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Do you think that one they could possibly cause these types of “episodes” in people with what we know about the human brain at this present time? It should be possible I think with all the meds that affect our brain a Dr may prescribe to help certain disorders.
I always assumed what was going on in Birdbox was that the monster is from a higher plane of existence and our minds couldn’t comprehend it and it drives us crazy
I agree the angels in the Bible say to people “don’t fear” if you understand what biblical angels look like (tons of eyes, four faces, 4 or more wings and even in fire). It’s something so scary your brain freaks out
@@Darqshadow right lol I guess that’s why we’re not suppose to depict heavenly beings because they are terrifying irl 😂
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@@Darqshadow ell that and they can just show up as a dude, depends on the situation. I mean some old guy tells you a flood is coming, you might blow it off. Now if it is a giant set of gold rings with 10K eyes and 10K wings, you might believe it.
@@rookholgadothe Bible instructing people to "fear not", is like the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy telling you "Don't Panic". Stupid and regrettable things occur when fearful people decide in a panic
It's also worth noting the vast majority of the population with schizophrenia aren't living in institutions, they manage to live normal lives while managing their condition with medication and/or therapy
And from the sounds of it, anyone with eye damage (even if they’re not fully blind) may be similarly able to look at them without suffering the full impact
Some research suggests that schizophrenia might be the later manifestation of early childhood insult to the cerebellum. The idea is that the cerebellum is an area responsible for coordination and thoughts become miscoordinated if there's an insult (either illness or injury) to that part of the noggin. After hearing about it, I remember thinking "and this is why you don't shake babies nor hit kids in the head". Anyways, thats the rough idea about one way schizophrenia could develop (it being a collection of symptoms and not a discrete disease in and of itself).
I'd imagine a full-fledged psychopath and other similar conditions could view the thing with zero effects whatsoever as they lack any ability to process emotions.
@ejb992 psychopaths process emotions differently. Without the ability to have emotions we seem to lack the ability to prioritise and subsequently lose the ability to function as one typically would expect a human to function. Long story short: people without emotion are also without ability to prioritise. Everything is just as urgent or unimportant as any thing else
Roanoke hypothesized that the way we perceive these creatures could be affected by the brain damage which brought hallucinations and stuff. I'd say it's more likely the guy drew Cthulu because it's a concept we're aware of and it's easy to hallucinate something familiar like Cthulu. What they actually look like is likely different, but I wouldn't be surprised if they had grotesque anatomy. I also wouldn't be surprised if they looked like Lovecraftian abominations, because that's still a possibility.
@@RyuuRider Its kind of funny you say that its a concept we're aware of and its easy to hallucinate it like Cthulu, because the whole point of Cthulu is that, what people see is actually just the closest our minds can get to describing what we're seeing without our brains melting into sludge. Cthulu doesnt actually look like a giant weird fish octopus faced thing, but its the closest thing we can get to a depiction without sizzling our gray matter on a hot frying pan.
@@SunTzu176 Cthulhu is terrestrial not an octopus or fish at all. Varuna once ruled this planet till the triad of entities each equal in strength came from the stars and stopped Varuna's xenoforming Earth dead in its tracks. R'leyh is the city and tomb for Cthulhu and spawn. I looked up the word and found it is based on "rely" which can mean restrain. Which the fire sign is trapped by water. Lovecraft possibly got the idea from reading Hindu texts of his grandfather's library where he would read about Varuna the first "God of the Air" and ruler of Earth. It took 3 other gods to fetter him into the briny deep. The 3 are; foremost among the many Hindu gods and goddesses are the Holy Triad of Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva, the creator, sustainer, and destroyer of worlds (in that order). Sometimes, the three may appear in the form of an avatar, embodied by a Hindu god or other shapes each as strong as Varuna to put he and his minions into Yamas/R'leyh trapped for a long time.
@@SunTzu176 Yeah, the way people seem to perceive them here is pretty in-line with how people perceive entities like Cthulhu in the Lovecraft Mythos. The human mind TRIES to process what it's looking at, but it's so complex and alien that the mind just kind of fills in gaps to create something somewhat recognizable. Which honestly makes sense since that's kind of how the human mind tends to work in the real world - when we encounter unknowns, our brains tend to fill in the gaps with something that makes sense to us even when it's inaccurate. It's one of the reasons why shadows can screw with our brains so much and make us misjudge shapes, sizes, and so on and so forth. Especially in the wild, where unrecognizable things tend to poke the survival panic mode button in the primitive lizard part of our brain. Entities like the ones in Lovecraft lore and this movie just take that to an extreme, with the unrecognizable creature in the shadows being so alien that it straight up overloads the brain instead of just causing it to misinterpret and/or overestimate how threatening the thing it's trying to recognize is.
You can see what they were going to look like in deleted scenes. They had originally intended to show them in the Movie but when they showed the monster to people instead of being scared they laughed so they removed them form the film.
Fun fact when I read the books even dogs will off themselves when they see the creatures. At one point in the book they believe that they can use the dogs like guide dogs. Although that failed miserably. Why birds were left? Unaffected is still a mystery that I'm curious about.
In the book birds kill themselves too. Huge scene at the end of it. It's actually where the title of the book comes from. So many birds around them, raining down with their bodies. Blocking out everything, like a box of birds. Trapped in a bird box.
Fun fact the original design for the birdbox monsters was originally going to be giant ugly babies but the movie's director said no it would be scarier if we never see the monsters
This movie, the Happening, and the crazies hit me like no other movies. Like having your self control taken from you, then being forced to hurt yourself or the people you care about. Its terrifying.
If I remember correctly, the aliens in Birdbox book didn't mean to cause this. They just popped up on Earth to either observe humans, make contact with them and/or were on vacation. They have no clue that the reason the humans are acting like that was because of them. A example, near the end of the book, when one of the aliens try to take the blindfold off. The lead screams to don't touch it and that it was her's. Upon request, the alien let go and walked away. Showing that they have the intelligence to understand and travel to Earth, but not understanding that they are the reason why the humans are offing themselves.
They might just not care. They were either dumped on earth by another more intelligent species, or by some unknown series of events, OR they're very aware of their affect on humans. It might not have been intentional originally...but it was likely so after the initial episodes arose, either due to purposeful decision or apathy.
sounds like the book does a better job at describing what's actually going on, and the movie is just following mom of boy and girl from apocalypse's start
The digital monitor not helping I think disproves the biophoton theory. Digital images are usually 8 bits per color channel for a total of 24 bits or 16mil unique colors. So whatever light comes off of these monsters would either not be picked up by the camera at all or be converted into one of those colors (like how your phone's camera can convert infrared light into the visible spectrum and you can see it in the viewfinder).
Heah, roanoke very inteligent with the biology. Technology, not so much. He's basically saying you can get vision damage by looking at a photo of the sun for too long. Obviously not true when put like that, but in a mythical setting, looking at the suicide light on a screen also shouldnt be able to do anything to you.... I'm honnestly just pinning this one on some supernatural entity / government experiment gone wrong. Or aliens. Or simply an scp or something. Edit: saw on another comment equating this to an SQL injection attack (government military project akin to the heart attack gun or nasty soundwaves?) basically sending a coded signal to hack some biological process on an instincual level. Hypnosis.
yeah it's obviously not energy they are absorbing, but information. Some sort of information is passed to those that look at them, which takes over. A sort of visual virus, I guess.
@SpahGaming although this is obviously down to debate and whatever you believe in but I like the idea of how in real life angels and God himself is taught that his true form is so overwhelming for humans that it drives them crazy and that's basically what's happening so what I think is that the creature is so overwhelming to look at that drives them crazy in a single glance then it triggers a primal thing in animals and humans alike that drives them to simply just stop existing immediately
But the conversion of the signal could still happens. Like how our brain can fill in color even when there isn’t any. It could be like a specific puls length or pattern that causes the damage. Which is then converted to RGB since most cameras are able to pick up other forms of light like how Face ID works and how infrared cameras work. Which as soon as our brain recieves the pattern it starts to destroy itself. Those cameras were also infrared as they had night vision which means that the bio light could be within that range. To my knowledge it hasn’t been confirmed what the limit to bio light range could be.
@@josephackerman1907 The problem is that it has been confirmed what range of light a monitor can emit. Monitors are actually very limited compared to the real world. The number of colors and color combinations and monitor can generate is limited. Even if it were somehow a specific combination of colors, the limited number of colors that a monitor can emit means that it is absolutely guaranteed that that combination of colors has been shown to a person before without it affecting them. So it can't be related to color. The only way that this functions through a monitor is if it's the shape of the creature that somehow triggers the biological reaction, not light.
I’ve always wondered how they could look so devestated but happy at the same time. I know that they are supposed to be monsters but the way that the creatures were framed always reminded me of how in Greek mythology, mortals were unable to look at the pure form of the gods. Like they were overwhelmed by the sight of the gods in their most pure form and it literally drove them crazy, kinda like the victims of the creatures in bird box! Sorry for rambling, great video as always!
its similar in christianity as well looking at the true form of god or even a angel would result in a person immiedatly turning to ash or salt with a experssion of fear and awe like lots wife.
I also had ocular migraines as a kid, and throughout my teens. I was kicked in the head by a horse when I was 10. I grew out of them, thank god, but they'd leave me paralyzed with pain, completely blind and throwing up. The light/sound sensitivity was the worst, though... A stray bit of sunlight would leave me curled up in a ball, or a phone ringing across the house. They'd crop up at school, always preceded by a slowly growing patch of 'shimmer', which would come to dominate my vision. As it grew, so did the pain, until I was completely disabled, laying in the darkened nurse's room, until my mom could come pick me up. I distinctly remember *not* remembering the trip home, a few times, and I know the pain got so bad I'd hallucinate. They'd last about 8 to 10 hours, and leave me physically and emotionally exhausted. I'd have about three a month. The doctors couldn't do anything for me. Nothing wouldn't touch the pain. They just chocked it up to the brain damage (severe concussion from the kick, and in a brief coma, which I woke up from quickly) and hoped it'd eventually pass. It did, but the imprint it left on my life is profound. I'm physically sick when someone is hurting... it brings me instantly back to that place... I'd do anything in my powerful to alleviate suffering in another, but have a nearly superhuman pain tolerance. Trust me, If you ever get an alien parasite, I'm the guy to come to if you need to be put down... I understand.
I have had eye migraines twice each time with impaired vision no pain and I have suffered for decades with head splitting headaches now I have them under control.
For some reason, when I get sick to my stomach I also develop bad migraines, but not nearly as bad as the ones you have described. However, I do understand the light sensitivity and increasingly horrible, debilitating pain. For me I almost always throw up and the pain begins to subside afterward. This is what leads me to believe it's from food somehow. I feel like I have been through a fraction of that, and I can nearly imagine what you mean. Congrats on growing out of them. I've had kidney stones too and that doesn't even seem as bad as these migraines.
Wait you can grow out of migranes? I've had chronic migranes my entire life. I'm on medication but it's not preventative - only meant to stop a migraine once it starts (so I'm still in pain and light/sound sensitivity, etc for only an hour, not all day)
So, we have the "don't look" monsters and the "don't speak" (Quiet Place) monsters. I guess there must be a "don't listen" monster movie in the works so we get the whole "...no evil" trilogy. Then the studio(s) get greedy and we get the "don't smell", "don't taste" (?!!?) and "don't touch" spin-offs. With a direct-to-streaming "don't think" movie, that no one admits to having ever seen (but turned out to be a guilty pleasure).
There is a movie roanoke covered I think a year ago where human language becomes infected by some kind of virus so people scramble to not listen to stuff.
"Don't touch" can be any zombie movie, but I elect "The Thing" to be the exemplar. "Don't smell" has that one apocalyptic movie where the plants decide enough is enough and they release some kind of pheromone that makes humans go absolutely cuckoo in the head.
Something I was wondering is... seizures. For some people flashing lights can cause seizures, so what if it is something like that? A specific wave length of light or energy that sort of trips a specific part of our brain into having seizures. This seizures typically cause someone to want to off themselves. However, for a select few with slight altered brain chemistry like a mental illness it affects other parts of the brain.
I kind of agree. Facts we have: 1# Works over video (which can only represent a small subset of the electromagnetic spectrum aka 'light frequency'). 2# Legally blind people, and blind folds that stop ~95% of vision seems to offer perfect protection. That tells me this is is kind of like an SQL injection attack; you need the entire command for it to 'work'. Almost like the monster has a metaphorical sign on it that says 'drop table human_sanity and human_logic;'. That would explain why this can be done over video and why it only works on humans.
@@chriss8825 I'm still sussed out by the "can be done over video part" Let's take it to the logical extreme, what if a simple light detector looked at the entity? You would get a single pixel from 0-255 brightness. Obviously this can't hypnotise someone. Double the resolution. A 2x2 checker square of pixels, still very comprehensable. Quadruple that, 8x8, you're at 80's video game sprites now... Could that kill you? Quadruple that again. Now we're at 32x32, very tiny pfps are dissernable at this resolution. Could you die by looking at a tiny youtube profile on a list. I mean your brain can see hundreds of them on a monitor before you conciously look at the correct image. How many doublings of a simple monochrome image until the mind gets tricked? What if someone were to run a hd image into an image2image AI? What would it spit out? I'd assume it would simply crash or something boring like that. But fundimentally, what is the difference for a set of data for a computer to process and display? What if you were to apply loads of video effects to a cctv feed? wobble distort, hue shift. Or crop it to only see half the creature? or a quater? Or use the same method i mentioned earlier of looking at one pixel at a time? Hell, what about those robots that can put pen to paper based on an image given to them, how would that fair? Again, if that Idea was implemented in a sequel, the writers would have the robot "burn out" and crash just before drawing it, for suspence. But WHYYYY. It's already shown that computers can process it perfectly fine, and other animals can as well, but there HAS to be some reductive limit to be able to depict these creatures, even in an abstract way that humans should be able to comprehend.
@@SpahGamingSeems more like it's more difference of frequencies than specific frequencies. Like seizures are triggered with difference between light and dark in sequence. It also seems like protective mechanism from people, because if they don't die they admire the source, so it's either technical or evolution result for those creatures. It makes me wonder how prone to schizophrenia were prehistoric people
But video does not even reconstruct the visible spectrum at all. It just reconstructs RGB, so three channels, from the entire visible spectrum. And in the movie he was watching grayscale image without color at maybe 24fps. So neither the photon frequencies nor the blinking frequencies are reconstructed. 24fps for example means it can reconstruct okay-ish, up to 12Hz blinking. That is a VERY limited range of stuff to be that effective. I like 'drop table human_sanity and human_logic;' explanation though :D, and obviously it could be some kind of a "magic" attack similar to the SQL example. For example in some stories of magic, there are some spells which only affect you if you actually read them, if you cannot read it for whatever reason it does not work.
This movie reminded me of the time I caused a wasp colony to self destruct. Play boy brown sugar cinnamon body spray. The wasps that came near me started attacking each other near immediately. It was utter Chaos, so i sprayed the hole nest. They literally tore each other apart to the last wasp. Many were actively eating their own wings on the ground.
4:04 I always crack up when a classic car pops up because I know Roanoke talks about them both because he wants to and because it bugs the crap out of some very salty people
I always saw the creatures as something so abhorrent that it shatters people's sensibilities. Just starts causing immense stress and basically drives people insane. And then people that have issues with their world perception already are more into it like a person inspired by Saw vs being grossed out or whatever. The physical eye reaction I kind of figured was just an aesthetic choice for tension, but extreme stress can cause vessels to break but it makes more sense than monster shoots lasers into people's eyes that melts some people's brains.
I got ocular migraines for a few years. I saw kaleidoscopic fractals in the left side of my vision, spreading through to the right side. They lasted about 30 minutes each. Thankfully mine never really hurt, they just left my eyes sore for a few hours. But y'all should know, these are also symptoms of retinal detachment. If you experience this, you should absolutely see a doctor as quickly as possible, within a few days. The sooner you're diagnosed with retinal detachment, the easier it is to repair.
@@choshow86 Most likely because it came out around the same time as A Quiet Place, and both share a similar premise baring a sense change, hence the comparison.
@@choshow86 in my opinion it was just as bad and poorly done as "The happening". M Night Shamalan is just not my cup of tea. He might have done two okay movies, but the urge to always have a dumb twist made it unwatchable for me. You always expect a twist now in his movies and it's often so dumb, so corny or just plain silly to even have the premise best example "The visit"
My biggest gripe with the movie is: The man with Sandra has like fully developed and visible musculature like he regularly goes to the gym despite them being years into the hostile living situation in the movie
in the second film it is Shown that the aliens are physical in nature since they could capture one, but also some peoples can develop resistance to the mental manipulations and ocular attack.
There's a mobile game I play and one of the sound effects has such a weird frequency that it makes my stomach muscles activate. But there's no noise that will just make you shit lol
I've personally head cannoned the creatures of Birdbox as a sort of informational prion where decoding their appearance is what screws up normal thinking patterns.
The problem with a non-supernatural answer is that regardless of how they attack your eyes, you'll only ever see part of what a camera records at the frequency and intensity of whatever monitor you're using. It makes little sense viewing it that way could be harmful and even if it was, invert the colors and set it at 4 or 5 frames per second. You'd be a little laggy but good enough to survive.
I believe that the creatures use memetic effects to drive humans into suicidal (and homicidal) trance. Specifically, effects targeting eyesight. Something similar to kill agents used by the O5s in the SCP universe.
I've had optical migraine a few times. It happens when your brain is inflamed, but rather then the swelling pushing against the inside of your skull and thus causing pain, the swelling is pushing against the optical nerve, squeezing it. This causes sections of your vision to become like static, and it also tends to grow and move. Also, it's cheaper to fly to Europe and get an appointment with a doctor, then to consult one in the US... :P
You sound very privileged. It costs a lot of money to move to another country and a lot of emotional ties need to be cut. We are struggling in the US and this comment didn’t read the room.
@@asmrtpop2676 The poster wasn't intending to MOVE there. Just to see if a doctor there would be able to do the exam without it costing so much money as it does in the States. I would definitely say that you're the only person who chose to be offended by Seedling's comment.
If we were to assume it was a solely supernatural anomaly, it would be classified as a Memetic Cognitogazard in SCP jargon. In short a memetic cognitohazard is any object/entity that causes anomalous behaviours when perceived. In this case it causes an overwhelming urge to self-delete. In the movie (assuming it is supernatural) it is likely some kind of eldrich anomaly that overwhelms the mind and causes self-deletion. The mass-self-deletion is a clear sign that this is some kind of extermination force that is meant to erase humanity. the fact that there are some people who are seemingly immune/affected differently might be intentional or most likely it is just an unintended effect. If we are to go with your frequency explanation, think of it like epilepsy, where certain combination of stimuli cause seizures, the frequency of their bio-photons trigger a part of the brain that causes the individual to self-delete.
Memetic cognitohazards aren't strictly supernatural. To parse that term down to its core, memetics are very much real and just handle the sharing of information, and while we haven't yet ran into cognitohazards in their traditional assertion, we have ran into similar phenomena like death cults that are at their core an idea which when shared can lead to self destruction. We also run into Infohazards, sets of information that are dangerous to share, think instructions to make weapons. At the end of the day, our senses are ways to execute arbitrary code on biological machines, be that strobing lights to an epileptic or some yet to be discovered pattern that causes this, and unfortunately our hardware doesn't update quick enough. It's not out of the question.
More paranormal theory. I have heard of a "creature" called a "Tulpa" which is a thought-form of malevolence. It is believed that with meditation one can manifest it into existence. May also be referred to as an Agozyn. It is an evil entity that causes someone to commit suicide or commit heinous acts. (However,not all Tulpas are created equal.) Technically, Tyler Durden from Fight Club is a Tulpa. Likewise, Freddy Krueger is also a Tulpa. Both were created as thought forms and both had different physical forms that manifested into existence. Big fan of looking at movies covered here on the channel as thought experiments. Great video as always, this is the most engaged I've gotten in the comments 😅
@thomasjoychild4962 this is true. Honestly, my first exposure to this concept was from the Pendergast series (The Wheel of Darkness). I thought of this story when I saw the thumbnail. It's an interesting comparison of changing mentality when exposed to a vision, whether imaginary or something tangable or optically perceived. That mentioned, you make a good point that Tulpa is a manifestion in of thought. I haven't researched it too much, so I'm currently in a rabbit hole to learn more 😅
@@RenzDavis They're a thought-entity that can end up "getting away" from the person who thought them up and become independent. IIRC they're from Tibetan folklore.
9:37 a very strong sense of foreboding. From what I understand... in the book, the "sanctuary" is a place where people have willingly blinded themselves to remain safe
Something I don't think you consider is that the birds alert prior to the presence of the creatures -- meaning they aren't alerting because they see the creatures, but rather because they are almost upon them. Because of this, I always assumed it was because they could hear something humans can't, particularly because humans hear whispers and otherwise when they are attacked. Kind of like how dog whistles are painful to dogs ears, but not a frequency we can hear and therefore it doesn't bother us.
IR goggles would probably fix the issue, no visable light to transmit. Or a similar lidar system that just maps geometry, no light information from the thing period.
Military would have this figured out and working on the problem pretty quickly I feel. If they are physical beings they can likely be taken out, just a matter of how tough they are and how they respond to threats at that point.
@@Raven-um2wf No militaries lack problem solving skills and adaptational ones especially the western style ones, i mean just look at western troops and officers fighting/commanding proxy troops in a certain european country whose solution to everything is throw more and more highly expensive tech and manpower at a problem, when it fails do so again and again to no effect then cry how you don't have enough of X because it keeps getting destroyed all while being in denial and drinking their own cool aid about their enemy. Thats just one of two very recent examples but historically this is the trend for military's , occasionally trough pressure some problems can be solved but then again obvious working solution can just as well be flat rejected by troops on the ground i.e. US troops rejecting to use up-gunned tanks in part due to distrust of changes done to system they are familiar with. Meanwhile with every new system the opposing force keeps adapting, rolling out new systems and tactics at insane pace not seen since the same nation was in WW2.
@JunkyardGod some of them are pretty bad about it some are not so bad, I think it's the distance between the optics that might have something to do with it, it's something that can be overcome.
There could also be an issue with specific light patterns, which would be the only way that it would be able to transmit through the cameras. The cameras were either recording in black and white or being displayed in black and white either way the special photons couldn't be transmitted through a camera unless it was related to a specific and special pattern.
Exactly, the weak point in the argument about bio-photons is that they wouldn't be transmitted by the camera. If, OTOH, it is a pattern of flashing lights or a pattern of colors then it could effect people from viewing it on a screen. In real life there is a link between flashing lights and changes in brain function - strobe sensitive epilepsy.
@tektrixter We already know of many ways to immediately induce vomiting through flashing lights and many other things. It could be bio-photons but it can't only be that it must have something else that is major to cause the problems it does. We also know that there are some situations where if scrambling an image will cause vomiting. There were problems with the first few versions of the digi camo uniforms for the military. The airforce and navy had the same problem and that was it made people violently I'll when they looked at them. I like the Bio-photon theory but it's impossible for it to be the only answer.
I was thinking the same thing. First, the camera would need to be able to detect these bio-photons (without being damaged themselves) but even then a screen would be limited to whatever photons could be generated by LEDs/LCDs/whatever they're using. There's got to be more too it. I'd say posdibly some kind of strobing effect (like how flashing lights can cause seizures in some), but that would be offset by a screen's refresh rate. Curious what would happen if they had a camera that rather than video just took a still picture every 5 seconds or so.
Bio-photons also aren't special magic photons, they're just regular photons produced by the body at certain wavelengths. The same wavelengths are produced by the sun too. Photons are photons. LCDs/LEDs also have a very specific frequency ranges, the displays are probably LCD so they're just filtering a fluorescent backlight. The cameras in the movie were also very obviously recording in black and white. They aren't going to transmit any magic photons to the displays, and very likely would disrupt any sort of hypnotic pattern if that's what it is because of things like refresh rates and the like. It would have been better if they had just not recorded the creatures at all or had been showing them disrupting the cameras to make them useless.
@@NinbyoYES! I was cringing a bit hard every time there was talk about biophotons. It’s just: stuff is warm, electrons jump, photon is released. Although it could be dangerous if these were gamma rays but I guess that would would result in a few more issues where blindfolds might not help that much.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE THIS THEORY. I think they are still lovecraftian monsters, but the actual physics of how an indescribable horror (well, describable in this case) would affect a human brain is fascinating!
What's interesting though, is that nowhere has free healthcare. You just pay ahead of time with taxes, whether or not you use it. And everyone shares the bill. Kinda like health insurance. Or exactly like it, really.
things they needed to try; looking at it through a mesh like the inside door of your microwave, looking through a color filter, looking through a welding hood... but of course in this situation, i would not be the first to volunteer. Id just go underground and spend the next 3 months living off my canned goods and water pantry, praying a solution comes along before my food is gone. or, praying enough humans are gone that i can go out and forage with my eyes covered and not being harmed by my fellow humans. panicking/starving people are still the biggest threat, no matter how bad the monster.
7:10 other research has shown that blue light makes no difference at all on your ability to sleep. The real problem is how electronic devices keep our brains entertained/agitated or something like that.
See I believe this more than I do this blue light stuff. I always am on my phone when I get home from work. But I’m able to go to sleep within 5-15 minutes of laying down every time. 5 minutes if me n the fiance just want to sleep. 15+ if we talking and stuff and typically I still fall asleep even mid convo lol. Even when I use to game all the time I could play for like 2-8 hrs then go lay down and sleep.
Never believed that because I have insomnia and keep myself entertained using my phone so I dont go crazy laying in the dark for hours tossing turning and flailing my legs until i finally feel sleepy. Putting all my devices up for a couple hours before trying to sleep changes nothing for me
ONCE AGAIN ASKING ROANOKE GAMING TO COVER PACIFIC RIM! If he does not, we shall remove his blindfold and expose him to the horror of the anglerfish on repeat!
3:50 absolutely hate those migraines, but I’ve learned what triggers them for me. Two main triggers are hersheys chocolate and a specific type of fluorescent tube lights. I was getting them every other week from a building using those lights.
The ocular migraine thing is crazy, I get them too. The outside of your vision gets sparkly/ fuzzy/ staticky and it feels like you cant really focus on anything. Like your brain registers that you are looking at things but at the same time, if you try to focus on anything, its like there's an empty dot in the middle of your vision. And it can happen even without your head hurting. My neurologist was able to diagnose this through a video call.
I mean, usa its a pretty large country and its probably that they lost conection with other garrisons so its normal that inclusive if that worked, the military wouldnt be so frecuent to see.
I definitely want to see you cover some of Stargate. Wraith, Asgard, Jaffa, Goaul'd.. Wraith are definitely my recommendation for the theory of their evolution, their feeding on humans, their reproduction and also their overall appearance and capabilities. Edit: I will rob a bank if you don't
Yes there's so many good topics in Stargate, oh man what I would give for Stargate videos, I would be the day blah blah of asking Roanoke for subnautica guy but damn I'd get close
In the books it's explained that the Wraith were the human victims of Ancients experiments using the Iratus bugs in an attempt to access the bugs' longevity. The survivors of this experiment are the forebears of the Wraith and one of them even uses the same cruel methods to turn Rodney into a Wraith (although he is later successful turned back into a human before the transformation became permanent). They called themselves "the Wraith" because they consider themselves the vengeful ghosts of their "dead" human selves and all those other humans of their planet who didn't survive the Ancients' experiment. "Todd" was one of these Originals and his Wraith name is "Seerer" since he lost his memory of his human name. Also, fun fact: the young Wraith girl Shepard's team stumbled on (and accidentally caused the death of) was in fact Todd's lost daughter.
In the book’s sequel, the kids were able to look at them and not lose their minds. Something about using reflective sunglasses to make the monsters see themselves. And then, in the final chapter of the book, Mallory does this, and something within her tries to fly away, but she’s able to catch it and feel it back.
4:55 Alpha radiation cannot penetrate the skin. But if ingested in some form, it is one of the most hazardous forms of radiation. Could be a spin off that.
12:50- computer monitors do not replicate the same photon they see through a camera lens, they capture the RGB values and estimate it at each pixel. This point doesn't make sense with the idea that the wavelength of light the monsters emit would cause damage to the human brain, it would still just be a specific combination of red green and blue. Maybe there is something to the frequency idea that they pulse at a specific frequency that somehow interferes with human survival instincts, but that is a very different point.
Man I was fortunate to have a friend who also suffers from ocular migraines finally clue me into what those darn color shifties on my eyesight was and didnt have to waste money
The original creatures were worm like with giant baby heads(look it up, they’re hilarious). Sandra Bullock couldn’t keep a straight face while filming with the puppet they had so the directors decided it was better to remove them completely, lest the audience have the same reaction.
If i remember right that monster look was because Bullock's character having a fear of having kids, the creatures look different for everyone. Which would be difficult to get across with the goofy baby slug thing being the only one seen.
To be fair it’s actually completely impossible to design a creature that would make humans commit suicide en masse and if you did there’d be serious problems
I’m at 9:04 and my brain is immediately going “well what if these animals give off acute radiation poisoning similar to blue light but on a much higher scale? That would damage the ocular nerves and cells in the iris.” Well I suppose I’ll see if I’m right as the video goes on, keep up the amazing work Roanoke!
9:52 they may be prey animals using a defense mechanism similar to a squid, just a theory but it’s a high possibility seeing as they are blatantly non hostile and passively create the damage. Birds being able to sense this creature is very interesting and may be a very cool thing to hear about later, I’ll post another comment here when I get another idea
10:35 the old guy is acting probably how I would in this situation, we don’t know what else could affect humans from this in different ways, people with higher tolerance to whatever is going on may even be untrustworthy almost like a host for a parasite
10:45 if they can be affected through a screen this means the creatures emit more of a light source in ways maybe the human eye can’t handle, which could still cause cell regression and death
11:27 we don’t get to see the creature but it affects the physical world in terms of wind, which may indicate a large wingspan of a bird like creature. This is a huge maybe and it’s based off the premise of the movie being titled bird box.
12:54 a resonant frequency, or maybe something extremely erratic and unpredictable, perhaps even something that can alter the human fight or flight response in such a way that it causes the fight flight and freeze to all go off at once colliding in on itself
Wow all this time I thought what everyone in the movie was seeing was a live MGK guitar performance, it made perfect sense to me why they all self deleted after seeing that, I know I almost did when I saw it online.
6:30 always trips me up that our eyes are connected CRISS CROSS INSIDE US TO THE BRAIN IM LIKE...NO THE RIGHT HALF RIGHT EYE LEFT HALF LEFT EYE BUT NOPE lmao
I love reading through all the ideas and theories about what hidden monsters are. Angels, gods, lovecraftian nighmares, the possibilities go on. Although what id love more is to see Roanoke cover the monster from Indigenous (2014)
It’s amazing that someone puts so much effort to rationally and scientifically explain the entities’ when it really looks like the movie authors just went with entities being spiritual/extradimensional and all their effects are “because magic”
IMO, the camera scene is probably the worst concept in the story. Seeing a digital image being able to do the same as seeing the creature directly implies that you can in theory generate an image (or a set of images if the effect requires seeing a "sequence") that will produce the same effect. That would suggest that humans could discover the effect naturally/randomly (perhaps at a less intense level) and fine tune the process of generating these images until they can be weaponized, so creatures wouldn't even be necessary.
I agree, the ability for the effect to take place over electronic representations of the data on a computer, even with lost visual clarity due to the nature of the technology, makes it seem like it's not as precise and special as it seems. If it can be reproduced on just any computer monitor regardless of visual clarity and physical proximity to the source, then it's very possible to weaponize. It's almost like a cognito-hazard where merely being aware of it is enough to have an effect. The only issue is getting the information of what it looks like without viewing it or triggering the effect - gonna lose a lot of people trying to figure that out just so that we can recreate and use it. I just find it impossible, but it does add a lot of danger to the monster if you can't even google what it looks like, lmao.
This is likely due to the creatures being eldrich in nature, meaning they are incomprehensible to human minds, causing a self-destruct in the brain making you self-delete. (think how Cthulhu cases madness in all who sees it.)
The problem with the "bio photon" idea is, definitively, the camera and monitor. The "bio photons" or any photons would hit the lens of the camera and end there. From there, it's essentially two machines breaking down, communicating, and reinterpreting the information - not a series of reflective surfaces for a photon to bounce off of and hit your eye.
The biophoton theory wouldnt make sense if digital media still carried the same effect. Digital representation of the creature should be limited to the visual range i.e no UV radiation etc.
My other hypothesis is that these are Angels (as per the “end of times” reference) manifesting to take your soul to a different realm like “heaven” or some other plane of existence, where your physical body is neither needed nor able to exist. The act of looking at one of them creates a connection where the “angel” is able to peer into the person’s mind/soul revealing its full angelic nature which the brain is unable to comprehend. This allows the “angel” to absorb (or just sever) the “soul” from the body which leaves the now soulless body to die. The drive to self-terminate could be a preexisting mechanism activated by the “soul” or an instruction planted into the mind where echoes of consciousness are enough to carry it out.
Well that runs contrary to most religious beliefs then. Because animals would all be required to have souls too. Not saying that they wouldn't, but many who subscribe to those beliefs are very salty about their insistence that humans are the only creatures to possess souls.
@ but the creatures don’t cause animals to go suicidal so maybe this would actually confirm that humans are either the only beings with a soul or the only ones that the “angels” are there for. Or maybe humans are able to perceive them through sight but unable to comprehend them resulting in their brains going haywire. Since this is just fiction there are many possibilities as to where they came from and why now. Maybe they once visited the Earth before moving on and sowing the seeds of life in other corners of the universe. Now, they’ve returned to check on their “garden” and “harvest” the spiritual energy and memories to enrich their collective and evolve. Maybe they are extra-dimensional, and their manifestations are inherently unstable and incomprehensible which is why they don’t have a single shape or body but are kinda ethereal. Just like angels have had different depictions over time, some quite grotesque. Maybe our consciousness emerges from the sum total of the quantum states within the particles, atoms, molecules and cells in our bodies and the beings are feeding off of that like energy (knowledge IS power after all) that is worth the effort to seek out and acquire. Since reading a quantum state of a system unavoidably destroys said state, a complete readout of a person’s mind/soul would cause Theia-knows-what to a conscious mind. Most probably it would melt but maybe this act would be like sucking out the person’s soul leaving an empty shell.
My entire theory was based around the “forbidden knowledge” thing. Where once laying eyes on one of these being its transmits some sort of unwanted knowledge that drives us crazy.
Just because things appear apocalyptic at the moment doesn't mean a better world cannot be born from the ashes of the old one. Be strong until you're 110% sure the situation is without a doubt completely irredeemable, then act accordingly to what feels the best for you.
2 of my friends from highschool - brother/stater - both developed schizophrenia at age 17 to 19, one more severe than the other. It’s wild how genetically linked it is, and yes smoking weed can trigger it if you’re prone to the potential of getting it
Monsters sound to me like demons/angels. Multiple biblical references of angels appear in blinding light and can drive you mad if you look upon them; and demons are often described as appearing in the guise of angels to lead people astray
@jamescampbell6724 schizophrenia is caused by damaged dopamine receptors, damaged dopamine, and damaged dopamine production in the brain. Anything that gives you a dopamine high can damage those receptors, and anything that effects those receptors negatively can damage them. Memory loss, amnesia, dementia, anxiety, depression, hallucinations, phsycosis, and phsycotic disorders are caused by damaged dopamine receptors. THC causes your brain to flood itself with dopamine, which can damage your dopamine receptors and production. The more dopamine released at once, the more damage it does. CBD has been found to indirectly interact with and repair both dopamine receptors and production. CBD also counteracts the effects of THC. Due to the entourage effect within cannabis it is both safe and impossible to be used in pharmaceuticals. There are 4,000 cannabinoids in cannabis and each one only works properly when al cannabinoids are present and in proper ratios. Because of this THC is relatively safe to consume when the entourage effect is in play, but it can turn lethal and will do permanent and severe brain damage to anyone who consumes pure thc without the entourage effect. CBD has a large number of medical benefits, which makes it perfect for treating a large number of medical conditions. With the entourage effect, you need a low dose of cbd in order to get its medical effects. Without the entourage effect, you need to increase the dose anywhere from 10 times to 100 times to get the same results. The maximum safe daily does of CBD is about 2,400 mg. It's been found to treat schizophrenia well for a few months at a dose of 600mg to 800mg a day, but it lost its effectiveness after a while. CBD has also been found to treat asthma if taken orally as it's an anti inflammatory like most asthma medications, it treats epilepsy extremely well and it treats any conditions caused by low dopamine and damaged dopamine receptors. Cbg or cbc is what treats cancer as it slows cancer growth and spread, cbn is a powerful sedative. Every one of the 4,000 chemicals in cannabis has a medical use, but they stop working right if one of the 4,000 other chemicals are removed. Also medical grade Marijuana either has such low thc levels that it has no effect, or it has no thc at all removing the risks associated with cannabis. If there's no thc then the dose has to be higher than the medical Marijuana with trace amounts of thc. Also you can't get high on medical Marijuana due to the low levels of thc. High thc Marijuana is only used for recreational purposes and all of it has a chance of giving you schizophrenia if you take to much
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Roanoke fellow Georgian here why haven't you reviewed the ending of Dead Island sequel and the whole "built in prion genocide" ending????
This movie has to sequels by the way.
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Do you think that one they could possibly cause these types of “episodes” in people with what we know about the human brain at this present time? It should be possible I think with all the meds that affect our brain a Dr may prescribe to help certain disorders.
I always assumed what was going on in Birdbox was that the monster is from a higher plane of existence and our minds couldn’t comprehend it and it drives us crazy
I agree the angels in the Bible say to people “don’t fear” if you understand what biblical angels look like (tons of eyes, four faces, 4 or more wings and even in fire). It’s something so scary your brain freaks out
@@rookholgado and yet people try to make them look pretty lol.
@@Darqshadow right lol I guess that’s why we’re not suppose to depict heavenly beings because they are terrifying irl 😂
@@Darqshadow ell that and they can just show up as a dude, depends on the situation.
I mean some old guy tells you a flood is coming, you might blow it off.
Now if it is a giant set of gold rings with 10K eyes and 10K wings, you might believe it.
@@rookholgadothe Bible instructing people to "fear not", is like the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy telling you "Don't Panic".
Stupid and regrettable things occur when fearful people decide in a panic
It's also worth noting the vast majority of the population with schizophrenia aren't living in institutions, they manage to live normal lives while managing their condition with medication and/or therapy
And from the sounds of it, anyone with eye damage (even if they’re not fully blind) may be similarly able to look at them without suffering the full impact
Some research suggests that schizophrenia might be the later manifestation of early childhood insult to the cerebellum.
The idea is that the cerebellum is an area responsible for coordination and thoughts become miscoordinated if there's an insult (either illness or injury) to that part of the noggin.
After hearing about it, I remember thinking "and this is why you don't shake babies nor hit kids in the head".
Anyways, thats the rough idea about one way schizophrenia could develop (it being a collection of symptoms and not a discrete disease in and of itself).
Getting laser eye surgery renders you immune.@@carmillaaaa
I'd imagine a full-fledged psychopath and other similar conditions could view the thing with zero effects whatsoever as they lack any ability to process emotions.
@ejb992 psychopaths process emotions differently.
Without the ability to have emotions we seem to lack the ability to prioritise and subsequently lose the ability to function as one typically would expect a human to function.
Long story short: people without emotion are also without ability to prioritise.
Everything is just as urgent or unimportant as any thing else
Pretty sure they're just straight up Lovecraft Abominations. One of the insane dude's drawings is literally Cthullu
Roanoke hypothesized that the way we perceive these creatures could be affected by the brain damage which brought hallucinations and stuff. I'd say it's more likely the guy drew Cthulu because it's a concept we're aware of and it's easy to hallucinate something familiar like Cthulu. What they actually look like is likely different, but I wouldn't be surprised if they had grotesque anatomy. I also wouldn't be surprised if they looked like Lovecraftian abominations, because that's still a possibility.
@@RyuuRider Its kind of funny you say that its a concept we're aware of and its easy to hallucinate it like Cthulu, because the whole point of Cthulu is that, what people see is actually just the closest our minds can get to describing what we're seeing without our brains melting into sludge. Cthulu doesnt actually look like a giant weird fish octopus faced thing, but its the closest thing we can get to a depiction without sizzling our gray matter on a hot frying pan.
@@SunTzu176 Cthulhu is terrestrial not an octopus or fish at all. Varuna once ruled this planet till the triad of entities each equal in strength came from the stars and stopped Varuna's xenoforming Earth dead in its tracks. R'leyh is the city and tomb for Cthulhu and spawn. I looked up the word and found it is based on "rely" which can mean restrain. Which the fire sign is trapped by water. Lovecraft possibly got the idea from reading Hindu texts of his grandfather's library where he would read about Varuna the first "God of the Air" and ruler of Earth. It took 3 other gods to fetter him into the briny deep.
The 3 are; foremost among the many Hindu gods and goddesses are the Holy Triad of Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva, the creator, sustainer, and destroyer of worlds (in that order). Sometimes, the three may appear in the form of an avatar, embodied by a Hindu god or other shapes each as strong as Varuna to put he and his minions into Yamas/R'leyh trapped for a long time.
@@SunTzu176 Yeah, the way people seem to perceive them here is pretty in-line with how people perceive entities like Cthulhu in the Lovecraft Mythos. The human mind TRIES to process what it's looking at, but it's so complex and alien that the mind just kind of fills in gaps to create something somewhat recognizable. Which honestly makes sense since that's kind of how the human mind tends to work in the real world - when we encounter unknowns, our brains tend to fill in the gaps with something that makes sense to us even when it's inaccurate. It's one of the reasons why shadows can screw with our brains so much and make us misjudge shapes, sizes, and so on and so forth. Especially in the wild, where unrecognizable things tend to poke the survival panic mode button in the primitive lizard part of our brain.
Entities like the ones in Lovecraft lore and this movie just take that to an extreme, with the unrecognizable creature in the shadows being so alien that it straight up overloads the brain instead of just causing it to misinterpret and/or overestimate how threatening the thing it's trying to recognize is.
You can see what they were going to look like in deleted scenes. They had originally intended to show them in the Movie but when they showed the monster to people instead of being scared they laughed so they removed them form the film.
Fun fact when I read the books even dogs will off themselves when they see the creatures. At one point in the book they believe that they can use the dogs like guide dogs. Although that failed miserably. Why birds were left? Unaffected is still a mystery that I'm curious about.
In the book birds kill themselves too. Huge scene at the end of it. It's actually where the title of the book comes from. So many birds around them, raining down with their bodies. Blocking out everything, like a box of birds. Trapped in a bird box.
@@eliminshrintar That.. doesn't sound like a very clear metaphor--
@@ctdaniels7049probably because it’s not a metaphor, it’s very literally a bird box.
@@eliminshrintardid they built wall with their body??
@@ctdaniels7049 You'll shake off that decade of english class pretentious drivel sooner or later, don't worry
Fun fact the original design for the birdbox monsters was originally going to be giant ugly babies but the movie's director said no it would be scarier if we never see the monsters
Best decision ever.
@josephbryanasuncion4904 exactly what the assistant to the director said
Glad he decided that because gaint ugly babies sound goofy as hell
@ArishemTheJudge-19 that was the initial situation when they saw the art made by the writer of birdbox they couldn't stop laughing at it
@@ArishemTheJudge-19You should see the ending of Drakengard 1. Giant flying demon babies kill everyone.
This movie, the Happening, and the crazies hit me like no other movies. Like having your self control taken from you, then being forced to hurt yourself or the people you care about. Its terrifying.
That nick cage movie with parents marking offspring too.
You would enjoy the movie The Wailing
you might like the sadness if you can deal with the hellscape of the gore
@@brandondoane332 Movie is Called Mom & Dad and it was farking awesome
That’s the point, it’s a scary concept but it has no basis in reality
If I remember correctly, the aliens in Birdbox book didn't mean to cause this. They just popped up on Earth to either observe humans, make contact with them and/or were on vacation. They have no clue that the reason the humans are acting like that was because of them. A example, near the end of the book, when one of the aliens try to take the blindfold off. The lead screams to don't touch it and that it was her's. Upon request, the alien let go and walked away. Showing that they have the intelligence to understand and travel to Earth, but not understanding that they are the reason why the humans are offing themselves.
They might just not care. They were either dumped on earth by another more intelligent species, or by some unknown series of events, OR they're very aware of their affect on humans.
It might not have been intentional originally...but it was likely so after the initial episodes arose, either due to purposeful decision or apathy.
This makes me want to read the book now, thank you. 😊
sounds like the book does a better job at describing what's actually going on, and the movie is just following mom of boy and girl from apocalypse's start
So has thousands of humans look at it and instantly off themselves, hmm that's weird flys off to the next person haha
@PQUNDCAKE I believe so. A RUclipsr who compares the books and the movie describes it better. I just can't remember his name.
Hearing you talk about photons just made me go "AH got it. The creatures just have atrocious vibes"
Hence the cosmic horror.
Fucking Linda from HR is one for sure.
@@herboilingpoint *me clawing my eyes out when I see that the Eldritch being has no drip.*
Neurological Apocalypse would be an amazing album name.
My new band name - Neuropocalpyse.
That's actually bad tf ass@@clutch2827
@@clutch2827 don’t take his idea and then put your own spin on it!
@@experienceofchris1108 too late
@@clutch2827 arrrrgggghhh you!
The digital monitor not helping I think disproves the biophoton theory. Digital images are usually 8 bits per color channel for a total of 24 bits or 16mil unique colors. So whatever light comes off of these monsters would either not be picked up by the camera at all or be converted into one of those colors (like how your phone's camera can convert infrared light into the visible spectrum and you can see it in the viewfinder).
Heah, roanoke very inteligent with the biology. Technology, not so much. He's basically saying you can get vision damage by looking at a photo of the sun for too long. Obviously not true when put like that, but in a mythical setting, looking at the suicide light on a screen also shouldnt be able to do anything to you.... I'm honnestly just pinning this one on some supernatural entity / government experiment gone wrong. Or aliens. Or simply an scp or something.
Edit: saw on another comment equating this to an SQL injection attack (government military project akin to the heart attack gun or nasty soundwaves?) basically sending a coded signal to hack some biological process on an instincual level. Hypnosis.
yeah it's obviously not energy they are absorbing, but information. Some sort of information is passed to those that look at them, which takes over. A sort of visual virus, I guess.
@SpahGaming although this is obviously down to debate and whatever you believe in but I like the idea of how in real life angels and God himself is taught that his true form is so overwhelming for humans that it drives them crazy and that's basically what's happening so what I think is that the creature is so overwhelming to look at that drives them crazy in a single glance then it triggers a primal thing in animals and humans alike that drives them to simply just stop existing immediately
But the conversion of the signal could still happens. Like how our brain can fill in color even when there isn’t any. It could be like a specific puls length or pattern that causes the damage. Which is then converted to RGB since most cameras are able to pick up other forms of light like how Face ID works and how infrared cameras work. Which as soon as our brain recieves the pattern it starts to destroy itself. Those cameras were also infrared as they had night vision which means that the bio light could be within that range. To my knowledge it hasn’t been confirmed what the limit to bio light range could be.
@@josephackerman1907 The problem is that it has been confirmed what range of light a monitor can emit. Monitors are actually very limited compared to the real world. The number of colors and color combinations and monitor can generate is limited. Even if it were somehow a specific combination of colors, the limited number of colors that a monitor can emit means that it is absolutely guaranteed that that combination of colors has been shown to a person before without it affecting them.
So it can't be related to color.
The only way that this functions through a monitor is if it's the shape of the creature that somehow triggers the biological reaction, not light.
I’ve always wondered how they could look so devestated but happy at the same time. I know that they are supposed to be monsters but the way that the creatures were framed always reminded me of how in Greek mythology, mortals were unable to look at the pure form of the gods. Like they were overwhelmed by the sight of the gods in their most pure form and it literally drove them crazy, kinda like the victims of the creatures in bird box! Sorry for rambling, great video as always!
I think you made your point without rambling, also found room to compliment our man too. Good on yah. 😀
Yeah the only way the movie makes sense is if their demons or gods or something
i always thought the same thing, some type of eldritch god
its similar in christianity as well looking at the true form of god or even a angel would result in a person immiedatly turning to ash or salt with a experssion of fear and awe like lots wife.
@@strawberrylotlizard no it isn't except for those who see things that way. I prefer Roanoke's point of view.
I also had ocular migraines as a kid, and throughout my teens. I was kicked in the head by a horse when I was 10. I grew out of them, thank god, but they'd leave me paralyzed with pain, completely blind and throwing up. The light/sound sensitivity was the worst, though... A stray bit of sunlight would leave me curled up in a ball, or a phone ringing across the house. They'd crop up at school, always preceded by a slowly growing patch of 'shimmer', which would come to dominate my vision. As it grew, so did the pain, until I was completely disabled, laying in the darkened nurse's room, until my mom could come pick me up. I distinctly remember *not* remembering the trip home, a few times, and I know the pain got so bad I'd hallucinate. They'd last about 8 to 10 hours, and leave me physically and emotionally exhausted. I'd have about three a month. The doctors couldn't do anything for me. Nothing wouldn't touch the pain. They just chocked it up to the brain damage (severe concussion from the kick, and in a brief coma, which I woke up from quickly) and hoped it'd eventually pass. It did, but the imprint it left on my life is profound. I'm physically sick when someone is hurting... it brings me instantly back to that place... I'd do anything in my powerful to alleviate suffering in another, but have a nearly superhuman pain tolerance. Trust me, If you ever get an alien parasite, I'm the guy to come to if you need to be put down... I understand.
I felt this so bad it hurt, I had the same thing happen I grew out of it also but it’s still one of the most painful experiences I’ve ever had.
I have had eye migraines twice each time with impaired vision no pain and I have suffered for decades with head splitting headaches now I have them under control.
For some reason, when I get sick to my stomach I also develop bad migraines, but not nearly as bad as the ones you have described. However, I do understand the light sensitivity and increasingly horrible, debilitating pain. For me I almost always throw up and the pain begins to subside afterward. This is what leads me to believe it's from food somehow.
I feel like I have been through a fraction of that, and I can nearly imagine what you mean. Congrats on growing out of them. I've had kidney stones too and that doesn't even seem as bad as these migraines.
Wait you can grow out of migranes? I've had chronic migranes my entire life. I'm on medication but it's not preventative - only meant to stop a migraine once it starts (so I'm still in pain and light/sound sensitivity, etc for only an hour, not all day)
Damn. At most regular migraines caused difficulty breathing and left me bedridden, but this sounds like nightmare. I grew out of mine as well.
Lovecraft characters often fell into deep madness upon looking at cosmic entities. It’s an old idea but Bird Box expanded on it.
A fantastic idea really. Another Lovecraft inspired movie not based on any of his work. The concept is there.
Eldritch horrors!
@@randallbesch2424 thats biblical buddy calm down
@@bboywolf its not please dont embarass yourself not everyone is schizophrenic enough to be christian
Idk about expanded, definitely repeated / copied
28:50 madd respect for Tom. The man went out totally selflessly.
that was his family, he did what he had to do for them to survive
All I know is, I'd be dead day 1.
Someone tells me that I can't look at something, you bet your ass that I'm going to look at that thing ASAP.
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This is exactly why natural selection exists.
Id probably get to be one of the crazies so I'd live a little bit longer yay
I'd fight you to look first ngl
Maybe you're built different though.
this movie is so funny for some reason, we're like 'omg how did these ppl managed to survive' and then its because theyre blind, fucking hilarious
Or have mental illnes ?
Idk but some patients from the asylum where offing people by themselves and all.
So, we have the "don't look" monsters and the "don't speak" (Quiet Place) monsters.
I guess there must be a "don't listen" monster movie in the works so we get the whole "...no evil" trilogy.
Then the studio(s) get greedy and we get the "don't smell", "don't taste" (?!!?) and "don't touch" spin-offs.
With a direct-to-streaming "don't think" movie, that no one admits to having ever seen (but turned out to be a guilty pleasure).
There is a movie roanoke covered I think a year ago where human language becomes infected by some kind of virus so people scramble to not listen to stuff.
There is the whole language triggered parasite thing in MGS V.
@@Dinidanexactly what I was thinking as soon as he said that lmao
"Don't touch" can be any zombie movie, but I elect "The Thing" to be the exemplar. "Don't smell" has that one apocalyptic movie where the plants decide enough is enough and they release some kind of pheromone that makes humans go absolutely cuckoo in the head.
Its called pontypool@@foxmulder6695
Something I was wondering is... seizures.
For some people flashing lights can cause seizures, so what if it is something like that?
A specific wave length of light or energy that sort of trips a specific part of our brain into having seizures. This seizures typically cause someone to want to off themselves. However, for a select few with slight altered brain chemistry like a mental illness it affects other parts of the brain.
I kind of agree. Facts we have:
1# Works over video (which can only represent a small subset of the electromagnetic spectrum aka 'light frequency').
2# Legally blind people, and blind folds that stop ~95% of vision seems to offer perfect protection.
That tells me this is is kind of like an SQL injection attack; you need the entire command for it to 'work'. Almost like the monster has a metaphorical sign on it that says 'drop table human_sanity and human_logic;'. That would explain why this can be done over video and why it only works on humans.
@@chriss8825 I'm still sussed out by the "can be done over video part" Let's take it to the logical extreme, what if a simple light detector looked at the entity? You would get a single pixel from 0-255 brightness. Obviously this can't hypnotise someone. Double the resolution. A 2x2 checker square of pixels, still very comprehensable. Quadruple that, 8x8, you're at 80's video game sprites now... Could that kill you? Quadruple that again. Now we're at 32x32, very tiny pfps are dissernable at this resolution. Could you die by looking at a tiny youtube profile on a list. I mean your brain can see hundreds of them on a monitor before you conciously look at the correct image.
How many doublings of a simple monochrome image until the mind gets tricked? What if someone were to run a hd image into an image2image AI? What would it spit out? I'd assume it would simply crash or something boring like that. But fundimentally, what is the difference for a set of data for a computer to process and display?
What if you were to apply loads of video effects to a cctv feed? wobble distort, hue shift. Or crop it to only see half the creature? or a quater? Or use the same method i mentioned earlier of looking at one pixel at a time?
Hell, what about those robots that can put pen to paper based on an image given to them, how would that fair? Again, if that Idea was implemented in a sequel, the writers would have the robot "burn out" and crash just before drawing it, for suspence.
But WHYYYY. It's already shown that computers can process it perfectly fine, and other animals can as well, but there HAS to be some reductive limit to be able to depict these creatures, even in an abstract way that humans should be able to comprehend.
Exactly what I thought
@@SpahGamingSeems more like it's more difference of frequencies than specific frequencies. Like seizures are triggered with difference between light and dark in sequence. It also seems like protective mechanism from people, because if they don't die they admire the source, so it's either technical or evolution result for those creatures. It makes me wonder how prone to schizophrenia were prehistoric people
But video does not even reconstruct the visible spectrum at all. It just reconstructs RGB, so three channels, from the entire visible spectrum. And in the movie he was watching grayscale image without color at maybe 24fps. So neither the photon frequencies nor the blinking frequencies are reconstructed. 24fps for example means it can reconstruct okay-ish, up to 12Hz blinking. That is a VERY limited range of stuff to be that effective.
I like 'drop table human_sanity and human_logic;' explanation though :D, and obviously it could be some kind of a "magic" attack similar to the SQL example.
For example in some stories of magic, there are some spells which only affect you if you actually read them, if you cannot read it for whatever reason it does not work.
This movie reminded me of the time I caused a wasp colony to self destruct.
Play boy brown sugar cinnamon body spray.
The wasps that came near me started attacking each other near immediately.
It was utter Chaos, so i sprayed the hole nest. They literally tore each other apart to the last wasp.
Many were actively eating their own wings on the ground.
This is useful information.
Chemical warfare Sadam would be proud of 🥹
You've saved lives here
I’m so proud of you
I actively preform head surgery on wasps whenever I find them
Angels when they forget to say "fear not".
4:04 I always crack up when a classic car pops up because I know Roanoke talks about them both because he wants to and because it bugs the crap out of some very salty people
It bugs me because I have absolutely no idea what the hell he's talking about 😂😂
It probably forces people to permanently lose the ability to automatically breathe. The utter horror of life like that.
I am reminded of the game Manual Samuel.
I always saw the creatures as something so abhorrent that it shatters people's sensibilities. Just starts causing immense stress and basically drives people insane. And then people that have issues with their world perception already are more into it like a person inspired by Saw vs being grossed out or whatever.
The physical eye reaction I kind of figured was just an aesthetic choice for tension, but extreme stress can cause vessels to break but it makes more sense than monster shoots lasers into people's eyes that melts some people's brains.
I got ocular migraines for a few years. I saw kaleidoscopic fractals in the left side of my vision, spreading through to the right side. They lasted about 30 minutes each. Thankfully mine never really hurt, they just left my eyes sore for a few hours.
But y'all should know, these are also symptoms of retinal detachment. If you experience this, you should absolutely see a doctor as quickly as possible, within a few days. The sooner you're diagnosed with retinal detachment, the easier it is to repair.
Roanoke is an anglerfish sleeper agent
Awaiting the call of Cthulhu.
He stokes the fires of hatred to mask his own intent. He awaits the call.
I read it on the internet so it must be true
I made angler tree frogs
Bird Box is just The Happening, but with vision instead of scent.
Thank you. i dont know why everyone kept comparing it to a quiet place instead of the happening
@@choshow86 Most likely because it came out around the same time as A Quiet Place, and both share a similar premise baring a sense change, hence the comparison.
Exsactly!
@@choshow86 in my opinion it was just as bad and poorly done as "The happening". M Night Shamalan is just not my cup of tea.
He might have done two okay movies, but the urge to always have a dumb twist made it unwatchable for me. You always expect a twist now in his movies and it's often so dumb, so corny or just plain silly to even have the premise best example "The visit"
@@theblackbaron4119why did you comment this to him? Why would that dude care? 😂
They say it's visions of angler fish that cause the people to self-destruct
My biggest gripe with the movie is: The man with Sandra has like fully developed and visible musculature like he regularly goes to the gym despite them being years into the hostile living situation in the movie
I got a news flash for ya. Once you develop muscle, it sticks around unless you are literally starving to death.
@@chrislawson3418news flash for ya, muscle starts to wither away within weeks of inactivity
@chrislawson3418 bruv I lose muscle when I skip gym for a few months
That’s your biggest gripe? Not the fact that the entire premise is ridiculous
@@Conqueror25 hit ur daily protein bruv, the guy in the movie obviously hit his 😤😤
in the second film it is Shown that the aliens are physical in nature since they could capture one, but also some peoples can develop resistance to the mental manipulations and ocular attack.
There’s a second bird box film?
@@brotherkhrayn3525yep
@@brotherkhrayn3525 Yeah, takes place in Spain. Actually not half bad.
name?? @@VagrantS0ul
@@brotherkhrayn3525 yep
I wanna see/hear Roanoke’s take on The Andromeda Strain. It’s right up his alley
Excellent movie. One of my favorites
They already say in the movie all the things he would say.
Yesssss.
24:07 the brown noise doesn’t actually exist Roanoke, the myth busters even disproved it😂
If it were real it would be a crazy good solution for constipation
I came to say the same thing
There's a mobile game I play and one of the sound effects has such a weird frequency that it makes my stomach muscles activate. But there's no noise that will just make you shit lol
More visibility for your comment because it's hilarious that he just slipped that in there. 😅😂
I've personally head cannoned the creatures of Birdbox as a sort of informational prion where decoding their appearance is what screws up normal thinking patterns.
I'm a simple man. I see a Roanoke upload, I watch, I like
The problem with a non-supernatural answer is that regardless of how they attack your eyes, you'll only ever see part of what a camera records at the frequency and intensity of whatever monitor you're using. It makes little sense viewing it that way could be harmful and even if it was, invert the colors and set it at 4 or 5 frames per second. You'd be a little laggy but good enough to survive.
I believe that the creatures use memetic effects to drive humans into suicidal (and homicidal) trance.
Specifically, effects targeting eyesight.
Something similar to kill agents used by the O5s in the SCP universe.
It has really strong cognitohazard vibes. Honestly this kind of monster would fit perfectly well in the SCP universe.
Kinda like an effed up version of Dr Who's Silence
I've had optical migraine a few times. It happens when your brain is inflamed, but rather then the swelling pushing against the inside of your skull and thus causing pain, the swelling is pushing against the optical nerve, squeezing it. This causes sections of your vision to become like static, and it also tends to grow and move.
Also, it's cheaper to fly to Europe and get an appointment with a doctor, then to consult one in the US... :P
You sound very privileged. It costs a lot of money to move to another country and a lot of emotional ties need to be cut. We are struggling in the US and this comment didn’t read the room.
@@asmrtpop2676 you need to improve your reading comprehension.
@@asmrtpop2676Pretty sure they meant to take a fly and comeback, like, next day
@@asmrtpop2676 The poster wasn't intending to MOVE there. Just to see if a doctor there would be able to do the exam without it costing so much money as it does in the States. I would definitely say that you're the only person who chose to be offended by Seedling's comment.
How would it be cheaper to FLY OUT to EUROPE from the US to see a doctor??? Ffs use your brain, international flights cost thousands of dollars.
The victims seem to suddenly realize the incomprehensible truth of the universe...
Which undoubtedly, THE ANGLER FISH
As written in "Outer Wilds" "from all the creatures perishing at the end of the universe the angler fish will be missed the least."
do not look up the spanish word for angler fish
No the writers wanted the characters to commit suicide when they saw it and couldn’t be bothered coming up with a decent reason
@@GBlockbreaker Ain't no way dog lmao
This is textbook Lovecraftian horrors, although I appreciate the effort to explain such a supernatural thing with science
If we were to assume it was a solely supernatural anomaly, it would be classified as a Memetic Cognitogazard in SCP jargon. In short a memetic cognitohazard is any object/entity that causes anomalous behaviours when perceived. In this case it causes an overwhelming urge to self-delete.
In the movie (assuming it is supernatural) it is likely some kind of eldrich anomaly that overwhelms the mind and causes self-deletion. The mass-self-deletion is a clear sign that this is some kind of extermination force that is meant to erase humanity. the fact that there are some people who are seemingly immune/affected differently might be intentional or most likely it is just an unintended effect.
If we are to go with your frequency explanation, think of it like epilepsy, where certain combination of stimuli cause seizures, the frequency of their bio-photons trigger a part of the brain that causes the individual to self-delete.
Did you watch "There Is No Anti-memetic Division"?
@RadAbishai we did, it was great
Memetic cognitohazards aren't strictly supernatural. To parse that term down to its core, memetics are very much real and just handle the sharing of information, and while we haven't yet ran into cognitohazards in their traditional assertion, we have ran into similar phenomena like death cults that are at their core an idea which when shared can lead to self destruction. We also run into Infohazards, sets of information that are dangerous to share, think instructions to make weapons. At the end of the day, our senses are ways to execute arbitrary code on biological machines, be that strobing lights to an epileptic or some yet to be discovered pattern that causes this, and unfortunately our hardware doesn't update quick enough. It's not out of the question.
thats literally what roanoke said throughout this entire video just not in scp terms lol
@headshot531 well we ARE the O-5 council, so it's on brand for us to explain in Foundation terms.
"I need to separate reality from porn"
My guy the entire porn industry needs to do that.
We appreciate the frequent uploads Roanoke but I will continue to ask about your progress on The Strain.
omg yes
What is the strain
It would probably be easier to cover the 3 books and just insert clips from the show
At least your not the subnautica, he was actually getting Annoying
Reaper is just alien anglerfish @@skeeter3969
More paranormal theory. I have heard of a "creature" called a "Tulpa" which is a thought-form of malevolence. It is believed that with meditation one can manifest it into existence. May also be referred to as an Agozyn.
It is an evil entity that causes someone to commit suicide or commit heinous acts. (However,not all Tulpas are created equal.)
Technically, Tyler Durden from Fight Club is a Tulpa. Likewise, Freddy Krueger is also a Tulpa. Both were created as thought forms and both had different physical forms that manifested into existence.
Big fan of looking at movies covered here on the channel as thought experiments.
Great video as always, this is the most engaged I've gotten in the comments 😅
Tulpas aren't necessarily malevolent by definition, just to be clear, though they can be.
@thomasjoychild4962 this is true. Honestly, my first exposure to this concept was from the Pendergast series (The Wheel of Darkness).
I thought of this story when I saw the thumbnail. It's an interesting comparison of changing mentality when exposed to a vision, whether imaginary or something tangable or optically perceived.
That mentioned, you make a good point that Tulpa is a manifestion in of thought. I haven't researched it too much, so I'm currently in a rabbit hole to learn more 😅
@@RenzDavis They're a thought-entity that can end up "getting away" from the person who thought them up and become independent. IIRC they're from Tibetan folklore.
@@thomasjoychild4962 wicked, thanks for the knowledge 🙏
This kind of engagement is cool, don't really get to talk or nerd out much lol.
The tulpa concept was also used in movie "Empty man"
9:37 a very strong sense of foreboding. From what I understand... in the book, the "sanctuary" is a place where people have willingly blinded themselves to remain safe
Something I don't think you consider is that the birds alert prior to the presence of the creatures -- meaning they aren't alerting because they see the creatures, but rather because they are almost upon them. Because of this, I always assumed it was because they could hear something humans can't, particularly because humans hear whispers and otherwise when they are attacked. Kind of like how dog whistles are painful to dogs ears, but not a frequency we can hear and therefore it doesn't bother us.
IR goggles would probably fix the issue, no visable light to transmit.
Or a similar lidar system that just maps geometry, no light information from the thing period.
Military would have this figured out and working on the problem pretty quickly I feel. If they are physical beings they can likely be taken out, just a matter of how tough they are and how they respond to threats at that point.
@Raven-um2wf they definitely would have figured it out, the civilian chaos probably made it look worse than it is.
And if you never wore IR goggles, they mess with your depth perception.
@@Raven-um2wf No militaries lack problem solving skills and adaptational ones especially the western style ones, i mean just look at western troops and officers fighting/commanding proxy troops in a certain european country whose solution to everything is throw more and more highly expensive tech and manpower at a problem, when it fails do so again and again to no effect then cry how you don't have enough of X because it keeps getting destroyed all while being in denial and drinking their own cool aid about their enemy.
Thats just one of two very recent examples but historically this is the trend for military's , occasionally trough pressure some problems can be solved but then again obvious working solution can just as well be flat rejected by troops on the ground i.e. US troops rejecting to use up-gunned tanks in part due to distrust of changes done to system they are familiar with.
Meanwhile with every new system the opposing force keeps adapting, rolling out new systems and tactics at insane pace not seen since the same nation was in WW2.
@JunkyardGod some of them are pretty bad about it some are not so bad, I think it's the distance between the optics that might have something to do with it, it's something that can be overcome.
3:14 Bros never had a kid and it shows
Bring back the angler fish HATE
He has been compromised. We must face the reality and carry on his legacy. That of an angler fish and marine biologist hater. Humanity number 1!
W
The Deep Ones may have gotten to him.
We of the Lophius Piscatorius Sect have risen! Our time is now, so prepare!
It has been replaced with squirt gun Kelly hate which is a much more justified hatred and warranted too.
There could also be an issue with specific light patterns, which would be the only way that it would be able to transmit through the cameras. The cameras were either recording in black and white or being displayed in black and white either way the special photons couldn't be transmitted through a camera unless it was related to a specific and special pattern.
Exactly, the weak point in the argument about bio-photons is that they wouldn't be transmitted by the camera. If, OTOH, it is a pattern of flashing lights or a pattern of colors then it could effect people from viewing it on a screen. In real life there is a link between flashing lights and changes in brain function - strobe sensitive epilepsy.
@tektrixter We already know of many ways to immediately induce vomiting through flashing lights and many other things. It could be bio-photons but it can't only be that it must have something else that is major to cause the problems it does. We also know that there are some situations where if scrambling an image will cause vomiting. There were problems with the first few versions of the digi camo uniforms for the military. The airforce and navy had the same problem and that was it made people violently I'll when they looked at them.
I like the Bio-photon theory but it's impossible for it to be the only answer.
I was thinking the same thing. First, the camera would need to be able to detect these bio-photons (without being damaged themselves) but even then a screen would be limited to whatever photons could be generated by LEDs/LCDs/whatever they're using. There's got to be more too it.
I'd say posdibly some kind of strobing effect (like how flashing lights can cause seizures in some), but that would be offset by a screen's refresh rate.
Curious what would happen if they had a camera that rather than video just took a still picture every 5 seconds or so.
Bio-photons also aren't special magic photons, they're just regular photons produced by the body at certain wavelengths. The same wavelengths are produced by the sun too. Photons are photons. LCDs/LEDs also have a very specific frequency ranges, the displays are probably LCD so they're just filtering a fluorescent backlight. The cameras in the movie were also very obviously recording in black and white. They aren't going to transmit any magic photons to the displays, and very likely would disrupt any sort of hypnotic pattern if that's what it is because of things like refresh rates and the like. It would have been better if they had just not recorded the creatures at all or had been showing them disrupting the cameras to make them useless.
@@NinbyoYES!
I was cringing a bit hard every time there was talk about biophotons.
It’s just: stuff is warm, electrons jump, photon is released.
Although it could be dangerous if these were gamma rays but I guess that would would result in a few more issues where blindfolds might not help that much.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE THIS THEORY. I think they are still lovecraftian monsters, but the actual physics of how an indescribable horror (well, describable in this case) would affect a human brain is fascinating!
Tbh, this sounds like an ability/effect an Eldritch being would have. Very much "why not both?"
They're just a really vivid shade of green and pink that's constantly unfolding itself like a torus.
Source: I made it up
As a resident physician I do appreciate your anatomy/physiology knowledge and ability to integrate it into a movie experience like this one!!
3:35 tell me you have American Healthcare without telling me you have American Healthcare
🎶 We're gonna navigate the American Healthcare system. It's the best system of them aaaaall. 🎶
-Butters
What's interesting though, is that nowhere has free healthcare.
You just pay ahead of time with taxes, whether or not you use it. And everyone shares the bill. Kinda like health insurance. Or exactly like it, really.
@@TheRealAaronSmithkeep coping with lifelong debt and people calling a Uber instead of an ambulance
Hey, aetna is coming for everyone nowadays
@@fernandomoraescrescencio6428it’s takes 6 months to see a physician in Canada , I can see one tomorrow for $14.
things they needed to try; looking at it through a mesh like the inside door of your microwave, looking through a color filter, looking through a welding hood... but of course in this situation, i would not be the first to volunteer. Id just go underground and spend the next 3 months living off my canned goods and water pantry, praying a solution comes along before my food is gone. or, praying enough humans are gone that i can go out and forage with my eyes covered and not being harmed by my fellow humans. panicking/starving people are still the biggest threat, no matter how bad the monster.
7:10 other research has shown that blue light makes no difference at all on your ability to sleep. The real problem is how electronic devices keep our brains entertained/agitated or something like that.
See I believe this more than I do this blue light stuff. I always am on my phone when I get home from work. But I’m able to go to sleep within 5-15 minutes of laying down every time. 5 minutes if me n the fiance just want to sleep. 15+ if we talking and stuff and typically I still fall asleep even mid convo lol. Even when I use to game all the time I could play for like 2-8 hrs then go lay down and sleep.
Never believed that because I have insomnia and keep myself entertained using my phone so I dont go crazy laying in the dark for hours tossing turning and flailing my legs until i finally feel sleepy. Putting all my devices up for a couple hours before trying to sleep changes nothing for me
@@foreverpainful Same here, Dude...I'm just always thinking and thinking.
For reals? Huh. Well, at least blue-light screen filters help with eye strain. I have tender eyes. u_u
@@skullofglory10you have adhd?
ONCE AGAIN ASKING ROANOKE GAMING TO COVER PACIFIC RIM! If he does not, we shall remove his blindfold and expose him to the horror of the anglerfish on repeat!
*They were the old gods and you were staring into eternity which drove most people insane unless they were already insane.*
Biblicly accurate angels: Hey guys whats up we finally came ba---
Everyone: Fuck this shit im *OUT*
“This old guy” sir, that is JOHN MALKOVICH
3:50 absolutely hate those migraines, but I’ve learned what triggers them for me. Two main triggers are hersheys chocolate and a specific type of fluorescent tube lights. I was getting them every other week from a building using those lights.
The people in Bird Box need the special goggles that the SCP foundation uses for objects with memetic effects.
The ocular migraine thing is crazy, I get them too. The outside of your vision gets sparkly/ fuzzy/ staticky and it feels like you cant really focus on anything. Like your brain registers that you are looking at things but at the same time, if you try to focus on anything, its like there's an empty dot in the middle of your vision. And it can happen even without your head hurting. My neurologist was able to diagnose this through a video call.
I wonder what night vision goggles or those solar eclipses googles do in a situation like this
Would be worth a try at least
If they worked the army would be present in the movie and those fanatics wouldn't of lasted long
I mean, usa its a pretty large country and its probably that they lost conection with other garrisons so its normal that inclusive if that worked, the military wouldnt be so frecuent to see.
Doesn’t work probably because even viewing them through a camera doesn’t work and still causes suicide
There's one particular scene where guy sits on a table looking at some drawings that looks freaky, one of them looks like cthulhu.
I definitely want to see you cover some of Stargate.
Wraith, Asgard, Jaffa, Goaul'd..
Wraith are definitely my recommendation for the theory of their evolution, their feeding on humans, their reproduction and also their overall appearance and capabilities.
Edit: I will rob a bank if you don't
Yes there's so many good topics in Stargate, oh man what I would give for Stargate videos, I would be the day blah blah of asking Roanoke for subnautica guy but damn I'd get close
In the books it's explained that the Wraith were the human victims of Ancients experiments using the Iratus bugs in an attempt to access the bugs' longevity. The survivors of this experiment are the forebears of the Wraith and one of them even uses the same cruel methods to turn Rodney into a Wraith (although he is later successful turned back into a human before the transformation became permanent). They called themselves "the Wraith" because they consider themselves the vengeful ghosts of their "dead" human selves and all those other humans of their planet who didn't survive the Ancients' experiment. "Todd" was one of these Originals and his Wraith name is "Seerer" since he lost his memory of his human name. Also, fun fact: the young Wraith girl Shepard's team stumbled on (and accidentally caused the death of) was in fact Todd's lost daughter.
@@skeeter3969 I'll be the guy.
@@CalamityM That's great. But I want Roanoke to cover it and give his opinion
In the book’s sequel, the kids were able to look at them and not lose their minds. Something about using reflective sunglasses to make the monsters see themselves. And then, in the final chapter of the book, Mallory does this, and something within her tries to fly away, but she’s able to catch it and feel it back.
4:55 Alpha radiation cannot penetrate the skin. But if ingested in some form, it is one of the most hazardous forms of radiation. Could be a spin off that.
12:50- computer monitors do not replicate the same photon they see through a camera lens, they capture the RGB values and estimate it at each pixel. This point doesn't make sense with the idea that the wavelength of light the monsters emit would cause damage to the human brain, it would still just be a specific combination of red green and blue. Maybe there is something to the frequency idea that they pulse at a specific frequency that somehow interferes with human survival instincts, but that is a very different point.
Man I was fortunate to have a friend who also suffers from ocular migraines finally clue me into what those darn color shifties on my eyesight was and didnt have to waste money
The original creatures were worm like with giant baby heads(look it up, they’re hilarious). Sandra Bullock couldn’t keep a straight face while filming with the puppet they had so the directors decided it was better to remove them completely, lest the audience have the same reaction.
If i remember right that monster look was because Bullock's character having a fear of having kids, the creatures look different for everyone. Which would be difficult to get across with the goofy baby slug thing being the only one seen.
To be fair it’s actually completely impossible to design a creature that would make humans commit suicide en masse and if you did there’d be serious problems
Plot Twist: The creatures looks like Angler Fish, which caused the people to off themselves
Giant airborne anger fish. It's the light emitting organ causing the damage.
I’m at 9:04 and my brain is immediately going “well what if these animals give off acute radiation poisoning similar to blue light but on a much higher scale? That would damage the ocular nerves and cells in the iris.” Well I suppose I’ll see if I’m right as the video goes on, keep up the amazing work Roanoke!
9:52 they may be prey animals using a defense mechanism similar to a squid, just a theory but it’s a high possibility seeing as they are blatantly non hostile and passively create the damage. Birds being able to sense this creature is very interesting and may be a very cool thing to hear about later, I’ll post another comment here when I get another idea
10:35 the old guy is acting probably how I would in this situation, we don’t know what else could affect humans from this in different ways, people with higher tolerance to whatever is going on may even be untrustworthy almost like a host for a parasite
10:45 if they can be affected through a screen this means the creatures emit more of a light source in ways maybe the human eye can’t handle, which could still cause cell regression and death
11:27 we don’t get to see the creature but it affects the physical world in terms of wind, which may indicate a large wingspan of a bird like creature. This is a huge maybe and it’s based off the premise of the movie being titled bird box.
12:54 a resonant frequency, or maybe something extremely erratic and unpredictable, perhaps even something that can alter the human fight or flight response in such a way that it causes the fight flight and freeze to all go off at once colliding in on itself
Its because they knew about the eldritch angler fish that's been slowly rising to the surface
Wow all this time I thought what everyone in the movie was seeing was a live MGK guitar performance, it made perfect sense to me why they all self deleted after seeing that, I know I almost did when I saw it online.
Honestly I wouldn't take my eyes out, I would just wear blacked out goggles.
Radiation would not travel on the optic nerve. The eyes turn light signals into chemical signals.
Just imagine trapped in the world where you have the Death angels From the silence, and the bird box creatures!
6:30 always trips me up that our eyes are connected CRISS CROSS INSIDE US TO THE BRAIN IM LIKE...NO THE RIGHT HALF RIGHT EYE LEFT HALF LEFT EYE BUT NOPE lmao
I swear that background music is from the menus of The Forest/Sons of The Forest. Great games.
Forest game mentioned 🙌
@@The-Friendly-Jarl Tyty
I love reading through all the ideas and theories about what hidden monsters are. Angels, gods, lovecraftian nighmares, the possibilities go on. Although what id love more is to see Roanoke cover the monster from Indigenous (2014)
It’s amazing that someone puts so much effort to rationally and scientifically explain the entities’ when it really looks like the movie authors just went with entities being spiritual/extradimensional and all their effects are “because magic”
Right, I don't feel like Roanoke explained anything, just sounded like oh you die you eyes hurt. Haha
It was a book because no movies have a single original idea now.
Its obviously the Canadian Healthcare System
IMO, the camera scene is probably the worst concept in the story. Seeing a digital image being able to do the same as seeing the creature directly implies that you can in theory generate an image (or a set of images if the effect requires seeing a "sequence") that will produce the same effect. That would suggest that humans could discover the effect naturally/randomly (perhaps at a less intense level) and fine tune the process of generating these images until they can be weaponized, so creatures wouldn't even be necessary.
I agree, the ability for the effect to take place over electronic representations of the data on a computer, even with lost visual clarity due to the nature of the technology, makes it seem like it's not as precise and special as it seems. If it can be reproduced on just any computer monitor regardless of visual clarity and physical proximity to the source, then it's very possible to weaponize. It's almost like a cognito-hazard where merely being aware of it is enough to have an effect. The only issue is getting the information of what it looks like without viewing it or triggering the effect - gonna lose a lot of people trying to figure that out just so that we can recreate and use it.
I just find it impossible, but it does add a lot of danger to the monster if you can't even google what it looks like, lmao.
This is likely due to the creatures being eldrich in nature, meaning they are incomprehensible to human minds, causing a self-destruct in the brain making you self-delete. (think how Cthulhu cases madness in all who sees it.)
You've discovered antimemetics
The scientific explanations in this were dope. Thanks man. Very entertaining and unexpectedly informative video
The problem with the "bio photon" idea is, definitively, the camera and monitor. The "bio photons" or any photons would hit the lens of the camera and end there. From there, it's essentially two machines breaking down, communicating, and reinterpreting the information - not a series of reflective surfaces for a photon to bounce off of and hit your eye.
Grand Wagoneer with a 304 V8. Drives like a tank.
The male peacock has the most beautiful dance through a Peacock's eyes.
MISTA BOMBAS-TIC
The biophoton theory wouldnt make sense if digital media still carried the same effect. Digital representation of the creature should be limited to the visual range i.e no UV radiation etc.
Not sure if you’ve done this before but you should cover the “Demons” of sons of the forest
My other hypothesis is that these are Angels (as per the “end of times” reference) manifesting to take your soul to a different realm like “heaven” or some other plane of existence, where your physical body is neither needed nor able to exist.
The act of looking at one of them creates a connection where the “angel” is able to peer into the person’s mind/soul revealing its full angelic nature which the brain is unable to comprehend.
This allows the “angel” to absorb (or just sever) the “soul” from the body which leaves the now soulless body to die.
The drive to self-terminate could be a preexisting mechanism activated by the “soul” or an instruction planted into the mind where echoes of consciousness are enough to carry it out.
Yeah but that still suicide cuase the soul can't just leave a run self destruct code on the human body
Well that runs contrary to most religious beliefs then. Because animals would all be required to have souls too. Not saying that they wouldn't, but many who subscribe to those beliefs are very salty about their insistence that humans are the only creatures to possess souls.
@@Lecterl My cats have souls, or are, at least, posessed by demons. I am sure 🙂
@ but the creatures don’t cause animals to go suicidal so maybe this would actually confirm that humans are either the only beings with a soul or the only ones that the “angels” are there for. Or maybe humans are able to perceive them through sight but unable to comprehend them resulting in their brains going haywire.
Since this is just fiction there are many possibilities as to where they came from and why now.
Maybe they once visited the Earth before moving on and sowing the seeds of life in other corners of the universe. Now, they’ve returned to check on their “garden” and “harvest” the spiritual energy and memories to enrich their collective and evolve.
Maybe they are extra-dimensional, and their manifestations are inherently unstable and incomprehensible which is why they don’t have a single shape or body but are kinda ethereal. Just like angels have had different depictions over time, some quite grotesque.
Maybe our consciousness emerges from the sum total of the quantum states within the particles, atoms, molecules and cells in our bodies and the beings are feeding off of that like energy (knowledge IS power after all) that is worth the effort to seek out and acquire.
Since reading a quantum state of a system unavoidably destroys said state, a complete readout of a person’s mind/soul would cause Theia-knows-what to a conscious mind. Most probably it would melt but maybe this act would be like sucking out the person’s soul leaving an empty shell.
I would trust a dog's instinct more than I would ever trust a human. Dogs are always loyal. Semper fidelis.
1:32- There's a second one?
Bird box: Barcelona
What I said out loud in an empty room. lol
I too, was shocked.
From the shadows it shows they looked like the concept art of angels in their natural form
27:31 IT'S BEEN 5 YEARS AND TOM HAS TONED MUSCLES LIKE HE GOES TO THE GYM EVERYDAY. LMAOOO
My entire theory was based around the “forbidden knowledge” thing. Where once laying eyes on one of these being its transmits some sort of unwanted knowledge that drives us crazy.
Cognitohazard
legit if any thing comes to end the world just take me out. Im not built for survival. I will cry
Just because things appear apocalyptic at the moment doesn't mean a better world cannot be born from the ashes of the old one. Be strong until you're 110% sure the situation is without a doubt completely irredeemable, then act accordingly to what feels the best for you.
2 of my friends from highschool - brother/stater - both developed schizophrenia at age 17 to 19, one more severe than the other. It’s wild how genetically linked it is, and yes smoking weed can trigger it if you’re prone to the potential of getting it
0:59 I’m calling angler fish as the culprits
Monsters sound to me like demons/angels. Multiple biblical references of angels appear in blinding light and can drive you mad if you look upon them; and demons are often described as appearing in the guise of angels to lead people astray
Beer can also trigger schizophrenia, but it takes a lot of alcohol and drinking on a regular basis to do so
That explains my former uncle.
@jamescampbell6724 schizophrenia is caused by damaged dopamine receptors, damaged dopamine, and damaged dopamine production in the brain. Anything that gives you a dopamine high can damage those receptors, and anything that effects those receptors negatively can damage them. Memory loss, amnesia, dementia, anxiety, depression, hallucinations, phsycosis, and phsycotic disorders are caused by damaged dopamine receptors.
THC causes your brain to flood itself with dopamine, which can damage your dopamine receptors and production. The more dopamine released at once, the more damage it does.
CBD has been found to indirectly interact with and repair both dopamine receptors and production. CBD also counteracts the effects of THC.
Due to the entourage effect within cannabis it is both safe and impossible to be used in pharmaceuticals. There are 4,000 cannabinoids in cannabis and each one only works properly when al cannabinoids are present and in proper ratios. Because of this THC is relatively safe to consume when the entourage effect is in play, but it can turn lethal and will do permanent and severe brain damage to anyone who consumes pure thc without the entourage effect. CBD has a large number of medical benefits, which makes it perfect for treating a large number of medical conditions. With the entourage effect, you need a low dose of cbd in order to get its medical effects. Without the entourage effect, you need to increase the dose anywhere from 10 times to 100 times to get the same results.
The maximum safe daily does of CBD is about 2,400 mg. It's been found to treat schizophrenia well for a few months at a dose of 600mg to 800mg a day, but it lost its effectiveness after a while.
CBD has also been found to treat asthma if taken orally as it's an anti inflammatory like most asthma medications, it treats epilepsy extremely well and it treats any conditions caused by low dopamine and damaged dopamine receptors.
Cbg or cbc is what treats cancer as it slows cancer growth and spread, cbn is a powerful sedative. Every one of the 4,000 chemicals in cannabis has a medical use, but they stop working right if one of the 4,000 other chemicals are removed.
Also medical grade Marijuana either has such low thc levels that it has no effect, or it has no thc at all removing the risks associated with cannabis. If there's no thc then the dose has to be higher than the medical Marijuana with trace amounts of thc. Also you can't get high on medical Marijuana due to the low levels of thc. High thc Marijuana is only used for recreational purposes and all of it has a chance of giving you schizophrenia if you take to much
I love the Forest menu music in the background lol
Great stuff man