Generator Not Making Power - Testing and Repair
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Picked up this Briggs and Stratton 10HP Storm Responder Generator for $150. There is no power output from the generator head. Will troubleshoot the issue and fix or replace the powerhead.
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Wow, thanks so much, James! You made my day by pointing out that trick of applying 12 volts to the brush assembly to restore the magnetism! I had a brain freeze when grid power was restored to my house and I failed to disconnect the generator, so power backfed into the generator and obviously demagnetized it so there was no output. I wish I had found your video before I completely disassembled the generator for no reason. Now it's working like a charm. You da' man!
It's 6:00 a.m. and kicked back in my chair with coffee and watching another head-scratching generator video by James. Ahhhh, retirement is good. Thanks James
Ok this is weird, I looked at the clock at its 6a.m exactly,
But Ive got a bong, cigarette and an RC Cola, I'm trying to buck the odds.
You sir are one of the best repair RUclipsrs in all of RUclips universe! Your calm demeanor, the way you articulate your knowledge and explain things is just the best. Thank you for all your videos and the work you do.
Thanks 👍
Nothing beats a honest self-questioning approach! You win! Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge with us!
Wow James ,that is a lot of work ! When I went to Electrical school a long time ago we studied motors, AC and DC . We learned how generators work. WE also had a project to rewind a motor . After 40 some odd years ,I still have that motor. One thing we did after we finished winding the stater and soldering the poles together and checking for proper polarity was spray the stater winding was we called Red Dog .It was an insulating spray to help ensure even the windings were laminated, this was a little insurance. I realize that when you are manufacturing thousands of these rigs a month , you can stop and spray insulating spray on the windings.
Love the workshop at home and nice neighborhood. Have seen shots in fall and winter. Nice family, too. Videos made in heaven.
What I like about your videos is, you never give up... Patience is a virtue...
Making mistakes we all learn , owning up is professional. Will enjoy your next video on the stator fault and your findings. Thank you, Greeting from Dublin Ireland
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I am not mechanically inclined when it comes to generators so I really enjoy your videos.
Well Doc, we all learned something new today. All that appears ok is not and some that is not ok is ok.
Hey James I’d love to see you do a series of videos teaching us how the generator works and how to troubleshoot when it doesn’t work. I think it would do great for you maybe even go viral. It seems nobody really understands exactly how they work and how to troubleshoot and fix Just a thought and idea!!!!Thanks
Great idea, with an explanation of DPE windings and what they do, because I googled it and I'm still lost. Lol
@@Mike-ig2zq me too. I’d love to see James do a series on that. I think he would get an overwhelming response. What do you think??? What would you like to see??
Me too James that would be informative !!!
Thanks 🙏
@@Lovinflyindrones2022 A to Z. Step by step, theory combined with practical applications and testing.
I kinda made that video two years ago. Been sitting in my queue for release and it has not been released yet... been saving it for a rainy day, but I think it has been long enough.
To save a little time when adjusting an AVR, you can flip it over and use a single bolt on one side to secure it to one of the end cover mounting holes. That holds it steady enough to get a screwdriver on the potentiometer while the generator is running.
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Once again mr generator is the man to get the generator back up and running
52 seconds in and whaaaaat!? Two camera filming now?? Love it for the close-up of the multimeter! 👍👍
I got an old 80's tecumseh craftsman genny 5000 watts. Rebuilt the carb and got it running great but it pukes its oil out the breather tube. And a light didn't work when I plugged it in. Thanks to James videos I hope to get it all the way operational. 10hp tecumseh sounds so cool
When you removed the brushes my first thought was: while you are in there test the diodes, it's so easy.
to those that dislike these videos, if you don’t understand the con tent don’t give the video a dislike, just realize it is more advanced than you are capable of comprehending and move on. No need to try to hurt James by giving a video a dislike. He does a wonderful job of producing his content.
Technical excellence and humility - respect!
Great job you sure know your generators. Nice to have the spare parts on hand.
Thank you sir, and as a 2 years student in mechanics...your videos are quite helpful to me✔️
I don't know if you ever tested the diodes on the bridge rectifier with an ohmeter on diode test they read low ohm's in one direction and high ohms or open circuit the opposite way, I was a generator mechanic in the US Army and fixed Generators in Vietnam in the field Diodes and dirty carburetors were my biggest problems, you are a great mechanic and I am learning from your channel, every thing is different from what I worked on, I have a small Honda 2000i inverter Gen for my house in emergency's love it can hardly hear it!I fixed TV's for a living for my whole career till I retired 2013 living the good life now!Electronics can be challeging as you surly know!
Thanks. Did a video recently on an EU2000i. It is a great generator, but a lot of work to repair when if goes bad. This one had a bad diode. Ended up fixing it in an unpublished video. You can watch is here ruclips.net/video/A8clwD8BODE/видео.html
Stupid darn distraction fault - they’ve certainly caught me out before and I’m sure will again. Thanks for another great video James.
If I had the money I would totally get you Musite1's hydraulic lift table he use's at his home shop. Watching you work on these on the ground hurts my back....Absolutely love the explanation on every video, these would be perfect to teach anyone how to fix a generator., possible a college course in small engine repair.
Jim, just an update. I'm now recovering from knee replacement surgery, so as I get limbered up and more flexible, I'll be able to get your plastics to list so you can give me an idea whet dimensions are best for you. I'm also hoping to pick us some other pieces to add to what I now have.
Have you tried getting any generators from your local scrap yards? I have a buddy that does this when work slows down. He used to get nice looking riding mowers, but found that he quickly ran out of space doing this.
I failed to mention that my buddy has a good relationship with the scrap yard, so they work with him.
For 45 min of my time I LEARNED A LOT!!! Thanks James for sharing your expertise. You the Man..
Cliff hanger huh? Stay tuned, same channel same time. Good job! Can't wait to find out. 👍👍👍
Hi , I applaud your work well done on these generators. I will also say this , there are shops that repair stators and rotors. If you can find the broken wire(s) yourself you can fix them too (windings). All copper wires can be cleaned and soldered together again. Great Videos
Very very interesting at the end there. I may be looking at the same issue with one of my 18kw generators on the remote board. I'm not getting 12v nor power so I'll be testing further sense temp outside is coming up
Awesome videos, but I have an Onan 6500. Thanks you for showing more than Breaker Reset as most of the RUclips Videos do.
Used to repair lots of generators, Flash testing the stator was my first choice. Great videos 👍
Thanks. Usually flashing would have brought one like this right back. The residual magnetism was really messed up on it.
You have no idea how helpful your videos have been !! Personally I want to Thank you after the ice storm in Texas your videos help me fix a Honda engine on my generator thank you very much God Bless
Thanks for the comment. Nothing worse then a generator that will not start when you need it. Happy you were able to get it running.
Very nice job I've never attempted to work on these generators but I feel more comfortable after watching.
James, I’ve enjoyed watching you repair generators for over a year and finally had a dead ES 300c Honda.. gas was at least 3 yrs old in the carb. Main jet was totally clogged and even tank filter. Recoil starter was off and in pieces. 1hr later I had a perfectly running Honda. $3 worth of carb cleaner and your channel. I need your hot tank if I keep doing this, tho. Thanks!
I like your channel and you've educated me a lot about these generators. I know you are trying to help the DIYer trying to fix their generators thus the use of the general purpose multimeter test leads. You built a special purpose fuel tank to make your life easier. Consider making some special purpose test lead adapters that are more secure. Especially when measuring while the gen is running.
The longer you work on things the sooner you will find that one case that catches you.
Glad you found the real culprit and owned up to it.
Hope the power head is in fact a good one.
Thanks for sharing.
You sir are the Generator Whisperer. Another informative video. Thank you very much for taking the time to document repairs and troubleshooting. Question: has anyone that's sold you a broken generator come back and buy the fixed iteration of it?
Not that I know of. Waiting for the day I buy a broken generator that I sold to someone.
Having just powered through the HOUSTON, TX DEEP FREEZE, I was so very glad that I had invested in a generator. On the 2nd night, I successfully overloaded one leg of the 240v output... I thought the circuit breaker would protect it from overloads. Attempting repairs now!
Have you fixed it yet? What was wrong with it?
Upen further review last night, I was able to measure 120vac from each leg at the 240 output, BUT GOT NOTHING AT THE STANDARD 120V connections. I’ll have inspect behind the mounting panel to see how everything is wired!
@@firedmyboss sounds like it could be a wiring issue. unless your generator has a switch for 120v or 240v only.
What was wrong with it ??
Great video! Cound a generator out cor trash. I flashed the coil with a light attached and now I have a working generator... for free!
Good repair and good catch on the burnt winding on the stator
The radius of the brushes stator side looks like a near perfect fit for Dremel tool and the 1/2” drum sander that comes with most.
Thanks for the update info. I always like to see what the problem really is for future reference.
Rance here, I was thinking that another check that may have proven productive is to pull the electrical panel to see if someone had messed with the wiring .
Man your the best keep making video I live off grid my generator went out 20 mins ago it’s 4:00 in the morning it stop making power I have no idea where to start even after watching this lol.
Really enjoy all your videos. I ran into the same problem with my diesel generator a few months ago. Multimeter test all looks good but still no power. I did see the small burn mark after removing the stator, but not sure if the mark I saw is the problem. Finally I took a chance and bought a used gen head and problem solved. Thanks for making all the videos because I know how difficult it is to figuring out something, shooting video and explaining it at the same time.
2 + things does that rope have a spot amongst special tools, I feel you don't use your impacts enough I appreciate you torching things
I meant torqueing things, however I really enjoy watching your show, I have learned alot and need to learn more, I'm an ex auto engine mechanic. I did my own valve jobs, I cringe seeing you only lapping valves in, Amazon sells a fairly inexpensive small engine valve grinding and facing kit, I prefer the fixed newway cutters for facing, but they also sell stone grinding also.
Will have to take a look for that.
Every componant on that generator shakes like heck from that engine. I was thinking there would be problems at the plug socket where the wires are attached to the plugs. Nice fix and after check on the suspect stator!
Think I’m going to break my generator just to have you fix it 🤣🤣 another well explained video !!! Thanks 👍🏻
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A layer or 2-4 of 10:07 Aluminum foil works pretty good in small threads that are stripped or more specifically near stripped out.
It’s always the tricky ones that are the most interesting. Good video.
something to add to your test equipment, a "hi-pot" (Megger) tester.
The brushes don’t look like the were ever in right from the screw head marks on the nylon.
I love getting your videos, enjoy watching your patient and methodical method of troubleshooting and repairs.
So you either have a massive storage room for all of these repaired generators or you turn them over in short order. Which is it?
LOL, the wife comes home, can't park in the garage again. James is repairing ANOTHER generator!!
She has not been able to park in the garage for years. Luckily generators do not take up a bunch of space. When inventory starts to get high, I drop my prices and sell them at a discount to make space.
I have seen quite a few of Mr. Condon's interesting and well made videos of how to maintain and repair these generators. And they do not seem to be a ripe product ready to be offered to the general consumer as a solution to their need of a source of electricity in case of a power outage on the general grid. These generators seem, to develop every fault one can imagine, even after a short time use. Not many have the knowledge of Mr. Condon nor the equipment to troubles-shoot the machines when they stop working.
Hi James. I am a regular fan of your videos and I have a simple question for you. For better working and better viewing (for us) why don't you get a motorcycle lift because you make so many nice videos and you know the market, so you can find a cheap one.
you are very intricate, I never realized how much is involved in making a video. Along with mechanical and electronics trouble shooting. My hat is off to U, 😃😃😃 Thanks
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Sounded more like a governor shift rather than the generator actually going under load from a bad stator.
Once again another electrifying video. I sure do not have your ability to diagnose those generator problems. Great job. Thanks for the video.
Hi James, this is the best gen head video that you have done. It is soup to nuts on testing. I especially like the fact that you follow up on the other gen head to show your oops. Thanks as always, keep them up!
Patience has its rewards
I wish I could have seen your video's when I had a generator. Thanks
I find myself quite fascinated by your diagnosis and deduction process with explanations of the results. Well done for yet another "resurrection" job!
Very noble of you with the follow up explanation of what you identified at a later stage sometime afterwards.
Well i was about to comment to say "Might check the AVR to see if it is faulty". I then proceeded to look at the gen model and try to find a replacement avr just for giggles. and what do ya know... there is no avr for that model... never thought that a generator would be self regulating like that. thanks for the excellent vid and keep up the excellent work.
You should try exciting the armature with a battery (12V) while it runs, just touch it momentarily at the connectors where the blue and red wires connect, no polarity preference, has worked many times for me, builds residual magnetism.
Better to go directly to brushes because of the bridge rectifier.
Excellent video, excellent information. You are a true professional in your area. I’m working on mine it is a Titan 8500 no power.
good boy....live and learn, like we all should....
Loving the videos! We had a kohler that somehow sheared off the bolt that connects the motor to gen head. Under warranty thankfully!
Yikes. Must have been too tight? Good that they covered it.
James, thank you for another great video. By the way, I do enjoy it when you switch things up every now and then and bring back other power equipment. 👍
That's what I was thinking that the stator was still good thanks for giving it a second thought
Another great video - thanks very much but, all the way through (until the very end) I'm thinking - check the diodes on the brush block!!!
Given what you just learned, I'm sure it will become a standard part of your troubleshooting routine
Well done and thank you for sharing your story at the end. Good luck with everything 👍👍
good job of showing diagnostics, and follow up.
Nice twist at the end. Would be great to have a useful part as a result, but painful knowing the swap could have been avoided too. Very educational as always!
Could have saved some time, but glad to have another power head for the next project.
Loved your video and I love alternators (but everyone says genies) When you diagnosed the stator as bad based on the color of the windings (thicker globs of wire varnish appear darker as normal) I really doubted this to be the failure item. I keep thinking it was something in the field coil (rotor) or field coil power supply which you kindly gave us "the rest of the story" at the end.
I also was not convinced on this one. I had another go with this power head in this video ruclips.net/video/8GvJkuINoKA/видео.html
As you describe the legs does that mean the receptacles are of the split type we used to use in kitchens. ie the bottom half of the receptacle hot side is not connected to the top half. That could be exciting if a homeowner replaced one of those receptacles with a standard duplex.
avr doesn't need to be bolted down when adjusting voltage and you can do it while running saves time
How a sand grain can stuck a tank. Well done man
I came across this a week ago, took a look at the stator lookt good no discoloring or
broken twine. forgot to check rotor field. busted ass getting engine to run only to find
no juice, orange grape or apple no voltage either. next time I work on a gen I check res.
of all windings.
I very much enjoy all your videos and admire your tenaciousness. Well done!
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I must say you really know your generators James., great video as always. Just curious, how did you get interested in fixing small engine equipment? You’re very good, and confident, in your testing regimen, 👍👍
James, I really enjoy your videos on generators. You have taken great care in both function and appearance of the used generators passing thru your shop. This one looked like you didn't have to paint anything or polish the chrome muffler cover. You did gave the gas tank a good washing. I wondered if on those rubber/vinyl dust caps over the outlets if you use something like Armour-All, boot polish, wax etc to try to get the luster back.
James, i love how you always mange to find these machines for the prices you do. I would NEVE find one or as many gennys as you do and if I could people would want WAY too much for them even if broken... Your lucky that you are able to especially seeing how capable you are in fixing them. Thanks for the video and Great Job as usual. Stay safe my friend!
Definitely deserve support with the detail you go into. I love trouble shooting but can't do much if your unaware what you are looking for.
Great troubleshooting James, good job 😊
I noticed that he calls the alternator a "power head," I don't care what B&S calls it, it IS an alternator. I noticed that he used the slickest solid known to man (Teflon) to keep a screw in a stripped out hole instead if a hardwood toothpick or a gob of thread lock. I did not understand why he didn't test the diodes in the bridge when he first had them out. I own a B&S generator, but it has a vertical shaft engine and alternator. (11.5 bhp) The outlet & CB box (plastic) denigrated and I had to buy a replacement. Originally I saw the dark mater on the windings as being some kind of tar. I enjoyed watching it. Ron W4BIN
Salamat..(thanks).
From Philippines.
Thank you I understand them a little more.
I will wair for the next lesson
Enjoy all your videos as they are very informative! I’m surprised that with the large number of generators that you work on you don’t have some sort of hoist or lift and a table to make them a more convenient height to work on. Working on these on the floor has got to rough on the knees!
I love it when he and his captions don't agree!
Good vid easy to understand Thanks
This looks almost like a Troybilt job I have, Dang I almost knew it, a rectifier bridge on
back of brushes whole set-up is a 91825GS brushes and rectifier. as I understand these
can b gotten from home depot for about 32$ there is about 7.5 volts going to the rotor.
Very interesting. The saga continues.
James, once again, another excellent video. If I may, I have a 4k generator that is causing me fits. It is putting out 185 volts regular. I need to see if you could point me somewhere where I can get a new head possibly. I have tried and tried but can not find one. Must be looking for it wrong. It is just like the one you replaced on this storm generator. four bolts and the concave shaft. Thanks for your help.
Will be waiting on that 2nd video to be posted. Need to know the outcome. ⚡⚡⚡🤔🤔
Check the engine speed board circuit board generally located in the cover of the powerhead unit
👍 Danke fürs Hochladen!
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👍 Very good and beautiful, thank you!
👍 Sehr gut und schön, danke!
Just started your video wow fifty minutes man I really need my generator but g** d*** fifty minutes... Well here goes a chunk of my life it better be worth it
Your comments regarding ohmmeter and subtracting the resistance of your test-leads... Some meters have a button which can be pressed to zero out the meter while leads are connected together. This will automatically compensate for lead-resistance.
Sounds like a nice feature.
Nice fix. My home built 8600watt generator broke during a freak ice storm . Belt got chewed up. a local trip to autozone fixed it. the avr is a nice addition. I have a italian headunit mecca alte It has a capacitor where your avr is. 8600,7000 watts .dont know which is better avr or the huge capacitor..
Honestly I like the capacitor. Keep it simple. If the engine is running fast you hear it and know the voltage is high. I have seen AVRs go bad and start putting out 170 volts with a normal engine speed.
Great work James as always 🇦🇺🦘👍
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I think the red wire on the brushes was in the wrong place in the beginning. It was on the right. When you fitted a new avr, you've put it on the left. That solved the problem.
Great video as always. I'm having a nearly identical problem with a Generac quiet pact 75. The only thing I can find is the stator windings to ground is .35 megaohms and should be zero. Is that enough to condemn the stator?
I think so. Anything less then 10 million ohm is probably an issue.
Very informative. What I would love to know, though, is if these things are worth rewinding, especially the Chinesium versions that for some reason have enameled aluminum for coil windings.
I've once worked on a similar looking unit to this, with the working head you had installed, but no power. The rotor wire had broken off, but refused all efforts to soldering, as it would neither wet nor tin. Then a piece broke off, and that's how I figured out what kind of wire it was.
It worked when I reconnected the wire, but with the kind of material used and the conditions it was subject to as a jobsite generator, I have a feeling that it would not stay working for long. Hence me wondering if it can be rewound.
James. Great videos. Learned a lot from you about gens. I'm in the market for one but so much conflicting info out here. Have you ever considered making a rating table? You know, buy a cheap Predator but be prepared to fix this or that on it. Or don't buy a Home Lite or a Coleman cuz they're crap, Briggs Vanguard engine is better because... how to identify a knock off engine, etc. Your fans would love it but not so much the manufacturers unless you just hit the positives...