The Sonic Fanbase Needs To Relax...
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- Stop taking video game reviews so seriously and try the titles for yourself, watch some raw gameplay, play a demo and don't take one review to heart.
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My problem isn't the reviews themselves, it's the fact that Sega is notorious for seeing bad reviews and going "ok, scrap everything". That's the main reason people are really up in arms over this, I would really like a sequel one day.
you're right on the money with that
That's probably why we will never get a sonic unleashed port for P.C. Just a port no remaster or remake they're 100 gonna screw it up like origins and Colors ultimate.
@@iloveemiliaandrem9443 And who's fault is that, really? We had a decade of a defeatist company, and even then people has gotten sick of it. Reason why we're never getting a port of an overhyped game is because their trust in Blind Squirrels was misplaced. BRB also had a snafu internally, so it's not really their fault Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric came out the way it did, they were more or less, publishers. More like the industry at large needs to rethink it's practices. Less crunch and overnight results, and more unified goals and healthy work environments.
Poor little victim. :(
@@Gaia_BentosZX5 It's 100% Sega's fault. They gave the OK for the ports and Frontier.
This is almost like in grade school where if you get like a 72% you're considered a failure but in reality you actually passed.
what school do you go to
@@detective2221 NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!
@@detective2221 you really think he’s going to tell you what school he went to?! Your very naïve.
@@cwp24 you’re. What English class did you go to?
@@detective2221 weird man
I think why fans are more scared of bad reviews is because they don’t want a repeat of last decade. Not that it was the worst in game quality, it’s mainly because Sega played it safe when it came to ideas, and when Colors and Gens got great reviews, Sega seemed to just copy and paste the ideas for the course of the latter half of 2022 with no substantial being add on to the games.
It's still stupid. They should be getting mad at SEGA and Sonic Team for taking the wrong advice, not the reviewers. No should have to hold back negative reviews because the developers and publishers are morons.
There's still traces of that even here in Frontiers, what with them reusing Generations assets and sometimes even the level design for the cyberspace areas (I played Generations a fckton back then so I still memorized some of the courses lol)
They're on the right track, but I wish Sega would leave behind that "Play it safe" mentality, it's not healthy for both the franchise and them as a company.
And maybe this is just me reading so deeply between the lines, but from what I can infer in some dialogues and side remarks within the game, I think they're trying their best to move forward from that mentality too.
They have a good foundation here. I don't just want them to stick with it - I want them to BUILD upon it. Right now the series' future is uncertain but hopeful. In my eyes, at least.
@@XG417 To be fair to them, two games that they took risks ended up being part of the "worst games of all time" lists and unfortunately became the first games people outside the fandom know about and judge everything from there.
@@XG417 I wished that they got creative with the cyberspace levels. Like a hill top level. It would be pretty easy too. Retexture green hill brown ‘dirt’ to blue and boom! Hill Top Zone!
@@XG417 I'm in this weird spot with the Cyberspace levels where I suspect part of why they reused level layouts is to see what genre of 3D Sonic level design fans respond best to so they know what to shoot for going forward. Am I wrong? Possibly! But who knows.
I don't really care that much about the user scores but dunkey fans actively getting mad at sonic fans for having fun is some seriously pathetic nonsense.
fr bro, he can have a negative opinion on the game, but his fans review bombing it is hella lame
@@plya0 exactly. He also refuses to admit it was a stupid thing to do and instead defends himself by saying sonic fans are review bombing their own game to make him and his fanbase look bad. I'm pretty sure after the whole xc3 situation nobody needs to make him look bad.
Video game dunkey fans are weird mutants that aren't human. Not only that video game dunkey to me kinda sucks.
Its because he acts like people are crazy for having fun with it. If dunkey finds it boring then its 100% boring with no room for debate.
his reviews are a joke in general, yeah he's trying to be funny while doing it but his takes on games are almost universally shit
Sonic Team listening to poor joking reviews is what set us back in quality for years.
Let me correct you.
Sega is what set us back.
I want to disagree, but this is the same company that let Arin "I hate 3D" Hanson be an ambassador for Sonic and the series, despite his numerous statements about how much he despises the series
Sonic Team seriously deserve so much better than what they get
Cope
@@kalemuncher9425 that dude is such a cancer to the gaming industry
That's exactly how we ended up with Shadow the Hedgehog game LOL
"Its a joke, calm down and relax"
Sega who sees the bad reviews: "and we took that personally" *proceed to scrap everything and make a different game in a short development time*
The one reason why Sonic fans got crazy about the reviews is because sega will listen to the bad reviews and try to play it safe
For example when Sonic 06 failed instead of Sega fixing their important mistakes they took out all the good parts of the game and called it a day so then for like 10 years we were stuck with really bad stories only sonic instead of improving the bad parts of playing as someone else or even an option and A LOT of 2d and nostalgia bait
I feel like Sega should listen to the type of criticism that is honest but also suggests certain improvements
@@fakebird000 Yea they seem to be going to the right direction for frontiers its not perfect but they are improving
they did early testing and followed advice to make the open world better and more fun
im sure sega will listen to "1 STAR BECAUSE OF DUNKEY"
@@lilyliao9521 im not talking about that they are a suck up to people like ign they dont care about youtuber reviews only major game journalists
Reviews don't matter, only sales do.
Didn't play the game. But I'm just tired of people with the "either is a masterpiece or is shit" mentality.
Me too i cant stand it anymore, nowadays if a game is not flawless it instantly means its bad and having a game that is just good it means its average at best
Fr, 7/10 is a good score. Don’t know why people are so riled about this.
@Shia Lebeouf: Life Coach oh, ok
@@slaviclad9705 Exactly.
@Shia Lebeouf: Life Coach So you're saying Sonic Frontiers is not a good game? If so, I disagree.
I think people are just concerned since this is probably considered by the fans as the "right path" for the series. The lower reviews, especially two Sonic games being included in the worst game of all time lists, actually caused Sega to change stuff and play it safe for the past decade. Not to mention, the director of Frontiers mentioned that they actually pushed for the 5 year dev time while the higher-ups are breathing down their necks. So Frontiers getting a lower and lower score would make the higher-ups be like "this is the reason why the longer development time was never worth it" and it's back to rushed games that play safe again.
Wait... This is what a "longer development time" got us?... Jesus fucking Christ, at this point just scrap the team all together. If they can only deliver a middling mess with that much time then just scrap the whole thing.
Fair point
Most people who've played have said its the right direction in the series
I don't think that particularly matters when revieweing a mid game and calling it mid, but just because it's not utter dogshit for once like the previous installments in the past decade that suddenly makes it deserving of higher ratings than what it is.
Who cares, Sonic's boring.
I think the main issue i have with Dunkey on this whole situation is how he handled the backlash
By saying sonic fans are intentionally review bombing the game to make him look bad.
When you look at the usernames and copy-pasted reviews, how could you _not_ think this is someone trying to make Dunkey look bad?
This whole time he was joking. That's his gig for so many years.
@@waxcutter9813 fr fr there's no way he isn't at least partly responsible for it
@@EnaTenkiyoGamer He says it's a joke when he gets backlash. When he doesn't get backlash he will claim that it is a genuine review. Really convenient.
@@infinitydragonoid2655 That is the definition of a well scouted troll.
My issue is Dunkeys fans send death threats to people who like games he shits on. Seeing JRPG fans get called pedos cause their funny youtuber man said it is disgusting. Guy really needs to reel his fanbase back.
Yeah i liked dunkeys video about xenoblade 3 and found it funny but because i actually liked the game people came after me lol so weird
The people in his Comment Section used the ol’ “Sonic Fans are just weird Gross Furries” insult to deflect any Criticism
Wow, Dunkey fostering a fanbase where people think his opinion is objective is such a shocker to me! All joking aside I could tell from his big mode announcement he might place a bit too much credit in his own opinions and his fans might reflect this newfound ego. Let’s hope Dunkey doesn’t get a video essay written about him and his ego down the road.
@@Terminal_Apotos i just checked and 90% dont.
I personally havent seen a single one calling them that, but i will give you the 10% benefit of the doubt
Though any proof that these people are from dunkeys fanbase?
At this point, sadly any game dev gets death threats for the most stupid of reasons. Also what is with that pedo part? Can you clarify?
I havent heard dunkey say anything about pedophiles in his video and i find it concerning how noone here second guesses
The thing is SEGA has a history of seeing reviews and completely scrapping ideas because of it. Sega is going in the right direction and this is telling them they aren’t. That’s why they’re worried
@Shia Lebeouf: Life Coach The wrong direction is the entirety of the 2010s period of Sonic.
While some care about score I think a good reason why people are concerned about the score for Frontiers is cause that’s what sega looks at when considering what to do with the next Sonic game, and if some of that is muddled with meme reviews, they think it could lead to Sega taking the wrong direction with the blue blur.
@House Mouse Main ok IGN.
From what ive seen, its not having a different opinion on the game. It's more of the influence that people like him have on the general reception of it, some people just can't think for themselves.
And I know thats mostly the individual's problem but showing the user score at the end of the video was SUCH an invite to review bomb for those specific people.
Making it worse that there's been no responsibility been taken at all for it and people aren't batting an eye because its sonic
👆 this needed to be said.
its not because tis sonic imo. the fact is nobody gives a fuck about user score of Metacritic or opencritic since all low scores are a result of review bombing. some of them justifiable others not so much. but most people dont give a shit for this scores. the most important user reviews are from the people that played the game, i.e. steam reviews.
This is almost reminding me of what happened with Kingdom Hearts 3. Now let me just say this. As a KH Fan I do like Kingdom Hearts 3 but its not perfect and it has its own issues, but man I seen so many hate videos on Kingdom Hearts 3. Its usually coming from people who don't understand what the game is all about and they haven't played any of the Kingdom Hearts games. Thats the thing that bothers me with some creators on RUclips. They usually just poke fun of a game and then decides to shame others because they enjoy the game but they don't. I am all for fair criticism but insulting people who like and enjoy games is going too far.
@@SoraFan23 As a KH fan who liked and understood the story well all the way up to 3D (yes I liked the story in DDD except for Sora's personality at some points since I love the organization and Xehanort and while there was a few retcons they fitted so well it felt like it was planned and some stuff was actually foreshadowed like the "half Xehanort" and Saix thing was foreshadowed in bbs) I sorta agree. Sorta because after DDD the story in my eyes took a dive, X, unchained and cross were great on their own but when that bled heavily into kh3 it just hijacked the story unfortunately and not in a good way.
So I didn't like kh3's story, gameplay was fine but had a lot of issues too. But I agree that the people criticizing the game didn't exactly go into the heart of the matter, some dabble on it but wasn't enough imo, I know someone who accurately described the issue with the gameplay but the story not so much, but there was a few people who gave fair criticism. Anyways I digress, I would write my issue with the story but I don't have the time rn nor do I want to make this comment 7 paragraphs long lol, is already long enough.
This is the exact reason why I don't take user reviews seriously anymore. Too many people in the gaming sphere are outraged way too easily because they listen to their favorite influencer without thinking for themselves. I don't know which game it was anymore but reading through some of the user reviews made me question if they even have the intelligence to start up the game correctly or even played the game themselves.
I swear to God not a Sonic Fanboy, I actually think Sonic Frontiers is decent. Not the best but pretty damn good.
HOWEVER Dunkey fans were review bombing the game for absolutely no reason, and in turn the Sonic Fanbase got a little annoyed with that. Personally I think that's fair.
Nothing against Dunkey himself, his video was funny.
It is fair but now people think the fan base is soft but we just want a good game and honestly I really love sonic frontiers my 2nd favorite but people shouldn’t review bomb cause they don’t like the company or the fandom
Except he had a tantrum on twitter and didn’t apologize. He said the review bombing werent his fans and were sonic fans trying to make him look bad, asshole
A descent sonic game is like giving a dying man in the Desert an oasis of crystal clear and pure water for the Fandom
Dude if you think someone named "DunkeyLover6000" is an actual person and not an account created to paint dunkey & his community in a bad light, then you need more social interaction because real people who aren't living 24/7 on the internet don't base their whole personality on someone else.
I have never played a single Sonic game but I can see myself trying Frontiers out if I had a little bit more disposable cash. From the gameplay I've watched so far I can say that it looks decent as well.
The creators for sonic frontiers look at reviews for feedback and ideas of what to do with future of franchise so bad reviews of a swarm of people who didnt even play it harm the chance the devs will think the community doesnt like it. Sega has removed sonic games from the store that didnt have high review scores before
I think a lot of it comes from that the Sonic Community has been shafted for so long, and has been so desperate to have their gaming franchise respected in the same way that other franchises have been for so long that any kind of negativity towards this game is in their eyes detrimental to building back Sonic's reputation.this game has to have a good reputation in the eyes of the gaming community in order for the franchise torecover
If the game wanted a good reputation it could have been good, if only sega waited 1 more year to develop the game it would be way more polished and not look like a ps3 game...
@@thechugg4372 It was still fun and had more effort put into it than most 3d titles in the last decade. also graphics aren't everything, the EDF series is a testament to that.
@@thechugg4372 I don't think it was a time-constraint problem. It's much more of a Manpower problem. Sonic team is only made up of a handful of people, And I have to work with what they're given. Sometimes that means reused assets, Sometimes it means taking 5 years to release a game.
And as for the graphical issues and it looking like a PlayStation 3 game, I think that's mostly due to the restraints that they have to deal with in relation to the Nintendo switch and how underpowered it is. Unfortunately for the franchise, Sonic sells best on the switch And Sega is well aware of that. The consul is only about as powerful as a 360 and as a result the games tend to suffer. Sonic is just a result of that.
As someone who just 100% the game on Steam yesterday and likes Sonic games but not all of them, the game was a very good experience for me. First Sonic game to actually make me care about the characters and they are all redeemed in their own ways imo.
Honestly I think it's the best Sonic game so far and I'm one of the "Sonic games haven't been good since Sonic Adventure and SA2" crowd (which I think is most people to be fair).
@@ryno4ever433 Yesss I totally agree! If I may be based I think it’s even better than the adventure games.
@@ryno4ever433 I think most people would say 3D Sonic games haven't been great since Generations
@@breamorrill Yea while I still enjoy the boost gameplay from Unleashed more, this game has some of the best gameplay and writing in a long time
@@zack502rh I never played Unleashed but I saw a minor reference in Frontiers, had to look up who a character was
I’m trying to contain the rabid Sonic fan in me, God help me if I go insane.
Stay strong brother o7
Persist comrade, we must practice restraint in times like these
Username checks out. He’ll do it!
You may have played too much sonic unleashed
Grow up
Looking at Dunkey fans, I honestly believe some of his fans would actually create an account and unironically call themself “dunkeyfan2000” just to leave a bad review.
Thing is the guy who did make it made it just to cause shit
Gotta disagree here. You have a lot of great points, but to keep it short, it’s sonic we’re talking about. Sega COMPLETELY changed sonic after black knight came out BECAUSE they actually listen. The review bombing sends false messages to sega, potentially destroying any momentum sonic is gaining at the moment. Dunkey’s video was fine, up until the very end where he shows the score for the game, compares it to other games with lower scores with sad music showing “this game should be this high” which obviously sends some of his rabid fans to review bomb the game. Then he acts like sonic fans are the ones actually review bombing the game to “make his fans look worse,” causing even more problems and refusing to accept that he caused it. That’s where the problem lies.
i do think he should tell his fans to chill, but i just hope that the small review bomb wont scare Sega away, since everyone who played it really liked Frontiers
Exactly. The fact that sonic team WILL AND HAS scrap a sequel because of bad reviews means that we take reviews very seriously
Why can't you guys just play the games and STOP BOTHERING what others think? Jesus Christ. Y'all are too damn sensitive.
Who are you disagreeing with? Did we watch the same video? I feel like Mutahar is in agreement with you dude.
@@SoraFan23 I don't think you caught the part where SEGA TAKES THE METACRITIC INTO ACCOUNT AND WILL ALTER TRAJECTORY IF IT"S TOO LOW.
it's been proven before as by Black Knight. This could absolutely kill future Sonic Game quality, making them throw with what they've done with Frontiers out the window.
That's what's got us worried.
I normally didn’t care about Dunkey’s hole video about the game in general. It’s his opinion and he can say and do whatever he wants.
But my biggest gripe is that this is the same guy that constantly talk about how UserScore and Metacritic should not be taken seriously while under the same breath have the audacity to compare Sonic Frontiers to other well known titles because those games have the same or lesser review score. It’s honestly more of a Coping take rather than an actual criticism.
But Nooooo, the game is getting review bomb, and rather than just take accountability and re-edit the video, he instead does a 4D Chess Conspiracy Theory rhetoric that “it’s the Sonic Fans review bombing the game they like, disguising themselves as my fans in order to make me look bad!”
He has never said review scores shouldn't be taken seriously.
@@glungusgongus He literally made a video criticizing both Video Game Review channels such as IGN and Gamespot as well as jabbing at the Gaming Community Opinion’s on certain game.
@@chronenojysk5107 ok
Thats just who he is, someone that refuses to take responsibility. IIRC when he did his xenoblade 3 """review""" he posted spoilers to his twitter immediately afterward, took them down later then said xenoblade fans were getting mad over his satirical video. He isn't a genuine person at all.
@@quazar3640 it's a no brainer that fans will be mad when you put spoilers in your video.
People often ask why I'm always disappointed, this is why.
Im sorry tails
We meet again in another comment section Tail's who's disappointed in my recent decision
The Sonic community will never be satisfied, it was said in the Bible and the 1st Amendment
Yeah, I’m disappointed in dunkey too. He used to be a good critic but it seems like he’s now just lying to get attention.
You gonna get trolled kiddo
Just goes to show the maturity of dunkys audience
or any critic tbh, I watch Anime, one of my fav is Sao, critics have actively made it look bad by pointing the most generic and over exaggerated problems in thr show that universally can be seen in any show, I've learned that critics are a. major reason. for the games being more shitty because most of them just disguise their opinions as facts but the rabid fanabse they've accumulated who just can't deal with some shows or games not being exactly how they want now bombard hate like nukes, jeez it's so annoying
@@exiledkenkaneki701 coming from someone who gave SAO a 10 and the other seasons (except 2 trash season) 8 or above; SAO's anime is trash. The Visual Novels are better because you actually get to experience Kaneki's thoughts which nullifies a lot of critiques about the anime.
@@exiledkenkaneki701 dude everyone knows that SAO is very mediocre.... it's funny how SONIC fans and weebs have no idea what good products are
@@Pegarexucorn I'm curious why it's suddenly trash from your 10 rating, feels way to unrealistic to me, because I ve watched others shows and my mind didn't change about them being far better shows, i just find then equally good but Sao far better because of music and specifically alicization arc
@@jesusbarrera6916 I don't think anyone who thinks he knows what good products are,actually knows what's he's talking about,( not a sonic fan and idky why you address me as " I like how weebs" as in you don't watch Anime but somehow know about what you're talking about??" every one" knows Sao is mediocre because of the critics not any objective analysis, yk it's a bad hate trend when thr critic in question ( Mother's basement) actually finds asuna slashing her swords in the opening as " bad" when her title is clearly lighting flash, so basically an ugly nitpick , smh, and the comments below will say the most outlandish bs like " why did no one use light Saber in ggo" and proceed to get a lot of likes like he said something actually worth anything, it's because of clear bias. adding " i like how weebs" doesn't make a statement true
Review bombing is one of the most immature ways to express your opinion about something. If you haven't played the game but don't like the company or the specific franchise or whatever, just don't review it or play it before reviewing it. I don't understand why people have such a problem with this kind of thing
Because things like LOU2 exist
Edit: Last of US 2
Review bombing can be helpful, however, if a game releases with some major technical issues. It's been useful to me when checking out new releases on Steam, seeing what the problem is, and judging whether or not that could be a problem I want to avoid. This is mostly useful with ports, and it even helps the developers who ported the game start working on patches ASAP.
Lero lero tu juego es mido
I don’t agree with review bombing but dunkey did have a good point that it wasn’t nearly as good as the games that had similar averages.
This is why I like Steam reviews. Sure there'a a lot of memes and try hard jokes, but at least it shows me how long someone has actually played the game and indicates they at the very least tried it. Metacritic is so unreliable for this very reason.
I have no problemn if people dislike or hate the game, but at the very least play it for yourself.
What's really sad to me is that after the success of sonic colors and generation it essentially kinda forced sega to play it REALLLY safe with sonic and not push new ideas forward that could potentially spice the series since alot critics tend to critize anything that's "not sonic"/"not speedy" and while yes sonic entire identity is basically his speed but I genuinely feel like this seriously limits of what he can experiment with its not so if the idea should always be focused around speed but more so how well executed that idea is (at least in opinion anyway) a good example of well executed idea was with the adventure games and especially unleashed sure adventure 1 kinda stumbled a bit with some playstyles (mostly Amy and especially big's playstyle) but nonetheless it did a decent enough job of having multiple characters with their own style of game play and the same thing can be said about unleashed sure the werehog has no business being in a sonic game but honestly (in my opinion) it did a very a good job of having a beat em up style of game play without disrupting the flow of the game too much sure the stages in that game go on for far too long but I personally don't think that's a bad thing it helps balance out the rather short day stages and thus it mask the game's otherwise short length if it was just the day stages but now different playable characters in a sonic games now just mostly sonic again but slightly different (like say classic sonic in generations or the custom avatar in forces) yes generally their fine enough in the their own right but it kinda killed off any semblance of variety since they don't exactly change up the game in any significant way to freshen things up which is why frontiers is honestly a massive step in the right direction for sonic but once again that's just my personal opinion on the matter
Oh so you liked the custom character on Frontiers?
For me it was the worst part of that game! The Sonic levels were fun but there were just too many levels of that character that doesn't play like Sonic AT ALL.
I think it suffered the same way as DMC4 and DMC5 did, the best levels are the ones you can play as Dante and everything else feels like a filler and is keeping you away from playing with the character you really want.
I would love to see 3D Sonic games adding variation in a similar manner the 2D games did. Take for example 3&K and Mania, most of the characters play just like Sonic but have one special skill that makes they different while Sonic can use the elemental shields.
But in the end of the day, they all feel like the same if you ignore these.
It still feels like playing Sonic.
IMO the 3D Sonic games should just follow the boost mechanics and some 3D platform sections not those 2D sections on Colors and Generations, 3D Sonic is heavy and controls bad in 2D.
I'm probably an exception but I really enjoyed Heroes and Lost World, a mix with that with the boost stages from Unleashed and Generations would be fine by me!
I think this new open world Sonic game is trying to catch the new fans that came from the movie as the aspect of having Sonic running around free everywhere looks just like the movies intro IMO.
Nothing "forced" Sega to do anything, they make the bad decisions all on their own.
I personally liked Sonic and the black knight and its fast combat system. It's nothing like early god of war games or dmc, you don't have many combos but damn you can be pretty fast in that game
The thing with Dunkey is his fans is uncontrollable. They don't take Dunkey's video a satire but they're treating it like a definitive review.
Like what happened to XC3. To this day, they're still getting harrassed for liking a JRPG just because one of their funny RUclipsr did it.
I'm pretty sure most of the drama started when review bombing started to come in and Dunkey gaslight Sonic fans claiming that the fans are review bombing it to make him look bad.
He was joking most likely, but that was probably the worst time to joke around about this stuff because his fans were review bombing a sonic game. A game series known for taking criticism the wrong way and regressing.
I raised an eyebrow after “never cared about the music in sonic”
but i stopped watching after “i wasn’t really paying attention to the story”
RUclips reviewers becoming IGN reviewers at this point.
I once did this in dmc5 at one point then I was like:
"WHY AM I FIGHTING CERBERUS WHAT THE FUCK"
@@urchin62 but a review should at least look at what they are playing. And no the its just a joke isn't going to work because he switches from serious review to joke review depending on the backslash
@@urchin62 yeah because not everyone actually pays attention to the game they are playing. they put it on the game's fault that their attention span is lacking.
The problem I see here, has to do with the perception of the score. An overall score of 70 shouldn't be a bad grade, I think it's fair considering the game's issues (pop-ing, weird physics, poorly done open world). However, the Metacritic score makes the game appear to be on the same level as games like COD Vanguard, Gotham Knights, and Battlefield 2042 (some examples of games scoring close to 70). Which is baffling, considering those games are generally worse experiences, than Sonic Frontiers.
Now the user score in Metacritic, has always been problematic to say the least, since there is not a filter of some sort etiquette required to post. Wich is fair, is the user score after all. But tends to make the reviews not as fair as they should be and creates conflicts between people because of their opinions.
Do you really believe that the 'sonic community' went out of their way to review bomb sonic because of Dunkey review? If that isn't reaching idk what is; considering the community has been doing nothing but recommend the games from good to worst case by case. Call me a conspiracy theorists or a hater or whatever but it all seems like this is all coming from Dunkey own community. *Not like they haven't done this stuff before because believe me they have whenever Dunkey doesn't like anything. But play it off as satire.*
Edit: by further investigations it wasn't cause by the sonic fandom or dunkey fans but ppl from 4chan that hated dunkey (they're not even fans of sonic bruh) 💀
Dunkey is being satirical, his fans aren’t.
@@dariusbrown7870 no himself is also not satirical he uses that as a shield
Or maybe you know, the game isn’t that good
@@Optimusprime56241 game pretty good actually not even a big fan of sonic
@@maxalstar low ass standards fr
a lot of times I will see a review calling something the worst thing ever made and then I experience that thing for myself, and it turns out it isn't that bad after all. Not everyone is so particular and discerning
a lot of people think that reviews are objective facts. when in reality the experience of a tittle is dependent on the player, the types of games they like or dislike, and sometimes even other unique factors such as life conditions can alter how one enjoys a game. Which is why i always take skill up's reviews over everyone elses, not because he is better but cause i share the same likes and dislikes in gaming. And even so you might disagree with these reviewers because of individuality of the experience.
I once saw a review saying Elden Ring was going to be the end of gaming because it was "too good". Positive and negative reviews can both be utterly ridiculous.
@@zenixkiryu elden ring aint so good
For me personally, I only get annoyed with unfair game reviews because the developers of said game will take what those reviews say to heart. So if a review talks badly about a certain aspect I like in X game, that means we won't get to see that aspect return in future games of that franchise. Like when people complained about multiple playable characters in Sonic games being a bad thing, that upset me because I actually love being able to play as different characters in Sonic games, but now we don't see that anymore *because* of those complaints.
I want to make something clear though, I didn't join in on any of the negativity surrounding this game.
I think the best reviews are on Steam. Sure, you still have review bombs, but you can always see how much time the reviewer has played and read the reviews which are rated and sorted.
Also, summaries are in words (like overwhelmingly positive), which imo works better for user reviews than points.
100% agreed! Best review system anywhere, a number says nothing.
I agree. Steam has always been my go to after certain RUclipsrs. Though, I’m not a fan of the checklist formula though. It doesn’t really tell me anything about the game or those experience. However, there was one for metal gear rising that had every check for music, gameplay, story, etc as “metal gear rising” that’s the only good one.
@@TuShan18 Yeah I also hate those checklist ones, but it's like 1 checklist per 10 good reviews on most games.
@@Astra3yt yea, at least I only see like one or two.
You can still review bomb on steam though, last one I can remember getting bombed on steam though was assassins creed origins because of loot boxes in a single player game.
Edit: didn't see that he said their was still review bombs.
What pisses me off is ppl complain about it while not playing it and they need RUclipsrs to tell them what’s good or bad in life the game is good lol all in all with flaws it’s the best modern sonic game 3D wise
I love the Sonic 3D games. Secret Rings, Black Knight, Unleashed, and Generations I grew up playing. As a kid, I had no idea so many people thought it was cheeks based on the reviews I saw. None of the reviews made sense to me, so I know what you mean when you say taking reviews less seriously
the reason why sonic fans pay attention to reviews so much is because we know the reviews don't matter to us when it comes to trying the games and forming our own opinions, its because Sega cares alot and have shown that they will change the whole tone of the series on a dime if the reviews aren't good, so dunkey fans review bombing the game had people worried. Sega takes the reviews seriously and changes accordingly, and right now we have something good going and seeing that changed cause Sega got the wrong idea would suck.
I see what you mean now
CircletoonsHD put it best: "a 7/10 for sonic games it a perfect game for the fanbase"
Agreed. Playing the game now, it's a good, not great Sonic game. But it is showing potential for some growth.
Completely agree that people need to not take reviews seriously. My only complaint about the situation is Dunkey pretending it's not actually his fans review bombing the game, there are trolls doing it for sure but to say after flashing review scores up of games he deems better then Sonic Frontier's, then the score Sonic got for sure got some of his fans to give it a 0. It feels like Dream saying "I never told my fans to dox anyone, I just blasted them online publicly for making fun of me and it just happened!" Dunkey isn't responsible for what people who watch his video do, but it would have just been nicer if he said he doesn't condone the behavior and will be more careful with his messaging next time instead of pretending that he had 0 part to play in the review bombing.
I honestly enjoyed Frontiers. The only problems I really had with the game were parts of the 3rd Island and the final boss. Overall I had fun with it but I think people should form their own opinion about the game before judging it.
Bro, I would agree that it doesn't matter, but Sega will see those low review scores and completely scrap EVERYTHING that was good in sonic frontiers. They done it twice before.
Muta will never recognize the god like music of sonic unleashed
Rare Muta L to be honest, Sonic Frontiers music is a banger but he might be into other stuff tbh
every sonic ost is amazing, i've done my research.
The final advice that Muta had right there at the end can be applied to any fanbase in general. Just enjoy yourselves and don't be a*holes.👍
[Sorry for long comment]
- Imagine liking a Franchise
- This Franchise has a bad product
- This bad product makes the entire Franchise be taken as a joke, by everyone. No matter if the Franchise releases a good product after that.
- Critics are harsh on the products your franchise releases, and the company that makes the products listen to them, scratching everything and going for the ''Safe route'' and making ok-ish and some mediocre games.
- If you like the Franchise people make fun of you.
- People say the Franchise never was good or has more bad products than good ones.
- If you say something against that, no one will take you seriously because ''You are a fan of that franchise, you know nothing''
- People say your Fanbase is toxic and the worst ever, just because of the loud minority, and you can't say nothing about it, because ''Heh, look at this fan of this franchise, am I right?''
- Years go by, and not even critics are able to let go of *that one bad product* and keep taking jabs at the franchise left and right.
- It all gets really tiring, but then the Company decides to be serious about it, and you finally get a glimpse of Hope, a return to the good old days, but then you see the cycle starting to happen again, and you are filled with concern about the future.
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Like, I understand the fear the Fans have about it, they don't want to go back to the safe ''meta era'' days, they want Great Games, not ok-ish mediocre experiences, and with a company that listens to the critics and overall reception, seeing the negative reception (That some of it being unjustified) fills the fans with desperation.
But at the end of the day:
"Heh, 'Sonic Fans' am I right? hahahaha"
Add on to that people making misconceptions like the transition to 3D was rough, when another franchise who does the exact same thing doesn't get targeted on, and people say there fans but they think there's nothing for it.
I can attest to the importance of not placing so much value on reviews. There have been so many times when I've played an amazing game or seen a really fun movie and found out that the internet collectively hates it. Doesn't take away from my enjoyment. People can hate it and that's literally fine. People like what they like and dislike what they dislike.
I just hope Sega will stop listening to Metacritic. I want my Sonic Unleashed PC port one day. 😞
I just hope this isn't the last 3D sonic game.
it will go on forever
Sonic frontiers 2 in like 4 years
Definitely not, sonic team already talking about how they're gonna make the next game even better
I think people should actually read reviews and not look at the number. Its helped me out a lot with games to figure out the good and bad parts people generally agree on, and then decide whether or not its worth it from there
Honestly I'm not that mad at the score going down. What's got me mad is how Dunkey handled the aftermath.
Did he take responsability? Nope, he made some conspiracy theory that Sonic fans are review bombing their own game to make him look bad.
Honestly sonic fans are autistic enough to do something like that.
It’s dunkey he is known to be like this lot he and his crazy ass fanbase that cant think on there own
Exactly. I didnt like his video but was willing to just forget it and move on. His response is just illogical deflecting and trying to paint an entire community in a bad light.
@@evandaymon8303 I'm guessing that they're mostly teenagers, not that it excuses it or anything.
@@Capydapy usually younger age groups you are correct
I personally am not the one to like people who dislike a game because it's different, maybe it's not what you expected but if you enjoy the overall experience I think that's what matters
Can't help but feel like you've missed the mark here Muta.
Like, do you seriously believe the Sonic Fandom decided to group and hate bomb a game that you yourself said they love, just make Dunky look bad because he gave a dumb review? Or is it more likely Dunkys fans watched his video up to the end where he said "Hey look at this games score, this is a poopy game i think it should be lower hehee" and went and downvoted it? I'll give you a hint, it's not the sonic fans.
Sonic fans didn't get upset on twitter about Dunkys review, they went "Okay don't let Dunkys review spoil your enjoyment of the game." Then a few hours later, they got upset AFTER they saw the game being disliked bombed, and it got worse when Dunky started playing the victim and trying to blame Sonic fans for making him look bad. Plus isn't Dunky a publisher now or something? This is kind of ridiculous for him to be acting like this
3:50 bro........Sonic Heroes & Sonic Adventure 2 had the best music
adventure 1: am i a joke to you?
Just looking at the thumbnail, all I have to say is: a 72 isn't that bad.
it has 95 on steam last time i checked
This honestly wouldn't be a problem if it were literally any other company than Sega. The problem lies in that its Sega. Most people complain that these companies, especially Japanese game companies, don't listen to complaints or pay attention to reviews at all. Like say this was the new Pokemon game that comes out in like 4 days. Gamefreak and the Pokemon Company notoriously don't give a fuck about what people complain about or want in the games, ESPECIALLY people who are old enough to use review sites like metacritic. They have repeatedly made this clear by cutting fan favorite mechanics, areas, and events from games.
The problem with Sega is they are the EXACT opposite. They listen too much to reviews. They have cancelled entire games because of negative reviews and wildly changed their formula to try and "fix" complaints.
Herein lies the problem with Dunkey. I'm a long time dunkey fan dating back to when he was the definitive League of Legends RUclipsr. The fact that he could completely drop the game that made him popular, and somehow become EVEN more popular afterwards, is impressive by itself. HOWEVER, that series of events is already indicative of how Dunkey can manipulate his fans into doing stuff without ever actually telling them to do it. The whole reason Dunkey left League is because he got banned for literally telling a guy who was inting his game to go get gunned down in the streets like the degenerate he was (almost exact quote), and then had the balls to try and get Riot to remove his ban on the grounds that he was a famous youtuber. It remains one of the ONLY times ONLY TIMES that Riot fucking Games has ever made the right decision about literally fucking anything. It wasn't even a permanent ban, and yet he made like a 10 minute video where he threw a temper tantrum about Riot not giving him preferential treatment and removing the ban he RIGHTFULLY earned, culminating in him announcing he'd never make League content again. In said video, he never directly tells people to stop watching funny league videos or anything. But they did. It's considered one of the most important moments in the League RUclips community because it marked a permanent shift from people making funny comedic videos to just editing and posting stream highlights. He basically killed the career of all of his peers who couldn't or wouldn't follow him to other games or make the shift to stream highlights.
Dunkey is one of the last remaining vestiges of the "RUclips Golden Era". While he was never ever close in popularity to people like Idubbz, Filthy Frank, or others, his brand of humor and such remains similar. And the Idubbz comparison is surprisingly similar, because, whenever Dunkey posts a negative video about a game, that game is flooded with negative reviews from his fans. Just like how Idubbz viewers would mass unsubscribe from the people he did Content Cops on even though those old videos never explicitly told them they needed to stop watching or unsub from those people. It happened with Octopath, it happened with Xenoblade, it's happening again with Sonic Frontiers. It'll happen again unless he straight up tells people to stop doing it. Which he never will because, much like those other "Golden Era" RUclipsrs, his audience is mostly toxic assholes and edgy kids who would completely turn on him the minute he did something they didn't like.
Really?
I need to see that vid.
It happens because those fanbases are all openly sensitive and insecure, thus they attract trolls. You do it to yourselves.
This might be a bigger hit on Dunkey's reputation over the Sonic fanbase honestly - casuals following Dunkey too much and not thinking for themselves
This video is 4/10 I wasn't paying attention, but the comment section here was really good.
He talking shit about the Sonic music really made me dislike the video like WTF Sonic music is one of the best things about game.
@@MasterSparkZe i feel the same way, but tbf he did say he "doesn't care for it" he didn't say it was good or bad/
Nah, Dunkey knew what he was doing at the end of his video and is trying his best to blame the Sonic Fandom because his brain dead Stans are doing his work to lower the score. I don't care if he makes fun of any game, but that user score bit came off as petty.
It really proved that they don't matter in the slightest since people aren't efficient enough to indicate what's actually a quality creation or idea.
I thought he showed the other scores off because those were well made, polished games that were scored lower than the mediocre, buggy mess he just played through. Doesn't justify the review bombs, but you can't hold dunkey accountable for internet trolls.
@@bingdiggus8579 Completely agree, don't know what the people in the comments are huffing.
@Bing Diggus he didn't call out his fans for review bombing and blamed Sonic Fans for it. It's not hard to call out your own fans for taking the ending the wrong way.
@@jewelsdragonfly The game deserves low reviews lol, sonic fans are the ones huffing glue trying to convince themselves the game isn't a mess because they've been so desperate for any content whatsoever for so long. You're not responsible for what your audience does, people will do whatever they want either way.
With Sonic, the series has radically changed directions because of review scores so that's why fans are more reactive to reviews
I'm just happy a sonic game is decent for once
Same bud
Meanwhile you have sonic fan games which are way more fun then frontiers and more innovative.
@Thechugg I'm not including fan games let me enjoy this
@@thechugg4372 are you forgetting about sonic omens which plagiarized music and sexualized a 12 year old
@@hellnah804 Wtf is this guilt by association idiocy? This isn't China.
you missed the mark here a bit muta. the issue actually stems from dunkey's fan base. at the end of his video he put up sonics meta critic score and compared it to elden ring, botw, and red dead with sad music playing. there was a strong implication that sonic should not be rated higher than the aforementioned games. the review bombs are not coming from sonic fans they are coming from dunkey fans mad that the game's score is higher than their fav games.
I have no skin in this as i have not played sonic but that is just what it seems like to me.
he used his fans like a weapon, what an asshole.
I don't see the problem? It's his opinion (and mine) that frontiers being anywhere close to the games he listed is laughable, and it's fine to articulate that in his review.
@@link9547 the problem is when he shows his fanboys that it's doing better that the games their favorite youtuber likes, they feel the need to review bomb it without even playing the game, and have you played frontiers? or you formed your opinion through youtube?
@@Safalmao if you consider how many views his video got vs how little people actually review bombed, i really don't think he did anything wrong.
Also no, i havent and will not buy the game, i have played some older sonic games that are acclaimed by fans such as Adventure 2 and Unleashed and hated them, theyre on my list of worst games ive played and based on hours of footage ive seen of frontier, it's no different.
@@link9547 Personally I wouldn't care if he just said letter "don't review bomb the game" after his fans started doing so. It was a funny part of the video that some of his fans took to heart, not really his fault. Instead what Dunkey did was say... it was Sonic fans review bombing their own game to make him look bad? Like, I never like to use this saying, but that's some mental gymnastics.
I agree with some of the comments of the original video, I feel Muta made a big mistake by sleeping on the story. Gameplay isn't the only driving factor of a game. Story matters as well.
I *LOVE* that we are in an Era where a 6/7 out of 10 is considered a low score. Amazing!
No shade, mad respect to sonic fans for staying so faithful to the series. They never lose hope the next Sonic game is going to be the one to redeem them all.
I get why people are upset for sure, and review bombing is a shitty thing to do, but personally I haven't even looked at the reviews for Frontiers. I just played it and I had a lot of fun. It had issues for sure but its just a fun experience.
Sonic fans weren’t really mad that Dunkey didn’t like the game. They are mainly upset about his fans review bombing the game and about Dunkey accusing Sonic fans of review bombing the game to make his fans look bad.
Exactly
@@deadinside8891 sonic pfp spotted
did he really get people to review bomb it because that post on twitter he made seem like a joke of sorts.
@@roshshow But if it's true that his fan review bombed it and dunkey accusing the sonic community instead and defending his fans behaviour, then that's really bad don't you think?
It's almost like dream defending his fans bad behaviour.
Every time a sonic game gets released it is bad, and sonic fans will cry and scream and say it’s great, and a few months later everyone forgets the game even exists.
I absolutely loved Sonic Frontiers. I love it enough to buy it on more than one console and play it again. But I do worry Dunkey's fanbase will ruin Sonic's odds of getting another game.
I like how pretty much all the top comments disagree with the video lol. I hope Muta makes a second video about this
I don't think he will do a second video lol, Muta's opinion isn't like super wrong here (except about the music, Muta really be one deaf motherfucker if Sonic music is mid to him but looks like he's dying on that hill and I respect that), he just doesn't know what review bombing implies when it comes to Sonic and SEGA, and that is a whole different story which I doubt he'll touch upon, he might just make a throwaway comment about the situation if it gets any follow up but for now it is what it is.
you know your opinion is completely invalidated if you say the game is mid and trash because your favorite youtuber said so and not because you actually played the damn game and have your personal reasons to say it's bad.
jesus christ people STOP worshiping any youtuber's opinion over anything, if someone likes a fuckin' VIDEOGAME let them have their fun, there's no right or wrong opinions, it's just opinions in general
Sonic Frontier is pretty good. Probably the best Sonic game since Sonicmania. The best one created from Sonic Team in decades
I know I already made a comment with a dumb joke, but does anyone think Dunkey has been getting very aggressive lately? I wouldn’t mind a review I disagree with either, but why does it seem like he wants to actively provoke the sonic and xenoblade fanbases in the process?
That was a very bold and brave statement about saying you haven't been too on the music of Sonic. Huge respect considering the games 9 out 10 times the game has stellar music and you aren't about it.
I know right? Clearly this guy doesn’t pay attention to the Sonic sound track.
More like 9.99 out of 10 times
its important because SEGA is very sensitive. this is their first good sonic game after a long long time. they really need to know at the very least they are in the "good path" i guess.
In general when it comes to reviews I take everything with a massive grain of salt; like for Harvestella (which is considered average or pretty solid but nothing special) I took a look at the outlook of game from the general publics view just to gauge what things people liked and didnt like to decide if theres anything that sticks out to me as something that would throw me off from the game. About a week in and Harvestella is one of my favorite games this year, definitely revitalized a bit of my farming sim fix.
I do understand why some people may put alot of stock in reviews, though, considering most people cant really afford to just toss cash at games so they try to go for games that are generally considered great/amazing. For people that were already playing the game to begin with, though, those people are just weirdos in my eyes LMAO
The problem is that last bit of Dunkey's video. It was clearly meant to incite review bombing, and him blaming sonic fans for doing so is just sad.
No it wasn't
Its actually more sad that you are trying to shift the blame to someone else instead of actually holding the ones that did it responsible.
@@TheDragon975 There's a reason why we use the term "Influencers" when referring to social media celebrities...
I watched the video and it sounded satirical tbh. The problem is he didn't reel his fans in or clear it up by saying "bro its just satire" or "its just a joke bro". Other people have also stated that the video is a joke but his twitter reply might just indicate that he might be serious or just wanted to feed the flames.
Can we just blame his fans instead? His video was fine. HIs response after was... yikes, but the video itself was still fine.
Sega on its way to kill further Sonic Frontiers support, “loose” source code, scrap plans for a sequel, and green light Forces 2 because of the reviews
I always take reviews with a grain of salt. There has been countless times where reviews for a game were bad and I end up loving the game lol
People always expect every game to be perfect. They always compare games like God of War and Red Dead Redemption because they have so much higher scores. Here is the reality not everyone likes these games and that is okay, its their opinion. No game is designed to please everyone.
Still doesn't excuses IGN's review on Unleashed.
No, Sonic Frontiers isn't perfect, and I love it. I also don't go looking at game reviews with an exception of Angry Joe.
But u mention dunkey...
Problem with dunkey isn't that he has an opinion. But that he is a hypocrite. Dude after the video, went on twitter and started saying that he is baffled by people crying that he made negative video about sonic, meanwhile... at the end of the same video, he cried that Sonic got better user score than Elden Ring or Hades... kinda pathetic. Also when he defended TLOU2 like a fking spartacus he cried about people hating the game, and that is just hilarious that this dude has audacity to say that "others are crying cause someone has different opinion" and going full Alex Jones with some conspiracy theories that "sonic fans are giving 0/10 to Sonic Frontiers to own him". The ego of that dude is just wild.
Also presenting the game unfairly, shows bias that he holds against Sonic games. When every other game is able to get his actual review, this one gets only "Me breaking the game as much as I can" compitalion. And bunch of geniuses in comments saying "Yep, it's sonic, knew it's going to be sht"...
The story has some genius writing in my opinion and lets Sonic's friend's characters finally actually interact with sonic. Like there is a cut scene where tails asks sonic if hes a burden to him and sonic says no you are strong you've saved station square, a call back to an event from sonic adventure, and then tails replies with well then I'm wildly inconsistent. Calling out the inconsistent writing of tails and other sonic characters throughout the years. The game was written by Ian Flynn a writer for the sonic comics so he has been trying to merge together the inconsistencies and events of the part 25 years of sonic games and he has a great understanding of Sonic himself. There are more great moments in the Sonic Frontiers writing connecting past lore, funny jokes and meta commentary on the franchise as well as character interactions sonic fans have wanted for a long time even though they interactions are with 3 of sonic's closest friends. Even though the story isn't grandiose action, adventure, emotionally driven masterpiece it is really good and I'm sure anyone who cares about sonic and his characters will absolutely love the story.
I swear to god I predicted all of this the very second i saw the dunkey tweet, i knew his fans would just shit on all the sonic games and fans just because they can’t make their own opinions
The issue isn't Dunkey's response to the game nor his fans blindly hating it, but the negative reviews themselves. Sega has a long history of taking fan snd critics feedback to heart when it comes to Sonic games, and they are known to throw away a good game formula, instead of improving what they already have, and restart from scratch because of bad reviews. This was Sega's modus operanti throughout the 2010's.
Sonic Unleashed (2008) had a good gameplay formula, the last AAA Sonic game, but reviewers trashed the game saying the story was too bad, too many characters, etc. Sonic 4 Episode I got massive praise for being a mediocre 2D game with only Sonic and no story. Colors got praise for having simple story and dumbed down Boost gameplay. Lost World (2013) was made because critics started having the boost gameplay and praised the nostalgia pandering from Generations. Sonic Boom was made because after LW critics were tired of Sonic. Forces was made fans demanded a serious Sonic game, but critics also wanted Generations 2, and Sega couldn't risk another serious storyline because critics hated all Sonic games with serious stories.
“Nor his fans blindly hating it” our answers usually lie in front of us, if you can say that you’re clearly biased. Yes coming from a Dunkey video enjoyer
Ay Edit Your Comment And Put The Best Boost Game Sonic Generations
Like many other have said i dont care that people dont like the game thar's completely fine it isn't perfect at all, it's really just the fact that dunkey's actions basically were an invitation to his fans to go review bomb the game, which is bad for sonic especially because SEGA has been incredibly notoriously bad at taking criticism and getting the wrong things from it
I don't take reviews seriously either nowadays, if I watch a trailer and it doesn't interest or impress me, then I'm not interested. But, this is Sega who has a bad habit of scraping past ideas from games which did review poorly, where future titles would then suffer like Forces. I do plan to play Frontiers in the soon future, cause I like the trailers, and gameplay previews. Like I hope we get of the open-ish world gameplay over the recycled boost gameplay. I really hope Sega, listens to good and honest reviews, for the future of their mascot. Also, to people who have yet play Frontiers, just play, give it a try. Don't let reviews like Dunky tell you otherwise, like yall need to make your own minds.
I'm having a genuinely fun time with Sonic Frontiers so far. It's a shame that Dunkey's review of the game has inadvertently painted the game in a negative light for those who haven't played it yet.
I was already being negative about it before the review came out.
This is because of Dunkey's "review"?
Somehow that figures.
really weird how people take dunkeys satire as gospel, so strange
Dunkey's are very biased, if he doesn't like a genre or a game he makes it sound so bad.
@@willhugs2748 well I bet his fan base is at least 70% 13-18 year olds. Not the most mature audience
Yeah user scores are something and I guess nothing at the same time. The real insult to injury for me is the fact that Frontiers DID NOT GET ONE SINGLE NOMINATION. The way I see it, either The Game Awards takes review sites like Metacritic seriously, or people just saw Frontiers as another crappy Sonic game...but really the system's just rigged. Every year that has gone by, I'm showing less and less interest in TGA for shit like this. I predict I'm just going to treat it like the SuperBowl in the near future and just watch a trailer compilation of the upcoming games and devices.
TGA still exists?
User scores are so arbitrary and useless. My favourite examples are Elden Ring and Last of Us 2. Elden Ring was negatively review bombed because "too hard, game bad". Last of Us 2, regardless of your thoughts on the quality of the game, was review bombed before it even came out, which led to positive review bombing in retaliation. The user score is completely fucked as a result
To be brutally honest this game looks rad and all but this in not even nomination territory.
You're kidding right? Sonic frontiers is better than what we've gotten in a while from sega, but a fangame could still be better than it. It is not game awards worthy.
pretty good game but not at all game of the year nomination worthy.
With how he handled it on Twitter, my best guess is that he's so used to people hating him in the gaming community that he just assumed this was no different. Which is a shame if that's the case, because it's kind of a stupid way of living life to just always assume the worst from people.
I mean, people review-bombing a game from a series they enjoy just to make a RUclips celebrity look bad???? I know this is the internet, but come on man.
You'd think that in the age of consistent updates and improvements that game review websites would have segmented review scores based on versions being released.
I don't use them and never really have, so maybe they do. I'm not sure.
Funny how to user score dropped as soon as dunker dropped his video
that was gonna happen regardless
Hmm... wonder why that happened. Coincidence? Or just his fans who have never even seen a clip of the game besides the dunkey video let alone play the game. Probably a coincidence
@@DeathsWhistle the problem is the end of his video where he compares the reviews to other games like elden ring..
Sonic fans still see a 7 as a 10
I'm glad I don't forge my opinions on games based on reviews, I try to look for gameplay of said game and watch it until I feel like I'm sure I'll enjoy it. I also feel like most reviews are either overwhelmingly positive or aggressively negative.
@SomeOrdinaryGamers We weren’t mad that he didn’t like the game we were mad that he was unable to access parts of the game due to not playing it correctly and then labeled it as a broken game
Imagine needing a manual to play a Sonic game.
SMFH.
He didnt do that.
@@glungusgongus jfc dunkey fans are defensive youve replied to like every comment here
@@quazar3640 I think Dunkey likes Mario a lil too much dont really give a fuck about the guy honestly
Yeah the game has its problems but i think review bombing it is way too harsh imo, i still feel like with a few updates for the pop in and other little issues, i think this game would be even better for me as a sonic fan
The point of a review is to give your honest feelings on a game. If you think the game is garbage, then give it a bad review. What's the problem with that?
@@Breadn you actually have to play the game that’s why it’s called “review” not your random opinion on random media you know nothing about, we call that review bombing but if you played the game and think it’s trash then that’s valid if you played more than 30 minutes, which is why I put more stock in steam reviews because the play time is showed and you can weed out the trolls and salty haters from the legitimate criticism
That's the thing, objectively the game really isn't that good but I'm sure it's a good sonic game from the fan's reaction and I understand that as I have personal favourites that are of the worst-rated games ever.
@@Bluelightzero
I would be pretty pissed if I had to pay 60$ for a glorified tech demo.
@@Ristyo1992 what defines this game as a tech demo.
Sonic and the Black Knight is STILL to this day my favorite Sonic game. I don't care what people say-- I will swear by it for it's story-telling and god-tier soundtrack.
Because it's a good game. People just don't like what's unfamiliar to them so they didn't vibe with the odd control schemes of Black Knight. But yeah I agree with you Black Knight has an amazing story, great soundtrack, and honestly fun gameplay if you put down preconceived "what Sonic should be/what I want Sonic to be" notions
My favorite game is sonic rush
Sonic fans are worried if critics turn things into bad scores. We DO NOT want another o6 situation AT ALL.
You'd be absolutely correct that reviews cannot and should not take away our enjoyment from games. HOWEVER, the core Sonic community is always concerned that the series is on thin ice. They have abandoned successful game ideas and formulas before, which needed just a bit more refinement in a follow-up game to be truly excellent. Fans are concerned that tearing a game apart by having people just watch dunkey's nitpicking compilation and going to leave it a 0/10 would make SEGA force Sonic Team to go back to playing it safe instead of letting them build up from what many deem is a great foundation.
This game is so good, way better than the previous game forces. We basically got scammed out of 2 highly anticipated boss fights (shadow and chaos) we had a very promising villain (infinite) but he got bad writing . Sonic frontiers was way better, they used super sonic properly and made him a huge part of the game instead of a last resort. Then we have the characters, we already know about Amy, Tails, Eggman and Sage. We didn’t even expect knuckles (unless you have watched his video before the release) and they got good writing, their relationships were better than ever, Amy growing up from his addiction to sonic, Knuckles starting to realize the importance of friendship abit and I can’t really describe Tails yet since I didn’t complete island 3. Also another small remark, there was something about Giganto always popping up in the trailers (Giganto is the first boss btw) and I could guarantee that we thought it was gonna be the final boss because he showed a very threatening vibe. And guess what, we got tricked and he turned out to be the FIRST boss fight, with probably the most iconic theme in the game that it is even a meme. People should just look on the bright side of things for once.
Meanwhile Fnaf community: We had so many masterpieces but review bombs, unfair reviews, and youtubers that act like abusive ex's negatively impact the reviews. But we're still loving the game anyway and not acting like its perfect.
That's because Scott didn't take the reviews too seriously and didn't downgrade the future games because of it.
Scott didnt see the bad reviews as "lets start from scratch, lets play it safe"
as a sonic fan i didnt care if the story was good im just happy it dident suck for once after more than 10 years
Feel like we are back to the whole Death Stranding situation all over again. Never have a seen a gaming community this polarized over a game and someones reviews.
It’s fine cuz both of them were horrible reviews and dunkey has a brain dead fan base which accepts and does whatever dunkey wants them to
@@LTDLetsPlays There is a different between giving a honest review on a game and then there is shamming others for enjoying the game. Both of them don't mix well.
well you never saw because when sega sees these reviews they take them to seriously and when the reviews are too negative they just scrap the whole idea instead of improving on it and then making another formula that just sucks and doesn't work for sonic.
@@LTDLetsPlays Some people think your favorite games suck, grow up and deal with it.
no one talks about how fun sonic unleashed was
Peak gameplay
@@Excelsior_Espio Werehog
@@squeaks5677 get good