My guess is the Steve ban and increased view rate than average can “prove” something but Umebera 10 with a Steve and MiYa grand finals still had more views than LMBM so I still don’t get the videos point
So the title asks a question about Ultimate dying but the entire video was just a review of a few matches from an LMBM tournament? How does that follow? What’d I miss.
For the last stock in grands, Sonix actually believed he had a checkmate on Tweek, however if you look closely as Sonix executed his homing attack, Tweek jumps back just enough for Sonic to launch himself in the blastzone without touching Diddy. A risky play that showed insanse awareness from Tweek.
Sonix and tweek actually talk about that interaction on GOAT talk. Since they constantly train with each other on wifi Tweek was aware of what would happened if Sonix missed and went for a jump towards the blast zone because of it
@@Scumxixxxsorta? But it’s mainly due to half of the original top players and smash personalities were ousted as predators. Most people online literally joke about smash players being predators, the general masses hate the community for the last 3 years. Meaning it’s harder for the community to grow with this nasty connotation
I definitely agree that the Smash community has an ongoing issue with misogyny/ really gross people who for one reason or another “get a pass”. But I think just pinning it all on the allegations made in 2020 feels a bit disingenuous, especially since we’re almost 4 years removed. Personally I know I distance myself from the local Ultimate scene but that’s more or less for…. hygienic reasons.
It shows nothing imo. In how many games every months there's someone saying the game is finished in 2 years ? And how many times these people are wrong ?
Tbh a decent ranked system and would help a lot at satisfying both new and old players, it seems so simple and I don’t know why Nintendo refuses. Add rollback too? You’d definitely get tons of players back.
And let me remove the buffer system Ultimate employs. It's so arbitrary and kills all muscle memory for all other games. Ultimate could be cool and they got all the hard stuff right, just add a simple ranked system, rollback and lemme disable the awful buffer system and we've got a fantastic game on our hands. ... And ban steve.
Not dying but in a retirement home waiting for the next game to put it out of its misery. Like watching that cloud sonic clip gave me bayo stall flashbacks
I just love how the commentators of WTT just didn't care Sonix and Spargo just stood there. "Yeah but remember we didn't like those guys, we like THESE guys." Love that Sonix is still respected for all the work he puts in, even tho I would still much rather watch the more fast-paced matchups.
To be fair, they werent intentionally collaborating to stall. Sonix was stalling because he actually figure that a lower time on the clock would give him a better chance to win. I mean if he can start the game with like 3 min on the clock for example, he's more likely to win than if it was 7. So stalling at 0% is actively beneficial for him. Sparg0 im honestly not sure why he was waiting tbh. But the point is, the gamestate was actually advancing since sonix was actively gaining an advantage the longer the clock ticked down. The whole lima vs zack situation that wasnt the case. They were stalling just for the hell of it because they could. There was no advantage to either player at all for stalling.
I love that you included those stats about Steve. The problem with this character is not and has never been Acola, or any of the Steve players that come close to matching his performance. The problem is how difficult to counter he is at lower levels of competitive play.
the problem is people not learning the matchup and how to catch him off guard like never letting him mine and avoiding the same block formations, then sending death threats to kids who play him.
@@freddiesimmons1394 that really doesn't have anything to do though. Nowadays you have the benefit of hindsight but back(and for a long while) the general concensus was that steve was meh, couple that with no tournamets because covid and steve not immediately taking over once tournaments that actually come back and it's no suprise Steve took so long to get banned.
@@milesedgeworth6353 "back then" as in... before people thought he should be banned? The yelling from the rooftops about it went on for a long long time
@@freddiesimmons1394 but then again, that yelling wasn't exclusive for Steve only, Joker had it, Hero had it, same with Kazuya and most importantly Aegis had it. I wanna highlight Aegis in particular because unlike Steve, Aegis actually had the performance back then as she immediately rose up the ranks in tournaments and had a bunch of top players that instantly switched to her, this at a time where Steve had already been in the game for a few months now. Yelling that a character is Banworthy isn't enough, you also need results to back that kind of statement up. And in Steve's case those results were never there from the beggining, heck you can even make an argument for them not being there just yet. As far as the top level of smash goes, the only ones truly affected by such ban would be Acola and Onin, this in stark contrast to melee where almost every top player was playing Fox at some point and let's not even get into Brawl and Smash4.
I mean i think smash as a whole is slightly on a decline with more TO’s and events dropping, and it’s definitely never gonna be the same as 2022 and earlier after VGBC unintentionally drove Panda out. It’s why Luminosity picking up Max and Joe was so important since it’s strengthening another TO. Also steve bans are just gonna make acola more dominant in NA during supermajors, so if that’s what people want, then i guess that’s what we’re getting
Rivals 1 was and still is good, and it didn't keep anyone from playing worse plat fighters. They don't want a better game, they just want to play what esports tells them to play.
sure but just like i didnt want to play rivals 1 cuz it was 2d and didnt look appealing, R2 looks way better and they're improving from R1 and im actually willing to try it and i hope R2 gets popular so we dont have to deal with nintendo @@pacothemajestic
Doesn't have to be merely but it has to be combo Centric with some ofd stage flair And every smash game since has either be defensive or about the nutral game more so
Crazy opinion, please read: We need PCs like aegis, cloud, watch, fox to save the game: -Camper pjs like sonic or steve can be rushed, which speeds up the game -They give a high reward, but they run the risk that a mistake will be expensive due to poor recovery or low weight. - Also PCs like Samus help the meta, since they force you to interact, Samus has the risk of being floaty and something big so you catch her and she eats things, but she forces you to get closer or she kills you
We need a statistical analysis of entrants per tournament to end this endless "is smash dying" debate. No subjectives ideas on how fun are top 8. But are people still coming to tournaments to enjoy the game ?
this video made me smile so much !! LMBM truely made me get my hype back for Ultimate. I can't wait to see more videos like this from other tournaments
MkLeo and Skyjay were super hype at LMM, Acola/Miya is always a hype rivalry and having Gluto in the mix was sick. I think Steve bans are dramatic and only hurt the NA players, but both tournies were fun, regardless! Ult's fine, people are just bored with no patches. News of a new game for Switch2 (whatever its called) would be sick though!
Also, can't wait to see your stuff on a second channel! I follow melee n ult, so both vids are fun for me! Saw your reasoning in another comment and wanna say good luck! (:
Nintendo Killed it by lack of support, a hatred for the competitive community and unbalanced and broken characters along with shitty online peer to peer play
You nailed it, this video didn't hit any points and only talked about the competitive scene which is small compared to the casuals. This game would have kept going and grow if the online wasnt 12 to 16 frames of delay.
Man it’s so fun watching some of the least fun characters make every single top 8 lmao. It’s never going away and it’s certainly not helping the game thrive.
Yeah Lets make big moves was the first ult tourny ive watched in while and its funny how i actually looked up many matches i missed. But yeah its not fun watching steve ever. didnt even realize he was banned at first but makes sense why it was a fun tournament lol
I’m convinced we could just remove 5-6 characters from the game and the meta would be enjoyable again. I’m not arguing that these characters are overpowered, but that removing by them would improve the game. Steve, Sonic, GnW, Kazuya, Minmin, Aegis. Again, not saying these characters are too strong or unbalanced, but that they are uniquely harmful to the viewing and playing experience. Unless these characters fall off(unlikely) or we ban them, a decent amount of major top 8s will look like WTT.
In my opinion, Aegis is decently fun, Kazuya is goofy in a good way, Min Min and G&W have really hype top representatives, Steve is sometimes cool because of all the options he has at his disposal and Sonic is entertaining in a few specific matchups. I don't think spectator entertainment is a good reason to ban or not ban a character, but if I did, the character that I would ban in an instant is Snake. One he's boring, and two I always feel like the opponent has to utterly outplay the Snake player to have a chance at winning. Statistically, Steve is harder to deal with(and should probably be banned because of that), but it doesn't feel that way when I watch Snake so it's frustrating.
Pretty much everyone saying the game is dying is the same people who over reacted to new unlicensed tournament rules that games like Street Fighter and Tekken already had. These are the same people who threw there hat in with vgbc in attempting to create a monopoly over the na scene without licence, or are in bed with these people now. These are the same people who protect anyone they like from accusations while allowing anyone who wasn't in there clique to get throw under the bus dispite being falsely accused. These are the same people who have been pulling this entitled pile of poop routine for nearly 20 years., and everyone had had it. NA smash is dying because no one wants to get kneecapped by a bunch of blacklisted idiots who will gladly destroy the entire scene if they are not going to have the lions share.
where's the duality of smash ultimate? is the game dying or not? why is this video actually a review of the big moves tournament? what are you talking about? have I been clickbaited?
I was fully expecting you to in some way compare Umebura and LMMM rather than just a video gassing up Tweek's run at LMMM. Honestly it wasn't the kind of quality I expected from you.
Lets not shit ourselves, its SMASH. Smash will never truly die no matter what. Ultimate tournaments still exist, Melee meta is still going strong, and even more obscure communities like the Brawl community are still thriving.
Yes, smash is dying, if multiple people think it is, the community is not great, steve, sonic and to some extent the majority of the top teirs are an absolute cancer for their complete lack of weaknesses and forcing passivity from the sheer amount of pressure these characters create is just not good. It doesn't help that bandai namco can't be assed trying to fix the characters that are far better than all other characters
It's not our fault because Ultimate is repetitive and every matchup is predetermined on the startup screen. Unlike Smash Melee had possibility in every move, stupid shit like Ganondorf could actually be good because your technical ability mattered.
Just clicked this video and I can already tell its the same hopium bullshit with "no the game isn't dead its still fun! steve and DLC arent ruining the game!" YES the game is dying don't listen to these RUclipsrs saying bullshit about the game 😂 (Edit dude clickbaited minus points dislike!)
Put the DLCs out the tournaments in general. We seen how carried they all are. Aegis carried, Kazuya, Terry, Steve and the rest of the DLC. Play without them, and gosh have fun
I just dont think smash should just ban steve, we've seen many fighting games have that have *the one broken top main* like chun-li in third strike, magneto from MVC2 and they didnt resort to banning the character but rather imbracing these absolute monsters. The steve ban for me just feels like the most sour "No-Fun zone" i have ever scene in any competitive fighting game and no the argument that "its not fun to play against steve" is very surface level as you can say that about fighting any character in any game. And by watching some competive could nutral b spam or sonic spindash i still dont see why steve was the straw that broke the camels back to some people.
Melee player and viewer base has been on the rise for the last decade, cope some more my guy. Your brand new Smash games will never compare, and the community will never have that grassroots base to help it stand on its own legs.
Yes, smash ultimate is dying. Just like smash 4 it's coming to a close mostly to DLC and other things I don't care about. The game was kinda overrated anyways.
The double standards are insane tbh nobody has a problem with cloud back air because Sparg0 gets special protection from criticism unlike everyone else
I think it’s because sparg0 is way more interesting to watch. While cloud does spam back air he does much more and a lot of things that he goes for are very hype and fun to watch
So what does a round-by-round breakdown of a single New York tournament have to do with the question of "is Ultimate dying?"
My guess is the Steve ban and increased view rate than average can “prove” something but Umebera 10 with a Steve and MiYa grand finals still had more views than LMBM so I still don’t get the videos point
@AbstractVen0m that's because Japan has a generally larger viewbase who cares more about their region.
@AbstractVen0m that's because Japan has a generally larger viewbase who cares more about their region.
The people forwarding that idea have nothing to offer. It's just doomsaying bc they don't like certain characters.
That's an excuse and a bald assertion, because to date absolutely zero evidence of viewership issues has been provided. @@hunbi1875
disappointed this wasn't a video essay when the title, thumbnail, and intro set up for that.
Cry about it
yeah i quickly got bored from the video
So the title asks a question about Ultimate dying but the entire video was just a review of a few matches from an LMBM tournament? How does that follow? What’d I miss.
I assume its to make the video more appealing to watch, since just labelling it as a recap is less exciting. Wish it was more upfront regardless
It's just bullshit honestly
People will pass on anything through click bait. Start using the don't recommend channel button. Is very useful to get rid of these wanna be tabloids.
clickbait, pandering to haters, doomsaying is an addiction
Get a load of these guys
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For the last stock in grands, Sonix actually believed he had a checkmate on Tweek, however if you look closely as Sonix executed his homing attack, Tweek jumps back just enough for Sonic to launch himself in the blastzone without touching Diddy. A risky play that showed insanse awareness from Tweek.
Sonix and tweek actually talk about that interaction on GOAT talk. Since they constantly train with each other on wifi Tweek was aware of what would happened if Sonix missed and went for a jump towards the blast zone because of it
Looks like Tweek started his Barrels, which makes Diddy drop. He did the same thing to Ken and caused homing attack to miss the same way
How do you even know sonix believed he had a checkmate on tweek, Lmfao
@@rnelly0001 He said it himslef on GOAT Talk podcast. It thought Tweek didn't have his 2nd jump which tweek used to avoid homing attack
Just like in the Sonic Adventure games, nothing costs Sonic harder than a botched Homing Attack to fling the hedgehog to his death.
Glad to see another good ult channel. You've got some super good talent in Jazara and Jakal-- can't wait to see what y'all come up with.
Rister mice is also good too
The fact that you even need too make this video shows that yes, the game is slowly dying and in my own opinion, the community killed it
Characters killed it
@@Scumxixxxsorta? But it’s mainly due to half of the original top players and smash personalities were ousted as predators. Most people online literally joke about smash players being predators, the general masses hate the community for the last 3 years. Meaning it’s harder for the community to grow with this nasty connotation
I definitely agree that the Smash community has an ongoing issue with misogyny/ really gross people who for one reason or another “get a pass”. But I think just pinning it all on the allegations made in 2020 feels a bit disingenuous, especially since we’re almost 4 years removed. Personally I know I distance myself from the local Ultimate scene but that’s more or less for…. hygienic reasons.
Tbf people talked exactly like this about Melee too and that game is still alive and well
It shows nothing imo. In how many games every months there's someone saying the game is finished in 2 years ? And how many times these people are wrong ?
After seeing this tournament, I can confirm that ultimate is better without Steve
Tbh a decent ranked system and would help a lot at satisfying both new and old players, it seems so simple and I don’t know why Nintendo refuses. Add rollback too? You’d definitely get tons of players back.
And let me remove the buffer system Ultimate employs. It's so arbitrary and kills all muscle memory for all other games.
Ultimate could be cool and they got all the hard stuff right, just add a simple ranked system, rollback and lemme disable the awful buffer system and we've got a fantastic game on our hands.
...
And ban steve.
Because it isn't financially worth it. Ultimate sold millions without these systems, there's no point in adding them.
Adding roleback essentially means making a new game.
It needs to be coded in thr base engine of the game early
@@SirMaloraknot everyone plays melee
Not dying but in a retirement home waiting for the next game to put it out of its misery. Like watching that cloud sonic clip gave me bayo stall flashbacks
I just love how the commentators of WTT just didn't care Sonix and Spargo just stood there.
"Yeah but remember we didn't like those guys, we like THESE guys."
Love that Sonix is still respected for all the work he puts in, even tho I would still much rather watch the more fast-paced matchups.
The irony of Sonic having slow matchups always cracks me up
yeah mad respect towards the commentators, just wish this respect was afforded to Steve players as well lol
To be fair, they werent intentionally collaborating to stall. Sonix was stalling because he actually figure that a lower time on the clock would give him a better chance to win. I mean if he can start the game with like 3 min on the clock for example, he's more likely to win than if it was 7. So stalling at 0% is actively beneficial for him.
Sparg0 im honestly not sure why he was waiting tbh.
But the point is, the gamestate was actually advancing since sonix was actively gaining an advantage the longer the clock ticked down. The whole lima vs zack situation that wasnt the case. They were stalling just for the hell of it because they could. There was no advantage to either player at all for stalling.
speculation @@eragon78
@@eragon78 I think Sonix was just triggered at the moment and needed a second to cool off, the match continued normally after that
I love that you included those stats about Steve. The problem with this character is not and has never been Acola, or any of the Steve players that come close to matching his performance. The problem is how difficult to counter he is at lower levels of competitive play.
I like those stats too. The same situation happened in smash 4 with Bayonetta where low level players were picking her up and dominating their locals.
the problem is people not learning the matchup and how to catch him off guard like never letting him mine and avoiding the same block formations, then sending death threats to kids who play him.
Shoulda done bans a long time ago. So frustrating
They tried it with hero early meta remember? Met with tons of controversy and in the end ot wasnt warrrented
@@Matanumi hero and steve are not remotely the same, argumentwise or power
@@freddiesimmons1394 that really doesn't have anything to do though. Nowadays you have the benefit of hindsight but back(and for a long while) the general concensus was that steve was meh, couple that with no tournamets because covid and steve not immediately taking over once tournaments that actually come back and it's no suprise Steve took so long to get banned.
@@milesedgeworth6353 "back then" as in... before people thought he should be banned? The yelling from the rooftops about it went on for a long long time
@@freddiesimmons1394 but then again, that yelling wasn't exclusive for Steve only, Joker had it, Hero had it, same with Kazuya and most importantly Aegis had it. I wanna highlight Aegis in particular because unlike Steve, Aegis actually had the performance back then as she immediately rose up the ranks in tournaments and had a bunch of top players that instantly switched to her, this at a time where Steve had already been in the game for a few months now. Yelling that a character is Banworthy isn't enough, you also need results to back that kind of statement up. And in Steve's case those results were never there from the beggining, heck you can even make an argument for them not being there just yet. As far as the top level of smash goes, the only ones truly affected by such ban would be Acola and Onin, this in stark contrast to melee where almost every top player was playing Fox at some point and let's not even get into Brawl and Smash4.
I mean i think smash as a whole is slightly on a decline with more TO’s and events dropping, and it’s definitely never gonna be the same as 2022 and earlier after VGBC unintentionally drove Panda out. It’s why Luminosity picking up Max and Joe was so important since it’s strengthening another TO.
Also steve bans are just gonna make acola more dominant in NA during supermajors, so if that’s what people want, then i guess that’s what we’re getting
hopefully rivals 2 is really good when fully released and we dont have to be at the mercy of old ass nintendo, seems like the only solution
Rivals 1 was and still is good, and it didn't keep anyone from playing worse plat fighters. They don't want a better game, they just want to play what esports tells them to play.
sure but just like i didnt want to play rivals 1 cuz it was 2d and didnt look appealing, R2 looks way better and they're improving from R1 and im actually willing to try it and i hope R2 gets popular so we dont have to deal with nintendo
@@pacothemajestic
This channel is just what Ultimate needs right now!
Its a good game, but its just not Melee
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk
Doesn't have to be merely but it has to be combo Centric with some ofd stage flair
And every smash game since has either be defensive or about the nutral game more so
I love melee...but ultimate has a fantastic character selection
8:10 love all that emotion in tweek's face when he's playing XD
Crazy opinion, please read: We need PCs like aegis, cloud, watch, fox to save the game:
-Camper pjs like sonic or steve can be rushed, which speeds up the game
-They give a high reward, but they run the risk that a mistake will be expensive due to poor recovery or low weight.
- Also PCs like Samus help the meta, since they force you to interact, Samus has the risk of being floaty and something big so you catch her and she eats things, but she forces you to get closer or she kills you
Sonix throwing for content lmao hope the channel goes well, Walt!
Thank you so much!
I remember streaming and watching the grand finals and my deception when Sonix SD-Ed it was so hype
Great video but it didnt talk about what the title suggested
We need a statistical analysis of entrants per tournament to end this endless "is smash dying" debate. No subjectives ideas on how fun are top 8. But are people still coming to tournaments to enjoy the game ?
*"The Wii Fit defeated Stroder and Balls Grab."* 🤣🤣😅😅🗿🗿💀💀
Clickbait title. Video almost had nothing to do with the game dying or not bruh
0:02 hey that’s me! ☺️
Dude I loved this. I took a break from the scene for a bit and this was an amazing recap
Thank you for the excellent coverage!
SkyJays crew battle performance alone was enough to get the Ultimate hype going again
You know it's bad when we must consider diddy kong cool 😅
this video made me smile so much !! LMBM truely made me get my hype back for Ultimate. I can't wait to see more videos like this from other tournaments
MkLeo and Skyjay were super hype at LMM, Acola/Miya is always a hype rivalry and having Gluto in the mix was sick. I think Steve bans are dramatic and only hurt the NA players, but both tournies were fun, regardless!
Ult's fine, people are just bored with no patches.
News of a new game for Switch2 (whatever its called) would be sick though!
Also, can't wait to see your stuff on a second channel! I follow melee n ult, so both vids are fun for me! Saw your reasoning in another comment and wanna say good luck! (:
Nintendo Killed it by lack of support, a hatred for the competitive community and unbalanced and broken characters along with shitty online peer to peer play
You nailed it, this video didn't hit any points and only talked about the competitive scene which is small compared to the casuals. This game would have kept going and grow if the online wasnt 12 to 16 frames of delay.
This right here
Steve ban was fun to see at a major, absolutely loved it and I'm now 200% convinced it should happen
Won’t happen in Japan though, so good luck for Tweek to get to top spot whilst not having experience against Steve
@@sharkronical Japan is not a respectable region. It only has respectable players.
@@justice8718😂
@@ABC-ik9vj Did you laugh because it was true?
@@justice8718 Japan being the best region in ult hurts you that much?
Man it’s so fun watching some of the least fun characters make every single top 8 lmao. It’s never going away and it’s certainly not helping the game thrive.
Yeah Lets make big moves was the first ult tourny ive watched in while and its funny how i actually looked up many matches i missed. But yeah its not fun watching steve ever. didnt even realize he was banned at first but makes sense why it was a fun tournament lol
I’m convinced we could just remove 5-6 characters from the game and the meta would be enjoyable again. I’m not arguing that these characters are overpowered, but that removing by them would improve the game. Steve, Sonic, GnW, Kazuya, Minmin, Aegis. Again, not saying these characters are too strong or unbalanced, but that they are uniquely harmful to the viewing and playing experience. Unless these characters fall off(unlikely) or we ban them, a decent amount of major top 8s will look like WTT.
In my opinion, Aegis is decently fun, Kazuya is goofy in a good way, Min Min and G&W have really hype top representatives, Steve is sometimes cool because of all the options he has at his disposal and Sonic is entertaining in a few specific matchups.
I don't think spectator entertainment is a good reason to ban or not ban a character, but if I did, the character that I would ban in an instant is Snake. One he's boring, and two I always feel like the opponent has to utterly outplay the Snake player to have a chance at winning. Statistically, Steve is harder to deal with(and should probably be banned because of that), but it doesn't feel that way when I watch Snake so it's frustrating.
@@legrandliseurtri7495no snake is hype. Nobody complaining about snake for a reason
because nobody plays snake lol @@judithforever9494
Youre gifted Walt never stop making dope content man
Ah dammit Walt you got me on this one. Clicked and decided to stay
Shout out to TWEEEEEEEEEEEEEK (and Walt for the amazing content on such a consistent basis)
Pretty much everyone saying the game is dying is the same people who over reacted to new unlicensed tournament rules that games like Street Fighter and Tekken already had. These are the same people who threw there hat in with vgbc in attempting to create a monopoly over the na scene without licence, or are in bed with these people now. These are the same people who protect anyone they like from accusations while allowing anyone who wasn't in there clique to get throw under the bus dispite being falsely accused. These are the same people who have been pulling this entitled pile of poop routine for nearly 20 years., and everyone had had it.
NA smash is dying because no one wants to get kneecapped by a bunch of blacklisted idiots who will gladly destroy the entire scene if they are not going to have the lions share.
where's the duality of smash ultimate? is the game dying or not? why is this video actually a review of the big moves tournament? what are you talking about? have I been clickbaited?
I was fully expecting you to in some way compare Umebura and LMMM rather than just a video gassing up Tweek's run at LMMM. Honestly it wasn't the kind of quality I expected from you.
Does this thumbnail imply that Diddy Kong is any cool?
i still think about the counter that lost spargo that losers finals set, brutal
great video man, i like you recapping the majors. i hope you do more vids like this
Idk if I'd call Diddy cool, but this video was cool and so is Walt and this top 8 was a breath of fresh air
Diddy is sick in this game. After the snoozer of S4 and Brawl Diddy, I'll take ultimate Diddy any day
@@salemmetal6433 idk if I'd call Diddy sick
@@salemmetal6433 He's pretty defensive still in ult, but at least he actually plays the game and interacts with the opponent.
yo mean he's spends 80% of the time just spawning in bananas for cheap tricks?@@eragon78
Lets not shit ourselves, its SMASH. Smash will never truly die no matter what. Ultimate tournaments still exist, Melee meta is still going strong, and even more obscure communities like the Brawl community are still thriving.
tweek is so good, hope he can keep the momentum.
Underrated smash tuber?!
I’ll at least comment, boost th Chanel a little bit
Only reason Steve doesn't do better is that the best players aren't lame enough to play him.
How is MKLeo not considered one of the four horsemen?
Yes, smash is dying, if multiple people think it is, the community is not great, steve, sonic and to some extent the majority of the top teirs are an absolute cancer for their complete lack of weaknesses and forcing passivity from the sheer amount of pressure these characters create is just not good. It doesn't help that bandai namco can't be assed trying to fix the characters that are far better than all other characters
Update the stage list, fix the game.
All good things come to an end, even for smash ultimate…
I wonder what would happen if everyone liked, commeted, and subcribed 😮
That would be so crazy fr
It's not our fault because Ultimate is repetitive and every matchup is predetermined on the startup screen. Unlike Smash Melee had possibility in every move, stupid shit like Ganondorf could actually be good because your technical ability mattered.
Its sad he didn’t use sephiroth even once but can’t blame him honestly
Just clicked this video and I can already tell its the same hopium bullshit with "no the game isn't dead its still fun! steve and DLC arent ruining the game!"
YES the game is dying don't listen to these RUclipsrs saying bullshit about the game 😂
(Edit dude clickbaited minus points dislike!)
A tourney winner that isn’t Steve or Sonic? Yes please.
Put the DLCs out the tournaments in general. We seen how carried they all are. Aegis carried, Kazuya, Terry, Steve and the rest of the DLC. Play without them, and gosh have fun
I just dont think smash should just ban steve, we've seen many fighting games have that have *the one broken top main* like chun-li in third strike, magneto from MVC2 and they didnt resort to banning the character but rather imbracing these absolute monsters. The steve ban for me just feels like the most sour "No-Fun zone" i have ever scene in any competitive fighting game and no the argument that "its not fun to play against steve" is very surface level as you can say that about fighting any character in any game. And by watching some competive could nutral b spam or sonic spindash i still dont see why steve was the straw that broke the camels back to some people.
NEW CHANNEL HYPE
The only thing I’ll take away from this video is that the game is more fun without the boring characters.
Sonic died as he lived, anticlimactic.
Common Waltimus Maximus W
It’s crazy how Leo used to be the greatest ever, and now he’s just one of many top players.
Joker counterplay developed
they should ban more than just steve. low tier exclusive tournaments would be fun
I love Competitive ult so this channel is great, thanks man
To be honest i just watch ULT for sisqui lmao
Melee is more dead since the meta is so typical and boring
Maybe but melee won’t die when the next smash comes out (also people are a lot more chill online)
Melee player and viewer base has been on the rise for the last decade, cope some more my guy. Your brand new Smash games will never compare, and the community will never have that grassroots base to help it stand on its own legs.
melee is trash@@TJlolbagger
banning steve is great and all but really all they had to do was use an actually balanced stagelist
Amazing video! Got my sub
Might be called turn down but I turn it up for the goat
You make great recaps
Well, diddy is lame, what are you talking about?
Every Item character is
Melee died 16 years ago and people still play that shit
i just started 😭
The game set the community up to fail IMO lol
Haven't watched yet but Diddy Kong is definitely not "cool" lol.
I love steve gameplay, pyra/mythra is FAR worse and unbalanced
Yes, smash ultimate is dying. Just like smash 4 it's coming to a close mostly to DLC and other things I don't care about. The game was kinda overrated anyways.
Competive might be.... Smash itself isn't. At all.
stupid click bait..
Treating characters like problems for the scene with zero justification: L
What about any of this has to do with ultimate dying? I don’t know if i missed something or what, but this video seems kinda unnecessary to the topic.
Very nice vid!
game bad
melee
How u gonna say it’s dying after the last majors we just had lol
Lame title, cool video
I hope so
The double standards are insane tbh nobody has a problem with cloud back air because Sparg0 gets special protection from criticism unlike everyone else
I think it’s because sparg0 is way more interesting to watch. While cloud does spam back air he does much more and a lot of things that he goes for are very hype and fun to watch
Tweek got that fraud lol
first acceptable clickbait lol well done
Yeah but I go to locals so we good
Ultimate is dying, that's why I believe everyone who plays Ultimate will jump to Rivals 2 on release lol.
Sorry guys its dying because i just bought the game 😞
Yes.
Yes