Another great installment in the series, and an impactful one because it doesn't shy away from talking about the heart-wrenching failures and does not sweep them under the rug or pretend they never happened.
16 seconds in ..I already LOVE this...! JPL are the successful blending of IT Network geek and steely eyed Systems Integration Engineer. Hail to JPL. ! I love you. I dream sometimes that I tried harder in Mathematics and Physics, so that I could work at JPL.... Alas... That didn't happen, so I as most am an enthusiastic viewer of the BEST people to bring about the exploration of our Solar System..! Thank you..!
Human beings will do anything outside except for turning inward and completely still the mind without any thoughts. What have these people achieved? Immortality? Helped them uncover secrets of life? Nothing. I'm not disrespecting them but science is only one side of the coin, only few of us make an attempt to see the other side, many of us don't even believe that there is other side to that coin.
Impressive. Good lessons for all of us. I retired from JPL in 1996. The last project I worked on was Cassini. I'm glad it worked so well. Not all of my projects did.
This is a lesson for life not to be cheap because, on the end, you'll pay double price. Such a great work by all who worked hard to accomplish impossible. We are humans after all.
I applaud JPL for their amazing work. And for their bravery in producing this bare all documentary. Every industry experiences failures. What you do next is the measure to judge by. Personally, I would be happy to be the lady working in the cafeteria just to say 'I too work at JPL'. Thanks.
Especially when they have, at this time, 1.13 million subscribers. I believe the majority of the population is more interested it entertainment and, what I call "now pleasure", than truth or what is really happening or has happened on more of a reality sense - unfortunately.
Exceptional documentary. Such accounts allow us to take the true measure of the extraordinary scientific and engineering accomplishments achieved by these dedicated people, accomplishments which nowadays almost look routine as they follow one another. Coordinating such projects in all their complexity is no small feat, and anyone involved in such management, from any side of it, funding, etc., will find this document invaluable.
Excellent presentation. I was in Tasmania, online with my dial-up internet connection, eagerly following each update of the MPL, hoping against hope that the next contingency would come through.
As a system architect I just don’t understand how anyone who has previously been involved in challenging and complex projects could ever believe in “Faster, Better, Cheaper”. This video did little to shine light on that particular piece of these failures. But cudos for attempting to shine a light on your own mistakes and learning from them rather than, well you know, the alternative.
One word I can talk about this video is shear "Beauty" Failure is not an option, but without it, there wouldn't be appreciation for the things that we have achieved... Experiments which were done in Space have been used one way or the other for the people on Earth, but experiences we have gained is far greater than Space Exploration itself. Space has taught us to appreciate life on Earth and its ecosystem. When we begin our journey to far of planets we would learn even more and evolve into an interplanetary species. The people in this video are so lucky to be in the forefront of Space exploration.
Great documentary... Worth displaying in high-level administration and management courses. Big achievements are not composed of pieces of all-pure-success, as "big" implies wrestling with numerous risks and unknowns. No risk is immune from failure. This is not a case for blaming, as proper lessons are extracted and appropriate steps taken for final progress. Also, gives place for a number of valuable examples of team spirit, leadership, technical challenge, responsibility, etc. Congratulations...
As I went along with them watching their journey, I felt real frustration and anger at the loss of the mission, the bureaucracy of all of the last minute instruments that were proposed to be added to the space craft, and how much hard work and dedication was lost to something as simple as metric conversion. I CANNOT imagine what the team at JPL or Lockheed Martin felt watching it unfold in real time. That's how you get grey hair or start losing in at an early age... lol.
I remember one day after watching the slew of documentaries on successful space missions, I wanted to see documentaries (like this one) discussing failed space missions. It sucks when it happens however, we are not perfect and we need to remind ourselves of that when people start wanting to re-adjust NASA's budget. We should expect once or twice failures occurring because what's the point of starting such a mammoth and complex task only to run away from it when we fail once or twice like in this situation. I ride or die with NASA even in their failures because the one thing I know they are very good at doing is learning from their mistakes and come back bigger and better than before. So bravo NASA/JPL for having the courage to confront and discuss what we would all like to forget but shouldn't.
Those delicate moments but Genius dared to put aside obstacles and obtain the destination, thank you for your time and effort into the great establishment of the JPL!
"Thank you for being a reliable source of information in a world filled with misconceptions. Your dedication to scientific accuracy is truly commendable. "
I personally think we all should show ALOT of respect for all the NASA teams they have achieved so much and they have ALOT more wins then they do fails let's not forget that so to all the NASA teams you get a big 👍🇬🇧
I love NASA.. 🤘❤👍 I remember crying of Joy each time NASA did a landing on Mars. And today, my name is on Mars because of JPL teamwork. Thank you very much NASA. As a simple Citizen, I really appreciate that.
The best part of the video is when that guy Goldin is sitting in the room waiting to be congratulated by Gore and slowly coming to the realization he’s going be the one to blame for losing both missions. Who knows what guys like him are ever thinking but the look on his face when the guy shows him the landing spot is priceless.
Well, I assume this documentary is an approved documentary to come out of NASA. If that is true, then for NASA, to put this damning self assessment out in public view is remarkable. I guess such assessment can only lead to improvements. It is, indeed, a well produced piece. I tip my hat to NASA.
After Dan Goldin wasting millions then retiring on guaranteed millions to live on? I don't tip my hat to him or casani. They should have been fired with no retirement.!
I'd say that NASA is one of the most transparent bureaucracies in the world, so, in a way, it's to be expected. Conspiracy theorists, etc. who think NASA are the gatekeepers of all knowledge don't necessarily think so. Haha. Though, they're not _entirely_ transparent about just what a lunatic Dan Goldin was as NASA Administrator.
I tried listening to this while I napped… I got anxiety and a racing heart relieving all these problems. I remember those failures and disappointments. FBC… what a waste that could have been avoided.
Looking forward to seeing this. Please make a playlist of just videos and not Q&As because that’s what I like to watch as I loved the changing faces of Mars and voyagers etc *AND FOR GOD SAKE GIVE THEM THE FUNDING FOR MORE VIDEOS/DOCUMENTARIES* because they’re the main reason me and many others are here now!!! ❤🇬🇧🇺🇸🇦🇺🏴🇨🇦🇺🇦🇳🇿🇪🇺☮️🇳🇿🇺🇦👍🇨🇦🏴🇦🇺🇺🇸🇬🇧
Imagine a documentary on the military black projects! Trillions of dollars on science unknown to the public and the advancement it would bring to all human kind.
If any of these people spent any time with an aerospace contractor, this "faster better cheaper" mantra coupled with a promised work force reduction would be all too familiar to them. When things start to go wrong with the new (imposed) managerial plan, they always send for people like Goldin to play the "grim reaper" to tell them they'd better get with the plan or else. A very familiar pattern.
I haven't watched the entire video, yet, but I'm sure I will. The music is a bit comical in the opening minutes; more appropriate for a 1960s video than for the late 1990s being covered. 44:20 - Hey, hey, we're the 'in-crowd'. In my fondest dreams, I'd be one of those people. 46:47 - That's not peanuts they're passing around, it's a big bottle of Tums Antacid. 1:12:29 - The blame game looks squarely at Lockheed Martin, not JPL or NASA. Units specified but not adhered to. 1:29:43 Wasn't it a little bit LATE for NASA Administrator Dan Goldin to realize the complexity of the mission? 1:35:17 Root cause, lack of funding. It's truly astounding that, with the chances that were taken, we went through the entire Project Apollo with no more casualties than the Apollo I ground test in 1967. I'm going to have to watch the rest of this JPL and the Space Age series! For anyone bored enough to have gone through my post, I'm 69 years old. I remember Project Mercury onward. I witnessed the last three Apollo launches from the Cape vicinity, as well as a couple Shuttle launches. I'm an old space fan. And, Elon Musk is a freakazoid! No reflection on SpaceX...he's not the genius behind that endeavor, just a money guy without common sense.
Pushing the teams to their breaking points, just like pushing the spacecrafts to their breaking point was and is a good strategy you need to know your limits not just technical but also organisational limits to get the most done.
The one thing people don't realize realize it might have been expensive but the technology that came out of that has helped every person on this planet in 1 way or another Imagine how more advanced we might be If They continue to work At it Might have come up with something to solve our energy crisis
Great, great documentaries. I am absolutely fascinated about robotic missions in our solar system, and beyond!!!What is next, landing a man on Mars???Landing a man on Venus???
There's a quote from Hamming, that "mistakes are inevitable, finding them is imperative". Everyone in engineering faces the chance of failure due to mistakes, and we're responsible to search out and prevent all of them that we can find.
If you think about it, costs go down when you employ standardization. Perhaps, if we go for standardization in space ships, propulsion units, air supply, water purification, and many other components of space travel, the per unit cost will drop significantly. Do not reinvent the wheel over and over again.
Absolutely loving these documentaries! Ed Stone's directorship of the lab spanned its most difficult time, surely. Love that guy. And does JPL hire acousticians? I'm less than a year away from my PhD ... hire me, pretty please.😜
Great vid! Thanks! I am stunned that the U. S. STILL uses the imperial system! I vividly remember as a kid while on an interstate, seeing a brown mileage sign (usually green), that had miles and kilometers. So it was attempted. But...never saw again. Get with the rest of the world and get smart! Go metric!!!
Faster, Better, Cheaper sounds like the rhetoric Boeing spun me for years (had 25 years Boeing Quality Assurance), now look at them................the name Boeing has been dragged through the mud because of profit and cost cutting of quality.
I was waiting (and kind of dreading) for this part of the story. I use it regularly to explain why going metric just makes sense and the US is just weird to hold out on that.
The use of either measurement system would have worked just fine, had everybody involved, stuck with one specific measurement system. Quit pretending the specific use of imperial measurements was the sole reason for the mission's failure. I can just as easily say metric was the cause, if we're playing by the same rules...
@@codymoe4986 the fact that their society still uses imperial units is clearly the source of this whole problem. You can blame it on the contractor or quality control as much as you like, but it wouldn't have happened if the whole society went with the times and just taught metric in school.
@@gabsrants It’s unreal how anyone could possibly blame this on a country that has a different measure system. How does your society whatever it is measure worth in currency? In Dollars? Pounds? Euros? Yen? If someone trades 4 pounds for 4 dollars and gets less than equal value is it the country’s fault for using a different currency? We have to account for these different measures because we don’t live in a perfect world.
Hi here at NASA we send incredible technology into space but when it comes to making videos on earth we can not figure out how to turn up the audio levels on our videos
So I'm a nurse and not a engineer but I was surprised Lockheed went with an asymmetrical design for the orbiter. I saw a documentary about Lockheed and they really stressed how important it is that your plane weighs the same on both sides. Almost makes you wonder if it was a simple design flaw and they made sure it balanced but JPL wasn't there to explain what happens when you escape gravity. Same with the mathematical error. Both sides were incredibly competent but weren't talking to. eachother.
If you take no risk you risk no failure. But you gain little in the way of success. The only way to find out where the edge of the envelope really is to break it.
These kind of films are very important. And this one especially. To know how to do something great, you should learn how to fail. Just not to fail too many times :-)
Goldin in 1992 on time and budgets: "There's a sense of "all we have to do is get it working and launch it and all is forgiven" - Hopeless. That will never. occur. again". JWST would like a word!
Very interesting Documentary I knew about the mix up and failure What amazed me is that this was completely caused by management, but when investigating and applying fixes it is not said out loud that management, not engineers, caused this As an engineer I face this at my company (post covid) today, where every problem is due to engineers and not managements insistence on bigger faster cheaper PS: is this not the same reasons for losing both space shuttles…?
Years ago a probe was sent to mars, I believe, that landed cushioned by some massive airbags. THAT, in my opinion,was very cool. Apparently, it was inadequate in some way. Now this.
“Those 2 missions to Mars will be on my back , I don’t care “. Quote from JBL and NASA Private industry should be monitoring government agencies not the other way around. Huge cost overruns , long delays and I don’t care pretty much sums it up along with no one can be fired . Wow !
The discovery of alien life is highly anticipated by most Americans. Many of us, believe that someone, somewhere, knows more than they’re publishing. When the reality of the executive branch’s cover-up of the great exopolitical questions - the phenomena of extraterrestrial life and extraterrestrial vehicles - comes to light to the general public, we all know that NASA & JPL will be the first to get questions. “How could you miss alien activity out there? How could you not know?” These documentaries establish plausible deniability that incoming accurate data about our solar system over the past few decades, and of Mars in particular, in the form of new NASA/JPL missions, were and are completely at the mercy of congress, budgets, the USSR, public opinion, and other public factors. These documentaries establish a plausible deniability of any *active* cover-up *within* the institutions of NASA & JPL. I hope that NASA & JPL will be, in the post-disclosure age to come, amongst the more forthright and honest institutions. I hope that accurate data was misreported because of these extraneous public factors that influence NASA’s space programs, not because of a covert directive from higher levels of government. I hope, that it was all an honest mistake; and if it wasn’t, I hope that NASA & JPL are honest about it, and soon. Because, these institutions represent too many good men & women, to not treat the most important revelation in human history with some modicum of honesty & public trust.
The metric/English issue raised it's head with impacts.... I was trained in 2012 as an aerospace assembly mechanic... all units were English system that is a standard of American airplane building... not the PC metric system that many other disciplines have adopted... Lockheed Martin, Boeing and so on build aircraft, the standard in aircraft parts is uniform to measurement system for safety and compatibility... it is interesting that my 1969 F250 and my 1980 Honda civic have interchangeable parts... same fuses, same headlights, same windshield wipers and so on... wouldn't even expect that in modern cats and trucks... A cultural measurement difference cost NASA/JPL big time.... but by finding out about reason for failure... it becomes a cautionary tale...
It's funny how the US was one of the original signatories of the Treaty of the Metre - an agreement to use the metric system - yet persists with a cumbersome and clunky, antiquated system for solely political reasons from the Revolutionary War. It's probably time to move on ... ;)
The Colorado Department of Transportation tried the Metric System for a short time, then went back to feet, inches, Yards, and Miles, lbs, tons, psi, etc. The number of errors related to conversions was excessive.
It's like anything in science and engineering when you push the limits...... Mistakes happen. It's how you deal with the mistakes going into the future that will define how we are remembered. Using Hydrogen as a fuel for the SLS mainly because of a government mandate as a example.
JPL.. town hall meetings..SNL ..open access to the press..director like a regular guy?? How do I sign up? Plus it’s close to home..where do I send my app?
the next time you're at a party with planetary exploration scientists, try this knock-knock joke: "Knock-knock!" "Who's there?" "Beagle-2!" "Beagle-2 who?" [first person pretends not to hear, hopefully the straight man repeats the last line a few times...] {joke so dark it got lost in the shadow of a planet}
NASA = NAHHSSEE FROM OPERATION PAPERCLIP. WE HAVE NEVER BENBEN TO MARS WE HAVE BENBEN TO THE MOON ONLY ONCE USING STOLEN ALIEN TECH WE KNOW ABOUT THE BENBEN STONE AND THE MOON SHOT TRAP. YOU PEOPLE ARE PURE EVIL INCARNATE !!
Another great installment in the series, and an impactful one because it doesn't shy away from talking about the heart-wrenching failures and does not sweep them under the rug or pretend they never happened.
16 seconds in ..I already LOVE this...! JPL are the successful blending of IT Network geek and steely eyed Systems Integration Engineer. Hail to JPL. ! I love you. I dream sometimes that I tried harder in Mathematics and Physics, so that I could work at JPL.... Alas... That didn't happen, so I as most am an enthusiastic viewer of the BEST people to bring about the exploration of our Solar System..! Thank you..!
Human beings will do anything outside except for turning inward and completely still the mind without any thoughts. What have these people achieved? Immortality? Helped them uncover secrets of life? Nothing. I'm not disrespecting them but science is only one side of the coin, only few of us make an attempt to see the other side, many of us don't even believe that there is other side to that coin.
These JPL documentaries are so great, thank you!
Impressive. Good lessons for all of us. I retired from JPL in 1996. The last project I worked on was Cassini. I'm glad it worked so well. Not all of my projects did.
Thanks for your service to space exploration Sir.
Wow ! I can only dream of such an opportunity! Thank you for your service as we all know the data captured was absolutely amazing!!!! Thank you!!!!!!
This is a lesson for life not to be cheap because, on the end, you'll pay double price. Such a great work by all who worked hard to accomplish impossible. We are humans after all.
I applaud JPL for their amazing work. And for their bravery in producing this bare all documentary. Every industry experiences failures. What you do next is the measure to judge by. Personally, I would be happy to be the lady working in the cafeteria just to say 'I too work at JPL'. Thanks.
i so agree with you, i watched the perserverance doc that was amazing, i wanted to be the guy that breaks up rocks to simulate the mars landscape lol
I LOVE JPL documentaries. I think I have seen them all now I just wish there were some more recent ones.
It's pretty wild that this feature length documentary about one of the premier science organizations in the USA has under 600 views
Says a lot about the collective cranium of the country…
I've loved every JPL video I've watched. The trials and tribulations. The challenges. The achievements. And especially...the people.
Yt has squashed free use. I dont think you understand how bad this is. I used to get 6+ hours of free use documentaries PER DAY.
Especially when they have, at this time, 1.13 million subscribers. I believe the majority of the population is more interested it entertainment and, what I call "now pleasure", than truth or what is really happening or has happened on more of a reality sense - unfortunately.
@@ShawnRitch It doesn’t really help that it a somewhat obscure corner of youtube. They should push this stuff out on more platforms.
Exceptional documentary. Such accounts allow us to take the true measure of the extraordinary scientific and engineering accomplishments achieved by these dedicated people, accomplishments which nowadays almost look routine as they follow one another. Coordinating such projects in all their complexity is no small feat, and anyone involved in such management, from any side of it, funding, etc., will find this document invaluable.
Can't wait for the premiere! These documentaries are really great.
Excellent presentation. I was in Tasmania, online with my dial-up internet connection, eagerly following each update of the MPL, hoping against hope that the next contingency would come through.
Mistake makers that pick themselves up, learn from those mistakes, and make PROGRESS! Learning is what makes us great inventors.
As a system architect I just don’t understand how anyone who has previously been involved in challenging and complex projects could ever believe in “Faster, Better, Cheaper”.
This video did little to shine light on that particular piece of these failures.
But cudos for attempting to shine a light on your own mistakes and learning from them rather than, well you know, the alternative.
doesnt faster, better, cheaper work quite well in a environment where oneoffs arent a thing and testing is cheap aka not this
One word I can talk about this video is shear "Beauty" Failure is not an option, but without it, there wouldn't be appreciation for the things that we have achieved... Experiments which were done in Space have been used one way or the other for the people on Earth, but experiences we have gained is far greater than Space Exploration itself. Space has taught us to appreciate life on Earth and its ecosystem. When we begin our journey to far of planets we would learn even more and evolve into an interplanetary species. The people in this video are so lucky to be in the forefront of Space exploration.
Great documentary... Worth displaying in high-level administration and management courses. Big achievements are not composed of pieces of all-pure-success, as "big" implies wrestling with numerous risks and unknowns. No risk is immune from failure. This is not a case for blaming, as proper lessons are extracted and appropriate steps taken for final progress. Also, gives place for a number of valuable examples of team spirit, leadership, technical challenge, responsibility, etc. Congratulations...
JPL documentaries are always immaculate.
Goldin is an example of a leader that pushed NASA far back by decades.
As I went along with them watching their journey, I felt real frustration and anger at the loss of the mission, the bureaucracy of all of the last minute instruments that were proposed to be added to the space craft, and how much hard work and dedication was lost to something as simple as metric conversion. I CANNOT imagine what the team at JPL or Lockheed Martin felt watching it unfold in real time. That's how you get grey hair or start losing in at an early age... lol.
I remember one day after watching the slew of documentaries on successful space missions, I wanted to see documentaries (like this one) discussing failed space missions. It sucks when it happens however, we are not perfect and we need to remind ourselves of that when people start wanting to re-adjust NASA's budget. We should expect once or twice failures occurring because what's the point of starting such a mammoth and complex task only to run away from it when we fail once or twice like in this situation. I ride or die with NASA even in their failures because the one thing I know they are very good at doing is learning from their mistakes and come back bigger and better than before. So bravo NASA/JPL for having the courage to confront and discuss what we would all like to forget but shouldn't.
Such a dark, sad time, but JPL has been spectacular since...MER rovers, Curiosity, Percy, Cassini, etc.
Those delicate moments but Genius dared to put aside obstacles and obtain the destination, thank you for your time and effort into the great establishment of the JPL!
"Thank you for being a reliable source of information in a world filled with misconceptions. Your dedication to scientific accuracy is truly commendable.
"
I personally think we all should show ALOT of respect for all the NASA teams they have achieved so much and they have ALOT more wins then they do fails let's not forget that so to all the NASA teams you get a big 👍🇬🇧
There is no failure if you learn from it and over come it. Failure is part of the learning, engineering, building and application processes. Science!❤
it seems like human are and always will be mistake makers.. We are such perfectly imperfect creatures living in a imperfectly perfect world.
Good series. Look forward to many more.
Can't really thank JPL enough for this series.
The head of Nasa's comments are very valid. You cannot have stunning science without failure.
And more so, yeah mistakes were made "So what???"
I love NASA.. 🤘❤👍
I remember crying of Joy each time NASA did a landing on Mars. And today, my name is on Mars because of JPL teamwork.
Thank you very much NASA. As a simple Citizen, I really appreciate that.
The best part of the video is when that guy Goldin is sitting in the room waiting to be congratulated by Gore and slowly coming to the realization he’s going be the one to blame for losing both missions. Who knows what guys like him are ever thinking but the look on his face when the guy shows him the landing spot is priceless.
That's what happens when you put accountants ahead of engineers. I hope the board at Boeing are watching.
I remember this time. Great to see the details of it. 👍
rip to mr stone. seen him in a few docs, great person and very smart. great doc too
Well, I assume this documentary is an approved documentary to come out of NASA. If that is true, then for NASA, to put this damning self assessment out in public view is remarkable. I guess such assessment can only lead to improvements. It is, indeed, a well produced piece. I tip my hat to NASA.
After Dan Goldin wasting millions then retiring on guaranteed millions to live on? I don't tip my hat to him or casani. They should have been fired with no retirement.!
I'd say that NASA is one of the most transparent bureaucracies in the world, so, in a way, it's to be expected. Conspiracy theorists, etc. who think NASA are the gatekeepers of all knowledge don't necessarily think so. Haha. Though, they're not _entirely_ transparent about just what a lunatic Dan Goldin was as NASA Administrator.
Amazing information, thanks for share 💯🌎🙏
I tried listening to this while I napped… I got anxiety and a racing heart relieving all these problems. I remember those failures and disappointments. FBC… what a waste that could have been avoided.
Looking forward to seeing this. Please make a playlist of just videos and not Q&As because that’s what I like to watch as I loved the changing faces of Mars and voyagers etc *AND FOR GOD SAKE GIVE THEM THE FUNDING FOR MORE VIDEOS/DOCUMENTARIES* because they’re the main reason me and many others are here now!!! ❤🇬🇧🇺🇸🇦🇺🏴🇨🇦🇺🇦🇳🇿🇪🇺☮️🇳🇿🇺🇦👍🇨🇦🏴🇦🇺🇺🇸🇬🇧
Here you go: www.jpl.nasa.gov/who-we-are/documentary-series-jpl-and-the-space-age
When you are scared of failure, you dont reach your dreams. If you are scared of chance, you never see the options..
During that era at JSC we low level workers had a saying: "Better, Faster, Cheaper, pick any two".
Reminds of an age old axiom, you can have it better, cheaper or faster...but you can't have all three.
Great documentary. Also incredible to see Dan Goldin fearlessly contradict himself.
Imagine a documentary on the military black projects! Trillions of dollars on science unknown to the public and the advancement it would bring to all human kind.
If any of these people spent any time with an aerospace contractor, this "faster better cheaper" mantra coupled with a promised work force reduction would be all too familiar to them. When things start to go wrong with the new (imposed) managerial plan, they always send for people like Goldin to play the "grim reaper" to tell them they'd better get with the plan or else. A very familiar pattern.
I haven't watched the entire video, yet, but I'm sure I will.
The music is a bit comical in the opening minutes; more appropriate for a 1960s video than for the late 1990s being covered.
44:20 - Hey, hey, we're the 'in-crowd'. In my fondest dreams, I'd be one of those people.
46:47 - That's not peanuts they're passing around, it's a big bottle of Tums Antacid.
1:12:29 - The blame game looks squarely at Lockheed Martin, not JPL or NASA. Units specified but not adhered to.
1:29:43 Wasn't it a little bit LATE for NASA Administrator Dan Goldin to realize the complexity of the mission?
1:35:17 Root cause, lack of funding.
It's truly astounding that, with the chances that were taken, we went through the entire Project Apollo with no more casualties than the Apollo I ground test in 1967.
I'm going to have to watch the rest of this JPL and the Space Age series!
For anyone bored enough to have gone through my post, I'm 69 years old. I remember Project Mercury onward. I witnessed the last three Apollo launches from the Cape vicinity, as well as a couple Shuttle launches. I'm an old space fan. And, Elon Musk is a freakazoid! No reflection on SpaceX...he's not the genius behind that endeavor, just a money guy without common sense.
Pushing the teams to their breaking points, just like pushing the spacecrafts to their breaking point was and is a good strategy you need to know your limits not just technical but also organisational limits to get the most done.
The one thing people don't realize realize it might have been expensive but the technology that came out of that has helped every person on this planet in 1 way or another Imagine how more advanced we might be If They continue to work At it Might have come up with something to solve our energy crisis
If you've ever worked for a major corporation, you know exactly where Donna Shirley 42:00 is coming from.
Great, great documentaries. I am absolutely fascinated about robotic missions in our solar system, and beyond!!!What is next, landing a man on Mars???Landing a man on Venus???
Another great doco of jpl.
There's a quote from Hamming, that "mistakes are inevitable, finding them is imperative". Everyone in engineering faces the chance of failure due to mistakes, and we're responsible to search out and prevent all of them that we can find.
Awesome documentary
If you think about it, costs go down when you employ standardization. Perhaps, if we go for standardization in space ships, propulsion units, air supply, water purification, and many other components of space travel, the per unit cost will drop significantly. Do not reinvent the wheel over and over again.
Bold documentary 😅 well done JPL 🎉
Absolutely loving these documentaries! Ed Stone's directorship of the lab spanned its most difficult time, surely. Love that guy. And does JPL hire acousticians? I'm less than a year away from my PhD ... hire me, pretty please.😜
The latest rover being dropped on mars wouldn't be if it wasn't for failures and lessons learned. Well done.
man on t moon
Great vid! Thanks! I am stunned that the U. S. STILL uses the imperial system! I vividly remember as a kid while on an interstate, seeing a brown mileage sign (usually green), that had miles and kilometers. So it was attempted. But...never saw again. Get with the rest of the world and get smart! Go metric!!!
Loved it! Thanks!
Faster, Better, Cheaper sounds like the rhetoric Boeing spun me for years (had 25 years Boeing Quality Assurance), now look at them................the name Boeing has been dragged through the mud because of profit and cost cutting of quality.
Superb documentary
"don't be afraid of failure". Take a note from these guys book and "Expect it".
I was waiting (and kind of dreading) for this part of the story. I use it regularly to explain why going metric just makes sense and the US is just weird to hold out on that.
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The use of either measurement system would have worked just fine, had everybody involved, stuck with one specific measurement system.
Quit pretending the specific use of imperial measurements was the sole reason for the mission's failure. I can just as easily say metric was the cause, if we're playing by the same rules...
P.S. How is the US a hold out on switching to metric, when it's own space agency uses that measuring system, as evidenced by the video above?
@@codymoe4986 the fact that their society still uses imperial units is clearly the source of this whole problem. You can blame it on the contractor or quality control as much as you like, but it wouldn't have happened if the whole society went with the times and just taught metric in school.
@@gabsrants It’s unreal how anyone could possibly blame this on a country that has a different measure system. How does your society whatever it is measure worth in currency? In Dollars? Pounds? Euros? Yen? If someone trades 4 pounds for 4 dollars and gets less than equal value is it the country’s fault for using a different currency? We have to account for these different measures because we don’t live in a perfect world.
Boy it must be a special thing to get to talk to Ed Stone. Wish I could.
Loved the red rally hats when the spaceship made Mars orbit.
Hi here at NASA we send incredible technology into space but when it comes to making videos on earth we can not figure out how to turn up the audio levels on our videos
Just fell a little short fellas. No shame. Still awesome. Its all part of the story. Small moves sparks.
Impressive, as an engineer I can totally relate.
Why all the cost-cutting and austerity?
There is nothing that deserves more funding than space exploration
So I'm a nurse and not a engineer but I was surprised Lockheed went with an asymmetrical design for the orbiter. I saw a documentary about Lockheed and they really stressed how important it is that your plane weighs the same on both sides. Almost makes you wonder if it was a simple design flaw and they made sure it balanced but JPL wasn't there to explain what happens when you escape gravity. Same with the mathematical error. Both sides were incredibly competent but weren't talking to. eachother.
Being asymmetrical is not a problem, Mars Odyssey orbiter is also asymmetrical and it worked fine
If you take no risk you risk no failure. But you gain little in the way of success.
The only way to find out where the edge of the envelope really is to break it.
These kind of films are very important. And this one especially. To know how to do something great, you should learn how to fail. Just not to fail too many times :-)
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Wish NASA would include the year of production in the video title - just makes it easier to know which content really is 'NEW' and which .... isn't.
I think the audio level is kept low on this video just to make the dramatic vents louder.
Crazy how smart these folk are 😮 🙏🤔
Loved it!
Goldin in 1992 on time and budgets: "There's a sense of "all we have to do is get it working and launch it and all is forgiven" - Hopeless. That will never. occur. again". JWST would like a word!
Very interesting Documentary
I knew about the mix up and failure
What amazed me is that this was completely caused by management, but when investigating and applying fixes it is not said out loud that management, not engineers, caused this
As an engineer I face this at my company (post covid) today, where every problem is due to engineers and not managements insistence on bigger faster cheaper
PS: is this not the same reasons for losing both space shuttles…?
Years ago a probe was sent to mars, I believe, that landed cushioned by some massive airbags.
THAT, in my opinion,was very cool.
Apparently, it was inadequate in some way.
Now this.
Failure today, is necessary for finding solutions to future problems.
Also, when you have an idea, find at least one person to challenge that idea. The more challenges the better.
Interesting content
“Those 2 missions to Mars will be on my back , I don’t care “. Quote from JBL and NASA Private industry should be monitoring government agencies not the other way around. Huge cost overruns , long delays and I don’t care pretty much sums it up along with no one can be fired . Wow !
the way they gobbled up those Peanuts, you'd have thought they'd been through a Matter Transference beam.
Had we adopted the metric system this would have been avoided. Just one cost of an expensive mistake for the USA.
The discovery of alien life is highly anticipated by most Americans. Many of us, believe that someone, somewhere, knows more than they’re publishing. When the reality of the executive branch’s cover-up of the great exopolitical questions - the phenomena of extraterrestrial life and extraterrestrial vehicles - comes to light to the general public, we all know that NASA & JPL will be the first to get questions. “How could you miss alien activity out there? How could you not know?” These documentaries establish plausible deniability that incoming accurate data about our solar system over the past few decades, and of Mars in particular, in the form of new NASA/JPL missions, were and are completely at the mercy of congress, budgets, the USSR, public opinion, and other public factors. These documentaries establish a plausible deniability of any *active* cover-up *within* the institutions of NASA & JPL. I hope that NASA & JPL will be, in the post-disclosure age to come, amongst the more forthright and honest institutions. I hope that accurate data was misreported because of these extraneous public factors that influence NASA’s space programs, not because of a covert directive from higher levels of government. I hope, that it was all an honest mistake; and if it wasn’t, I hope that NASA & JPL are honest about it, and soon. Because, these institutions represent too many good men & women, to not treat the most important revelation in human history with some modicum of honesty & public trust.
Nice mixing old with the new🙂
respect!
The metric/English issue raised it's head with impacts.... I was trained in 2012 as an aerospace assembly mechanic... all units were English system that is a standard of American airplane building... not the PC metric system that many other disciplines have adopted... Lockheed Martin, Boeing and so on build aircraft, the standard in aircraft parts is uniform to measurement system for safety and compatibility... it is interesting that my 1969 F250 and my 1980 Honda civic have interchangeable parts... same fuses, same headlights, same windshield wipers and so on... wouldn't even expect that in modern cats and trucks... A cultural measurement difference cost NASA/JPL big time.... but by finding out about reason for failure... it becomes a cautionary tale...
It's funny how the US was one of the original signatories of the Treaty of the Metre - an agreement to use the metric system - yet persists with a cumbersome and clunky, antiquated system for solely political reasons from the Revolutionary War. It's probably time to move on ... ;)
The Colorado Department of Transportation tried the Metric System for a short time, then went back to feet, inches, Yards, and Miles, lbs, tons, psi, etc. The number of errors related to conversions was excessive.
Read:
Managing Martians
by
Donna Shirley, NASA Ret.
The Boss!
May God Bless and Protect!
J.C.
It's like anything in science and engineering when you push the limits......
Mistakes happen.
It's how you deal with the mistakes going into the future that will define how we are remembered.
Using Hydrogen as a fuel for the SLS mainly because of a government mandate as a example.
JPL.. town hall meetings..SNL ..open access to the press..director like a regular guy?? How do I sign up? Plus it’s close to home..where do I send my app?
the next time you're at a party with planetary exploration scientists, try this knock-knock joke:
"Knock-knock!"
"Who's there?"
"Beagle-2!"
"Beagle-2 who?"
[first person pretends not to hear, hopefully the straight man repeats the last line a few times...]
{joke so dark it got lost in the shadow of a planet}
I know nothing about rocket science but why did Lockheed Martin use the imperial system? I would have assumed industry standard was metric.
Interesting that the craft was done in by metric and imperial measurements.
So how did the craft even make to Mars?
They should be getting better at this NOT WORSE !!!
Great management. Goldin. We need more leadership lke yours. Bravo NASA!
Testing a management system to destruction during zero-fail missions is ridiculous
My wifes sister Linda was hanndling travel for the employees at JPL
Subtitle: The Dibertification of NASA or Corporate Yes Men Destroy Everything
NASA = NAHHSSEE FROM OPERATION PAPERCLIP.
WE HAVE NEVER BENBEN TO MARS
WE HAVE BENBEN TO THE MOON ONLY ONCE USING STOLEN ALIEN TECH
WE KNOW ABOUT THE BENBEN STONE AND THE MOON SHOT TRAP.
YOU PEOPLE ARE PURE EVIL INCARNATE !!
So it goes.
Wait…. Is this the same narrator as the guy who did the Mass Effect codex? 😲🤔