Nottingham attacks: Victims families angry over missed chances to stop killer
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- Опубликовано: 24 янв 2024
- Valdo Calocane is, said the judge, unlikely ever to be released. But the decision to sentence the triple killer to be detained in a high security hospital angered the families of Calocane's victims, who say they've been denied justice.
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The court heard that the 32 year-old committed "a series of atrocities" in Nottingham last year, but the Crown Prosecution Service says his paranoid schizophrenia meant there was no chance of a murder conviction
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Are you kidding me? This was a murderous rampage, and he was previously well known to the authorities and mental health services. This is disgraceful.
Police and mental health services examined him and found him to be not fully responsible for the crime he committed. You may not like it but this is how the justice system works. A sentence must be passed with all due considerations. They cannot be passed based on what the families or what the public wants (which is the toughest possible sentence). This is just and fair and it's not like he'll be having fun while spending time in a hospital. He clearly has mental health issues which will probably plague him for a long time to come and as someone who has dealt with some mental health issues, they can be debilitating and awful so he certainly wont be at peace.
The government are not on our side.
@@ce5890a boaty? Did he arrive by dinghy?
valdo calocane? more like calcocaine!! the murderer was almost certainly out of his fucking black face when he stabbed the 3 non black people to death!! there is talk of banning knives! however, i think all drugs should be made illegal!! knife killings usually involve drugs - whether being used or being sold!! anybody found with a knife & drugs should be locked up for a very long time!!! the scumbag's mental health problem can almost certainly be down to his consumption of drugs!
i bet lucy letby wishes she had been tried at the same court! but there was one snag - she ain't black!!!
Part and parcel of living in an islamist country.
It's a wonder the guy that punched him in face while trying to get in window wasn't charged
Him being a poor victim UNBELIEVABLE
Should we call it premeditated manslaughter then! These families have been utterly let down by the entire British system. This country has gone to the dogs. Disgraceful
And they want you to go to the frontline
Fuc going on about mental health ! He’s a murderer!!!!
Those people who knew he was dangerous, but nevertheless allowed him to walk free, should now be prosecuted !
Real justice doesn't exist when all the power is concentrated in the hands of virtuously corrupt
To see those two young people walking down the street healthy and happy , knowing they are just about to be attacked and murdered is beyond heartbreaking.
I cannot find the words to all those authorities who were well aware of his danger to the public.
Underesourced?
@@steveforest8385 he asked to be sectioned and was ignored
@@edaleman2758it’s not about undersourced. Give the police and mental health professionals more powers to detain. Vote for parties that will use the power. The police were right the first time. It wouldn’t have changed anything. There’s hundreds of people just like him all over the country. Touch them and it’s about their rights
I've heard harsher words from a judge over a speeding ticket 🙄
I am f**king furious! I feel so sad, and so much sympathy for the deceased and their families. A lovely guy, and 2 children were MURDERED! CHILDREN FFS! And they say manslaughter!! Im fuming.
There are many mental people walking in London near where i live and i wrote to my MP Mr A Slaughter and let him know if the government doesn't take any actions this things going to happen i am sorry to say,this is the resposibility of the government.
It's incredible the level of contempt that the elites of this country show their citizens in allowing soft sentences like this. This guy is a migrant to the uk who killed 3 innocent people and hurt several others. He should be getting worse than a jail sentence. It's a disgrace that now he will spend the rest of his life getting fed on British taxpayer money.
There are no punishments stronger than life in prison in this country. Although, mental illness or not, I fail to see how this can be considered anything other than murder.
Why don't we deport migrant criminals if they clearly failed to integrate? I wonder what is restricting the government from kicking them out.
How is an indeterminate sentence in a secure hospital for the insane a "soft sentence"?
If anything, it's even harder to be released from than a normal prison!
Imagine if it was your relative that had severe mental health issues. The lack of compassion of many Brits is a big part of the problem with this country.
soft sentence? he'll never be released, thankfully we don't have racist knuckle dragging bell ends running the judicial system.
I hope the family's find peace. you have all shown amazing grace
You can't find peace after that.
No possibility of peace with this outcome.
This is a million miles from justice. They are being traumatised all over again. Thanks to the CPS.
This ludicrous decision must be challenged.
As someone who suffers with mental health I can confirm that the mental health services in this country (especially in my county) are beyond dire. The services are very poor, the treatment is poor, the staff are often very unprofessional, barely speak a word of English and when you do challenge them because they don't speak clearly they raise their voice and are just useless all in all. I recently had a therapist disclose my personal information when he wasn't allowed to do so which just shows the extent of how poor they really are in this country. Yeses they have failed these families and the people that are supposed to prevent these sort of things from happening have handled this disgracefully, the police, health services and even the judge should hold their heads in shame because I know people who suffer with the same disorder he does and they know full well right from wrong. Mental health isn't an excuse for what he did.
Agreed.. one of my parents suffers from mental illness and would never hurt a fly .. it’s just another excuse for criminals to exploit the law!
It doesn't matter if you know people who suffer from the same disorder as him. He's not someone you know, and his case differs from your friend's. Your friends, just like yourself, are functioning enough to know the difference between right and wrong this man wasn't. God forbid any of your friends ever get as bad as this man; make sure you keep the same energy, or will you have some empathy, considering they are your friends
Why was he here? Notice how the media never ask that question?
The lefty's and woke brigade are to blame for this and plenty of other killings
Ah he would have been one of the many doctors and engineers David Lammy is always talking about
Classic Catch 22. Feel so sorry for the shattered families who are receiving classic English injustice. This killer should never have been on our streets. The victims' families have shown amazing restraint and grace over a tragedy that should never have happened.
Joke of a system
The whole country is a joke now.
Yet you should claim your free benefits can't be that bad
@@micktaylor9332exactly the reason why I spend only a few months a year here
The police are too busy stopping people playing pianos in public.
Idiots playing pianos you mean
Yep
And calling him racist for saying do you come from communist china lol, oops can i say that youtube police?
So the taxpayers yet again foot the bill for another criminal to live his days out in comfort and compassion while the poor families endure suffering for the rest of their lives….. care in the community has really worked hasn’t it. 😡
I don’t know what your psychiatric hospitals are like in the UK. But, if they’re anything like in the US, then he’s in for a real bad time.
Thank god UK mental hospitals have a lot of compassion for both the victims and the people who suffer from mental illness....our hospitals for mental health here are amazung
The victims families say him sentenced to a hospital instead of a cell is fucking with their search for truth and real justice. (Real facts)
This could happen to anyone of us… UK has become a very dangerous place to live. He may be mentally ill ..? But he seems to know what he was doing . from the videos I’m watching
Skitzos are dangerous hes a sadistic serial killing psychopath too. The corporate capitalist system promotes objectification and dehumanisation. Its dodgy mindset for all
He is aware enough to say no comment in the interview too
@@dilksjoelgo and look up what he said to his brother the night before he did it. He knew exactly what he was going to do.
It’s become a very dangerous place indeed, but for a woman to carry pepper spray, she could face the same charges as carrying a machine gun.
If he didn't engage with the GP post discharge from being sectioned, then steps should have been taken, SOMETHING..not just "oh he didn't engage, that's that then.." well, he probably COULDNT. It's WILD.
If he had not been let in to the country, it wouldn't have happened
If you hadn't been let onto RUclips your comment would never have happened.
We're not allowed 2 feel that way
We must be more tolerant
@@billkosses3808 He's right though isn't he? That's why you don't have anything to comeback with libtard!
@@G4RY1159 Or just less stupid. Either way.
@@billkosses3808 Naw, show us where the comment hurt you.
The NHS the Police passing the buck again they both screwed up no accountability yet again
Poor man was just having a hard time apparently. No probs when he's better he can go and live with the Judge and his family or maybe his defence lawyer that dressed him up all nice to get sympathy for him.
Absolutely despicable the way these poor grieving people have been let down.
The powers that be don't care for justice; they care only for division, outrage and undermining the common folk. They are all in cohorts - judiciary, politicians, police etc. all puppets and actors.
So why wasn't he deported after his first, or early convictions...think I know why
Our laws are a joke our judges are to soft on people like this give him a few years then they will relise him saying he's beter and he will do it all again
What a disgrace...this is to go mad... having to loose a son or a daughter full of life in this way and out if the blue.
This result stinks of corruption
That's islam for you.
What a stupid comment that does nothing to address the issues and tragedy raised by this awful incident.
Psychiatrists will let him out in a few years ....and who will be watching their actions. Good boy take your meds and behave.
All taxpayer funded as well.
🙄 That’s not how it works Elaine!! I believe some of you chat waffle on purpose for likes🤡
If he replied 'no comment' to every question surely that indicates a level of lucidity and awareness?
My sentiments EXACTLY. He knew what he had done and was being questioned about.
HE KNEW!!!!!
I'd imagine he was assessed by a medical professional...rather than some bloke off the internet.
@@martinpatterson3417 People like you are evidently why the british justice system is so easy to blag my friend 🙄 "uh yeah it was a machine in me head innit, told me to er, kill these people n tha.."
Doctor: 😲 📝
He KNEW!!
A LAWYER WOULD ADVISE THIS! You can’t be that unaware?!!
The police and law let another British family down. Not the first and not the last.
So you think we should be incarcerating the insane in regular prisons?
He entered the country as an asylum seeker. This is just another reason to keep the dinghies in Calais.🤧
@@colleenpeck6347 And the government couldn't care less.
Politicians and their obsession with open borders has absolutely ruined this country and put every one of us and our families at risk from people who absolutely hate us. The stupidity is staggering.
My heart goes out to you all.
Didn't someone say streets will run red with blood..?
Imagine if people had listened.
And it's only going to get worse. Much worse.
@@micktaylor9332 Indeed.
I've done a bit of out of hours work for a certain agency, and I can confirm there's a lot worse to come. Most of these leftist cucks need to spend a few hours trawling through CCTV footage to see if certain groups of very long bearded men, sone of which are taxi drivers, are buying large quantities of knives, screws, nails, bolts and metal containers.
Sadly they will be more of this to come with all the unvetted boat people. Open boarders with thousands of young fighting age men . What could go wrong 😢😢😢😢
By boat you mean the Rocket scientist express ?
This was murder not manslaughter. The country has Broadmoor for a reason for the criminally mentally ill. I'm sadly very aware of mental illness. My father was sectioned because he had a series of mini strokes and lost all track of time and thought he still had guns, from when he was a target rifle competitor even though he did not they had been banned, but that was enough for the powers that be to force him to be sectioned and incarcerated in a secure facility. Yet this man gets to perpetrate offence after offence and literally from the videos walk away from murders. I know someone with schizophrenia and since treatment they're doing great...I hate that a person like this pos is using his mental health issues to walk away from a killing spree...he had the capability to plan and implement the plan so imo he's guilty as sin. My heart breaks for the families and I'm livid there's no planned revue and no real justice. This was not manslaughter just because he claimed insanity...is this our future...people can just attack and kill others and claim their mentally ill it's appauling.
What happened with your Dad ?
He is a paranoid schizophrenic that is not the same as schizophrenia . Paranoid schizophrenics are very dangerous.
Maybe any murder, apart from in war, is mental illness.
We were never asked.
Doctor or engineer? People with special privilege can even get away with triple murders.
Yet at the time the families asked for calm over the arrest of that monster and behaved with dignity and THIS is how the justice system repays them! It WAS murder. THE LAW IS NOT THE LAW
Getting a Gp appointment is not easy these days. So therefore no one is monitoring anyone at the moment.
You British?
@@mikeanderson7549 I don’t understand how that has anything to do with anything.
Hate crime murder.
I agree... This will only breed more hate in the UK.
They race around certain streets in central London at night and the local bought off police just turn a blind eye/act as security.
He murdered them. That is crazy. He should never be released. Much love to the victims familys. So senseless. Is he even mad or just a disgusting human?
Everyone in this was failed by the system including the man who committed these crimes this is so sad there are so many mentally Ill people who have been neglected by the system, just given strong medications that doesn’t really help them in fact makes them worse.. if someone is mentally unstable of course they will be reluctant in seeking intervention because they are MENTALLY ILL. What are people not getting. NHS never takes accountability for there slackness. I feel sorry for the families but they need to look at the route of the problem and hold the right people accountable
Your part of the problem if you believe there was anything wrong with that piece of work . He just managed to outsmart those lefty Dr's and social workers into believing he had "mental health issues" FFS wake up...
A decade of austerity cuts have left the nhs a shell of what it was , given the service is now the busiest it has ever been thanks to our loose border control. The cuts also have resulted in a decline of community projects in the deprived and high poverty areas. Its a recipe for disaster and we have only the tories to thank for it.
He should never have been in this country.
The responsibility lays fully on our goverment and justice policies in the uk first and foremost and then it filters down yo the NHS services and the police and social services and the list goes on . Our government needs to overhaul the whole safety measures for the public of this country .
@@emmiewilson5024everyone takes responsibility except for the person who actually done the crime I couldn't care less if he had mental health issues there's 1000s of people in Britain who have the same problems he has but don't go out on a murdering spree
If Britain wasn’t so racist he could have been Another future doctor or engineer.
He’s also a victim here. What a waste of 4 lives and what a waste of time all the bigots on here are
This is a terrible thing to say about this matter
Btw there are many great black Doctors and engineers in England!!
@@ggunga7764 lolz
@@Philroy1979bootlicker
@@ggunga7764 Ahhh yes how can we forget the high class black surgeons and morticians running around hacking people with knifes and machetes they don't even need a scalpel so qualified they are.
Why is Nobody saying that all the services involved in "Keeping People Safe" have been systematically starved of Funding for 14 Years ! this is surely a contributing Factor to this Extremely Sad Story , holding those responsible Accountable is now on the top of the Agenda , but no mention of this , Why Not?
He knew how to play the system. I’m afraid until you are in the judicial system you will realise how bad it is .The dead have no rights, and the relatives carry the sadness forever. I know this I have the t-shirt. What we must also remember how many of these people are arriving on small boats. You might not think it will happen to you …..but you never know until the grim reaper knocks at your door 😒
You can't blame immigrants or migration. The blame lies with successive governments and those who voted them in...and the rotten system. All allowed for by the people.
The mam who killed the victims is also a victim.He had schizophrenia. The poor lad deserved help,legally he should of been given treatment.He is also a victim of the broken psychiatric system.Underfunded and unfit for purpose.They let this poor man down.😢
Yet more murders committed by someone who shouldn't even be here, its a sickening example of Government failure.
Agree. He entered the country as an asylum seeker.
The asst chief constable isn't fit for his job. So much dismissive attitude, weak policing. Weak leadership. Everyone knows this guy should not have been on the streets. Dreadful police work. Totally. Arrogant too.
It’s not the sentencing you should be having a go at but the way the country is being run. There used to be mental hospitals which held people with these mental problems until they were deemed fit for release, now they walk amongst us every single day, this will happen again I guarantee u, but that’s what you can expect from a country with a government that puts money over people (the tories) & the people that vote for them.
If this person was 'known to police', lived in the area, was conspicuous; & as he was wanted for non appearance in court, how was he able to evade the authorities for so long? Don't the police, courts, nhs & others liaise to catch 'warrant dodgers'? Is it too much to ask that plod does some detection?
The real blame here is our failed mental health services and struggling NHS that cannot support these people and allowed this ill man to be on the streets..sad for everyone all around. Thoughts & prayers to the families of the victims
UK law favours the criminals, wicked, and the corrupt. Nothing but hardship for the law-abiding citizens. The justice system is rubbish, we need a new prime minister!
NO Worries Sunak Say,s Lessons Will be Learnt 😷
He’s fully aware of what he’s doing. His actions and attacks were calculated/planned, no doubt acts of a murderer rather than someone who’s on the brink of insanity during those moments. I hope there’s an appeal to the sentence. Him being detained in a psychiatric hospital is too lenient for the heinous crimes he has committed.
Doesn't he still have family here?
Honestly hope this never happens to one of mine, because I'm a firm believer of an eye for an eye.
😮 SMH
"Don't give in to hate", said the victim's mum just after the attack. How's that going for you now luv?
And anyone who says hurry words gets met with the full power of the system! Disgusting!!!
Words are violence though 😁
Mental Health Services are guilty for many deaths. He should of had a CTO with regular checks on his Mental Health and medication concordance. Non engagement would revoke CTO leading to an admission.
The police could of worked closely with Mental Health Service to detain him.
Since Brexit there's quite a massive shortage of workers. It's unlikely they have the staff for this.
The stupidity of the UK law system and the leeches who thrive financially from this injustice is abhorrent. How convenient the sentencing doesn't match what the public want.
We all know why he got away with it awful basteds
Why's that then Daz?
@@TheMarlinspike😂😂😂
Well, we all know bit should help...........
This shows the lack of mental health care, underfunding, lack of co ordinated responses. Places to securely house people with severe mental health issues. As tragic as this is, the vast majority of deaths, come from people killing themselves. Its a very small outcomes like this. This isn't a judicial issue, it is the neglect in dealing with people who have become ill
Bless you. The first person to say that schizophrenic folk are more likely to harm themselves or be victims of crime. Most people on here see a black migrant who has a mental health problem and then tiny brains are overloaded
Time to start applying are own justice.
Mentally Ill....yet he was well aware of answering "no comment" to all questions.
Once again our government and police failing the people of this country over and over, everyday.
This is the typical example of what happened when you welcome everyone! I migrated to the UK 20 years ago and I made it my home. My kids are English and I taught them to love and respect such welcoming place. Now, I find unacceptable what the elite in the country are doing, how they are just after the power and WE, yes we the people who really love that nation the decent citizens are treated. The police is far too woke, the sentences another joke. I believe if you come to do harm , you need to be removed from the country STRAIGHT AWAY.
We are not in the UK at the moment, but we will be back in few years time. I'm scare to death about my kids being out with their friends once we are back!
Your views are not right as the man was mentally ill..you are ignorant.
This has literally nothing to do with him being a migrant. I do not get all the racist comments.There is no race which makes you more likely to be mentally ill/a murderer?
I don't see that the judge and prosecutors had any option but to send, or to agree that he should be sent, him to a secure mental hospital. 3 psychiatrists agreed that he was severely mentally impaired and that diminished responsibility was going to be successfully pleaded due to paranoid schizophrenia. In other words he cannot have had the necessary intent for murder or intent to do grievous bodily harm which will also suffice to prove the intent necessary when someone has been killed. The families doubtless have a legitimate grievance against others in the system but not against either the CPS or the judge.
Truth. The mental health system needs money or this happens again, but it’s why we have British Law.
Here we go again. Another case of police incompetence and negligence that could have prevented such a tragedy.
Until we get total reform and rooting out the corrupt and incompetent we are doomed to a service that does not do it's basic job of protecting the public.
Hate crime
Why you take this to court...we can deal with this on the streets and provide true justice
We'll be Sweden before we know it........
So many people in the comments clearly have no experience of dealing with schizophrenia. Horrific what happened and a complete failure of the system but his punishment will be based on multiple psychiatric assessments from actual professionals, not just people who watch RUclips and think they know how the world works. Such a sad story all round. RIP to the young souls. 😢
The real issue here is the Tories total, chronic underfunding of crumbling mental health services is putting the public in danger. Try and focus on the bigger picture and not some reductive, moronic statement about the colour of his skin.
'Real issue is the tories' ffs yeah like voting a different set of traitors is gonna change anything, but then it wasn't your family member butchered
Then you live with them. Leave the rest of us to make our decisions on "how the world works". 🤫
@@lostronin380 I've lived all over the world, and thankfully, it's helped me grow an opinion on different cultures and not judge them all for the actions of a few.
A schizophrenic man attacked one of my relatives with a hammer. Do I think he should be given the electric chair? He told a psychiatrist that the voices in his head made him do it, and he was white. Do I hate all white people? No.
The UK is a second-world country, even compared to countries you wouldn't think - it is crumbling because it's being asset-stripped by a tiny percentage of the wealthy, all while your anger is directed at immigrants; the rich are laughing at you, wake up.
The families may not fully grasp that the legal system relies on facts and evidence, devoid of emotion and feelings. The individual in question has mental health challenges, leading to their placement in a psychiatric unit, in accordance with the law. Criticizing the government for not adequately funding mental health services and redirecting funds overseas for wars is a valid perspective.
You’d change your tune pretty quickly if you were one of the family members, he shouldn’t have been walking the streets.
Truth
If only Nottingham police spent time on real policing instead of working for Jeremy vine maybe just maybe he could’ve been stopped🤷♀️
God bless the families and hope one day they find peace. 🙏
That judge is a disgrace!
What would the sentence be if it was the Judges family member that was killed?
There is only one sentence for Murder. Everyone convicted of murder gets that sentence. I guess you are too dim to understand that.
Most judges are born with a silver spoon, they don't understand the reality we live in.
Now we're talking..
@@michaelkenny8540you fool.....
@@terptv710 But a 'fool' who knows what the only sentence for murder is. Unlike most of the fools posting here.
Blame this government and not the police for the cuts in the nhs mental health department
Vote reform and stop this nonsense
I believe voting for anything but Labour will just give votes to the Tory party?
Is reform big enough to take them on, or will they just cause Labour to lose votes and strengthen the Tories?
Is Tice back from Ukraine yet, or is he stopping off at Klaus's for his next orders?
Controlled opposition mate.
A wasted vote.
They will release him in 5 years and he will be employed in a care home. This country is a joke.
If ever the death penalty should be reinstated it is now.
There should be a public inquiry. Police and mental health authorities bear a great deal of the blame in this case.
This monster may have become psychotic as a result of long term drug abuse. His mental health conditions may have exaggerated by his lawyers. Nowadays every criminal is trying to avoid prison by using mental health excuses and the courts are giving in. This is an extremely dangerous situation and the blood thirsty murderers are walking free or getting privileged. My heart goes out to the families of the victims who will suffer for the rest of their lives. My prayers are with them.🙏🙏🙏
they got alex belfield sent down for 51/2 years just for making some videos 🤔things just gont add up
You are right. Bell-End should have got 10 years.
It's clearly poor mental health. RIP to all those involved 😢
Black privilege
That’s a racist statement and a breach of both the Equality Act and the Race Relations Act. You’re not welcome in this country
Every white man that commits a crime apparently has a “mental illness”
These fools - how about trying to understand the underlying reasons instead of simplifying everything
So diverse, so powerful. A great contribute to society!
It’s diminished responsibility though isn’t it so it is technically manslaughter he should not of been on the streets and the system failed him as well as his victims and their families.
Diversity is our greatest strength!
Love and support will win. Bigots should be deported.
You can clearly see the patterns here.
They need to shut up for the sake of diversity. Don't look back in anger.
He has settled status through his Portuguese citizenship....what are you talking about.
What kind of message does this sentence send to future terrorists??
The judge should be sacked. He clearly does not understand the meaning of the word justice!
No emotion, repeatedly saying "no comment". Pure evil right there!!
Lots of legal experts in the comments section here. None of us were privy to the information the judge and jury had. The guy was obviously seriously mentally ill. Life inside a secure mental hospital seems like a better way to go than putting someone like this in with other prisoners.
I wonder what sort of sentence he would have had if he was a white British citizen?
Mentally ill enough to calmly walk away, know how to break into a house, drive a van and 'no comment' ..
A uk 🇬🇧 Nikko Jenkins situation. Research the Nikko Jenkins case in Nebraska. Incompetence and negligence at the highest levels.
The more worrying thing is the amount of people from his background are now wondering around our towns and cities. I’m not saying they are all like him but it only takes one to devastate a community. Our security services are appalling and that’s been kind
He's going to say that, then back tracks, shameful, 😢poor people RIP
This playing the mental health card needs to stop, its all too common now...if you commit murder, you should be sent to prison for life, no excuses!