I really like Geoff Bell the actor who played the head of the Millwall firm, he’s truly terrifying. He’s in a lot of these British gangster / drugs / hooligan genre films.
Sometimes in films characters that are meant to be scary or intimidating are played by people that you could easily beat the living shit out of , Geoffrey Bell at least looks like someone that could be legit scary.
As a kid from the 70s and my family from London, this is actually quite tame, but a good movie for trying to cram so much in. The battles were far far worse and literally did end up in deaths if you walked into the wrong manor(territory for you yanks lol).
I’ve actually met two of the people In this film! Billy Knott, the young boy who was the best player on the kids team and did the somersault, he played for my club Bradford City. and was my favourite player for a while, I’ve got a picture with him and I used to chat with him after every game on Facebook. Absolutely top lad. Talented as fuck midfielder! He scored a world class goal for us against our biggest rivals Leeds United in a cup match and we knocked them out! I was there! The other was the black kid with the short Cornrows who scored the second most goals for the team in the West Ham home kit, his name is Blair Turgott, also played for Bradford city, he wasn’t quite as successful but he had his moments, met him a few
Best footy hooligan film ever. The story of the young undercover cop and how he begins gradually to self degenerate makes the cost of being taken in by this culture hit home that extra bit hard.
This movie is underrated. The Major was also in Band of Brothers as Blythe. That character also suffered a neck wound. Weird. If you guys want to see Elijah Wood's darkest role as a serial killer, check him out in MANIAC. It's a superbly shot first person film. First person is one of the hardest perspectives to shoot in film. There's moments where Elijah is one hand and the camera man is the other hand to help sell the perspective. It's almost too good because you feel grimey after walking around in the killer's head for almost 2 hours. It's a horror film that doesn't pull it's punches. But it's also a feat in filming.
Holy fucking shit you just blew my mind. I've watched BoB easily over 10 times and lost count of how many times i've watched this movie and it never clicked.
Excellent film I hate the way that people berate over its apparent lack of believability regarding an Americans part in it. Elijah Wood's character Matt simply comes over to London to stay with his sister who is now married to an English bloke that is by chance some retired football hooligan firm leader. Matt just happens to end up meeting his younger brother who had taken over the firm and from there on gets indoctrinated into the culture against his expectations ... and very nearly ends up paying too high a price for it. The realism is additive by the way that Bovver (the incredible Leo Gregory) refuses for quite a while to accept him into the firm, pretty clearly because he is American, rather than just welcome him like he's been in the gang all the time.
i was just about to warn them not to bother football factory. its my most hated movie ever. its a terrible terrible movie. i hate it so much. stole its best scene from goodfells. "you trying to mug me off infront of my mates?" "how am i funny?" theres a moment towards the end when the movie plays sad music and tries to make me sympathetic to poor frank harpers character billy. poor billy had been told by some of the other violent thugs that he wasnt allowed to go to the big violent thug show down because hes too much of a violent thug. so poor billy goes home and crys to his wife "im alright arnt i? tell me im alright?" while sad music plays. oh diddums the poor psychopath has been dumped by his friends, there there give him a lollipop. its pathetic. "living your little middle class suburban nightmare" says one character while off his face and spiraling to the bottom. and i think we are supposed to laugh at the posh folks cos the working class lads are so cool. im working class and its the working class hooligans who are living the nightmare in this movie. "your a f*cking disgrace" screams the sweet old man to the naughty little boys on the bus. thats not how old men speak in public. yes lets have some 2 dimensional basic teenager characters being naughty on the bus just so our old man can stand up and drop an F bomb. oh very mature writing. "after a fractured jaw, a burst spleen, a ruptured lung, 24 stitches and 5 cracked ribs you got to ask your self is it worth it?" thats the question our hero ponders at the end of football factory as he thinks long and hard about life as a violent criminal thug. the kind of guy that calls himself a soldier but doesnt have the balls to actually sign up for the army. good god i hate football factory so much. no one should watch it ever. and before anyone complains about me spoiling the movie, its already been spoiled by the people who made it. so dont worry about it.
@@BearBFC plenty of people liked Limp Biskit, Roy chubby Brown and William Hague. Doesn't make them good. I gave a bad review of a movie on a movie channel. I'm sorry I slagged off your favorite Danny Dyer film. But I'm sure you can get over it and soldier on.
@@NeilLewis77 If you don't find Chubby Brown somewhat funny once again sounds like a YOU problem buddy, just because you don't like something does not mean it is bad and others can't like it, you wrote a full essay on why you didn't like it going so far as to quote it etc, why does it bother you to care that much just move on no one is forcing you to like it, but only cock ends try to make other people not like something because of their own opinion. Also Human Traffic or The Business is my favourite Danny Dyer film.
I've seen this film countless times in the last 18 years and I never worked out what accent Charlie Hunman was trying to do. It's certainly nothing I recognise.
He's born and raised early in Newcastle. Then moved to Melmerby, Cumbria (Via Wikapedia). I don't know if that just gives him an amalgamation of different regional accents maybe?
The West Ham v Millwall rivalry which dates back to the end of the NINETEENTH Century. Both teams were formed from Dockers in East London and while the Football rivalry had long begun, what really stemmed the hatred was in 1926 when a General Strike took place by the East End workers. The majority of those workers were West Ham supporters so you can imagine the outrage when the Millwall-supporting dock workers refused to help..MILLWALL had already deserted The East End of London where West Ham still are and moved to Paradise:) That is my SOUTH East London and now this is the bitterest rivalry in English Football. TODAY,I was on a Boat Trip down The River Thames and the Guide was detailing both areas, as we passed them.
I long ago and thought I would get your take on this, as a lifelong Millwall fan who is in his 7th decade of attending matches,1,770 games, thus far. In my 69 years since being born, deep into Millwall Football Club territory in 1954. In all that time by a combination of luck and judgment and visiting 84 different Away Stadiums from the furthest North(Carlisle) to the most Southerly and the furthest West*Exeter and Plymouth) I have never been involved in trouble and on around 7,770 social occasions(mostly in London) never been involved in a physical altercation.
@@majormoviemadness9927 Yes, My Friend and as it's 3.30 am here on the edge of London, it is time for my bed but just to say that the West Ham I.C.F.(Inter City Firm) was no joke back in the 1970s onwards). ICF stands for Inter City Firm as they used to support West Ham in their thousands away from home on Trains known as The Inter City Specials. If you had the misfortune to encounter them, they gave you a "Congratulations, You have met The ICF " calling card.:( Ironically as London has changed, ethnically,massively in my lifetime, most West Ham fans now live in the County bordering East London: Essex while most Millwall fans now live in the County of Kent, which borders South East London. It is an extraordinary Football phenomenon in London that nearly all the indigenous London fans who comprise 90% of these team's fan base (Spurs, Chelsea, West Ham,Millwall,Cristal Palace,Fulham etc)no longer live in Inner London, where most teams are based but live in the surrounding Outer London Suburbs and this mass exodus accelerated from The 1970s onwards.
15:25 The district of London that is named Millwall is actually in West Ham territory. The dividing line between the fanbases in East London is the river -with West Ham fans to the north and Millwall fans to the south. (Hence the line _you've got some front showing your face on this side of the water_ ). As mentioned in other comments the Millwall football team relocated to just over the other side of the Thames about a century ago.
I enjoyed this movie so much. Hidden gem that got attention after Sons of Anarchy. Something about this film scared me deeply, maybe the realism. Seeing how a regular person could get into such violence shook me.
Hello, I watched this movie in 2007 and it caught me, I think we all go through that stage of violence in our lives, but when someone we love arrives, we decide to stop
I love that you guys are going down the rabbit hole of British culture and the dark underbelly of our crime worlds are fascinating as much as any cartel. but the football hooligan genre (even though gary oldman rules) is such a terrible rabbit hole to go down. not because all the movies are bad but because they fail to mention how bad the violence was, how damaging it was, how many children died. the entire 70s and 80s in england was marred with horrible scenes at football grounds and somehow we have ended up with a bunch of stories about how cool it is to go down to the game on Saturday and attack someone in a different color shirt. they are the lowest people i have ever met. they were never funny, always racist, always sexist, just horrible horrible people who destroyed our national sports integrity and reputation for decades. i hate them so much i wouldnt want you to waste too much time on them. not when we have so many amazing film makers like meadows, boyle and nolan. have you seen the full monty yet? or kes? or in the loop or the death of stalin or 24 hour party people or zulu or passport to pimlico or gregorys girl or up and under or hunger or the mouse that roared or a clockwork orange or brazil or withnail and i? watch those long before you go near football fecking factory.
Appreciate the amazing, well-thought-out comment. We honestly didn't really mean to dive too much into the Hooligan genre or culture. It was more about sports. So Football, American Football, Basketball and Baseball. There are a few movies about tennis and hockey, but as far as sports, those rain supreme. I do believe it's important to dive deeper and tell more about the honest history of events, but very few films hit on all of it and speak to the true nature of a true event, it's so often dramatized or not given enough truth. Going off what you wrote, I would imagine this did a solid job of both putting firms on a mantel and understanding the respect and/or the gang/rough culture that it breeds. As well as speaking to the respect, fandom, and comradery that comes with people so committed and with such hysterical passion. There is often a darker side to fandom and sports rivalries in any state or country. Shit, we win a basketball championship here in the States and people tear an area of the city up in "celebration". So I get your reluctance to us diving into films that fetishize it. And out of all of the football films, this was the last one we viewed so it's not something we continued to examine. I enjoyed how different it was from the other films and I still will being taking my time to find a team I can obsess over. I think I love football now!
@@MajorProgress haha amazing. Thank you so much. I really appreciate your comment back. The fact you did the damned united means I can die happy. I didn't mean to suggest you had dug too deep into the hooligan genre. I just saw the film you were reacting to and panicked. I thought "oh no, someone's gonna tell them to watch football factory! Nooooo!!!" Lol. Personally I think theres a wonderful romantic optimism to American sports films. I cheered like crazy when Micheal J Fox hit the game winning free throw at the end of teen wolf! Any given Sunday, the water boy, 42, etc etc. It's always awesome when our hero wins in the end. But here in Britain, we don't win. We end up with our face in the mud while we watch the posh kids lift the trophy. I just don't think British sporting culture lends itself too well to movies. However I do think our dour rainy sense of humor fits well with crime movies. Hence films like lock stock and trainspotting being proper classics. But we also do class warfare better than anywhere. I highly recommend "the full Monty" and "brassed off". Both award winning star studded British movies about people coping with the modernisation of Britain after thatcher closed the pits, the mines, the factories. Funny, thoughtful, inspiring drama comedies that make me proud to be British. And as for picking a football team do yourself a favor and pick Manchester city. Currently the richest best club. If you like pain and suffering then pick an underdog and root for Everton or Aston villa or any other premier league club. But you might as well enjoy your self and follow man city. As an Englishman I could of spent the last ten years cheering on the new York Knicks. But I did the smart thing and decided to root for the GSW. I get enough pain and misery following my football team. If I'm gonna watch basketball then I might as well enjoy it and pick a winning team. I suggest you do the same and go for man city, Liverpool, man united, arsenal or even Newcastle. Fecking love your reactions man. Sorry that I rant on and on.
It really pisses me off that Shannon goes to the fight! Why would she do this when she knows she could be putting her child in danger 🤦🏼♀️ Also I’m pretty convinced Bovver is in love with Pete 😂
As someone who’s lived and breathed West Ham for nearly 40 years, this film is a fucking embarrassment. I cringe every time Charlie Hunnam opens his mouth.
The Firm, Football factory, rise of the footsoldier, Cass. The list could go on. In the 80/90s I'd been one of these idiots although for a Scottish football team. We were the CCS aka Capital City Service. We did tour the UK and fight at their home bars/pubs. Became the #1 after we attacked Aberdeen at the Waverly Station in Edinburgh where someone threw petrol bombs at their firm. We were fighting on the rail tracks and platforms in the station. Fun at the time, now grown I can't believe what ass holes we were. I know one of us worked as a lawyer, business owners, bar owners, bankers, tradesmen and some just lived foe it. Have a look at wisla krakaw and other Polish teams, Feyenoord and Ajax in Holland. Europe is far worse than Britain now
I'm from West Ham and all joking apart the only slightly realistic look at what football hooliganism was like is about five minutes in Rise of the Foot soldier The rest absolute crap Green Street A West Ham fella goes over to Millwall for help are you f*cking kidding me lol
This is maybe the worst of the hooligan films tbh for lack of realism... The Firm (original Gary Oldman) and Football Factory are more like it. Ignore the guy complaining about it 'stealing' a line of dialogue from Goodfellas as if thugs don't speak in cliches. It's based on a book, one in a trilogy, written by the English equivalent to Irvine Welsh!
@wassgoodyee5710 Nah interms of just strictly hooligan based films.. Most hooligan films i'v seen in the past were shit but the Football Factory for me is or was the best hooligan film made.. To say Green Street was like the worst of those films and then point out The Firm nah.. The Football Factory was like the first and the best and most Gritty hooligan film of those 3 films made. But Green Street while its by far probably the most cringyest out of the 3 it still probably has the best story lines and is the most emotional, while the firm based in like the 80's if I remember rightly probably is a more gritty film than Green Street and probably has a better story line than the football Factory it's just more like a shitter football Factory trying to like match and do what the football Factory did but it just wasn't as good. Seem to remember ontop seeing enough crap hooligan movies aswell for a time like Green Street 2 and 3 followed on from Green Street and they were low budget crap movies
its a terrible terrible movie. i hate it so much. stole its best scene from goodfells. "you trying to mug me off infront of my mates?" "how am i funny?" theres a moment towards the end, when the movie plays sad music and tries to make me feel sympathetic to poor frank harpers character billy. poor billy had been told by some of the other violent thugs that he wasnt allowed to go to the big violent thug show down because hes too much of a violent thug. so poor billy goes home and crys to his wife "im alright arnt i? tell me im alright?" while sad music plays. oh diddums the poor psychopath has been dumped by his friends, there there give him a lollipop. its pathetic. "living your little middle class suburban nightmare" says one character while off his face and spiraling to the bottom. and i think we are supposed to laugh at the posh folks cos the working class lads are so cool. im working class and its the working class hooligans who are living the nightmare in this movie. "your a f*cking disgrace" screams the sweet old man to the naughty little boys on the bus. thats not how old men speak in public. yes lets have some 2 dimensional basic teenager characters being naughty on the bus just so our old man can stand up and drop an F bomb. oh very mature writing. "after a fractured jaw, a burst spleen, a ruptured lung, 24 stitches and 5 cracked ribs you got to ask your self is it worth it?" thats the question our hero ponders at the end of football factory as he thinks long and hard about life as a violent criminal thug. the kind of guy that calls himself a soldier but doesnt have the balls to actually sign up for the army. good god i hate football factory so much. no one should watch it ever. and before anyone complains about me spoiling the movie, its already been spoiled by the people who made it. so dont worry about it.
I always find rhyming slang exposition scenes super cringe. They always lay it on super thick. If they were to say to Elijah 'park your aris', the septic would probably look confused. They should then say sit down, not go through the etymology of how you get from Aristotle to arse.
Gawd blimey guvnor, if I ain't a proper cocker-nee from that there old London town. The accents are a bit Dick Van Dyke. Real Cockneys don't use rhyming slang every other word nowadays just like New Yorkers don't speak like Edward G. Robinson anymore... see?
Just remembered id..thats defo second place.what cracks me up though is that these cockneys think that milwall v west ham could compare to bham v vile for hatred
its a terrible terrible movie. i hate it so much. stole its best scene from goodfells. "you trying to mug me off infront of my mates?" "how am i funny?" theres a moment towards the end, when the movie plays sad music and tries to make me feel sympathetic to poor frank harpers character billy. poor billy had been told by some of the other violent thugs that he wasnt allowed to go to the big violent thug show down because hes too much of a violent thug. so poor billy goes home and crys to his wife "im alright arnt i? tell me im alright?" while sad music plays. oh diddums the poor psychopath has been dumped by his friends, there there give him a lollipop. its pathetic. "living your little middle class suburban nightmare" says one character while off his face and spiraling to the bottom. and i think we are supposed to laugh at the posh folks cos the working class lads are so cool. im working class and its the working class hooligans who are living the nightmare in this movie. "your a f*cking disgrace" screams the sweet old man to the naughty little boys on the bus. thats not how old men speak in public. yes lets have some 2 dimensional basic teenager characters being naughty on the bus just so our old man can stand up and drop an F bomb. oh very mature writing. "after a fractured jaw, a burst spleen, a ruptured lung, 24 stitches and 5 cracked ribs you got to ask your self is it worth it?" thats the question our hero ponders at the end of football factory as he thinks long and hard about life as a violent criminal thug. the kind of guy that calls himself a soldier but doesnt have the balls to actually sign up for the army. good god i hate football factory so much. no one should watch it ever. and before anyone complains about me spoiling the movie, its already been spoiled by the people who made it. so dont worry about it.
@@AlexG-xl1cc its subtlety good at what it does. my brothers liked it. i was horrified. they were laughing while im sat there thinking "they have just flat out stole the how am i funny scene from goodfells and done a poor cockney version of it" i know it makes me sound like a prat when i tell people why it sucks so bad but i dont care. it really really sucks.
Charlie Hunnam's cockney accent is really bad and even though he was born and raised in Newcastle near where I live he does not have a Geordie accent in the slightest whenever I see him in interviews and on chat shows.
This was the first of a spate of hooligan flicks, it easily the worst. - the football factory or away days are much better. Couldn’t watch again, despite your great reaction
I am embarrassed to say I used to love this film. It is very bad. To give it its due, I always do the 'LETS GO F*CKING MENTAL! LETS GO F*CKING MENTAL! DA DA DA-DA, DA DA-DA!' At every appropriate opportunity.
There is only one rule in football violence and that is don't hurt fans, just other thugs. Kicking people on the floor is common. As are weapons. Hence the deaths you get. Seriously, do you think if millwall and west had a row and a west ham fan dies everyone justs stops fighting. Lets all stand there looking sad until the old bill turn up and arrest us all for affray. Incidentally which carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. 😂😂😂 in reality everyone would burn in different directions. Worst hooligan film ever.
Green Street is bad, really bad The head Millwall Top Boy is the only performance that saves it, and a little bit, the Major, but the rest is pretty terrible, least of all Hunnam's accent. Football Factory is a much better "this type" of film. But the best ones by far, are the Firm and ID
As a kid watching this back in the day, I thought Charlie was an american trying to do a London accent.. turns out he's from the North of England but does a lot of american shows/films with american accents.
Before anyone suggests football factory. DONT!!! its a terrible terrible movie. i hate it so much. stole its best scene from goodfells. "you trying to mug me off infront of my mates?" "how am i funny?" theres a moment towards the end, when the movie plays sad music and tries to make me feel sympathetic to poor frank harpers character billy. poor billy had been told by some of the other violent thugs that he wasnt allowed to go to the big violent thug show down because hes too much of a violent thug. so poor billy goes home and crys to his wife "im alright arnt i? tell me im alright?" while sad music plays. oh diddums the poor psychopath has been dumped by his friends, there there give him a lollipop. its pathetic. "living your little middle class suburban nightmare" says one character while off his face and spiraling to the bottom. and i think we are supposed to laugh at the posh folks cos the working class lads are so cool. im working class and its the working class hooligans who are living the nightmare in this movie. "your a f*cking disgrace" screams the sweet old man to the naughty little boys on the bus. thats not how old men speak in public. yes lets have some 2 dimensional basic teenager characters being naughty on the bus just so our old man can stand up and drop an F bomb. oh very mature writing. "after a fractured jaw, a burst spleen, a ruptured lung, 24 stitches and 5 cracked ribs you got to ask your self is it worth it?" thats the question our hero ponders at the end of football factory as he thinks long and hard about life as a violent criminal thug. the kind of guy that calls himself a soldier but doesnt have the balls to actually sign up for the army. good god i hate football factory so much. no one should watch it ever. men who used to go to the football for a fight are the worst kind of people. and before anyone complains about me spoiling the movie, its already been spoiled by the people who made it. so dont worry about it.
ID is terrible as well. It holds a lot of nostalgia for people but it hasn’t aged well at all. If you’re a fan of the hooligan genre then it has appeal but as a film in its own right, it’s a cliched, badly written, badly acted trash.
@@Mr_Incognito113 ye I'll take your word for it mate. I remember cover for it but never got round to seeing it. I remember watching the firm years ago and enjoying how good of an actor Gary oldman is but I don't remember much about the movie. The whole genre just seems out of place with what we now know. It might if seemed fun running and fighting with police and rival fans. But people died and it ruined the game. The sad thing is that when England go to play some eastern European countries, they have fans like we used to. Angry young men looking for a fight. Hoping for a battle with England fans. But England fans these days take the wife and kids. We left all that violent shit in the 80s. To see it glorified just seems ridiculous now.
Why don't you come off the fence and say what you really mean about The Football Factory? I love it, and I also love Casablanca. I have eclectic tastes and I'm not a snob, unlike you ya slag!
I really like Geoff Bell the actor who played the head of the Millwall firm, he’s truly terrifying. He’s in a lot of these British gangster / drugs / hooligan genre films.
Sometimes in films characters that are meant to be scary or intimidating are played by people that you could easily beat the living shit out of , Geoffrey Bell at least looks like someone that could be legit scary.
@@frase03 yeah he definitely has a mean arse looking face haha
As a kid from the 70s and my family from London, this is actually quite tame, but a good movie for trying to cram so much in. The battles were far far worse and literally did end up in deaths if you walked into the wrong manor(territory for you yanks lol).
Sure, Jan
As others have said, The Firm starring Gary Oldman is THE hooligan movie.
And that makes three... Damn! Maybe we just do a Gary Oldman for like his top 6 movies as a genre/series watch!
The firm is awesome and features two iconic characters from two British soap operas as well ,bonus.
Was going to mention that film, but watch the version with Gary Oldman not the remake as that was crap.
@@cyrus2728 Phil Mitchell and Benny from Grange Hill?
I’ve actually met two of the people In this film! Billy Knott, the young boy who was the best player on the kids team and did the somersault, he played for my club Bradford City. and was my favourite player for a while, I’ve got a picture with him and I used to chat with him after every game on Facebook. Absolutely top lad. Talented as fuck midfielder! He scored a world class goal for us against our biggest rivals Leeds United in a cup match and we knocked them out! I was there!
The other was the black kid with the short Cornrows who scored the second most goals for the team in the West Ham home kit, his name is Blair Turgott, also played for Bradford city, he wasn’t quite as successful but he had his moments, met him a few
I have to say the Gary Oldman movie The Firm, in some ways, even more brutal than this film.
Added, two back-to-back recommendations for "The Firm". I'm here for it!
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Great film
The original and best by a country mile, the remake is little more than a long advert for the store 80's casual classics 😂
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Awesome film
ID (based on a real story) is a good football hooligan movie to watch
Yeah I heard loads about this it’s millwall v arsenal wasn’t it
Now (even in vain of the other sycophants that like this complete and utter fucking wank) you are correct, ID wins hands down.
Best footy hooligan film ever.
The story of the young undercover cop and how he begins gradually to self degenerate makes the cost of being taken in by this culture hit home that extra bit hard.
This movie is underrated. The Major was also in Band of Brothers as Blythe. That character also suffered a neck wound. Weird. If you guys want to see Elijah Wood's darkest role as a serial killer, check him out in MANIAC. It's a superbly shot first person film. First person is one of the hardest perspectives to shoot in film. There's moments where Elijah is one hand and the camera man is the other hand to help sell the perspective. It's almost too good because you feel grimey after walking around in the killer's head for almost 2 hours. It's a horror film that doesn't pull it's punches. But it's also a feat in filming.
Holy fucking shit you just blew my mind. I've watched BoB easily over 10 times and lost count of how many times i've watched this movie and it never clicked.
Also Pete’s friend is in Band of brothers as Joseph Liebgott
Excellent film I hate the way that people berate over its apparent lack of believability regarding an Americans part in it.
Elijah Wood's character Matt simply comes over to London to stay with his sister who is now married to an English bloke that is by chance some retired football hooligan firm leader. Matt just happens to end up meeting his younger brother who had taken over the firm and from there on gets indoctrinated into the culture against his expectations ... and very nearly ends up paying too high a price for it.
The realism is additive by the way that Bovver (the incredible Leo Gregory) refuses for quite a while to accept him into the firm, pretty clearly because he is American, rather than just welcome him like he's been in the gang all the time.
Another good one is The Football Factory. That’s a film about the West Ham/ Millwall firms rivalry
i was just about to warn them not to bother football factory. its my most hated movie ever.
its a terrible terrible movie. i hate it so much.
stole its best scene from goodfells. "you trying to mug me off infront of my mates?" "how am i funny?"
theres a moment towards the end when the movie plays sad music and tries to make me sympathetic to poor frank harpers character billy.
poor billy had been told by some of the other violent thugs that he wasnt allowed to go to the big violent thug show down because hes too much of a violent thug. so poor billy goes home and crys to his wife "im alright arnt i? tell me im alright?" while sad music plays.
oh diddums the poor psychopath has been dumped by his friends, there there give him a lollipop.
its pathetic.
"living your little middle class suburban nightmare" says one character while off his face and spiraling to the bottom. and i think we are supposed to laugh at the posh folks cos the working class lads are so cool.
im working class and its the working class hooligans who are living the nightmare in this movie.
"your a f*cking disgrace" screams the sweet old man to the naughty little boys on the bus.
thats not how old men speak in public.
yes lets have some 2 dimensional basic teenager characters being naughty on the bus just so our old man can stand up and drop an F bomb. oh very mature writing.
"after a fractured jaw, a burst spleen, a ruptured lung, 24 stitches and 5 cracked ribs you got to ask your self is it worth it?"
thats the question our hero ponders at the end of football factory as he thinks long and hard about life as a violent criminal thug. the kind of guy that calls himself a soldier but doesnt have the balls to actually sign up for the army.
good god i hate football factory so much. no one should watch it ever.
and before anyone complains about me spoiling the movie, its already been spoiled by the people who made it. so dont worry about it.
The trilogy of books is awesome, especially England Away. Some of John King's other books are even better
@@NeilLewis77 plenty of people liked it so sounds like a YOU problem...
@@BearBFC plenty of people liked Limp Biskit, Roy chubby Brown and William Hague.
Doesn't make them good.
I gave a bad review of a movie on a movie channel.
I'm sorry I slagged off your favorite Danny Dyer film.
But I'm sure you can get over it and soldier on.
@@NeilLewis77 If you don't find Chubby Brown somewhat funny once again sounds like a YOU problem buddy, just because you don't like something does not mean it is bad and others can't like it, you wrote a full essay on why you didn't like it going so far as to quote it etc, why does it bother you to care that much just move on no one is forcing you to like it, but only cock ends try to make other people not like something because of their own opinion.
Also Human Traffic or The Business is my favourite Danny Dyer film.
Love this movie, its one of my favorites
You obviously don't know anything about football violence
I've seen this film countless times in the last 18 years and I never worked out what accent Charlie Hunman was trying to do. It's certainly nothing I recognise.
Its fucking awful
He's born and raised early in Newcastle. Then moved to Melmerby, Cumbria (Via Wikapedia). I don't know if that just gives him an amalgamation of different regional accents maybe?
I'm just not sure an Australian accent was the right choice for a Cockney character. But props to Hunnam, he nailed it.
The West Ham v Millwall rivalry which dates back to the end of the NINETEENTH Century. Both teams were formed from Dockers in East London and while the Football rivalry had long begun, what really stemmed the hatred was in 1926 when a General Strike took place by the East End workers. The majority of those workers were West Ham supporters so you can imagine the outrage when the Millwall-supporting dock workers refused to help..MILLWALL had already deserted The East End of London where West Ham still are and moved to Paradise:) That is my SOUTH East London and now this is the bitterest rivalry in English Football. TODAY,I was on a Boat Trip down The River Thames and the Guide was detailing both areas, as we passed them.
Damn that’s deep seeded thanks for the insight
Love this! Appreciate the info and the needed detailed account.
Muggy film
@@laurapartridge4449 Now , that is, hardly, the Sporting spirit, Laura. Behave yourself, Young Lady. Really!
Silence
I long ago and thought I would get your take on this, as a lifelong Millwall fan who is in his 7th decade of attending matches,1,770 games, thus far. In my 69 years since being born, deep into Millwall Football Club territory in 1954. In all that time by a combination of luck and judgment and visiting 84 different Away Stadiums from the furthest North(Carlisle) to the most Southerly and the furthest West*Exeter and Plymouth) I have never been involved in trouble and on around 7,770 social occasions(mostly in London) never been involved in a physical altercation.
Kinda the way it always is though s very small group are looking for trouble and often find it. And that’s what gets focused on
@@majormoviemadness9927 Yes, My Friend and as it's 3.30 am here on the edge of London, it is time for my bed but just to say that the West Ham I.C.F.(Inter City Firm) was no joke back in the 1970s onwards). ICF stands for Inter City Firm as they used to support West Ham in their thousands away from home on Trains known as The Inter City Specials. If you had the misfortune to encounter them, they gave you a "Congratulations, You have met The ICF " calling card.:(
Ironically as London has changed, ethnically,massively in my lifetime, most West Ham fans now live in the County bordering East London: Essex while most Millwall fans now live in the County of Kent, which borders South East London.
It is an extraordinary Football phenomenon in London that nearly all the indigenous London fans who comprise 90% of these team's fan base (Spurs, Chelsea, West Ham,Millwall,Cristal Palace,Fulham etc)no longer live in Inner London, where most teams are based but live in the surrounding Outer London Suburbs and this mass exodus accelerated from The 1970s onwards.
London firms were good at home at home but never travelled.
15:25 The district of London that is named Millwall is actually in West Ham territory. The dividing line between the fanbases in East London is the river -with West Ham fans to the north and Millwall fans to the south. (Hence the line _you've got some front showing your face on this side of the water_ ). As mentioned in other comments the Millwall football team relocated to just over the other side of the Thames about a century ago.
Well done, Professor
His woman leaving him is so dumb. He literally went to stop the violence.
And she’s like I’m leaving you, we aren’t safe and then she immediately drives into a warzone for no good reason
I enjoyed this movie so much. Hidden gem that got attention after Sons of Anarchy. Something about this film scared me deeply, maybe the realism. Seeing how a regular person could get into such violence shook me.
Some of the fight scenes were based on true battles mainly from the late 70s.. I know I was there.
What battles were they. Name one. I was there also and I know what went down.
No they werent ffs do u think an elf from lord of the rings smashed the zulus ffs
Great movie!!!
Just found your channel this evening. already watched half a dozen or so videos. Love hearing your views.
Hello, I watched this movie in 2007 and it caught me, I think we all go through that stage of violence in our lives, but when someone we love arrives, we decide to stop
Outlaw is worth a watch too!
I, Daniel Blake is another polemic representation of the mess Britain has descended into in the last 20 years.
Thank you for the reaction, love this movie
Do The Football Factory as well
Football factories is a great watch so is Essex boy's is on another level.
I.D is a great film
About this subject
Charlie's east end accent is absolutely horrendous haha 😂
Remember the titans and Moneyball
You’re getting one of these v soon
@@majormoviemadness9927 Don’t even mind which one , both are excellent movies
Rise of the Footsoldier 3.
The firm with Gary Oldman is far better film
Added the list. Anything with Gary Oldman is pretty much a must.
I love that you guys are going down the rabbit hole of British culture and the dark underbelly of our crime worlds are fascinating as much as any cartel.
but the football hooligan genre (even though gary oldman rules) is such a terrible rabbit hole to go down.
not because all the movies are bad but because they fail to mention how bad the violence was, how damaging it was, how many children died. the entire 70s and 80s in england was marred with horrible scenes at football grounds and somehow we have ended up with a bunch of stories about how cool it is to go down to the game on Saturday and attack someone in a different color shirt.
they are the lowest people i have ever met.
they were never funny, always racist, always sexist, just horrible horrible people who destroyed our national sports integrity and reputation for decades.
i hate them so much i wouldnt want you to waste too much time on them. not when we have so many amazing film makers like meadows, boyle and nolan.
have you seen the full monty yet? or kes? or in the loop or the death of stalin or 24 hour party people or zulu or passport to pimlico or gregorys girl or up and under or hunger or the mouse that roared or a clockwork orange or brazil or withnail and i?
watch those long before you go near football fecking factory.
Whole heartedly agree and would add Tyrannosaur (2011) to the list of great British films to watch.
Appreciate the amazing, well-thought-out comment. We honestly didn't really mean to dive too much into the Hooligan genre or culture. It was more about sports. So Football, American Football, Basketball and Baseball. There are a few movies about tennis and hockey, but as far as sports, those rain supreme. I do believe it's important to dive deeper and tell more about the honest history of events, but very few films hit on all of it and speak to the true nature of a true event, it's so often dramatized or not given enough truth. Going off what you wrote, I would imagine this did a solid job of both putting firms on a mantel and understanding the respect and/or the gang/rough culture that it breeds. As well as speaking to the respect, fandom, and comradery that comes with people so committed and with such hysterical passion. There is often a darker side to fandom and sports rivalries in any state or country. Shit, we win a basketball championship here in the States and people tear an area of the city up in "celebration". So I get your reluctance to us diving into films that fetishize it. And out of all of the football films, this was the last one we viewed so it's not something we continued to examine. I enjoyed how different it was from the other films and I still will being taking my time to find a team I can obsess over. I think I love football now!
@@MajorProgress haha amazing.
Thank you so much.
I really appreciate your comment back.
The fact you did the damned united means I can die happy.
I didn't mean to suggest you had dug too deep into the hooligan genre.
I just saw the film you were reacting to and panicked.
I thought "oh no, someone's gonna tell them to watch football factory! Nooooo!!!" Lol.
Personally I think theres a wonderful romantic optimism to American sports films.
I cheered like crazy when Micheal J Fox hit the game winning free throw at the end of teen wolf!
Any given Sunday, the water boy, 42, etc etc.
It's always awesome when our hero wins in the end.
But here in Britain, we don't win.
We end up with our face in the mud while we watch the posh kids lift the trophy.
I just don't think British sporting culture lends itself too well to movies.
However I do think our dour rainy sense of humor fits well with crime movies. Hence films like lock stock and trainspotting being proper classics.
But we also do class warfare better than anywhere.
I highly recommend "the full Monty" and "brassed off".
Both award winning star studded British movies about people coping with the modernisation of Britain after thatcher closed the pits, the mines, the factories.
Funny, thoughtful, inspiring drama comedies that make me proud to be British.
And as for picking a football team do yourself a favor and pick Manchester city. Currently the richest best club.
If you like pain and suffering then pick an underdog and root for Everton or Aston villa or any other premier league club.
But you might as well enjoy your self and follow man city.
As an Englishman I could of spent the last ten years cheering on the new York Knicks. But I did the smart thing and decided to root for the GSW.
I get enough pain and misery following my football team.
If I'm gonna watch basketball then I might as well enjoy it and pick a winning team.
I suggest you do the same and go for man city, Liverpool, man united, arsenal or even Newcastle.
Fecking love your reactions man.
Sorry that I rant on and on.
It really pisses me off that Shannon goes to the fight! Why would she do this when she knows she could be putting her child in danger 🤦🏼♀️
Also I’m pretty convinced Bovver is in love with Pete 😂
If you liked this you should watch The Football Factory.
Your 'fight' mate sounds more like a cuddle mate😉. Good reaction though.
As someone who’s lived and breathed West Ham for nearly 40 years, this film is a fucking embarrassment. I cringe every time Charlie Hunnam opens his mouth.
Man a lot of people hate him in this, the accent?
Super young Ross McCall from Band of Brothers
you guys are filmmakers comical
This is like a gateway film to the genre, The Rise of the Footsoldier is probably the best.
ID is a great football flick also.
Actually good
The Firm, Football factory, rise of the footsoldier, Cass.
The list could go on.
In the 80/90s I'd been one of these idiots although for a Scottish football team.
We were the CCS
aka Capital City Service. We did tour the UK and fight at their home bars/pubs.
Became the #1 after we attacked Aberdeen at the Waverly Station in Edinburgh where someone threw petrol bombs at their firm. We were fighting on the rail tracks and platforms in the station. Fun at the time, now grown I can't believe what ass holes we were.
I know one of us worked as a lawyer, business owners, bar owners, bankers, tradesmen and some just lived foe it.
Have a look at wisla krakaw and other Polish teams, Feyenoord and Ajax in Holland. Europe is far worse than Britain now
What they don't know more iconic in eastern europe than avengers
I'm from West Ham and all joking apart the only slightly realistic look at what football hooliganism was like is about five minutes in Rise of the Foot soldier The rest absolute crap Green Street A West Ham fella goes over to Millwall for help are you f*cking kidding me lol
This was just a Football Factory clone
Shmash ze bootan xD shmash it !
This is maybe the worst of the hooligan films tbh for lack of realism... The Firm (original Gary Oldman) and Football Factory are more like it. Ignore the guy complaining about it 'stealing' a line of dialogue from Goodfellas as if thugs don't speak in cliches. It's based on a book, one in a trilogy, written by the English equivalent to Irvine Welsh!
This movies better then all the movies u mentioned
@wassgoodyee5710 Nah interms of just strictly hooligan based films..
Most hooligan films i'v seen in the past were shit but the Football Factory for me is or was the best hooligan film made..
To say Green Street was like the worst of those films and then point out The Firm nah..
The Football Factory was like the first and the best and most Gritty hooligan film of those 3 films made.
But Green Street while its by far probably the most cringyest out of the 3 it still probably has the best story lines and is the most emotional, while the firm based in like the 80's if I remember rightly probably is a more gritty film than Green Street and probably has a better story line than the football Factory it's just more like a shitter football Factory trying to like match and do what the football Factory did but it just wasn't as good.
Seem to remember ontop seeing enough crap hooligan movies aswell for a time like Green Street 2 and 3 followed on from Green Street and they were low budget crap movies
It's not bad to say you've never had a fight. In fact it's preferable.
You guys need to watch rise of the footsoldier
Sound Qual is vacuum cleaner
the only hooligan movies are the Firm & ID
They should never had made the first one never mind a second
Football Factory
Charlie before he became a member of SAMCRO
That was the best movie i ever seen lateley best after Leon now the ball on your quartres do better
I d send them to reserch yes football in there brutal
This film shows that every single English man are better actors than all USA ones.
You guys should watch cass or football factory if you want to stick with the hooligan films
its a terrible terrible movie. i hate it so much.
stole its best scene from goodfells. "you trying to mug me off infront of my mates?" "how am i funny?"
theres a moment towards the end, when the movie plays sad music and tries to make me feel sympathetic to poor frank harpers character billy.
poor billy had been told by some of the other violent thugs that he wasnt allowed to go to the big violent thug show down because hes too much of a violent thug. so poor billy goes home and crys to his wife "im alright arnt i? tell me im alright?" while sad music plays.
oh diddums the poor psychopath has been dumped by his friends, there there give him a lollipop.
its pathetic.
"living your little middle class suburban nightmare" says one character while off his face and spiraling to the bottom. and i think we are supposed to laugh at the posh folks cos the working class lads are so cool.
im working class and its the working class hooligans who are living the nightmare in this movie.
"your a f*cking disgrace" screams the sweet old man to the naughty little boys on the bus.
thats not how old men speak in public.
yes lets have some 2 dimensional basic teenager characters being naughty on the bus just so our old man can stand up and drop an F bomb. oh very mature writing.
"after a fractured jaw, a burst spleen, a ruptured lung, 24 stitches and 5 cracked ribs you got to ask your self is it worth it?"
thats the question our hero ponders at the end of football factory as he thinks long and hard about life as a violent criminal thug. the kind of guy that calls himself a soldier but doesnt have the balls to actually sign up for the army.
good god i hate football factory so much. no one should watch it ever.
and before anyone complains about me spoiling the movie, its already been spoiled by the people who made it. so dont worry about it.
I.D. is great too.
Watch The football factory!!
I want to watch football factory it's made by rockstar who makes GTA games
I guess egos play a part in this but, again as i said before.
I always find rhyming slang exposition scenes super cringe.
They always lay it on super thick.
If they were to say to Elijah 'park your aris', the septic would probably look confused.
They should then say sit down, not go through the etymology of how you get from Aristotle to arse.
They have to explain it to us septics
Gawd blimey guvnor, if I ain't a proper cocker-nee from that there old London town. The accents are a bit Dick Van Dyke. Real Cockneys don't use rhyming slang every other word nowadays just like New Yorkers don't speak like Edward G. Robinson anymore... see?
The firm is the best hooligan movie followed by football factory
Just remembered id..thats defo second place.what cracks me up though is that these cockneys think that milwall v west ham could compare to bham v vile for hatred
I thought The football factory was better.
its a terrible terrible movie. i hate it so much.
stole its best scene from goodfells. "you trying to mug me off infront of my mates?" "how am i funny?"
theres a moment towards the end, when the movie plays sad music and tries to make me feel sympathetic to poor frank harpers character billy.
poor billy had been told by some of the other violent thugs that he wasnt allowed to go to the big violent thug show down because hes too much of a violent thug. so poor billy goes home and crys to his wife "im alright arnt i? tell me im alright?" while sad music plays.
oh diddums the poor psychopath has been dumped by his friends, there there give him a lollipop.
its pathetic.
"living your little middle class suburban nightmare" says one character while off his face and spiraling to the bottom. and i think we are supposed to laugh at the posh folks cos the working class lads are so cool.
im working class and its the working class hooligans who are living the nightmare in this movie.
"your a f*cking disgrace" screams the sweet old man to the naughty little boys on the bus.
thats not how old men speak in public.
yes lets have some 2 dimensional basic teenager characters being naughty on the bus just so our old man can stand up and drop an F bomb. oh very mature writing.
"after a fractured jaw, a burst spleen, a ruptured lung, 24 stitches and 5 cracked ribs you got to ask your self is it worth it?"
thats the question our hero ponders at the end of football factory as he thinks long and hard about life as a violent criminal thug. the kind of guy that calls himself a soldier but doesnt have the balls to actually sign up for the army.
good god i hate football factory so much. no one should watch it ever.
and before anyone complains about me spoiling the movie, its already been spoiled by the people who made it. so dont worry about it.
You make it sound hilarious I kind wanna see it to see how bad it is now
@@AlexG-xl1cc its subtlety good at what it does. my brothers liked it. i was horrified.
they were laughing while im sat there thinking "they have just flat out stole the how am i funny scene from goodfells and done a poor cockney version of it"
i know it makes me sound like a prat when i tell people why it sucks so bad but i dont care. it really really sucks.
That’s wat we like I no it’s not good but the British are game u should know lol
Please react to football factory
Football factory is great too
Charlie Hunnam's cockney accent is really bad and even though he was born and raised in Newcastle near where I live he does not have a Geordie accent in the slightest whenever I see him in interviews and on chat shows.
His geordie is worse than his cockney lol
Good movie but charlies accent is ridiculous at points. Even as a scot i can do a better cockney accent than that haha
This was the first of a spate of hooligan flicks, it easily the worst. - the football factory or away days are much better.
Couldn’t watch again, despite your great reaction
Don't watch the sequel. It'll ruin it.
You cut the best parts…
I am embarrassed to say I used to love this film. It is very bad. To give it its due, I always do the 'LETS GO F*CKING MENTAL! LETS GO F*CKING MENTAL! DA DA DA-DA, DA DA-DA!' At every appropriate opportunity.
Amerikaner werden das nie verstehen 😏
This is a fake idea of true football firms.
There is only one rule in football violence and that is don't hurt fans, just other thugs. Kicking people on the floor is common. As are weapons. Hence the deaths you get. Seriously, do you think if millwall and west had a row and a west ham fan dies everyone justs stops fighting. Lets all stand there looking sad until the old bill turn up and arrest us all for affray. Incidentally which carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. 😂😂😂 in reality everyone would burn in different directions. Worst hooligan film ever.
Should watch Football Factory, it’s better than this. The cockney accent that the guy who played Pete did was awful 😂
Football Factory is better
Its just more brutal not necessarily better
Green Street is bad, really bad The head Millwall Top Boy is the only performance that saves it, and a little bit, the Major, but the rest is pretty terrible, least of all Hunnam's accent. Football Factory is a much better "this type" of film.
But the best ones by far, are the Firm and ID
this movie was awful
It's a really silly and unrealistic film directed by a German woman with no idea about football violence. The accents and dialogue are gash too...
No football hooligan film has ever come close to the Hooligan football culture...this film is shit.
These mics are awful
This ia a awful movie!!charlie accent is a hard listen
Terrible film.
Not even close
As a kid watching this back in the day, I thought Charlie was an american trying to do a London accent.. turns out he's from the North of England but does a lot of american shows/films with american accents.
So your saying his London accent is shite?
Great actor but his accent is very dodgy here. It keeps dragging me out of the film sadly.
Before anyone suggests football factory. DONT!!!
its a terrible terrible movie. i hate it so much.
stole its best scene from goodfells. "you trying to mug me off infront of my mates?" "how am i funny?"
theres a moment towards the end, when the movie plays sad music and tries to make me feel sympathetic to poor frank harpers character billy.
poor billy had been told by some of the other violent thugs that he wasnt allowed to go to the big violent thug show down because hes too much of a violent thug. so poor billy goes home and crys to his wife "im alright arnt i? tell me im alright?" while sad music plays.
oh diddums the poor psychopath has been dumped by his friends, there there give him a lollipop.
its pathetic.
"living your little middle class suburban nightmare" says one character while off his face and spiraling to the bottom. and i think we are supposed to laugh at the posh folks cos the working class lads are so cool.
im working class and its the working class hooligans who are living the nightmare in this movie.
"your a f*cking disgrace" screams the sweet old man to the naughty little boys on the bus.
thats not how old men speak in public.
yes lets have some 2 dimensional basic teenager characters being naughty on the bus just so our old man can stand up and drop an F bomb. oh very mature writing.
"after a fractured jaw, a burst spleen, a ruptured lung, 24 stitches and 5 cracked ribs you got to ask your self is it worth it?"
thats the question our hero ponders at the end of football factory as he thinks long and hard about life as a violent criminal thug. the kind of guy that calls himself a soldier but doesnt have the balls to actually sign up for the army.
good god i hate football factory so much. no one should watch it ever.
men who used to go to the football for a fight are the worst kind of people.
and before anyone complains about me spoiling the movie, its already been spoiled by the people who made it. so dont worry about it.
ID is terrible as well. It holds a lot of nostalgia for people but it hasn’t aged well at all. If you’re a fan of the hooligan genre then it has appeal but as a film in its own right, it’s a cliched, badly written, badly acted trash.
@@Mr_Incognito113 ye I'll take your word for it mate. I remember cover for it but never got round to seeing it.
I remember watching the firm years ago and enjoying how good of an actor Gary oldman is but I don't remember much about the movie.
The whole genre just seems out of place with what we now know.
It might if seemed fun running and fighting with police and rival fans.
But people died and it ruined the game.
The sad thing is that when England go to play some eastern European countries, they have fans like we used to.
Angry young men looking for a fight. Hoping for a battle with England fans.
But England fans these days take the wife and kids.
We left all that violent shit in the 80s.
To see it glorified just seems ridiculous now.
A Danny Dyer film that isn't top quality, surely you jest.
@@AzimovTube haha I know right.
Although you have reminded me that I kind of like "human traffick". That's a good little British film.
Why don't you come off the fence and say what you really mean about The Football Factory?
I love it, and I also love Casablanca. I have eclectic tastes and I'm not a snob, unlike you ya slag!
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