@@WetMagic Lol. I definitely agree with some of these but battle wizard just has a high skill curve. You have to know how to play her and honestly I don’t think it’s hard to learn, I’ve been playing battle wizard foe 4 days now and I’m mostly always the highest in damage.
The Outcast Engineer DLC is so weird. It's not a career dlc, it's a "turn ranger vet into a fucking god" dlc and you also happen to receive a new career on the side.
I wish the outcast engineer didn't need to rely on so much support from his teammates to be good. It's just a really hard class to play properly for not enough pay-off. Agreed that the ranger vet is amazing with the new revolver. He is everything the engineer wishes he could be.
Something to add to Unchained for team support. Get the talent which explodes burning enemies, get the talent that reduces the damage of burning enemies by 30%, get the talent which gives your ult a fire aura. And use the coruscation staff. You're still a melee power house but now you offer a shit ton of crowd control and buff the whole team by reducing the damage of every enemy by a significant margin. I've been playing her this way for a while and it's very effective at succeeding runs.
@@danny_decheeto8300 i've been rolling with repeater pistol/rapier bounty hunter in legend and cata for over 2 years, its honestly good fun and clutch asf at times
I just realy enjoy seeing ranger vet up there, he was kind of a meme for the longest time, not because he was bad or anything, but because he was nerfed EVERY major patch. In our group we called him the evernerfed for that. Luckily that bullshit has stopped.
Yeahhh I still think iron breaker should be s tier with trollpedo cuz if you get headshots restore ammo and shoot into a horde making sure to aim for the head you can get pretty good crowd damage as well as elite and boss damage. plus cog hammer is OP and if u want mobility u can use dual hammers instead.
I wouldn't call Zealot's movement speed talent a 'meme' when you consider how much it helps for fighting multiple chaos warriors at once, or multiple mixed hordes, since you can just move backwards really fast and keep doing power attacks while the enemies struggle to reach you even with their running attacks.
Honestly used to hate playing Hand Maiden. But I got talked into it by a random I meant one time and given some good pointers on a build and omg I fell in love with it. I think its also not as loved as its harder to figure out a good build if you don't know what your doing with it
@@WetMagic What is moonfire (is that something I don't have?) because I her best range weapon for me is the longbow for elite and stuff. (tho may be it a PC only thing.)
Salty main here, personally I think your description on zealot is spot on. My favorite class to play but a bad team makes it infuriating some times (or RNG during CW). Easy A tier or easy C tier. Split the middle. Personally I think bounty hunter should be A tier. Rapier using half stamina for push block attacks makes him tanker than most people think, also easy to make space for ranged attacks, especially with added stam, block cost reduction, and stam regen. And the griffin foot pistols are soo fun and good to use, plus monster damage, definitely not S tier but I think he's deserving of low A at least. Regardless, Great video! No real complaints
Been using unchained with a Flame Sword + talent that heals for staggers. I legit never die with Unchained Sienna. She can regen up to 10-15hp per hit sometimes. It’s actually insane, she can built temporary health consistently throughout the entire match. Coupled with her ult being a panic button it’s makes her incredibly hard to kill while spamming heavy attacks with flame sword.
both above replies are absolutely wrong - fire sword battle wizard is arguably her strongest choice and what makes her effectively a tank as well as an obscene horde clearer and boss killer. fire sword heavy 1 spam is absurdly safe because of how hard it staggers and how wide its swing is, and the thp generation is so stupid that if you ever do take hits it barely matters.
@@Armendicus The trick is to get a rhythm where you don't fully charge your heavy attacks. You're not hitting for damage, you're doing heavy attacks for the staggers and the temp HP. Your team can kill the enemies all you have to do is keep the horde staggered and use ur ult if the team needs you to.
Simply not receiving passive healing from waystalker or grail knight would be huge for zealot. Surely it could be bundled into some of his talents, perhaps the THP generating talents, so that if you're doing some weird off meta shit and want healing for some reason you can just take heal share. Even a sanctioned mod that does it would be great.
@@theStamax you shouldn't. It benefits 3/4 of the characters, which is more important than the one character who purposely relies on being more "vulnerable"
How is Ironbreaker not S tier? He’s like a short fat armored librarian because when you have him in the party you’re for sure getting out of there with with at least one tome or grim.
I dig the list and it seemed like each placement was well thought out, I even learned a thing or two like WHC's passive working for the whole team. If I had to wine about something it would be to point out that the shade doesnt just separate from the team, her constant cycle of invisibility is dumping her share of the agro on the remaining three team members. While ranger does this a bit as well, his at least comes with a knock back and can be buffed to also provide the temp health and attack speed to the rest of the group along with not happening nearly as often. I am pretty sure their would have been a riot if you put her any lower though lol. Also, the new elf is still pretty broken OP IMO. They did nerf her strongest talent, yes, but I would argue that post nerf, it is still so strong that every other career in the game would still kill to have it. Not to mention, the rest of her kit is still super solid. I am glad they didnt nerf her to death of course, but I was expecting a tad more as an initial test.
That's my biggest complaint with invisible characters, not that they aren't good, or don't buff, or that they don't kill things. But most of the time ults are for sticky situations, and when someone or 2 players go invisible it can really fuck the other players up. Good team work or knowledge of why and when to go invisible is rarely a thing in quick play. However invisible ults are really good, just not for the players who can't lol.
As a general point of view, anything that is armour piercing and has crowd control and wide sweeps. I'm not even joking. Sword and shield may be okay, but you kill literally more enemies when you have the second and third stats. Armour piercing was also my go to from the first game. Why swing slow when you can do the same thing faster? (That's kinda why spear and shield for Kruber is poor. It's okay, but it isn't anything. Especially compared to the other stuff you get from that pack)
Besides Bounty Hunter I’m not at all disappointed with the tier list. This is my first tier video so honestly the fact that my second favorite character is the best overall makes it worthwhile
Solid tier list. I liked how you go into prettt good detail as to why you put each character where you put them. Also liked the Skyrim music in the background. Well done.
I’d honestly argue that OE is actually good in legend and up for the sheer amount of tools he can bring to support any team comp. Between his melee/ranged/mini gun, he can be kitted out to deal with literally any threat. Yes, good players can handle hordes, but the sheer horde control the mini gun confers can save a match if three disablers spawn at once, or a large patrol gets involved. And this is without even mentioning that OE has the objectively best bomb perk in the game. When on high difficulties, bombs are a rare and still exceedingly useful resource against patrols and monsters. 3x buffed up bombs with a 25% dupe chance on trinket is so damn strong. If you can get a cooperative team feeding you bombs, I think that perk becomes best in row tbh.
Sometimes horde clear via ranged is actively a detriment. You're denying your team easy temp hp, which can be what causes those types of situations to begin with. You also have to consider that the opportunity cost of playing OE is not being able to play RV who is a fantastic ranged support nowadays. He's perfectly playable on legend and cataclysm but he can sometimes cause problems, especially if the OE player has a green circle chaser mentality that just vaporizes hordes and provides no meaningful benefit to the team.
RV has a better bomb perk. I hate seeing oe in my team because he makes games not fun by killing hordes by himself. He's not an elf with a jav but still anoying.
I'd like to add that he can gain a little bit more versatility by choosing Superior Gaskets and Combined Arms talents, which help him hold his own in melee. Combined Arms boosts his melee power and synergize well with his ranged capabilities, I think that's his most important talent. Superior Gaskets allows to "forget" cranking once 4 stacks are reached and gives a +10% max attack speed bonus. Add Ablative Armour and you're not a bad melee fighter for a "pure ranged" class
i think Handmaiden should get a rework, right now i think she is way to powerful while simultaneously being tediously basic. Also great tierlist! Going into this i thought i would disagree allot more but i did not. Though i would have placed huntsman and zelot lower, while maybe pushing merc and sisterOT up a tier.
IMO Foot Knight should be higher A tier or possibly S tier. He has team support in one of the strongest(and most versatile) passives. I would argue that it is more reliable than Grail Knight since high damage reduction(or block cost) is guarantied. I would also say that he surpasses most of the S tier class in survivability. The only thing he is lacking in is his damage, which he makes up for with his incredible stagger using 2H hammer. He also has access to range which puts him leagues ahead of GK for dealing with specials. Overall, he has incredible survivability, amazing and consistent team support, and decent damage.
Tbh I personally don't really count stealth too highly due to stealth having the habit of making CW's 180ing mid overhead to your teammates because weird targeting ai. Additionally, this is well thought out, props my duderino.
As others have said, I think rn SoT is also S Tier. She just brute forces her way in there. She offers dmg and control to the team + utility via inc heal. She's also quite durable in a lot of situations. Personally, I hope they somewhat tune down her passives (the temp hp gain and the inc dmg based on enemy health), which should bring her in line.
I'd argue engineer is the worst class. The win loss rate tanks whenever there is an engineer in the party. Yes he does great damage. But he needs another player watching his but the whole game. And does he do two players worth of damage?
He's rough in a quickplay because no one really wants to do the work of protecting him. I don't blame anyone for this btw, but he at least has the potential to synergize nicely with a few characters where pyro does not and has an ult that kinda doesn't work.
I play engineer with axe and shield, secondary fire only on pistol and the perk which gives you immense stagger so you can shield bash multiple chaos warriors to the floor when using 50% extra on attacking enemies and stagger temp health.... I find I dish out shed loads of dmg and barely get downed compared to others because the mini gun is a trap design.... Use it at risk of being hit but if you're selective and use pistol for close range elites at mid range he is OP!
@@wjnovels6999 Yeah i feel the axe and shield is a must have when playing engi, it helps him with his terrible survivability and i also use that extra stagger talent which is really good for setting up his ranged weapons. I feel that engi got a whole lot better when the trollhammer got introduced which has become my preffered weapon on him as previously i felt he struggled with elites unless you used his armour piercing shots for his minigun.
Hey man, enjoying your videos. Do you mind increasing your audio gain for your videos, at the very least for your voice audio track? I just noticed that it's much lower compared to other videos on YT.
Shade is an S tier if team knows how to help her and how to let her kill big things, while help her with hordes mostly. When team annoy her moving the boss or monster around they actually hurt the ability she has to help the team killing things. So in a good team she becomes an S tier class, in a descent one she stays as A tier, with a bad team she becames a B tier because team makes her job harder.
Haven't watched the video, probably going to be great. But I'm already here to brag about the huntsman beeing to low! Just because I love the class dispite his flaws:D
BW does have one REALLY good team support thing going for her. Her ult allows her to both teleport to someone who's been downed and away again. Staggering enemies around on both uses, which allows the downed person a chance to get up without getting instantly killed aswell. Sometimes when fx. handmaiden revives, you just end up getting instantly killed because you're in the middle of a horde or there's elites doing overheads right as you get up, BW is by far the best at reviving in those situations.
Being green healed by your teamates as zaelot is just absolutly painful and I which he would be immune like you said, but sadly I think that will never happen
It's true, because in this game, once you get some health - it's nearly impossible to lose it. Never has anyone suffered more than a zealot player receiving waystalker's team healing.
To answer Unchained's staff dilemma that you had in the video, her most versatile staff would be beam staff. You can take out all specials with it using 3 power beams in quick succession, which can be done very fast, so it's not that bad once you get the hang of it. Each beam you fire this way staggers the special in place too, so you can just spam it 3 times really quickly and kill them from any distance. It's also probably her best staff to build her overcharge quickly using the shotgun mode to get that 15% extra attack speed.
Not to mention you can clear hordes solo insanely fast with beam staff. Run into a horde spamming the shotgun, pop your ult to clear overcharge (bonus points if you're using the power per enemy hit ult) then continue spamming shotgun. I've cleared out entire hordes on my own in a matter of seconds doing this. There's a lot Unchained can do that wasn't mentioned in this video and personally I don't agree with the B rating. I'd personally put her at A but to each their own.
Tbh the broken op SoT build aside i would put her in S cause of her hit Points and the 25% healing buff for every one every where even if they nerf the op build i feel like her wave and Elite management with the staff and her ult is insane
what you call an OP build? I think you talk about just her standard build becasue going by what you said - every career has OP build since there is always this one "best talents to take" build every career has.
Outcast engineer is tons of fun, but his talents and passives feel all over the place. On one hand I love the variety, on the other hand I don’t understand it. What good is having three bombs for instance? That is highly dependent on a cooperative team and RNG, why should teammates even give them to you anyways if you aren’t running a dedicated bomb loadout? That passive is already extremely flawed. Bomb passive suggestion: Instead of carrying three bombs like some sort of disgraceful loot goblin, make it where engineer can passively create his own unique bomb after a certain kill count. Think grail knight strength pots but with a dawi explosive instead. To keep things balanced why not give the bomb unique. Maybe the bomb doesn’t explode on impact, maybe the fourth talent tree can instead focus on buffing this bomb by giving unique and useful quirks. Personally I love the idea of a timed sticky bomb, we sorta have that in chaos wastes as is. Just make it more common but significantly weaker. (Before anyone questions balance for this, remember Child of the thorn or can summon *several* thorn walls and use a staff that can completely stun 90% of all enemies in the game… Giving the engineer the ability to make miniature explosives isn’t anything to sneeze at, especially since it could be made to functional as a utility item instead.) Spotter as a passive: A good idea on paper but it defeats the entire purpose of engineer. why? You want your teammates to fight in melee while **you** draw your clunky minigun and mulch bad guys. Sure +10 ranged power can be nifty, but you already have a high volume of fire. The last thing you need is more damage, what’s needed is sustainability. Ablative armor: This perk is basically needed on higher difficulties (unless you are playing with a tight knit team.) Though it’s not perfect it’s better than nothing, basically just bargain bin Barkskin. Despite its flaws I Honestly I think this should replace spotter as Engineers support passive, it should be something naturally applied to the engineer and his allies who are near him. It would greatly improve engineer and nearby teammates when things get hairy. It would naturally encourage allies to stay close to you, increase everyones survivability, an extra layer against chip damage, and gives engineer a slight durability buff without being *too* strong. I appreciate the honest assessment of the career. Definitely one of my favorites that I’ve clung to religiously since it’s release, but one that I really hope they go back and give some much needed rebalancing too.
I love playing grail knight, his sidequest bonuses scale really well and he is GREAT at oneshotting elites with an executiioners sword, also his skill does HUGE damage to bosses
I mostly agree. I didn't weight team support as heavily as you did - so with that in mind I'd drop OE to D and bump shade up. I think it's good game design that 3/5 starting classes are S tier. I think waystalker is really held back by basically being forced to take Kurnos' Reward at 30 unless you're using Moonfire or Javelins. Loaded Bow + Blood shot makes your career skill do so so much damage - and the 50% heal I'd argue is still good.
Awesome list. I like how you valued these characters. I have been loving Foot Knight lately. I thought Ironbreaker would be such a better tank, but it's just a very different tank character.
Great hammer on Iron breaker. You then gain huge damage, and crowd control. You just lose your shield, but not the worst sacrifice. Build him like a dwarf hammerer.
I built mine with normal Hammer for horde control in close combat and the Flame gun for incoming hordes and bosses. Feels so nice to whack a bunch of enemies just cutting through them, even better if his invincibility skill is on.
I hope this video won't discourage you from playing a career you like. Wet magic makes cool videos, but some things are just his opinion. There is a video on this channel wholly dedicated to criticism of the huntsman, from which it becomes apparent he just doesn't like the huntsman. Huntsman is a good class and plays well on my preferred difficulty (on legend). On cata you might have to choose meta, anything below - play whatever you want.
this is based on performanc on the highest dificulty settings and even boyond. It is not indicativ on what you should play in general. But yea they do deserve allot more love. There were allot of patches were those two were gods and maybe they will be again in the future.
I personally think that waystalker can be a great dps class and I frequently find her to be one of my favorites, especially with moon bow. Great list though. Well done.
As a salt bounty main I totally understand your placement and as I have played other characters and gotten better at them I realized how just “okay” bounty was. He’s very skill based and revolves around if the person can hit their shots and if the team is willing to play around not staggering the boss so you can get those double headshots. Awesome list and agree with it 100 percent and the fact that i don’t know much about senna as she is the only class I don’t play was interesting.
WAIT, Shade can stealth to revive a team mate, one shot bosses, save your team from patrols with chain backstabs but she's got very little in the way of team support?
Really enjoyed this, new to V2 because Darktide. Was about halfway through the video and then I realised something was wrong… You were talking Warhammer but had Skyrim music playing, too harmonious and encouraging for the grim darkness of Warhammer 😂
Next time you're being dragged away by a packmaster and Grail Knight Kruber is waddling after you at 0.5mph you should reconsider your S tier placement lol
This is a tier list for cata+, where you HAVE to rely on team mates. Being pure melee isn't necessarily a downside if you offer enough benefits elsewhere (which GK does in spades).
You put one of my 2 fav classes in D-tier and the other in S-tier haha. I LOVE Bardin's minigun and always get the most ranged kills when I play outcast engineer
Minor tip, lower the background music so that your voice doesn't occasionally get drowned out. Had to strain to hear you once or twice. Other than that, great vid.
I love my tanky boi Ironbreaker. Crowd control, drawing aggro, staggering hordes with nice big heavy swings, sniping specials. Hard to get good end game stats in Chaos Wastes but does a lot of work for the team. Guess what I'll be playing in Darktide. Yes sah! Crumpin' n slappin' silly lil' men for dah Emp'rah.
Pyromancers ult is funny because it is lore friendly, magic doesn't always work the way you want it to in warhammer - the fact it can just randomly go off in the wrong direction is a great representation of the tabletops miscast mechanic. They should definitely change it though, lorefriendly isn't always fun.
i love bounty hunter, but only issue I see with him now is on chaos wastes, when going into a chest of trials and selecting your boon, it completely resets the damage reduction talent so you have to start again, which makes the ability which doesn't cross to the next mission (there already being its other con but manageable) worse on you as half the time, your stuck at the lower side of that damage reduction, not feeling a difference. hope this does get patched though.
I feel like you underrated Waystalker, but then I also don't play Cataclysm difficulty, so maybe it has to do with that. Her special is just so versatile, in any difficult situation it solves your problems. The homing effect can get specials off allies you otherwise couldn't reach, it can just straight up kill 5 plague monks running up to your team, so many applications. It's not even really bad against hordes either, since the arrows penetrate for some reason. Press F, and chances are whatever was bothering you isn't alive anymore
Yeah, I freakin' agree with Pyromancer placement. She literally has only her career skill that saves her, and that's hardly enough. The choice is between half of pyromancer with more and also an overcharge assistance, having a somewhat good homing attack every 2 minutes with a low quality damage boost and nothing else, or having the ability to straight up avoid dying to your own overcharge. There's no contest there! Plus, I have managed to skip small parts of missions with Battle Wizard fire walk.
I would say that Unchained is A tier. You have great crowd/hord controle while using flamethrower with special ability and at the same time you can use teamsupport runes. Only bad thing about Unchained is that if you dont have your special ability charched you will explode and give like 20-30 demage to teammates. But thats just my opinion and i have only finished everything on Legend difficulty and i dont know how difficult the Cataclysm is)
I think I should mention that a Potion of Concentration combined with the Crank Gun for Outcast Engineer is insanely fun. Especially if you have the very rare gear piece that makes potions last longer. I always pack that potion whenever I play it.
I just started playing this game about a week ago when the game went free on steam and this is the exact build I run. The amount of dmg output you make is insane and you would not be surprised when you get too dmg every run
Idk why outcast engineer is always super low tier… like 3 grenades at a time, mini gun, etc he makes a great boss killer and horde slayer! I usually get top special and elite kills, great damage, etc while giving allies cover fire to do what they need to do. Honestly would put him up to B at least
Pyro getting hard slept on here. I play her consistently in Cata and she holds her ground, definitely not as much as some classes, but she can hold her own when she needs. Her ult has a mind of it's own, but the temp hp gain on ult is amazing for survivability. Mix that with dagger cleave and that thp gain, she can always stay at high health getting the extra damage buff. Her play style is a lot faster (with dagger) than other sienna classes which makes her very fun to play.
Definitely any class can be played to a fair degree of success depending on the skill of the player, but as the only career with what I consider to be a "broken" ult I can't in good faith put her above anyone. She also has too many talents that are not that useful such as: - Ride the fire wind - Martial study - Soul siphon - Exhaust She's not that far from being really good, but I would be in a favor for a bit of a rework on her and maybe some better melee options and she could be awesome.
@@WetMagic You're definetly right, I'd say many people, including myself simply use her ult as a utility for thp rather than something you can consistently rely on to hit your target, not sure why it doesn't work more similar to something like the Waystalker ult which is far more consistent imo. I do think sienna's melee options are overall lacking with a lot of focus on the staff (maybe too much, but I get what they are going for). I wish she had more melee weapons that are compelling/fun to use.
As someone who plays a lot of Kruber, I wish Grail Knight wasn't such a boring career to play as. His ult is a one click kill everything button on a ridiculously short cooldown with no nuance or skill, and his passive team buffs are not interesting or interactive. They just require you to do things that you would do anyway.
I played sienna all wrong my first times with her. I believe every character has their weapons and sienna’s dagger is the play. Seriously I run around like a coked up maniac (while I vent ) stabbing everything before they even blink. It’s like playing blood borne as I get all my health back then proceed to light everything ablaze again.
I started playing the game few days ago as Waystalker. And for now.. played arround 20 hours, no other hero could beat me at the end score list. Waystalker is just OP for many things.. Only bad vs bosses.. And just to add, friends who I play with are all maxed out and much longer in game than me. So I am shocked as they are lol
A nice one, though I disagree with some of the choices. It seems to me that by trying to take into account dmg, tankiness and support you kinda made it a tier list of versatility. A good thing, sure, but in a good team almost any character can do nicely in a right niche. Except that there will sometimes be characters that do the same thing AND something else, like with the Huntsman and Shade. However, the poor Engi plummets down because he's just too specialised for his own good. He needs protection, indeed.. however if he gets it, he melts pretty much anything that comes into range. As a Handmaiden main (somewhat transitioning to the Foot Knight, but they are pretty much the same, it's just that Kerillian is more popular so it's easier to get a team as Kruber) I always prioritise defence of a decent Engineer and I know the results they can achieve. Pyro is fun to play!.. but... yeah... Fun fact - my friend started as a Zealot main for that easy big damage gameplay, but now his hero of choice is WHC. Damage output only got greater. Btw you've forgot to mention that he has free blocks on light attacks which boosts his survivability even more. I'm currently trying the Ranger Veteran as a melee class with throwing axes, making use of his 25% power boost when out of ammo. It's.. definitely fun to try.
Do you know any tier list which separates the different roles? Like separate tier lists for boss killers, front liners, ranged elite and special killers
I use Unchained with the Bolt staff and I can pretty much carry or babysit any team through a legend run. The stun and stagger she produces is unmatched. I'm good with monsters but I do rely on bombs or areas I can block and dodge around to keep the agro.
+1 for the Oblivion Music Merc Kruber is ALWAYS S Tier... He is THE melee Horde clear class, has the best support ult in the game, all his traits lend to team play, & has good enough health to function as an off-tank. Outcast Engineer I would personally put at A tier dependant on The player; IF They can mitigate damage & Is not afraid to utilize his melee often. Slayer I will always have a soft spot for due to his absolutely obscene speed & DPS capability all the while having very viable suitability if you are dodging & able to handle the constant head shifting PERSONALLY I'd put him at A... However I can understand why you put him where you did. Hand Maiden has always been useless in my experience, only serving the speed running dicks. Where as I would put her ass in D I can thoroughly understand why so many people like her, & would rank her in such high status.
The mercenary belongs in S tier if you build him right he deal high burst damage and good crowd control and good team support with good survivability cuz of his career skill
I still believe Outcast is underrated, I've played him tons at release and learned lots of methods to keeping his high dps leading him to survive situations normally where he wouldn't, the one mission in the library finding switches? Sat on the stair top and unlimitedly spun the minigun and murdered everything while teammates got switches. (Random queue lobby btw) I agree he's slow, and has not much team synergy but he's definitely over a c in my opinion.
Haven't played alot, but I noticed that Way stalker gets really tanky when you have knifes that can "headshot" and you have the ability that gives temp hp on every headshot kill. I can't remember if that's an ability that is available to all Kerillian's careers, but it does negate the way stalker's lack of survivability.
I love how different feeling about careers we have with my friends... on the second hand we play together and can work around those things that may be lacking. :D
The only one I'd disagree with is waystalker. I'd put her at A rank, minimum. Waystalker final talent, 30% ammo regen on ult special/elite kill, works with moonfire bow. Put barrage on moonfire, and it can also deal a fair bit of boss damage. I've been running it for quite a while now, and I'm absolutely in love with it. With how fast WS can regen her ult too, I think she might be the best special killer in the game too.
Surprised you put Huntsman so low. Top damage, innate ammo sustain, sustainable DR and access to stealth, shield weapons + stagger THP. Meanwhile, BH is in a higher tier.
I would like to add a small bit unsure if others have said this or not, nor will I bother to scroll to find out, Slayer does have a ranged weapon with the Winds of Magic DLC being Throwing axes you get 3 of them and to "Reload" he summons them back to his hand which has a delay of about 1 to 2 seconds per throwing axes.
How to make Pyromancer a better class: Talent lvl 30: Exhaust:The Burning Head, Removes overcharge and grant more crit chance, only for pyromancer Bonded Flame: The Burning Head, Restore 35 temporaro to ALL PARTY Blazing Echo: The Burning Head now grants same % crit of Critical Mass to all the party during 10 seconds
Pyromancer can aim with her ult just hold down the ult key and it’ll mark enemies in red. In chaos wastes she’s probably s tier if u have her talent to regain her ult back with crit chance and get the crit chance perks
This is a propaganda to force the pub play support careers.
I won’t even deny this.
@@WetMagic
Lol.
I definitely agree with some of these but battle wizard just has a high skill curve.
You have to know how to play her and honestly I don’t think it’s hard to learn, I’ve been playing battle wizard foe 4 days now and I’m mostly always the highest in damage.
@@samomico9536 For me she and ib are easy mode
@@samomico9536 nobody cares about your damage stats except you bro play w ur team
@@xkillablade Honestly I felt skill in this game was measured by how little damage you take.
The Outcast Engineer DLC is so weird. It's not a career dlc, it's a "turn ranger vet into a fucking god" dlc and you also happen to receive a new career on the side.
This is very fair.
I'm new to the game, what exactly about the engineer DLC makes the ranger vet so good? Is it the new masterwork pistol or what?
@@adc1222 That would probably be the pistol, yeah.
@@adc1222 yeah engineer's gun is insane on ranger and it's what makes him very good
I wish the outcast engineer didn't need to rely on so much support from his teammates to be good. It's just a really hard class to play properly for not enough pay-off.
Agreed that the ranger vet is amazing with the new revolver. He is everything the engineer wishes he could be.
Something to add to Unchained for team support. Get the talent which explodes burning enemies, get the talent that reduces the damage of burning enemies by 30%, get the talent which gives your ult a fire aura. And use the coruscation staff. You're still a melee power house but now you offer a shit ton of crowd control and buff the whole team by reducing the damage of every enemy by a significant margin. I've been playing her this way for a while and it's very effective at succeeding runs.
This is how I play her as well
Ah yes, DLC staff
@@SaberdudDoes't that strategy work with something like the Fireball staff?
@@henryviiifake8244
You run the risk of being a "that wizard" tho
*bounty hunter not being absolute god tier*
YOU, DARREE!
I know bro
He has the chad pants now and everything
....Thank you Wet Magic, I shall heed your adVICE >:(
@@tksav As you SHOULD, Grimgi... no one wants to carry you this match...
@@danny_decheeto8300 i've been rolling with repeater pistol/rapier bounty hunter in legend and cata for over 2 years, its honestly good fun and clutch asf at times
I love that every character has an S tier career!
I just realy enjoy seeing ranger vet up there, he was kind of a meme for the longest time, not because he was bad or anything, but because he was nerfed EVERY major patch.
In our group we called him the evernerfed for that.
Luckily that bullshit has stopped.
Yeahhh I still think iron breaker should be s tier with trollpedo cuz if you get headshots restore ammo and shoot into a horde making sure to aim for the head you can get pretty good crowd damage as well as elite and boss damage. plus cog hammer is OP and if u want mobility u can use dual hammers instead.
I think that’s on purpose
@@galling2052 Evernerfed, a dreadful title
except one is locked behind a paid DLC lol
I wouldn't call Zealot's movement speed talent a 'meme' when you consider how much it helps for fighting multiple chaos warriors at once, or multiple mixed hordes, since you can just move backwards really fast and keep doing power attacks while the enemies struggle to reach you even with their running attacks.
Only 1 Saltz career in S tier?
*H E R E S Y*
*M A L E F I C B L A S P H E M Y*
Nice touch with the Skyrim Inn music.
It's too good not to use haha
I knew it was Skyrim lol wasnt 100% but at least 95% sure 😂
Handmaiden doesn't get enough love, she isn't as flashy as the other Kerillian careers but she's the most well rounded.
I really think the moonfire put her right at the top. She was great already, but now she's just awesome.
I always used Handmaiden when I played her, I'm not big brain enough for the backstabbing and not dying
Honestly used to hate playing Hand Maiden. But I got talked into it by a random I meant one time and given some good pointers on a build and omg I fell in love with it. I think its also not as loved as its harder to figure out a good build if you don't know what your doing with it
@@WetMagic What is moonfire (is that something I don't have?) because I her best range weapon for me is the longbow for elite and stuff. (tho may be it a PC only thing.)
@@charleouel9012 Her weapon from the Forgotten Relics DLC.
Salty main here, personally I think your description on zealot is spot on. My favorite class to play but a bad team makes it infuriating some times (or RNG during CW). Easy A tier or easy C tier. Split the middle. Personally I think bounty hunter should be A tier. Rapier using half stamina for push block attacks makes him tanker than most people think, also easy to make space for ranged attacks, especially with added stam, block cost reduction, and stam regen. And the griffin foot pistols are soo fun and good to use, plus monster damage, definitely not S tier but I think he's deserving of low A at least. Regardless, Great video! No real complaints
Thanks 😁
Unchained may be B tier, but if ranking by fun factor I'd put her in S tier.
Outcast Engineer is probably a C tier but it's damn fun.
Been using unchained with a Flame Sword + talent that heals for staggers. I legit never die with Unchained Sienna. She can regen up to 10-15hp per hit sometimes. It’s actually insane, she can built temporary health consistently throughout the entire match. Coupled with her ult being a panic button it’s makes her incredibly hard to kill while spamming heavy attacks with flame sword.
What difficulty are you playing on?
@@sueycuomo8673 Under Legend cause that stuff dont work on Legend or Cata
@@christianjrgensen2871 yeah enemies attack faster on the highest difficulties.
both above replies are absolutely wrong - fire sword battle wizard is arguably her strongest choice and what makes her effectively a tank as well as an obscene horde clearer and boss killer. fire sword heavy 1 spam is absurdly safe because of how hard it staggers and how wide its swing is, and the thp generation is so stupid that if you ever do take hits it barely matters.
@@Armendicus The trick is to get a rhythm where you don't fully charge your heavy attacks. You're not hitting for damage, you're doing heavy attacks for the staggers and the temp HP. Your team can kill the enemies all you have to do is keep the horde staggered and use ur ult if the team needs you to.
_"The crime is your foul existence, the sentence is death!"_
Simply not receiving passive healing from waystalker or grail knight would be huge for zealot. Surely it could be bundled into some of his talents, perhaps the THP generating talents, so that if you're doing some weird off meta shit and want healing for some reason you can just take heal share. Even a sanctioned mod that does it would be great.
I wish they made it so that he recieved THP instead of health. Simple fix
Yeah big true. I pretty much always take team regen when playing as WS and feel bad when there's a zealot in the group.
@@theStamax you shouldn't. It benefits 3/4 of the characters, which is more important than the one character who purposely relies on being more "vulnerable"
How is Ironbreaker not S tier? He’s like a short fat armored librarian because when you have him in the party you’re for sure getting out of there with with at least one tome or grim.
I dig the list and it seemed like each placement was well thought out, I even learned a thing or two like WHC's passive working for the whole team. If I had to wine about something it would be to point out that the shade doesnt just separate from the team, her constant cycle of invisibility is dumping her share of the agro on the remaining three team members. While ranger does this a bit as well, his at least comes with a knock back and can be buffed to also provide the temp health and attack speed to the rest of the group along with not happening nearly as often. I am pretty sure their would have been a riot if you put her any lower though lol. Also, the new elf is still pretty broken OP IMO. They did nerf her strongest talent, yes, but I would argue that post nerf, it is still so strong that every other career in the game would still kill to have it. Not to mention, the rest of her kit is still super solid. I am glad they didnt nerf her to death of course, but I was expecting a tad more as an initial test.
That's my biggest complaint with invisible characters, not that they aren't good, or don't buff, or that they don't kill things. But most of the time ults are for sticky situations, and when someone or 2 players go invisible it can really fuck the other players up. Good team work or knowledge of why and when to go invisible is rarely a thing in quick play. However invisible ults are really good, just not for the players who can't lol.
I remember when pyro had that perma ult spam build that just nuked the whole map. Good times.
You should do a weapon tier list, I recently started and I have no idea what weapons are considered great.
I have done alot of weapon tier lists in relation to specific careers actually. I believe there is a whole playlist for them on my channel page.
As a general point of view, anything that is armour piercing and has crowd control and wide sweeps. I'm not even joking. Sword and shield may be okay, but you kill literally more enemies when you have the second and third stats. Armour piercing was also my go to from the first game. Why swing slow when you can do the same thing faster? (That's kinda why spear and shield for Kruber is poor. It's okay, but it isn't anything. Especially compared to the other stuff you get from that pack)
Besides Bounty Hunter I’m not at all disappointed with the tier list. This is my first tier video so honestly the fact that my second favorite character is the best overall makes it worthwhile
Glad you liked it 👍
Its a pretty good tier list I personally would put some of the melee centric career one up but that is just me being biased
Outcast is my favourite class, but you're right he is dependent on other people, but if they have your back, the team is spot on.
Solid tier list. I liked how you go into prettt good detail as to why you put each character where you put them. Also liked the Skyrim music in the background. Well done.
I’d honestly argue that OE is actually good in legend and up for the sheer amount of tools he can bring to support any team comp. Between his melee/ranged/mini gun, he can be kitted out to deal with literally any threat.
Yes, good players can handle hordes, but the sheer horde control the mini gun confers can save a match if three disablers spawn at once, or a large patrol gets involved.
And this is without even mentioning that OE has the objectively best bomb perk in the game. When on high difficulties, bombs are a rare and still exceedingly useful resource against patrols and monsters. 3x buffed up bombs with a 25% dupe chance on trinket is so damn strong. If you can get a cooperative team feeding you bombs, I think that perk becomes best in row tbh.
Sometimes horde clear via ranged is actively a detriment. You're denying your team easy temp hp, which can be what causes those types of situations to begin with.
You also have to consider that the opportunity cost of playing OE is not being able to play RV who is a fantastic ranged support nowadays.
He's perfectly playable on legend and cataclysm but he can sometimes cause problems, especially if the OE player has a green circle chaser mentality that just vaporizes hordes and provides no meaningful benefit to the team.
RV>>>OE in almost every aspect.
RV has a better bomb perk. I hate seeing oe in my team because he makes games not fun by killing hordes by himself. He's not an elf with a jav but still anoying.
Pfft O.E.
RV>OE
I'd like to add that he can gain a little bit more versatility by choosing Superior Gaskets and Combined Arms talents, which help him hold his own in melee. Combined Arms boosts his melee power and synergize well with his ranged capabilities, I think that's his most important talent. Superior Gaskets allows to "forget" cranking once 4 stacks are reached and gives a +10% max attack speed bonus. Add Ablative Armour and you're not a bad melee fighter for a "pure ranged" class
i think Handmaiden should get a rework, right now i think she is way to powerful while simultaneously being tediously basic.
Also great tierlist! Going into this i thought i would disagree allot more but i did not. Though i would have placed huntsman and zelot lower, while maybe pushing merc and sisterOT up a tier.
IMO Foot Knight should be higher A tier or possibly S tier. He has team support in one of the strongest(and most versatile) passives. I would argue that it is more reliable than Grail Knight since high damage reduction(or block cost) is guarantied. I would also say that he surpasses most of the S tier class in survivability. The only thing he is lacking in is his damage, which he makes up for with his incredible stagger using 2H hammer. He also has access to range which puts him leagues ahead of GK for dealing with specials.
Overall, he has incredible survivability, amazing and consistent team support, and decent damage.
I’ve never seen anyone use 2h hammer in Cata. Maybe it’s doable but tough which sounds rewarding.
@@The0nlyy It only works with a highly coordinated party since it is reliant on team mates to do damage.
I appreciate the skyrim background music very much
Tbh I personally don't really count stealth too highly due to stealth having the habit of making CW's 180ing mid overhead to your teammates because weird targeting ai. Additionally, this is well thought out, props my duderino.
That is fair. I do think its useful more times than its not though.
When i heard skyrim inn music in the beginning i smile subconsciously like big smile
As others have said, I think rn SoT is also S Tier. She just brute forces her way in there. She offers dmg and control to the team + utility via inc heal. She's also quite durable in a lot of situations. Personally, I hope they somewhat tune down her passives (the temp hp gain and the inc dmg based on enemy health), which should bring her in line.
Except she sucks if you have her as an AI. Damn you wall of stupidity.
yeah shes fuckng op
I'd argue engineer is the worst class. The win loss rate tanks whenever there is an engineer in the party. Yes he does great damage. But he needs another player watching his but the whole game. And does he do two players worth of damage?
I agree with you, but i gotta say his damage against bosses is probably two players worth of damage, other than that he is awful sadly
Yeah and he also does a lot of friendly fire sometimes..
He's rough in a quickplay because no one really wants to do the work of protecting him. I don't blame anyone for this btw, but he at least has the potential to synergize nicely with a few characters where pyro does not and has an ult that kinda doesn't work.
I play engineer with axe and shield, secondary fire only on pistol and the perk which gives you immense stagger so you can shield bash multiple chaos warriors to the floor when using 50% extra on attacking enemies and stagger temp health.... I find I dish out shed loads of dmg and barely get downed compared to others because the mini gun is a trap design.... Use it at risk of being hit but if you're selective and use pistol for close range elites at mid range he is OP!
@@wjnovels6999 Yeah i feel the axe and shield is a must have when playing engi, it helps him with his terrible survivability and i also use that extra stagger talent which is really good for setting up his ranged weapons. I feel that engi got a whole lot better when the trollhammer got introduced which has become my preffered weapon on him as previously i felt he struggled with elites unless you used his armour piercing shots for his minigun.
Huntsman is still #1 in my heart
Awesome video! You should do a tier list of your "most fun" characters in your opinion.
Hey that’s a great idea 😁
Hey man, enjoying your videos. Do you mind increasing your audio gain for your videos, at the very least for your voice audio track? I just noticed that it's much lower compared to other videos on YT.
Shade is an S tier if team knows how to help her and how to let her kill big things, while help her with hordes mostly.
When team annoy her moving the boss or monster around they actually hurt the ability she has to help the team killing things.
So in a good team she becomes an S tier class, in a descent one she stays as A tier, with a bad team she becames a B tier because team makes her job harder.
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Haven't watched the video, probably going to be great. But I'm already here to brag about the huntsman beeing to low! Just because I love the class dispite his flaws:D
*Me who loves both Huntsman and Engineer:* “LIFE IS PAIN!”
I only play BH because that's what i enjoy but it feels lacking many times, B tier is fair. Witch hunter is better but he doesn't have that bh drip :(
BW does have one REALLY good team support thing going for her. Her ult allows her to both teleport to someone who's been downed and away again. Staggering enemies around on both uses, which allows the downed person a chance to get up without getting instantly killed aswell.
Sometimes when fx. handmaiden revives, you just end up getting instantly killed because you're in the middle of a horde or there's elites doing overheads right as you get up, BW is by far the best at reviving in those situations.
Any careers that can use spear and shield weapons are triple mega S++ tier, and thats a fact.
Being green healed by your teamates as zaelot is just absolutly painful and I which he would be immune like you said, but sadly I think that will never happen
It's true, because in this game, once you get some health - it's nearly impossible to lose it. Never has anyone suffered more than a zealot player receiving waystalker's team healing.
The fact bounty hunter is in B tier shows that you do not own forgotten relics.
good video man! I was waiting for a career tier list like this for a while :)
Thanks m8
I'd argue the Shade's team support is tearing absolute chunks out of monsters
Yeah its like killing 2 Chaos warriors with one heavy doesn’t help your team at all jeez
Same with bounty hunter. Being able to chain ults and completely yeetus deletus a boss is pretty damn helpful for a team.
Would love to see an updated tier list for 2022 current game!
To answer Unchained's staff dilemma that you had in the video, her most versatile staff would be beam staff. You can take out all specials with it using 3 power beams in quick succession, which can be done very fast, so it's not that bad once you get the hang of it. Each beam you fire this way staggers the special in place too, so you can just spam it 3 times really quickly and kill them from any distance. It's also probably her best staff to build her overcharge quickly using the shotgun mode to get that 15% extra attack speed.
Not to mention you can clear hordes solo insanely fast with beam staff. Run into a horde spamming the shotgun, pop your ult to clear overcharge (bonus points if you're using the power per enemy hit ult) then continue spamming shotgun. I've cleared out entire hordes on my own in a matter of seconds doing this.
There's a lot Unchained can do that wasn't mentioned in this video and personally I don't agree with the B rating. I'd personally put her at A but to each their own.
Tbh the broken op SoT build aside i would put her in S cause of her hit Points and the 25% healing buff for every one every where even if they nerf the op build i feel like her wave and Elite management with the staff and her ult is insane
what you call an OP build? I think you talk about just her standard build becasue going by what you said - every career has OP build since there is always this one "best talents to take" build every career has.
Outcast engineer is tons of fun, but his talents and passives feel all over the place. On one hand I love the variety, on the other hand I don’t understand it.
What good is having three bombs for instance? That is highly dependent on a cooperative team and RNG, why should teammates even give them to you anyways if you aren’t running a dedicated bomb loadout? That passive is already extremely flawed.
Bomb passive suggestion:
Instead of carrying three bombs like some sort of disgraceful loot goblin, make it where engineer can passively create his own unique bomb after a certain kill count. Think grail knight strength pots but with a dawi explosive instead.
To keep things balanced why not give the bomb unique. Maybe the bomb doesn’t explode on impact, maybe the fourth talent tree can instead focus on buffing this bomb by giving unique and useful quirks. Personally I love the idea of a timed sticky bomb, we sorta have that in chaos wastes as is. Just make it more common but significantly weaker.
(Before anyone questions balance for this, remember Child of the thorn or can summon *several* thorn walls and use a staff that can completely stun 90% of all enemies in the game…
Giving the engineer the ability to make miniature explosives isn’t anything to sneeze at, especially since it could be made to functional as a utility item instead.)
Spotter as a passive:
A good idea on paper but it defeats the entire purpose of engineer. why? You want your teammates to fight in melee while **you** draw your clunky minigun and mulch bad guys.
Sure +10 ranged power can be nifty, but you already have a high volume of fire. The last thing you need is more damage, what’s needed is sustainability.
Ablative armor:
This perk is basically needed on higher difficulties (unless you are playing with a tight knit team.) Though it’s not perfect it’s better than nothing, basically just bargain bin Barkskin. Despite its flaws I Honestly I think this should replace spotter as Engineers support passive, it should be something naturally applied to the engineer and his allies who are near him.
It would greatly improve engineer and nearby teammates when things get hairy. It would naturally encourage allies to stay close to you, increase everyones survivability, an extra layer against chip damage, and gives engineer a slight durability buff without being *too* strong.
I appreciate the honest assessment of the career. Definitely one of my favorites that I’ve clung to religiously since it’s release, but one that I really hope they go back and give some much needed rebalancing too.
I love playing grail knight, his sidequest bonuses scale really well and he is GREAT at oneshotting elites with an executiioners sword, also his skill does HUGE damage to bosses
"I love grail knight" -🧟♂️
I mostly agree. I didn't weight team support as heavily as you did - so with that in mind I'd drop OE to D and bump shade up.
I think it's good game design that 3/5 starting classes are S tier. I think waystalker is really held back by basically being forced to take Kurnos' Reward at 30 unless you're using Moonfire or Javelins. Loaded Bow + Blood shot makes your career skill do so so much damage - and the 50% heal I'd argue is still good.
Awesome list. I like how you valued these characters. I have been loving Foot Knight lately. I thought Ironbreaker would be such a better tank, but it's just a very different tank character.
Great hammer on Iron breaker. You then gain huge damage, and crowd control. You just lose your shield, but not the worst sacrifice. Build him like a dwarf hammerer.
I built mine with normal Hammer for horde control in close combat and the Flame gun for incoming hordes and bosses. Feels so nice to whack a bunch of enemies just cutting through them, even better if his invincibility skill is on.
@@abaddon130 you use a 1 handed hammer though? Not the two hander?
When you mostly play pyro and huntsman, feelsbadman
Pyro is the best class in CW. .-)
I hope this video won't discourage you from playing a career you like. Wet magic makes cool videos, but some things are just his opinion. There is a video on this channel wholly dedicated to criticism of the huntsman, from which it becomes apparent he just doesn't like the huntsman. Huntsman is a good class and plays well on my preferred difficulty (on legend). On cata you might have to choose meta, anything below - play whatever you want.
this is based on performanc on the highest dificulty settings and even boyond. It is not indicativ on what you should play in general.
But yea they do deserve allot more love.
There were allot of patches were those two were gods and maybe they will be again in the future.
I personally think that waystalker can be a great dps class and I frequently find her to be one of my favorites, especially with moon bow. Great list though. Well done.
As a salt bounty main I totally understand your placement and as I have played other characters and gotten better at them I realized how just “okay” bounty was. He’s very skill based and revolves around if the person can hit their shots and if the team is willing to play around not staggering the boss so you can get those double headshots. Awesome list and agree with it 100 percent and the fact that i don’t know much about senna as she is the only class I don’t play was interesting.
90% block cost reduction is insane, albeit overkill on hand maiden. Or 60% and free up a stat on your weapon
Dunno if it's overkill. 90% of the time 60% bcr will suffice, but it's the other 10% where hm really shines so imo it's always worth getting the 90%.
Just bought the game for ps5 and I'm thankful for this info. Sucks that the fps is locked for us at 30 tho.
Yeah the fps on PS4/5 is really bad for some reason
WAIT, Shade can stealth to revive a team mate, one shot bosses, save your team from patrols with chain backstabs but she's got very little in the way of team support?
Really enjoyed this, new to V2 because Darktide.
Was about halfway through the video and then I realised something was wrong…
You were talking Warhammer but had Skyrim music playing, too harmonious and encouraging for the grim darkness of Warhammer 😂
Next time you're being dragged away by a packmaster and Grail Knight Kruber is waddling after you at 0.5mph you should reconsider your S tier placement lol
This is a tier list for cata+, where you HAVE to rely on team mates. Being pure melee isn't necessarily a downside if you offer enough benefits elsewhere (which GK does in spades).
was looking for something like this jsut hours ago, so nice timing :D
Hell yea.
You put one of my 2 fav classes in D-tier and the other in S-tier haha. I LOVE Bardin's minigun and always get the most ranged kills when I play outcast engineer
Minor tip, lower the background music so that your voice doesn't occasionally get drowned out. Had to strain to hear you once or twice.
Other than that, great vid.
I love my tanky boi Ironbreaker. Crowd control, drawing aggro, staggering hordes with nice big heavy swings, sniping specials. Hard to get good end game stats in Chaos Wastes but does a lot of work for the team.
Guess what I'll be playing in Darktide. Yes sah! Crumpin' n slappin' silly lil' men for dah Emp'rah.
Funny how a lot of ppl kicked me for picking handmaiden. She was my fav since launch, even more with spear and shield
Came for the list stayed for the Skyrim bgm
Pyromancers ult is funny because it is lore friendly, magic doesn't always work the way you want it to in warhammer - the fact it can just randomly go off in the wrong direction is a great representation of the tabletops miscast mechanic. They should definitely change it though, lorefriendly isn't always fun.
i love bounty hunter, but only issue I see with him now is on chaos wastes, when going into a chest of trials and selecting your boon, it completely resets the damage reduction talent so you have to start again, which makes the ability which doesn't cross to the next mission (there already being its other con but manageable) worse on you as half the time, your stuck at the lower side of that damage reduction, not feeling a difference. hope this does get patched though.
Yea makes it not even worth taking I’d imagine.
I feel like you underrated Waystalker, but then I also don't play Cataclysm difficulty, so maybe it has to do with that. Her special is just so versatile, in any difficult situation it solves your problems. The homing effect can get specials off allies you otherwise couldn't reach, it can just straight up kill 5 plague monks running up to your team, so many applications. It's not even really bad against hordes either, since the arrows penetrate for some reason. Press F, and chances are whatever was bothering you isn't alive anymore
Yeah, I freakin' agree with Pyromancer placement. She literally has only her career skill that saves her, and that's hardly enough. The choice is between half of pyromancer with more and also an overcharge assistance, having a somewhat good homing attack every 2 minutes with a low quality damage boost and nothing else, or having the ability to straight up avoid dying to your own overcharge. There's no contest there! Plus, I have managed to skip small parts of missions with Battle Wizard fire walk.
I would say that Unchained is A tier.
You have great crowd/hord controle while using flamethrower with special ability and at the same time you can use teamsupport runes. Only bad thing about Unchained is that if you dont have your special ability charched you will explode and give like 20-30 demage to teammates. But thats just my opinion and i have only finished everything on Legend difficulty and i dont know how difficult the Cataclysm is)
I think I should mention that a Potion of Concentration combined with the Crank Gun for Outcast Engineer is insanely fun. Especially if you have the very rare gear piece that makes potions last longer. I always pack that potion whenever I play it.
I just started playing this game about a week ago when the game went free on steam and this is the exact build I run. The amount of dmg output you make is insane and you would not be surprised when you get too dmg every run
Idk why outcast engineer is always super low tier… like 3 grenades at a time, mini gun, etc he makes a great boss killer and horde slayer! I usually get top special and elite kills, great damage, etc while giving allies cover fire to do what they need to do.
Honestly would put him up to B at least
keep up the fire vids my guy 👍👍
Pyro getting hard slept on here. I play her consistently in Cata and she holds her ground, definitely not as much as some classes, but she can hold her own when she needs. Her ult has a mind of it's own, but the temp hp gain on ult is amazing for survivability. Mix that with dagger cleave and that thp gain, she can always stay at high health getting the extra damage buff. Her play style is a lot faster (with dagger) than other sienna classes which makes her very fun to play.
Definitely any class can be played to a fair degree of success depending on the skill of the player, but as the only career with what I consider to be a "broken" ult I can't in good faith put her above anyone. She also has too many talents that are not that useful such as:
- Ride the fire wind
- Martial study
- Soul siphon
- Exhaust
She's not that far from being really good, but I would be in a favor for a bit of a rework on her and maybe some better melee options and she could be awesome.
@@WetMagic You're definetly right, I'd say many people, including myself simply use her ult as a utility for thp rather than something you can consistently rely on to hit your target, not sure why it doesn't work more similar to something like the Waystalker ult which is far more consistent imo.
I do think sienna's melee options are overall lacking with a lot of focus on the staff (maybe too much, but I get what they are going for). I wish she had more melee weapons that are compelling/fun to use.
If you hold the ult button, it brings up an outline and will hit that target.
Was this video made before they gave Slayer the Ranged Pizza Cutter shaped axes? Because one of my mains is Slayer with the pizza cutters.
I know it is a bit late for this question but what is the background music in this video? I love it and would like to listen to it when im at work!
Great video. It’s sad because there was a time pyromancer was the queen of the game..but that was a long time ago.
As someone who plays a lot of Kruber, I wish Grail Knight wasn't such a boring career to play as. His ult is a one click kill everything button on a ridiculously short cooldown with no nuance or skill, and his passive team buffs are not interesting or interactive. They just require you to do things that you would do anyway.
I played sienna all wrong my first times with her. I believe every character has their weapons and sienna’s dagger is the play. Seriously I run around like a coked up maniac (while I vent ) stabbing everything before they even blink. It’s like playing blood borne as I get all my health back then proceed to light everything ablaze again.
What music did you use in the background? It sounds familiar.
It’s a bunch of different songs from the Skyrim soundtrack. One of my favorite ost’s ever.
Hey Wet Magic! If you were to add warrior priest to the tier list right now, what tier would you put it?
I started playing the game few days ago as Waystalker. And for now.. played arround 20 hours, no other hero could beat me at the end score list. Waystalker is just OP for many things.. Only bad vs bosses.. And just to add, friends who I play with are all maxed out and much longer in game than me. So I am shocked as they are lol
A nice one, though I disagree with some of the choices. It seems to me that by trying to take into account dmg, tankiness and support you kinda made it a tier list of versatility. A good thing, sure, but in a good team almost any character can do nicely in a right niche. Except that there will sometimes be characters that do the same thing AND something else, like with the Huntsman and Shade. However, the poor Engi plummets down because he's just too specialised for his own good. He needs protection, indeed.. however if he gets it, he melts pretty much anything that comes into range. As a Handmaiden main (somewhat transitioning to the Foot Knight, but they are pretty much the same, it's just that Kerillian is more popular so it's easier to get a team as Kruber) I always prioritise defence of a decent Engineer and I know the results they can achieve.
Pyro is fun to play!.. but... yeah...
Fun fact - my friend started as a Zealot main for that easy big damage gameplay, but now his hero of choice is WHC. Damage output only got greater. Btw you've forgot to mention that he has free blocks on light attacks which boosts his survivability even more.
I'm currently trying the Ranger Veteran as a melee class with throwing axes, making use of his 25% power boost when out of ammo. It's.. definitely fun to try.
Foot knight and engi with comrade in arms is great, to hell with the rest of the team!
Do you know any tier list which separates the different roles? Like separate tier lists for boss killers, front liners, ranged elite and special killers
I use Unchained with the Bolt staff and I can pretty much carry or babysit any team through a legend run. The stun and stagger she produces is unmatched. I'm good with monsters but I do rely on bombs or areas I can block and dodge around to keep the agro.
+1 for the Oblivion Music
Merc Kruber is ALWAYS S Tier... He is THE melee Horde clear class, has the best support ult in the game, all his traits lend to team play, & has good enough health to function as an off-tank.
Outcast Engineer I would personally put at A tier dependant on The player; IF They can mitigate damage & Is not afraid to utilize his melee often.
Slayer I will always have a soft spot for due to his absolutely obscene speed & DPS capability all the while having very viable suitability if you are dodging & able to handle the constant head shifting PERSONALLY I'd put him at A... However I can understand why you put him where you did.
Hand Maiden has always been useless in my experience, only serving the speed running dicks. Where as I would put her ass in D I can thoroughly understand why so many people like her, & would rank her in such high status.
slayer mindset: who needs armor when you can just kill rats before they can hit you?
The mercenary belongs in S tier if you build him right he deal high burst damage and good crowd control and good team support with good survivability cuz of his career skill
Music gets a tad too loud at the 14-15 minute mark, can't quite hear what you're saying, but thanks for the insight! :)
pro gamer tip, f11 makes a page to be in full screen, if u make that the video will look a lot better, anyway, nice video
I still believe Outcast is underrated, I've played him tons at release and learned lots of methods to keeping his high dps leading him to survive situations normally where he wouldn't, the one mission in the library finding switches? Sat on the stair top and unlimitedly spun the minigun and murdered everything while teammates got switches. (Random queue lobby btw) I agree he's slow, and has not much team synergy but he's definitely over a c in my opinion.
Haven't played alot, but I noticed that Way stalker gets really tanky when you have knifes that can "headshot" and you have the ability that gives temp hp on every headshot kill. I can't remember if that's an ability that is available to all Kerillian's careers, but it does negate the way stalker's lack of survivability.
I love how different feeling about careers we have with my friends... on the second hand we play together and can work around those things that may be lacking. :D
The only one I'd disagree with is waystalker. I'd put her at A rank, minimum.
Waystalker final talent, 30% ammo regen on ult special/elite kill, works with moonfire bow. Put barrage on moonfire, and it can also deal a fair bit of boss damage.
I've been running it for quite a while now, and I'm absolutely in love with it. With how fast WS can regen her ult too, I think she might be the best special killer in the game too.
Surprised you put Huntsman so low.
Top damage, innate ammo sustain, sustainable DR and access to stealth, shield weapons + stagger THP.
Meanwhile, BH is in a higher tier.
I would like to add a small bit unsure if others have said this or not, nor will I bother to scroll to find out, Slayer does have a ranged weapon with the Winds of Magic DLC being Throwing axes you get 3 of them and to "Reload" he summons them back to his hand which has a delay of about 1 to 2 seconds per throwing axes.
love that skyrim music
Right? I find it makes tier lists where you're looking at the same thing for a while (especially longer ones like this) more enjoyable.
Very good career tier list and I thank you for it =)
You're welcome.
i think : zealot in A, with the rest i totally agree. Great video ty for show some other players what they should play if they new in cata/legend
Zealot can be great but he just works best when you ignore the team witch auto makes him worse
How to make Pyromancer a better class:
Talent lvl 30:
Exhaust:The Burning Head, Removes overcharge and grant more crit chance, only for pyromancer
Bonded Flame: The Burning Head, Restore 35 temporaro to ALL PARTY
Blazing Echo: The Burning Head now grants same % crit of Critical Mass to all the party during 10 seconds
Pyromancer can aim with her ult just hold down the ult key and it’ll mark enemies in red. In chaos wastes she’s probably s tier if u have her talent to regain her ult back with crit chance and get the crit chance perks