Gas water heater and furnace phase-out plans to cost consumers
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2024
- A new push in the Bay Area to phase out natural gas furnaces and water heaters is getting some scrutiny. Kelsi Thorud reports it comes with hidden costs for homeowners.
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I’m grateful we have gas water heater for a shower and gas range to cook hot meals during the power outages in the past couple of weeks.
upgrade to solar and power wall, grid won't support having to take over for gas
@@abc123fhdi not everyone has that kind of money to just drop on new green tech, and remember Newsom and the PUC gave PG&E a gift by not allowing anymore credit for putting into the extra power into the grid from residential solar owners.
@@abc123fhdi it's not the grid, it's the outdated end points that cause these unstable situations.
germany has almost every power line buried and we have no power outages because of this.
@@blkcoupequattrocan't do anything about that.
The power was recently out for three days. Having a gas range was the only way I was able to boil water or cook. If PGE can’t keep the power on, I have no interest in becoming more dependent on electricity.
What's wrong with these people,you lose electricity you lose everything.
This was POORLY researched. I was a Journeyman Gas Pipe fitter, installation & repair of gas appliances for 50 years. I got rid of all the gas appliances in my home and I am elated about it. Yes, there was the inital wiring upgrade, that was it. Yes an electric furnace sucks current, but a HEAT PUMP is actually cheaper to operate and also cools on hot days. Instead of a tank electric water heater, I have a tankless type and it only pulls electricity when I actually run hot water, and it provides an endless supply. Same with my electric dryer, and I have an induction range, which cooks faster than gas and has equally good instant control. So these tech guys are only talking about the past, not the current options.
And lastly, unlike my friends who still use supposedly cheap natural gas, I didn't get a $400 gas bill for one month in January. And my electric bill LADWP was only $200 for everything, including charging TWO electric cars. So I hope you will do a story that is about the advantages of moving into the 21st century, instead of scaring people about changes that ALL of us must do, or face even more hellacious storms and lower food production, forever.
Don't worry, they will increase the cost of electricity and increase rolling black out so you can't shower or charge your EV making these expensive upgrade an expensive paper weight.
This was POORLY researched. I was a Journeyman Gas Pipe fitter, installation & repair of gas appliances for 50 years. I got rid of all the gas appliances in my home and I am elated about it. Yes, there was the inital wiring upgrade, that was it. Yes an electric furnace sucks current, but a HEAT PUMP is actually cheaper to operate and also cools on hot days. Instead of a tank electric water heater, I have a tankless type and it only pulls electricity when I actually run hot water, and it provides an endless supply. Same with my electric dryer, and I have an induction range, which cooks faster than gas and has equally good instant control. So these tech guys are only talking about the past, not the current options.
And lastly, unlike my friends who still use supposedly cheap natural gas, I didn't get a $400 gas bill for one month in January. And my electric bill LADWP was only $200 for everything, including charging TWO electric cars. So I hope you will do a story that is about the advantages of moving into the 21st century, instead of scaring people about changes that ALL of us must do, or face even more hellacious storms and lower food production, forever.
@@EdwardGarrenMFT Tell us how great all of your electric crap is when you have your rolling brown and blackouts this summer. I don't know where eveybody thinks all of the electricity is going to come from. Wind and solar is not going to cut it.
@@EdwardGarrenMFT How many times are you going to copy and paste the same comment? When you do that, you come off as a zealot rather than someone who's level-headed about the new mandates.
More like take a prison shower 🚿 with cold water. I will guarantee you the politicians will have hot water.
@EdwardGarrenMFT and how much did it take to upgrade your electric panel to use all that electrical stuff.
This forced conversion is as foolish an idea as has ever been conceived.
However, somebody stands to make a great deal of money from it.
It reminds me of the early 1970s when nearly every public school in the Bay Area was demolished over earthquake safety.
I've heard about this mysterious 'someones' going to be making lots of money off of this' but it appears to be quite the opposite. It's breaking a monopoly, the gas industry, and the oligopoly of the oil industry. Both of which is a powerful influence in our elections and politics which should not be. Especially as oil prices (and as a result propane) are set internationally, often by unfriendly nations. Why home heating prices shot up to over $5/gal right before this past election day then collapsed back down right after shows me who the rich and powerful want us to vote for and we really need to stop that (if the president could control the oil prices we would never have seen that!, so who is and who are they saying they want you to vote for by holding us by the short hairs). So no it's not that someone stands to make a great deal of money, it's someone stands to stop making a great deal of money and they are fighting like hell to prevent it. Now with that said I don't like getting rid of the gas appliances but with the weight of it's influence it may be worth the loss.
Consultants based out of overseas countries are behind this... anti-American sentiment among consultants it seems
ALL brick schools in California were demolished in the 1970s, even in areas that don't have earthquakes. Look up Long Beach 1933 earthquake. That was the reason for the Field Act.
This is total insanity! What about all the elderly, like myself and my husband. Our house is 50+ years old, and we blew a breaker awhile back because I plugged in 3 items at the same time! Breaker would not reset. Found out it will cost $4000 to replace the panel!! We cannot afford that, so we have no stove, no microwave, no toaster and no power on one entire side of our kitchen. Our stove is gas, so we can still cook, thank goodness!! But no oven!! And it will remain this way as we will never be able to afford to get it fixed!! So if these idiot politicians think they can force this on elderly and low income, they have another whole group of people that will be living in poverty and not be able to replace appliances, heaters, etc. I'm old, so hopefully I will die and not have to worry about it.
I hope you live a long life! I don't see how this can be forced on anyone. Are the police, PG&E, and electricians going to force their way into your house to change your water heater and then send you a bill for it? Don't let it stress you.
I agree it sucks there forcing us to upgrade because, yeah, not everyone can afford new wiring or panels because the cost of everything is going up. Unfortunately, the way things are going, you guys might be without certain appliances for a long time.
@nettieh.5705 No, they just won't be able to use gas appliances because they'll just close the gas off in the streets, so no one uses natural gas, once the time comes.
And why arent the citizens voting to see if they want to to switch to electric? These clowns take decisions on behalf of the citizens 😂 wtf lol
unelected leftist bureaucrats making decisions on our behalf and none of what they are proposing effects them. Hypocrites, as are all dems.
This was POORLY researched. I was a Journeyman Gas Pipe fitter, installation & repair of gas appliances for 50 years. I got rid of all the gas appliances in my home and I am elated about it. Yes, there was the inital wiring upgrade, that was it. Yes an electric furnace sucks current, but a HEAT PUMP is actually cheaper to operate and also cools on hot days. Instead of a tank electric water heater, I have a tankless type and it only pulls electricity when I actually run hot water, and it provides an endless supply. Same with my electric dryer, and I have an induction range, which cooks faster than gas and has equally good instant control. So these tech guys are only talking about the past, not the current options.
And lastly, unlike my friends who still use supposedly cheap natural gas, I didn't get a $400 gas bill for one month in January. And my electric bill LADWP was only $200 for everything, including charging TWO electric cars. So I hope you will do a story that is about the advantages of moving into the 21st century, instead of scaring people about changes that ALL of us must do, or face even more hellacious storms and lower food production, forever.
The fact people think going electric is clean energy 😂😂😂
This is infuriating. There's no way PG&E can suddenly become competent and upgrade the electrical grid to handle the new requirements. And the mayor of Emeryville is a clown, as is everyone on the BAAQMD board who voted for the new rules. Nobody voted for them to be on this board. This is going to cause an immense amount of stress on people who don't have the money to upgrade their electrical systems, and simply delaying the deadline in one year increments isn't going to relieve that stress.
They don't care. They'll just cut off the gas supply in the streets, so no one uses natural gas.
Cold showers and no heat coming you way! Thanks unelected officials!
Old has lines are super expensive to replace by the Cities. This is an attempt to make the consumer shoulder the bills of long overdue maintenance and replacement of corroding underground gas lines by Pge and other gas utility owners.
How long before we can vote out the mayor of Emeryville?
PG&E will never be able to handle the power demand. If there's storm, you are basically back to the stone age.
Stop banning things!!! People should be allowed to choose. Thank you for reporting on this. California is insane. Glad I left!
That started decades ago with low-flow toilets and shower heads. Leaving California will only offer a reprieve. Many other states and cities are pushing similar bans. Also, possibility of it happening at the federal level. The government looks down on regular people. For many things, only the wealthy and politically connected have any real choice.
Let me get this straight - We install electric appliances (and electric cars) running off a severely under-generating utility which makes electricity using (wait for it...) GAS!! So, what am I missing here?? (is anybody "home" in the government??)
Go buy a heater in Fresno and install it yourself.
This was POORLY researched. I was a Journeyman Gas Pipe fitter, installation & repair of gas appliances for 50 years. I got rid of all the gas appliances in my home and I am elated about it. Yes, there was the inital wiring upgrade, that was it. Yes an electric furnace sucks current, but a HEAT PUMP is actually cheaper to operate and also cools on hot days. Instead of a tank electric water heater, I have a tankless type and it only pulls electricity when I actually run hot water, and it provides an endless supply. Same with my electric dryer, and I have an induction range, which cooks faster than gas and has equally good instant control. So these tech guys are only talking about the past, not the current options.
And lastly, unlike my friends who still use supposedly cheap natural gas, I didn't get a $400 gas bill for one month in January. And my electric bill LADWP was only $200 for everything, including charging TWO electric cars. So I hope you will do a story that is about the advantages of moving into the 21st century, instead of scaring people about changes that ALL of us must do, or face even more hellacious storms and lower food production, forever.
I have a friend who is a freight carrier truck from Oakland to Salt Lake City. He is now looking into buying Gas Water Heaters in another state and bringing them into California to use for sale to consumers. If I need to replace my Gas Water Heater I'll be one of his customers.
That will eventually be illegal.
Why does COP27 have such outweighted influence over the United States??
Other countries are bigger polluters
Transition as smooth as possible while giving it to you raw.
This was POORLY researched. I was a Journeyman Gas Pipe fitter, installation & repair of gas appliances for 50 years. I got rid of all the gas appliances in my home and I am elated about it. Yes, there was the inital wiring upgrade, that was it. Yes an electric furnace sucks current, but a HEAT PUMP is actually cheaper to operate and also cools on hot days. Instead of a tank electric water heater, I have a tankless type and it only pulls electricity when I actually run hot water, and it provides an endless supply. Same with my electric dryer, and I have an induction range, which cooks faster than gas and has equally good instant control. So these tech guys are only talking about the past, not the current options.
And lastly, unlike my friends who still use supposedly cheap natural gas, I didn't get a $400 gas bill for one month in January. And my electric bill LADWP was only $200 for everything, including charging TWO electric cars. So I hope you will do a story that is about the advantages of moving into the 21st century, instead of scaring people about changes that ALL of us must do, or face even more hellacious storms and lower food production, forever.
Let's see what the politicians can ban next. How about BIG polluters like classic cars and motorcycles forcing all of those to go EV? How about outlawing all propane torches, heaters and fireplaces you see at restaurants? Forcing folks will do no good; they will simply order a gas water heater from Oregon or Nevada. When we upgraded our shower, I needed to go out of state to get a custom shower head since CA bans most that don't meet flow reduction standards. We installed our own flow reducer to save energy using the appliance I preferred, not the state. I also got solar over the summer and in the process of getting a heat pump because it makes financial/ecological sense, not because some politician said I have to. We have an EV, PHEV for the same reason but, don't take away our diesel truck! And luckily, we have the finance to do so; many people don't. Most importantly, many older homes are not prepared for massive electrical changes needed to implement these appliances. Think about your 80 year old grandmother getting by on SS having to spend $30,000+ to change her furnace, electrical panel, hot water heater and clothes dryer!
Oh no my electric bill will be more than now
This will probably force people to go back to using their fire place which happens to be worst for the environment.
This was POORLY researched. I was a Journeyman Gas Pipe fitter, installation & repair of gas appliances for 50 years. I got rid of all the gas appliances in my home and I am elated about it. Yes, there was the inital wiring upgrade, that was it. Yes an electric furnace sucks current, but a HEAT PUMP is actually cheaper to operate and also cools on hot days. Instead of a tank electric water heater, I have a tankless type and it only pulls electricity when I actually run hot water, and it provides an endless supply. Same with my electric dryer, and I have an induction range, which cooks faster than gas and has equally good instant control. So these tech guys are only talking about the past, not the current options.
And lastly, unlike my friends who still use supposedly cheap natural gas, I didn't get a $400 gas bill for one month in January. And my electric bill LADWP was only $200 for everything, including charging TWO electric cars. So I hope you will do a story that is about the advantages of moving into the 21st century, instead of scaring people about changes that ALL of us must do, or face even more hellacious storms and lower food production, forever.
nonsense who makes these calls ????? the electrical grid is just about keeping the lights on at the moment and now they want to add water heaters!!
This was POORLY researched. I was a Journeyman Gas Pipe fitter, installation & repair of gas appliances for 50 years. I got rid of all the gas appliances in my home and I am elated about it. Yes, there was the inital wiring upgrade, that was it. Yes an electric furnace sucks current, but a HEAT PUMP is actually cheaper to operate and also cools on hot days. Instead of a tank electric water heater, I have a tankless type and it only pulls electricity when I actually run hot water, and it provides an endless supply. Same with my electric dryer, and I have an induction range, which cooks faster than gas and has equally good instant control. So these tech guys are only talking about the past, not the current options.
And lastly, unlike my friends who still use supposedly cheap natural gas, I didn't get a $400 gas bill for one month in January. And my electric bill LADWP was only $200 for everything, including charging TWO electric cars. So I hope you will do a story that is about the advantages of moving into the 21st century, instead of scaring people about changes that ALL of us must do, or face even more hellacious storms and lower food production, forever.
Going back to the Stone Age
If I’m forced to shed my gas appliances, I’ll leave.
Regulated into the POOR House.But don't worry PG&E is working on furnace that runs on fairy dust and cat hair.
CA really trying to push the electric grid past maximum capacity 😊
Some of these really old homes are only a 100A main breaker. Luckily I've already upgraded my 1947 home to a 200A main and it only cost me $1000. It's good to have friends that know electrical 😊.
don't forget you have to charge your EV as well, gas cars are banned.
@@abc123fhdi Exactly and that too is pushing the CA electric grid past maximum and that was evident in 2022 when Dictator Newsom told EV owners not to charge their vehicles during certain hours 🤣
And there are still a handful of old homes that still have a 60 amp fuse panel.
Now imagine if you didn't have friends to upgrade your electric panel with more 220 circuits were talking spending 5k up possibly rewire entire house depending on yr.
@peragtori I have rewired my entire home. Got rid of the old cloth covered wiring. Installed 14/12/10 gauge wiring throughout and installed all new receptical boxes/outlets & light switches on all walls. Saved $1000s by doing it myself......
Ok.... 2027...by then their may NOT be a California to revamp.
This was POORLY researched. I was a Journeyman Gas Pipe fitter, installation & repair of gas appliances for 50 years. I got rid of all the gas appliances in my home and I am elated about it. Yes, there was the inital wiring upgrade, that was it. Yes an electric furnace sucks current, but a HEAT PUMP is actually cheaper to operate and also cools on hot days. Instead of a tank electric water heater, I have a tankless type and it only pulls electricity when I actually run hot water, and it provides an endless supply. Same with my electric dryer, and I have an induction range, which cooks faster than gas and has equally good instant control. So these tech guys are only talking about the past, not the current options.
And lastly, unlike my friends who still use supposedly cheap natural gas, I didn't get a $400 gas bill for one month in January. And my electric bill LADWP was only $200 for everything, including charging TWO electric cars. So I hope you will do a story that is about the advantages of moving into the 21st century, instead of scaring people about changes that ALL of us must do, or face even more hellacious storms and lower food production, forever.
Regulators need to remember who they work for..... As usual the people that think this stuff up think it's like flipping a switch. I think we need to take a closer look a just who these people are, and where they have their investments tied into....
As far as I know, the public didn't elect them to be on the BAAMQD. They got appointed.
@@fixpacifica appointed by democrats
Be proactive, if you even think your gas water heater or furnace is not aging well, have your HVAC and plumber install the best, most robust units they can get in 2026. It will buy you some time.
This was POORLY researched. I was a Journeyman Gas Pipe fitter, installation & repair of gas appliances for 50 years. I got rid of all the gas appliances in my home and I am elated about it. Yes, there was the inital wiring upgrade, that was it. Yes an electric furnace sucks current, but a HEAT PUMP is actually cheaper to operate and also cools on hot days. Instead of a tank electric water heater, I have a tankless type and it only pulls electricity when I actually run hot water, and it provides an endless supply. Same with my electric dryer, and I have an induction range, which cooks faster than gas and has equally good instant control. So these tech guys are only talking about the past, not the current options.
And lastly, unlike my friends who still use supposedly cheap natural gas, I didn't get a $400 gas bill for one month in January. And my electric bill LADWP was only $200 for everything, including charging TWO electric cars. So I hope you will do a story that is about the advantages of moving into the 21st century, instead of scaring people about changes that ALL of us must do, or face even more hellacious storms and lower food production, forever.
@@EdwardGarrenMFT You forgot saying you use a propane generator when there is power outage.😂
i've been voting Democrat all my life, this will be the first time i go Republican, all you guys and your crazy ideas putting us working people in hardship, while the politicians are lining their pockets.
This was POORLY researched. I was a Journeyman Gas Pipe fitter, installation & repair of gas appliances for 50 years. I got rid of all the gas appliances in my home and I am elated about it. Yes, there was the inital wiring upgrade, that was it. Yes an electric furnace sucks current, but a HEAT PUMP is actually cheaper to operate and also cools on hot days. Instead of a tank electric water heater, I have a tankless type and it only pulls electricity when I actually run hot water, and it provides an endless supply. Same with my electric dryer, and I have an induction range, which cooks faster than gas and has equally good instant control. So these tech guys are only talking about the past, not the current options.
And lastly, unlike my friends who still use supposedly cheap natural gas, I didn't get a $400 gas bill for one month in January. And my electric bill LADWP was only $200 for everything, including charging TWO electric cars. So I hope you will do a story that is about the advantages of moving into the 21st century, instead of scaring people about changes that ALL of us must do, or face even more hellacious storms and lower food production, forever.
I fail to see the correlation between "air pollution" and natural gas powered water heaters.
Their claim is Nitric Oxide levels are too high in the Bay Area, Nitric Oxide contributes to ozone levels, even though ozone is naturally occurring. The real problem is there are too many people in a small area, and they want to build more units for more people. It's all about tax, and regulation, never entirely about about people though they claim it is their mission is to protect. At some point you need to limit the growth of things because just being to confined in small spaces is hazardous to your health. All this does is encourages a reliance upon government, and corporate services as a necessity. Remember Newsome & PUC gave PG&E a gift when they decided that people that want solar after a certain time now PG&E is at no obligation to pay customers that provide power to the grid, a big mistake by Newsom, and the State Of California Public Utility Commission, they are corrupt beyond corrupt, I think the PG&E San Bruno pipe line explosion uncovered all we need to know about the PUC, and PG&E they are in bed together....
Vote them out!
This was POORLY researched. I was a Journeyman Gas Pipe fitter, installation & repair of gas appliances for 50 years. I got rid of all the gas appliances in my home and I am elated about it. Yes, there was the inital wiring upgrade, that was it. Yes an electric furnace sucks current, but a HEAT PUMP is actually cheaper to operate and also cools on hot days. Instead of a tank electric water heater, I have a tankless type and it only pulls electricity when I actually run hot water, and it provides an endless supply. Same with my electric dryer, and I have an induction range, which cooks faster than gas and has equally good instant control. So these tech guys are only talking about the past, not the current options.
And lastly, unlike my friends who still use supposedly cheap natural gas, I didn't get a $400 gas bill for one month in January. And my electric bill LADWP was only $200 for everything, including charging TWO electric cars. So I hope you will do a story that is about the advantages of moving into the 21st century, instead of scaring people about changes that ALL of us must do, or face even more hellacious storms and lower food production, forever.
Throw them out!
@@EdwardGarrenMFT Bad bot!
They have heat pump water heater that uses only 300w.. they are coming out with models that use 110v so you don’t have to upgrade nothing.
These people who wanna phase out gas are insane. I’ve been a plumber for over 20 years you guys are screwed. It makes me sick. I’m glad the news is reporting on this
This was POORLY researched. I was a Journeyman Gas Pipe fitter, installation & repair of gas appliances for 50 years. I got rid of all the gas appliances in my home and I am elated about it. Yes, there was the inital wiring upgrade, that was it. Yes an electric furnace sucks current, but a HEAT PUMP is actually cheaper to operate and also cools on hot days. Instead of a tank electric water heater, I have a tankless type and it only pulls electricity when I actually run hot water, and it provides an endless supply. Same with my electric dryer, and I have an induction range, which cooks faster than gas and has equally good instant control. So these tech guys are only talking about the past, not the current options.
And lastly, unlike my friends who still use supposedly cheap natural gas, I didn't get a $400 gas bill for one month in January. And my electric bill LADWP was only $200 for everything, including charging TWO electric cars. So I hope you will do a story that is about the advantages of moving into the 21st century, instead of scaring people about changes that ALL of us must do, or face even more hellacious storms and lower food production, forever.
@@EdwardGarrenMFT kids are gonna go without hot showers and warm homes because of people that think they are going to change it all.
This is the Bay Area 🤦♂️
The transition is not equitable. Low-income communities won't be able to afford the exorbitant cost.
Don't worry...they'll get an 'equitable' handout that the rest of us who earn a living will pay for.
@@spacini exactly.
This was POORLY researched. I was a Journeyman Gas Pipe fitter, installation & repair of gas appliances for 50 years. I got rid of all the gas appliances in my home and I am elated about it. Yes, there was the inital wiring upgrade, that was it. Yes an electric furnace sucks current, but a HEAT PUMP is actually cheaper to operate and also cools on hot days. Instead of a tank electric water heater, I have a tankless type and it only pulls electricity when I actually run hot water, and it provides an endless supply. Same with my electric dryer, and I have an induction range, which cooks faster than gas and has equally good instant control. So these tech guys are only talking about the past, not the current options.
And lastly, unlike my friends who still use supposedly cheap natural gas, I didn't get a $400 gas bill for one month in January. And my electric bill LADWP was only $200 for everything, including charging TWO electric cars. So I hope you will do a story that is about the advantages of moving into the 21st century, instead of scaring people about changes that ALL of us must do, or face even more hellacious storms and lower food production, forever.
@Edward Garren You don't seem to be concerned about why a gas bill is $400. Gas is plentiful. And you speak as if your service upgrade was some minor expense.
If you think electricity isn't very soon going to cost as much as gas you're dreaming. These newly discovered supposed health risks of gas are scare tactics.
This is all about furthering the control over every aspect of our lives and profiting from it.
To believe that the present power grid or for that matter any system in the near future is going to be able to power everyone's furnace, stove, water heater , hot tub, washing machine , dryer, refrigerator lawnmower and automobile(s) is completely naive.
How about leave us alone? “Phase out” something that works?!? “The People’s Republic of Newsom” strikes again.
Very Very Well Said
This was POORLY researched. I was a Journeyman Gas Pipe fitter, installation & repair of gas appliances for 50 years. I got rid of all the gas appliances in my home and I am elated about it. Yes, there was the inital wiring upgrade, that was it. Yes an electric furnace sucks current, but a HEAT PUMP is actually cheaper to operate and also cools on hot days. Instead of a tank electric water heater, I have a tankless type and it only pulls electricity when I actually run hot water, and it provides an endless supply. Same with my electric dryer, and I have an induction range, which cooks faster than gas and has equally good instant control. So these tech guys are only talking about the past, not the current options.
And lastly, unlike my friends who still use supposedly cheap natural gas, I didn't get a $400 gas bill for one month in January. And my electric bill LADWP was only $200 for everything, including charging TWO electric cars. So I hope you will do a story that is about the advantages of moving into the 21st century, instead of scaring people about changes that ALL of us must do, or face even more hellacious storms and lower food production, forever.
We MUST get rid of gruesome newscum!! That is the answer!! And we need to find out who are on these so-called boards, and vote them out or find out how to get rid of them!!!
Just wondering if you had solar panels on the rooftop, would this offset some of the cost?
I used to have a solar panel that held water, in the warm months the water would heat up on the roof, and then it would feed into the water heater instead of cold water, thereby reducing the energy to heat the water. I'm not sure if they still make those. (Bought house in 1987).
What about those instant water heaters? The tankless ones? Would you need one for each sink/ shower or one for the house? All I keep hearing is that the cost of energy wll be much higher than now. Plus with the power going out all the time, folks won't be able to cook, heat, take hot showers while the electricity is out.
And the electric cars, there isn't enough electricity for everything as it is.
No, NEM3.0 starts next month for new rooftop PV homeowners. This assumes you are served by an IOU, e.g. PG&E. Electricity will never beat the efficiency of natural gas heating. BTW, I am a solar advocate. The "all-electric" home is a good idea for new construction if NEM3.0 did not exist, not old Bay Area homes.
A LOT of the cost. This was POORLY researched. I was a Journeyman Gas Pipe fitter, installation & repair of gas appliances for 50 years. I got rid of all the gas appliances in my home and I am elated about it. Yes, there was the inital wiring upgrade, that was it. Yes an electric furnace sucks current, but a HEAT PUMP is actually cheaper to operate and also cools on hot days. Instead of a tank electric water heater, I have a tankless type and it only pulls electricity when I actually run hot water, and it provides an endless supply. Same with my electric dryer, and I have an induction range, which cooks faster than gas and has equally good instant control. So these tech guys are only talking about the past, not the current options.
And lastly, unlike my friends who still use supposedly cheap natural gas, I didn't get a $400 gas bill for one month in January. And my electric bill LADWP was only $200 for everything, including charging TWO electric cars. So I hope you will do a story that is about the advantages of moving into the 21st century, instead of scaring people about changes that ALL of us must do, or face even more hellacious storms and lower food production, forever.
@@EdwardGarrenMFT Glad all electric was economical for you. Note that I said Investor Owned Utility (IOU) served areas. You're lucky you have LADWP. Just compare the rates and you have your answer. All homeowners should do some simple math. Operating cost of gas appliances vs your electricity rates. With IOU and all-electric, your usage will bump you up into Tier 2 rates. If you have solar and NEM3, ACC export is not economical and TOU will not be good for the typical single residential family usage pattern. So what works for Mr. Garren may not work for others.
As for the Big Picture, what we should all do is push for more non-solar renewables and storage for California. When the sun goes down, more than half of our electricity is either imported or is sourced from natural gas peaker plants (e.g. right now at 10:30pm 38% natural gas, 21% import per CalISO). We have too much solar, but not enough ESS. When electricity is cheap and clean, it will incentivize the right behavior.
@@EdwardGarrenMFT Thanks.
Nice, good job California . Rolling black out and cold shower here they come
Gavin newsom giving us more reason to leave the state
Safe and equitable😂
Gas water heaters, wall heaters, and floor furnaces work without electricity. California already has sky high electric rates. I think we need to elect more Republicans.
Consumers... and apartment owners, small businesses, etc.
This was POORLY researched. I was a Journeyman Gas Pipe fitter, installation & repair of gas appliances for 50 years. I got rid of all the gas appliances in my home and I am elated about it. Yes, there was the inital wiring upgrade, that was it. Yes an electric furnace sucks current, but a HEAT PUMP is actually cheaper to operate and also cools on hot days. Instead of a tank electric water heater, I have a tankless type and it only pulls electricity when I actually run hot water, and it provides an endless supply. Same with my electric dryer, and I have an induction range, which cooks faster than gas and has equally good instant control. So these tech guys are only talking about the past, not the current options.
And lastly, unlike my friends who still use supposedly cheap natural gas, I didn't get a $400 gas bill for one month in January. And my electric bill LADWP was only $200 for everything, including charging TWO electric cars. So I hope you will do a story that is about the advantages of moving into the 21st century, instead of scaring people about changes that ALL of us must do, or face even more hellacious storms and lower food production, forever.
Well! Customers got to pay skyrocketing gas bills the past 3 months. How can using gas water heater cost less? Gas price has tripled, quadrupled and much more. I'm looking really hard to either use solar panels and/or convert all gas appliances to electric. I already converted gas water heater to electric and couldn't be happier. Time to convert gas stove/hvac to stop the gas price terror.
Keep it on vacation mode until you use it. Wait 20 minutes to heat up.
Many older all-electric homes, at least on the East Coast, only have 100 amps service (some with service wires rated even lower at 60 amps) and do just fine. The electrician in the news story says even 200 amps, which is standard in most newer homes, may not be enough. That's hard to believe. For those switching out appliances, be wary of electricians pushing costly upgrades that may not be necessary.
I hear it is unhealthy to have a natural gas stove inside a home. I would imagine that if a gas stove is dangerous then so are gas water heaters.
Hope yous enjoy electric bill haha oh wait a minute and those rolling blackouts then you end up with ice cold water lmao hope yous enjoy your EV cars when ya can't get to work in the morning or buy them all up now and also enjoy paying the reparations lmao
Bad reporting, confounds resistant electric heating with heat pump technology. Yes the out of pocket cost is high but switching to heat pump water heater and home heating costs less in the long run and will pay for itself in just a couple of years. KPIX should be ashamed of this half-baked report. I replaced my gas water heater with heat pump and it works perfectly, emits no fumes, and costs less to run.
Do you think that it will stay this efficient and cost savings once millions of homes and apartments are converted and entrusting PG&E to provide power on demand? I’m not being sarcastic. I’m just very sceptical of PG&E based on their past performance.
@@maylani3697 Yes, but in my case I've done the next step, I have solar power. Either way, the concern about PGE raising electric cost applies just as much to "natural" gas, which will only get more expensive and it directly adds to climate change. All energy costs will go up, so invest in the most efficient appliances.
This was POORLY researched. I was a Journeyman Gas Pipe fitter, installation & repair of gas appliances for 50 years. I got rid of all the gas appliances in my home and I am elated about it. Yes, there was the inital wiring upgrade, that was it. Yes an electric furnace sucks current, but a HEAT PUMP is actually cheaper to operate and also cools on hot days. Instead of a tank electric water heater, I have a tankless type and it only pulls electricity when I actually run hot water, and it provides an endless supply. Same with my electric dryer, and I have an induction range, which cooks faster than gas and has equally good instant control. So these tech guys are only talking about the past, not the current options.
And lastly, unlike my friends who still use supposedly cheap natural gas, I didn't get a $400 gas bill for one month in January. And my electric bill LADWP was only $200 for everything, including charging TWO electric cars. So I hope you will do a story that is about the advantages of moving into the 21st century, instead of scaring people about changes that ALL of us must do, or face even more hellacious storms and lower food production, forever.
Not buying into the "were all going to die" BS.
Agreed on the poor research. The energy code basically doesn't allow a conventional electric resistance water heater - which is what the electrical contractor was talking about. Unless there is no gas service available. The contractor had the amperages inflated even for that. A heat pump water heater is insanely efficient - 2-3 times more efficient than a gas water heater and a tankless as well.
What they did get right is that a heat pump water heater will be way more expensive installed. Part of that is the water heater costing more, and part is the need to install a 220 circuit at the water heater. Part is they are new and the contractors are charging thousands of dollars more for reasons that baffle me. Competition will hopefully rein in the pricing over time.
Another reason why California is out of control and will cost you more money to live there.
Another reason to leave and stay away, from this state.