down someone in 4 seconds, and move on, blight is blight and can hit but then get mobility, spirits hits and get mobility but slinger has to sit and tinker with his harpoon and slowly waddle to the next person.
thank you for your take on Billy. He was still a great support without instadowning but now Billy clowns on so many lobbys. I dont get why people are still sleeping on him so bad.
imo hes the undisputed #2 to wraith, if used properly
@@ItzNougat yah I know some matches you have more obstruction and I feel that turn nerf at times but if I set up for a snipe in an are with 2-3 survivors I’m getting a down 95% of the time. No one expects it still for some reason. I don’t loop anymore as my time is better spent pressuring. And now that it’s an insta down I down, pick, kick the gen, and predict where the stragglers are running to and get a snipe again.
@@CUZdeathwins if focuses on just going after gen prog, pallets and hit and run he functions the same as Billy. But because he can kick and break pallets so fast it could be stronger. But if you have like a huntress or someone who doesn’t really need to break the pallet removal is kinda unnecessary making him not as viable
HOT TAKE? I’ve known wraith was top tier S since day one lol
I’ve been using him only becuase he’s one of my fave killers and I was flabbergasted how good he is
Ok I agree with everything except deathslinger because at a teamwork standpoint let’s say it’s a slinger and billy the slinger can spear the survivor that billy is chasing not reel them in then the billy can chainsaw them super easily
2:00 Yeah, no kidding. I chainsawed off a hill and ended up stuck between a rock and tree for the rest of the match.
I’ve never felt as worried to move from a spot that I’m getting no value from them against wraith, I’ll get uncloaked on smacked he will disappear come back so I kinda just stay hugging windows
scott? SCOTLAND FOREVER 🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴
Isn't the reason gens feel like they regress faster in this mode that they regress a flat amount of charges per second instead of a percentage? Unless they changed it from the last iteration, gens in 2v8 only take 70 charges to complete compared to the standard 90, ergo the -0.5 charges a second hit tremendously harder percentage wise than it would in a normal match.
Last 2 v 8 I was winning every single match solo as trapper, this event I tried once playing killer as trapper and there was zero chance. He needs to start with ALL his traps, people said that last time. To have a chance of winning as trapper you need be on VC. This is why I don't play killer, they buff already OP killers then don't do best QOL changes to the weak ones. I would love to play killer in 2 v 8 but I don't want to play those other killers, trapper isn't playable solo yet he was completely fine last event but the only issue then was that he doesn't start with traps and there is zero time to collect traps unless you tell your duo to hold a 4 gen. Every time a room has a trapper I noticed it's a guaranteed loss.
And they are blatantly balancing this mode around killers on duo using VC. So solo killers suffer and survivors who are getting downs only possible from callouts, very lame. Premade groups is going to be what kills this game for good. And then they telling their friend where you are despite having no aura reading on you, no wonder no survivor wants to play this game. Same people insulting SWF are playing unfairly as a duo. Never played SWF because nobody I know wants to play this dirty game. I'd rather play against a blatant hacker than a guy on VC because at least the hackers are honest with their cheats.
Deathslinger not at the bottom?
Regardless of tiering, I enjoy playing trapper in 2v8 because his gameplay is chill and can trap pallets instead of chasing around n+1 pallets
I had a match the other day with a Wraith and a Spirit and let me tell you between their map control and the absolute paranoia of having those two fuckers teleport behind me, it was an absolutely devilish combo lol
yea its very strong, i only have one complaint as the spirit player in that getting constant noise notifs when a surv spam vaults a pallet to stop wraith from breaking it is very annoying when im phasing
I knew wraith lunge was bugged! Only feedback I had was a Sable saying skill difference
In 2v8 Solo Q I play my Main Wraith and Patrol the Gens while my Team mate does most of the chasing.
Playing Wraith in 2v8 makes me not want to go back to 1v4 ever again. He is so fast there, but in the normal mode he is really clunky, even when you stack addons. I truly believe he needs at least some of these as basekit, because he is very weak at high MMR compared to most of the killers.
I've played this game mode a bit too much and the best combo by far is blight and billy. Yes there are too many pallets and different loops but a strong player on each creates too much pressure on survivors once downs begin to happen and its over from there because they can wrap around the map and find the hooks
Trapper should just spawn with all his traps with how much power creep newer killers have
Wraith and Huntress I feel they have made some changes. Wraith just feels so much harder to spot. No issue in 1v4 to spot
Huntress the lullaby isn't as easy to determine her location. Again something I have no issue with in 1v4
That alone makes them S tier at least to me.
Quick 60 second tier list for pairings ?
Oh that's strange, there's actually music in the backgro-you're doing this in queue, aren't you.
Scout class gets Iron Will, and Medic gets Lucky Break.
I totally agree, Wraith is a busted support in this mode. Its so nice to see my boy at S tier lol
Aw your saying wraith is bugged 😵💫 i liked that they buffed him like that
I feel like Legion was made for this mode. And not having them in it is a huge missed opportunity.
Legions power would have to be changed pretty drastically to be a healthy addition to 2v8, otherwise you could have the whole lobby injured and needing to mend in about 30 seconds, it would be a disaster
Does any else have trouble seeing wraith in the 2v8 mode. usually i can see him moving 20 meters from but now it feels like its 5 meters.
I would actually put Slinger below Trapper. Slinger is beyond worthless in this mode in my experience.
the twins are gonna go crazy when they get added
Wraith has 22% decreased uncloak time? Nono, he has 22% uncloak time
i dont understand why, in this overpalleted world, they gave survivors a tuned up any means.
Instead, give them a flashlight to start with or something. This just punishes the m1 killers excessively
i lovee getting high and playing as wraith, just zooming and sneaking up on people 😄
Impossible happened - nurse is not beyond tier list. In fact she is in it and not in S.
Why doesn't Wraith synergize with Nurse?
My only issue with this mode is the pallet spawns anywhere that can spawn a pallet theres a pallet.
And scouts can rebuild them too :x
hillbilly cannot be higher than B tier imo, simply because of how strong some of the loops are for survivor against him. If you get coldwin as billy and deathslinger, the game is essentially already over
No way Hillbilly in the same tier as the top killers, insta downs don't matter if you can't hit them because of the amount of pallets and clutter. Map control is bad because of clutter and his curve isnt enough to get around objects to cross the map.
Scout also hard counters billy since it makes breaking pallets not meaningful as they can just rebuild them.