One other little trick/tip I’d like to mention is , when changing the tuners but still keeping the same strings, I like to capo the strings at the first fret before unwinding them. That helps keep them right there in position to easily re install on the new tuning machines without all the mess and tangling when the strings are just dangling loose.
This was a lifesaver, i was really considering sending my P5 back because the neck diving was impossible to bare. I never did a mod before, but i just had to follow this video and now i have a perfectly aceptable balance. Thanks Lobster!
I'm so glad this worked out for you! It's way easier than the Hipshot mod for sure. I've been doing this on all of my Sires minus the ones I'm keeping 100% stock.
Did the mod on my P5 4-string and it made a HUGE difference in reducing the dive. The bass is very level with virtually no tug. Great suggestion and great vid! Thanks for excellent suggestion!
Thanks! It works so well. I've seen some SCARY pics of damaged headstocks from people trying to pry the bushings out. I wanted to stress on here that the socket method is way easier and you won't damage the bass.
@@LowEndLobster Yeah, great if you have access to the back of the bushing. I do have a bushing lifter winch gadget from StewMac for the closed back kind of bushing (Gibson bridge studs, etc.), but the socket is a better solution here.
Thanks Lobster. I was thinking about changing the tuners on my p7 fretless to Hipshot ultralite, but I am not good at drilling. It is very good to see this video. I will upgrade to Gotoh instead.
This is a great video. Thank you Will. I upgraded my Sire with the Hipshots, i also bought the adapters, but the adapters are made of an heavier material which ends up defeating the whole purpose of the lightweigt tuners, I ended up using your taping technique. IOt's a good thing there are better alternatives out there for rthe Sire's.
I did that with my Fender Mono Neon. The bass is so much better balanced with light tuners. I used the Sandberg aluminium ultra light tuners, I think they are the lightest on the market. Expensive, but very good !!!
@@priceth Hi! Yes you have to drill one hole per tuner into the headstock. No big deal. And if you want to switch back to the original tuners, the holes will be covered by the tuners ;-)
Thank you so much for this video, very informative. I have a Sire P7 and a V7, both 5 strings and yes they do tend to dive, so like you said, the Gotoh GB528 will eliminate those neck dives 🙏🏾🕺🏾, question, will straplocks(Dunlop) help as well? Thank you.
I lucked into a set of these in black from a TBer who didn’t know what he had, I think for $15 lol. They’re on a project PJ build right now, just need to route for the J pickup and wire it up. Good tuners!
I usually love your videos, but I feel this video might be more useful if it had contained closeup shots of the back of the headstock during the installation, instead of a wide shot of the front, or at the very least a closeup still of the back after installation. As it is we don't really see the tuners, don't really see the process, and don't really see the result.
I just got the Gotoh 201B-4 bridge for my P5. It has the Fender screw pattern, so I did have to drill. It was almost too small. I was gonna throw it on my cnz jazz mini, which I converted to a fretless 😅
Thank you very much for the informative and interesting videos! You are the best! So, do I understand correctly that this is a drop-in replacement for a Sire u5 too?
I get the weight loss advantage. Nice to have a 5 string that weighs less than 9 pounds! But, I've played Fender basses since the late 60s, and I've never cared about neck dive. Maybe I'm strange, but when I'm playing, I actually have my hands on the bass. So the neck never dives!
Ciao Will e complimenti sempre per i tuoi video, sono fatti veramente bene, ti volevo chiedere una info, nel video si vede che hai cambiato anche il ponte, potresti dirmi il modello e magari il link su dove acquistarlo, grazie
I measured the tuner hole on my V5 at 18mm. The Gotoh bushing is 16mm according to a reverb listing. Did yours fit snug? Or was it loose and need something extra?
Hi Lobster, thank you for the video! Is this Gotoh GB528 a drop in even for Sire V5 or there are other tuner machine who requires no drill? Thanks in advance for your help
Hi there @LowEndLobster , I would like to change the Headstock for a V3 second generation, do you know if I should go for those Gotoh GB528 ? Also I 'd like to go for a D Tuner would you have any reference ? Thank you for your attention. Greats vids and tutos !
I'm thinking of doing this mod to my P5 4-string. A couple of questions, given that it's only 4 strings, will the weight/balance differential be noticeable and is there enough space to use the old screws to fill the screw holes or are they too flush with the tuner? Thanks for this mod that will hopefully make playing this cool bass even more fun and comfortable.
I’ve been considering changing the tuners on my Sire U5 to improve the balance. Any idea if these Gotoh tuners would be a direct swap in that bass too (I.E. use the exist screw holes)?
Hello. Thank you for the video. I want to change the tuners on my Sire Marcus Miller D5, I'm looking for more affordable tuners. Do you have any idea? Thx
Gotoh makes supremely good hardware, Both of my Atelier Z Beta 6's have them. Reso-lite hardware is I dare say better than quality and weight relief than Hipshot.
thank you for the info mr.lobster , i have a u5 and a p10 the top's are almost identical. i would love to find a RM neck for the u5 or have one made. what do you think of that for a upgrade project?
Off topic question for Mr. Lobs or any knowledgeable person: what is the real bang for your buck sibling in the sterling family? The ray34 has gorgeous finishes (blue sparkle, Neptune blue and cherry burst, namely), but they are a bit pricey and maybe not worth the price.
Not worth the $100 for the little bit of neck dive. I actually never even considered neck dive until I watched Lobster. Haha I use standard 2” nylon straps so there must be enough friction with those. To each is own. 👍
You don't understand the subject, but already claiming "it's not worth it". I don't get it. Try playing some well-balanced instrument and you'll get the feeling Don't forget those tuners will also increase the tuning stability and reduce overall weight of the instrument - easier to handle.
I haven't gigged this one. My go-to 5 string P is my Lakland 55-64 Skyline w/ flats hahaha. That is the BEST 5 string P IMO, but they stopped making the Skyline one.
One other little trick/tip I’d like to mention is , when changing the tuners but still keeping the same strings, I like to capo the strings at the first fret before unwinding them.
That helps keep them right there in position to easily re install on the new tuning machines without all the mess and tangling when the strings are just dangling loose.
Just did this on my U5 and neck dive has gone! Thanks for this!
Indeed, no more neck dive on my U5 with those! Thanks!
This was a lifesaver, i was really considering sending my P5 back because the neck diving was impossible to bare. I never did a mod before, but i just had to follow this video and now i have a perfectly aceptable balance. Thanks Lobster!
I'm so glad this worked out for you! It's way easier than the Hipshot mod for sure. I've been doing this on all of my Sires minus the ones I'm keeping 100% stock.
Did the mod on my P5 4-string and it made a HUGE difference in reducing the dive. The bass is very level with virtually no tug. Great suggestion and great vid! Thanks for excellent suggestion!
You're welcome!
All mod projects greatly appreciated . Thanks Mr Lobster
Thank you, Lobster! I'm always hesitant to drill any holes in any of my basses
Thank you Lobster! I did the same thing on my V7 for the neck drop.
Neat trick with the socket as a bushing pusher.
Thanks! It works so well. I've seen some SCARY pics of damaged headstocks from people trying to pry the bushings out. I wanted to stress on here that the socket method is way easier and you won't damage the bass.
@@LowEndLobster Yeah, great if you have access to the back of the bushing. I do have a bushing lifter winch gadget from StewMac for the closed back kind of bushing (Gibson bridge studs, etc.), but the socket is a better solution here.
Taking delivery of a P5R 5 string tomorrow.
This looks like a worthy upgrade.
Thanks Lobster!
I bought some Fender ultra-lights and they actually weigh more than the Mexican tuners!
I love my P5, but the neck dive has been troubling. I was hoping there was a drop-in replacement (no painter's tape!). Thanks for the video.
You'll enjoy the significant improvement with these, and yep - no tape or drilling!
great bass, but great neck diving. Thanks Lobster!
This video would greatly benefit from before and after pictures of the back of the headstock.
You're absolutely right! I'll be sure to do that next time. Great suggestion!
@@LowEndLobster Lobster, I hope you do a video of the latest MTD Lynn Keller 4 string, 32” scale.
@@LowEndLobster Thanks for the reply Lobster! Btw, did you send me a message to reach out to you on Telegram about a surprise or is that a bot?! 😮
Nope, it's a scam. I don't reach out to people in that manner (or at all really LOL)
@@LowEndLobster I thought so…thank you for the confirmation!
Thanks Lobster. I was thinking about changing the tuners on my p7 fretless to Hipshot ultralite, but I am not good at drilling. It is very good to see this video. I will upgrade to Gotoh instead.
That's a really nice upgrade. I may add those to my Sire V5 4-string. Thanks!
I did this on my Sire P5 4 string as well, it's a great upgrade!
This is a great video. Thank you Will. I upgraded my Sire with the Hipshots, i also bought the adapters, but the adapters are made of an heavier material which ends up defeating the whole purpose of the lightweigt tuners, I ended up using your taping technique. IOt's a good thing there are better alternatives out there for rthe Sire's.
I did that with my Fender Mono Neon. The bass is so much better balanced with light tuners. I used the Sandberg aluminium ultra light tuners, I think they are the lightest on the market. Expensive, but very good !!!
Hey did you have to drill new holes for this tuner?
@@priceth Hi! Yes you have to drill one hole per tuner into the headstock. No big deal. And if you want to switch back to the original tuners, the holes will be covered by the tuners ;-)
@@FrowinIckler cool appreciate it
@@priceth You're welcome :-) And related to the Fender tuners you'll save around 62grams per tuner, thats overall 310g with a 5 string bass!
Thank you so much for this video, very informative. I have a Sire P7 and a V7, both 5 strings and yes they do tend to dive, so like you said, the Gotoh GB528 will eliminate those neck dives 🙏🏾🕺🏾, question, will straplocks(Dunlop) help as well? Thank you.
I lucked into a set of these in black from a TBer who didn’t know what he had, I think for $15 lol. They’re on a project PJ build right now, just need to route for the J pickup and wire it up. Good tuners!
I usually love your videos, but I feel this video might be more useful if it had contained closeup shots of the back of the headstock during the installation, instead of a wide shot of the front, or at the very least a closeup still of the back after installation. As it is we don't really see the tuners, don't really see the process, and don't really see the result.
Very nice Bass, especially with that Tuner upgrade!
I just got the Gotoh 201B-4 bridge for my P5. It has the Fender screw pattern, so I did have to drill. It was almost too small. I was gonna throw it on my cnz jazz mini, which I converted to a fretless 😅
Thanks Lobster! I just ordered a set for my V3P 5 string as I was not happy with the tuners.
Did you end up doing it? I also have that bass and am considering it.
Thank you very much for the informative and interesting videos! You are the best! So, do I understand correctly that this is a drop-in replacement for a Sire u5 too?
I get the weight loss advantage. Nice to have a 5 string that weighs less than 9 pounds! But, I've played Fender basses since the late 60s, and I've never cared about neck dive. Maybe I'm strange, but when I'm playing, I actually have my hands on the bass. So the neck never dives!
Another great LEL video! Do you know if the tuners the same on the V5 as i'd like to change them to get the same results?
You can use paper glue mixed with wood dust to fill the screw holes, to prevent some moisture.
Ciao Will e complimenti sempre per i tuoi video, sono fatti veramente bene, ti volevo chiedere una info, nel video si vede che hai cambiato anche il ponte, potresti dirmi il modello e magari il link su dove acquistarlo, grazie
I measured the tuner hole on my V5 at 18mm.
The Gotoh bushing is 16mm according to a reverb listing.
Did yours fit snug? Or was it loose and need something extra?
Hi Lobster, thank you for the video! Is this Gotoh GB528 a drop in even for Sire V5 or there are other tuner machine who requires no drill? Thanks in advance for your help
Hi there @LowEndLobster , I would like to change the Headstock for a V3 second generation, do you know if I should go for those Gotoh GB528 ? Also I 'd like to go for a D Tuner would you have any reference ? Thank you for your attention. Greats vids and tutos !
I'm thinking of doing this mod to my P5 4-string. A couple of questions, given that it's only 4 strings, will the weight/balance differential be noticeable and is there enough space to use the old screws to fill the screw holes or are they too flush with the tuner? Thanks for this mod that will hopefully make playing this cool bass even more fun and comfortable.
I don`t understand why only a few will hit the like button. It`s the least anyone can do to help the channel. The Sire`s look like a great deal.
Hi Lobster, thanks for this video. Does it work on a Sire U 5 without drilling new holes ?
Hi! Yes, I have an upcoming U5 mod video with these tuners.
@@LowEndLobster thank you, this bass fits perfectly to me and sounds really great.Greetings from Frankfurt 🤩
@LowEndLobster Would these tuners also fit the V7/P7 as a no drill ?
Yes
Excellent!
I’ve been considering changing the tuners on my Sire U5 to improve the balance. Any idea if these Gotoh tuners would be a direct swap in that bass too (I.E. use the exist screw holes)?
Hello. Thank you for the video. I want to change the tuners on my Sire Marcus Miller D5, I'm looking for more affordable tuners. Do you have any idea? Thx
Gotoh makes supremely good hardware, Both of my Atelier Z Beta 6's have them. Reso-lite hardware is I dare say better than quality and weight relief than Hipshot.
I use a 3.5" leather strap. Works with any bass.
Can I use them on my Yamaha BB1025X? That bass neck seriously dives 😩
thank you for the info mr.lobster , i have a u5 and a p10 the top's are almost identical. i would love to find a RM neck for the u5 or have one made. what do you think of that for a upgrade project?
Off topic question for Mr. Lobs or any knowledgeable person: what is the real bang for your buck sibling in the sterling family? The ray34 has gorgeous finishes (blue sparkle, Neptune blue and cherry burst, namely), but they are a bit pricey and maybe not worth the price.
Great video as per usual but where’s the cats on the intro?.. :)
Great video
This is my biggest problem with my Marcus Miller 5 string too! Where can I get these tuners at??
How did you know in advance that the Gotoh GB528s would be a direct replacement (including the screw holes)?
I did the mod to my P5 4 string already beforehand
For this 5 string set, I assume you have to order the gotoh as a 4l 1r combination?
Yes
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Talk a little bit about the new supposedly drop-in bridge!!!!!
From Gotoh? The ones' I've installed weren't drop in. I don't think they have one for Sires.
when a rewiew of the new v5r and v3p?
Any lightweight machine heads that are cheaper?
Hi Lobster! Are you aware of a pickup that fits the 5 string P5 without modification?
Delano AS
Which lightweight tuners would install on a sterling sub4?
These Tuners seem to be impossible to find right now. Goes anybody have a source?
Would these drop into a jack casady?
those will fit a sire D5 4 string?
Yes
Yey!
Sneaky shorter intro!
Hope you’re good lobster!
Thank you! Doing great :).
Yep I should've watched this before making a dumb comment on Instagram. 🤓
First!!!!
Woooo!
Not worth the $100 for the little bit of neck dive. I actually never even considered neck dive until I watched Lobster. Haha I use standard 2” nylon straps so there must be enough friction with those. To each is own. 👍
You don't understand the subject, but already claiming "it's not worth it". I don't get it.
Try playing some well-balanced instrument and you'll get the feeling
Don't forget those tuners will also increase the tuning stability and reduce overall weight of the instrument - easier to handle.
Where beard
New aerodynamic look for 2023 ;P
@@LowEndLobster Noooooooooooooooo
What happened to the intro?
Experimenting with a shorter intro
@@LowEndLobster Count this comment as a vote for the short intro from now on. Good, vid, btw
🦞, have you gigged much with this bass? If so how are you liking it so far?
I haven't gigged this one. My go-to 5 string P is my Lakland 55-64 Skyline w/ flats hahaha. That is the BEST 5 string P IMO, but they stopped making the Skyline one.
@@LowEndLobsteras always fun and informative content! Thanks Lobster. Those Lakland P basses are solid!
🦞 There's another bogus bot trying to offer a prize under your name again
Thank you for letting me know! Handled it!