And the broadcasters got the name wrong. The pitcher wasn’t Phil Niekro, but his brother Joe Niekro. Both used the knuckle ball, though Phil had a much better one.
I’m a Royals fan and that George Brett moment was the most funniest thing ever in history 🤣 he ran out there faster then the speed of light. A moment we will never forget 😂
I honestly wouldn’t call that cheating. A lot of bats were like that. The team waited until he’d hit off them and then called it. That’s why now the bay is thrown out of the game not the player.
@@lscales6131 Apparently the President of the American League overruled the umpires after the fact because Pine tare (Which was the bat to help the batters grip) did not help the ball fly out. So, the game was restarted some time later in the ninth and the Royals ended up winning the game.
Lol he threw the stuff on the ground as a diversion, watch his left hand and you can see him pull something from his back pocket and try to slip it to the teammate on his left.
It's actually 35 years ago when Joe Niekro got caught using an emery board. It's a classic moment in baseball history and what lead to one of the better referee stare down EVER ! Pause it at 1.42m . Tim Tschida who was only 27 years old showed why he was selected to such a young age to be part of Major League Baseball. History showed that he made the right call ! Classic .
The “Pine Tar Incident” as it has become known, should not be on this list. Pine tar, while it is supposed to be limited, does not help a bat hit a ball farther. It’s used to help a player’s grip, and if anything, pine tar is so sticky that it would hinder the effectiveness of the bat in question. The Royals protested the game, and the protest was sustained, and the two teams finished the remainder of this game, which the Royals wound up winning. The umpires actually had to use two different rules to arrive at their decision, and the rule book was updated after that season. Now, if there is too much pine tar on a bat, and the other team protests, as the Yankees did, the bat is removed from the game, with no penalty to the batter, since pine tar is not like corking a bat. George Brett got a little carried away in applying the pine tar, but he wasn’t cheating. The plate was used as a makeshift ruler. And players still legally use the pine tar. The home run counted, and there was no further sanction on Brett. Today, he would just have to fetch another bat.
@@elihernandez800 sour ass Yankees fan. Y'all have been caught cheating more than anybody. Their argument is literal BS. They were just mad he crushed that ball at such an important moment.
@gottiline I love when losers like you hate on the Yankees and make up things like “the Yankees have cheated more than anyone” when what you are really saying is “I’m salty about the Yankees winning all the time.” Royals cheated and Eli was right...rules are rules.
Ha niekro's throw was pathetic "I got nothing in my hand... no you didn't see that, what are you talking about? I didn't throw that? Me? CHEAT?!?" It's a "no way that's not mine officer, I don't have any drugs!" Kinda move lol
One funny thing about the Pine Tar Incident was when Brett shot out like a bullet, the brothas to his left were like "Nah, man. I'm not about to get in the middle of that..."
When the dude tried to toss the file it looks like with his other hand he passed something into the glove of the team mate standing next to him. You can tell both hands are trying to find something in the back pockets. I think there may have been even more to that then it seemed. I'm surprised looking at the footage afterward no one else questioned that. The more I've watched it the more I'm convinced he got away with handing something to the other guy.
You can see the catcher walk up to him and tap him when he pulled out that card or paper the trick is to have something innocent in one pocket pull it out show it to everyone and then toss it or drop it and then your teammate picks it up off of the ground to distract everyone’s attention while you toss or drop or hand off whatever it is your hiding to the closest teammate whoever is in on it will usually step on what ever it is and twist there foot to drive it into the ground guy scratching his head to his right just so happens to look over in the nic of time his motion draws everyone else’s attention the key is the flick or toss whatever it is while you hand is still behind you back the motion of his arm and the late toss gives it away
He did hand the catcher something, you’re right. But you can see the ump in the top left see it and come over and reach for something. Then he picks something off the ground. We will never know what he handed the catcher with his left while distracting with his right. Sneaky sneaky. Good eye
Niekro also had sandpaper on his left hand. So whenever he gets a new baseball, he takes his glove off and starting rubbing against the sandpaper while everybody thinks he's trying to grip the ball better.
Niekro like a teenager trying to toss a joint away from the cops without them seeing, and that one official turning his head to track it as it hits the ground, then Niekro trying to pick it up before the official can get to it. 😄
So on George Brett: The Royals protested the game. ... MacPhail thus restored Brett's home run and ordered the game resumed with two outs in the top of the ninth inning with the Royals leading 5-4. Although MacPhail ruled that Brett's home run counted, he retroactively ejected Brett for his outburst against McClelland.
Every time I see Neikro fling that thing out of his pocket: it like watching a guy trying to keep the cops from finding drugs on them. " Oh that's not mine, it was on the ground already!"
I don't consider the George Brett thing to be cheating. It wasn't a legal bat because there was pine tar too far up the handle, but it didn't grant him an advantage. The umpire's call was correct - he is out, runners are returned to the bases they occupied at the time of the pitch (assuming that he wasn't the third out). I'm not sure about then, but today if a similar situation were to arise, so long as the pine tar is removed past 18" from the end of the bat, then it becomes a legal bat and can be used in a subsequent at-bat.
He had pine tar 24 inches up the bat there's no excuse for that....the only reason why they let it ride because he was one the big names in baseball at that time
What I don't understand is how was Niekro supposed to have been able to "doctor" the ball with something that was in his back pocket? The moment he takes that out of his back pocket, it would have been easy to spot.
Baseball has a ton of arcane and weird rules because in the early days of the sport, the only rules were like "throw the ball, try to hit it, run the bases, score", and teams kinda made up their own rules around that. There's a rule against catchers using their face masks as secondary gloves-- if memory serves, it advances the runners, including the batter. The reason it's there is because catchers would "nudge" borderline fair pop fly balls into foul territory, or otherwise use their face masks to field the ball. Believe it or not, baseball is remarkably clean compared to its roots-- they used to play with no batting helmets and a single ball used for the entire game (unless there were home runs or foul balls into the stands), making the ball filthy, hard to track, and easy to turn into a "magic" ball-- that time was called "dirty ball". That practice ended when a batter lost his life when he didn't see a fastball flying towards his head. Today, batters get helmets and protective pads, while the ball is regularly swapped for fresh clean balls. MLB is in a "one step forward, two steps back" sort of situation. Review of umpire calls was LONG overdue, since the NHL and NFL have been doing it for decades before baseball said, "Uh, ya know, maybe the umps are human after all." But with the steroid abuse ~20 years ago, persistent bat corking, and more recently, the Astros cheating scandal and the crappy way the players union and commissioner handled it, fans aren't happy with the sport, and rightly so. What's worse is that players often don't need that "edge" to win, but by cheating, they not only ruin their careers and their fellow players' careers, every pennant they "won", every World Series ring they "won" is forever tainted with doubt. Houston had a great team in 2017, they could have beaten the Yankees and Dodgers fair and square, but they didn't (and to top it off, they have this ridiculously defensive "what's done is done, get over it," attitude which is frankly infuriating). Putting cork in a bat acts as a cushion, absorbing energy that could otherwise go into sending a ball over the left field fence.
@@MMuraseofSandvich The penalty for using the mask and making intentional contact with a live ball is a detached equipment violation and depending on if it was a thrown ball, pitched ball, or batted ball determines the number of bases awarded.
I don't know if it already exist but I'd like to see a museum of the caught cheat items. Corked bats, baseball scuffed, nail file, greasy gloves, all of it.
Joe Niekro was funny. Joe is pulling stuff out of his back pockets, and then one of the umps earns his head and falls falls down to the ground. It was an emery board. 😆🤣
@@jamesmcging612 No in the OBR you're not allowed to have more than 18 inches of pine tar and the width of home plate is 17 inches. The umpires held it next to the plate and then said "yeah the excess looks like more than an inch" and then made their decision.
@@isaaccaldwell6452 it was like a full 6" inches paste the plate. Imo, a rule is a rule and it needs to be enforced until it's no longer a rule no matter how stupid the rule.
@@VG-913 im not saying the rule should be ignored im saying that using the plate as a measuring device isnt right. Umpires are now taught not to use the plate because its not 18 inches
with the George Brett incident I have always thought the commentators were a little dumb when they couldn't figure out why Tim McClelland would measure a bat using home plate
I'm wondering if a pitcher is found to be cheating, if they should just have his team forfeit instead of just ejecting him... How many batters in how many innings get cheated because of it? Enough to potentially sway the game? That would make the coaching staff and rest of the team be a little more proactive with cheating pitchers
george brett didn't cheat. pine tar on a bat doesn't give a hitter an advantage. the pine tar rule was made to conserve baseballs. when pine tar gets on a baseball, the ball has to be replaced, because it gives a pitcher an advantage. some pitchers put pine tar on their glove or hat, and wipe it on the ball.
Really suspicious how the Yankees only questioned the bat after the home run was hit, especially on a stupid technicality that wouldn't have made a difference
The Royals protested the game, and American League president Lee MacPhail upheld the protest, reasoning that the bat should have been excluded from future use, but the home run should not have been nullified. Amid much controversy, the game was resumed on August 18, 1983, from the point of Brett's home run, and ended with a Royals win.
Essentially it messes with the ball. You get a hit with the pine tar too high up it’ll rub off on the ball, and a fielders throw will be messed up because they aren’t expecting it.
Usually, it’s never called. You can watch the World Series today and a lot of those bats have tar that breaks that rule. It’s a picky rule, and coaches only point it out when it gives them an advantage like that. Most won’t.
Astros cheating is just like One Outs the anime. I wonder how much coincidence that is that they both used sound to warm what type of pitch would be coming.
What's funny about the pre-internet older games, is that the cheating players figured that their cheating might be shown a few times on regular TV and then disappear into the ether. Welcome to the internet.
you gotta be pretty bold or (stupid) to cheat in front of everyone, the other team, the "judges" the fans.. it's gonna be hard to get away with anything.
I love baseball just really started to watch it but can someone explain to me what is wrong with having pinetar on a bat if it's sticky on your hand I understand
#1. Houston Astros’ garbage-bin signals to batters at the plate (forewarning of off-speed pitches using primary real-time TV camera footage) in the 2017 WORLD SERIES that resulted in a Houston world championship -COMPARED TO- #2. George Brett’s singular plate appearance deemed illegal at the end of a regular-season July game with “perhaps too much pine tar on the bat” (which in fact, was eventually overturned, resulting in a Royals victory btw) Needless to say, these two scenarios are VASTLY different on the scale of “cheating in baseball”. George Brett’s singular at-bat was indeed controversial for a single game, but the Astros’ cheap, petty schemes in 2017 COMPLETELY RIGGED THE ENTIRE WORLD SERIES. These two events are INCOMPARABLE.
"the Astros’ cheap, petty schemes in 2017 COMPLETELY RIGGED THE ENTIRE WORLD SERIES." Worst part is the fuckers tried the same shit again the next year and still got their ass beat by the Nationals. It's one thing to be a cheater, but it's truly amazing to be so incompetent of a cheater that you _still lose_ even with an unfair advantage.
As somebody who isn't a big baseball fan, I need some explanation on the baseball/trashcan thing. Was it used as a signal, or to disrupt the game in an attempt to create an advantage? I don't understand.
How the hell does having pine tar high up on the barrel help you hit???? If anything it would make the ball stick to the bat a fraction longer. I understand how it affects spin rate but hitting the ball? How?
Niekro was like a teenage with weed in his pocket talking to police trying to be slick
If Kent Hrbek had been paying attention, he would have stepped on the file as soon as it hit the ground.
Abhahahahaahh
I've tossed a couple joints out the window 45 years ago or so lol
🤣🤣🤣
@@ParkTheSnark
What was in his pocket??
i love how awkward people get when they know their caught… never gets old lol.
they’re*, grammar policing never gets old
@@Aaronlee83 ok
😂
Or when they act like a toddler because they where caught.
@@reapersgirl6407 fr
Homie tossed the file or whatever that was like no one was gonna see it
That shit was hilarious. They almost didn`t see it as well but it was clear on video.😂
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As the camera zoomed after that to blond manager/coach, he was smiling.... definitely in on it.
Sleight of hand baby haha
And the broadcasters got the name wrong. The pitcher wasn’t Phil Niekro, but his brother Joe Niekro. Both used the knuckle ball, though Phil had a much better one.
Bruh learned from the school of hiding drugs from police
I’m a Royals fan and that George Brett moment was the most funniest thing ever in history 🤣 he ran out there faster then the speed of light. A moment we will never forget 😂
George Brett wasn't going to hit the umpire, he was going to talk to him
@@michaelmckinnon7314 ?? I know 😂
I honestly wouldn’t call that cheating. A lot of bats were like that. The team waited until he’d hit off them and then called it. That’s why now the bay is thrown out of the game not the player.
@@lscales6131 Apparently the President of the American League overruled the umpires after the fact because Pine tare (Which was the bat to help the batters grip) did not help the ball fly out. So, the game was restarted some time later in the ninth and the Royals ended up winning the game.
@@johndenver6816 cool I didn’t know that.
This man thought he was slick obviously throwing that shit out of his back pocket lmfaooo
"What has it got in its pocketeses?"
@@KororaPenguin I dont know, but what ever that was, that was stupid
Lol he threw the stuff on the ground as a diversion, watch his left hand and you can see him pull something from his back pocket and try to slip it to the teammate on his left.
@@alloran0987 Omg I didnt even notice that. He was pretty slick! The umpire caught it though
I died lmaoooo
Niekro reminded me of watching COPS when people empty their pockets.
Love it ! Great analogy lol
He told them these are not my pants!
Lol now I have the “Bad Boys” song stuck in my head!
Love how the last umpire wasn’t phased at all and looked the guy right in the face and held his ground as he charged at him LOL
Lol same here
Because that what loser do
Thats the fastest Brett ever ran in his career.
As an loyal Astros fan
I was absolutely devastated when they got caught cheating
Totally unacceptable
Same dude. If we do manage to get to the World Series this year... i hope we win it truthfully
Video Banned I mean we can. This team is good and we don’t need to cheat our way to a trophy
@@extiflyy 3-2 now I don't want them to win because I don't like them for what they did but I respect you guys for not being assholes in denial
@@carines8995 Now it's 3-3. Rays might pull a huge choke.
@@Tronathon242 yep game today hoping to god they don't
McClelland looked awfully calm for a guy who had someone running at him intending to tear his head off.
He also had several inches on him, was in a position of pure authority, and looked svelte enough to tussle if he had to.
He was ready to take a hit for an easy lawsuit lmao
That was back when MEN were MEN; The umpire would have knocked him out!
He's a big ol boy...
Because he knew the Yankees were paying him
The fact they ran away with the bat tells you the truth
Is that why the mlb over turned this? Hmmm
@@Bourneidentit If players going to behave like this in the field , i would ban them for a year regardless of the incident.
WOW BASBBALLE STRICKT MAKE STRICKTER
@@Bourneidentit no, they had the bat , it had pins tar 6 inches from the trademark but it's not allowed to be closer than 8 inches from the trademark
@@SachiraBhanu fr even if innocent , if this was to happen an any other sport theyd be suspended regardless if they didnt do anything😂
1:38 “alright man... something something... alright man I know you’re using pine tar-“
It's actually 35 years ago when Joe Niekro got caught using an emery board. It's a classic moment in baseball history and what lead to one of the better referee stare down EVER ! Pause it at 1.42m . Tim Tschida who was only 27 years old showed why he was selected to such a young age to be part of Major League Baseball. History showed that he made the right call ! Classic .
The “Pine Tar Incident” as it has become known, should not be on this list. Pine tar, while it is supposed to be limited, does not help a bat hit a ball farther. It’s used to help a player’s grip, and if anything, pine tar is so sticky that it would hinder the effectiveness of the bat in question.
The Royals protested the game, and the protest was sustained, and the two teams finished the remainder of this game, which the Royals wound up winning.
The umpires actually had to use two different rules to arrive at their decision, and the rule book was updated after that season. Now, if there is too much pine tar on a bat, and the other team protests, as the Yankees did, the bat is removed from the game, with no penalty to the batter, since pine tar is not like corking a bat.
George Brett got a little carried away in applying the pine tar, but he wasn’t cheating. The plate was used as a makeshift ruler. And players still legally use the pine tar. The home run counted, and there was no further sanction on Brett. Today, he would just have to fetch another bat.
None of that matters. He knew the rules. He broke one. Move along
@@elihernandez800 literally everything he just said matters.
@@elihernandez800 sour ass Yankees fan. Y'all have been caught cheating more than anybody. Their argument is literal BS. They were just mad he crushed that ball at such an important moment.
@gottiline I love when losers like you hate on the Yankees and make up things like “the Yankees have cheated more than anyone” when what you are really saying is “I’m salty about the Yankees winning all the time.” Royals cheated and Eli was right...rules are rules.
@@rarebookreviewer did they overturn it? Yes they did. So the umps blew the call. They didn't cheat. You're just another salty Yankee's Stan.. LOL
Hey do you think you could make the intro a bit louder
Honestly I probably could but I haven't tried
Sports Fanatic what editing service do you use? Maybe try it through that
The look of guilty ha they knew.)
Its not loud
Lmao
It's hilarious how umps handle evidence like a local police rookie.
Ha niekro's throw was pathetic "I got nothing in my hand... no you didn't see that, what are you talking about? I didn't throw that? Me? CHEAT?!?"
It's a "no way that's not mine officer, I don't have any drugs!" Kinda move lol
Apparently he was handing something else off to another player after throwing the emery board as a distraction
Nierko just dropped the glove in the ump’s hands 😂 he knew he fucked up lol
As an A's fan, I'm totally offended that my boys are not on this list. I mean come on guys, let's give it a try, what do you have to lose?
One funny thing about the Pine Tar Incident was when Brett shot out like a bullet, the brothas to his left were like "Nah, man. I'm not about to get in the middle of that..."
Brett almost didn't get somebody between himself and the ump he was "going after".
George brett wasnt caught cheating. They protested. It was upheld. The game continued after the home run and the royals won the game.
Nah they cheated the yanks won
overturned because it was found to be in compliance
2:05 his catcher was trying like hell!
That goofy music they play in the stadium makes these clips 100 times better
Lol, the announcers called him Phil Niekro twice. Poor Phil getting shade from his shady brother Joe Niekro.
Never find a girl that looks at you, the way George Brett looked at that ump.
When the dude tried to toss the file it looks like with his other hand he passed something into the glove of the team mate standing next to him. You can tell both hands are trying to find something in the back pockets. I think there may have been even more to that then it seemed. I'm surprised looking at the footage afterward no one else questioned that. The more I've watched it the more I'm convinced he got away with handing something to the other guy.
You can see the catcher walk up to him and tap him when he pulled out that card or paper the trick is to have something innocent in one pocket pull it out show it to everyone and then toss it or drop it and then your teammate picks it up off of the ground to distract everyone’s attention while you toss or drop or hand off whatever it is your hiding to the closest teammate whoever is in on it will usually step on what ever it is and twist there foot to drive it into the ground guy scratching his head to his right just so happens to look over in the nic of time his motion draws everyone else’s attention the key is the flick or toss whatever it is while you hand is still behind you back the motion of his arm and the late toss gives it away
He did hand the catcher something, you’re right. But you can see the ump in the top left see it and come over and reach for something. Then he picks something off the ground. We will never know what he handed the catcher with his left while distracting with his right. Sneaky sneaky. Good eye
Niekro also had sandpaper on his left hand. So whenever he gets a new baseball, he takes his glove off and starting rubbing against the sandpaper while everybody thinks he's trying to grip the ball better.
Been waiting for this for 2 years 😂
I figured I'd do it so 😂
Sports Fanatic I remember rewatching the 1st one probably 5 times thinking “man, I wonder if this guy is gonna make another some day” 😂
@@arod624 yes! Ahaha, I love reading comments like this!! Thank you man, your words mean alot
@@SportsFanatic Part 3? 😏
@@sirmely we’ll see, probably not tho. have no motivation to make content, and don’t really wanna continue
The Brett clip is my favorite ever
Turns out he didn't really cheat
@@EssexAggiegrad2011 doesn't matter should have ban for year for bad behavior.
Niekro couldnt play that file off. Like whoops who knew that was there?
5:13 everybody yellin at the bat boy😂
Cause at 4:42 he had the bat in his hand and then he gave it back to the ump.
Niekro like a teenager trying to toss a joint away from the cops without them seeing, and that one official turning his head to track it as it hits the ground, then Niekro trying to pick it up before the official can get to it. 😄
I just want to know how Niekro managed to get that everybody out of his pocket ,doctor the ball and put it back for so long.
So on George Brett: The Royals protested the game. ... MacPhail thus restored Brett's home run and ordered the game resumed with two outs in the top of the ninth inning with the Royals leading 5-4. Although MacPhail ruled that Brett's home run counted, he retroactively ejected Brett for his outburst against McClelland.
Every time I see Neikro fling that thing out of his pocket: it like watching a guy trying to keep the cops from finding drugs on them. " Oh that's not mine, it was on the ground already!"
I don't consider the George Brett thing to be cheating. It wasn't a legal bat because there was pine tar too far up the handle, but it didn't grant him an advantage. The umpire's call was correct - he is out, runners are returned to the bases they occupied at the time of the pitch (assuming that he wasn't the third out). I'm not sure about then, but today if a similar situation were to arise, so long as the pine tar is removed past 18" from the end of the bat, then it becomes a legal bat and can be used in a subsequent at-bat.
He had pine tar 24 inches up the bat there's no excuse for that....the only reason why they let it ride because he was one the big names in baseball at that time
What I don't understand is how was Niekro supposed to have been able to "doctor" the ball with something that was in his back pocket? The moment he takes that out of his back pocket, it would have been easy to spot.
nobody talks about the guy who stopped him from making a huge mistake that night
knowing that everything ended well for him
Baseball seems like the most bent sport on the planet...
It is american so yeah, duh...
Baseball has a ton of arcane and weird rules because in the early days of the sport, the only rules were like "throw the ball, try to hit it, run the bases, score", and teams kinda made up their own rules around that. There's a rule against catchers using their face masks as secondary gloves-- if memory serves, it advances the runners, including the batter. The reason it's there is because catchers would "nudge" borderline fair pop fly balls into foul territory, or otherwise use their face masks to field the ball.
Believe it or not, baseball is remarkably clean compared to its roots-- they used to play with no batting helmets and a single ball used for the entire game (unless there were home runs or foul balls into the stands), making the ball filthy, hard to track, and easy to turn into a "magic" ball-- that time was called "dirty ball". That practice ended when a batter lost his life when he didn't see a fastball flying towards his head. Today, batters get helmets and protective pads, while the ball is regularly swapped for fresh clean balls.
MLB is in a "one step forward, two steps back" sort of situation. Review of umpire calls was LONG overdue, since the NHL and NFL have been doing it for decades before baseball said, "Uh, ya know, maybe the umps are human after all." But with the steroid abuse ~20 years ago, persistent bat corking, and more recently, the Astros cheating scandal and the crappy way the players union and commissioner handled it, fans aren't happy with the sport, and rightly so. What's worse is that players often don't need that "edge" to win, but by cheating, they not only ruin their careers and their fellow players' careers, every pennant they "won", every World Series ring they "won" is forever tainted with doubt. Houston had a great team in 2017, they could have beaten the Yankees and Dodgers fair and square, but they didn't (and to top it off, they have this ridiculously defensive "what's done is done, get over it," attitude which is frankly infuriating). Putting cork in a bat acts as a cushion, absorbing energy that could otherwise go into sending a ball over the left field fence.
@@MMuraseofSandvich The penalty for using the mask and making intentional contact with a live ball is a detached equipment violation and depending on if it was a thrown ball, pitched ball, or batted ball determines the number of bases awarded.
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0:31 IS THAT WILSON ON THE TOP LEFT??? WILSONNNN
I don't know if it already exist but I'd like to see a museum of the caught cheat items. Corked bats, baseball scuffed, nail file, greasy gloves, all of it.
Gaylord Perry is such a great name 😂 he’s automatically the homie
Any1 else die laughing like me when Brett charged at umps outta dugout!!???🤣🤣🤣
Nope, I didn't die!
Thanks for starting the video the loudest way you possibly could. Once my ears stop ringing, I'll watch the video. XD
I was there. The crowd went CRAZY!!!
Joe Niekro was funny. Joe is pulling stuff out of his back pockets, and then one of the umps earns his head and falls falls down to the ground. It was an emery board. 😆🤣
What were they using homeplate to measure for on Brett's bat??
@@jamesmcging612 No in the OBR you're not allowed to have more than 18 inches of pine tar and the width of home plate is 17 inches. The umpires held it next to the plate and then said "yeah the excess looks like more than an inch" and then made their decision.
@@isaaccaldwell6452 it was like a full 6" inches paste the plate. Imo, a rule is a rule and it needs to be enforced until it's no longer a rule no matter how stupid the rule.
@@VG-913 im not saying the rule should be ignored im saying that using the plate as a measuring device isnt right. Umpires are now taught not to use the plate because its not 18 inches
@@isaaccaldwell6452 right buts it's a general rule of thumb
@@VG-913 Except for when enforcing a rule at the major league level being close enough for a measurement just doesnt cut it
There’s an old saying about sports.
Kinda embarrassing when your own state team gets caught big time.
Try your own city. Astros hurt me bad 😔
Astros keep winning I guess they still use the buzzer to know what pitch is coming
“Some sticky stuff around there”
;)
Now that is the reaction of someone who got caught cheating
@7:40 yeah the team using the illegal bat taking the bat and running off with it so it can’t be examined screams innocence.
It was examined, I was called in to assist so I've seen the bat personally
with the George Brett incident I have always thought the commentators were a little dumb when they couldn't figure out why Tim McClelland would measure a bat using home plate
I'm wondering if a pitcher is found to be cheating, if they should just have his team forfeit instead of just ejecting him... How many batters in how many innings get cheated because of it? Enough to potentially sway the game?
That would make the coaching staff and rest of the team be a little more proactive with cheating pitchers
george brett didn't cheat. pine tar on a bat doesn't give a hitter an advantage. the pine tar rule was made to conserve baseballs. when pine tar gets on a baseball, the ball has to be replaced, because it gives a pitcher an advantage. some pitchers put pine tar on their glove or hat, and wipe it on the ball.
What was that conversation like? "Da yup, dat's way too much pine tar on dat bat. Yup, you're outta here you pine tar abusing bastard."
8:13 martinez+brett = ❤
That home plate ump has kahunas of steel. Bring back those type of Umpires.
george brett shouldve went after billy martin for protesting
Lucky for Neikro he wasnt a criminal. He'd get himself caught early.
Really suspicious how the Yankees only questioned the bat after the home run was hit, especially on a stupid technicality that wouldn't have made a difference
It’s obvious that Brett knew he was in trouble!
The George Brett incident was a travesty ... those umpires had no idea what they were doing
The Royals protested the game, and American League president Lee MacPhail upheld the protest, reasoning that the bat should have been excluded from future use, but the home run should not have been nullified. Amid much controversy, the game was resumed on August 18, 1983, from the point of Brett's home run, and ended with a Royals win.
Nothing more like pt 2 two years later
Lol
1:50 i hate to tell you this commentator but that is not Phil Niekro that would be Joe Niekro. Phil never played with Minnesota
Yeah. And Phil would have gotten away with it. lol
everyone is looking at the sandpaper fling but they missed why the umpires were close and every time he went for his pockets they’d get closer
George Brett might be the angriest man I've ever seen in my life
Every team has cheated one way or another. I’m an Astros fan and always will be.
Pine tar ruling was later reversed and the Royals won the game 5-4
What advantage is having pine tar a few inches above a specific point on a bat????
I understand the cork bats being illegal, but......?
Essentially it messes with the ball. You get a hit with the pine tar too high up it’ll rub off on the ball, and a fielders throw will be messed up because they aren’t expecting it.
Usually, it’s never called. You can watch the World Series today and a lot of those bats have tar that breaks that rule. It’s a picky rule, and coaches only point it out when it gives them an advantage like that. Most won’t.
7:03 brett just had a lil tantrum 💀
He looks like a crazed nut. DESEC LESSONS. Great video.
three clips, yeah great research
How the hell would pine tar on bat help you hit? Other than what’s used for you hands?
Astros cheating is just like One Outs the anime. I wonder how much coincidence that is that they both used sound to warm what type of pitch would be coming.
What's funny about the pre-internet older games, is that the cheating players figured that their cheating might be shown a few times on regular TV and then disappear into the ether.
Welcome to the internet.
holy fuck my volume was at 11 and the intro still scared the shit out of me
I’d rather be a winless Ranger than a cheating Astro any day.
Well buddy now you's a winner today. Congrats to rangers tho
I expected this to be a Astros compilation.
Be hard for Niekro
To do that in todays games
Every damn pitch has a new ball
you gotta be pretty bold or (stupid) to cheat in front of everyone, the other team, the "judges" the fans.. it's gonna be hard to get away with anything.
Wonder if AJ Hinch will use trash cans with the Tigers
I think an ump SHOULD get a check to the jaw when its clear that hes crooked calling.
If people don't think every team has tried to pick up the pitch call you kidding yourself. It has been going on since day 1 of baseball
Niekro also handed something to someone with his left hand.
I love baseball just really started to watch it but can someone explain to me what is wrong with having pinetar on a bat if it's sticky on your hand I understand
What did they find in clip 2? What’s usually the “foreign” substance?
That last clip the guy seemed a bit too mad... do you think they told him to make a scene so that his teammates could hide the bat as they tried to?
Cocaine must of been a hell of a drug in the 80s lmao
makes me wonder, why do baseball uniforms have pockets in the first place?
Seems like there would be footage of Niekro pulling that sandpaper in and out of his pocket
Steroids was the real cheating scandal there’s a big difference in Nail filers and steroids🤣
I remember most of these games.
#1. Houston Astros’ garbage-bin signals to batters at the plate (forewarning of off-speed pitches using primary real-time TV camera footage) in the 2017 WORLD SERIES that resulted in a Houston world championship
-COMPARED TO-
#2. George Brett’s singular plate appearance deemed illegal at the end of a regular-season July game with “perhaps too much pine tar on the bat” (which in fact, was eventually overturned, resulting in a Royals victory btw)
Needless to say, these two scenarios are VASTLY different on the scale of “cheating in baseball”.
George Brett’s singular at-bat was indeed controversial for a single game, but the Astros’ cheap, petty schemes in 2017 COMPLETELY RIGGED THE ENTIRE WORLD SERIES.
These two events are INCOMPARABLE.
"the Astros’ cheap, petty schemes in 2017 COMPLETELY RIGGED THE ENTIRE WORLD SERIES."
Worst part is the fuckers tried the same shit again the next year and still got their ass beat by the Nationals. It's one thing to be a cheater, but it's truly amazing to be so incompetent of a cheater that you _still lose_ even with an unfair advantage.
@@datmanydocris they never cheated in 2019 and you can't find proof they did.
As somebody who isn't a big baseball fan, I need some explanation on the baseball/trashcan thing. Was it used as a signal, or to disrupt the game in an attempt to create an advantage? I don't understand.
TLDR it was telling them what was being thrown, 1 thump for fastball 2 for breaking ball etc etc
Astros are the only team to legitimately win a championship
George Brett one is a classic
Brett didn't cheat that was an old rule for not ruining balls!
How the hell does having pine tar high up on the barrel help you hit???? If anything it would make the ball stick to the bat a fraction longer. I understand how it affects spin rate but hitting the ball? How?