Mads Mikkelsen would have been a great choice for Doom if they hadn't already wasted him in the MCU, but you still got plenty of great actors out there like Cillian Murphy who also would have been a great choice IMO.
Not really feeling this. It’s nice have RDJ back but this seems super desperate. Wish we were getting to see Doom for the first time with a different actor. Since this is the route they’re going I hope they make it good.
Hello, Jody. This is definition of laziness and desperation. Doctor Doom shouldn't be treated as a replacement for another character, but have a proper buildup...just like Thanos. We all love RDJ, but this doesn't make sense. They could have had Cillian Murphy (Guy who played Scarecrow, Oppenheimer and starred in great series - Peaky Blinders) play Doctor Doom. If they wanted to bring RDJ back, why not do evil Iron Man as a twist? Honestly, this feels like a What...If? episode - What if Tony Stark became Doctor Doom? TERRANCE OUT
This concept has been done to a degree, believe it or not. It was called "Iron Man: Demon in an Armor," where Victor hijacked Tony's body to steal his wealth and resources while they were roommates in college.
A similar concept was portrayed onscreen to with the movie Face Off that was a hit. So that is a comic that could translate to the screen for viewing audiences easily.
MCU is on its deathbed, Deadpool/Wolverine allowed the death to be delayed but this move with RDJ brings hope that it can come back. Now if RDJ fails as Doom the MCU is done completely.
He’s from the F4 universe where Tony stark became Doom and when they transfer over to the original universe it will freak out spider man n the avengers
These people aren't real marvel fans if they don't know IRON man is DR.DOOM IN THE MULTIVERSE. Also for comedic say RDJ IS ALWAYS THAT GUY PLAYING ANOTHER GUY DISGUISE AS ANOTHER GUY.
Want to start of by saving great video and everyone had some solid points but I still HATE this idea. Why? Because for how iconic Dr Doom is, why on Earth would you place him as a remplacement? That just screams desperation not just for me but for a lot of people like you said Marvel needs him not the other way around. Deadpool said it best we are getting tired of this multiverse BS and the fact that a doom from another universe is going to be a menace for our universe with a VERY small introduction window just doesn’t feel right for me personally. In the video, I feel the fans were excited to see RDJ and not as excited about the news that’s why this news is 50/50
You could be tired of the multiverse all you want but they still have to finish it, if they up and said “oh we’re done with the multiverse now” and moved on with no explanation y’all would still complain. And another thing I don’t think it’s 50/50 12 million likes on his page and 10 million on the marvel page vs maybe a few thousand people on RUclips and other apps. Doctor doom outside of the super hero fans is not that iconic so the average mcu fan is probably more happy than not.
There are 4 Fantastic Four films by the way. 1994 The Fantastic Four,2005 Fantastic Four,2007 Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer,2015 Fantastic Four. Some info on the 1994 one Direct-to-video and television films Unreleased. Available in bootleg recordings and on RUclips.
I love RDJ, but this is super desperate and lame IMO on the behalf of Disney/Marvel. He is obviously iconic as Tony Stark/Iron Man but that isn't Doom at all and its going be trash if he's just going to be an evil version of Tony Stark.
Comparing this to Chris Evan’s Human Torch is level 9000 of intellectual dishonesty. Those F4 films were way before the existence of the MCU and they were strictly stand alone films and on top of that, they were owned by FOX. Having said that, outside of RDJ being a Doom variant so he will A Dr Doom but not THE Dr Doom, this casting makes absolutely no sense. Side note: there’s no excuses for them to not recast Tchalla now. They just ran themselves into a logical fallacy on that one
The idea is everybody knows Evans as Steve Rodgers but completely loved the 22 fake out bringing him back as Johnny Storm and loved it without breaking the illusion. They also managed to make Superman be Wolverine in the same movie with everybody loving that as well. Point is great actors make it work. And also with T’Challa that was not Marvel or Feige choice you need to blame Ryan Coogler for that one. It was Coogler who chose not too and it’s also Coogler who is directing BP3.
Doom a Romani who are just the Italian diaspora while Murphy is Irish and probably didn’t want the role anyway as they legit have been trying to cast the character for a year.
Worst possible scenario for RDJ returning as Dr Doom is that he ends up being another terrible Doom and ends up doing a Christian Bale. Where he goes from someone who was loved in the comic book movie world as someone who delivers top tier movies to someone who ends his comic book movie career with a sour taste. That question was beating they ass 😂.
Keon tripping. Captain America is A class character. The only mother freaked who stayed true to what a super hero is supposed to be. Never corrupted, never gave up on his friends, lead the who avengers in the final battle of end game. He held Thors hammer for gods sake!
I’m the biggest iron man glazer there is, but if we think about it from an objective point of view, RDJ’s done all there is to do with that character. What better story arc could you have in store for him than the one he already had if you were to bring him back as iron man if it wasn’t a cameo? He might not have been my first choice as Doom, but the biggest hero this universe has ever had now having to play arguably the biggest villain they’re going to have is an interesting concept in and of itself. They’ve been taking risk after risk the entirety of phase 4 and they haven’t panned out. They went the safe route with this and sometimes it’s the best route to take. People doubted that the Russos would even be able to pull off movies like Infinity War and Endgame and they exceeded with flying colors. Same with RDJ himself when he was cast as Iron Man. Take this for what it is. RDJ is back as an important character with the two best and most reliable directors this franchise has seen at the helm. This is an almost guaranteed home run. We just have to let them cook
So is it a tony stark doom? Will it actually help the mcu when you still have the new avenger members who no one cares for? I guess we’ll see how it plays out
Its pretty lame imo. If this was a Tony variant body swapped with some kind of variant Doom, it could make sense. Even then, they haven't even introduced Dr. Doom proper, so this feels like a rushed and desperate attempt to make a quick buck. If they are saying that RDJ is playing Victor Von Doom proper, then this is totally lame.
How is it rushed when these movies are a couple years away, and the Russo Bros planned on doing Secret Wars as far back as Endgame? Also RDJ said he wouldn’t return for a full movie without the Russos and he wanted to play Doom as they already had a plan in mind. A quick buck would have just been paying RDJ to cameo and paying a cheap no name for Doom, and have Levy or somebody direct Avengers 5 that would have done a 2 billion off the strength of there being a Doom in it and a RDJ cameo. Instead they are paying RDJ over $80 million and the Russos like $60 so that doesn’t sound like a quick buck rather paying more money for a better product.
@@Byronic19134 No, it would not save them money to put a no name as Doom. For all of the money they spend on RDJ and the Russo bros, they will make back in spades. Their names being included in the films will ensure that a lot more people go to see it, regardless of the quality. Not saying it won't be good, but their names creates a buzz. The issue is that they spent a lot of time developing the Kang storyline. And now that Majors is out and they won't recast him, they are doing this Doom/RDJ as a band-aid solution. So yes, in that way, it is rushed. All of that development time went to waste and now they are asking audiences to except this weird casting decision. We'll see if it all works out. Either way, they've ensured that they're going to make a ton of money.
How is casting the cream of crapping on Doom? A new no name actor nobody would have cared about, but just by simply casting RDJ as Doom there are going to be millions upon tens of millions of non comic readers now digging into the lore of Doom and becoming fans. They were never going to be able to flesh out Doom in the movies as his lore is too deep anyway. So RDJ is about to do for Doom what he did for Iron Man and make him a top 5 character of all time.
it's because he played the first hero in the MCU that it would be poetic for him to play the OG marvel villain Doom being a Tony Stark variant is poetic, he doesn't have to stay as Doom, he just needs to open the door.
i don’t like it dawg it’s good to see him back in the mcu but man just not as doom man that’s my top marvel villain. i need a new face 💯. happy to see the rdj comeback love tho fans needed it. just wish it was a diffrent character or sum.
One more thing,whenever War Machine and Captain Falcon America run up on Doom and take of his Mask, aren't they going ask Tony why he's dressed as Dr. Doom?
The casting makes sense given the circumstances. Now that Kang is out of the picture, they needed another star power villain to fill the void. Makes for interesting possibilities when he and the F4 come to Earth 616
Hell I thought it was BRAD PITT...low-key I've been trying to figure out what actor could have been a another if not better choice to play doom....my girl like... TOM CRUISE...
I think it’s fine would I have made this decision probably not but this is good for marvel on three fronts 1 they get RDJ and his talent back 2 this gets people talking about the mcu more than the have since endgame and 3 this is going to draw in a lot of the average fans.
Sam will still be captain america when the new avengers movies come out in 2026 and 2027 and will be the main lead. He will be the leader of the avengers.
There’s so many great actors who are a better fit for Doom (personally I wanted Mads Mikkelsen) but I’ll take this I guess lol at least they are trying to be consistent with what has been established with the variant aspect while still pleasing the fans
I would be really excited if it wasn't for the Desperation feeling this choice gives off. Also, we already basically saw RDJ as a villain before in Ultron. HE WAS TRASH!
1-Mads Mikkelsen 2-Keanu Reeves 3-Luke Evans 4-Rufus Sewell (he has the face) To me it feels like a desperate move to bring RDJ back. I don't want Robert Downey Jr. to return to the MCU as Doctor Doom because I believe the character deserves a fresh interpretation from a new actor who can bring a unique depth and complexity to the role, allowing Doctor Doom to stand on his own as a formidable villain rather than being overshadowed by RDJ's iconic Tony Stark legacy.
honestly Michael Fassbender would be a more natural fit, but Robert Downey Jr is more versatile than y'all give him credit for, and I think he's gonna do right by the fans more than anything.
What's up Jody Jo!? Long time no talk to brother. You know I'm long-winded about comics and the movies so bear with me. 😮💨 Listen, glad to see RDJ back and as a 50yr comic book reader come October who's childhood has been gloriously spoonfed to me on screen for the past 25yrs I understand the decision. But. . .BUT, @18:22 (In My Opinion) *Mads Mikkelsen* would have been PERFECTION. He has the acting chops, the look, the voice, the regal mannerisms. Just think of a highly intelligent/tech savvy Kaecilius spliced with Gus Fring. Even though they already jobbed him out in Doctor Strange, he definitely could have been a variant from the Fantastic 4 universe that's Doctor Victor von Doom and get a much deserved/needed redemption. That being said, I have faith in Kevin Feige/MCU, the Russo Bros and RDJ though. This is good for the MCU at the end of the day. And it's not desperation. They're being business savvy and following the old adage: "stick with what works" to make sure they can give the fans something decent/good🤞🏿Great. So like New Comic Day, 🙏🏿🤞🏿I'll just wait to see the outcome🤞🏿🙏🏿 before I pass any final judgement.
It does reek of desperation but it has a logic to it. Having already set up variants and establishing the paranoid Tony Stark building Ultron and the "suit of armour around the world" thing, they're probably going to go down the route of an evil Tony Stark variant conquering the multiverse to control it, replacing Kang. Which I think actually works a lot better than Kang because Jonathan Majors wasn't up to the task in the acting department, and the more I think about it, it feels like it could be quite narratively satisfying to have the character who heroically sacrificed themself in the previous big story coming back as the final big villain before Secret Wars hits the hard reset button. They then get to have Iron Man be both the start and end of that whole continuity. It retroactively makes the variant thing feel like foreshadowing of this as the big twist instead of it just being a cameo machine too. They've possibly accidentally fumbled their way into the best possible outcome for this run of films after a catastrophic run. They're lucky they had this card to play to pull it together.
4:28 THAT'S WHAT MADE IT AWKWARD. Listen to the applause. It shifted from Who's Playing DOOM to LOOK! it's ROBERT DOWNEY JR. I always said they would abuse the multiverse. Now they're desperate. All of this could have worked if the did it right IN THE FIRST DAMN PLACE!
Imo they should have left him rest. Ironman and RDJ had a W character run and it was one of the few flawless and heroic but also consequential moments of the MCU. Seeing him again just kinda undermines it all.
This gives me confidence in the future of the MCU because it means that they’re going back to square one and to the drawing board to new and fresh ideas. We are basically getting the “What If” story in live action in front of our eyes. If they’re doing what I think they’re doing, then it’ll work because there was a time where Doom became Iron Man. I can see the inspiration. I don’t think he’ll play the main Doom, but who knows.
I don't know how much they paid him to play that role :) It will be directed by the brothers though, so maybe there is hope ;) Maybe for the role of Doom he would be good : thomas shelby ;)
Honestly........I approve of this. Ironman has fallen., Did his great duty to the universe, Fantastic character. He is now playing a villain who also wears a mask.
What’s crazy is the figey brothers said “he’s the only one who could play doom” when there are lots of other actors that look and could play a better doom then Robert😂
The thing is Fantastic Four: First Steps will take place in alternate timeline future with Galactus as the main villain. Doom will probably come from that universe to The Sacred Timeline alongside the Fantastic Four after Galactus eats their world. 😂 Becoming the Sacred Timeline Doctor Doom similar to how Green Goblin was temporarily the MCU Green Goblin in No way Home since Obscorp doesn’t exist in the MCU. 😂
We all know Avengers 5 would have done $2 billion with a no name playing Doom and a quick RDJ cameo. Instead Feige brought the brinks trucks out to get Russos and RDJ back meaning to me they are paying more money for a better product.
Very entertaining discussion 🤣👏 you cut it off I wanted to hear bg4 read E top 5 lmao but anyway after giving it some thought 🤔 the MCU needs RDJ with the state that it’s in they need him regardless of what character he’s playing he needed to comeback. I personally think he can pull it off as long as he gives a good performance I might be here for it.
1. This is definitely going to be an adaptation of The Demon In An Armor storyline. 2. Personally, I would rather they still use Jonathan Majors as Kang The Conqueror. Jonathan Majors was fired by everybody when he caught his case. Now, he's been sentenced & it would be years after his case, by the time Kang Dynasty would've came out. 3. Actors That Could've Played Doctor Doom Instead Of RDJ: 1. I Want Jamie Dornan As The Main MCU Timeline Doctor Doom Regardless 2. Bryan Cranston 3. Cillian Murphy 4. Nikolaj Coster-Waldau 5. Giancarlo Esposito As A Doctor Doom Variant 6. Henry Cavill As A Doctor Doom Variant
Apparently Iron man in the comments once turned into doom when him and victor von doom switched mines and tony was in victors body (pause) and victor was tony stark
It's unfortunate what happened to Johnathan Majors, I wish him the best after being betrayed by his significant other. But it's not a Marvel or Disney issue, it's a business. Also for those that don't know... Doctor Doom and Kang are two different characters.🤔
Not what I want but I'm still very interested to see Peter Parker's reaction to seeing him. They can tell an insanely poetic story with this move though
So mark my words this is how this is gonna happen: in this "universe" Howard starks company went under and him and his wife were forced to put a young Tony Stark up for adoption and Werner and Cynthia von Doom adopt him and that's how he becomes "Victor von Doom/ Dr Doom "
The casual fans are going to wonder why iron man playing Dr Doom or call it evil iron man. They could’ve got anyone to play doom if the excuse is they’re gonna be behind a mask the whole time. They should’ve got cillian Murphy or anyone else besides their biggest character actor in the mcu and I bet this isn’t going to be a variant they probably really want RDJ playing mcu Dr Doom
So FYI I’m stoped the video midway to make this comment. It’s probably literally but after RDJ takes off the mask he puts the glasses on and that makes me think in a much of multiverse Will we see a Tony stark that never leaves the Middle East and becomes harden and abandon his name, life, and who he was (Tony stark) and instead of becoming Ironman he becomes Doom. I think that’s the only way to do it
It fits with the multiverse theme plus iron man became DOOM in the books weather this can stick the landing & we get a multiversal victor von DOOM in secret wars by the end a new actor should come in after secret wars
Some disney or films under disney made did made money in 2023. Poor Things,Elemental,Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3,The Boogeyman (2023 film),All of Us Strangers. Films that made money after it left the big screen are The Little Mermaid,Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. Black widow made money by the way overall because ofdisney plus,so while it flop on the big screen it made money because of streaming.
It's kinda good and funny that rdj is playing doctor doom because he auditioned for the very same role back when the first Fantastic 4 movie came out.
Yeah I saw that somewhere very interesting
Either you die a hero or you live long to see yourself become a villain. The legend is back with a diff aura.
In this situation, he did both lol
Mads Mikkelsen would have been a great choice for Doom if they hadn't already wasted him in the MCU, but you still got plenty of great actors out there like Cillian Murphy who also would have been a great choice IMO.
Maybe he didn’t want the role
Mads is a Doctor Strange villain already....but with the Multiverse and all.😂😂
It is nice to see him back. He's come to save the MCU once again.
This got me hyped! I was also waiting for your video on this!
Deadpool and Wolverine had my theatre lit. When they showed Blade everybody went crazy.
Not really feeling this. It’s nice have RDJ back but this seems super desperate. Wish we were getting to see Doom for the first time with a different actor. Since this is the route they’re going I hope they make it good.
Hello, Jody. This is definition of laziness and desperation. Doctor Doom shouldn't be treated as a replacement for another character, but have a proper buildup...just like Thanos. We all love RDJ, but this doesn't make sense. They could have had Cillian Murphy (Guy who played Scarecrow, Oppenheimer and starred in great series - Peaky Blinders) play Doctor Doom. If they wanted to bring RDJ back, why not do evil Iron Man as a twist? Honestly, this feels like a What...If? episode - What if Tony Stark became Doctor Doom?
TERRANCE OUT
Word.
This concept has been done to a degree, believe it or not. It was called "Iron Man: Demon in an Armor," where Victor hijacked Tony's body to steal his wealth and resources while they were roommates in college.
A similar concept was portrayed onscreen to with the movie Face Off that was a hit. So that is a comic that could translate to the screen for viewing audiences easily.
Y’all remember when Jordan retired and came back playing for the Wizards? Yeah..
MCU is on its deathbed, Deadpool/Wolverine allowed the death to be delayed but this move with RDJ brings hope that it can come back. Now if RDJ fails as Doom the MCU is done completely.
Are you willing to bet against the Russos and RDJ to fail considering their track record?
He’s from the F4 universe where Tony stark became Doom and when they transfer over to the original universe it will freak out spider man n the avengers
These people aren't real marvel fans if they don't know IRON man is DR.DOOM IN THE MULTIVERSE. Also for comedic say RDJ IS ALWAYS THAT GUY PLAYING ANOTHER GUY DISGUISE AS ANOTHER GUY.
“Til you’re 90” 😂
Que Madonna music lol
I’ve seen people say Cillian Murphy could play Doom. Mark Strong would be a great choice for Doom.
anybody can play doom but what RDJ brings is money baby box-office
Mark Strong? Absolutely tf not
@@babayaga5502 Disagree that anybody can play Doom.
@@92kris What’s wrong with Mark Strong playing Doom?
@@kingposeidon7858 anybody means any good capable actor ..
but RDJ brings buttload of money 💰 for movie that's guaranteed 👍✌️
L move by mcu. I need doom, not tony doom. He better not take off that mask. But i know what's coming 😂
I mean in the comics it happened
Iron Doom doesn't equal Dr. Doom. This is Battle World variant Ironman with a Doom mask...
Want to start of by saving great video and everyone had some solid points but I still HATE this idea. Why? Because for how iconic Dr Doom is, why on Earth would you place him as a remplacement? That just screams desperation not just for me but for a lot of people like you said Marvel needs him not the other way around. Deadpool said it best we are getting tired of this multiverse BS and the fact that a doom from another universe is going to be a menace for our universe with a VERY small introduction window just doesn’t feel right for me personally. In the video, I feel the fans were excited to see RDJ and not as excited about the news that’s why this news is 50/50
You could be tired of the multiverse all you want but they still have to finish it, if they up and said “oh we’re done with the multiverse now” and moved on with no explanation y’all would still complain. And another thing I don’t think it’s 50/50 12 million likes on his page and 10 million on the marvel page vs maybe a few thousand people on RUclips and other apps. Doctor doom outside of the super hero fans is not that iconic so the average mcu fan is probably more happy than not.
There are 4 Fantastic Four films by the way. 1994 The Fantastic Four,2005 Fantastic Four,2007 Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer,2015 Fantastic Four. Some info on the 1994 one Direct-to-video and television films Unreleased. Available in bootleg recordings and on RUclips.
I love RDJ, but this is super desperate and lame IMO on the behalf of Disney/Marvel. He is obviously iconic as Tony Stark/Iron Man but that isn't Doom at all and its going be trash if he's just going to be an evil version of Tony Stark.
Comparing this to Chris Evan’s Human Torch is level 9000 of intellectual dishonesty. Those F4 films were way before the existence of the MCU and they were strictly stand alone films and on top of that, they were owned by FOX. Having said that, outside of RDJ being a Doom variant so he will A Dr Doom but not THE Dr Doom, this casting makes absolutely no sense.
Side note: there’s no excuses for them to not recast Tchalla now. They just ran themselves into a logical fallacy on that one
I love u. Please have my child based off this comment alone bc I wholeheartedly agree, daddy.
@@gotrollywdf🤣🤣🤣
The idea is everybody knows Evans as Steve Rodgers but completely loved the 22 fake out bringing him back as Johnny Storm and loved it without breaking the illusion. They also managed to make Superman be Wolverine in the same movie with everybody loving that as well. Point is great actors make it work.
And also with T’Challa that was not Marvel or Feige choice you need to blame Ryan Coogler for that one. It was Coogler who chose not too and it’s also Coogler who is directing BP3.
It should’ve been Cillian Murphy
💯 Facts
He's not about to do a marvel movie after winning an Oscar I doubt....
Doom a Romani who are just the Italian diaspora while Murphy is Irish and probably didn’t want the role anyway as they legit have been trying to cast the character for a year.
@@Byronic19134 oh yeah...because chris hemsworth has norse heritage to play thor or scarlet johansson has slavic heritage to play natasha😂
Desperation at its best
Read the comics buddy
@@ajtheclutchgod79what do u mean? 😂😂 . Reread my comment. I wasn’t talking about Dr Doom bruh
@@ajtheclutchgod79try again
@@josep2807 😭😭😭 lol ok bro
@ajtheclutchgod79 Just because it's in the comics, doesn't mean it's justified 😂 How about we get a proper Doom before the variant.
Worst possible scenario for RDJ returning as Dr Doom is that he ends up being another terrible Doom and ends up doing a Christian Bale. Where he goes from someone who was loved in the comic book movie world as someone who delivers top tier movies to someone who ends his comic book movie career with a sour taste. That question was beating they ass 😂.
Hey that dude next to Jody got
Me 😅😅 I thought he was seriously hatin on RDJ, nah he a real one fr.
Keon tripping. Captain America is A class character. The only mother freaked who stayed true to what a super hero is supposed to be. Never corrupted, never gave up on his friends, lead the who avengers in the final battle of end game. He held Thors hammer for gods sake!
Yeah in MCU before the MCU he was a C list character as best.
@@darkseid6089big facts before the MCU he was not that popular with the general public at all
I’m the biggest iron man glazer there is, but if we think about it from an objective point of view, RDJ’s done all there is to do with that character. What better story arc could you have in store for him than the one he already had if you were to bring him back as iron man if it wasn’t a cameo? He might not have been my first choice as Doom, but the biggest hero this universe has ever had now having to play arguably the biggest villain they’re going to have is an interesting concept in and of itself. They’ve been taking risk after risk the entirety of phase 4 and they haven’t panned out. They went the safe route with this and sometimes it’s the best route to take. People doubted that the Russos would even be able to pull off movies like Infinity War and Endgame and they exceeded with flying colors. Same with RDJ himself when he was cast as Iron Man. Take this for what it is. RDJ is back as an important character with the two best and most reliable directors this franchise has seen at the helm. This is an almost guaranteed home run. We just have to let them cook
So is it a tony stark doom? Will it actually help the mcu when you still have the new avenger members who no one cares for? I guess we’ll see how it plays out
Not a fan of this at all. If it’s for secret wars ok, but permanent no. He’s already played Ironman. Let someone else make their mark on a character.
it's for secret wars , after that we will have a one world with one version of each character . So are you ready for Tobey+Hugh vs RDJ ???
@@thebestfederer Not exactly hype for it since I’m not sure who’s going to be in it yet.
@@kingposeidon7858 i dont know too , we'll see .
Its pretty lame imo. If this was a Tony variant body swapped with some kind of variant Doom, it could make sense. Even then, they haven't even introduced Dr. Doom proper, so this feels like a rushed and desperate attempt to make a quick buck. If they are saying that RDJ is playing Victor Von Doom proper, then this is totally lame.
How is it rushed when these movies are a couple years away, and the Russo Bros planned on doing Secret Wars as far back as Endgame? Also RDJ said he wouldn’t return for a full movie without the Russos and he wanted to play Doom as they already had a plan in mind.
A quick buck would have just been paying RDJ to cameo and paying a cheap no name for Doom, and have Levy or somebody direct Avengers 5 that would have done a 2 billion off the strength of there being a Doom in it and a RDJ cameo.
Instead they are paying RDJ over $80 million and the Russos like $60 so that doesn’t sound like a quick buck rather paying more money for a better product.
@@Byronic19134 No, it would not save them money to put a no name as Doom. For all of the money they spend on RDJ and the Russo bros, they will make back in spades. Their names being included in the films will ensure that a lot more people go to see it, regardless of the quality. Not saying it won't be good, but their names creates a buzz. The issue is that they spent a lot of time developing the Kang storyline. And now that Majors is out and they won't recast him, they are doing this Doom/RDJ as a band-aid solution. So yes, in that way, it is rushed. All of that development time went to waste and now they are asking audiences to except this weird casting decision. We'll see if it all works out. Either way, they've ensured that they're going to make a ton of money.
Michael Fassbender, Tom Hardy or Cillian Murphy would have been a more inspired choice!
Marvel keeps craping on Dr Doom bruh 🤦🏻♂️ terrible as hell instead of casting someone new and fresh
How is casting the cream of crapping on Doom? A new no name actor nobody would have cared about, but just by simply casting RDJ as Doom there are going to be millions upon tens of millions of non comic readers now digging into the lore of Doom and becoming fans.
They were never going to be able to flesh out Doom in the movies as his lore is too deep anyway. So RDJ is about to do for Doom what he did for Iron Man and make him a top 5 character of all time.
it's because he played the first hero in the MCU that it would be poetic for him to play the OG marvel villain
Doom being a Tony Stark variant is poetic, he doesn't have to stay as Doom, he just needs to open the door.
Looking like the MCU Messiah.
i don’t like it dawg it’s good to see him back in the mcu but man just not as doom man that’s my top marvel villain. i need a new face 💯. happy to see the rdj comeback love tho fans needed it. just wish it was a diffrent character or sum.
One more thing,whenever War Machine and Captain Falcon America run up on Doom and take of his Mask, aren't they going ask Tony why he's dressed as Dr. Doom?
E MAN TAKE THIS L FOR SUGGESTING ARMIE HAMMER AS DOOM BRUH
You take a L for even giving it attention you and I both know that was a putrid take
The casting makes sense given the circumstances.
Now that Kang is out of the picture, they needed another star power villain to fill the void.
Makes for interesting possibilities when he and the F4 come to Earth 616
I think he's going to be the Tony Stark variant of Doctor Doom, not the original Dr. Victor von Doom.
He’s going victor von doom but he’s from universe of the fantastic four
Hell I thought it was BRAD PITT...low-key I've been trying to figure out what actor could have been a another if not better choice to play doom....my girl like...
TOM CRUISE...
In the Comics, there is a multiverse where Tony Stark is Victor Von Doom..... so yeah.
Armie Hammer LMAO
My answer to Jody’s final question is thank you RDJ for everything you have done, my man Cillian Murphy is going to be our Dr Doom
I think it’s fine would I have made this decision probably not but this is good for marvel on three fronts 1 they get RDJ and his talent back 2 this gets people talking about the mcu more than the have since endgame and 3 this is going to draw in a lot of the average fans.
The irony in Marvel replacing one false criminal with an actual criminal as their big bad is crazy 😂
I don’t know who’s dumber Star Wars fans or Marvel fans because this is not a great choice for Dr Doom
Booooooooooo. Why does he get all the roles. No one else can get paid?
😂😂😂
Am I trippin or does eman always say Armie Hammerfor casting a new role
Bruh they really said we ain't making that money no more. Lets get the golden child to come back. 😂
Sam will still be captain america when the new avengers movies come out in 2026 and 2027 and will be the main lead. He will be the leader of the avengers.
so we just gonna act like the council of kang not out there
Now child, Doom sees all and is going to handle them in Doomsday per rumors.
There’s so many great actors who are a better fit for Doom (personally I wanted Mads Mikkelsen) but I’ll take this I guess lol at least they are trying to be consistent with what has been established with the variant aspect while still pleasing the fans
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.. in RDJ's case he did both
I would be really excited if it wasn't for the Desperation feeling this choice gives off. Also, we already basically saw RDJ as a villain before in Ultron. HE WAS TRASH!
i never clicked on a vid so fast lol
Been waiting for this🤣👏
IM JUST HAPPY RUSSO BROTHERS ARE BACK AND SINCE ITS THEIR CASTING IM ROLLING WITH IT 🙌🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
1-Mads Mikkelsen
2-Keanu Reeves
3-Luke Evans
4-Rufus Sewell (he has the face)
To me it feels like a desperate move to bring RDJ back. I don't want Robert Downey Jr. to return to the MCU as Doctor Doom because I believe the character deserves a fresh interpretation from a new actor who can bring a unique depth and complexity to the role, allowing Doctor Doom to stand on his own as a formidable villain rather than being overshadowed by RDJ's iconic Tony Stark legacy.
Aye RDJ has a powerful acting range & he can play a hellava bad guy. I think he’ll do Dr. Doom justice
I'm optimistic but still Idk 😬. I wouldn't bet money
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Cillian Murphy, Michael fastbender or Christoph waltz would of been a better choice
honestly Michael Fassbender would be a more natural fit,
but Robert Downey Jr is more versatile than y'all give him credit for, and I think he's gonna do right by the fans more than anything.
What's up Jody Jo!? Long time no talk to brother. You know I'm long-winded about comics and the movies so bear with me.
😮💨 Listen, glad to see RDJ back and as a 50yr comic book reader come October who's childhood has been gloriously spoonfed to me on screen for the past 25yrs I understand the decision. But. . .BUT, @18:22 (In My Opinion) *Mads Mikkelsen* would have been PERFECTION. He has the acting chops, the look, the voice, the regal mannerisms. Just think of a highly intelligent/tech savvy Kaecilius spliced with Gus Fring. Even though they already jobbed him out in Doctor Strange, he definitely could have been a variant from the Fantastic 4 universe that's Doctor Victor von Doom and get a much deserved/needed redemption.
That being said, I have faith in Kevin Feige/MCU, the Russo Bros and RDJ though. This is good for the MCU at the end of the day. And it's not desperation. They're being business savvy and following the old adage: "stick with what works" to make sure they can give the fans something decent/good🤞🏿Great.
So like New Comic Day, 🙏🏿🤞🏿I'll just wait to see the outcome🤞🏿🙏🏿 before I pass any final judgement.
The current mcu universe is not garbage.
It’s at its lowest you’re in denial if you think otherwise.
E be killing me bruh
Could be really cool depending on how he plays the variant
The decision ever for me🔥🤲🏽
It does reek of desperation but it has a logic to it. Having already set up variants and establishing the paranoid Tony Stark building Ultron and the "suit of armour around the world" thing, they're probably going to go down the route of an evil Tony Stark variant conquering the multiverse to control it, replacing Kang. Which I think actually works a lot better than Kang because Jonathan Majors wasn't up to the task in the acting department, and the more I think about it, it feels like it could be quite narratively satisfying to have the character who heroically sacrificed themself in the previous big story coming back as the final big villain before Secret Wars hits the hard reset button. They then get to have Iron Man be both the start and end of that whole continuity. It retroactively makes the variant thing feel like foreshadowing of this as the big twist instead of it just being a cameo machine too. They've possibly accidentally fumbled their way into the best possible outcome for this run of films after a catastrophic run. They're lucky they had this card to play to pull it together.
DOOM GONNA USE THE DARKHOLD TO CONTROL TONY LIKE WANDA DID IN MOM
4:28 THAT'S WHAT MADE IT AWKWARD.
Listen to the applause. It shifted from Who's Playing DOOM to
LOOK! it's ROBERT DOWNEY JR.
I always said they would abuse the multiverse.
Now they're desperate.
All of this could have worked if the did it right IN THE FIRST DAMN PLACE!
Exactly, RDJ will not sign on to a bad movie.
Imo they should have left him rest. Ironman and RDJ had a W character run and it was one of the few flawless and heroic but also consequential moments of the MCU. Seeing him again just kinda undermines it all.
You comic book nerds need to pump your breaks, RDJ is a national treasure.
This gives me confidence in the future of the MCU because it means that they’re going back to square one and to the drawing board to new and fresh ideas. We are basically getting the “What If” story in live action in front of our eyes. If they’re doing what I think they’re doing, then it’ll work because there was a time where Doom became Iron Man. I can see the inspiration. I don’t think he’ll play the main Doom, but who knows.
I’m with e man on this
I don't know how much they paid him to play that role :) It will be directed by the brothers though, so maybe there is hope ;)
Maybe for the role of Doom he would be good : thomas shelby ;)
Honestly........I approve of this. Ironman has fallen., Did his great duty to the universe, Fantastic character. He is now playing a villain who also wears a mask.
What’s crazy is the figey brothers said “he’s the only one who could play doom” when there are lots of other actors that look and could play a better doom then Robert😂
The thing is Fantastic Four: First Steps will take place in alternate timeline future with Galactus as the main villain. Doom will probably come from that universe to The Sacred Timeline alongside the Fantastic Four after Galactus eats their world. 😂 Becoming the Sacred Timeline Doctor Doom similar to how Green Goblin was temporarily the MCU Green Goblin in No way Home since Obscorp doesn’t exist in the MCU. 😂
Seeing a Doom variant is going to make me excited to see another villian, not the real Doom
Dang BG4 I really wanted to hear Eman top five. 🤦
My argument is let them cook thrn judge russo bros and rdj in my experience they are 5 star chefs
Thank god the Russo bros are back and Rdj as well sounds a like a winner to me
We all know Avengers 5 would have done $2 billion with a no name playing Doom and a quick RDJ cameo. Instead Feige brought the brinks trucks out to get Russos and RDJ back meaning to me they are paying more money for a better product.
Great news 👏 🎉👍
You know if they make Robert play Doom for 6 years they won't remember Iron man.
Very entertaining discussion 🤣👏 you cut it off I wanted to hear bg4 read E top 5 lmao but anyway after giving it some thought 🤔 the MCU needs RDJ with the state that it’s in they need him regardless of what character he’s playing he needed to comeback. I personally think he can pull it off as long as he gives a good performance I might be here for it.
1. This is definitely going to be an adaptation of The Demon In An Armor storyline.
2. Personally, I would rather they still use Jonathan Majors as Kang The Conqueror. Jonathan Majors was fired by everybody when he caught his case. Now, he's been sentenced & it would be years after his case, by the time Kang Dynasty would've came out.
3. Actors That Could've Played Doctor Doom Instead Of RDJ:
1. I Want Jamie Dornan As The Main MCU Timeline Doctor Doom Regardless
2. Bryan Cranston
3. Cillian Murphy
4. Nikolaj Coster-Waldau
5. Giancarlo Esposito As A Doctor Doom Variant
6. Henry Cavill As A Doctor Doom Variant
Apparently Iron man in the comments once turned into doom when him and victor von doom switched mines and tony was in victors body (pause) and victor was tony stark
Tim Roth, Christoph waltz , or Michael madsen would have been my choices just my opinion
It's unfortunate what happened to Johnathan Majors, I wish him the best after being betrayed by his significant other. But it's not a Marvel or Disney issue, it's a business. Also for those that don't know... Doctor Doom and Kang are two different characters.🤔
Not what I want but I'm still very interested to see Peter Parker's reaction to seeing him. They can tell an insanely poetic story with this move though
So mark my words this is how this is gonna happen: in this "universe" Howard starks company went under and him and his wife were forced to put a young Tony Stark up for adoption and Werner and Cynthia von Doom adopt him and that's how he becomes "Victor von Doom/ Dr Doom "
The casual fans are going to wonder why iron man playing Dr Doom or call it evil iron man. They could’ve got anyone to play doom if the excuse is they’re gonna be behind a mask the whole time. They should’ve got cillian Murphy or anyone else besides their biggest character actor in the mcu and I bet this isn’t going to be a variant they probably really want RDJ playing mcu Dr Doom
Bro with the Beatles shirt only one making sense 💯
The mcu is still doing really well.
Yeah after Deadpool and wolverine
still😂
Still?😂
2:17 lmaooooo💀💀😭😭
32:18 BG4 😂😂
So FYI I’m stoped the video midway to make this comment. It’s probably literally but after RDJ takes off the mask he puts the glasses on and that makes me think in a much of multiverse Will we see a Tony stark that never leaves the Middle East and becomes harden and abandon his name, life, and who he was (Tony stark) and instead of becoming Ironman he becomes Doom. I think that’s the only way to do it
They could've brought back "Julian McMahon" as Dr.Doom
It fits with the multiverse theme plus iron man became DOOM in the books weather this can stick the landing & we get a multiversal victor von DOOM in secret wars by the end a new actor should come in after secret wars
Some disney or films under disney made did made money in 2023.
Poor Things,Elemental,Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3,The Boogeyman (2023 film),All of Us Strangers.
Films that made money after it left the big screen are The Little Mermaid,Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania.
Black widow made money by the way overall because ofdisney plus,so while it flop on the big screen it made money because of streaming.
Been waiting on your commentary