at first, a polite viewer might think, "mr. carrier, dont be so condescending and snarky". but then one quickly realizes: *yes, these ridiculous and immoral bible stories deserve to be mocked into oblivion*
Richard Lucas - what in the world are you ranting about?? Was the video titled “How Atheists are better than Christians?”. You’re the one who is neither listening nor paying attention.
You only need to mock the stories if they are taken seriously. Which, unfortunately, is the case with the majority of people. I grew up reading stories from many different mythologies, so for me bible stories were just that: Interesting stories. There's really not much difference at the core between biblical mythology stories and Norse or Egyptian or Roman mythology stories. They are all stories of impossible beings doing impossible things, because humans appear to have a great liking for larger than life stories.
@@daogdaog lol naivety is the shield of religious morons. You need to believe in fake disgusting gods to tell you how to live your life. bo ang. youre entire life is a lie. you will die never having lived a single moment of truth.
AurochsReborn if there is no God the Creator, then show me just one hard and verifiable evidence that nature was responsible for the origin of biological life to support your atheism, showing that science is on your side.
baxtar1963 Actually, it wouldn't be a bad idea to create churches with this type of "sermon". If I were rich I would totally build a bunch of them and hire people like Richard Carrier.
Try watching the atheist experience. It come on every Sunday at 4pm central, and is the closet thing you’ll get to this every Sunday. Check out their RUclips channel
We really need to stop these people from trying to live out their delusion. It's not fair to have a group of crazy's ruin life for everyone. We have a good life, a wonderful planet, and nice people. Enjoy it already! And stop trying to make it die!
Why you want to be brainwashed as well. He is a pretender of knowledge. Put him against a good Christian thinker like Ravi Zacharias, or Josh McDowell and he will sink. He seems all knowledgeable that is because he has no competition
Yeah I wish it would hurry and come. Obviously you haven't read the book of Revelation. I would not like to live through what is coming. Severe earthquakes, war, plagues, meteors and you reckon that will give you peace.
@@paulbutler7874 ... I bet I've read the bible more times than you... that's what gets me about you assholes, you're so arrogant that you think you're the only ones that can read... you wish it would hurry up and come? so why wait, why don't you just a flying leap and end it all? and do us a favor and take some of your death cult friends with you
How come after the flood when all the evil ppl were killed in it evil still exist? You mean god knew beforehand that evil would still exist after he killed every living thing yet he did it anyway?
AnarchoRepublican Here's the flaw in your logic -- you think that the value of Truth can be monetarily measured in a land not accustomed to that truth. The fact that people will not pay to hear it doesn't mean that it's not nonetheless true and important. It only demonstrates what we know about people -- they're usually slow to change and don't enjoy their deeply-held religious beliefs being challenged....let alone paying someone to do it. Now go back to hell from whence you came. Or better still, try using both hemispheres of your brain in tandem. Or has the lack of use of your holistic processing caused that hemisphere to liquify?
AnarchoRepublican i think carrier's lack of popularity attributes to the fact that the topic he deals with such as historicity of Jesus is such an unpopular topic. In big picture, it doesn't even matter if Jesus existed. Even if Jesus existed his divinity is still under question and this question is one of the many popular debate topics which consequently draws bigger crowds.
AnarchoRepublican _"and payed off the little doctor'$ $20k in college loan$ in the bargain... not exactly unbiasedly funding Research"_ Given the millions of dollars funneled into Christian biblical research that presupposes Jesus, I think we can safely disregard your argument. Carrier could have made more money working at Burger King. He's clearly interested in this issue to the point where he doesn't care about money.
AnarchoRepublican You clearly have no credentials in the history department. Nor have you even listened to Carrier's arguments -- as evidenced by your failure to cite a single one, and preferring instead to use ad hominem and other speculative nonsense which others have already rebutted. The reason that cretins like you can't accept the Bible's stories as MYTH is simply because you cannot divine the meaning behind the myths. You have a clearly boorish and puerile mind, which will likely reveal a boorish and puerile understanding of Jesus. Imagine that...
AnarchoRepublican You are clearly reading someone elses synopsis and can't remember enough of the details because you didn't read it in Carrier's words in the first place. ``[3] I caution strongly against overzealous attempts to link Christianity with prior religions--see my critical comment on "Kersey Graves and The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors" (2003); and for a good comparative study see Hans-Josef Klauck, The Religious Context of Early Christianity: A Guide to Graeco-Roman Religions (2000). But I can't deny there are some intriguing parallels, including those between this story of Inanna and the story of the Incarnation of the Lord told in the Ascension of Isaiah. There are many important differences, but it is curious that in the Sumerian story Inanna descends through the seven gates of Hell, with a different encounter at each stage, and her humiliation and crucifixion are at the bottom. Similarly, in the Jewish story the Savior (Jesus) descends through the seven heavens, with a different encounter at each stage, and his humiliation and crucifixion are at the bottom. Jesus also supposedly said he would be "three days and three nights" in the grave (Matthew 12:40), while Inanna herself was dead for three days and three nights. Of course, we are told Jesus was not actually dead for three nights, only at most two, but it is still curious why there would be a tradition of his saying otherwise, a tradition matching that of Inanna. I admit these parallels are worth noting, but they are too little to make much of. For instance, Jonah 1:17 also shares the three-days-and-nights motif (and Matthew 12:40 explicitly draws from it), which, as I explain elsewhere, probably derived from a common ancient concept of death. See Richard Carrier, "Jewish Law, the Burial of Jesus, and the Third Day" (2002). On the Jonah parallel specifically (as a motif for death and resurrection), see Evan Fales, "Taming the Tehom," in Jeff Lowder & Bob Price, eds., The Empty Tomb: Jesus Beyond the Grave (2005). Therefore, the suggestion is not that the Christians "got the idea" of a third-day motif from Inanna cult (directly or by transmission through later religions), but that they "got the idea" from the same cultural concepts governing the construction of the Inanna myth.`` infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/improbable/crucified.html
Yea, I've done the whole church thing too and once you get "locked" into it based on the bible passages of fear bondage it's hard to get out. It's a religion for the weak and slave mind oriented person😡Smart people need to find their own path or spiritual path and leave abrahamic bible dogma to the weak.
Changeless being with ability to see the future and sufficient power to make things turn out however he pleases creates universe, decides he doesn't like how it turned out. It's a shame they couldn't get anyone to proofread this stuff.
+HebaruSan Don't forget it was a loving, omnipotent, and omniscient being. They failed? Hint: Only way such a being can fail is if they PLANNED to fail.. Right? (So it's technically not failing at all.)
Thanks, Richard Carrier for breaking this all down for us. Surprising we still have to refute absurd beliefs. Why is religion a thing? Adopt some ethical principles to your life if you are lacking human decency but why believe in these tall tales?
Steve really. Either you find your bible to be the true gospel (yes I know it’s a double Positive) then everything he read is in the bible is true. How he reads it is irrelevant. You can talk all you like but if it’s your bible that is your source of all your information than you have a huge problem. It’s a book of tales and has no historical truth. It is a great book of fiction and I did enjoy reading it both times I read it cover to cover.
@@Azozeo Idk I think Steve Wells of the skeptics annotated bible because Carrier stopped at most of the points pointed out in the SAB. Other wise I don't know,
I enjoy watching Richard's lectures and reading his books, both are full of information that are great for usage in the great debate. Thank-you for posting.
Was wondering why all these nutters & their crazy views came to be. No sport, no radio, no TV, no newspapers (couldn't read anyway), nothing much happening, nothing to do - I think it must have been boredom.
AnarchoRepublican I think you'd get a real wake up call if you actually looked into how worthless the historical record of Jesus is. The idea that we have to "deny history" is just laughable - History as a field has nothing to contribute with regards to that question. The only thing that can contribute is a dogmatic assertion that the gospels have a historical core before you start your investigation. Otherwise, you'll end up with a Jesus that develops gradually from a purely spiritual being that has no relationship with anything happening in history and who only reveals himself through scripture and personal revelation - to self declared prophets like Paul.
but you were much too smart to think that what one person says about something can be used as any evidence whatsoever regarding that thing. of course most everything we think we know has come to us this way. strange race we are - but where would we be if each of us, individually, had to confirm everything we were told? And yet, it is a process of undoing that is at the heart of every spiritual message.
world peace What the flip are you talking about? Are you seriously saying I should look into their claim? Perform an experiment of some kind? My teddy bear told me he puts all the rainbows in the sky. Rainbows exist. My story must be true then, according to you?
Rilian Sharp Is your mind a window onto the world? Do you really think that you live an evidence based life? If you do Id like to see the proof. Self doubt may be a difficult thing to do but it is necessary in the pursuit of truth. And of course to help prevent us making a terrible blunder when it comes to how we treat each other. The interesting thing about being deluded is that the deluded one does not know it - and in order for that to work one must find a logic for what one does believe.
world peace The person who said that rainbows prove the bible true is the one who lacks "self doubt". You seem to be sure of yourself. I'm saying I refrain from believing ridiculous things without evidence. So what the fuck are you even talking about.
Are you saying that rainbows are evidence for the bible? If so, you need to be more skeptical. Rainbows are consistent with the flood story but not evidence for it.
The apologetics is (wait for it) it did not rain before the flood! As I understand it, everything was watered by mists - yes, mists. How they grew crops I have not heard answered, especially rice
How is it possible for this compendium of ancient borrowings and tinkerings to still have the power to so influence us today? It's uncanny. Maybe the human race will eventually stop reading the stuff, believing the stuff, and get on with the business of living as purposefully as possible given short lives and no proof of immortality. I do wish Carrier sounded more like Hitchens. I love what he has to say but it's too cute and needs to be matured.
Carrier stated that the Jews went into captivity when the Persian empire arose. He misspoke. The Jews went into captivity when Judah was invaded by the Babylonians and Jehoiakim refused to pay tribute. When the Persians defeated the Babylonians in the late 6th century BCE, Cyrus the Great permitted the Jews to return to Judah. Many historians are of the opinion that Ezra composed Genesis while in Babylon, and in so doing converted many Babylonia myths, including the flood myth, into Hebrew myths.
THAT WAS AWESOME! I listened to this on my morning walk and was having many lol’s. Foraging in the looney bins of religion is amusing (in hindsight). This was my first listen and I look forward to more😍✌️
"He took your punishment, He paid your debt" What debt? Who would punish me and why? "Your sin is the cancer and Christ is the one dose pill" Who gave me the 'cancer'? Where is the evidence that the 'pill' exists and that it will work as claimed?
There is one point I don t agree about the suffering servant....It s not about the Messiah but the nation of Israel as a whole. Christians reinterpreted that as the Messiah.
Any good guesses on what the next would be "bible" will be? In say 1500/2000 years. A Stephen king novel could be the foundation for a new religion. Maybe the dead sea scrolls as this guy mentioned or the script to alien v predator! All ideas welcome, peace.
+wolfie498 Heaven and earth will pass away but the Word of God is forever...The Bible is proven to be a supernatural text that no man could have conspired to produce...Gods Word is an integrated message system that proves it had to be written and Authored by God outside our time and space continuum. Telling the End from the Beginning..
+Mike B What? I mean really, like... what? If god wrote the bible he really screwed up big. If any human where set out a book, so contradictory, looping, shizophrenic and just plain ridiculous they never would get a publishing contract. Telling from the ending is evidence for supernatural influence? Ever seen 'Memento'? Without a doubt a great movie, but hardly divine. Okay, sorry, that was a little impolite, I concede. But one thing you really have to explain: How is the bible 'proven' to be the work of supernatural forces? It is pretty well substantiated that the bible is the work of a few hundred scribes.
@@unicyclist97 don't laugh if the rapture happens and all the christians disappear, then hell on earth will appear. Oh you may have 3 1/2 years of fake peace, but that will be short lived.
Nice to hear some thoughts from a historian on ancient history. However, although he is convincing in illustrating the multiple influences on the early Jesus narrative, it's kind of hard to prove that a historical figure is not in the mixture, and he does not. Personally I'll settle for: The Jesus we know is nearly 100% myth. The Jesus that may or may not have lived is someone we will never know much about.
And now in 2019, a host of rapturists assert that the "rapture" is set for July 17,, 2019...one woman's youtube also sells little stuffed Robert the Rapture Rooster toys to enourage the faithful and "crow" them into wakefulness. You can't make this stuff up.
@@YY4Me133 did anybody not tell you that no one knows the day the Lord will come. So any prediction cannot be true and trusted. Just because people predict and it hasn't come true, doesn't mean it isn't real. We are told in the bible to watch for signs and they will be obvious for those who are watching, who do believe, and who are alert
The disappointment and horror will soon be yours and at the vanishing of millions of Christians will be your first hint at the horror the world will soon see. Romans 10:9-10 & 1 Cor 15:1-4
It won't and I won't. Referencing a line in a book of mythology is a pointless exercise. Why don't you get real and enjoy your life instead of waste it wishing for the end of the world.
Contains some stuff on Daniel's Seventy Sevens that I've never heard before...and I know quite a bit about it. Carrier is a god...not THE god, but who is?
"You claim to have a degree in chemistry, yet you're making unsubstantiated claims about biology and seem unable to say anything at all intelligent about bio chemistry." What "unsubstantiated claims about biology" did I make? "Congrats, you fail at science" You are not qualified to be a Judge.
OK Thanks for the insight. I'll use it sparingly. You seem like a courteous & gentle peacemaker, which I admire, as after 35 years of fundy lies & mind control you have the right to be truly pissed off. My exposure to Christian fundamentalism was through my eldest sister who in her early 20s, changed from being a bright & bubbly young lady to ugly, intolerant, bible toting, parent hating, marriage busting, self righteous hypocrite who broke my mums heart to loose her eldest daughter to a cult.
Well done for standing up and taking responsibility for yourself. I like your abbreviated term "xtians" Do you mind if I use it? Dan Dennett had it right when he said "Faith gives one a rolled gold excuse to stop thinking for your self" It's so true, but worse is the cruel hatred, self righteous judgmentalism, scorn, guilt & shame that's pored onto honest folks that's rife in fundi churches. In reality nobody can ever measure up as they are setup to fail so they can never win. Where's the love?
If the Earth were to be covered by a 9 kilometers thick layer of water in just 40 days, the pressure, the speed of the rain would kill everything instantly, hehe. Also the "Noah" dude. That's simple physics. I.e something ancient middle eastern goat-herders knew nothing about. : )
The funniest passage in Bible was Noah ark. Noah put around 4-5 million pair of animals on Ark. Big boat... Then God killed millions of innocent babies, and millions of innocent animals. Some nice dude huh!!!!!
the Lord Jesus will soon return and Richard Carrier will realize that being a proud, stiff necked know it all won't help him on Judgment Day. God gives grace and knowledge to the humble, the one who realizes they are sinful and need to be forgiven. how anyone could reject such a wonderful gift is beyond me. ask God to show you the truth of Jesus and the Holy Spirit will draw you to Him. but if you want to be arrogant and prideful, you are digging your own eternal grave.
You are right. Carrier will be on his knees in front of Jesus , and carrier will say with his own mouth that Jesus is Lord. Whether carrier wants to or not.....he will say it. And so will I.
Oh man that is priceless, really priceless, thanks for the biggest laugh I had for days! Though I did get odd looks from the people on the train. I mean what can anyone say against that? You've presented me with a copper bottomed, cast iron, gilt edged, AAA rated, rock solid argument that utterly destroys the rational evolution argument. Hmm interesting, does each species have its own saviour, (like Terry Pratchett's rat death character)? I wonder "Guinea Pig Jesus"? Do you think?
I know from the moment I made my first comment that no one would believe but truth be told that is the reason why I commented I have studied prophecy and know that many are on the verge of taking place or are in fact in the process of being fulfilled The point being, I think you would agree that when millions of Christians just vanish, that will be an eye opener I tell you, knowing what you are about to see and you will know you were told what was going to happen before it happened
Exellent , and for a better understanding here some notes; Originally the Earth (and heaven) is not created by Elohim/Yahweh through his divine will but by his Dioscuri, the Henchmen of the God of Heavens; Thunder (dark)and Lightning (bright). In Zoroastrian dualistic terms: Michael (dark standing figure, the Angel of Death) and Samael (bright falling figure, the Spirit of Life). Michael the great hero kills the male Sea-dragon and Samael the spirit revives her as female Earth (Gea). The Dragon was divided, parted, crossed, castrated. Earth is also divided in the four points of the compass. The Zodiac (heaven) is also divided in four seasons. So above, so below. The one Samael is allowed by the (supreme) God to Fall. to get Lost, to Arrive as a sacrifice (Magical as a star-sign or Physical in the flesh, this are later interpretations) or to be Delivered to his enemies. Some can argue that it is the character or nature of a Lightning to fall but anyway this is how the bright Lineage is seen. By falling down, ending his own life (being mortal) He brings life (salvation). Examples: Seth, Lot, Jozef, Aaron, Jacob, Joshua, snobnoses. distinct, hously, obedient, wiseguys.They come to fall but are able to survive (revive) by Believe. The other Michael look-a-likes, types are strong heroic figures, disobedient, rebellious, often men of the Wilderness, Hunters, outcasts, extravert impulsive in their behavior, tragic. Examples Adam, Cain, Ismael. Esau, Simeon, Moses. A dark Lineage through the bible. Becoming Immortal through their deeds. Famous sometimes Violent men. They stand but only as long God allows them, understoods them. Note; todays pope, the current Peter, Peter the new Moses. From the dark Lineage, per definition not infapable. Even the Archangels need support to stand by Mercy. Ironically, Samael the Light-bearer (Lucifer) in the Judeo-christian tradition comes to fall deep. His obedience turns into Pride. He will take the place of the supreme God because he thinks he deserves this position. His punishment to be cast out of Heaven. Roles change. Like men are cast out of Paradise. His brightness is taken away from him and now belongs to the Shechina; the Spirit that is God or emanates from God. The Ruach or breath. This is how Satan has developed, evolved, splitt of from the original trinity. On the other hand is there the Promise of a Messiach, an annointed or crossed savior, the new Highpriest who is also the new King. Michael the original Prince (King) also downgraded, no longer part of the trinity but still an archangel close to God. Because Monotheism was evolving, the sons of Elohim were downgraded into demons or Archangels (Sheraphim). Elohim's wifes or Asherah's disappeared and no longer named. Their title goes to the elevated / the Sheraph's (archangels). Original the wifes were seen upon or symbolised as trees or stakes. The tree of Knowledge or the tree of Life presented as a stake elevating/upholding a snake. Now the Law must be seen upon and by Moses it is presented as a Fiery Serpent on a pole. The serpent (dragon) is the earth with her knowledge or temptations who are depicted in the Law, she can condem but also set free. In astro-theology it is Libra (the Balance) what represents this concept of the trees.The modern christmas-tree is an heritage of the Astarte, wife of the Lord (Baal, Bel or El). The stormgod is an active (and Jealous) god. Depicted as an upright figure making a step forward. In the ancient eastern mythology it means he is the son of El (the supreme god). El is depicted as a sitting God (on a throne); the Law-giver. His symbol is the Bull bearing the Sun (Law) between his horns. Baal too has horns because he is the son of El. Sometimes El has triple horns to show he is higher in rank. El is a dying (sun) god which role is taken over by Yahweh. Aries the Ram replacing the Bull. The bull is the dragon, the sacrifice to make rebirth possible. Still to day; ritual slaughting of an animal plays a role in eastern religions. When the god of heaven dies, earth (and mankind) will be reborn. Yahweh is the creator and maintainer. The remaining spiritual leftover part of El. I am what I am remaining. The Holy Spirit emanates from him; So he is two persons. The male father (of his cures, and his creation) and the female Shekina (Sophia). His cures/sons glue together and developes into his only Son; one person. Three equal persons; the doctrine of the Trinity. Sophia also emanates from the Son. Father and Son are One and the same. When God dies there is Hope. What more can an atheist wish for?
Whoops! Starting at 7:08 mins. The Persians did not put an end to Jewish ambitions of world domination; that was done by the Babylonians a century or so earlier. I'm surprised Mr Carrier should make this kind of mistake. It doesn't alter his thesis, but it weakens his credibility as a serious historian.
That's true, we should always inquire and apply skepticism to authority when they make extraordinary claims and ensure they provide extraordinary evidence. It's the best way of separating fact from fiction and to guard us from being lead down dark foggy gullies of confused thinking. Well done. Chemistry was never my strong point during school but I've kept an open mind and learned heaps from people wiser than me. It's always best cross check info from multiple sources before accepting anything.
........then when the Millerite 2nd Coming of Christ in 1844 failed, Ellen G. White and others further re-interpreted the elusive prophecy and created the Seventh Day Adventists.
...I always thought of the rainbow as the vicious Spouse-Beater god's Weak-Sauce 'Apology Bouquet'...and wondered: IF God WAS both Truly REMORSEFUL, All-Knowing And "All-Powerful", (s)he SHOULD'VE restored Life to Every INNOCENT he had JUST Snuffed...
Does Richard say what English translation he is using? I missed it, if he did, and would appreciate someone pointing that out to me. He appears to be relying on numerous commentaries of an unknown translation from the original languages into English, without offering scholarly documentation for people to research back to the original Manuscript information for themselves. Isn't that a fail of the scientific method and peer review? Is he mocking the scientific method or is he mocking everyone listening by not giving the information needed to research his claims for ourselves? What about the results of the agnostic lead scientist's request for a 2nd testing on the Shroud of Turin when the first samples were shown to have been contaminated by a much later repair where cotton was expertly entwined with the original linen thread? FORENSICS on the Shroud of Turin ruclips.net/video/E_fSgPQYxkk/видео.html Unlike this funny speech from Richard, you can check that out for yourself.
At 7:11-7:39, it was Babylon that conquered Judah. This began in 602 BCE and culminated with the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem in 586 BCE.(Assyria began its conquest of Israel in 740 BCE and that culminated in 722 BCE) Eventually, in 539 BCE, the Persians conquered the Babylonians.
The problems with Carrier are that a) he has no charm as a speaker, unlike Dawkins or the late Hitchens, and b) he is either really dumb or really dishonest. Example: his whole passage on Zoroastrianism is very very speculative. Nobody knows when Zarathustra lived and who influenced who. It's entirely possible that Zarathustra got his ideas from captured Jews. Carrier must know this, which leads me to believe that he isn't the most honest character.
As interpretation, the "Flood" was materialistic Theism, believed as "Truth" before " in Spirit and in Truth." In addition to this insight, it was Egypt as source for Resurrection, Judgment in underworld, and literally, a "lake of fire"--- all from Egyptian Book of the Dead. Light and Darkness became foundational to Gnosticism.
Good show. I came here after he referenced this speech when talking about the likely non-existence of Jesus. While I don't agree with Carrier politically, I think we see eye-to-eye on many religious issues. However, I will note that Isaiah 53 is not a prophecy, but rather a lamentation of the past, and as such is not directly connected to Daniel 9, which is clearly an attempt at prophecy.
That which is erroneously being reported as "skull crushing" is actually Idol-smashing, "Dashing the idols of the Nations, which is the 'children' of materialistic Theism--- bashed like pottery upon the rocks. So in effect, some people are mocking the fact that Judaism was always in conflict with Pagan Theism--- whose "tradition" continually breaks First Commandment ! The only Jews who are not A--Theists have been "suckered" by "Babylon"
whales ? or Wales ... I know Wales is a bit shit me being English anorl... but if your gonna mock something centuries old at least use spell check.. apart from that hairy muff faIR ENOUGH... JUST a story to explain a rainbow.. nice story if you ask me ..
I shore wish some wonderful psychologist would do a paper on the mental status of people who WANT the world to end, and then publish it in local newspapers throughout the lands!!!! It probably turns out to be an "us-against-them" mentality , i.e., paranoid delusion, but I would be interested in knowing the SOURCE of this delusion, like maybe child abuse....or something. I think it has something to do with the "neener-neener-neener" complex.
Let's think critically and go with the odds. Best I understand the process, there's about 19 steps, in order, to change Lanosterol to cholesterol. Cholesterol, of course, is used all over the body. That comes out to 121 645 100 408 832 000 or so. 121 and a wad of zeros after it. There's that many ways this could go wrong and be out of order. Factorializing 19. It struck me one day that that number to 1 could be, yes, perhaps in some ways, the odds that there must be God. Sounds a bit humorous, but it does give someone reason to stop. At least if you don't believe by faith alone. Not to mention that process has to be encoded in your DNA to even make it happen at all. Let's pretend that's a proof of God. Now. What were you saying? I wouldn't go against the odds here.
The Ideology Behind Hebron Massacre By Prof. Israel Shahak It is wrong to assume that the mass murder in Hebron stemmed only from the opinions of a small group of extremists on the fringe of the Israeli political spectrum, the supporters of the late Meir Kahane. The ideology which inspired the killings is the same as that of the "Jewish Underground" of 1984. The members if this movement, who attempted to blow up the mosques of the Temple Mount, were caught red-handed while fixing bombs, timed to explode exactly on the beginning of the Sabbath, to nine Arab buses, so as to avoid the killing of any pious Jew. Daniel Ben-Simon (Davar, 27 February) quotes,for the first time, the real aims of the "Jewish Underground", and compares them with the better known aims of Kahane. While interrogating one "Jewish Underground" member, the Shin Bet were stunned by the downright Satanic idea underlying the plan to demolish the mosques on the Temple Mount. As the man explained to his interrogators, "the demolition of these mosques would have infuriated all the hundreds of millions of Muslims in the world. Their rage would inevitably have led to a war which in all likelihood would have escalated into a world war. In such a war the scale of casualties would be formidable enough to promote the process of Redemption of the Jews and the Land of Israel. All the Muslims would by then disappear, which means that everything would be ready for the coming of the Messiah." On the other hand, says Ben-Simon, "in one of his 12 books, Kahane justified the extermination of the Arabs as the surest way to bring about the "True Redemption of the Jews". The Redemption can occur in all its splendour, even right now, if all Jews resolve to keep the Commandments of the Lord. But the Redemption can also proceed through tragedy if the Jews refuse to obey the Lord. The difference is that True Redemption implies that the Jews cast away their fear of the Gentiles and fear only the Lord; which in turn means that they expel all the Arabs from the Land of Israel. So in order to bring on the Redemption we should expel all the Arabs."
It is the sacrificial system and His sacrifice was once for all. There is no forgiveness of sin unless there be the shedding of blood Everything is His and His creation He can do what He wants to. No one would in their right mind say He has no influence of what takes place and He has seen the end from the beginning and knows who will do what and who will believe upon Jesus The Christ of scriptures You have so little time remaining
Knowing what is going to happen is not making the events themselves happen. God is all knowing which is not predestination I believe that at the rapture all children will be taken but if not then it is not Gods fault but the parents My God came in the flesh and shed His Holy blood on the cross in payment for your sins. If you deny this gift it is actually you that condemns yourself It would be like have cancer and saying no to a one pill cure.
As I have already explained the resurrection/rapture could not happen until AFTER Israel became a nation again and the prophecy is as follows The generation to see the rebirth of Israel will be the same gen to see the 2nd advent. That generation is now 65 years old and the rapture takes place at least 7 years prior to the 2nd advent As we speak you are watching Isaiah 17:1 & Isaiah 19 in the process of being fulfilled Your time fast running out
That is not what Christ said and by what you say you have obviously never truly studied the issue I do hope you will understand the error of your ways when you see the rapture with your own eyes Can you not see Isaiah 17:1 & Isaiah 19 being fulfilled in stunning detail? Don't you know that these two prophecies lead right into Psalm 83? Times is short Romans 10:9-10 & 1 Cor 15:1-4
Here is why they are wrong and now is indeed the right time The generation to see the rebirth of Israel/fig tree will be the same generation to see the 2nd advent That generation is now 65 years old The resurrection/rapture takes place at least 7 years prior to the 2nd advent. You have very little time left to become a believer upon Jesus The Christ of scriptures Romans 10:9-10 & 1 Cor 15:1-4
So, sit back and watch as Isaiah 17, Isaiah 19, and Psalm 83 are fulfilled before your own eyes. Then watch as millions of Christians just vanish. Then watch as the anti christ emerges from a world in chaos. Watch as the 3rd temple is rebuilt in fact Google the 'Temple Institute' and see how everything is almost done for the rebuilding of the 3rd temple You have precious little time to come to your senses and become a believer upon Jesus The Christ of scriptures
There is only one way to be saved and that is through faith upon Jesus The Christ of scriptures Romans 10:9-10 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. As is also shown in 1 Cor 15:1-4
The bible is 1/3 prophetic and it is through these prophecies and their fulfillment that one sees what is going to happen. As we speak, Isaiah 17, Isaiah 19 are in the process of being fulfilled and these two prophecies will dovetail right into Psalm 83 It will be through this chaos that the anti christ will emerge and the resurrection/rapture takes place prior to the emergence of the anti christ
you said: "But the only true hero is Jesus Christ. His love, claims, and his sacrifice are unique in history." His love? Why would this highly spiritual man approve and advocate slavery? I can't see why anyone who claims to have such love and compassion for others, would not see the evil in slavery, owning a person as your personal property! What sacrifice did he make if the resurrection was true and he's alive today? What was the sacrifice?
I'm saying god is no better than satan...no, he's worse. Since he's supposed to be all powerful, and nothing happens outside of his will, then he's responsible. Are you claiming the bible is god's word? Prove it! Do you know how the bible came to be, and why? If a god wanted to impart instructions for us to follow, why wouldn't he give us a book made by his own hand, not pieced together by multiple authors over centuries. I wouldn't want to be like the bible tyrant, threatening man with hell.
Yes, an individual drastically divergent on a genetic and/or morphological level is less likely to breed within that population....but again, you;re omitting both the fact that each organism within a population is genetically divergent to a degree (including so called identical twins) AND that this divergence gets recycled back into the gene pool unless isolation of a breeding population from the main group occurs.
at first, a polite viewer might think, "mr. carrier, dont be so condescending and snarky". but then one quickly realizes: *yes, these ridiculous and immoral bible stories deserve to be mocked into oblivion*
Richard Lucas - what in the world are you ranting about?? Was the video titled “How Atheists are better than Christians?”. You’re the one who is neither listening nor paying attention.
You only need to mock the stories if they are taken seriously. Which, unfortunately, is the case with the majority of people. I grew up reading stories from many different mythologies, so for me bible stories were just that: Interesting stories. There's really not much difference at the core between biblical mythology stories and Norse or Egyptian or Roman mythology stories. They are all stories of impossible beings doing impossible things, because humans appear to have a great liking for larger than life stories.
Richard presentation is designed to make money from naive atheists.
@@daogdaog lol naivety is the shield of religious morons. You need to believe in fake disgusting gods to tell you how to live your life. bo ang. youre entire life is a lie. you will die never having lived a single moment of truth.
AurochsReborn if there is no God the Creator, then show me just one hard and verifiable evidence that nature was responsible for the origin of biological life to support your atheism, showing that science is on your side.
Now if there was a place to go every Sunday and listen to this kind breakdown of the Bible I would go.
baxtar1963 I love this guy.
baxtar1963 Actually, it wouldn't be a bad idea to create churches with this type of "sermon". If I were rich I would totally build a bunch of them and hire people like Richard Carrier.
This might be a great idea, I would love to go to something like this as well.
AnarchoRepublican
Butthurt troll aren’t you ???
Try watching the atheist experience. It come on every Sunday at 4pm central, and is the closet thing you’ll get to this every Sunday. Check out their RUclips channel
We really need to stop these people from trying to live out their delusion. It's not fair to have a group of crazy's ruin life for everyone. We have a good life, a wonderful planet, and nice people. Enjoy it already! And stop trying to make it die!
Steve Harvey Destruction is inevitable, no one can't stop it, neither this foolishness
A good life? A beautiful planet? It's all death. Where are you living?
Carrier is brilliant, incredibly well researched and superbly analysed and critically evaluated.
I can't get enough of Richard Carrier talks.
Why you want to be brainwashed as well. He is a pretender of knowledge. Put him against a good Christian thinker like Ravi Zacharias, or Josh McDowell and he will sink. He seems all knowledgeable that is because he has no competition
"The rainbow is God's sticky note: 'Don't Kill Men!' ".
Michael the rainbow is me pissing on earth
+Michael, so a almighty god who created everything and everyone needs a reminder?
correction "The rainbow is God's skicky note: Dont kill Men with Global Water!" Jesus is coming back to kill with fire and brimstone
There's always more room for notes and doodles on a sticky note :p
@mPky1 He has a note stuck to his refrigerator with a magnet that say's Remember Rainbow means DO NOT DESTROY ALL OF THEM!
A World Gone Totally Insane
Aah Rapture Day... wish it would get here already so these fanatics would finally go and leave the rest of us to enjoy some peace and happiness.
Amen and amen!!!
Yeah I wish it would hurry and come. Obviously you haven't read the book of Revelation. I would not like to live through what is coming. Severe earthquakes, war, plagues, meteors and you reckon that will give you peace.
@@paulbutler7874 ... I bet I've read the bible more times than you... that's what gets me about you assholes, you're so arrogant that you think you're the only ones that can read...
you wish it would hurry up and come? so why wait, why don't you just a flying leap and end it all? and do us a favor and take some of your death cult friends with you
I love Groucho :)
How come after the flood when all the evil ppl were killed in it evil still exist? You mean god knew beforehand that evil would still exist after he killed every living thing yet he did it anyway?
this guy is awesome
AnarchoRepublican Here's the flaw in your logic -- you think that the value of Truth can be monetarily measured in a land not accustomed to that truth. The fact that people will not pay to hear it doesn't mean that it's not nonetheless true and important. It only demonstrates what we know about people -- they're usually slow to change and don't enjoy their deeply-held religious beliefs being challenged....let alone paying someone to do it. Now go back to hell from whence you came. Or better still, try using both hemispheres of your brain in tandem. Or has the lack of use of your holistic processing caused that hemisphere to liquify?
AnarchoRepublican i think carrier's lack of popularity attributes to the fact that the topic he deals with such as historicity of Jesus is such an unpopular topic. In big picture, it doesn't even matter if Jesus existed. Even if Jesus existed his divinity is still under question and this question is one of the many popular debate topics which consequently draws bigger crowds.
AnarchoRepublican _"and payed off the little doctor'$ $20k in college loan$ in the bargain... not exactly unbiasedly funding Research"_
Given the millions of dollars funneled into Christian biblical research that presupposes Jesus, I think we can safely disregard your argument. Carrier could have made more money working at Burger King. He's clearly interested in this issue to the point where he doesn't care about money.
AnarchoRepublican
You clearly have no credentials in the history department. Nor have you even listened to Carrier's arguments -- as evidenced by your failure to cite a single one, and preferring instead to use ad hominem and other speculative nonsense which others have already rebutted.
The reason that cretins like you can't accept the Bible's stories as MYTH is simply because you cannot divine the meaning behind the myths. You have a clearly boorish and puerile mind, which will likely reveal a boorish and puerile understanding of Jesus. Imagine that...
AnarchoRepublican
You are clearly reading someone elses synopsis and can't remember enough of the details because you didn't read it in Carrier's words in the first place.
``[3] I caution strongly against overzealous attempts to link Christianity with prior religions--see my critical comment on "Kersey Graves and The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors" (2003); and for a good comparative study see Hans-Josef Klauck, The Religious Context of Early Christianity: A Guide to Graeco-Roman Religions (2000). But I can't deny there are some intriguing parallels, including those between this story of Inanna and the story of the Incarnation of the Lord told in the Ascension of Isaiah. There are many important differences, but it is curious that in the Sumerian story Inanna descends through the seven gates of Hell, with a different encounter at each stage, and her humiliation and crucifixion are at the bottom. Similarly, in the Jewish story the Savior (Jesus) descends through the seven heavens, with a different encounter at each stage, and his humiliation and crucifixion are at the bottom. Jesus also supposedly said he would be "three days and three nights" in the grave (Matthew 12:40), while Inanna herself was dead for three days and three nights. Of course, we are told Jesus was not actually dead for three nights, only at most two, but it is still curious why there would be a tradition of his saying otherwise, a tradition matching that of Inanna.
I admit these parallels are worth noting, but they are too little to make much of. For instance, Jonah 1:17 also shares the three-days-and-nights motif (and Matthew 12:40 explicitly draws from it), which, as I explain elsewhere, probably derived from a common ancient concept of death. See Richard Carrier, "Jewish Law, the Burial of Jesus, and the Third Day" (2002). On the Jonah parallel specifically (as a motif for death and resurrection), see Evan Fales, "Taming the Tehom," in Jeff Lowder & Bob Price, eds., The Empty Tomb: Jesus Beyond the Grave (2005). Therefore, the suggestion is not that the Christians "got the idea" of a third-day motif from Inanna cult (directly or by transmission through later religions), but that they "got the idea" from the same cultural concepts governing the construction of the Inanna myth.``
infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/improbable/crucified.html
Insightful, informative and hilarious! Thanks!
Kickstarter project: Richard Carrier reads the Bible, audiobook.
He reads it better than any priest, preacher or lector I've ever heard.
Richard Carrier can read the Bible, but only if his audiobook has lots and lots of observations and digressions.
There's always Hugo and Jake in The Bible Reloaded 😄
XalphYT I would pay everything in my bank account for that audiobook.
He should team up with Aron Ra, who also has a great speaking voice when reciting scripture.
Your looking at christianity in the wrong way, its big busines an a lot of money for the preachers an many others.....
They DO love DAT TAX EXEMPTION, don't DEY? Tax the fuck out of churches.
It is hard to imagine how in 2018 and in spite of how ridiculous the whole thing is that people still believe in such nonsense.
Yea, I've done the whole church thing too and once you get "locked" into it based on the bible passages of fear bondage it's hard to get out. It's a religion for the weak and slave mind oriented person😡Smart people need to find their own path or spiritual path and leave abrahamic bible dogma to the weak.
Changeless being with ability to see the future and sufficient power to make things turn out however he pleases creates universe, decides he doesn't like how it turned out. It's a shame they couldn't get anyone to proofread this stuff.
+HebaruSan Don't forget it was a loving, omnipotent, and omniscient being.
They failed?
Hint: Only way such a being can fail is if they PLANNED to fail.. Right? (So it's technically not failing at all.)
+HebaruSan ...you're right of course. Funniest comment I've read for a while....
It's crazy I know
They did. The proofreaders got murdered for their objections.
Thanks, Richard Carrier for breaking this all down for us. Surprising we still have to refute absurd beliefs. Why is religion a thing? Adopt some ethical principles to your life if you are lacking human decency but why believe in these tall tales?
Steve really. Either you find your bible to be the true gospel (yes I know it’s a double Positive) then everything he read is in the bible is true. How he reads it is irrelevant. You can talk all you like but if it’s your bible that is your source of all your information than you have a huge problem. It’s a book of tales and has no historical truth. It is a great book of fiction and I did enjoy reading it both times I read it cover to cover.
onedreamshaper100, who the fuck is Steve?
@@Azozeo Idk I think Steve Wells of the skeptics annotated bible because Carrier stopped at most of the points pointed out in the SAB. Other wise I don't know,
I enjoy watching Richard's lectures and reading his books, both are full of information that are great for usage in the great debate. Thank-you for posting.
He speaks so well; changing space, tone and gestures. Like a stand up comic, lecture and Bishop rolled into one.
Was wondering why all these nutters & their crazy views came to be. No sport, no radio, no TV, no newspapers (couldn't read anyway), nothing much happening, nothing to do - I think it must have been boredom.
AnarchoRepublican Touche'! :)
AnarchoRepublican I think you'd get a real wake up call if you actually looked into how worthless the historical record of Jesus is. The idea that we have to "deny history" is just laughable - History as a field has nothing to contribute with regards to that question. The only thing that can contribute is a dogmatic assertion that the gospels have a historical core before you start your investigation. Otherwise, you'll end up with a Jesus that develops gradually from a purely spiritual being that has no relationship with anything happening in history and who only reveals himself through scripture and personal revelation - to self declared prophets like Paul.
AnarchoRepublican And, btw, what's an AnarchoRepublican?
12' 😅o
I watch this over and over. Funniest and most informative atheist talk in my opinion.
Someone in high school told me that rainbows were evidence that the bible is a true story.
but you were much too smart to think that what one person says about something can be used as any evidence whatsoever regarding that thing. of course most everything we think we know has come to us this way. strange race we are - but where would we be if each of us, individually, had to confirm everything we were told? And yet, it is a process of undoing that is at the heart of every spiritual message.
world peace What the flip are you talking about? Are you seriously saying I should look into their claim? Perform an experiment of some kind?
My teddy bear told me he puts all the rainbows in the sky. Rainbows exist. My story must be true then, according to you?
Rilian Sharp Is your mind a window onto the world? Do you really think that you live an evidence based life? If you do Id like to see the proof. Self doubt may be a difficult thing to do but it is necessary in the pursuit of truth. And of course to help prevent us making a terrible blunder when it comes to how we treat each other. The interesting thing about being deluded is that the deluded one does not know it - and in order for that to work one must find a logic for what one does believe.
world peace The person who said that rainbows prove the bible true is the one who lacks "self doubt". You seem to be sure of yourself. I'm saying I refrain from believing ridiculous things without evidence. So what the fuck are you even talking about.
Are you saying that rainbows are evidence for the bible? If so, you need to be more skeptical. Rainbows are consistent with the flood story but not evidence for it.
Before the great flood I suppose water couldn't refract light.
The apologetics is (wait for it) it did not rain before the flood! As I understand it, everything was watered by mists - yes, mists. How they grew crops I have not heard answered, especially rice
from the OT to the NT all i can see is god doing Homer Simpson "DOHHHs" all through it....
Ducks weren't killed because they were evil. They were, at the time, CROCODUCKS.
Of course! It all makes sense, now!
How is it possible for this compendium of ancient borrowings and tinkerings to still have the power to so influence us today? It's uncanny. Maybe the human race will eventually stop reading the stuff, believing the stuff, and get on with the business of living as purposefully as possible given short lives and no proof of immortality. I do wish Carrier sounded more like Hitchens. I love what he has to say but it's too cute and needs to be matured.
Ahhaha. "Wife beater."
Carrier stated that the Jews went into captivity when the Persian empire arose. He misspoke. The Jews went into captivity when Judah was invaded by the Babylonians and Jehoiakim refused to pay tribute. When the Persians defeated the Babylonians in the late 6th century BCE, Cyrus the Great permitted the Jews to return to Judah. Many historians are of the opinion that Ezra composed Genesis while in Babylon, and in so doing converted many Babylonia myths, including the flood myth, into Hebrew myths.
The guy holding the camera had too much coffee.
THAT WAS AWESOME! I listened to this on my morning walk and was having many lol’s.
Foraging in the looney bins of religion is amusing (in hindsight).
This was my first listen and I look forward to more😍✌️
"He took your punishment, He paid your debt" What debt? Who would punish me and why?
"Your sin is the cancer and Christ is the one dose pill" Who gave me the 'cancer'? Where is the evidence that the 'pill' exists and that it will work as claimed?
There is one point I don t agree about the suffering servant....It s not about the Messiah but the nation of Israel as a whole. Christians reinterpreted that as the Messiah.
Any good guesses on what the next would be "bible" will be? In say 1500/2000 years. A Stephen king novel could be the foundation for a new religion. Maybe the dead sea scrolls as this guy mentioned or the script to alien v predator! All ideas welcome, peace.
+wolfie498 Heaven and earth will pass away but the Word of God is forever...The Bible is proven to be a supernatural text that no man could have conspired to produce...Gods Word is an integrated message system that proves it had to be written and Authored by God outside our time and space continuum. Telling the End from the Beginning..
+Mike B Soooo..... Harry potter then?
hmmmmm.... I'll say dragon ball z
+Mike B
What? I mean really, like... what? If god wrote the bible he really screwed up big. If any human where set out a book, so contradictory, looping, shizophrenic and just plain ridiculous they never would get a publishing contract. Telling from the ending is evidence for supernatural influence? Ever seen 'Memento'? Without a doubt a great movie, but hardly divine.
Okay, sorry, that was a little impolite, I concede. But one thing you really have to explain: How is the bible 'proven' to be the work of supernatural forces? It is pretty well substantiated that the bible is the work of a few hundred scribes.
Oprahism
It's sad to find out what a farce it is. As a kid, I believed this stuff
We were on holiday in America on this (yet another) rapture day, I was so disapointed lol.
WHY ?
Dimo Drenchev Because if all the christians disappeared you'd get free stuff?
Ahahaha
I was on a plane that day. So, I didn't die in the rapture.
@@unicyclist97 don't laugh if the rapture happens and all the christians disappear, then hell on earth will appear. Oh you may have 3 1/2 years of fake peace, but that will be short lived.
I love stand-up comedy about religion. Richard Carrier is good, but George Carlin was the best.
1:35 whales is spelled incorrectly
cheeple
He met Wales the country :-D
I noticed that too! Well the word "wales" is a word, it has to do with the width, for example, of the "cords" in corduroy pants, for one thing.
Nice to hear some thoughts from a historian on ancient history. However, although he is convincing in illustrating the multiple influences on the early Jesus narrative, it's kind of hard to prove that a historical figure is not in the mixture, and he does not. Personally I'll settle for: The Jesus we know is nearly 100% myth. The Jesus that may or may not have lived is someone we will never know much about.
One of his best lectures!! Love it!!
And now in 2019, a host of rapturists assert that the "rapture" is set for July 17,, 2019...one woman's youtube also sells little stuffed Robert the Rapture Rooster toys to enourage the faithful and "crow" them into wakefulness. You can't make this stuff up.
Another failed prediction, yet they never seem to tire of making them.
@@YY4Me133 did anybody not tell you that no one knows the day the Lord will come. So any prediction cannot be true and trusted. Just because people predict and it hasn't come true, doesn't mean it isn't real. We are told in the bible to watch for signs and they will be obvious for those who are watching, who do believe, and who are alert
"...a fad of jesuses going around trying to get killed" LMMFAO
The disappointment and horror will soon be yours and at the vanishing of millions of Christians will be your first hint at the horror the world will soon see.
Romans 10:9-10 & 1 Cor 15:1-4
Gnats get no respect.
It won't and I won't. Referencing a line in a book of mythology is a pointless exercise. Why don't you get real and enjoy your life instead of waste it wishing for the end of the world.
Nobody does this better. Awesome.
Contains some stuff on Daniel's Seventy Sevens that I've never heard before...and I know quite a bit about it. Carrier is a god...not THE god, but who is?
Yes, we need more Carrier, Loftus, Price, Harris, and so many more that need to be heard and/or read. Kudos!!
The Gospel According to Dennis the Menace.
+sayheydude101 Is that British Dennis the Menace (who is cool)?
Or American Dennis the Menace (who is a wimp)?
+ken smit American.
sayheydude101 was Gnasher their messiah?:p
Why would one want to have faith? Seems counter productive if you care about knowing what's true and not believe you know what is false.
Oh, oh, oh, I got to hit 'like' # 666!
I MUST be Satan!
Hail satan! :p
I won’t give you an upvote, or else you wouldn’t have 7 of them.
Some versions have it 666 and others have it 616? so which one is the right one?
one of the MANY issues with the perfect book the bible! smh
John 8:24 " I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins."
Love this guy.
"You claim to have a degree in chemistry, yet you're making unsubstantiated claims about biology and seem unable to say anything at all intelligent about bio chemistry."
What "unsubstantiated claims about biology" did I make?
"Congrats, you fail at science"
You are not qualified to be a Judge.
Love Carrier's presentations but my fav part is the comments from TheRaptureComes. That guy/girl is comedic gold
OK Thanks for the insight. I'll use it sparingly.
You seem like a courteous & gentle peacemaker, which I admire, as after 35 years of fundy lies & mind control you have the right to be truly pissed off.
My exposure to Christian fundamentalism was through my eldest sister who in her early 20s, changed from being a bright & bubbly young lady to ugly, intolerant, bible toting, parent hating, marriage busting, self righteous hypocrite who broke my mums heart to loose her eldest daughter to a cult.
*"Some folks calls it a sling blade, I calls it a kaiser blade.."~Karl Childers*
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Well done for standing up and taking responsibility for yourself. I like your abbreviated term "xtians" Do you mind if I use it?
Dan Dennett had it right when he said "Faith gives one a rolled gold excuse to stop thinking for your self" It's so true, but worse is the cruel hatred, self righteous judgmentalism, scorn, guilt & shame that's pored onto honest folks that's rife in fundi churches. In reality nobody can ever measure up as they are setup to fail so they can never win.
Where's the love?
Apologist must despise Carrier. xD
Sithis Padomay Apologists are just making money. They don't actually believe what they're saying.
This man mocks what he does not comprehend. That too is in scripture.
If the Earth were to be covered by a 9 kilometers thick layer of water in just 40 days, the pressure, the speed of the rain would kill everything instantly, hehe. Also the "Noah" dude. That's simple physics. I.e something ancient middle eastern goat-herders knew nothing about. : )
The water did kill everything. Noah did not have to know how to navigate. God was guiding the boat.
The funniest passage in Bible was Noah ark.
Noah put around 4-5 million pair of animals on Ark. Big boat...
Then God killed millions of innocent babies, and millions of innocent animals. Some nice dude huh!!!!!
Strangely...all the native mammals in Australia are marsupials not found anywhere else! It's almost as if evolution is true!
Reminds me of "Shall the Dust Praise?" by Damon Knight, where God finally returns, only to find a message from Man: We were here, where were you?
It's 2020 . Still ain't happen .
the Lord Jesus will soon return and Richard Carrier will realize that being a proud, stiff necked know it all won't help him on Judgment Day. God gives grace and knowledge to the humble, the one who realizes they are sinful and need to be forgiven.
how anyone could reject such a wonderful gift is beyond me. ask God to show you the truth of Jesus and the Holy Spirit will draw you to Him. but if you want to be arrogant and prideful, you are digging your own eternal grave.
You are right. Carrier will be on his knees in front of Jesus , and carrier will say with his own mouth that Jesus is Lord. Whether carrier wants to or not.....he will say it. And so will I.
Very informative, albeit short lecture. I think this will wake up a few minds. Maybe.
Oh man that is priceless, really priceless, thanks for the biggest laugh I had for days! Though I did get odd looks from the people on the train.
I mean what can anyone say against that? You've presented me with a copper bottomed, cast iron, gilt edged, AAA rated, rock solid argument that utterly destroys the rational evolution argument. Hmm interesting, does each species have its own saviour, (like Terry Pratchett's rat death character)? I wonder "Guinea Pig Jesus"? Do you think?
All jokes aside,
Love listening to mr carrier,
Thank myth for him
I know from the moment I made my first comment that no one would believe but truth be told that is the reason why I commented
I have studied prophecy and know that many are on the verge of taking place or are in fact in the process of being fulfilled
The point being, I think you would agree that when millions of Christians just vanish, that will be an eye opener
I tell you, knowing what you are about to see and you will know you were told what was going to happen before it happened
Where did the water go? No mention of that. Did it make a great waterfall at the edge of the flat earth?
God can bring the water....and He can also take it away.
Thanks for this video!!! Made my day!!!!!! There is not enough of Richard Carrier on RUclips!
Exellent , and for a better understanding here some notes;
Originally the Earth (and heaven) is not created by Elohim/Yahweh through his divine will but by his Dioscuri, the Henchmen of the God of Heavens; Thunder (dark)and Lightning (bright). In Zoroastrian dualistic terms: Michael (dark standing figure, the Angel of Death) and Samael (bright falling figure, the Spirit of Life). Michael the great hero kills the male Sea-dragon and Samael the spirit revives her as female Earth (Gea). The Dragon was divided, parted, crossed, castrated. Earth is also divided in the four points of the compass. The Zodiac (heaven) is also divided in four seasons. So above, so below.
The one Samael is allowed by the (supreme) God to Fall. to get Lost, to Arrive as a sacrifice (Magical as a star-sign or Physical in the flesh, this are later interpretations) or to be Delivered to his enemies. Some can argue that it is the character or nature of a Lightning to fall but anyway this is how the bright Lineage is seen. By falling down, ending his own life (being mortal) He brings life (salvation). Examples: Seth, Lot, Jozef, Aaron, Jacob, Joshua, snobnoses. distinct, hously, obedient, wiseguys.They come to fall but are able to survive (revive) by Believe.
The other Michael look-a-likes, types are strong heroic figures, disobedient, rebellious, often men of the Wilderness, Hunters, outcasts, extravert impulsive in their behavior, tragic. Examples Adam, Cain, Ismael. Esau, Simeon, Moses. A dark Lineage through the bible. Becoming Immortal through their deeds. Famous sometimes Violent men. They stand but only as long God allows them, understoods them. Note; todays pope, the current Peter, Peter the new Moses. From the dark Lineage, per definition not infapable. Even the Archangels need support to stand by Mercy.
Ironically, Samael the Light-bearer (Lucifer) in the Judeo-christian tradition comes to fall deep. His obedience turns into Pride. He will take the place of the supreme God because he thinks he deserves this position. His punishment to be cast out of Heaven. Roles change. Like men are cast out of Paradise. His brightness is taken away from him and now belongs to the Shechina; the Spirit that is God or emanates from God. The Ruach or breath. This is how Satan has developed, evolved, splitt of from the original trinity. On the other hand is there the Promise of a Messiach, an annointed or crossed savior, the new Highpriest who is also the new King. Michael the original Prince (King) also downgraded, no longer part of the trinity but still an archangel close to God.
Because Monotheism was evolving, the sons of Elohim were downgraded into demons or Archangels (Sheraphim). Elohim's wifes or Asherah's disappeared and no longer named. Their title goes to the elevated / the Sheraph's (archangels). Original the wifes were seen upon or symbolised as trees or stakes. The tree of Knowledge or the tree of Life presented as a stake elevating/upholding a snake. Now the Law must be seen upon and by Moses it is presented as a Fiery Serpent on a pole. The serpent (dragon) is the earth with her knowledge or temptations who are depicted in the Law, she can condem but also set free. In astro-theology it is Libra (the Balance) what represents this concept of the trees.The modern christmas-tree is an heritage of the Astarte, wife of the Lord (Baal, Bel or El).
The stormgod is an active (and Jealous) god. Depicted as an upright figure making a step forward. In the ancient eastern mythology it means he is the son of El (the supreme god). El is depicted as a sitting God (on a throne); the Law-giver. His symbol is the Bull bearing the Sun (Law) between his horns. Baal too has horns because he is the son of El. Sometimes El has triple horns to show he is higher in rank. El is a dying (sun) god which role is taken over by Yahweh. Aries the Ram replacing the Bull. The bull is the dragon, the sacrifice to make rebirth possible. Still to day; ritual slaughting of an animal plays a role in eastern religions. When the god of heaven dies, earth (and mankind) will be reborn.
Yahweh is the creator and maintainer. The remaining spiritual leftover part of El. I am what I am remaining. The Holy Spirit emanates from him; So he is two persons. The male father (of his cures, and his creation) and the female Shekina (Sophia). His cures/sons glue together and developes into his only Son; one person. Three equal persons; the doctrine of the Trinity. Sophia also emanates from the Son. Father and Son are One and the same. When God dies there is Hope. What more can an atheist wish for?
this is a brilliant guy with astounding knowledge
*... Brilliant, hilarious-- PERFECT FOR OUR TIMES AND CHALLENGES.*
OMG... that would be funny as hell....
Petition to have Richard Carrier make a snarky Audio Bible...
Whoops! Starting at 7:08 mins. The Persians did not put an end to Jewish ambitions of world domination; that was done by the Babylonians a century or so earlier. I'm surprised Mr Carrier should make this kind of mistake. It doesn't alter his thesis, but it weakens his credibility as a serious historian.
if you rot, you rot, lol.
That's true, we should always inquire and apply skepticism to authority when they make extraordinary claims and ensure they provide extraordinary evidence. It's the best way of separating fact from fiction and to guard us from being lead down dark foggy gullies of confused thinking.
Well done. Chemistry was never my strong point during school but I've kept an open mind and learned heaps from people wiser than me. It's always best cross check info from multiple sources before accepting anything.
........then when the Millerite 2nd Coming of Christ in 1844 failed, Ellen G. White and others further re-interpreted the elusive prophecy and created the Seventh Day Adventists.
@3:59 - I absolutely *LOVE* the inflection in Carrier's voice when he says that ironic _"the lord is good"_ line!! Fantastic.
...I always thought of the rainbow as the vicious Spouse-Beater god's Weak-Sauce 'Apology Bouquet'...and wondered:
IF God WAS both Truly REMORSEFUL, All-Knowing And "All-Powerful", (s)he SHOULD'VE restored Life to Every INNOCENT he had JUST Snuffed...
Does Richard say what English translation he is using? I missed it, if he did, and would appreciate someone pointing that out to me. He appears to be relying on numerous commentaries of an unknown translation from the original languages into English, without offering scholarly documentation for people to research back to the original Manuscript information for themselves. Isn't that a fail of the scientific method and peer review? Is he mocking the scientific method or is he mocking everyone listening by not giving the information needed to research his claims for ourselves? What about the results of the agnostic lead scientist's request for a 2nd testing on the Shroud of Turin when the first samples were shown to have been contaminated by a much later repair where cotton was expertly entwined with the original linen thread? FORENSICS on the Shroud of Turin ruclips.net/video/E_fSgPQYxkk/видео.html Unlike this funny speech from Richard, you can check that out for yourself.
At 7:11-7:39, it was Babylon that conquered Judah. This began in 602 BCE and culminated with the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem in 586 BCE.(Assyria began its conquest of Israel in 740 BCE and that culminated in 722 BCE) Eventually, in 539 BCE, the Persians conquered the Babylonians.
The problems with Carrier are that a) he has no charm as a speaker, unlike Dawkins or the late Hitchens, and b) he is either really dumb or really dishonest. Example: his whole passage on Zoroastrianism is very very speculative. Nobody knows when Zarathustra lived and who influenced who. It's entirely possible that Zarathustra got his ideas from captured Jews. Carrier must know this, which leads me to believe that he isn't the most honest character.
As interpretation, the "Flood" was materialistic Theism, believed as "Truth" before " in Spirit and in Truth." In addition to this insight, it was Egypt as source for Resurrection, Judgment in underworld, and literally, a "lake of fire"--- all from Egyptian Book of the Dead. Light and Darkness became foundational to Gnosticism.
Good show. I came here after he referenced this speech when talking about the likely non-existence of Jesus. While I don't agree with Carrier politically, I think we see eye-to-eye on many religious issues. However, I will note that Isaiah 53 is not a prophecy, but rather a lamentation of the past, and as such is not directly connected to Daniel 9, which is clearly an attempt at prophecy.
That which is erroneously being reported as "skull crushing" is actually Idol-smashing, "Dashing the idols of the Nations, which is the 'children' of materialistic Theism--- bashed like pottery upon the rocks. So in effect, some people are mocking the fact that Judaism was always in conflict with Pagan Theism--- whose "tradition" continually breaks First Commandment ! The only Jews who are not A--Theists have been "suckered" by "Babylon"
Attempts to explain volcanoes, tsunamis, earthquakes, lightning and thunder, all natural phenomena that couldn't yet be explained scientifically.
whales ? or Wales ... I know Wales is a bit shit me being English anorl... but if your gonna mock something centuries old at least use spell check.. apart from that hairy muff faIR ENOUGH... JUST a story to explain a rainbow.. nice story if you ask me ..
I shore wish some wonderful psychologist would do a paper on the mental status of people who WANT the world to end, and then publish it in local newspapers throughout the lands!!!! It probably turns out to be an "us-against-them" mentality , i.e., paranoid delusion, but I would be interested in knowing the SOURCE of this delusion, like maybe child abuse....or something. I think it has something to do with the "neener-neener-neener" complex.
Let's think critically and go with the odds. Best I understand the process, there's about 19 steps, in order, to change Lanosterol to cholesterol. Cholesterol, of course, is used all over the body. That comes out to 121 645 100 408 832 000 or so. 121 and a wad of zeros after it. There's that many ways this could go wrong and be out of order. Factorializing 19. It struck me one day that that number to 1 could be, yes, perhaps in some ways, the odds that there must be God. Sounds a bit humorous, but it does give someone reason to stop. At least if you don't believe by faith alone. Not to mention that process has to be encoded in your DNA to even make it happen at all. Let's pretend that's a proof of God. Now. What were you saying? I wouldn't go against the odds here.
The Ideology Behind Hebron Massacre
By Prof. Israel Shahak
It is wrong to assume that the mass murder in Hebron stemmed only from the opinions of a small group of extremists on the fringe of the Israeli political spectrum, the supporters of the late Meir Kahane. The ideology which inspired the killings is the same as that of the "Jewish Underground" of 1984. The members if this movement, who attempted to blow up the mosques of the Temple Mount, were caught red-handed while fixing bombs, timed to explode exactly on the beginning of the Sabbath, to nine Arab buses, so as to avoid the killing of any pious Jew. Daniel Ben-Simon (Davar, 27 February) quotes,for the first time, the real aims of the "Jewish Underground", and compares them with the better known aims of Kahane. While interrogating one "Jewish Underground" member, the Shin Bet were stunned by the downright Satanic idea underlying the plan to demolish the mosques on the Temple Mount. As the man explained to his interrogators, "the demolition of these mosques would have infuriated all the hundreds of millions of Muslims in the world. Their rage would inevitably have led to a war which in all likelihood would have escalated into a world war. In such a war the scale of casualties would be formidable enough to promote the process of Redemption of the Jews and the Land of Israel. All the Muslims would by then disappear, which means that everything would be ready for the coming of the Messiah." On the other hand, says Ben-Simon, "in one of his 12 books, Kahane justified the extermination of the Arabs as the surest way to bring about the "True Redemption of the Jews". The Redemption can occur in all its splendour, even right now, if all Jews resolve to keep the Commandments of the Lord. But the Redemption can also proceed through tragedy if the Jews refuse to obey the Lord. The difference is that True Redemption implies that the Jews cast away their fear of the Gentiles and fear only the Lord; which in turn means that they expel all the Arabs from the Land of Israel. So in order to bring on the Redemption we should expel all the Arabs."
It is the sacrificial system and His sacrifice was once for all. There is no forgiveness of sin unless there be the shedding of blood
Everything is His and His creation He can do what He wants to. No one would in their right mind say He has no influence of what takes place and He has seen the end from the beginning and knows who will do what and who will believe upon Jesus The Christ of scriptures
You have so little time remaining
Knowing what is going to happen is not making the events themselves happen. God is all knowing which is not predestination
I believe that at the rapture all children will be taken but if not then it is not Gods fault but the parents
My God came in the flesh and shed His Holy blood on the cross in payment for your sins. If you deny this gift it is actually you that condemns yourself
It would be like have cancer and saying no to a one pill cure.
As I have already explained the resurrection/rapture could not happen until AFTER Israel became a nation again and the prophecy is as follows
The generation to see the rebirth of Israel will be the same gen to see the 2nd advent. That generation is now 65 years old and the rapture takes place at least 7 years prior to the 2nd advent
As we speak you are watching Isaiah 17:1 & Isaiah 19 in the process of being fulfilled
Your time fast running out
That is not what Christ said and by what you say you have obviously never truly studied the issue
I do hope you will understand the error of your ways when you see the rapture with your own eyes
Can you not see Isaiah 17:1 & Isaiah 19 being fulfilled in stunning detail? Don't you know that these two prophecies lead right into Psalm 83?
Times is short Romans 10:9-10 & 1 Cor 15:1-4
Here is why they are wrong and now is indeed the right time
The generation to see the rebirth of Israel/fig tree will be the same generation to see the 2nd advent
That generation is now 65 years old
The resurrection/rapture takes place at least 7 years prior to the 2nd advent.
You have very little time left to become a believer upon Jesus The Christ of scriptures
Romans 10:9-10 & 1 Cor 15:1-4
So, sit back and watch as Isaiah 17, Isaiah 19, and Psalm 83 are fulfilled before your own eyes. Then watch as millions of Christians just vanish. Then watch as the anti christ emerges from a world in chaos.
Watch as the 3rd temple is rebuilt in fact Google the 'Temple Institute' and see how everything is almost done for the rebuilding of the 3rd temple
You have precious little time to come to your senses and become a believer upon Jesus The Christ of scriptures
There is only one way to be saved and that is through faith upon Jesus The Christ of scriptures
Romans 10:9-10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
As is also shown in 1 Cor 15:1-4
The bible is 1/3 prophetic and it is through these prophecies and their fulfillment that one sees what is going to happen.
As we speak, Isaiah 17, Isaiah 19 are in the process of being fulfilled and these two prophecies will dovetail right into Psalm 83
It will be through this chaos that the anti christ will emerge and the resurrection/rapture takes place prior to the emergence of the anti christ
you said: "But the only true hero is Jesus Christ. His love, claims, and his sacrifice are unique in history."
His love? Why would this highly spiritual man approve and advocate slavery? I can't see why anyone who claims to have such love and compassion for others, would not see the evil in slavery, owning a person as your personal property!
What sacrifice did he make if the resurrection was true and he's alive today? What was the sacrifice?
I'm saying god is no better than satan...no, he's worse. Since he's supposed to be all powerful, and nothing happens outside of his will, then he's responsible.
Are you claiming the bible is god's word? Prove it!
Do you know how the bible came to be, and why? If a god wanted to impart instructions for us to follow, why wouldn't he give us a book made by his own hand, not pieced together by multiple authors over centuries.
I wouldn't want to be like the bible tyrant, threatening man with hell.
Yes, an individual drastically divergent on a genetic and/or morphological level is less likely to breed within that population....but again, you;re omitting both the fact that each organism within a population is genetically divergent to a degree (including so called identical twins) AND that this divergence gets recycled back into the gene pool unless isolation of a breeding population from the main group occurs.