Archery | Dealing With Target Panic

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  • Опубликовано: 15 ноя 2024

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  • @Waltham1892
    @Waltham1892 5 лет назад +45

    I don't experience target panic. I experience target despair...

  • @terrymattson3587
    @terrymattson3587 2 года назад +3

    After 40 years of struggling; thank you thank you. So calmly and simply explained, it’s humbling for me but you broke through to me. I will get to this.👍

  • @dahbrezel
    @dahbrezel 4 года назад +5

    Thank you so much for this video. I actually stopped shooting 2 years ago because i got so frustrated due to this. Your video helped me immensely to get rid of this mental blockage and now i am enjoying the sport again!
    best wishes from austria and stay healthy :)

  • @TheCrimsonAtom
    @TheCrimsonAtom 5 лет назад +15

    When I was just starting my coach had us shoot blind for a few times every month to know how we shoot without anything, he always tells us "I don't care where you shoot, I care about how you shoot". Even now after almost a year of shooting I still sometimes go to blind shoot to remember how the process is supposed to feel like.

  • @bmaluginthevanishingman6034
    @bmaluginthevanishingman6034 2 года назад +1

    I've been watching you for a year and I thought I was subscribed to you but I wasn't and you're the most reliable source besides Kramer Ammos. You are my two go-to guys in archery. Kramer a recommendation popped up in my recommendations on RUclips and archery and I've always wanted to do it all my life but went down a road that wasn't very good so didn't have time for that now that I've got my head leveled he was talking about bows under $109 and that caught my attention and I watched one video and my boss/landlord took me a Bass pro shop for my birthday she got me a bow and after I got my bow I'll come to your channel because it was in my recommendations and one thing led into another . You teach in simplicity. You break it down so beginners can understand what's going on not a beginner anymore though LOL thanks a million

  • @fuzzy4461
    @fuzzy4461 5 лет назад +21

    Uuuhhh, I hate it when the guy I'm shooting at panics!

  • @HAHA.GoodMeme
    @HAHA.GoodMeme 5 лет назад +11

    Target panic can be applied to almost every competition. Almost any difficult task, really. I love when I can take your archery insights and apply them to many aspects of life.

  • @tszwingtam5228
    @tszwingtam5228 5 лет назад +5

    I did the 'remove the aiming star" and my coach helped me change my form in drawing. I recovered in 3 months.

  • @jk1440
    @jk1440 5 лет назад +4

    Excellent insights! I also found it very interesting how you can see the slight hesitancy in your not-so-strong shots compared with your strong ones.
    I suffered from target panic, and have spent over a year with a very good coach overcoming it. The way she see it, it's a process error, and if you don't have a strong, repeatable shot process you will suffer from it.
    We began by writing out my process in full, then we tweaked it and made some very minor form changes, which I practiced with a cliniband. Then followed months and months of working through a programme, which began with a light bow and no sight or clicker, standing in front of a blank boss and simply running through the shot process. We gradually introduced equipment and aiming marks, eventually graduating to heavier limbs about half way through.
    Now I can shoot at targets again, and am working on refining my shot. The techniques you describe - blank boss and blind shooting in particular - are great preventative measures and I still use them now.
    Thanks again for another great video!

  • @peternguyen1911
    @peternguyen1911 5 лет назад +18

    That yelling in the background is giving me target panic

    • @dreadlock375
      @dreadlock375 5 лет назад

      From all the people you took down?

  • @MONKLJ
    @MONKLJ 3 года назад +1

    Good stuff, the whole video. I've had to go back through the whole process, (with eyes closed) several times through my daily two hour practice session. It really does work, especially when I take my own inventory on my shot, seeing and feeling in my mind, thanks much for this advice. Almost feels like meditation, at times, and very important remember to relax, have fun, and breathe.

  • @brucenovotny5924
    @brucenovotny5924 3 года назад

    Absolutely excellent. Therapeutic even. This video has given me hope 🙏. Thank you for your help. 🙏🙏🙏
    👍🙂🇨🇦

  • @wendyandrews1375
    @wendyandrews1375 5 лет назад

    Thankyou so much for your videos, I have only had two lessons, (my instructor has not taught horse bow before), and I am learning so much from you through your brilliant teaching methods. The Astra Shot Trainer means practice every day in the bathroom in front of a long mirror; enough to give anyone target panic!

  • @chrisnoble662
    @chrisnoble662 5 лет назад +6

    Another form of target panic that you didn’t cover, which I suffer with when shooting Barebow, is coming to anchor but feeling that someone is holding my arm and stopping me coming to my point of aim. If I aim during getting to anchor I snap release. The drill for this which I can vouch for is to practice aiming and coming down which re-trains the mind to be in control of when it’s ok to release and when it’s not.

    • @cheesewhiz32
      @cheesewhiz32 5 лет назад +2

      I have this exact issue. I End up dropping my arm hoping to drop in the shot. It's terrible. I stopped shooting years ago because of it...maybe I'll try again

    • @eirschu8973
      @eirschu8973 Год назад +2

      I'm shooting barebow and I got the same issue a year after I started! Like something broke in me, I can't get at my full draw and shoot like something forces me to do it.

    • @AlagomSwede
      @AlagomSwede Год назад +1

      @@eirschu8973 One exercise which helped me with this version of TP is what I would call shooting "dummy" arrows.
      You go through the entire shooting process, minus the release: Get to the line, put the arrow on, draw, expand, then let down. Then push the arrow off the string so it falls to the ground and start over with a new one. When you are out of arrows, grab them off the floor, walk to the target, touch it, and walk back behind the line.
      You'll look like a lunatic and that's ok. You want the shooting "experience" to feel as genuine as possible, even though you never release. You don't want your brain to think "Oh, we're doing like a drill thing right now? Ok."
      Over time, you can start releasing one of your arrows. Then two, etc.

  • @derekperkins7343
    @derekperkins7343 11 месяцев назад

    Thank you. Guess what I've spent all day doing since seeing your video? On the road to recovery now.

  • @dragojlo0278
    @dragojlo0278 4 года назад +1

    I can say my clicker cured my target panic. Before the clicker i would, when shooting without a target or on a big one, do everything as it should be done. But when it was time to advance to the triple target i would almost never get to full draw before releasing. Implementing the clicker fixed that problem for me in as little as a few weeks

  • @feralgrandad4429
    @feralgrandad4429 5 лет назад +1

    I used to shoot 100% instinctive. But, I developed a problem with my left eye. If I "Stare at the spot" when shooting instinctive I developed headaches and blurred vision. So I started "Blind Bale Shooting/Bird Box Shooting"" at 2 meters in my front room at home. This improved my release and expansion drastically. however I still couldn't "Pick a Spot"without the headaches so I had to try something else. In one of you life streams you mentioned the youtube documentary "The Push" It was a revelation, I not use the fixed crawl, close my doggy left eye, then sight off arrow tip and am enjoying my archery again. I still do the "Blind Bale/Bird Box" shooting 3 times a week for about 30 minutes. Really great video David, succinctly addresses the problem. Thanks for making it. Oh and for recommending "The Push" :-)

  • @solomonblake378
    @solomonblake378 4 года назад

    I had no idea what was wrong with me until I found this video! I hadn't shot in a long time and was getting back into it, and I could not get to full draw when there was an arrow on the string (let alone get a full anchor) no matter what I did. Thanks a million for the advice, I will try some of these exercises when I get a chance!

  • @gohumberto
    @gohumberto Год назад

    Here are my symptoms (and what caused me to quit competing).
    1 - I am a pretty good target archer ..... until I get so good that I am competing at a good level.
    2 - Then I get the problem. As I try to move the pin over the Gold, it feels like someone is pushing the bow away from the Gold. Genuinely it feels like someone is pushing the bow.
    3 - This is when I had to start jerking the bow over the gold and releasing. Awful results obviously.
    4 - Another manifestation is that I find it very difficult to hold the bow at full draw. I struggle not to release.
    5 - THE TEST. I took the arrow off the Bow and practised aiming, and holding the sight over the Gold.
    6 - RESULT - I could compete at Olympic level ...... without an arrow on the Bow. I can hold steady over the X for as long as you like. Rock solid.
    I'll try some of your techniques, although I won't compete again. I sold my high-end gear. I can still shoot in the garden though.

  • @gizmonomono
    @gizmonomono 4 года назад +1

    Ha! I haven't seen Bird cage when this was released. I only now understand the reference 😁
    A good video. Worth watching twice. At different points of your archery training.
    One of your best videos, for sure.

  • @andyc7724
    @andyc7724 5 лет назад +1

    Love the way the sun glints through the little round holes in the back wall!

  • @ollies6659
    @ollies6659 5 лет назад

    Excellent Video! This is also a problem that can happen to very good archers where a couple of weak shots can spoil their chance of a good score. i.e. if you become too self-conscious that dropping a shot out of the gold means failure then your process will suffer just as you described.

  • @penny1210wl
    @penny1210wl 2 года назад

    Another cause of target panic is when you think about more than one thing at a time: Is the sight on target? Pull through to avoid that dead release. Am I engaging my back enough? Lower that front shoulder. Stand up straight. The pin is on the X, go! No, wait.
    That makes your brain have a short circuit, you jerk into a convulsion, and you have a flier. Shooting blind or at a large target helps develop good form until it becomes automatic. Eventually you focus on the center of the target and nothing else. It works for those of us who have a one track mind.

  • @kimiko6127
    @kimiko6127 5 лет назад

    " You worry yourself unnecessarily, " the Master comforted
    me. "Put the thought of hitting right out of your mind! You can be a Master even if every shot does not hit. The hits on the target is only an outward proof and confirmation of your purposelessness at its highest, of your egolessness, your self-abandonment, or whatever you like to call this state. There are different grades of mastery, and only when you have made the last grade will you be sure of not missing the goal.''
    ― Eugen Herrigel, Zen in the Art of Archery

  • @renatugaming5730
    @renatugaming5730 3 года назад

    for compound shooter, often you will experience yourself punching the trigger of your release aid or not trusting your sight pin float and let the arrow fly once you get the pin onto the target instead of taking more time. You may also experience abnormal shaking and physically and mentally not being able to finish your shot.

  • @nikohk56
    @nikohk56 2 года назад

    Very instructive. Thanks.

  • @davidholmes2858
    @davidholmes2858 5 лет назад +1

    GREAT session. I see I need a session with a coach if I can find one.

  • @Teevsgild
    @Teevsgild 5 лет назад +8

    How much for private lessons? I love how you teach!

  • @draygontaygen677
    @draygontaygen677 5 лет назад

    I started with 1ltr milk bottles, aim small miss small. It's a great way to learn the hunting side of archery. Target shooters can also use this to relax and have fun while they are training. Give it a try 😊 It can take away the tension a small target can bring to some archers. Have fun 😊😊😊

    • @TheCrimsonAtom
      @TheCrimsonAtom 5 лет назад

      I find a piece of scrapped note is much easier to shoot at then a massive 122CM target that is the size of the entire canvas.

  • @MentalmenteHablandoconDannyK
    @MentalmenteHablandoconDannyK 4 года назад +2

    Thanks for the psychology session ;)

  • @MrEye4get
    @MrEye4get 5 лет назад +1

    I definitely have this issue. I've been practicing about 2-3 times (90-120 minutes) a week for three months. My shot placement at 20 yards is tighter, but groups spread 4 about inches. Once I am at full draw, peep and sight aligned, I am still really unsteady getting the pin over the target. I do find if I keep my eyes open through the shot helps.

  • @beandip007
    @beandip007 5 лет назад

    I just overcame this problem, mine was losing my anchor as I shoot with the crawl and starting hitting my face a ton with the string. I have now re-found my anchor and can continue to improve.

  • @nicholasstephenson573
    @nicholasstephenson573 5 лет назад +2

    My issue seems to be that I can't bring my bow on target, despite the fact that I know where it should be in my sight picture. It always seems to be way above the target, and draw weight does not effect the outcome. Anyone have any suggestions?

  • @eliaalhaddad3781
    @eliaalhaddad3781 3 года назад

    Great videos! just wanted to ask what kind of wood do you have back there? as the target background.

  • @joedaniels4646
    @joedaniels4646 3 года назад

    I'm new to this, your teaching videos are awesome & help a lot!

  • @serhiiromaniuk2431
    @serhiiromaniuk2431 5 лет назад

    Another way to deal with it it to turn around your target. In that way, you could be quite confident you won't hit the same spot in the shield (better applicable to 18m FITA targets)

  • @TheCrimsonAtom
    @TheCrimsonAtom 5 лет назад

    If you can't find your anchor point you can draw blindly, find the anchor, open your eyes,point to the target and release.

  • @agileminded7949
    @agileminded7949 4 года назад

    Another quality video, but your fans should be quiet while you are filming really, but at least they stayed off camera. I'm a late starter to archery and have found you to be very helpful. Respect.

  • @johnminnitt8101
    @johnminnitt8101 5 лет назад

    Have you ever suffered from target panic yourself, Nu? If you haven't I am very impressed by your understanding of it - the black and white bit at the beginning gave a good impression of how it feels as the mental processes freeze into panic as you come to aim and full draw.
    As you said scoring pressure has a lot to do with it - for me it didn't begin until I got to the point of expecting to be in the medals on a field shoot, rather than it being a nice bonus. I found I could no longer get back to full draw, and if I forced it there my bow hand would flinch off to the right. That was about 20 years ago!
    I shot for a long time with it, and eventually gave up. After about 8 years not shooting I started again last summer, and found it still there but weakened enough to work on.
    Blind bale is good, but blank bale I have found less useful - it is too big a step when you put any sort of target on again, even after months of blank bale shooting. A big target at very close range I have found more useful, it still removes aiming pressure, but one can reduce target size and/or increase range gradually without that sudden big change. A 60 cm face at about 10 metres is OK now, we'll see how it goes when I can get to longer ranges at the club field in the spring.

  • @PhotogNT
    @PhotogNT 5 лет назад +10

    One form of ? target panic I have seen is an inability to release the shot, I have seen both recurve and compound where the archer just seems to hold forever.

    • @TheAegisClaw
      @TheAegisClaw 5 лет назад

      Yep, usually followed by a very wobbly long rod to anyone watching. It's hard to tell yourself to come down and start over.

    • @draygontaygen677
      @draygontaygen677 5 лет назад +1

      I started with 1ltr milk bottle, aim small miss small. It's a good way of learning the hunting side of archery. And it is also a great way for target shooters to relax and have fun as they are training. Just give it a try 😊

  • @paulaprichard2346
    @paulaprichard2346 5 лет назад

    Blank bale close up,but always use a target. Work on the form,concentrating on the target and let it come to you instead of you pushing your aiming device toward it,,and follow thru on release. You intend to shoot a target,so practice with one. Blank bale closing your eyes is excellent for getting the feel of what you are doing,learning to control the weight. Score yourself on form on each shot,not the score.

  • @sylviahartley2031
    @sylviahartley2031 5 лет назад

    Target panic I feel is a fear of missing we all miss the target at times and you shouldn’t focus on the misses think process not outcome. The word can’t when shooting or any sport is not in my vocabulary I prefer to the phrase I/ you have some difficulty.

  • @garymickus6412
    @garymickus6412 5 лет назад +1

    It would be helpful to talk about clicker problems. For me I have difficulty pulling through the clicker when I’m among.

  • @ernststravoblofeld
    @ernststravoblofeld 5 лет назад

    I don't know if this is related, but I get random shots where I see the arrow curve away from the target. Often I have a great grouping where the arrows fly straight, but a couple curve away several inches. I have no idea what I'm doing differently on those shots. Any ideas?

  • @adship3501
    @adship3501 5 лет назад

    Thanks for this, has gave me some good tips to work on. I am fine at longer distance as I aim less during my shot process but it's when I come indoor and start shooting a wa18 3 spot i over aim and pick up bad habits, best way to describe it is loosing back tension during the aiming stage or shooting to the clicker and never fully transferring the weight to my back. Any feed back on this will be appreciated. Cheers thanks for the videos

  • @josephofthedodge2031
    @josephofthedodge2031 4 года назад

    know your process inside-out!!!

  • @minininja2184
    @minininja2184 5 лет назад

    I did not think the targets were that big, they seemed MUCH smaller. what kind of camera do you have?

  • @TheAegisClaw
    @TheAegisClaw 5 лет назад +1

    Personally I shoot at least as many arrows at a blank boss as I do a target. It's still impossible to transfer the group's I can get on a blank boss to a target, for me anyway. I can group on a blank boss well enough to get a theoretical 580 Portsmouth. With a face there I've never quite got 550.

  • @arjunalibhai9475
    @arjunalibhai9475 3 года назад

    I find breaking down the whole shot process into 4 second increments, I take 4 seconds to brace, draw, hold and then loose! I shoot trad, so maybe this advice is more applicable for bare bow or trad but I think this would help anyone else with target panic. Also I am self taught so this is just something I'm finding useful but take it with a grain of salt if you are being instructed to do otherwise.

  • @brighterhorizons88
    @brighterhorizons88 5 лет назад

    What if your bow doesnt have a notch or hook for the arrow to keep it in line (not talking about the part that connects the arrow to the bowstring) can you use your finger to guide it?

  • @cheesewagon85
    @cheesewagon85 5 лет назад

    Thousand yard stare... nusensei has seen some sh!t.

  • @mikhaelstibino
    @mikhaelstibino 5 лет назад

    Enlightening. Could it be this is the reason for when I loose to target -recently- I perform bad, and if I shift target to the "fake animal" (3d target) I do perform very well again?

    • @TheCrimsonAtom
      @TheCrimsonAtom 5 лет назад

      There is a massive difference between the two. I find it much easier to shoot an object rather than a paper. A target, not matter how large it is, is still a piece of 2D paper and there is nothing to catch your eye and it often drifts away to the side. In 3D the target has curves and horns and many things that are off place so you can focus on a single point without much problems because of the height/depth differences between all the target parts.

  • @aqeel77za
    @aqeel77za 5 лет назад

    Any chance of wiawis tft-g review??

  • @BIgRon2176
    @BIgRon2176 5 лет назад

    THere is an excellent book named "The Witchery of Archery"...it's hard to find.

  • @marinedebeule2579
    @marinedebeule2579 5 лет назад

    I think that I have the opposite of target panic. I can easily shoot on a sheet of paper (5 on 5 cm) at 18m and have all my arrows in it. But when I shoot on a regular target (trispot or 40cm) I can be completely next to it (I still do good points but it's not as grouped as on the sheet of paper). Does anyone have some advices ?

  • @CadillacDvlConcours
    @CadillacDvlConcours 5 лет назад

    Thorin Oakenshield shoots at your club?!

  • @andersoni.7472
    @andersoni.7472 5 лет назад

    A women in my city (keep in mind it’s really small) is an Olympic archer. Don’t know her name though...

  • @eraproductions9923
    @eraproductions9923 5 лет назад

    so basically don't kill every one or kill everyone ?

  • @MM0IMC
    @MM0IMC 5 лет назад

    Blind butt shooting sounds very therapeutic, till I heard all the distracting background sounds of the shared sports facility...

  • @misterpayah7723
    @misterpayah7723 4 года назад +1

    10:26 Soooo relatable!!

  • @tjj4lab
    @tjj4lab 5 лет назад +9

    “Although I can’t miss this target at this distance”
    I can count at least 4 suspiciously arrow sized holes in the wall behind the boss. Coincidence?

    • @hairutheninja
      @hairutheninja 5 лет назад +7

      We dont know for sure that hes the only one who shoots inside the clubs shed...

    • @mikhaelstibino
      @mikhaelstibino 5 лет назад +1

      Ahahahahaha

  • @ghnna
    @ghnna 5 лет назад

    remind me of how kyudo practitioners shoot...

  • @kkhalifah1019
    @kkhalifah1019 4 года назад

    Target 'panic' is a misnomer. More like target SNAFU.

  • @BIgRon2176
    @BIgRon2176 5 лет назад +1

    Aim Small Miss Small

  • @eraproductions9923
    @eraproductions9923 5 лет назад

    frier tuck wouldn't even get into this debate

  • @Mindy_T
    @Mindy_T 4 года назад +1

    Ahahah true... I shoot barebow and it happens than I do 5 golds in a row and I panic at the very last one to get it right aaaaand missed 😂🤣😂🤣😂 FFF*******KKK!!! 😂🤣😂

  • @hypnotourist
    @hypnotourist Год назад

    Targets can get Chuck Norris panic.

  • @anonymousshawn9996
    @anonymousshawn9996 5 лет назад +2

    Haha, that "BirdBox" reference

  • @paulaprichard2346
    @paulaprichard2346 5 лет назад

    I have

  • @uncleremus5046
    @uncleremus5046 3 года назад +1

    Separate the Aim & focus on the back end of the shot. Terry Wunderle taught this years ago. Your sight or sight picture should never be a reason to shoot! Aiming is only 1 part of the Sequence & extremely overrated.

  • @ari_870
    @ari_870 5 лет назад

    remind me of Anime Tsurune

  • @tom5505
    @tom5505 5 лет назад +1

    If you panic you get a premature release
    ..heh