You don't need a vise on the Joiner's Bench
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- Опубликовано: 11 фев 2020
- Vises are useful for woodwork, but you can do EVERY woodworking operation without a vise.
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I really like Rex's presentation style. It's very direct, yet somewhat retro in that it feels very 2010 in a satisfyingly well done way.
As an amateur with woodworker, i typically feel overpowered with the entire arrangement ruclips.net/user/postUgkxrYREG3-7f1Aqk9ams3ZESRNzGnfdUtyQ . Be that as it may, this arrangements drove me through with much clarity and effortlessness woodplans. Works i now work like a genius. That is great!
Rex (can I call you Rex? Okay.) I think the highest compliment I can pay you is to say you remind me of an early Alton Brown, if he'd done a woodworking show instead of a cooking show.
The Alton Brown of woodworking, PERFECT!
Oooh. That makes me think of a good concept for a future Rex vid. There's a video out there called "Alton Brown reviews Amazon's dumbest kitchen gadgets". I think a version of that would be great with Rex reviewing Amazon's dumbest woodworking gadgets.
@@RtotheK605 please no... there's enough idiots out there reviewing shitty tools already... don't ruin the channel with something like that!
Whoa! Dude this is so true
This is high praise
Tool and die maker here, a file shouldn't wear out quickly so long as you keep it clean. Keep a file card handy and occasionally use the wite brush side while working to clear the chips from the file teeth. Makes a world of difference
You're my favourite American, Rex. I highly appreciate the no fuss approach of building things out of bits and bobs and skill you have in your craft.
One of the hallmarks of the Nicholson/English bench is that they are full of holes for holdfasts. The holdfast is fundamental. I saw another video where a guy glued reinforcing blocks under his bench for holdfasts. The force exerted by the holdfast eventually popped the block off. Might need a screw or 4.
I reinforced mine and that was the perfect solution. I’ve heard the grammercy hold fasts don’t need them. But, blocking is cheap. I added a bunch and I did use screws to keep it tight.
I am a new woodworker on a super tight budget because this is a new hobby. You sir saved me with this video!
Fantastic videos, Rex. I've been putting together my woodworking "shop" with minimal indoor space. I do work outdoors extensively. I love you showing woodworkers that they don't need all the expensive stuff that we "must" have.
This is one of Rex’s best videos. This is fundamental stuff. For those that want to build a bench there is no need to be slavish to details. The essence of the English style is two boards on edge front and back and then cover with boards. 2x4 with supports every 24 inches is plenty of strength. Do glue on the thickener pieces for the holdfasts. Do buy a pair of holdfasts. The Gramercy brand are steel rod and will never snap like the cheap cast iron ones. 22-26 inches wide is nice. Don’t go too wide. The well type style (see his other video) can go wider. 4 feet is a little too short. 6 feet is nice. The skirts front and back have to be at least 2x6s, but you’ll be happier with 2x8s. (I went with 2x6s and find wider long boards ride too high above the bench.) I came back to this video to go over the plane stop he did. I’ve just been driving screws into the top now and then as needed.
Don’t be put off by the rough construction. A beautiful bench of hardwood can dent your projects: better dent the bench with the project than dent the project with the bench. With a cheap top you’ll put in holes for the holdfasts without concern. You’ll paint on it, glue on it, drive in the occasional screw or nail and you won’t care. You’ll just get the job done. Say you build 5 projects a year. 5 years from now plane the surface. In 10 years you’ll have spent $50 in wood per project or $2500 in materials. Maybe then, maybe, you replace the top for $40. Get it? Cheap bench makes lots of projects and you can even patch it up.
On top of that this bench (the English Style) is so approachable that you’ll make it. What are you waiting for?
totally love the fact that your stuff works and not looks like its a piece of furniture. that really held me off building a bench for a looong time.
The only stuff I make that looks like furniture is actual furniture.
Great job! Thanks so much for looking out for the "average" weekend woodworker. I bought the plan bundle (well worth $10!!!) and am just completing my bench. I modified the plans slightly to include some ideas from Mike Siemsen's bench. Never would have thought about all the different options without your videos! Keep doing what you are doing!!!!!!!! (also I REALLY enjoy your videos on your analysis of old furniture.)
Seriously impressed that he's concerned about the viewers wallet.
That's kind of his shtick ... one of the biggest reasons I follow this channel.
When he says 'ONLY $30' etc my wallet shrieks in terror. Swear words like 'buy', ' purchase', 'cost'; are not in my voluntary vocabulary. Re-use, re-purpose, re-make, recover, re-build, re-scued', 'free', 'donated', 'skip-dived' etc are much more calming. There is no acceptable sentence that starts with, 'Only' followed by a '$/£' sign. Thankyouverymuch.
@@paulforster6229 and then he shows an alternative. He gives the best/cost solution as well as other inexpensive solutions and then the Rex solution. As he’s targeting people that have loot to spend as well as people that don’t. That is how you become the peoples champion. Thanks Rex!
@@paulforster6229 I feel like you’re having a bit of fun with your reply, but I suspect you seriously like to reuse and build from scratch. That’s great and I appreciate that approach. But, out time has value. How much time do I spend to a avoid a $60 purchase? My professional billing rate gives me less than an hour. $10/hr gives me 6 hours. Minus gas money. Sometimes the free solution costs too much. But I love the creativity involved with your preferred approach! So, soldier on!
This out of all the thousands of woodworking videos ive watched and books ive read has honestly changed my whole experience for the better than any other one video
I love the creative bench hold solutions. Some really useful, inexpensive options for an outdoor bench up at the family cabin. Lots of woodworking happens there, many annual repairs, but nobody ever wants to spend a lot on a lake cabin bench or tools. Everything there is a cast-off. Thanks Rex!
Rex, you're going to hit 100k subbies in the next month! Congratulations!!!
I have to admit that I have really started looking forward to learning something new from you in every single episode!
Thank You!
Thanks!
This is great! Thanks. You're making me want to skip out of work and play in my garage all day! I can't wait to see the vise!
I watch ton of wood vids on diy bench work, this is pure genius! Thank you.
This is brilliant. Have never before seriously considered the possibility of successful woodworking sans a bevy of electric tools and a big workshop. This opens up whole new world of possibilities.
You are really becoming more and more fantastic . Your low cost attitude/tricks are beautiful. Congratulations for all your work.
This bench just brings back so many school memories!, Although ours had centre troughs, and were fitted with wood and (occasionally) metalworking vices on the edges
I've never done any serious woodworking, but I have enjoyed the heck out of watching these videos about this bench.
Greetings from No. VT - Great video, I am so happy I recently became a patron, you are a super teacher and great at explaining the logic behind your design/build decisions.
That toy cake made my day, thank you.
That's nice to hear!
@@RexKrueger Do you have a video on that? :)
The lifted pinkie made it.
@@11aldum You're here to see woodwork not other peoples children !
Stick to the topic .... grrr
The cake is a lie
I have been watching you for about 6 or 8 months and I really do enjoy your videos. You have some great ideas and even I am a intermediately hand tool wood worker I still learn from you. Thanks for being you.
Legendary Rex - love to see a bit of old fashioned ingenuity in use
Man i have to say i have been watching your series since the low roman bench and it is getting better and better. As a woodworker from Eastern Europe i have a lot of fun watching a great craftsman actualy using his head and not only his wallet (which often happens with woodworking channels). Keep up the great work Rex im sure you help a lot of people with your tutorials and most importantly you teach people to innovate and use new ideas.
I've been woodworking my whole life and learn so much from your videos, also ya know they're funny. As a fellow hand tool lover I really appreciate the traditional elements and builds you do as I've always wanted to try using these methods but never had a starting point. Thanks Again
Wow. It’s like you just looked at my bench and made a video to solve the issue I was just dealing with Once again great build
Bermuda viewer loving your wood working for humans series
great video - you're getting better and better.
Greetings from No. VT - Neighbor Andy, you are a master of understatement.
I built a Nicholson style bench a few years ago and love the front "vertical bench" that goes with it. So a lot of nodding in agreement from me with your present Nicholson series. And a very hearty HECK YEAH on the holdfasts. So simple and easy to use yet so capable. I wish I'd learned about them years ago for my wood working. I've been using one as a "mallet operated vise" on the front apron for a while now.
Exactly! I made my own bench with one side that's Nicholson-like, and the other side is more Roubo style, so that I can easily use clamps, too. The Nicholson side has a bunch of holes for the holdfasts, so does the top of the table, while the side without the apron doesn't have any holes for holdfasts, but the benchtop is still about 3" thick. To hold stuff, I sawed myself a bunch of little dogs, and made two holdfasts using steel rod and wood, but I think I'm going to remake them all in steel rod.
The dowel dog is fantastic. Thank you Rex!
You've quickly become one of my favorite, if not my favorite, woodworking RUclipsrs. I love your video style, down-to-earth content, and sense of humor. You seem like the kind of guy I'd like to buy a beer for and just chat.
I don't really do the Patreon thing, so instead, I just bought all your plans. You could really use a "buy all my plans" option, though I'm sure it would mean an extra step to update it every time you add a new plan.
I'm building a solid workbench out of 14cm thick left-over beams and I was working out how to put a vise in that.
Thanks to you, I no longer have to, your tools look way cooler and are really retro - they seem to work great and I'll try them. I'm bookmarking this.
Very excited for the home-made vise video. Can't wait to see what you come up with.
Hi Rex,
I love the way you do your videos and tell us that it doesn't need to be exact, slight rough cut will work as I am not an experienced woodworker but love to play with wood and challenge myself to construct things. My work may not be perfect or precise but I made it and that's all that counts,
Thank you for your inspiration.
Rob
All great solutions. Now, it's a workbench. Thanks, Rex.
Excellent advise throughout the whole video. Thanks Rex!
I don't normally subscribe to WW channels, I just use the tutorials that I need. You definitely deserve a sub - I'm not a wealthy man, everything is about budget, and your videos are FILLED with budget tips, I love it.
Rex, love the bench and your whole Woodworking For Humans series. When I was a kid, my grandfather had a bench like this in his basement. Only it was about twenty plus feet long and had seen decades of use for everything. Thank you for bringing back the memories.
Your video showed up in my feed and after checking out all the topics you cover I couldn’t subscribe quick enough. Fantastic channel sir.
I love that you haven't made the plans super expensive. $5 is perfect!
It will be a while before I have a workshop but when I do get one I am really looking forward to making this bench.
Dude thanks for the teachings, if only i was near you, i would ask for a part time job, so i can get my head away from car painting for a while. Once again thanks
Looking forward to the vice build.
Very good video. The Mike Siemsen video was an eye opener for me. Thanks
Glad to see Mike getting the attention he deserves. That video was the single most influential thing I watched before I made my bench.
Totally agree on adding vises though. I went without for exactly as long as it took me to save up and buy a wooden screw. That would be a cool future video by the way.
Also I was just noticing last night, I don't have a lot of space and I have noticed that my wood bench gets used for a lot of non woodworking tasks. Last night I was assembling hardware for a custom dishwasher front on it, and I think the last thing I was doing before that was playing with back gearing on an Atlas lathe. The point is I am able to do all of that because I added carcasses with drawers under my English bench. There is just a ton of space under there that most people don't use. If you can easily get your hands on screwdrivers, pliers, snips, and marking tools, then it becomes a general-purpose bench. And I even have space between the carcass top and the bench top, which is required for the holdfast bottoms when they are used, but there is enough left over to have a stack of clamps stuffed in there.
Beautiful contrivance for thickening the board to holdfast. Clever!
Rex, on my first bench (about 50 years ago) I went even lower tech for bench dogs...drilled holes wherever necessary and countersunk them to accept flathead wood screws (brass in case I ever ran into them with a plane). Screwed flush they were out of the way. Unscrewed a turn or two the sharp flat heads bit into the workpiece like the teeth of your “hinge dog”. Worked slick. In fact that bench and those dogs still see service to this day!
Awesome videos. I've learned a lot watching them. I went to antique store about 15 miles from my home and found a Pine Knot brase and 27 bits and only played $ 18.00, all in great shape too. Keep up the great videos.
YT -> "This old Tony" has an excellent video on bit geometry and understand on how to sharpen them. I messed up trying to resharpen my used bits until I watched his vid.
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I love living vise free ;) I tried a bunch of vises: shoulder, twin screw, tail, leg. In the end, I don't have one on my bench. Once you learn how to use viseless options, you will discover that they are indeed more convenient to use than a vise. There are only two vises I'd consider: leg vise (because they are the strongest vise available and have the largest capacity) and a tail vise (because they can hold things to the bench top very securely). Great video, I hope you inspire more people to go viseless!
Great video! I really enjoy your commentary/explanatory style.
My new favorite woodworking genius makes a new video and I was working when it came out!
I love how he wears hearing protection while using hand tools!
Wireless headphones, listening to music.
Lynyrd Skynyrd.
He has a daughter.
Wow... this is great!
I'd love to build all of this, if only I had the place. Definitely going to save this for when I do.
I have no idea how I found you, but I'm glad I did. Subscribed. Thank you.
Great idea. I use a 3 cent drywall screw drilled into the end of my bench. I screw it up when I plane and screw it down when I’m done. Can’t use a does foot though, so I like your idea better. Thanks for sharing this.
Your ingenuity always amazes me.
Rex, that lil’ stop you made with a dowel? Ingenious!
I'd like to second the call for a card scraper video, and I'd also like to see one on resawing with hand tools. Thanks for doing what you do!
Such great tips for a beginner. Thank you!
Rex my man. Some people might think you're a complete nut but coming from a "woodworker lacking every proper tool" to get the job done, I see how you adapted and made work with what you had available. Bravo! Would you agree a Nicholson bench is the best bench to build for a serious, no messing around, get the project done workhorse? Have you experimented adding hardwood block inserts in all your holdfast holes?
Thank you for adding cm measurements to your free plan
Excellent video Rex!
Wow it looks like you get a lot of exercise banging those hold fasts. I love the washer copper dowel trick...you made a benchdog or bench pup. props
i love this bench idea. thank you for sharing and for making the education entertaining.
Hi Rex, Thanks for the plans, Enjoying this project, finished the first version. Don't have a vice on my new bench
The tea party thing cracks me up. You are the king, Rex. Love your channel.
My father was a joiner and of course made many work benches during the course of his life. I was intrigued by the planing stop in your video I have never seen my father employ that design before in his work he simply cut a V shape from a piece of good quality plywood and nailed that to the end of the bench. The wood being planed just jams tightly into the V holding it secure for planing.
Rex you are having way too much fun. Good on ya!
You are a fun guy to watch and you have a lot of great ideas.
Great video Rex. Very helpful.
Wow Rex! Amazing video yet again!
Dude, I just like your direct and chippy style :)
Thanks Rex. Great episode
Whoo hoo!
Happy 100k to you Rex!
Love the style of the bench it very effective on what it do. And nice that the roman bench not got scrapped.
You can never have too many flat surfaces in a shop!
Yeah, more places to collect crap!
It's like you have seen my garage!
@@RexKrueger Flat surface syndrome.
You showed up in my recommendations and I like a good carpentry channel, enjoyed the content, but all I could think of the thumbnail was "Billy Corgan does carpentry"
Keep up the good work 🤣
Big like here. I built the bench (minus the top, it's still hidden in the boards) and it is rock solid. Think I will add a few dogs, combined with a cheap vice as a end vice and dog pusher. Thanks
Yet again a great video man keep it up
Thank you for pointing out a great use for those Barrel Nuts, as people always make fun of me for keeping them when scavenging random stuff from cheap furniture in the garbage...
That was some great adVICE.
Super useful, and learned a lot from this video. It was a suggestion by youtube.
Love this. Seems like you could plan your table top supports to also work with the hold fasts.
Nice one as always Rex.
Hye Rex I'm really enjoying your videos,
I'm watching from Costa Rica
I'm getting de ja vu from when I first got into 3D printers. We were criticized a lot back then because the most popular things to print were upgrades to our 3D printers, and well... Other 3D printers. -- Watching you build the woodworking humans bench, and the vice, and upgrades, and then this bench, and the upgrades, and the vice... It's kind of the exact same feeling. I can even print a little matching toy cake to go along with it. XD
Those of us without a lot of cash have to bootstrap. You get one nice tool and use it to make more tools. I don't see anything to criticize in that.
Holdfasts seem to be a nice and (compared to a "good" vice) cost effective (right word?) extension to a workbench. I really like that.
Great vid Rex-thanks a lot, some very good ideas there!
Incredible how creative you are, thanks so much, I really appreciate your advises
You are so welcome!
you have a nice channel with good content
This is excellent !
Thanks for the knowledge , Rex !!!!!!!!!!!!
I love your sense of humor Rex. Stay funky Bro
Thanks for sharing that, well done and said!
I built a very similar bench in about 1975. I planned to use it to build by beautiful hardwood bench but I never had the money for the hardwood and I did have my construction lumber bench. When I retired to Florida in 2002, I still had that bench and I had constructed dozens of jigs to make it more useful. So don't be afraid this is not a good enough bench. It's perfect.
I've been using holdfasts made from the crotch of tree branches for several months with good results. I made them from a tree branch blown down in a storm.
They are a bit springier than metal holdfasts, which sometimes is great (they push back against movement), but sometimes lets things work loose. They also don't seem to damage the holes in my 1.5" bench top. Can't complain about free though.
I built a Moxon vise I love it!
Awsome ! Thank you Rex
Greetings from Slovakia Rex...
Great videos ... especially this one... since it is absolutely usable even for us bloody amateurs (we Germans use "bloody" more in reference to the potential injuries .... not then English sense :-)). Will subscribe right after having completed this comment.
Now to the point: I have reduced your half-hinge idea even more down to the basics..... I use 7 coarse threaded and relatively short countersink screws with bigger heads.... arranged in a line ... exactly like your toothed edge. I just cut some notches into the screw heads with a narrow-bladed angle-grinder... making those screw heads look like 8-pointed stars. Since the screw head itself has this 45-degree "bevel" ... it is more than enough to dig into the wood and hold it in place. After one week of use, I put some wood glue into the thread in the bench (to make it more durable... since the material is only 18mm plywood). This is even cheaper .... and you inspired me actually less by the "hinge" but more by the holdfast substitute with that big washer. You can use even more than 7 screws... you can line them up over the entire width of the bench... screwing "up" (maybe better said "upwards" :-)) only as many, as you need. When inactive, those stopper-screws are almost 3 mm (due to the head size) under the surface. Since I have my "little" 10,4V cordless drill always at hand. ..... the use is very comfortable. I suppose that I will have to add some more wood glue to the thread to compensate for the wear-out ... maybe twice a year.
roger d. - a Jerry "stranded" in Slovakia