FINALLY, a Linux laptop with NO TRADEOFFS! Tuxedo InfinityBook Pro 14 Gen7 Review
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
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00:00 Intro
00:22 Unboxing
02:04 Design & Build Quality: solid and beautiful
03:49 Specs & Configuration Options: make it your own
06:17 Display: good panel, not a fan of the resolution
07:28 Keyboard & Touchpad: excellent
08:27 Webcam, Mic & Speakers: decent
09:36 Performance & battery life: all day workstation
11:36 This is the template for all Linux laptops
13:14 Support the channel
The chassis is a magnesium / aliminium alloy. It's really sturdy, but also really lightweight. My review unit came in black, and retains no fingerprints. You can also get it in silver if you prefer. In both cases, it's 1.7cm thick, and 1.3kg.
The laptop can be opened, and upgraded, you can switch out the RAM and the SDD as you like, with dual channel RAM slots, and an m.2 slot that supports PCIe4 drives.
My review unit came with a french azerty keyboard, but they have a lot of different layouts, and you can even send them your own to be laser etched, or have a blank keyboard. The super key has a cartoony tux logo, but you can ask for you own super key as well.
You can add an Nvidia RTX 3050ti to turn the laptop into a real workstation. In terms of ports, on the left side, you get the usual kensington lock, a USB C 3.2 Gen 2 port, which supports display port 1.4 and power delivery, a USB A 3.2 Gen 1 port, a full size SD card reader, and a 2 in 1 audio jack.
On the right, you have the barrel charging port, an HDMI 2.0b port, a USB 3.2 Gen 1 port, and a thunderbolt 4 port, which also supports display port 1.4 and power delivery.
The display is a 3K panel, at 2880 by 1800, in a 16:10 aspect ratio. It's 14 inch, and has an anti reflective coating.
It covers 99% of sRGB, 74.7% of AdobeRGB, and 81.1% of DCI-P3. It goes up to 400 nits, the contrast ratio is 1500:1, and it runs at 90hz.
The keyboard feels really good. It's a chiclet style keyboard, with black keys, whether you have the black, or the silver variant. It's backlit, and has a tux super key that you can customize, as I said before.
The touchpad feels awesome, it's super smooth, covered in glass, and it's a joy to use with gestures, it's precise and responsive, and it clicks well.
The webcam goes up to 1080p30, and while it will need some amount of light to not be too grainy, it's far from the worse I've seen.
The microphone is a bit better. You'll need to lower the default gain, but the voice is clear, and you can't really hear fan noise, although it will pick up on touchpad clicks and keyboard presses. It's really not bad for a laptop mic.
As per the speakers, they're bottom firing, and they're also decent. They're not tinny, they don't distort at high volumes, and they get loud enough. Nothing fancy, but they do the trick perfectly for a youtube video or a movie.
The 12700H is a very powerful CPU, with 14 cores, and 20 threads, and a max frequency of 4.7Ghz. On geekbench 5, it gets 1781 in single core, and 8388 in multi core, which means it beats my desktop 5800H in single core, and gets extremely close in multi core.
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It's cooled with a dual fan system, with 2 fans and 2 heatpipes, and uses liquid metal, which means temps never got high, staying at around 40 degrees Celsius at idle, and about 80°C under heavy load.
In terms of battery life, I got around 7 and a half hours of youtube video playback in a loop over wifi, at 50% brightness with bluetooth on. With a more regular workload of web browsing, listening to music, writing this script, and watching the occasional video or running a test or 2 on the laptop, I got 9h.
Review of the 16 inch model (the equivalent model from SLimbook): • The laptop I SHOULD HA... 
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What do you think of this little beast? What do you think Linux laptops are missing?
...AMD Option! Great product and review either way! Thank you Nick
International shipping! That's what this specific company lacks, sadly.
I think that CPU is a tradeoff - too powerful for most stuff you'd do on a laptop, hurts the battery and is not an AMD CPU. Based on the price, it doesn't even beat the XPS, which is a terrible laptop. And it certainly does not beat the pricier X1 Carbons, Thinkpads or Precisions even if you ignore the Intel CPU.
It is nice, but there are quite a few tradeoffs.
A mechanical keyboard
the keyboard from old thinkpads
The ONE tradeoff is that it only has the ability to use NVIDIA GPU from the store. AMD would probably be more flexible considering how NVIDIA treats linux and BSDs
For high end gpu on Linux use the most common use might be VFX and unfortunately most of the software is Nvidia not AMD optimised.
@@danielmiller1826 yeah. Shame really. Hopefully things change.
It‘s more how Linux trades Nvidia. If they wouldn‘t try to play their ideology game and would just accept that companies are not interested in their GPL shit, the driver situation on Linux would maybe be better
@@milowagnitz7310 linux doesn't "bully" poor old nvidia. there's black box firmware for drivers in a lot of apps and cards that work just fine on linux. nvidia just doesn't make a lot of their stuff compatible with linux
but, talking about the gpl, what happens when you open up the drivers? looking at the past (mantle for example) you actually unleash 50% more performance that was being destroyed by inefficient bloatware.
but, talking about ideology: if you like not owning the things you pay for, getting forced updates that make your card slower, bloated blackbox firmware, built in backdoors, monopoly pricing, etc. then fine. that's your choice bro.
@@milowagnitz7310 nobody forces anyone to do anything. nVidia historically have tried to lock their own hardware down to prevent open source developers from writing drivers for their graphics cards, which effectively lock everyone out of using them without their proprietary drivers. That's a pretty nasty move, regardless of how you look at it
This thing is in the class of its own, with a desktop-like CPU, battery/weight ratio and
TUXEDO is making itself THE standart linux experience on a laptop.
It's very exciting to see brands like tuxedo or system76 offering the combo hardware+software for linux.
now it need just to improve price and availability worldwide.
Congrats for the video, as always so informative and exciting!
Exactly!
@Tom Smith they actually do a lot of work to get it to work well out of the box. For instance, there's this one bug with Nvidia drivers, so they actually spent a lot of time getting in touch with Nvidia and sending laptops and debugging information to Nvidia, and they got the bug fixed. They really optimize the OS to their hardware.
@Tom Smith The point is they do a lot more than just throw Linux on a prebuilt laptop. There's a lot of digging around the hardware and debugging and recently, even custom builds. For instance, recently they asked their ODM for two cooling fans instead of one, and a more recent AMD CPU then they were originally going to use. It's sort of blurring the line between a pre-built clivo and a custom hardware. It's really exciting to see all the work they do to make sure that you have a fantastic clinics experience on their hardware. Companies like them in system 76 are fantastic, I love to see it.
If Tuxedo makes itself available in India without having to pay the customs before I get a new laptop, it'll jump to my number 1 consideration and if a good laptop is in my budget, I'll get it 100%
I hope Tuxedo does some of the work to set up the defaults on the officially offered distros at least. Fractional scaling is a pain to configure for all apps: native apps, electron apps and browsers can all want their own settings.
Is this a problem specific to Tuxedo OS or do other distros have it as well?
All distros. It’s the fault of gtk
@@federicocucinotta7772 it's not a tuxedo issue, it's not *really* a linux issue either, it's just a scaling issue, it's very hard to address and even macs suffer from it, which is why they only ship in very specific resolutions, but have issues with a lot of external displays as a result
@@24hhhhours Yeah, sux with GTK and GNOME. With KDE (of what I heard) it's not a problem at all. But yea ... it's KDE. That's why I use just a 2K external Display und FullHD internal to use Gnome without glasses.
@@foss_sound The problem is even if you are running KDE, apps that use GTK will still look horrible. So I dont see why you are mentioning KDE here. Also Gnome under Wayland doesnt have any problems with scalling. It works perfectly. The only problem with Wayland is applications not supporting Wayland. They will run under Xwayland which also look horrible. Overall I hate the situation right now, it's a mess. Both Xorg and Wayland suck. I personally use a 16 Inch notebook with a builtin 3K display. GTK symbols are tiny and have to use **glasses** so see something.
They did a really good job with this one. I hope System 76 starts to make this much effort with their laptop line. Desktops are great, but......
@@terrydaktyllus1320 😅 Very true. We gotta push them forward, though.
The problem os that laptops aren't subject to the ATX standard that desktops are.
Each laptop motherboards as a results is effectively a custom made PCB and there are only so many manufacturers who are willing to work with a company at the scale of System76.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 redstar
@@terrydaktyllus1320 my laptop's headphone jack has unusable static on Linux. Can't use headphones or make music with it. It's a cheap laptop from 2016 but still, that's a but.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Linux is good but high DPI scaling sucks
It does look like a solid little machine. I very much appreciate the 14 inch screen size. It's a nice sweet spot between portability and screen real estate.
Them allowing you to have your own layout laser etched on the keyboard and the case is super cool. Really allows you to make the machine your own. Linux is known for the option to customize it to taste and it's cool to see this extend to the hardware.
Happy to see battery is getting somewhat decent, finally. That's by far the biggest bummer coming from Mac to Linux
@@terrydaktyllus1320 what you mean? I just did that and the 16" m1 max is a total monster in all departments and maybe even especially the battery
@@terrydaktyllus1320 lol
Very impressive system. Looking at their website, I especially like the 16" version. The specs are not quite as good as my M1 MacBook Pro, but it costs $1000 less. And runs Linux natively. If I were in the market today for a developer laptop, this would probably be my first choice.
I still prefere the M1 MacBook Pro, it is simply better. Sure, more expensive, but I don't care... Anyway the Tuxedo is not a bad choice too.
My cheaper-than-Mac Ryzen9 5900HX laptop is faster than M1/M1 Pro at rather important practical benchmark: linux kernel, gcc, llvm, etc compilation in docker containers. And it runs Linux perfectly. But not from the ground up: some distro hopping and powertop/governor tuning is a must (to be silent and cold at idle).
@@R0MUl0 what about a 2015 macbook pro like mine that kinda runs slow nowadays..
@@NemzFPS no, not even a 2018 one, my point is... Performance is important but isn't everything, I would miss de mini-led wide gammut 120hz display, the 6 speaker studio grade sound quality, etc... But I see no problem, many just want performance and for this Tuxedo is great.
The specs are almost on par with the most powerful MBP, but the InfinityBook Pro 16 weights half a kilo less, and IT FELS. I had both laptops - the MBP feels HEABY at 2147g, while the Tuxedo feels light at 1.5kg. Surprising but true.
However, the keyboard on the InfinityBook Pro is crap.
Uwe hat den Wettbewerb gewonnen 😂As one of your German viewers, I very much enjoyed that 😂Clean pronunciation!
thanks for your review, mine will hopefully arrive soon!
Looks perfect & I love the matte black/slim look of this baby
TLE: This is the best Linux laptop
TLE again: THIS is the best linux laptop
TLE again again: NO. NO FOR REAL GUYS THIS is the best linux laptop.
Looking at video looks like hinges are not very steady and screen shakes after opening lid or while typing or after each little touch of screen/lid. Is it an issue? I plan to order this laptop and this video gives me doubts, then I see that shaking screen. Tried to do all same actions on my old DELL XPS and there is no shaking at all..
Your production quality keeps improving. Keep it up!
Great review 🎉
It helps me to made my decisions of buying the Tuxedo InfinityBook Pro 14 - Gen8.
Currently I have still to wait until end of May to get it.
Hope it is as good as the Gen7.
Thanks for your awesome videos and reviews.
Cheers, Jorgen
Really good review. It is nice to see a decent laptop running Linux that does not come with 'issues'. Though I've had lots of 'fun' trying to sort out the mess and inconsistencies of linux GUI apps and subsystems and how well they work with font scaling and high DPI. This continues to be something Linux vendors can't get right, pushing people away. Saying that my old 4K Windows 7 machine did not do a great job of this either.
great review. I'd like to know if the CPU thermal throttles under 100% load? and how loud can get the fan noise ?
can the thunderbolt port use external screens? 16 inch seems to be doing it but no info about 14 inch model
I am so glad Uwe won that contest - I am sure he really deserved it.
Glückwunsch, Uwe!
Uwe ist ein verräter, according to my manual
also got this beauty like a month ago. I can say I am really happy with it. It does have problem with xorg display drivers. After having POP OS installed, i could not switch resolution, so had to stick with ubuntu...
Does it provide independent repair shops with board schematics?
This is really great! Thanks for the video.
Nice audio spectrum show analyzer - which program are you using ?
Can you upgrade the gpu video later or is it only done at the order?
Great review! I'd love for System76 to send you one of their laptops for a comparison. Tuxedo looks like a very solid choice though.
Looks like the screen has a wobble to it, how bad/good is it? I am looking at the 16” model with highest spec and the price is around the same as entry level MacBook Pro m2 😅
Thank you, Nik. Better and better.
I'd love to hear more about the Linux on-board. What distro it comes with, how is the situation with the drivers.
I was going to say that the only let-down is the lack of backlighting on the keyboard... But it seems like that's an option on the configuration!
What a great little laptop. I'm stuck with Windows on my main system for gaming and photo editing, but I think Linux would be absolutely perfect on a thin and light laptop like that. Perhaps I'll consider a Linux laptop if I end up getting a thin and light for class. I'd certainly love to.
Where do I see Contact Us page for Tuxedo on their website?
Hey Nick, just dropping back in here to say after this review I cancelled my order for the StarLabs StarBook Mk 6 to this one, I've had it a week now and really love it. I waited and waited for StarLabs but I think they were pretty unrealistic about completion and delivery times, so their product run wasn't ready for mass market in my opinion. Tuxedo on the other hand got me their machine in a little under 4 weeks.
I bought the TUXEDO Pulse 15 - Gen2. I went full out: 64GB Ram and 2x SSD's. I requested Kubuntu to be pre-installed.
Very happy with just about everything! The keyboard is not the best, but I should mention I come from a 2012 Mac Book Pro, so it's probably a little unfair 🙂
Anyway, this is my private daily driver now and has very little issues (some KDE specific issues - but the hardware is perfect!).
The service from Tuxedo is absolutely great. I am in the Netherlands so sending it over was no issues. The Laptop build takes some time, but they do keep you updated through the process. I waited just over a week.
Edit: I should add I work mostly on the Logitech Mechanical Wireless Keyboard and Logitech MX Mouse. They paired with the Laptop perfectly and the battery levels are reflected in KDE with low battery warnings working as well.
KDE5 does evolve greatly, especially Dolphin File Browser and the Notifications for File Operations mit Bandwith-Speeds etc. is always handy!
The keyboard is dumb. They use the stupid ISO layout, when most of the world uses ANSI. Also, there's no separation between F4/F5 or F8/F9. All keys are squished together and too narrow, because they wanted a half-assed numpad. The arrow keys are not separated from the rest, so I had to look at where they were all the time.
ThinkPads are renowned for their legendary keyboards. Why doesn't Tuxedo use that layout?
@@DanDascalescu-dandv You can choose your keyboard layout.
@@NicoCoetzee You cannot choose US ANSI, which is the most popular layout in the world. Instead, Tuxedo offers two dozen obscure regional and Dvorak layouts.
Good device. Was my daily driver for some time.
But there are also some parts which have potential for improvement.
For video conferences I highly recommend external microphones and speakers.
Beside of this, the notebook and Software is really good.
Updates always worked and I never had any issues.
Support was really awesome, because speakers where exchanged after some hardware issue.
No fuck around at all.
Contacted support and they did their job...
Was Tuxedo the manufactor which is offering open firmware ? or was it the other one?
Woah 😲 This is the year of the Linux desktop! 🖥️
When indicating laptop weight, please tell how much the charger weights too ...
How quiet is it?? How soon before the fan cicks in?
Thanks for a great review
Price aside, that does look like a very nice machine. If my 10th gen Lemur didn't have a few more years of life in it, I would totally be considering this one.
May I ask. One of the things I can't take with a laptop is keyboard flex. When you're typing does it feel "cheap" ?
have it managed to remove intel me from the processor?
Looks good for generic laptop, but there is need for larger display sizes and what about pen and touch and tablet options?
Someone knows if it is sone store in brazil that has similar products?
Importing gets really expensive
Thanks for the review!
Does it use PWM for screen brightness regulation?
Your German pronunciation is actually really good
Thank you for actually taking the laptop apart this time! :) It's too bad they handicapped performance by keeping it in single channel mode with only 1 stick of ram.
what a dream, when i will need a new laptop, I will definitely consider them if the product quality stays or increases.
Is there a very with a version 17 inch monitor?
Quick question to you guys that own Tuxedo laptops.How are the blacks on these screens?Do they have any light bleedthrough e.g. when using a black background on a terminal ? (well i know the screen is not oled but i am really that curious !) . Thank you all and have an amazing day!
Thanks for the great video! That machine looks really nice. Even nicer to see that you're Brestois 😅 Merci et bravo!
Ici c’est Brest!
1:36 does this 14 inch version also suffer the performance during the USB-C charging like the 16 inch like shown in ruclips.net/video/wLsoGIliP8I/видео.html
Definitely putting this one on my wishlist
And if you're looking for a less compact laptop, they also have a 16" version for pre-order \o/. I tend to prefer this kind of size, since it also means we get a numeric keypad, which is very useful on a French keyboard.
That's good to know. I'd really prefer 17" or bigger.
Numeric keypad is very useful thing for power users. Tiling shortcuts!
Interestingly it's a little cheaper than the 14' variant. Anyone know why that is?
Yees but do they support right to repair? Is it easy to service and get spare parts?
Thank you, very nice review!
Looks awesome
New to this, but is it compatible with Qubes OS?
As a Student i am still using my x260. This tuxedo is - according to specs and Reviews - my current favorite as a successor after i will finish my degree in a few months. Still i have one question about the tuxedo: does it Support battery Charge Limits like my old x260? (95% state of health for the battery after this many years is Something i would want from Machine for 1.600€)
I am looking for a new laptop and this is on my list - but no default Wifi 6E option - I know I can probably install an AX210 card myself, but it would be nice OOB. Also no default Mint option
Linux Desktop really needs the power of manufacturers behind it--like this.
It's ALMOST perfect. I really want to buy this laptop, but there is no ANSI keyboard layout for it. They had an ANSI version of their Gen6, but that's no longer available with a discrete nVidia card.
Looks great, but I'm probably more interested in the 16" version. Do you plan to review that unit?
Great and thought through machine. Fore only missing out on a touch screen and a 360 tablet mode. That would be crowning it for me.
That screen resolution is perfect and I don't think it should change. Linux distros should be the ones that finally start supporting fractional scaling properly. I know fractional scaling is hard but Windows and macOS do it really well so there is no technical reason that Linux can't too. I know Wayland is a good first step and Gnome and KDE have a good start but there is a lot more to be done there for every DE.
Ubuntu does a very good Job at that.
@@ArniesTech Yes because it uses Gnome which, like KDE, is one of the two that really support it better now with Wayland. But if you have a NVIDIA card, you're stuck with X11 which does not have good fractional scaling. Of course, this is Nvidia's fault that you are stuck with X11 so can't really blame anyone but them for that.
Is this a distro or DE level problem? I also never really had issues running Linux on my laptop. The scaling looks perfectly fine to me!
@@federicocucinotta7772 Mostly a DE level problem but a lot of the time DEs are associated with distros. For example, Linux Mint develops the Cinnamon desktop environment and pretty much refuses to accept Wayland as a priority. Elementary OS develops the Pantheon DE and refuses to support fractional scaling for pretty weird logic of "fractional scaling doesn't really exist and making it work is too hard so no". Also, distros can choose whether to include Wayland or X11 out of the box with the specific DE and that can also factor in.
@@Watchandlearn91 I use Wayland on Nvidia GPU fine tho?
Will there be a review of the Tuxedo InfinityBook Pro 16 Gen7?
I am always happy to see 16:10 aspect ratio displays on laptops, as well as an ISO layout, most laptops don’t have these.
I am interested to see how they implemented their liquid metal contact with the CPU, there are some specific design considerations you need to think about for liquid metal, especially in a laptop. I wonder how it would hold up over-time. I can’t ask you to take it apart because you would have to clean and reapply liquid metal, which can destroy it if you aren’t familiar with it since it is very different from regular thermal paste.
I think tuxedo laptops are pretty nice. But I still think the best laptop, even for linux is the framework. It works wonderfully with linux, and the framework team has made all the right choices with their machine.
I wish Framework had laptops with a bit of a larger screen and a higher refresh rate.
Except down firing speakers. I wish all the manufacturers would stop doing that.
Except Framework still isn't available in a lot of European countries while Tuxedo can be ordered with free delivery to most parts of Europe right now
@@leatherhidegaming Big top-firing speakers are about the only Macbook thing I genuinely wish my laptop did.
@@Peshyy you can already buy it in some european countries like germany which means you can have the parcel forwarded for like 40 euros, of course that's not ideal though
Really glad to see 90hz on more laptops. That or 120hz is the baseline for me now, even on thinner laptops. 16:10 is nice too, though personally I prefer 3:2.
Exactly, 75hz is the most optimal, no need higher than that
Is it noisy? Does it overheat a lot?
I didn't know about this brand, thanks for sharing.
How was the fan noise?
The aluminium/magnesium chassis looks pretty solid. Feels like the best Linux laptop, but I'm wondering how the upcoming AMD-based StarFighter will hold up, as it seems to be priced the same.
I Hope I’ll get a review unit!
I just hope they stick with the original 4K screen rather than this QHD high refresh panel they’re considering. I want 4K with integer scaling, none of this fractional nonsense.
01:25 Your pronunciation was really good!
Are they doing Black Friday sales or cyber Monday sales and or can you ask them? It would also benefit them on sales.
Does it come with Colemak?
Nice review man, but please tell me what happened at 3:13 lol
Can you get this with Windows 11 installed instead of Linux?
I saw this video suggested a few times and I was like "oh here we go with the clickbait" and I didnt want to watch it. Today I decided to watch it just to leave a bad comment...I was wrong, this is really a linux laptop with no trade offs. amazing work by tuxedo! next step could be to have their own bios like system76? I am really impressed. Thank you for your work
Where can I find that teapot wallpaper from the beginning of the video?
It’s a RUclips video from LG to demo their OLED screens, I find it showcases nicely the colors and contrast of displays
Glückwunsch an Uwe. Der scheint was draufzuhaben.
When will they start making it with USB-C power instead of barrel charger already?
I have the machine. I would say speakers barely ok, have to keep volume always on max. Also have some weird interference between speakers and wifi, such that sometimes loose audio completely. Will be sending to for warranty service. Also, disapointed it doesn't support S3 sleep. Display remains black after waking, both in Windows and Ubuntu 22.04. S0 / Modern Standby in Windows sucks, got few cases of battery loosing 7-10% per hour.
What a splendid, high performance and seemingly well made laptop. Should be great for Linux and even for Windows. I like that the spec can be tuned to one's particular needs and that it appears to have been built with repairability in mind.
What’s the best ‘2 in 1’ option for windows and linux use? I’m thinking either a surface Pro 8 or a Lenovo Yoga 2021 models as their much cheaper than 2022 or 2023
I have a surface pro 4 linux is not always stable
3:13 I see, Nick is a man of culture as well 😌
I was considering buying this laptop, but they never made a Gen 7 US ANSI edition, so I ended up buying an M1 MacBook Air.
Don't worry, I still have Linux on my older MacBooks.
"All the vibrant colors of the German rainbow. There is Gray, Dark Gray, Berlin Asphalt and Accident in a coal mine." -- Spitting Image.
as someone who uses a MacBook Pro running Linux (Debian) this looks like an excellent choice for my next laptop. Thanks for the review!
Maybe Asahi Linux GPU development progress will make it great system on Apple SIlicon macs, but... Still no go. Non-removable SSD and limited repairability is show stopper for eco-friendly people buying laptop for a decade of heavy usage.
quite curious, do Tuxedo laptops also originated from Clevo like System76 or they make their own laptops?
They are ordering from Schenker.
The fact they don't sell to Australia (where I am) is a huge bummer.
Does Linux update automatically ?
That was a super desperate attempt to dismiss his sponsorship, lol. Still a great looking product and video.
Can't wait to see how this compares to the StarLabs StarFighter!
They don't give a CD for Windows drivers? I cut 10 point for that.
I'm glad you specified that you have to send the laptop back after you complete the review. That isn't necessarily obvious to people who watch these kinds of videos. Knowing that you don't get to keep the hardware you're reviewing makes it easier to believe we're getting an unbiased opinion!
Does the "liquid metal" mean the heat pipes use mercury?
Huh, I kinda expected longer battery life with that huge 99 Whr battery. Maybe UV/setting a slighty lower TDP would improve this slightly.
How is noise during light work and e.g. screen sharing?
Other than the battery life (which is fine but could be slightly better) this would be my perfect work laptop.
How much prices