It should be noted that in the Return of the King, the actual book itself and not the P. Jackson movie, the wild Easterlings were the one group of Pro-Sauron combatants that lasted the longest, so long in-fact that they were the last to yield to the armies of the West under King Elessar aka Aragorn II.
“We all long for Eden, and we are constantly glimpsing it: our whole nature at its best and least corrupted, its gentlest and most human, is still soaked with the sense of exile.” - J. R. R. Tolkien
Wonderful video! Today I was casually reading the Unfinished Tales, it's really a gold mine for anyone interested in these topics, especially the chapters about the Druedain and the Gwaithrim
Fascinating video! I love these longer form ones that tie together various elements of the Legendarium that are typically scattered throughout the larger work. My thanks to you.
Awesome video, thanks for sharing! Particularly loved how you didn't miss that one-off reference in the Grey Annals to those rellies of the Sons of Bor who remained in Eriador. Interested in your take on the etymology of 'Gwathuirim'. My view is that it's derived from the early Numenorean explorers' perspective on where this people lived, ie. on either side of the Gwathlo River, rather than the Numenoreans' perspective of them being a hostile people. Yes, they were (translated literally) 'Shadow-people' but in the sense of those who lived by the 'River of Shadow' (Gwath-hir)) , later the 'shadowy river from the fens' (Gwathlo), as Tolkien put it more poetically. Anyway, that's my 10 castars worth!
Great video! One topic I think is brushed over and not really talked about is the presence of Wizards and Sorcerers in Middle Earth. I'm not talking about the Big 5. Basically the Big 5 couldn't operate if people thought they were something new, and something special.
I would most certainly love & support some lore-accurate adaptations of Tolkien's world of Middle-Earth that look into the myths, tales, wars and fantastical dynamics of these "Men in Middle-Earth" than what we have now with the Rings of Power by Amazon....
No one should regard anything from RoP as being lore accurate without independently verifying it. And there is a precious little that will pass such scrutiny.
Always appreciate your uploads. If you need an idea, Id be curious to hear your take on what you would like from a 3rd Shadows of Mordor game. I joked with my buddy Shadows of Umbar would be fun if it plays like Black Flag for the ship combat
A black flag style game would be epic! I had an idea for a game set in gundabad and or or the misty mountains as a whole fighting goblins. Or a game where you play as a dwarf survivalist trying to not die in moria during the fall of balins colony.
Darth Gandalf: Cheers, farewell and remember that if you brought your Iphone to Middle Earth, they would also view it as some kind of "strange magic" 😅
A mystery for me is how they managed to survive the hundred years journey from Hildorien to Beleriand? the Edain didn't have any Valar guiding them. there's no immortal body to shield them from hunger and the bitterness of the wilderness.
I think they migrate quite slowly, settling for some time to rest. They were also mostly hunters and shepherds, so migrating from one pasture or hunting ground to another seemed pretty reasonable to them.
@@АнтонОрлов-я1ъ Maybe the rest of middle earth was uninhabited with only animals and trees for the taking. Morgoth focused only in Beleriand. That's why humans managed to migrate all over the continent in just a decades. and maybe the avari and silvan elves taught them basic hunting and gathering
@@Byenie0912 There definitely were some settlements of Avari and Silvan Elves there, as well as Dwarves (who could provide early Men with some metal weapons and tools in exchange for food). There probably were some orcs and other monsters, but since Morgoth was far away they weren't well-organized and well-equipped. However, it seems that those inhabitants weren't numerous and most of Middle Earth was completely uninhabited at that time.
Hey Darth, can you make a Video about Amandil and what happened to him? Maybe he (and his companions) did reached Valinor and was allowed to stay there like his ancestor Tuor? Would be very interesting since there isn't much Here to find on RUclips🙏🏻
Concerning Forodwaith : so what about the Innuit of our time? Perhaps Solutrean Ice Age hunters roaming the Coasts? The extreme Northern settlements of the Scandinavian peoples? Lots of reasons.
I like the variety and diversity of Men and Dwarves than Elves. There's clearly a lot more about the differences of Men across Middle-earth than what others know. Our human species have all sorts of different traits from each region and the next. Easterlings and Haradrim certainly have more than it seems. Heck questions like are there Indians? or Asians featured from Chinese-Korean-Japanese-like? Tolkien seems a bit hypocrite of portraying the Easterlings as nothing barbaric. Like what classic Europe back then thought the people from the east as savages, uncultured, and warlike. It's a bit rich coming from them when they do conflicts and wars all the time. Definitely the picture reading the books are incomplete. This is because no one from the West goes to the East and documents the findings. Not even Saruman who goes there for a decade doing who knows what. When he return westward and establish a position in Orthanc (granted the key to the tower by Gondor). The wizard never written any records. He may have but never mentioned. He may have gone there to contact the Blue Wizards, as well understanding the nature and society built that wasn't affected heavily during the First Age.
For me the house of Beor feels similar to Celtic people, House of Hador to Germanic people and House of Haleth to Slavic people. That's simplification of course, but an easy way to envision them.
House of Hador (as well as all the Northmen) is clearly Germanic, while there are indications that the House of Haleth has similarities with Celts, at least in terms of language, as АнтонОрлов-я1ъ has already pointed out. The House of Beor is not entirely clear. In terms of culture and appearance, I would also recognize more Celtic similarities, but in terms of language they are closely related to the House of Hador. So I would say that you can only make limited comparisons between the two Houses Haleth/Beor and real peoples. Although Tolkien gave the Dunlendings, who are related to the House of Haleth, Celtic words, these peoples are rather reclusive and wild, whereas the Celts were comparatively civilized and highly developed, almost like the Romans. In terms of higher culture, I therefore see more similarities between the House of Beor and the Celts. Ultimately, you can only ever transfer partial aspects to the real world, which also fits in with the fact that Tolkien didn't want to write allegories, even though he was clearly inspired by European history and mythology. If I remember correctly, it is described that the Houses of Hador and Beor had the same origins, but then settled in different places at a large lake, hence the linguistic affinity. The House of Beor was perhaps on the more southern side and mixed with other people there who had darker hair... As far as Slavic peoples are concerned, I hardly see any equivalents in Middle-earth. To be honest, I would rather assume them to be one of the many peoples of the Easterlings (perhaps the ones with the beards and axes, although that also sounds pretty Nordic or could mean anything). Perhaps also the people of Dorwinion, which would at least fit in terms of the map, because they are the south-eastern neighbors of the people of Dale, who strongly resemble Scandinavians. By the way, there is no real-world equivalent for a well-known wine-growing region so far to the north and east of Europe. All very speculative, but maybe Darth Gandalf can make a video on the subject ;-)
@@Sockenmodulator Rhûn is clearly correspondent of the Caspian, to whose west vine is grown, the Celduin of the Volga, Esgaroth of Aldeigjuborg, to whose west the Sindari/Finns rule.
_"Greetings, Caranthir. My name is Ulfang the Black, also known as the Schemer and the Duplicitous. And this is my son Uldor the Accursed, also known as the Faithless and the False Hearted Double Crosser of Elves. We pledge to you our undying loyalty! "_ Caranthir: _"Sounds good."._ And one of Uldor's brothers' names translates literally as "Ugly Betrayer". :P See also: Theoden appointing somebody named Grima _"Trust me Bro"_ Wormtongue to be his XO.
@@tiltskillet7085 To be fair, Uldor definitely was called "the Accused" after the betrayal. Also it is possible that all those names are from Sindarin, in which case the interaction probably looked something like that: "Greetings, Caranthir. My name is Shanghvarzhigrung Akhrd-Tw'wurgurugug. I pledge to you my undying loyalty! " "Ahem, I am not going to pronounce that name. I am going to call you Ulfang, is that okay?" "Fine... And what does that name means?" "Ugh... It means Ugly Beard... Because, you know, your beard is really ugly..." Shanghvarzhigrung Akhrd-Tw'wurgurugug begins to plot the betrayal. As for Grima Wormtomgue, in Rohorric Grima means "Visor, face-mask (of a helmet)", and Wormtongue (Wyrmtunge) means "snake-tongued" or "dragon-tongued", suggesting wisdom and not treacherousness. Bot names are quite suitable for king's steward and advisor.
let's see, there's the Peter Jackson fan boys; the people who prefer the Hobbit animated movie, but not the Ralph Bashki films; the people who don't know there were three Hobbit movies and of course, the Silmarillion snobs
In the European Epic, based in a region that will become Northwest Europe. Also, Dunlandings are white, the hill men are white, didn't mention the evil white men. Why are you so racist?
It should be noted that in the Return of the King, the actual book itself and not the P. Jackson movie, the wild Easterlings were the one group of Pro-Sauron combatants that lasted the longest, so long in-fact that they were the last to yield to the armies of the West under King Elessar aka Aragorn II.
Actually 🤓 🤓 Aragorn Strider wasn’t king Aragorn, he was king Elessar. Aragorn the first wasn’t king just chieftain of the Dúnedain
@@Baelor-Breakspear My bad, edited it.
@@SirBolsón I was just goofing around it was totally fine. Sorry to come across as a jerk
@@Baelor-Breakspear Nah, it's all good. Based name btw.
@ same to you good sir Boggins
“We all long for Eden, and we are constantly glimpsing it: our whole nature at its best and least corrupted, its gentlest and most human, is still soaked with the sense of exile.”
- J. R. R. Tolkien
Wonderful video! Today I was casually reading the Unfinished Tales, it's really a gold mine for anyone interested in these topics, especially the chapters about the Druedain and the Gwaithrim
The Druedain had the most sense of any Númenoreans. Every single one left the island before it was destroyed. Smart people those Woses
@@Baelor-Breakspear The wise Wose?
Fascinating video! I love these longer form ones that tie together various elements of the Legendarium that are typically scattered throughout the larger work. My thanks to you.
Brilliant video!
I love the topic of the different groups of men and seeing how they developed over time
The biggest tragedy of Tolkien's legendarium is the lack of info on the East & South
Wow. I'm super early. Awesome idea for a video. I love the different groups of humans in middle earth, so explaining the origins of them is great.
Awesome video, thanks for sharing! Particularly loved how you didn't miss that one-off reference in the Grey Annals to those rellies of the Sons of Bor who remained in Eriador. Interested in your take on the etymology of 'Gwathuirim'. My view is that it's derived from the early Numenorean explorers' perspective on where this people lived, ie. on either side of the Gwathlo River, rather than the Numenoreans' perspective of them being a hostile people. Yes, they were (translated literally) 'Shadow-people' but in the sense of those who lived by the 'River of Shadow' (Gwath-hir)) , later the 'shadowy river from the fens' (Gwathlo), as Tolkien put it more poetically. Anyway, that's my 10 castars worth!
I have been waiting for this video for years, thank you for making it.
Great video! One topic I think is brushed over and not really talked about is the presence of Wizards and Sorcerers in Middle Earth. I'm not talking about the Big 5. Basically the Big 5 couldn't operate if people thought they were something new, and something special.
All of these summary videos are great. I'll ask you to do this for all of the major races!
Again, top tier video.
I would most certainly love & support some lore-accurate adaptations of Tolkien's world of Middle-Earth that look into the myths, tales, wars and fantastical dynamics of these "Men in Middle-Earth" than what we have now with the Rings of Power by Amazon....
If only they decided to go with the early/middle Third Age, it could've been like an anthology series with stories from across the land
Have to remember that the Tolkien estate are pretty guarded with the IP so ROP only have a tiny amount of source material to draw from
No one should regard anything from RoP as being lore accurate without independently verifying it. And there is a precious little that will pass such scrutiny.
@@istari0 The names; in fact, _some_ names. That's about it.
Woohoo new video
Wow! So happy a comment left on a previous video got a video! Great topic to explore!
"Cheers, farewell, and remember: Farewell, remember, and cheers!"
Haleth are my faves and Dunlendings thanks mate
The first house description led to eye rolling.
Always appreciate your uploads. If you need an idea, Id be curious to hear your take on what you would like from a 3rd Shadows of Mordor game. I joked with my buddy Shadows of Umbar would be fun if it plays like Black Flag for the ship combat
A black flag style game would be epic! I had an idea for a game set in gundabad and or or the misty mountains as a whole fighting goblins. Or a game where you play as a dwarf survivalist trying to not die in moria during the fall of balins colony.
Last time I was this early, Eru Ilúvatar was yet to bestow his gift upon humanity!
I would love to see a similar video but for elves and dwarves each having there own individual video
For some reason I’m obsessed with Adunaic. Idk why
Thanks for the content cheers and I've always wondered what hildorien was like and was there a mountain chain called the mountains of wind?
Woodmen from Mikrwood.
I think the video would be better if you could mark the regions on the map of middle earth. Can’t quite figure out where which group is located
Darth Gandalf: Cheers, farewell and remember that if you brought your Iphone to Middle Earth, they would also view it as some kind of "strange magic" 😅
A mystery for me is how they managed to survive the hundred years journey from Hildorien to Beleriand?
the Edain didn't have any Valar guiding them. there's no immortal body to shield them from hunger and the bitterness of the wilderness.
I'm sure many of them didn't survive.
I think they migrate quite slowly, settling for some time to rest. They were also mostly hunters and shepherds, so migrating from one pasture or hunting ground to another seemed pretty reasonable to them.
@@АнтонОрлов-я1ъ
Maybe the rest of middle earth was uninhabited with only animals and trees for the taking. Morgoth focused only in Beleriand. That's why humans managed to migrate all over the continent in just a decades.
and maybe the avari and silvan elves taught them basic hunting and gathering
@@Byenie0912 There definitely were some settlements of Avari and Silvan Elves there, as well as Dwarves (who could provide early Men with some metal weapons and tools in exchange for food). There probably were some orcs and other monsters, but since Morgoth was far away they weren't well-organized and well-equipped. However, it seems that those inhabitants weren't numerous and most of Middle Earth was completely uninhabited at that time.
What about the Men of Tharbad? I think they deserve a mention if not a separate video.
Hey Darth, can you make a Video about Amandil and what happened to him? Maybe he (and his companions) did reached Valinor and was allowed to stay there like his ancestor Tuor?
Would be very interesting since there isn't much Here to find on RUclips🙏🏻
There isn't much to find anywhere. As far as I know, Tolkien never wrote more than what is in the Akallabeth.
@ i sadly think so too :/ maybe Dartg find something or at least good assumptions ;)
Thanks
Concerning Forodwaith : so what about the Innuit of our time? Perhaps Solutrean Ice Age hunters roaming the Coasts? The extreme Northern settlements of the Scandinavian peoples?
Lots of reasons.
I like the variety and diversity of Men and Dwarves than Elves.
There's clearly a lot more about the differences of Men across Middle-earth than what others know. Our human species have all sorts of different traits from each region and the next. Easterlings and Haradrim certainly have more than it seems. Heck questions like are there Indians? or Asians featured from Chinese-Korean-Japanese-like?
Tolkien seems a bit hypocrite of portraying the Easterlings as nothing barbaric. Like what classic Europe back then thought the people from the east as savages, uncultured, and warlike. It's a bit rich coming from them when they do conflicts and wars all the time. Definitely the picture reading the books are incomplete. This is because no one from the West goes to the East and documents the findings. Not even Saruman who goes there for a decade doing who knows what. When he return westward and establish a position in Orthanc (granted the key to the tower by Gondor). The wizard never written any records. He may have but never mentioned. He may have gone there to contact the Blue Wizards, as well understanding the nature and society built that wasn't affected heavily during the First Age.
what background do you use?
Quarterpounders
Algormancy!
💜💙💚💛🧡❤️
For me the house of Beor feels similar to Celtic people, House of Hador to Germanic people and House of Haleth to Slavic people. That's simplification of course, but an easy way to envision them.
I think you mean Nordic as the third house
I think that House of Haleth is more similar to Celts (at least Tolkien used some Celtic roots for the language of Dunlendings).
House of Hador (as well as all the Northmen) is clearly Germanic, while there are indications that the House of Haleth has similarities with Celts, at least in terms of language, as АнтонОрлов-я1ъ has already pointed out.
The House of Beor is not entirely clear. In terms of culture and appearance, I would also recognize more Celtic similarities, but in terms of language they are closely related to the House of Hador.
So I would say that you can only make limited comparisons between the two Houses Haleth/Beor and real peoples. Although Tolkien gave the Dunlendings, who are related to the House of Haleth, Celtic words, these peoples are rather reclusive and wild, whereas the Celts were comparatively civilized and highly developed, almost like the Romans. In terms of higher culture, I therefore see more similarities between the House of Beor and the Celts. Ultimately, you can only ever transfer partial aspects to the real world, which also fits in with the fact that Tolkien didn't want to write allegories, even though he was clearly inspired by European history and mythology.
If I remember correctly, it is described that the Houses of Hador and Beor had the same origins, but then settled in different places at a large lake, hence the linguistic affinity. The House of Beor was perhaps on the more southern side and mixed with other people there who had darker hair...
As far as Slavic peoples are concerned, I hardly see any equivalents in Middle-earth. To be honest, I would rather assume them to be one of the many peoples of the Easterlings (perhaps the ones with the beards and axes, although that also sounds pretty Nordic or could mean anything). Perhaps also the people of Dorwinion, which would at least fit in terms of the map, because they are the south-eastern neighbors of the people of Dale, who strongly resemble Scandinavians. By the way, there is no real-world equivalent for a well-known wine-growing region so far to the north and east of Europe.
All very speculative, but maybe Darth Gandalf can make a video on the subject ;-)
@@Sockenmodulator Rhûn is clearly correspondent of the Caspian, to whose west vine is grown, the Celduin of the Volga, Esgaroth of Aldeigjuborg, to whose west the Sindari/Finns rule.
@@genovayork2468 Interesting theory, but do you have any relevant sources for it?
For the algorithm
Dudes name was Ulfang and nobody figured out they were traitors??
_"Greetings, Caranthir. My name is Ulfang the Black, also known as the Schemer and the Duplicitous. And this is my son Uldor the Accursed, also known as the Faithless and the False Hearted Double Crosser of Elves. We pledge to you our undying loyalty! "_ Caranthir: _"Sounds good."._ And one of Uldor's brothers' names translates literally as "Ugly Betrayer". :P
See also: Theoden appointing somebody named Grima _"Trust me Bro"_ Wormtongue to be his XO.
@@tiltskillet7085 Okay but bro was named Caranthir the Dark. Probably didn't raise an eyebrow.
@@tiltskillet7085 To be fair, Uldor definitely was called "the Accused" after the betrayal. Also it is possible that all those names are from Sindarin, in which case the interaction probably looked something like that:
"Greetings, Caranthir. My name is Shanghvarzhigrung Akhrd-Tw'wurgurugug. I pledge to you my undying loyalty! "
"Ahem, I am not going to pronounce that name. I am going to call you Ulfang, is that okay?"
"Fine... And what does that name means?"
"Ugh... It means Ugly Beard... Because, you know, your beard is really ugly..."
Shanghvarzhigrung Akhrd-Tw'wurgurugug begins to plot the betrayal.
As for Grima Wormtomgue, in Rohorric Grima means "Visor, face-mask (of a helmet)", and Wormtongue (Wyrmtunge) means "snake-tongued" or "dragon-tongued", suggesting wisdom and not treacherousness. Bot names are quite suitable for king's steward and advisor.
@@АнтонОрлов-я1ъ Certainly. But if it wasn't clear, my comment was only meant in fun.
let's see, there's the Peter Jackson fan boys; the people who prefer the Hobbit animated movie, but not the Ralph Bashki films; the people who don't know there were three Hobbit movies and of course, the Silmarillion snobs
It is whispered there are even some that like The Rings of Power.
Of course the white ones are the most chosen
?
In the European Epic, based in a region that will become Northwest Europe.
Also, Dunlandings are white, the hill men are white, didn't mention the evil white men.
Why are you so racist?