2022 ELECTRICAL CORROSION ISSUES There have been quite a few cases of electrical corrosion problems on 2022 models. Occasionally it causes oil pump failure and seized engines at low hours. Beta USA is providing good support, hopefully it's good in other countries too. The Australian distributor has been blaming dealers for not doing 'correct' pre-sales preparation and putting dialectric grease in the connections! But thankfully the factory has started doing that on more recent models. Beta USA is very supportive when bikes seize. Many owners are now scrapping the oil injection immediately and using premix. 2022 ONGOING MAIN BEARING FAILURES Beta dealers are still informing us about occasional main bearing failures at low hours in the 2022 models but it appears to be at a much lower rate than back 2018 and 2019 at least. 2019-2022 ECU FAILURES Beta used to use high quality Japanese made Kokusan CDIs, but in 2019 they changed over to a nameless Chinese version. Beta dealers are replacing quite a few of these under warranty. Hopefully it will fail during the warranty period if it's going to fail. OTHER ELECTRICAL ISSUES The speedos are still quite unreliable. One dealer says he just has a big box of these to hand out as they regularly fail during the warranty period. Overall the electrics can be problematic. Another dealer told us he's frustrated with the time spent fixing a wide variety of little electrical gremlins (e.g. engine light comes on when using high beam). OTHER PROBLEMS Assembly still seems to be very sloppy at the Beta factory... missing bolts, bolts too tight or too loose, terrible routing of the wiring in some cases. The good dealers know what to fix and will sort it out in pre-sales prepration. Quite a few dealers won't. Be sure to ask them!
Hey Barry thanks for getting this out to all the Beta lovers and may they check their ECU plug and ground and have a Happy New Year as well. I'l report back on this issue when my service call with Beta is resolved.
Well guys I hope beta fixes all that for the 23 models, I dropped 10600 on one and I bought the bike to ride, not work on. So far so good, but I will keep an eye on the electrical connections
PROBLEM IS WORSE THAN EXPECTED. Beta USA hoped the cause was salty air corroding the electrics in transit, but now the problems seem to be too widespread. Beta has never been great with electrics. Just look at how many speedos fail. And sometimes the electrical problems are just fixed with a complete replacement of the wiring loom. This has happened under warranty and also outside. It is interesting to see that in many cases there is only corrosion on the one pin for the oil injection, which suggests salty air is not the cause. Some proposed theories are the oil pump is drawing too much current for the contact area on that connection. Or possibly a poor ground wire contact is doing the same? Hopefully Beta USA will post any further reports, I bet Beta head office won't bother... as usual. One dealer I spoke to said Beta changed from the ultra reliable Japanese made CDIs a few years back, to some generic no-name brand probably made in China. He wonders if crap quality CDIs might be part of the problem. Who knows? ME? I'M DITCHING BETA. In our group, Ben changed over to TM last year. My brother and I have just sold our RR300 and Xtrainer, and will move to either TM or Sherco. We've had enough of Beta head office failing to address known issues, or taking so long to fix them, and providing so little support to their distributors, dealers, or customers, unless forced to do so. OTHER ELECTRICAL ISSUES A few Beta dealers have told me the waterproofing on 2022 electrical connections is pretty bad on both two and four stroke models, also Beta Australia is reluctant to pay for warranty claims because they reckon dealers should be putting grease in every connection (??!!). They also said Beta seem to have swapped from the ultra reliable Kokusan CDIs in 2018 to a cheaper Chinese made variant so CDIs are failing at a small but significant rate. OTHER POSSIBLE KNOWN ISSUES? A 2022 Xtrainer found movement in the rear shock upper mount, it appears the top bolt is too small. I suspect this is a one-off, but if anyone else discovers this, let us know. LOCATION OF THE GROUND WIRE: It's up high on the frame near the top of the rear shock mount. Remove the fuel tank for easy access. See this vid: ruclips.net/video/Bhb3K1jkmEI/видео.html POSSIBLE POOR WIRING ROUTING NEAR RADIATOR: Signs of this include engine cutoff and not restarting, intermittent mapping switch, only cutting out when the radiator is hot, strange OBD codes, dead battery. The harness is not fastened were it crosses the radiator and can be inadvertently moved when taking the tank off and disconnecting the map switch. Beta was great at helping, they sent me a coil, ECU and ultimately replaced the wiring harness even though the bike was out of warranty. - Captain Cornbread's Dirt, Gravel and Asphalt ruclips.net/video/5CBp6ZJWkcs/видео.html FURTHER COMMENTS ON THE 2022 ELECTRICS One owner reports he can see Beta has revised the wiring under the fuel tank so that turning the bars is less likely to put pressure on the crimped earth wires. 👍
@@crosstrainingendurot Are the hours/miles stored in the ECU or do you lose them when you replace the speedo unit? Thanks for keeping on top of this. I'm waiting for delivery of my first Beta and I'm a touch nervous about these electrical gremlins as the bike is being bought for Romaniacs, so I need it to be reliable.
@@ArnoldJudasRimmer I wouldn’t be nervous about doing Romaniacs on it … the hours are stored on the clock not ecu…. On KTM tpi models they are also stored on ECU 🤓
I own a 17 Xt with 200 hours, greasing the connections was one of the first things i did. A clake clutchlever and engineoverhaul at 120 hours was the only investments…bulletproof bike! 👍
Good stuff! The vast majority of owners have zero issues... and this goes for most brands and models. The panic merchants always think the worse and assume every bike will have every known issue happen lol.
Hi Barry, the new front wiring loom for Beta 2022 2-strokes looks better-designed. That’s my wiring loom spaghetti in your video. The new part shifts the big bend in the harness forward and away from the steering head to behind the headlight - lessening the stress on the cold-crimped earth wires in that section that were susceptible to snapping in the
Great to hear, Christian. Traditionally Beta head office can be very slow at times to actually do anything about known issues so it's always great news to hear of some action. 😊
Good timing on this Barry. My buddy ordered a 2022 200RR that is due in March. I’ll let him know all the stuff he has to fix before he rides it 😝 As far as the salt air affecting the connectors, they are sealed so moisture must be getting in from someplace else. Or they just weren’t assembled correctly. I know where I work we have a manpower shortage and management is actually assembling trucks that we build. That’s always a scary proposition. Italy probably has the same problem.
There have been some online debates about whether salty air should be getting into containers, Dave... and also getting into that connector. At this stage I'm prepared to take Beta USA's word for it but it could just be poor assembly/design/quality as Beta electrics have never been great.
Got 23 Xtrainer yesterday. 1st thing in rder - removing the OI system all together. A bit of elbow grease but now its 100% safe - Engine running = there is lubrication.
Thanks for getting the word out Barry! I really love my XTrainer but certainly was not expecting to have to deal with these issues on a brand new bike. So far our dealer has taken good care of us (we are in the US). We are replacing the wiring harness and ECU, fine tuning the frame ground, putting dielectric grease in allll the connectors and giving it another go. If the same thing happens we will bypass the OI and premix. Has anyone here had the service done already and gotten some more time on their bikes? How are you making out? Looking for some hope here!
Fingers crossed! My Beta mechanic is starting to recommend bypassing the OI once you are out of warranty nowadays. He used to say leave it in for a few years but I think the recent electrical issues have swayed his opinion on recent models.
my xtrainer died at 3 hours. zero help from selling dealer, 3 hours away. beta usa sent me copies of the electrical bulletins, none of which had been done by selling dealer brewer cycles. did the grease in all connectors, modified ground, no help. 3 seas recreation (jared) got me test info, turned out to be the ignition case was full of oil. jared overnighted seal, crank sensor and flywheel tools. 20 hours now and no more issues. my take, do not assume the guy who put your bike together did any more than just that. if you want a warranty on your dirt bike, i would not recommend a beta unless you know the dealer and they are close. otherwise, i love the bike, just bought a fatty pipe from jared and it is even more awesome
Great to hear. A small percentage just had electrical issues of various types. Keep an ear out for starter motor noises too, a few 2021 models stripped the ring gear on the flywheel easily. It's a known issue and will be fixed under warranty.
Had a buddy lose a battery due to overcharging on his very first ride on a 22 250RR, bad voltage regulator/rectifier. Dealer replaced both the battery and regulator under warranty.
Hello there! 2018 X-trainer. Only issues in 130 hours: Factory jetting too lean on main and pilot, and float sticking due to binding pivot. Otherwise amazing bike!
Too lean, Paul? That's interesting! I remember in the early years they were too rich in warmer countries. The European settings had bikes oiling plugs here in Australia so the dealers were rejetting them prior to sale...
@@crosstrainingenduro Yes, I read about that too. One step up from stock on pilot and main got rid of that off-idle knock and much better response at speed (and I'm def a gumby).
Hey! I just brought home a 2022 beta xtrainer and I love it! It’s my first 2t and the xtrainer forum and your RUclips channel is helping me in the process of learning the bike. Would you consider doing a tutorial video on the simple maintenance aspects of the xtrainer? Thanks Barry! I’m josh by the way.
Great to hear, Josh! I've shied away from doing maintenance vids in case I get it wrong. And usually the owners manual, or a decent aftermarket one, will have all the relevant details.
No, I didn't have any issues with my new beta because I never bought one and owned a ktm since 2017. Never, ever had any issues with that bike whatsoever. Thanks for the video though. It made me feel good for some reason. 🙂
@@crosstrainingenduro that goes for most if not ALL tpi bikes would be my guess. Luckily, by bike happens to be a carburated model, the last one before the tpi came out. 🙂
Good choice! A mate of mine bought one of the last carb models in Australia and loves it. The thing goes like a rocket compared to all the TPI bikes we've ridden.
They all seem pretty similar to me, just a change of colour. The only really standout point is the TPIs don't have the same lowdown grunt of other 300 two strokes.
I'm still amazed that buyers will still put up with manufactures and dealers charging full list price for a machine and then add delivery and assembly charges and then expect you do the basic weather proofing and bolt tightening . I understand not everybody rides the same conditions but still " JUST THE BASICS".
I tend to agree, James. All the European brands can be pretty slack in certain respects. At this point though, I think Beta USA is pointing to an external cause for the main issue in this vid and I'm prepared to take that at face value for the time being. But of course it might also be shoddy assembly/design/quality of that CDI connector too... time will tell!
Was toying with getting a Xtrainer 250;but after reading some of these comments and others i'm gunna stick with my 2018 250 F.Just want to go riding,wash,repeat.But i do wish Japan made a light weight 2 stroke.That would be epic.
Great to hear, Ariel! That's certainly the case for most owners. The panic merchants always see these vids and assume that any Beta is about to fall apart or seize at any moment. The reality is 'known issues' are usually only a small percentage of any manufacturing run.
I just got an update from my dealer on the corroded plug and harness and oil injection failure. His inspection of the engine top end showed no damage, however Beta said they would replace the top end and jug anyway as well as a complete harness and ECU. At this point Beta the jury is still out on if the issue is bad ground or extended shipping or something else. My dealer said Beta Italy hasn't released anything new as a fix so no changes to harness or ECU program. I'll report back in the spring when I get my bike back on the trails. Winter here in Northern Maine -10 F 😩
Thanks for the update, Shawn. I just admit the shipping corrosion concept sounds sketchy but I'll give Beta USA the benefit of the doubt as they've been very honest and ethical in dealing with known issues in the past. But given the poor track record of Beta when it comes to electrics I wouldn't be surprised if it's poor quality parts, design or assembly that is the real cause.
My 2020 300rr ecu and wiring harness failed at 45 hours, replaced under warranty.. now at 56 hours left side bottom end bearing has failed.. my dealer is putting in good will warranty claim to Beta Australia. Hopefully the come to the party and sort it out or I’ll defiantly be getting a Sherco
Bummer. We have had reports of failures in 2020 models and even later but thankfully they are more rare now compared to previous models. Let me know if they don't honour the claim. Beta Australia is coming under a lot of criticism from their dealers and quite a few are leaving now.
I picked up a '22 250 RR a couple of weeks ago. Dielectric greased the ECU plug and any other electrical connections that I could see, they all looked good with no corrosion. Cheers for the tip on the ground connections I will check that out also. What carb float level is the go to.? I got really shit fuel economy on the first ride, but I reckon most of the juice was spilled out the overflow. I have looped the overflow hoses to help with the problem, but I think a correct float level would be the go, I just have no idea what that is. Can't wait to get back on the bike this arvo for a ride 🍻
Does looping the overflow hoses work good? I heard about it already a couple of times and was thinking about doing it on my 300 rr but I'm just not sure if it might be bad for the carburetor? 🤔
@@fh4248 it definitely helped my bike with its excessive fuel usage mate. My first ride out I was bloody near empty at 60 kilometres. 2nd ride last week in similar terrain fuel usage was similar to my KTM 350 exc. Id love to know what the goto float level was, I'd prefer to do that than loop the overflows. I have a mate with a '21 XTrainer 300 and he has looped his overflows as well. The manual says 16mm but I reckon that is to high. Rock the bike on flat ground and ya get fuel pissing out of overflow.🤷♂️
@@glennaltschwager5234 I'm pretty sure that 16mm measurement is a misprint. I've seen it referenced other places at 8mm. Mine is set at 7mm so the float is parallel to the carb body when tilted @60degrees. Do a search on keihin pwk 36 carburetors (not air striker).
Its been a month since i got my 200 RR… everything on the bike is amazing, i’ve had ktm’s and japanese bikes and i can easily tell that the beta is the best bike i have ever owned! So far it doesnt have any issue or problem except for the seat that is too hard If anyone is thinking about getting a 200cc the only thing i have to say is that you shouldn’t consider it if you weight more than 80-85 kg
@@crosstrainingenduro 😂😂 didnt know that! I switched from a ktm and the seat is really comfortable, so i found the beta really hard… anyway, i would like to thank you very much for your content, its great!
@@humbertobizzotto Seat concepts makes a super comfy seat for the Beta. They redesigned the pan to get an extra inch of foam plus the foam is better to begin with.
Hi, I'm from Argentina. Have a 2022 300.. first 2 stroke. After 4 hs since brand new it started making PIPE BANGING, QUITE LOUD. Is it the jetting? I'm running stock jetting, bought 2 suzuki needles but have no idea honestly, this is my first 2 stroke
Yep my oil injection failed on a Australian delivered bike. Oil Injection pin broken off in the ECU plug. Weird how its always that pin must be something to do with the grounding issue. Was 2 months old with 5hrs when it failed. Hopefully Beta will sort it out for me.
Let me know if Beta don't sort it out, Rob. I've already heard from a few dealers that the national distributor is saying to dealers they should have greased all the connections as part of their pre-sales delivery. 😂 I don't know if they use that excuse to NOT pay the warranty though.
Finally have my Xtrainer back after 10 weeks in the shop. All fixed at no cost new wiring harness and ECU no dielectric grease though. Will go right through the bike now check the grounding and use some dielectric grease on the connections. Love this little bike cannot wait to go out riding again.
My 21 300rr just got a new wiring harness and ecu. All under warranty Over 100 hours on the bike and this has been my only issue. I did not grease the wiring connectors when I got the bike new The new ones all greased up now
My18 rr350 racing had corrosion on a earth that put the engine light on took the shop a bit to find it and had the front forks fail at around 160hours.( the red once) other then that love the beta ! 👌🏻
Bummer, do you have any details Paul? Was it actual corrosion of all the pins? Did they fix it under warranty? I have heard of one Aussie case where it was only the pin for the oil injection, which suggested a poor earth was the cause...
@@crosstrainingenduro yes one of the pins it is getting fixed under warranty new top and bottom end also another friend snapped his rear shock on one that was fixed on warranty too
Hey guys, my 2023 300 2T has only 7 hours on it. Spark plug failed at 3.5 hours, fuel filler cap leaks which looks like a poor tank moulding, and now the starter switch is playing up. In taking off the head light shroud, the rubber bulb cover has already perished…..hoping these are teething troubles as the bike rides well.
Hey Barry, I was watching the video you made on the Kelly bumbag and the tool fenderbag. It would be nice if you could review the handlebar bag you are using and maybe a quick long term review of the other product.
It's probably too small an item to warrant a whole vid, Cedric. Their 'rag bag' is definitely just that! You wouldn't want to carry anything heavier than a rag and pair of sunglasses in there. But the proper handlebar bag is very heavy duty and a work of art.... love it!
@@crosstrainingenduro Well there's no need to go crazy, just a quick view of the configuration, the quality and your opinion about it would be fine. With the quick follow up on how the others product lasted, you could easily get a 4-5min vid. I'm pretty sure that I would not be the only one happy to see that.
@@crosstrainingenduro Yeah, after thinking about it, it's probably a full day of work after writing, filming and editing. Anyway, thanks for replying ;)
My partner has a 2022 xtrainer 300 in aus the corrosion has affected it and forced the oil pump to fail and shut the bike down at 306kms we have had it less than 6 months
Was that this post on Facebook, Rob? Any resolution? facebook.com/groups/BetaXTrainer/posts/5472098186214416/ These corroded pins were first reported in the USA, and Beta USA claimed it was due to bikes sitting in freight containers during covid-inspired delays. But it seems to be happening everywhere so I think it must be an issue from the factory. The Beta Australia distributor is very aware of the problem and apparently has at least one Beta very annoyed because he's saying the dealers should be putting grease in the electrical connection of every new bike. The dealers I spoke to think it's definitely a warranty claim as it's a factory defect.
@@crosstrainingenduro hi sorry for the delayed response Unfortunately yes that is the bike, the following week afterwards I was in contact with the dealership owner and had a discussion with him about it and he was apologetic about how everything went when it was in for repairs previously. It is still currently in getting the repairs done. They have had to order some parts in from Beta in Italy so we aren't sure how long it will be in for at this point in time, We are hoping that it won't be too long as we are keen to get out riding again
My 2021 300rr-radiator cap seeped coolent from day 1,when I wash bike left blinker dash light comes on for a couple hours(I don't have blinkers).At about 20 hours my kill switch stopped working unless I moved wires around going into housing.My friends 2020 200rr the tps went out and would dump almost a full tank of oil per tank of gas.Removed oi on that bike and just run premix.
I haven't heard anything about recent radiator cap issues, Jeff. Quite a few years ago the problem was they were too tight and built up pressure in the system and some riders had coolant leaks. Re: the oil injection, I know quite a few riders ditch it once they are out of warranty. One dealer I know recommends doing this before the bike gets too old. The oil injection is actually quite reliable but of course it can get expensive if it does fail!
@@crosstrainingenduro it was minor and dealer just handed me another rad cap.They replaced my kill switch last week under warranty even though the bike had just went out of warranty.Just minor issues compared to what I dealth with on my Africa twin.
Interesting, Jeff! What happened with the Honda? I know Honda has a great reputation for reliability but like every brand they can drop the ball occasionally.
@@crosstrainingenduro upper fork tubes were trashed at 7200 miles.I had the replacement,s hard coated.Switch gear on handlebars replaced because they quit working.
My 201 Xtrainer has been fabulous. OI works a treat and no issues. I do inspect well after every ride, treated connectors with ACF-50 and tuned up the main earth. I also added one going between battery and engine case- just to minimize resistance for starter.
@@bobbob-yu4tl Yes! It is excellent for that. I’ve been using is for a long time- often with very expensive electronics and never, ever had any sort of problem. I use it with all my electrical connections.
What do a lot of you think of the Xtrainer suspension wise? How does it handle on the more open stuff when transferring between singles? I'm looking at getting one this year and I'm wondering if its worth shelling out for the upgraded 47mm forks
I have a new 23 xt.i really love the bike however it has a terrible sound on decel and off throttle while cruising on pavement.i cant pinpoint it.its like a clutch gear mesh issue perhaps?.its like it has rocks in the motor
The issue I'm having currently with Beta is that the player keeps eating the tapes, I was told Beta was the future, today , I'm not so sure. I hit it with a 2 stroke hammer to no avail, I hit it again with 4 stroke hammer, and it stopped giving me any trouble, it doesn't work at all now, so I have no more issues to report, the Beta Max D' out.
@@crosstrainingenduro I'll keep my eyes open, meanwhile, I'm transferring all my videos, family and childhood mp4's 3's and DVD's over to Beta, I prefer the video quality, totally on par with what could be filmed with a two slice toaster.
I just installed the bigger "clear" petrol tank for the 21 X-Trainer 300, it took 10 liters and a bit. I might go over the wiring harness now i've watched this vid. thanks for the tips Barry! btw my bike has been good, no real issues only the carb float when new seemed to rev on a bit, though I tweaked the mixture a bit and it came good anyway. Still using the pre oil mix pump, has anyone eliminated the auto oil mix pump and just adds oil to the fuel before filling? keen to hear what others are doing, cheers!
My understanding is quite a few riders keep the oil injection until the warranty period ends. Others like me just keep it permanently as it is quite reliable. However a Beta dealer I know always tells his customers to consider removing it as the bike gets older for peace of mind... but he doesn't give a specific age to do it.
I have a 2018 beta stared wining and smoking !!! I got a brand new bottom end crank from beta but put the bike back together and no spark? So iv been told to buy a new ECU ?? Thanks Ed
Have you had their mechanic go over the bike with a volt meter, Ed? I'm just wondering if it might be as simple as a bad connection? An ECU failure at four years probably isn't that unusual though...
Yeah he been over the whole bike .. and it checked all the electrics and it seem ecu is best option it lucky enough I can send back to a shop beta Uk 🇬🇧 if that’s not the issue thank you for your response will let you know what happens and go from there appreciate your time 👍🏻
No electrical issues yet on my x-trainer. However I really want to get this closed to 1/4 throttle lull solved. Wondering if it needs a different slide/cutaway?
@@TheDirtyBirchTrails not stalling or related to idle. Just feels boggy at that lower range where I hoped it would really shine. I've gone up and down sizes on my pilot, adjusted the air screw, moved needle up and down and even tried a different needle. Nothing I've done seems to have any affect on that particular throttle opening. I expect the bike to have snappy response through the entire range but just doesn't seem like it wakes up until beyond 1/4 throttle. I'm hoping that, despite being an x-trainer, its not tuned to perform that way by default - e.g. pipe performance characteristics, watered-down cdi power curves. I've ridden enough bikes to know that something seems off, wish I knew what it was.
Strange. Generally the Xtrainer bottom and midrange is the same as the RR model. I'm sure your local Beta mechanic would have a long list of possible causes to work through.
@@crosstrainingenduro thanks Barry. Good to hear that both models bottom end hit feels similar in previous model years - that gives me hope in getting tuning sorted.
It can vary a bit. E.g. they really got the squish settings perfect on my first Xtrainer and it had more grunt than all the other RR300s until the higher revs. I had to dial the power valve down to stop frequent wheelspin. My second Xtrainer just feels like everyone else's Xtrainers or RR300s at low to midrange.
Almost 5 years on, my 2017 at just over 300 hours had the yellow MIL fault lamp turn on during a 56 mile outing. It was intermittent for a little while then full on. There was still smoke under acceleration, so I knew the oil injection was still functional. It turned out to be BOTH wires broke at the oil injection pump connector, right through the insulation!! In turn the ECU started pumping at max rate fir the duration of the ride. I just figured out it is a Sumitomo connector (identical to many automobile fog lamps!!) and $13.00 on eBay just bought the fix, with a pigtail lead as well. I'll be using a hot glue gun to stabilize and reinforce the wires, and some heat shrink tubing too. The Beta Italian wiring/wire harness is abysmal. Low quality wires. Or else they learned from China. It seems my only annoyances are stupid little stuff like this otherwise I love the bike and will likely ride it forever. Just did my first top end too. Old piston looked fantastic.
Overlooking the main bearing issues, the Beta two strokes have generally been great. But yes, their electrics are terrible. And quality control at the factory is often very low. Most dealers I know say they've had to carefully go over the bikes for missing parts, bolts missing, bolts only hand loose, poor rerouting of wiring etc.
Hi Barry, Have you heard of any shifting issues (i.e. intermittently unable to select above 3rd gear) on a 2022 Beta XTrainer? Mine has approx. 4hrs and I am experiencing this issue : ( It appears to happen more often during medium/hard acceleration than light acceleration shifting. Thanks, Jeff
I haven't heard of that one, Jeff. Maybe check on the Xtrainer Owners page on Facebook? Years back the Beta two stroke gearboxes had a few false neutrals but that was fixed at some point.
Great video! I just picked up my 22 xtrainer and noticed there is movement at the top shock mount, approx 2mm, which translates to approx 5mm at the wheel. Upon Inspection it looks as if the bolt diameter is too small. Anyone else have this issue?
Here is the answer: "Hello Roberto, The shock has a joint at the top mount that allows it to move a little side to side about 5-10mm or so. This is normal. Sincerely,Tim-"
Just picked up a new X Trainer yesterday and while I was in the shop revving it to heat treat it I notice the rear spring pinch adjuster was slowly backing out as I hit the throttle. Loose as hell. The bike also slowly backs up across the concrete while its idling in N and the kickstand is down.
@@ljprep6250: The Penn union stuff is non petroleum base, and won't degrade rubber over time, the superlube stuff is still an oil product, although synthetic, can still degrade rubber over time.
@@Trad-Am Great. There's a Platt about 6 miles from my house. I still have a small tube of the Echlin dielectric grease from my automotive years, which I quit in 1985.
@@crosstrainingenduro My Genade. Ons Boere is oral . Ek Boer in Arizona. Luister Mnr waar kan ek so Handlebar sakkie koop ? Ek het nou net n nuwe Beta 300 rr gekoop. Sal goed pas op my bike. Lekker Afrikaans. 🙋♂️
Lol salty air. More like substandard wiring harness design/manufacturing if they are failing that quick. Also I believe poor grounding can cause corrosion issues.
Yeah it will be interesting to see how this plays out, Mat. There are already internet discussions about whether salty air can get into containers or not over a period of months, with those for and against! How's life in Canuckistan going? Made any unachievable new year resolutions?
@@crosstrainingenduro the usual, the lunatics have us locked down again. This year is a rebuild year for me to get back into top shape. I already look terrific BTW lol.
And can any one help me beta 300rr 2017 I'm running the oil pump as normal when the bike is half empty of girl it's starts to bog when full it's fine wtf is going on I've check vent tubes all fine and no fuel filter unless it in tank any mechanics seeing this
You'll get much better advice usually from your Beta mechanic, I'd be wary of internet advice. Also quite a few Beta dealers and mechanics recommend eventually scrapping your OI system as the bike gets older, the chances of failure from multiple causes increase steadily with age.
I'm not aware of any scary stories for the four strokes at all.... any examples? As far as I'm aware all you really need to be aware of is replacing those plastic pump gears at the specified 100 hours. The only issue of note in this vid is the potential corrosion on two stroke models affected by one particular shipment - no four strokes at all.
Please only use CRC 2:26 on any electrics do not use any grease's. I suggest any new bike you purchase in the future to disconnect all electrics, pumps, fuses, solenoids, connections everything and spray CRC 2:26 into them, dust , frequent washing cannot do anything to them from that point on.
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Just buy a Yamaha, problem solved. But seriously, this is why bikes should stay simple. The more gadgets they add to them, the more problems we will get.
Well... that means buying a YZ250X which isn't really an enduro bike and can't be registered in countries that allow it. If Yamaha did make a plated model they too would probably have to add the 'gadgets' to meet pollution laws. There's an Italian mob hoping to create a 300 enduro based on the YZ250X and oil injection is being developed for the prototype.
My Yamaha YZs never had an issue (nor my Kawasakis) with connectors needing cleaning as they are sealed correctly from the factory. I even have a 2001 YZ with every electrical part original. Call it what it is- poor, ancient, backward Beta electrical engineering. My Beta 300rr oil injection finally shit the bed last month and got tossed and so premix followed. Because I knew the wiring is inferior so in keeping a close eye on the bike the engine survived when it first stopped smoking, simply by adding oil to the fuel tank. Junk electrical system is what it is all about, otherwise my Beta 300 is fine, rides nice and I like it. Interesting videos but need the hard facts painfully exposed to encourage proper manufacturing by the factory. Electrical issues have been going on far too long with these bikes. No dealer I know of pulls factory electrical plugs apart on new dirt bikes or even personal salt water watercraft for that matter. LOL.
My brother and I were talking about this last week. There are so many good things about the Betas but the electrics are inconsistent. And we were disappointed with how long it took them to acknowledge the main bearing issue, then promise to help riders outside the warranty period. If it wasn't for this we'd certainly still be riding the Italian beasts.
Do you know of cases where there's corrosion on 2022 models in Europe, Claudio? I am keen to see if Beta USA's reasoning is incorrect and it's actually a manufacturing or assembly fault.
On a more serious note, the only real issue of note is occasional gearbox issues with shifting in a small number of cases. And some claim third gear is a bit weaker than other brands but not much evidence for it.
I brought a beta 300rr road legal 4months ago ,l spray marine CRC in wiring plug, bloody horn broke they sended me a new one .I'll have to stop watching the videos I'm getting scared🤣like my wife said just ride the bloody thing
You'll be fine, JR. 😊 It's only a percentage of bikes with electrical issues, see our Beta 2022 known issues vid to see how to do the check although sounds like you know about that already. Maybe just remove the oil injection once the warranty runs out and you can't really have anything seriously go wrong then. Except maybe tow the bike out if the CDI fails (which is pretty rare).
In what way though? The current models seem to be very reliable and the main issue mentioned in this vid appears to be an external cause. The majority of Beta riders have no problems. What are you basing your opinion on?
That's not a comprehensive list. If you want the full list it's closer to 90% fixed. And you'll find all the European brands are pretty similar in this respect. I figure if owners aren't prepared for the occasional issue that pops up with any eurotrash they need to buy a Japanese bike and just accept the Japanese rarely change or update their dirt models... which means less known issues.
Over the years they have eventually worked on most issues but their electrics obviously need more work still. 🤔 All the Europeans could learn a lot from the Japanese in this regard.
Neither brand is junk though. What are you basing your judgment on? I've done known issues with all sorts of bikes and you can even make Japanese bikes sound like a pile of crap if you dig deep enough.
@@crosstrainingenduro I'll add that Beta is known for covering issues well past the initial 6 month warranty period! What other brand comes with 6 month warranty??
This does vary from country to country though depending on the national distributor. Beta USA have been consistently very good with their support. Other countries vary. I've heard the most complaints from the UK where it seems warranties were often not honoured. Beta head office in Italy has a very poor record of sending out service bulletins to national distributors/dealers or actively looking for known issues and resolving them.
2022 ELECTRICAL CORROSION ISSUES There have been quite a few cases of electrical corrosion problems on 2022 models. Occasionally it causes oil pump failure and seized engines at low hours. Beta USA is providing good support, hopefully it's good in other countries too. The Australian distributor has been blaming dealers for not doing 'correct' pre-sales preparation and putting dialectric grease in the connections! But thankfully the factory has started doing that on more recent models. Beta USA is very supportive when bikes seize. Many owners are now scrapping the oil injection immediately and using premix.
2022 ONGOING MAIN BEARING FAILURES Beta dealers are still informing us about occasional main bearing failures at low hours in the 2022 models but it appears to be at a much lower rate than back 2018 and 2019 at least.
2019-2022 ECU FAILURES Beta used to use high quality Japanese made Kokusan CDIs, but in 2019 they changed over to a nameless Chinese version. Beta dealers are replacing quite a few of these under warranty. Hopefully it will fail during the warranty period if it's going to fail.
OTHER ELECTRICAL ISSUES The speedos are still quite unreliable. One dealer says he just has a big box of these to hand out as they regularly fail during the warranty period. Overall the electrics can be problematic. Another dealer told us he's frustrated with the time spent fixing a wide variety of little electrical gremlins (e.g. engine light comes on when using high beam).
OTHER PROBLEMS
Assembly still seems to be very sloppy at the Beta factory... missing bolts, bolts too tight or too loose, terrible routing of the wiring in some cases. The good dealers know what to fix and will sort it out in pre-sales prepration. Quite a few dealers won't. Be sure to ask them!
Just happened to my My22 Here is Aus. Only 27hrs
Hey Barry thanks for getting this out to all the Beta lovers and may they check their ECU plug and ground and have a Happy New Year as well. I'l report back on this issue when my service call with Beta is resolved.
I'm sure it will be fixed properly in the end, Shawn. I've heard almost nothing but praise when it comes to Beta USA's support.
Well guys I hope beta fixes all that for the 23 models, I dropped 10600 on one and I bought the bike to ride, not work on. So far so good, but I will keep an eye on the electrical connections
@@freetaylor72 Make sure you service the ground strap at the frame contact that’s likely the issue. Simple fix.
PROBLEM IS WORSE THAN EXPECTED. Beta USA hoped the cause was salty air corroding the electrics in transit, but now the problems seem to be too widespread. Beta has never been great with electrics. Just look at how many speedos fail. And sometimes the electrical problems are just fixed with a complete replacement of the wiring loom. This has happened under warranty and also outside.
It is interesting to see that in many cases there is only corrosion on the one pin for the oil injection, which suggests salty air is not the cause. Some proposed theories are the oil pump is drawing too much current for the contact area on that connection. Or possibly a poor ground wire contact is doing the same?
Hopefully Beta USA will post any further reports, I bet Beta head office won't bother... as usual. One dealer I spoke to said Beta changed from the ultra reliable Japanese made CDIs a few years back, to some generic no-name brand probably made in China. He wonders if crap quality CDIs might be part of the problem. Who knows?
ME? I'M DITCHING BETA. In our group, Ben changed over to TM last year. My brother and I have just sold our RR300 and Xtrainer, and will move to either TM or Sherco. We've had enough of Beta head office failing to address known issues, or taking so long to fix them, and providing so little support to their distributors, dealers, or customers, unless forced to do so.
OTHER ELECTRICAL ISSUES A few Beta dealers have told me the waterproofing on 2022 electrical connections is pretty bad on both two and four stroke models, also Beta Australia is reluctant to pay for warranty claims because they reckon dealers should be putting grease in every connection (??!!). They also said Beta seem to have swapped from the ultra reliable Kokusan CDIs in 2018 to a cheaper Chinese made variant so CDIs are failing at a small but significant rate.
OTHER POSSIBLE KNOWN ISSUES? A 2022 Xtrainer found movement in the rear shock upper mount, it appears the top bolt is too small. I suspect this is a one-off, but if anyone else discovers this, let us know.
LOCATION OF THE GROUND WIRE: It's up high on the frame near the top of the rear shock mount. Remove the fuel tank for easy access. See this vid: ruclips.net/video/Bhb3K1jkmEI/видео.html
POSSIBLE POOR WIRING ROUTING NEAR RADIATOR: Signs of this include engine cutoff and not restarting, intermittent mapping switch, only cutting out when the radiator is hot, strange OBD codes, dead battery. The harness is not fastened were it crosses the radiator and can be inadvertently moved when taking the tank off and disconnecting the map switch. Beta was great at helping, they sent me a coil, ECU and ultimately replaced the wiring harness even though the bike was out of warranty.
- Captain Cornbread's Dirt, Gravel and Asphalt ruclips.net/video/5CBp6ZJWkcs/видео.html
FURTHER COMMENTS ON THE 2022 ELECTRICS One owner reports he can see Beta has revised the wiring under the fuel tank so that turning the bars is less likely to put pressure on the crimped earth wires. 👍
Just my Speedo 😂
The Beta dealers I know have a boxful of them to hand out for warranty claims. 😢
@@crosstrainingendurot Are the hours/miles stored in the ECU or do you lose them when you replace the speedo unit? Thanks for keeping on top of this. I'm waiting for delivery of my first Beta and I'm a touch nervous about these electrical gremlins as the bike is being bought for Romaniacs, so I need it to be reliable.
I don't know Arny. Dealers usually know how to reset speedos but I don't know if they can key in missing hours on a new one.
@@ArnoldJudasRimmer I wouldn’t be nervous about doing Romaniacs on it … the hours are stored on the clock not ecu…. On KTM tpi models they are also stored on ECU 🤓
I own a 17 Xt with 200 hours, greasing the connections was one of the first things i did.
A clake clutchlever and engineoverhaul at 120 hours was the only investments…bulletproof bike! 👍
Good stuff! The vast majority of owners have zero issues... and this goes for most brands and models. The panic merchants always think the worse and assume every bike will have every known issue happen lol.
Hi Barry, the new front wiring loom for Beta 2022 2-strokes looks better-designed. That’s my wiring loom spaghetti in your video. The new part shifts the big bend in the harness forward and away from the steering head to behind the headlight - lessening the stress on the cold-crimped earth wires in that section that were susceptible to snapping in the
Great to hear, Christian. Traditionally Beta head office can be very slow at times to actually do anything about known issues so it's always great news to hear of some action. 😊
Thanks for keeping us in the loop. I don't own a Beta but know a few who do. None of them are 2022's though so we'll see what the future holds. 💪
Good timing on this Barry. My buddy ordered a 2022 200RR that is due in March. I’ll let him know all the stuff he has to fix before he rides it 😝
As far as the salt air affecting the connectors, they are sealed so moisture must be getting in from someplace else. Or they just weren’t assembled correctly. I know where I work we have a manpower shortage and management is actually assembling trucks that we build. That’s always a scary proposition. Italy probably has the same problem.
...management assembling trucks lol... crazy world.
There have been some online debates about whether salty air should be getting into containers, Dave... and also getting into that connector. At this stage I'm prepared to take Beta USA's word for it but it could just be poor assembly/design/quality as Beta electrics have never been great.
Got 23 Xtrainer yesterday. 1st thing in rder - removing the OI system all together. A bit of elbow grease but now its 100% safe - Engine running = there is lubrication.
Thanks for getting the word out Barry! I really love my XTrainer but certainly was not expecting to have to deal with these issues on a brand new bike. So far our dealer has taken good care of us (we are in the US). We are replacing the wiring harness and ECU, fine tuning the frame ground, putting dielectric grease in allll the connectors and giving it another go. If the same thing happens we will bypass the OI and premix.
Has anyone here had the service done already and gotten some more time on their bikes? How are you making out? Looking for some hope here!
Fingers crossed! My Beta mechanic is starting to recommend bypassing the OI once you are out of warranty nowadays. He used to say leave it in for a few years but I think the recent electrical issues have swayed his opinion on recent models.
my xtrainer died at 3 hours. zero help from selling dealer, 3 hours away. beta usa sent me copies of the electrical bulletins, none of which had been done by selling dealer brewer cycles. did the grease in all connectors, modified ground, no help. 3 seas recreation (jared) got me test info, turned out to be the ignition case was full of oil. jared overnighted seal, crank sensor and flywheel tools. 20 hours now and no more issues. my take, do not assume the guy who put your bike together did any more than just that. if you want a warranty on your dirt bike, i would not recommend a beta unless you know the dealer and they are close. otherwise, i love the bike, just bought a fatty pipe from jared and it is even more awesome
Bought a new 2021 Beta 300 rr. 4 months ago and I must say everything is perfect on the bike . No problems whatsoever.
Great to hear. A small percentage just had electrical issues of various types. Keep an ear out for starter motor noises too, a few 2021 models stripped the ring gear on the flywheel easily. It's a known issue and will be fixed under warranty.
Had a buddy lose a battery due to overcharging on his very first ride on a 22 250RR, bad voltage regulator/rectifier. Dealer replaced both the battery and regulator under warranty.
Hello there! 2018 X-trainer. Only issues in 130 hours: Factory jetting too lean on main and pilot, and float sticking due to binding pivot. Otherwise amazing bike!
Too lean, Paul? That's interesting! I remember in the early years they were too rich in warmer countries. The European settings had bikes oiling plugs here in Australia so the dealers were rejetting them prior to sale...
@@crosstrainingenduro Yes, I read about that too. One step up from stock on pilot and main got rid of that off-idle knock and much better response at speed (and I'm def a gumby).
Hey! I just brought home a 2022 beta xtrainer and I love it! It’s my first 2t and the xtrainer forum and your RUclips channel is helping me in the process of learning the bike. Would you consider doing a tutorial video on the simple maintenance aspects of the xtrainer? Thanks Barry! I’m josh by the way.
Great to hear, Josh! I've shied away from doing maintenance vids in case I get it wrong. And usually the owners manual, or a decent aftermarket one, will have all the relevant details.
@@crosstrainingenduro understood! Well, look forward to watching more of your content regardless! Thank.
Josh
No, I didn't have any issues with my new beta because I never bought one and owned a ktm since 2017. Never, ever had any issues with that bike whatsoever. Thanks for the video though. It made me feel good for some reason. 🙂
My pleasure! Oddly enough, a lot of Beta owners say they feel good after watching the vid about KTM TPI problems. 😊
@@crosstrainingenduro that goes for most if not ALL tpi bikes would be my guess. Luckily, by bike happens to be a carburated model, the last one before the tpi came out. 🙂
Good choice! A mate of mine bought one of the last carb models in Australia and loves it. The thing goes like a rocket compared to all the TPI bikes we've ridden.
@@crosstrainingenduro thanks! Did you ever ride ktm or a sherco, 300 models? What do you think?
They all seem pretty similar to me, just a change of colour. The only really standout point is the TPIs don't have the same lowdown grunt of other 300 two strokes.
I'm still amazed that buyers will still put up with manufactures and dealers charging full list price for a machine and then add delivery and assembly charges and then expect you do the basic weather proofing and bolt tightening . I understand not everybody rides the same conditions but still " JUST THE BASICS".
I tend to agree, James. All the European brands can be pretty slack in certain respects. At this point though, I think Beta USA is pointing to an external cause for the main issue in this vid and I'm prepared to take that at face value for the time being. But of course it might also be shoddy assembly/design/quality of that CDI connector too... time will tell!
Was toying with getting a Xtrainer 250;but after reading some of these comments and others i'm gunna stick with my 2018 250 F.Just want to go riding,wash,repeat.But i do wish Japan made a light weight 2 stroke.That would be epic.
We would all love to see a Japanese two stroke, Mick!
Barry, thank you for the video, I greatly appreciate the information. I have put a little over 90 hours on my 2021 Beta 250rr - zero issues so far.
Great to hear, Ariel! That's certainly the case for most owners. The panic merchants always see these vids and assume that any Beta is about to fall apart or seize at any moment. The reality is 'known issues' are usually only a small percentage of any manufacturing run.
I just got an update from my dealer on the corroded plug and harness and oil injection failure. His inspection of the engine top end showed no damage, however Beta said they would replace the top end and jug anyway as well as a complete harness and ECU. At this point Beta the jury is still out on if the issue is bad ground or extended shipping or something else. My dealer said Beta Italy hasn't released anything new as a fix so no changes to harness or ECU program. I'll report back in the spring when I get my bike back on the trails. Winter here in Northern Maine -10 F 😩
Thanks for the update, Shawn. I just admit the shipping corrosion concept sounds sketchy but I'll give Beta USA the benefit of the doubt as they've been very honest and ethical in dealing with known issues in the past. But given the poor track record of Beta when it comes to electrics I wouldn't be surprised if it's poor quality parts, design or assembly that is the real cause.
@@crosstrainingenduro I’ll keep you posted here of anything I hear and also What happens when I get my bike back.
Thanks!
@@crosstrainingenduro They are now being shipped into a port in Virginia instead of California so there won't be any unnecessary delays at sea.
My 2020 300rr ecu and wiring harness failed at 45 hours, replaced under warranty.. now at 56 hours left side bottom end bearing has failed.. my dealer is putting in good will warranty claim to Beta Australia. Hopefully the come to the party and sort it out or I’ll defiantly be getting a Sherco
Bummer. We have had reports of failures in 2020 models and even later but thankfully they are more rare now compared to previous models. Let me know if they don't honour the claim. Beta Australia is coming under a lot of criticism from their dealers and quite a few are leaving now.
I picked up a '22 250 RR a couple of weeks ago.
Dielectric greased the ECU plug and any other electrical connections that I could see, they all looked good with no corrosion.
Cheers for the tip on the ground connections I will check that out also.
What carb float level is the go to.?
I got really shit fuel economy on the first ride, but I reckon most of the juice was spilled out the overflow.
I have looped the overflow hoses to help with the problem, but I think a correct float level would be the go, I just have no idea what that is.
Can't wait to get back on the bike this arvo for a ride 🍻
I don't know about the correct carb float levels, Glenn. Plenty of internet discussions and advice around though!
Does looping the overflow hoses work good? I heard about it already a couple of times and was thinking about doing it on my 300 rr but I'm just not sure if it might be bad for the carburetor? 🤔
@@fh4248 it definitely helped my bike with its excessive fuel usage mate. My first ride out I was bloody near empty at 60 kilometres.
2nd ride last week in similar terrain fuel usage was similar to my KTM 350 exc.
Id love to know what the goto float level was, I'd prefer to do that than loop the overflows.
I have a mate with a '21 XTrainer 300 and he has looped his overflows as well.
The manual says 16mm but I reckon that is to high.
Rock the bike on flat ground and ya get fuel pissing out of overflow.🤷♂️
No idea. I've heard about it but my mechanical knowledge is next to zero.
@@glennaltschwager5234 I'm pretty sure that 16mm measurement is a misprint. I've seen it referenced other places at 8mm. Mine is set at 7mm so the float is parallel to the carb body when tilted @60degrees. Do a search on keihin pwk 36 carburetors (not air striker).
2021 beta 500. Still rock solid.
Its been a month since i got my 200 RR… everything on the bike is amazing, i’ve had ktm’s and japanese bikes and i can easily tell that the beta is the best bike i have ever owned! So far it doesnt have any issue or problem except for the seat that is too hard
If anyone is thinking about getting a 200cc the only thing i have to say is that you shouldn’t consider it if you weight more than 80-85 kg
They softened the seat around 2018 so imagine the cement they used to put in there, Humberto. 🤔 Great bike otherwise!
@@crosstrainingenduro 😂😂 didnt know that! I switched from a ktm and the seat is really comfortable, so i found the beta really hard… anyway, i would like to thank you very much for your content, its great!
@@humbertobizzotto Seat concepts makes a super comfy seat for the Beta. They redesigned the pan to get an extra inch of foam plus the foam is better to begin with.
Hi, I'm from Argentina. Have a 2022 300.. first 2 stroke. After 4 hs since brand new it started making PIPE BANGING, QUITE LOUD. Is it the jetting? I'm running stock jetting, bought 2 suzuki needles but have no idea honestly, this is my first 2 stroke
Yep my oil injection failed on a Australian delivered bike. Oil Injection pin broken off in the ECU plug. Weird how its always that pin must be something to do with the grounding issue. Was 2 months old with 5hrs when it failed. Hopefully Beta will sort it out for me.
Let me know if Beta don't sort it out, Rob. I've already heard from a few dealers that the national distributor is saying to dealers they should have greased all the connections as part of their pre-sales delivery. 😂 I don't know if they use that excuse to NOT pay the warranty though.
Finally have my Xtrainer back after 10 weeks in the shop. All fixed at no cost new wiring harness and ECU no dielectric grease though. Will go right through the bike now check the grounding and use some dielectric grease on the connections. Love this little bike cannot wait to go out riding again.
My 21 300rr just got a new wiring harness and ecu. All under warranty Over 100 hours on the bike and this has been my only issue. I did not grease the wiring connectors when I got the bike new The new ones all greased up now
Glad they fixed it!
My18 rr350 racing had corrosion on a earth that put the engine light on took the shop a bit to find it and had the front forks fail at around 160hours.( the red once) other then that love the beta ! 👌🏻
Had my water pump shaft and seal let go at about 200hours as well . ( puts coolent in gearbox)
I’ve had this with a 2021 model causing pump failure and resulting in engine damage here in the UK.
Bummer. Fixed under warranty? Going by reports we've had, it seems the UK distributor is not as supportive as the USA guys. 🤔
Mate of mine in Australia 2022 xtrainer 300 low hours engine seized due to the issue you talk about in this video
Bummer, do you have any details Paul? Was it actual corrosion of all the pins? Did they fix it under warranty? I have heard of one Aussie case where it was only the pin for the oil injection, which suggested a poor earth was the cause...
@@crosstrainingenduro yes one of the pins it is getting fixed under warranty new top and bottom end also another friend snapped his rear shock on one that was fixed on warranty too
Hey guys, my 2023 300 2T has only 7 hours on it. Spark plug failed at 3.5 hours, fuel filler cap leaks which looks like a poor tank moulding, and now the starter switch is playing up. In taking off the head light shroud, the rubber bulb cover has already perished…..hoping these are teething troubles as the bike rides well.
Damn. Hopefully all fixed under warranty? It would be interesting to hear if other owners have these issues too.
Hey Barry, I was watching the video you made on the Kelly bumbag and the tool fenderbag. It would be nice if you could review the handlebar bag you are using and maybe a quick long term review of the other product.
It's probably too small an item to warrant a whole vid, Cedric. Their 'rag bag' is definitely just that! You wouldn't want to carry anything heavier than a rag and pair of sunglasses in there. But the proper handlebar bag is very heavy duty and a work of art.... love it!
@@crosstrainingenduro Well there's no need to go crazy, just a quick view of the configuration, the quality and your opinion about it would be fine. With the quick follow up on how the others product lasted, you could easily get a 4-5min vid. I'm pretty sure that I would not be the only one happy to see that.
You would be surprised at the huge amount of work that goes into a four minute vid, Cedric. So I pick and choose the topics I think are worthwhile.
@@crosstrainingenduro Yeah, after thinking about it, it's probably a full day of work after writing, filming and editing. Anyway, thanks for replying ;)
My partner has a 2022 xtrainer 300 in aus the corrosion has affected it and forced the oil pump to fail and shut the bike down at 306kms we have had it less than 6 months
Was that this post on Facebook, Rob? Any resolution? facebook.com/groups/BetaXTrainer/posts/5472098186214416/
These corroded pins were first reported in the USA, and Beta USA claimed it was due to bikes sitting in freight containers during covid-inspired delays. But it seems to be happening everywhere so I think it must be an issue from the factory. The Beta Australia distributor is very aware of the problem and apparently has at least one Beta very annoyed because he's saying the dealers should be putting grease in the electrical connection of every new bike. The dealers I spoke to think it's definitely a warranty claim as it's a factory defect.
@@crosstrainingenduro hi sorry for the delayed response
Unfortunately yes that is the bike, the following week afterwards I was in contact with the dealership owner and had a discussion with him about it and he was apologetic about how everything went when it was in for repairs previously.
It is still currently in getting the repairs done. They have had to order some parts in from Beta in Italy so we aren't sure how long it will be in for at this point in time,
We are hoping that it won't be too long as we are keen to get out riding again
My 2021 300rr-radiator cap seeped coolent from day 1,when I wash bike left blinker dash light comes on for a couple hours(I don't have blinkers).At about 20 hours my kill switch stopped working unless I moved wires around going into housing.My friends 2020 200rr the tps went out and would dump almost a full tank of oil per tank of gas.Removed oi on that bike and just run premix.
I haven't heard anything about recent radiator cap issues, Jeff. Quite a few years ago the problem was they were too tight and built up pressure in the system and some riders had coolant leaks. Re: the oil injection, I know quite a few riders ditch it once they are out of warranty. One dealer I know recommends doing this before the bike gets too old. The oil injection is actually quite reliable but of course it can get expensive if it does fail!
@@crosstrainingenduro it was minor and dealer just handed me another rad cap.They replaced my kill switch last week under warranty even though the bike had just went out of warranty.Just minor issues compared to what I dealth with on my Africa twin.
Interesting, Jeff! What happened with the Honda? I know Honda has a great reputation for reliability but like every brand they can drop the ball occasionally.
@@crosstrainingenduro upper fork tubes were trashed at 7200 miles.I had the replacement,s hard coated.Switch gear on handlebars replaced because they quit working.
My 201 Xtrainer has been fabulous. OI works a treat and no issues. I do inspect well after every ride, treated connectors with ACF-50 and tuned up the main earth. I also added one going between battery and engine case- just to minimize resistance for starter.
Good to hear, Mark! Like most 'known issues' with any bike, usually the majority of riders won't actually come across the problem.
Mark hollingsworth, is acf 50 ok for electrical connections? Saves me buying dielectric grease!
I have a can of acf already
@@bobbob-yu4tl Yes! It is excellent for that. I’ve been using is for a long time- often with very expensive electronics and never, ever had any sort of problem. I use it with all my electrical connections.
What do a lot of you think of the Xtrainer suspension wise? How does it handle on the more open stuff when transferring between singles? I'm looking at getting one this year and I'm wondering if its worth shelling out for the upgraded 47mm forks
Detailed this in a specific vid a while back.
I have a new 23 xt.i really love the bike however it has a terrible sound on decel and off throttle while cruising on pavement.i cant pinpoint it.its like a clutch gear mesh issue perhaps?.its like it has rocks in the motor
Thanks Baz!
22 xtrainer.
Hopefully all the Aussie models will be okay, Jim. Only heard of one case and it was only the pin for the oil injection, suggesting his earth was bad.
The issue I'm having currently with Beta is
that the player keeps eating the tapes, I was
told Beta was the future, today , I'm not so sure.
I hit it with a 2 stroke hammer to no avail, I
hit it again with 4 stroke hammer, and it stopped
giving me any trouble, it doesn't work at all now,
so I have no more issues to report, the Beta Max
D' out.
It will cost a lot but I'd highly recommend a VHS. This can cost up to $5 at a garage sale for one in good condition...
@@crosstrainingenduro I'll keep my eyes
open, meanwhile, I'm transferring all my
videos, family and childhood mp4's 3's
and DVD's over to Beta, I prefer the
video quality, totally on par with what could
be filmed with a two slice toaster.
I just installed the bigger "clear" petrol tank for the 21 X-Trainer 300, it took 10 liters and a bit. I might go over the wiring harness now i've watched this vid. thanks for the tips Barry! btw my bike has been good, no real issues only the carb float when new seemed to rev on a bit, though I tweaked the mixture a bit and it came good anyway. Still using the pre oil mix pump, has anyone eliminated the auto oil mix pump and just adds oil to the fuel before filling? keen to hear what others are doing, cheers!
My understanding is quite a few riders keep the oil injection until the warranty period ends. Others like me just keep it permanently as it is quite reliable. However a Beta dealer I know always tells his customers to consider removing it as the bike gets older for peace of mind... but he doesn't give a specific age to do it.
I'm very disturbed by your seat....LOL
So I have to actually maintain my bike?
And that's the good side of the bike 😂
2019 XTrainer. Zero problems other than a busted clutch cover from a crash.
Excellent information! Thanks gents!
Our pleasure, Josh!
I have a 2018 beta stared wining and smoking !!! I got a brand new bottom end crank from beta but put the bike back together and no spark? So iv been told to buy a new ECU ?? Thanks Ed
Have you had their mechanic go over the bike with a volt meter, Ed? I'm just wondering if it might be as simple as a bad connection? An ECU failure at four years probably isn't that unusual though...
Yeah he been over the whole bike .. and it checked all the electrics and it seem ecu is best option it lucky enough I can send back to a shop beta Uk 🇬🇧 if that’s not the issue thank you for your response will let you know what happens and go from there appreciate your time 👍🏻
Seeing this reninds me that i got to take my oil pump off and blank it its allways in my head when i ride 2017 300 rr
Probably not a bad idea. Although the system has been pretty reliable the dealers I know suggest scrapping it as the bike gets older... just in case.
Good to know! Thanks for the video
Cheers Rick!
@@crosstrainingenduro just purchased 2017 beta xtrainer and check the ecu right away!
No electrical issues yet on my x-trainer. However I really want to get this closed to 1/4 throttle lull solved. Wondering if it needs a different slide/cutaway?
What is a lull? Bike wants to stall? Bring up the idle ? If you have to bring up the idle, you may have to play with the air screw.
@@TheDirtyBirchTrails not stalling or related to idle. Just feels boggy at that lower range where I hoped it would really shine. I've gone up and down sizes on my pilot, adjusted the air screw, moved needle up and down and even tried a different needle. Nothing I've done seems to have any affect on that particular throttle opening. I expect the bike to have snappy response through the entire range but just doesn't seem like it wakes up until beyond 1/4 throttle. I'm hoping that, despite being an x-trainer, its not tuned to perform that way by default - e.g. pipe performance characteristics, watered-down cdi power curves. I've ridden enough bikes to know that something seems off, wish I knew what it was.
Strange. Generally the Xtrainer bottom and midrange is the same as the RR model. I'm sure your local Beta mechanic would have a long list of possible causes to work through.
@@crosstrainingenduro thanks Barry. Good to hear that both models bottom end hit feels similar in previous model years - that gives me hope in getting tuning sorted.
It can vary a bit. E.g. they really got the squish settings perfect on my first Xtrainer and it had more grunt than all the other RR300s until the higher revs. I had to dial the power valve down to stop frequent wheelspin. My second Xtrainer just feels like everyone else's Xtrainers or RR300s at low to midrange.
Almost 5 years on, my 2017 at just over 300 hours had the yellow MIL fault lamp turn on during a 56 mile outing. It was intermittent for a little while then full on. There was still smoke under acceleration, so I knew the oil injection was still functional.
It turned out to be BOTH wires broke at the oil injection pump connector, right through the insulation!! In turn the ECU started pumping at max rate fir the duration of the ride. I just figured out it is a Sumitomo connector (identical to many automobile fog lamps!!) and $13.00 on eBay just bought the fix, with a pigtail lead as well. I'll be using a hot glue gun to stabilize and reinforce the wires, and some heat shrink tubing too.
The Beta Italian wiring/wire harness is abysmal. Low quality wires. Or else they learned from China. It seems my only annoyances are stupid little stuff like this otherwise I love the bike and will likely ride it forever. Just did my first top end too. Old piston looked fantastic.
Overlooking the main bearing issues, the Beta two strokes have generally been great. But yes, their electrics are terrible. And quality control at the factory is often very low. Most dealers I know say they've had to carefully go over the bikes for missing parts, bolts missing, bolts only hand loose, poor rerouting of wiring etc.
Hi Barry,
Have you heard of any shifting issues (i.e. intermittently unable to select above 3rd gear) on a 2022 Beta XTrainer?
Mine has approx. 4hrs and I am experiencing this issue : (
It appears to happen more often during medium/hard acceleration than light acceleration shifting.
Thanks,
Jeff
I haven't heard of that one, Jeff. Maybe check on the Xtrainer Owners page on Facebook? Years back the Beta two stroke gearboxes had a few false neutrals but that was fixed at some point.
@@crosstrainingenduro Will do. Thanks Barry.
Great video!
I just picked up my 22 xtrainer and noticed there is movement at the top shock mount, approx 2mm, which translates to approx 5mm at the wheel. Upon Inspection it looks as if the bolt diameter is too small.
Anyone else have this issue?
I saw you post about that on Facebook, Brenn. I haven't heard of another case so it sounds like a one-off. I hope it's fixed under warranty.
@@crosstrainingenduro I have a 2021 XT and the rear shock moves a little bit. I contacted Beta USA and they said its normal. Its meant to be that way.
Here is the answer: "Hello Roberto, The shock has a joint at the top mount that allows it to move a little side to side about 5-10mm or so. This is normal.
Sincerely,Tim-"
Just picked up a new X Trainer yesterday and while I was in the shop revving it to heat treat it I notice the rear spring pinch adjuster was slowly backing out as I hit the throttle. Loose as hell. The bike also slowly backs up across the concrete while its idling in N and the kickstand is down.
@@crosstrainingenduro why do I always read your replies in your accent? I’m a North American looking to bwia a beta rayce modal
Do you run the oil injection on your Xtrainer, or premix?
Oil injection on both, no probs so far
It's a good idea, to put Penn Union cual gel, on all electrical connections. I do it on my Sleds And dirtbikes.
SuperLube 82003 Anti-corrosion in the States, $7.72 for 3 oz at Amazon.
@@ljprep6250: The Penn union stuff is non petroleum base, and won't degrade rubber over time, the superlube stuff is still an oil product, although synthetic, can still degrade rubber over time.
@@Trad-Am Thanks for the info. Do you have cites on that, by any chance?
@@ljprep6250: You can pick it up at PLATT electrical, or most other electrical supply shops, for about $8-$12.
@@Trad-Am Great. There's a Platt about 6 miles from my house. I still have a small tube of the Echlin dielectric grease from my automotive years, which I quit in 1985.
What is that red thing on the handlebar??? It says something enduro???
Dit is n Kelly Enduro handlebar bag, meneer!
@@crosstrainingenduro My Genade. Ons Boere is oral . Ek Boer in Arizona. Luister Mnr waar kan ek so Handlebar sakkie koop ? Ek het nou net n nuwe Beta 300 rr gekoop. Sal goed pas op my bike. Lekker Afrikaans. 🙋♂️
Lol salty air. More like substandard wiring harness design/manufacturing if they are failing that quick. Also I believe poor grounding can cause corrosion issues.
Yeah it will be interesting to see how this plays out, Mat. There are already internet discussions about whether salty air can get into containers or not over a period of months, with those for and against! How's life in Canuckistan going? Made any unachievable new year resolutions?
@@crosstrainingenduro the usual, the lunatics have us locked down again. This year is a rebuild year for me to get back into top shape. I already look terrific BTW lol.
If you've got it, flaunt it. As you well know I have video evidence of your superb physique and stylish riding gear... Dallas less so. 😂
And can any one help me beta 300rr 2017 I'm running the oil pump as normal when the bike is half empty of girl it's starts to bog when full it's fine wtf is going on I've check vent tubes all fine and no fuel filter unless it in tank any mechanics seeing this
You'll get much better advice usually from your Beta mechanic, I'd be wary of internet advice. Also quite a few Beta dealers and mechanics recommend eventually scrapping your OI system as the bike gets older, the chances of failure from multiple causes increase steadily with age.
Wanted a new 350-390 Beta, but to many scary stories, factual or not.. Now waiting till mid year
I'm not aware of any scary stories for the four strokes at all.... any examples? As far as I'm aware all you really need to be aware of is replacing those plastic pump gears at the specified 100 hours. The only issue of note in this vid is the potential corrosion on two stroke models affected by one particular shipment - no four strokes at all.
I had a 16 Cross trainer and I could tell you one thing the Italians do a hell of a lot better job winding their spaghetti then they do their wiring
😂
Please only use CRC 2:26 on any electrics do not use any grease's.
I suggest any new bike you purchase in the future to disconnect all electrics, pumps, fuses, solenoids, connections everything and spray CRC 2:26 into them, dust , frequent washing cannot do anything to them from that point on.
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My dashboard stopped today 2021 20hours .new Zealand new the whole dashboard nothing comes up no lights nothing completely dead don't happy
Pretty standard unfortunately. Some dealers have a boxful to hand out. Get a new one and see how long the next one lasts...
@@crosstrainingenduro just went out to the garage took the dashboard off paid around with it now it's going perfect 😬 bloody bikes drive me insane😅
I recommend not pushing any buttons or anything on those dashboards more sensitive then the misses
Just buy a Yamaha, problem solved. But seriously, this is why bikes should stay simple. The more gadgets they add to them, the more problems we will get.
Well... that means buying a YZ250X which isn't really an enduro bike and can't be registered in countries that allow it. If Yamaha did make a plated model they too would probably have to add the 'gadgets' to meet pollution laws. There's an Italian mob hoping to create a 300 enduro based on the YZ250X and oil injection is being developed for the prototype.
I wish honda or another Japanese brand would build a 2 stroke 300 enduro bike.
Yamaha came closest with that YZ250X but it's only half done. 😢
My Yamaha YZs never had an issue (nor my Kawasakis) with connectors needing cleaning as they are sealed correctly from the factory. I even have a 2001 YZ with every electrical part original. Call it what it is- poor, ancient, backward Beta electrical engineering. My Beta 300rr oil injection finally shit the bed last month and got tossed and so premix followed. Because I knew the wiring is inferior so in keeping a close eye on the bike the engine survived when it first stopped smoking, simply by adding oil to the fuel tank. Junk electrical system is what it is all about, otherwise my Beta 300 is fine, rides nice and I like it. Interesting videos but need the hard facts painfully exposed to encourage proper manufacturing by the factory. Electrical issues have been going on far too long with these bikes. No dealer I know of pulls factory electrical plugs apart on new dirt bikes or even personal salt water watercraft for that matter. LOL.
My brother and I were talking about this last week. There are so many good things about the Betas but the electrics are inconsistent. And we were disappointed with how long it took them to acknowledge the main bearing issue, then promise to help riders outside the warranty period. If it wasn't for this we'd certainly still be riding the Italian beasts.
Hard seat is back for 2023
Salty water 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 in Europe same problem no boat 🛶 journeys!🧐
Do you know of cases where there's corrosion on 2022 models in Europe, Claudio? I am keen to see if Beta USA's reasoning is incorrect and it's actually a manufacturing or assembly fault.
Is anyone familiar with the term Beta testers?
No but I've heard the expression 'master Beta'
“Like all brands thst have their problems”
Haha name some known problems with the yz250x. 300hrs. Can’t think of one.
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@@crosstrainingenduro you coming in swinging! 👍
On a more serious note, the only real issue of note is occasional gearbox issues with shifting in a small number of cases. And some claim third gear is a bit weaker than other brands but not much evidence for it.
I brought a beta 300rr road legal 4months ago ,l spray marine CRC in wiring plug, bloody horn broke they sended me a new one .I'll have to stop watching the videos I'm getting scared🤣like my wife said just ride the bloody thing
You'll be fine, JR. 😊 It's only a percentage of bikes with electrical issues, see our Beta 2022 known issues vid to see how to do the check although sounds like you know about that already. Maybe just remove the oil injection once the warranty runs out and you can't really have anything seriously go wrong then. Except maybe tow the bike out if the CDI fails (which is pretty rare).
It is Italian.....
Look at it it fails, that's why they make such beautiful things with low miles
In what way though? The current models seem to be very reliable and the main issue mentioned in this vid appears to be an external cause. The majority of Beta riders have no problems. What are you basing your opinion on?
That's a pretty big list, and only 2/3 fixed? Bah, humbug. Shame, shame, Beater.
That's not a comprehensive list. If you want the full list it's closer to 90% fixed. And you'll find all the European brands are pretty similar in this respect. I figure if owners aren't prepared for the occasional issue that pops up with any eurotrash they need to buy a Japanese bike and just accept the Japanese rarely change or update their dirt models... which means less known issues.
@@crosstrainingenduro So eurotrash is just expensive Chiwanese stuff? Got it. ;)
There is no excuse for poor wiring on anything modern other than being cheap and lazy.
Over the years they have eventually worked on most issues but their electrics obviously need more work still. 🤔 All the Europeans could learn a lot from the Japanese in this regard.
Same a junk ktm. never want to stand behind it.
Neither brand is junk though. What are you basing your judgment on? I've done known issues with all sorts of bikes and you can even make Japanese bikes sound like a pile of crap if you dig deep enough.
@@crosstrainingenduro I'll add that Beta is known for covering issues well past the initial 6 month warranty period! What other brand comes with 6 month warranty??
This does vary from country to country though depending on the national distributor. Beta USA have been consistently very good with their support. Other countries vary. I've heard the most complaints from the UK where it seems warranties were often not honoured. Beta head office in Italy has a very poor record of sending out service bulletins to national distributors/dealers or actively looking for known issues and resolving them.
Anyone unlucky enough to have owned an Alfa or Lancia in the 70s and 80s knows all about dockside induced corrosion 😤