My Marantz AVR has a Burr Brown PCM1690 DAC - I know it's not high-end but it's plenty good enough to enjoy 24bit/192kHz Amazon music through my Fire Stick, and also enough to show the stark difference between Spotify and Amazon HD.
Bur Brown are excellent opp amps if the circuitary is built correctly such as ifi do, it's a warmer more musical sound than Saber, I use both, depends on the player I am using and personal taste.
Thank you. Those upgrading tips were invaluable. I upgraded like 3 times in a row, but I'm not listening to Amazon music in Ultra HD through my Yamaha receiver. Sounds amazing.
Amazon has a lot of work to do with their user interface. I had been with amazon for years, recently switching streaming services. This was an eye opening experience for me. I was with amazon for the music quality, but for a service I used every single time I listen to music, I did get frustrated with the LONG list of "quirks." I still watch content in the hopes some of these things will improve. On that note, great job explaining everything!
Luckily like I showed, I pretty much just use my playlists, and that part is great, along with actually playing a track. I wouldn’t be surprised if tidal or qobuz have far better ui in the other areas.
In regard to Amazon Music HD, since its app for the Apple TV 4k doesn't display the track quality (like the Fire TV Stick 4k), can you confirm that it is outputting at CD quality 16bits@44khz or better?
Great job explaining the Amazon Firestick and the Ultra HD setup. I am amazed at how few 2022 receivers have great DACs to take advantage of Ultra HD audio. Clearly Yamaha Aventage has some of the best DACs, especially the new RX-A8A nad RX-A6A. Are there other Audio/Video Receivers with outstanding DACs that you recommend for the Ultra HD music? Thank you
Just getting back into this and trying to understand the technology and the connections. So are you saying you plug your fire stick into an hdmi jack in your receiver and on your fire stick you have the music streaming app. And the music is played through the dacs in the receiver?
Good video! I have 2 echo studios which have Atmos connected to a tv which says supports Atmos. However when I play amazon music on tv I never see higher than 16 bit (I see ultra hd tag but never Atmos tag which I see on my phone).The device capability says 16 bit, I’m wondering what audio format on tv I should be using… pcm, pass through, auto? My tv is the amazon fire omni Qled which just came out in October. Any thoughts or suggestions would be great, going nuts here
Tidal uses compression and licensed (MQA) tech that adds costs while simultaneously introducing distortion. Amazon Music HD is just FLAC. Tidal has been intentionally deceptive on this, too, so I would avoid them like the plague.
Thank you for your amazing videos. I’ve watched all of your videos on any hifi products from home theaters chairs to acoustic treatment. I noticed on your display your Amazon 4K fire stick shows the device capability is 24/192. I have the 4K fire stick connected to my Marantz 8802A processor and the max device capability is 16-bit/192 kHz. Amazon’s website and technical support shows that the limit is 16-bit/192 kHz on the 4K firestick and if you want to get to the 24-bit/192 kHz quality (Ultra HD) you have to use their Echo studio, Echo Link or Echo Amp. But your display is showing the 24-bit without those devices. Interesting! I have all the upgrades and enabled the Ultra HD option.
Love your content and the way you explain things. I use an appletv as the main streaming device in my dedicated room but I also have a chromecast and an amazon fire cube since like you said, one device doesn't do it all. For my movies I use the disc though. I haven't bothered with ripping and using a plex server. I'm not an apple fan boy and the appletv is really the only apple device I use since the streaming quality and atmos is top notch.
My Yamaha receiver has 192kHz/24-bit Burr-Brown digital-to-analog converters. Is this conversion fairly good? BTW thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions. It's much appreciated.
I also have a very high-end McIntosh CD player with a built-in Phillips TDA-1541 S1 DAC. Is there any way that music streams can be played through the McIntosh player's DAC?
Burr-Brown is a very good entry level brand line of chips. They are used in the lower tier AVRs. Nothing bad, nothing great compared to things like ESS Sabre. Your CD player dac is not mean for converting anything but the CDs in it. If you want to use an AVR the only way to get significantly better sound/DACs is from a better AVR using better chips.
Great video! I changed all 5 of my FS 4K to the Ultra HD setting in Amazon Music and made the recommended changes to the FS. I have a Yamaha sound bar that will play Dolby Atmos and it sounds great especially Norah Jones Little Room. But there are some Ultra HD songs that sound spotty the sound kind of goes in and out for a micro second throughout the songs. While others play fine in Ultra HD. Do you know why that would be happening and if there is a setting that I need to change? Thank you in advance!
What if I don't want to use a TV or receiver? I just want to use some device (not an expensive streaming device) that can connect directly to the internet and output the sound to a power amplifier. Is this possible with fire stick or echo link?
Good video! Have you compared the audio from a non-Dolby Atmos or DTS:X movie from your Shield to the Apple TV? I switch back and forth often but I hardly notice the difference.
Is the UltraHD option only available with the Nvidia Pro? I have an original from 2018. Updated the Amazon Music App but shows supported device (AV amp) as only supporting Cd (16bit 44kbps). Amp is actually 7.1 and Atmos compatable, Plex has no issue on the shield outputting. I guess there’s a difference between the 2018 shield and the newer Shield pro in this area that the app requires…
I'm running a Yamaha RX-V3800 which use 192kHz/24-bit Burr-Brown DACs ( don't really care about anyones comments about how they hate these ). Running in Bi Amp configuration using Adcom GFA555 and GFA5800. Custom built speakers and crossovers. I have the Amazon music app settings correct for UHD. My Temporary TV is an LG 42LE5400 which only has optical audio out. I have a Visio 4K 70" TV with ARC which says HD audio output ( don't remember the model off hand maybe M70-C3 but it was a decent model at the time )at my other home that I haven't moved yet it's about 8 years old. My issue at the moment is the music app is saying that the LG TV is not capable of streaming 24 bit/192kHz audio so I'm only capable of CD quality. I would have thought it was just pass through, through the TV. Is this correct ? I don't remember seeing anythng in this video where the TV itself came into play maybe I missed that. Will the Visio with ARC HDMI audio out be capable of UHD audio even thouth the ARC says HD ? Thanks.
Well I guess I found the answer. In short if your TV doesn't have eARC you will NOT pass UHD audio out. "As you might have already guessed, Dolby TrueHD requires more bandwidth than Dolby Digital Plus, and the HDMI ARC specification was never designed to handle it. That’s why we now have enhanced Audio Return Channel (eARC), which has plenty of capacity and can handle lossless hi-res audio up to 24-bit/192kHz, which should satisfy even the most demanding audiophile."
Follow up question…how would I use the internal dac in my avr, Yamaha rx-v757(no hdmi, just optical), to play back music instead of my cd player? I am a little confused about this. I am using a cd player now that plugs into the back of the receiver via the rca jacks. I would like to see how using the internal dac sounds instead. Per your advice I can plug my echo to the receiver via an rca cable but that is an analogue input that is not going to use the receiver’s internal doc, correct? Thanks for bearing with me while I figure this out.
You can’t, without wasting money on a converter box to get you an optical signal from hdmi and even then it’s unlikely to work. You have an old, pre digital avr. Whatever dac is in there is a pos anyway.
I also have a very high-end McIntosh CD player with a built-in Phillips TDA-1541 S1 DAC. Is there any way that music streams can be played through the McIntosh player's DAC?
Apple just released high res but you can’t even use it unless you have an external DAC on iPhone. I am unable to get high resolution through the Apple TV 4K connected to my Denon like you are able to get it with Amazon music.
I have a fire stick max. I have an rz50 onkyo receiver. The diagnostics test from the fire stick settings page recognizes that I'm Atmos capable, however, amazon music HD will NOT stream in ATMOS. It says Ultra HD just like yours but NO ATMOS. If you listen to Amazon Music on the MOBILE app you can clearly switch b/w Atmos and Stereo but not on the TV App. If I play a Prime video from the fire stick that's in Atmos it DOES work as it should. Jack Ryan, for instance, streams in DD+ Atmos. NOT music thought and I don't know why.
I want to be able to play music apps from my Apple TV 4k or from my Macbook pro laptop through my speakers and have it all sound better than average. My AVR is a fairly high-end Yamaha RXV1900.
If you use a Firestick 4k to play your Amazon Music UHD from your home theater system is there a way to use an Echo Dot for voice commands instead of the Firestick remote or will the music play from Echo?
Yes if you add the firestick to your alexa setup you can control the basic commands like anything else. You can't navigate menus though so there's not really any point beyond play/pause
Thank you from Argentina. I can do it. I have AVR Denon X1400H. The Fire TV 4K is connected to HDMI port in Denon. Denon support 24/192. The problem is the app of Amazon Music. 5 or 6 track and then stop. Maybe Fire TV 4K need more RAM. I have to Force Detention of the app and run again. The Sound Quality is 10. The app is 5.
Thank you for the video. Does this solution work using a TOSLINK Digital Audio SPDIF Cable connected from the TV to my Stereo? I have a Cambridge Audio CXN streamer connected to my amp which accepts SPDIF and Ethernet (DNLA) inputs but not HDMI.
@@COGuyStuff OK before I go and buy a fire stick I think I'm missing some basic information here. Firstly does SP-Diff only support PCM audio? Secondly do I need a new TV? My current TV has sp-diff optical and it may have an HDMI ARC connector. But do I need a TV with eARC and an HDMI 2.1 cable to maintain the HD audio?
@@COGuyStuff Ahhh!!! So the fire stick goes into the AVR (which I don't have btw) and the video goes from AVR to TV using ARC or eARC. Your AVR (Yamaha RX-V2085) is currently unavailable on Amazon. So what do you recommend buying in the budget range just to drive 2 speakers at 24bit 192KHz?
@@COGuyStuff yeah, it's crazy. Tbh I am underwhelmed by Atmos on Tidal using my Nvidia Shield so might not be missing much. Atmos concerts on disks are awesome!
@@trinemortenskovgaard2790 felt the same until I properly level corrected my speakers to 75db at reference. Tried the Atmos again and it was so much better. Still prefer 2ch stereo for music.
So then if I get an outboard DAC, what do I connect it to? Can't I connect the analog output of the DAC to one of the stereo analog inputs such as CD, DVD, etc in my Yamaha??
You could, but it will still be coloring the sound going through the AVR. You also couldn't use any of the room correction or bass management and keep the higher quality. If you want high quality, sell the AVR, get separates.
I used to use Spotify and direct connect the receiver through my router via WiFi and sound quality was good. Can you not do this with amazonHD? Reason I ask is I just went to Anthem separates and plan to use Amazon HD as my main listening source.
Great video...thanks! Question: I've done the updating on my Fire Stick 4k and noticed that I'm getting sound quality as high as 16 Bit 192 khz but your Fire Stick 4k is getting 24 bit 192 kHz. I'm wondering why I'm not getting 24 bit? Is there a setting that I'm missing? Thanks
If you mean where it says device capability - as I said that's a combo of the stick and whatever you are plugged in to. If you are SURE the app AND OS are fully updated, then it's a limit of the next step in your chain.
Have you checked the actual audio quality output on your AVR? mine always says 192k no matter what the fireTV says on the screen. Let me know what yours says. I haven’t been able to get my AVR and my FireTV to match. I’m also using a Yamaha RXA3080
My Yamaha reciever (rx-v681) says it has 192kHz / 24-bit DACs for all channels, but it also calls them "Burr-Brown". You said Burr-Brown is not that great, yet the bits and kHz are up to spec. I'm confused. What would a better DAC do? And why is this DAC not good enough?
No, not in most cases. DAC is used to both describe the chips inside a component, and a standalone box that is a combo DAC/pre-amp. What are you trying to do exactly?
@@COGuyStuff Nicely Done. The app now is supported in the fire stick 2 for hi res :) Just to confirm, Can you add a stand alone dac wired from the fire stick to the dac then out to the receiver to upgrade your receivers 16/44.1 to hi res 24/96 ? I would assume any $100 and above dac is better then what's in the older Denon entry level receivers. Does it need to be a dac/preamp ? Thanks
It's terrible that a receiver costing, at the time, almost two thousand dollars is just middle of the road. Anyway, my goal here is to have everything that's coming through my Yamaha's amp to be also going through a better outboard DAC. How do I achieve this?
You don't, that's not what AVRs are for. The whole point of them is, one box, with 'good' stuff that does it all. You are describing separates. Separate processing, pre-amp and amp(s). Welcome to the slippery slope ;) Bottom line is, you don't use an AVR for top quality, never have never will. It's not what it does. And $2k is not expensive relatively speaking.
I have a NAD receiver that does 24/192KHz. I've have a PC connected and was able to set that no problem. The 2021 firestick only seems to be working at 24/48KHz. I toggled the setting the in Amazon Music app and selected an album I know is 24/96KHz. Any ideas?
Hello. I have a subscription to Amazon prime, an echo dot, an Apple TV device, a Sony smart tv, and an older Yamaha avr with no hdmi connections. How do I get the free music from Amazon prime to play on my stereo?
@@COGuyStuff Thank you. Does a single echo output Stereo? I have a Yamaha RX-V757 avr btw. No dac I think? Really plays music with a lot of clarity, definition through speakers that present a load it can control.
I have the an old Denon receiver hooked up to my X900H TV, android store on this TV does not have a native Amazon Music app. I downloaded the APK a while back and it stopped working, so frustrating. Now I connect my Samsung phone to my TV directly to listen to Amazon music UHD
I still don’t get this, how can I get digital audio into my dedicated DAC (not receiver) from the fs4k/, then play it through my normal stereo from the dac? The fs4k doesn’t have an optical out
@@COGuyStuff Can you describe your audio chain? My Fstick is plugged into my TV. Do I need to run a second HDMI cable out of my TV with a converter attachment (optical, RCA?). Can you place a link to the converter that you use? I want to connect to my dac via an optical cable which I think is better than RCA cables.
Really hoping someone can help explain what’s going on. The video seems to indicate that the 4K fire TV will play ultra HD. I have a Marantz 7013 receiver, I’ve updated to the latest versions of both the software and application. I’m still only getting 16/44 resolution. I’m thinking I might need to switch over to a different solution here. Amazon music HD just doesn’t seem to have any ability for me to play HD music on my Marantz receiver
Did you click on the button in the Music app to allow the Ultra HD streaming? Click on the little fella on the top right then go into Audio Quality and turn on Ultra HD.
Could it be that the 4K stick just doesn’t work on the Marantz 7013? That’s the only thing I can think of. I’ve done everything everyone has suggested.
DAC stands for Digital to Analog Converter. Whatever is outputting to your speakers/amp is doing the conversion. I assume you have the aTV plugged in to an AVR. IT has the dac you are hearing.
@@sacflies yes it’s connected to my Marantz 7013. And yes it supports full 24-bit/192khz resolution. I spent 2 hours on phone with Amazon music and fire stick department. They swear that it doesn’t support ultra HD.
@@DarienBlueWave Did you go over to the little person icon on the top right in the Amazon Music app then go down to Audio Quality and turn on Enable Ultra HD?
Have you realized that using airplay directly to the AVR sounds much better than using an app on the Apple TV or airplaying to the Apple TV from iPhone?When you airplay to the Apple TV or use a native app such as Tidal it is so much weaker than using the TIDAL app from your phone and airplay directly to the receiver (Denon)
Have my 4k Firestick going into my Denon receiver. 2 things, I don't see how to manually check to update the app. Can anyone tell me the latest version please. I can not get 24 bit. I tired putting into the TV then back but still no dice. I have Ultra HD enabled.
@@COGuyStuff Interesting. Does that include the Amazon Music HD PC app/website running from a laptop to my receiver? I want to be able to feed and control music while playing games (muted).
When I use a fire stick there is an option for the audio resolution rate display option. When I use the app on my newer Samsung tv, I just have to trust my ears I guess.
Hi there, I have an Onkyo TX-SR705 AV receiver, which has HDMI 1.3, Optical and Coaxial Inputs. I have the Amazon Music unlmited Service mirrored ohnto my new Samsunmg Smart TV, but would rather not have to have the TV on to play music. Suggestions?
That’s so old it has nothing built in. I would just use a Bluetooth box and stream from a phone or tablet. I use this one on my desktop www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Wireless-Receiver-Streaming-Playtime/dp/B08JXCWX6C/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?crid=1BB5EXGVIIQ44&keywords=bluetooth+rca&qid=1641194805&sprefix=bluetooth+rca%2Caps%2C103&sr=8-6
@@COGuyStuff I'm getting either an Arcam ST60 or a Cambridge CXN2 in 10 days. My question remains. How do I get the Ultra HD material to play in full detail? I'm told Bluetooth will not support Ultra HD. Is that wrong?
Amazon Fire TV Cube 4K Ultra HD will also play Amazon Music UHD. Same as the fire stick, by default this turned off; you have to change audio quality to get UHD. The system will warn if your equipment is not compatible with UHD you will not hear any sound or the playback will be spotty.
@@COGuyStuff Sorry, maybe I missed but I watched the video 3 times and did not see where you said UHD would work with the Fire TV Cube. It was may impression that you said that UHD would work with the Fire Stick 4K.
My firestick 4K sends ultra HD at 24bit/192khz to my LG TV, but the TV restricts the Toslink output to my DAC to 48khz... I'm not sure at what bit depth. I assumed all television had this restirction and haven't found anyway to get around this problem. Has anyone a UHD television that doesn't restrict the output. Maybe something with coaxial outs, or BNC?? Thanks in advance!
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Great demo, great commentary! I only regret the time I spent watching other videos before I found yours.
My Marantz AVR has a Burr Brown PCM1690 DAC - I know it's not high-end but it's plenty good enough to enjoy 24bit/192kHz Amazon music through my Fire Stick, and also enough to show the stark difference between Spotify and Amazon HD.
Bur Brown are excellent opp amps if the circuitary is built correctly such as ifi do, it's a warmer more musical sound than Saber, I use both, depends on the player I am using and personal taste.
Thank you. Those upgrading tips were invaluable. I upgraded like 3 times in a row, but I'm not listening to Amazon music in Ultra HD through my Yamaha receiver. Sounds amazing.
Amazon has a lot of work to do with their user interface. I had been with amazon for years, recently switching streaming services. This was an eye opening experience for me. I was with amazon for the music quality, but for a service I used every single time I listen to music, I did get frustrated with the LONG list of "quirks." I still watch content in the hopes some of these things will improve.
On that note, great job explaining everything!
Luckily like I showed, I pretty much just use my playlists, and that part is great, along with actually playing a track. I wouldn’t be surprised if tidal or qobuz have far better ui in the other areas.
Very well done! Thank you!
I needed this instruction.
I have good audio equipment, but I was struggling with good streaming equipment.
Hi great video quick question will amazon music work with the shield pro i havent found a way to passthrough atmos yet
In regard to Amazon Music HD, since its app for the Apple TV 4k doesn't display the track quality (like the Fire TV Stick 4k), can you confirm that it is outputting at CD quality 16bits@44khz or better?
I’d like to know this too, recently got the 2021 model and there’s no way to determine what the output quality is
@@Zaim900 most decent DACs will display the audio quality that is being inputted
Great job explaining the Amazon Firestick and the Ultra HD setup. I am amazed at how few 2022 receivers have great DACs to take advantage of Ultra HD audio. Clearly Yamaha Aventage has some of the best DACs, especially the new RX-A8A nad RX-A6A. Are there other Audio/Video Receivers with outstanding DACs that you recommend for the Ultra HD music? Thank you
I think many audiophiles use separate DACs. Consider checking "cheap audio man" information.
Do you have very good speakers?
Just getting back into this and trying to understand the technology and the connections. So are you saying you plug your fire stick into an hdmi jack in your receiver and on your fire stick you have the music streaming app. And the music is played through the dacs in the receiver?
Yes
@@COGuyStuff Thanks.
Good video! I have 2 echo studios which have Atmos connected to a tv which says supports Atmos. However when I play amazon music on tv I never see higher than 16 bit (I see ultra hd tag but never Atmos tag which I see on my phone).The device capability says 16 bit, I’m wondering what audio format on tv I should be using… pcm, pass through, auto? My tv is the amazon fire omni Qled which just came out in October. Any thoughts or suggestions would be great, going nuts here
Thanks for your video, but what about for Dolby Atmos music from Amazon HD vs Tidal Service, Who is the best?
I have not tried it in Tidal, sorry
Tidal uses compression and licensed (MQA) tech that adds costs while simultaneously introducing distortion. Amazon Music HD is just FLAC. Tidal has been intentionally deceptive on this, too, so I would avoid them like the plague.
Thank you for your amazing videos. I’ve watched all of your videos on any hifi products from home theaters chairs to acoustic treatment. I noticed on your display your Amazon 4K fire stick shows the device capability is 24/192. I have the 4K fire stick connected to my Marantz 8802A processor and the max device capability is 16-bit/192 kHz. Amazon’s website and technical support shows that the limit is 16-bit/192 kHz on the 4K firestick and if you want to get to the 24-bit/192 kHz quality (Ultra HD) you have to use their Echo studio, Echo Link or Echo Amp. But your display is showing the 24-bit without those devices. Interesting! I have all the upgrades and enabled the Ultra HD option.
Either you misread or saw something old. It was updated late last year, thus this video.
Love your content and the way you explain things. I use an appletv as the main streaming device in my dedicated room but I also have a chromecast and an amazon fire cube since like you said, one device doesn't do it all. For my movies I use the disc though. I haven't bothered with ripping and using a plex server. I'm not an apple fan boy and the appletv is really the only apple device I use since the streaming quality and atmos is top notch.
I have looked everywhere for this information. Thanks for the video did anyone find out it the stick plays 360 audio to your Dolby atmo Amp ?
My Yamaha receiver has 192kHz/24-bit Burr-Brown digital-to-analog converters. Is this conversion fairly good? BTW thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions. It's much appreciated.
I also have a very high-end McIntosh CD player with a built-in Phillips TDA-1541 S1 DAC. Is there any way that music streams can be played through the McIntosh player's DAC?
Burr-Brown is a very good entry level brand line of chips. They are used in the lower tier AVRs. Nothing bad, nothing great compared to things like ESS Sabre. Your CD player dac is not mean for converting anything but the CDs in it. If you want to use an AVR the only way to get significantly better sound/DACs is from a better AVR using better chips.
Yes the sound of Amazon music is incredible.
Great video! I changed all 5 of my FS 4K to the Ultra HD setting in Amazon Music and made the recommended changes to the FS. I have a Yamaha sound bar that will play Dolby Atmos and it sounds great especially Norah Jones Little Room. But there are some Ultra HD songs that sound spotty the sound kind of goes in and out for a micro second throughout the songs. While others play fine in Ultra HD. Do you know why that would be happening and if there is a setting that I need to change? Thank you in advance!
Sorry, no. I haven't used it since about the time this video went out. I'm on Tidal Connect now.
What if I don't want to use a TV or receiver? I just want to use some device (not an expensive streaming device) that can connect directly to the internet and output the sound to a power amplifier.
Is this possible with fire stick or echo link?
It’s called a streamer. And they are not cheap
Good video! Have you compared the audio from a non-Dolby Atmos or DTS:X movie from your Shield to the Apple TV? I switch back and forth often but I hardly notice the difference.
No difference
Is it possible to get Amazon music 3D sound with the Fire TV Cube or Stick?
Did you manage to find out?
@@edmundowhite According to many forums, it´s possible.
Thanks, Stef. I will find out soon enough, waiting for Prime Sale Day, and hope it drops in price 🙏 😀
Does this method pass through Dolby Atmos as well?
Is the UltraHD option only available with the Nvidia Pro? I have an original from 2018. Updated the Amazon Music App but shows supported device (AV amp) as only supporting Cd (16bit 44kbps). Amp is actually 7.1 and Atmos compatable, Plex has no issue on the shield outputting. I guess there’s a difference between the 2018 shield and the newer Shield pro in this area that the app requires…
I'm running a Yamaha RX-V3800 which use 192kHz/24-bit Burr-Brown DACs ( don't really care about anyones comments about how they hate these ). Running in Bi Amp configuration using Adcom GFA555 and GFA5800. Custom built speakers and crossovers. I have the Amazon music app settings correct for UHD. My Temporary TV is an LG 42LE5400 which only has optical audio out. I have a Visio 4K 70" TV with ARC which says HD audio output ( don't remember the model off hand maybe M70-C3 but it was a decent model at the time )at my other home that I haven't moved yet it's about 8 years old. My issue at the moment is the music app is saying that the LG TV is not capable of streaming 24 bit/192kHz audio so I'm only capable of CD quality. I would have thought it was just pass through, through the TV. Is this correct ? I don't remember seeing anythng in this video where the TV itself came into play maybe I missed that. Will the Visio with ARC HDMI audio out be capable of UHD audio even thouth the ARC says HD ? Thanks.
Well I guess I found the answer. In short if your TV doesn't have eARC you will NOT pass UHD audio out.
"As you might have already guessed, Dolby TrueHD requires more bandwidth than Dolby Digital Plus, and the HDMI ARC specification was never designed to handle it. That’s why we now have enhanced Audio Return Channel (eARC), which has plenty of capacity and can handle lossless hi-res audio up to 24-bit/192kHz, which should satisfy even the most demanding audiophile."
Is your Firestick in this example plugged into your tv or your avr? How are you playing the Norah Jones track both in cd and uhd quality?
Everything is in to the avr
Follow up question…how would I use the internal dac in my avr, Yamaha rx-v757(no hdmi, just optical), to play back music instead of my cd player? I am a little confused about this. I am using a cd player now that plugs into the back of the receiver via the rca jacks. I would like to see how using the internal dac sounds instead. Per your advice I can plug my echo to the receiver via an rca cable but that is an analogue input that is not going to use the receiver’s internal doc, correct? Thanks for bearing with me while I figure this out.
You can’t, without wasting money on a converter box to get you an optical signal from hdmi and even then it’s unlikely to work. You have an old, pre digital avr. Whatever dac is in there is a pos anyway.
@@COGuyStuff K so need a new avr then. Thanks.
I also have a very high-end McIntosh CD player with a built-in Phillips TDA-1541 S1 DAC. Is there any way that music streams can be played through the McIntosh player's DAC?
There has already been an OS update to the 4k stick. We got it around the end of March or early April (2021)
Can you domthe same thing focused on apple tv. Actually playing the music and showing the song’s resolution. So far, I have not been able to find it!
so I have a Moukey Mamp1 Bluetooth 5 amp. But Firestick will not stream 24 bit audio to it. Is that a limitation of Bluetooth or the Moukey amp?
Sorry, I don't know, I've never used that combo
Apple just released high res but you can’t even use it unless you have an external DAC on iPhone. I am unable to get high resolution through the Apple TV 4K connected to my Denon like you are able to get it with Amazon music.
Same here, it's really annoying.
I have a fire stick max. I have an rz50 onkyo receiver. The diagnostics test from the fire stick settings page recognizes that I'm Atmos capable, however, amazon music HD will NOT stream in ATMOS. It says Ultra HD just like yours but NO ATMOS. If you listen to Amazon Music on the MOBILE app you can clearly switch b/w Atmos and Stereo but not on the TV App. If I play a Prime video from the fire stick that's in Atmos it DOES work as it should. Jack Ryan, for instance, streams in DD+ Atmos. NOT music thought and I don't know why.
I want to be able to play music apps from my Apple TV 4k or from my Macbook pro laptop through my speakers and have it all sound better than average. My AVR is a fairly high-end Yamaha RXV1900.
That’s middle of the road. With Yamaha you have to go to an aventage series for the good stuff.
If you use a Firestick 4k to play your Amazon Music UHD from your home theater system is there a way to use an Echo Dot for voice commands instead of the Firestick remote or will the music play from Echo?
Yes if you add the firestick to your alexa setup you can control the basic commands like anything else. You can't navigate menus though so there's not really any point beyond play/pause
Thank you from Argentina. I can do it. I have AVR Denon X1400H. The Fire TV 4K is connected to HDMI port in Denon. Denon support 24/192. The problem is the app of Amazon Music. 5 or 6 track and then stop. Maybe Fire TV 4K need more RAM. I have to Force Detention of the app and run again. The Sound Quality is 10. The app is 5.
Do you get 24 bit device capability when you play Amazon Music HD on the Nvidia shield? Seems to be stuck at CD quality, and I'm sick of using HEOS 😂
Nope. Thats the point of this video, have to use the Amazon device
@@COGuyStuff Ahh, that's what I figured/feared. Thanks, good video
Got my fire stick 4k a few months back. No regrets
Thank you for the video. Does this solution work using a TOSLINK Digital Audio SPDIF Cable connected from the TV to my Stereo? I have a Cambridge Audio CXN streamer connected to my amp which accepts SPDIF and Ethernet (DNLA) inputs but not HDMI.
No
@@COGuyStuff OK before I go and buy a fire stick I think I'm missing some basic information here. Firstly does SP-Diff only support PCM audio? Secondly do I need a new TV? My current TV has sp-diff optical and it may have an HDMI ARC connector. But do I need a TV with eARC and an HDMI 2.1 cable to maintain the HD audio?
None of this has anything to do with your tv or optical. If you can’t plug the fire stick in your avr and use it’s dac you can’t do it.
@@COGuyStuff Ahhh!!! So the fire stick goes into the AVR (which I don't have btw) and the video goes from AVR to TV using ARC or eARC. Your AVR (Yamaha RX-V2085) is currently unavailable on Amazon. So what do you recommend buying in the budget range just to drive 2 speakers at 24bit 192KHz?
Interesting video. Using the Fire Stick, are you able to listen to Atmos tracks on Amazon Music in your home theater?
No. Not only is atmos support on the firestick series almost non existent, only the Echo Studio plays the music. It's just a gimmick.
@@COGuyStuff yeah, it's crazy. Tbh I am underwhelmed by Atmos on Tidal using my Nvidia Shield so might not be missing much. Atmos concerts on disks are awesome!
Yep, those few examples are the only real source for it. And they can be great!
@@trinemortenskovgaard2790 felt the same until I properly level corrected my speakers to 75db at reference. Tried the Atmos again and it was so much better. Still prefer 2ch stereo for music.
yes, Amazon DA is only on Echo Studio as of now... so only other option is Tidal afaik
What’s the audio output/resolution out of the back 3.5mm jack of an Echo Show to an RCA Y-splitter?
Terrible. The built in dac is basic
I’m in Canada and I can’t get the option to toggle between HD and uhh. I can’t go beyond 16 bit 48khz playback. Works with Heos though.
So then if I get an outboard DAC, what do I connect it to? Can't I connect the analog output of the DAC to one of the stereo analog inputs such as CD, DVD, etc in my Yamaha??
You could, but it will still be coloring the sound going through the AVR. You also couldn't use any of the room correction or bass management and keep the higher quality. If you want high quality, sell the AVR, get separates.
Question: Am I streaming HiRes when I use Airplay via Music Cast on my Yamaha WXC-50? I have an ethernet cable plugged in.
No
@@COGuyStuff Thank you!
I used to use Spotify and direct connect the receiver through my router via WiFi and sound quality was good. Can you not do this with amazonHD? Reason I ask is I just went to Anthem separates and plan to use Amazon HD as my main listening source.
Nope
I must have missed something. How is the sound transmitted to the receiver?
Usually an HDMI cable or optical cable…..
Great video...thanks! Question: I've done the updating on my Fire Stick 4k and noticed that I'm getting sound quality as high as 16 Bit 192 khz but your Fire Stick 4k is getting 24 bit 192 kHz. I'm wondering why I'm not getting 24 bit? Is there a setting that I'm missing? Thanks
If you mean where it says device capability - as I said that's a combo of the stick and whatever you are plugged in to. If you are SURE the app AND OS are fully updated, then it's a limit of the next step in your chain.
I think this is a bug with Denon receivers as mine does the same thing and there is lots of on line chatter on this....
Have mine connected to a Marantz receiver which is fully 24/192 capable but only getting 16 bit!
Have you checked the actual audio quality output on your AVR? mine always says 192k no matter what the fireTV says on the screen. Let me know what yours says. I haven’t been able to get my AVR and my FireTV to match. I’m also using a Yamaha RXA3080
Same here. Pioneer Elite 503 shows 24/192 coming in … while Amazon Music shows 16/44 going out.
@@jaytucker2816 Amazon music can only stream in 24bit/48 khz,unless you have a dedicated high quality dac. Amazon lets you download up to 24bit/192khz
My Yamaha reciever (rx-v681) says it has 192kHz / 24-bit DACs for all channels, but it also calls them "Burr-Brown". You said Burr-Brown is not that great, yet the bits and kHz are up to spec. I'm confused. What would a better DAC do? And why is this DAC not good enough?
Burr-Brown is the brand name of the chips. They are just OK sound quality. Very common.
Depends which Burr-Brown dac chip and how it's implemented. Done right they are some of the best out there
Which harmony are you using in the video?
Elite
If I connect this to my receiver through HDMI does it use my AVR DAC or the fire stick?
The avr. There is no dac in a firestick
@@COGuyStuff Thank you
But a new DAC could be plugged into my AVR, correct?
No, not in most cases. DAC is used to both describe the chips inside a component, and a standalone box that is a combo DAC/pre-amp. What are you trying to do exactly?
@@COGuyStuff Nicely Done.
The app now is supported in the fire stick 2 for hi res :)
Just to confirm, Can you add a stand alone dac wired from the fire stick to the dac then out to the receiver to upgrade your receivers 16/44.1 to hi res
24/96 ?
I would assume any $100 and above dac is better then what's in the older Denon entry level receivers. Does it need to be a dac/preamp ?
Thanks
It's terrible that a receiver costing, at the time, almost two thousand dollars is just middle of the road. Anyway, my goal here is to have everything that's coming through my Yamaha's amp to be also going through a better outboard DAC. How do I achieve this?
You don't, that's not what AVRs are for. The whole point of them is, one box, with 'good' stuff that does it all. You are describing separates. Separate processing, pre-amp and amp(s). Welcome to the slippery slope ;) Bottom line is, you don't use an AVR for top quality, never have never will. It's not what it does. And $2k is not expensive relatively speaking.
I have a NAD receiver that does 24/192KHz. I've have a PC connected and was able to set that no problem. The 2021 firestick only seems to be working at 24/48KHz. I toggled the setting the in Amazon Music app and selected an album I know is 24/96KHz. Any ideas?
Nothing I didn't show
Hello. I have a subscription to Amazon prime, an echo dot, an Apple TV device, a Sony smart tv, and an older Yamaha avr with no hdmi connections. How do I get the free music from Amazon prime to play on my stereo?
I would use a 3.5mm to rca cable from the echo to an input of the avr
@@COGuyStuff Thank you. Does a single echo output Stereo? I have a Yamaha RX-V757 avr btw. No dac I think? Really plays music with a lot of clarity, definition through speakers that present a load it can control.
Yes. And yes they all have dacs
@@COGuyStuff Thanks.
I have the an old Denon receiver hooked up to my X900H TV, android store on this TV does not have a native Amazon Music app. I downloaded the APK a while back and it stopped working, so frustrating. Now I connect my Samsung phone to my TV directly to listen to Amazon music UHD
Like I said, you need the Firestick 4K
I still don’t get this, how can I get digital audio into my dedicated DAC (not receiver) from the fs4k/, then play it through my normal stereo from the dac? The fs4k doesn’t have an optical out
You would need an hdmi converter to whatever format you need
@@COGuyStuff Can you describe your audio chain?
My Fstick is plugged into my TV. Do I need to run a second HDMI cable out of my TV with a converter attachment (optical, RCA?). Can you place a link to the converter that you use? I want to connect to my dac via an optical cable which I think is better than RCA cables.
Really hoping someone can help explain what’s going on. The video seems to indicate that the 4K fire TV will play ultra HD. I have a Marantz 7013 receiver, I’ve updated to the latest versions of both the software and application. I’m still only getting 16/44 resolution. I’m thinking I might need to switch over to a different solution here. Amazon music HD just doesn’t seem to have any ability for me to play HD music on my Marantz receiver
Did you click on the button in the Music app to allow the Ultra HD streaming? Click on the little fella on the top right then go into Audio Quality and turn on Ultra HD.
@@sacflies did tjat
Could it be that the 4K stick just doesn’t work on the Marantz 7013? That’s the only thing I can think of. I’ve done everything everyone has suggested.
I get 16/192 on my Nakamichi soundbar and 24/192 through my Hisense H9G, so I dunno why you’d only be getting 16/44
Great video, i can't stand fire tv due to the fact you can't change the home screen, it is basically the amazon app all the time.
really useful video right here thanks a lot!! =)
Glad it was helpful!
Does Apple TV have a built-in DAC?
No. Something has to have analog out, to have a DAC.
@@COGuyStuff - So when I listen to the Spotify app through my Apple TV 4K how is it playing back the music back? It sounds very good.
DAC stands for Digital to Analog Converter. Whatever is outputting to your speakers/amp is doing the conversion. I assume you have the aTV plugged in to an AVR. IT has the dac you are hearing.
Just purchased 4K fire stick based on this video. Only getting 16-bit. Called Amazon and they are saying the fire stick doesn’t support ultra HD.
What do you have your fire stick connected to? Receiver? Does your receiver support 24 bit?
@@sacflies yes it’s connected to my Marantz 7013. And yes it supports full 24-bit/192khz resolution. I spent 2 hours on phone with Amazon music and fire stick department. They swear that it doesn’t support ultra HD.
@@sacflies by the way, when I play my songs via HEOs I get full ultra Hd (24/192) so it’s definitely not my receiver
@@DarienBlueWave Did you go over to the little person icon on the top right in the Amazon Music app then go down to Audio Quality and turn on Enable Ultra HD?
@@sacflies yes absolutely
Have you realized that using airplay directly to the AVR sounds much better than using an app on the Apple TV or airplaying to the Apple TV from iPhone?When you airplay to the Apple TV or use a native app such as Tidal it is so much weaker than using the TIDAL app from your phone and airplay directly to the receiver (Denon)
Have you realized that’s what I did?
How do you get a display on TV if the fire stick is connected to the avr. Doesn't it have to be connected to the TV directly..
Have my 4k Firestick going into my Denon receiver. 2 things, I don't see how to manually check to update the app. Can anyone tell me the latest version please. I can not get 24 bit. I tired putting into the TV then back but still no dice. I have Ultra HD enabled.
My firesticks used to say that...but now they all show..16bit at 44khz....device capability..and amazon cannot give an answer why it has changed...
Is the firestick 4k connected to ethernet via an adapter?
Mine is just wifi, it doesn't need anything special
Can I use SPOTIFY?
Why is the shield pro not as good as the firestick for Amazon HD music streaming?
Because the app only has full functionality on Amazon devices.
@@COGuyStuff Interesting. Does that include the Amazon Music HD PC app/website running from a laptop to my receiver? I want to be able to feed and control music while playing games (muted).
I don’t know I don’t use it
Have any of you who switched to hires through the firestick noticed a difference in sound quality?
When I use a fire stick there is an option for the audio resolution rate display option.
When I use the app on my newer Samsung tv, I just have to trust my ears I guess.
Thank you for all the info!!! Been looking for a guy like you forever.
How is the TV connected to the AVR?
HDMI of course
Interestingly, the little room track isn’t 24/192 anymore! It’s 24/96 currently…
Hi there,
I have an Onkyo TX-SR705 AV receiver, which has HDMI 1.3, Optical and Coaxial Inputs.
I have the Amazon Music unlmited Service mirrored ohnto my new Samsunmg Smart TV, but would rather not have to have the TV on to play music.
Suggestions?
That’s so old it has nothing built in. I would just use a Bluetooth box and stream from a phone or tablet. I use this one on my desktop www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Wireless-Receiver-Streaming-Playtime/dp/B08JXCWX6C/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?crid=1BB5EXGVIIQ44&keywords=bluetooth+rca&qid=1641194805&sprefix=bluetooth+rca%2Caps%2C103&sr=8-6
@@COGuyStuff I'm getting either an Arcam ST60 or a Cambridge CXN2 in 10 days. My question remains. How do I get the Ultra HD material to play in full detail? I'm told Bluetooth will not support Ultra HD. Is that wrong?
You didn’t ask about ultra hd. You can’t on that.
@@COGuyStuff How about a BlueSound Node?
The Amazon integration with bluos is pretty bad. And wasting 600 on a streamer just for that makes no sense. Just put it towards a current avr.
Don't you have to pay extra on your Amazon music service to get HD?
Yes
Not any more. Same cost but now HD and UHD are included.
Amazon Fire TV Cube 4K Ultra HD will also play Amazon Music UHD. Same as the fire stick, by default this turned off; you have to change audio quality to get UHD. The system will warn if your equipment is not compatible with UHD you will not hear any sound or the playback will be spotty.
Good thing I mentioned that
@@COGuyStuff Sorry, maybe I missed but I watched the video 3 times and did not see where you said UHD would work with the Fire TV Cube. It was may impression that you said that UHD would work with the Fire Stick 4K.
@5:57 do you have someone tied up in the back room?
My firestick 4K sends ultra HD at 24bit/192khz to my LG TV, but the TV restricts the Toslink output to my DAC to 48khz... I'm not sure at what bit depth. I assumed all television had this restirction and haven't found anyway to get around this problem. Has anyone a UHD television that doesn't restrict the output. Maybe something with coaxial outs, or BNC?? Thanks in advance!
Why can’t they just have a fucking Amazon Music app like they have for frigging prime? Like every other damn streaming service. This is horse shit.
I does not worth it.
Never mention amazon music used apple tv!
Uh, this video is about the high resolution option. Which is not on appletv.