The comment about how sometimes just hearing positive, strong voicelines from your favorite characters when spawning in can be a calming and uplifting experience is so genuine and real. When I first started playing at the start of OW2, I can remember really resonating with Orisa’s respawn lines in particular. Something about hearing “missteps still lead forward” when you were just kicking yourself in your head can just put you back on the right path sometimes. Overwatch gets a lot of shit, but I really do think it’s a good game.
5:03 Holy shit, that is so messed up, OMG. I am a man, I am not really so aware of all the things woman might go through on gaming in general, but it always hurts hearing this kind of stories. I am someone who loves to bring niceness everywere, and it hurts when people talk about all this kind of experience, that no matter what we do to try and change them, they always end up happening somewhere and it hurts
@@ChrisGotHeat23You forgot the part where they said “someone should put a baby in her.” So funny, right? You clearly didn’t watch the video nor did you comprehend the point of it to begin with if you think those comments are ‘funny’. That or you must be one of those people as well, ‘lil buddy’.
Im a guy and my first ign was just Cat(because I like cats), in one of the first matches I played I got harassed because they thought I was a woman. After that I changed my name and it never happened again. I can’t imagine going through that harassment almost every match and it’s really sad that this harassment exists in almost the whole gaming sphere.
The hot takes were crazy I played a comp match once it was me and a random girl in vc I just played the game regularly and at the end she was like thanks for not being a crazy creep and I was shook that that's what most girls get when playing this game
most of the time they dont take girls with low voice serious, because they're like "ehh, just another kid playing". then you mention that you're actually not a kid and especially not a boy and they all go wild 💀
i love these "women in gaming" videos so much. zarya is my main tank and i will always love her. also to add onto diversity of women characters, i wanna see a woman character who looks like roadhog who isn't there for comedic relief, isn't dehumanized into a robot, and is comfortable and awesome in all that she is. a disabled woman character who isn't skinny with european features would be fucking amazing too.
I’m glad you’re enjoying these topics! I’ll never stop speaking on it until some change happens. :) if you’d like more on this topic, I have a lot of other women oriented overthink videos!
When I don't have my Customer Service voice on, I can sound pretty ambiguous and/or monotone. While I'm not a stranger to misogyny, the time I got harassed for my voice in OW that sticks with me the most, was actually from a girl who said my voice was disgusting and that I sounded very old 🥲 girl went straight for the throat lol. Shout out to Penpuin, I love your voice and the fact you're not afraid to be heard as a woman with a lower voice. Zarya is my second most played character, I love her so much. Thank you Doyla for your S rank voice work and just being a lovely person!
As a girl who mains zarya and whose favorite streamer is sky this was the perfect video. :)) Could relate to so many points mentioned i really love this format
It's sad to hear that even Overwatch, a game inclusive and diverse in both its characters and player base, still has these issues. This was a good reminder that even though our community might be ahead of the curve, we still have a long way to go. Be kind to one another. Show them how it's done.
I can say personally I used to play ranked in OW1 and I did really well. I had people add me because of it too. But seeing how bad it can get, I get intimidated and don't do it anymore. The environment I grew up in and lived in general has made it harder for me to shrug off a lot of mean comments and what not. Thank you for making this video and what Doyla is doing
Dolya is an absolutely amazing woman. Really all of the female VAs in Overwatch are! Such strong and powerful women who honestly deserve the world. It makes me feel so glad to see their careers thriving nowadays. ❤
That's always the worst :( I'm so sorry that happened to u, we need more female spaces for this game imo. I'd feel much more comfortable in vc if i had even 1 more female player on my team
Yea this makes me really sad. On one hand I want people to talk in VC because games are better when you get to make conversation, but if people are this scared to do it, it makes me wonder if there ever will be a time where this doesn’t happen. Ofc I try my best to speak up if i hear people being harassed but I know a lot of guys wont do it, and a lot of those being harassed might not consider reporting. So if we want to make the game better, I say natural selection, weed out the bad ones. I guarantee at least two reports calling on sexual harassment can get an abusive yapper suspended, so please do not be afraid to report any and all of those who deserve it.
Zarya is my most played tank by a VERY large margin (most played hero overall). I absolutely love everything about her kit and her story. She is the hero that truly got me into overwatch in the first place in 2016. Thought I'd be a junkrat main until I played her. And EXACTLY what HilmSky said. Zarya just makes me feel strong. Zarya 1000% has Rizz. I'm desperate for more lore. Maybe we'll get lucky, and microsoft will be a good thing, and they'll be able to have a dedicated team for things like lore.... but I'm not holding my breath. Thanks for doing things like this! I'm usually not in VC because I just don't feel like dealing with the toxicity in general, so I don't often hear any of what you talked about. TBH the only time I'm in vc is when I'm duo/trio'd
I have been called the n-word, told to unalive myself and had people pick on my name even for whatever reason many times. Rude people go after whatever you are potentially the most sensative to. Your best bet is learning to defend yourself and others or just disable chats. I'm lucky enough to have a group of friends in VC to vibe with who I actually met through overwatch, we can back eachother up if there is someone being rude. I still am finding it a good idea though to just disable match chats so I can focus when playing.
This definitely doesnt work all the time, but when people get toxic I laugh because ir is ALWAYS the same shit. I usually just call them back out for being uncreative or stale af and the situation more times than not for me it turn the lobby on the one jerk. Sometimes it just takes someone to start for others to braven up and put a foot down. That isnt the correct solution, but I hope this may help some of your situations!
I love fareeha! The hate she gets from men comparing her to ysna and discrediting her for being in her rank in comparison to her mostly male teammates is terrible. They say “oh she’s not even top 500” or “she’s playing with people in top 500 she shouldn’t even be there”. The thing is a lot of popular players/streamers aren’t ALWAYS top 500, but they have been (like flats). I’ve had some experienced it before as well but that was when I played apex in 2022 now I don’t even use vc in O.W. It’s so upsetting to see this happening in the gaming community, I think gaming is for everyone and the goal should be to have fun.
The gays will forever always have the girls back. No one is trying that 💩 when I’m on the mic. P.S I’m sooooo interested in being in a Moira main video of these. Would be so cunty!!!
To me young men being misogynistic online is nothing new unfortunately. The RUclips series “The Female Experience” definitely helped with my awareness of the issue a few year ago.
I remember as a test i made a stereotypical girly acct for rocket league and holy shit its so annoying. A guy threw a duo game because he was busy typing in chat for me to join their clan. They were probably a child 💀
Interesting how much everyone on this panel says they like it when characters feel like them. I have never chosen a character cuz I can relate to the lore/looks. Could just be a feminine vs masculine outlook on hero based games. Abilities are what makes me enjoy a hero more/less and the design is more of a marketing gimmick.
I feel like for men, they grew up seeing representation everywhere. Popular movie leads, super heroes, COD characters, Halo, Mario, etc. anywhere you looked in media, it was strong male protagonists and the women were either not important or they were the damsel in distress that the “strong men” had to save. Example: Mario saving peach. Link usually saving Zelda. Etc So now that the media are finally giving us strong women that we can look up to, relate to, and/or see aspects of ourselves in, it’s exciting. It’s new, it’s fresh. Men are used to this because they’ve had it their whole lives and didn’t even realize because it’s “normal”. But we never have :’) I’ve been a gamer my whole life and I can’t tell you how cool it is to go from always playing male characters, to finally having the option to play as a strong or cute or relatable woman :)
Ngl I don't think I even understand what representation is. I dont feel represented by any form of character really in media that I can think of. Because of that I find it hard to understand why anyone is concerned with this sort of thing. I like halo for one thing but Im not some souped up space marine like am I supposed to identify with him just because he is a man? Or mario for that matter like Im not italian. Or even cass, sure he's american but like Im nothing like him 😂 I may like specific characters for their ambitions or ideals at times but chalking up "representation" to something as simple as skin tone or gender just seems like such a foreign concept to me. *edit Along that, a few characters that I have indentified with I guess concerning ideals are Ahsoka and Obiwan in star wars. Once again though I never felt like their genders or race played any role whatsoever in identifying with them. I even feel it would deny the whole purpose of the representation I might feel by their ideals.
you are a white man. you're represented everywhere so of course you're not gonna notice these things or care for it. but im telling you right now, representation does matter. the filipino community was so shocked and happy to see neon from valorant be introduced into the game cuz it's rare to see a character and our culture be represented in video games.
Hearing this is so sad!! It’s a cycle honestly, I’ve played since the beginning of Ovw1 and a lot of these problems have happened to me then when I was younger, but growing older and hearing the nonsense you get a thicker skin and those comments truly mean nothing. Now with Ovw2 it’s the same thing but with a new generation of younger girls who have to face the same backlash. Even though the community is still bad at times it has gotten a lot better from what I’ve seen, but the community can do waaaay better if there’s a light shed on it. I’m also on console, not pc. That could be a factor I’m not aware of too. But to any girlies out there who want to game and get discouraged, don’t give up! The only way to get better at a game (and with anything in life) is to make all the mistakes, then learn from those mistakes. The only way to truly be good at something is to be bad at it in the beginning. So keep trying and have fun :)
My experience with first question about online names (for context I’m a guy and my alt account is named unicorn) I haven’t received any hate for the name by itself. When I bully them with battle mercy then they will say something lol. But I’ve mostly had pleasant experiences with people. I also don’t talk in vc first to try to see the “gamer girl” hate.
I wanna see a native american charter ( phara is half i know that) but i feel invisible to representation. Or at least i don't see my people a lot in any media.
Me (as a transmasc with female voice) have to admit that it got way better with the harrasment. Not only in overwatch but like in general. People just start to not care rather I have a female or male sounding voice wich is honestly great. I think in general, gender shouldn't matter in competitive gameplay. Like, sure do your little chit chat or flirting (if they are fine with it) in unrated but honestly in comp, I am just glad it's just callouts and nothing more. But that's just my experience (even tho I doubt I even have something to say here)
i believe the most sexist ranks are the middling ones, high enough ranks they have a bit more maturity, its more low ranks that are less sexist and bigoted in general. i get shat on in vc bc i have a more fem voice as a guy, i even got 3 months chat ban from defending a lovely girl [she popped off] from the whole rest of the team, and i never regret it, we play constantly now
Very sad considering ow2 has one of (if not the highest) percentage of female players in any competetive game. Cant imagine how bad it must be in other communities
Valorant is awful dude. Immature, horny 25 year olds that either tell you to go to the kitchen, say women shouldn’t play games or ask you to suck their parts. Best reply to the kitchen part I just tell them to get some antidote ready.
imo if player is good no matter who is it. It's still strange to me how in "new" games people more paying attention to who is speaking and not how good they at the game. I miss old games where we had diverse AND sexy characters. For example UT2004 has a lot of different characters with different appearence. Btw the part that can backfire about presentation is stereotypes. And about "it's a girl" part, from old times it was rare to see female playing games, so at least some (i hope) asking because they want to know why you choose to play games and not something else. (since stereotype "only males playing games" still exist). Really hope that games again will be for players to play, no matter the gender. It's nice to know that there is more female gamers than was before.
I love to talk on game also but have really struggled with bullying in my life. I can't describe how much I hate bullies. I try to make it better when someone harrasses someone. Regardless of gender but i have had games, the harrasment against a woman has been so bad I feelt like shit. How are men so imbecile to harrass with Rape and suicide "jokes". Honestly, I can't imagine why you would expose to that if being silent is so much safer. Sorry for what you go through. I want people to just be nicer to each other.
It would be interesting to ask yhem same questions to a full male panel as for the representation question overwatch is massively diverse we got a non binary character we have a monkey hamster ai characters sexxy characters widow mercy zarya and mei are sexxy to some people theres no new zealander characters apart from hog who was raised in Australia but i find it a problem when it becomes we put representation for social points not for the actual characters themselves got a cool idea for a character if they happened to be disabled or non binary or trans it shouldn't be all they are i play sombra and dva as a guy i can feel connected with dva since shes a fellow gamer i also think you dont need to be a strong independent woman to be truly strong you can be soft and feminine.
I've seen the problems outlined in this video happen with my sister many times. People often think it's just kids or boys saying dumb stuff, but it's both shocking and maddening that also adult men are openly harassing others for being a woman. It sounds dumb, and if you're not a woman and you don't have a sister it might be hard to believe, but I've had to stand up for my sister so many times online that I'm honestly tired of how braindead stupid many other men can be. Good to see this type of content but honestly fellow men, yall need to be better.
Honestly people just gotta play what they want. No amount of empowerment matters if everyones still afraid of men in the end and use them as an excuse not to even try. shut people up with skills, nothing anyone says will matter when youknow you're better, just like how i had to earn peoples respect in final fantasy proving im a better raider than most when people kept calling me a casual or thinking stuff is too hard for me . and ive seen it plenty of times. I always gravitate towards support myself because i just like being the team support, nothing weird about that.
The harassment part is just sad bruh….like wtf, idc if the Maui on my team got a high pitched voice, if anything that just makes it hilarious. Play what you want and what your best at. 7:47 Wait, is Meg a streamer? I tried finding them through Jay3 to see if they made content, but couldn’t find them at all.
To all gamer girls out there please know that recent studies have identify that male players that perform bad in video games are more aggressive towards females and submissive towards other males that are performing better, so literally the harassment to females is a reflection of how bad they are at the game. On the other hand male gamer that perform better tend to hype females. Keep thriving girls!
frankly i believe men are easier to model in games because they are MEANT to be tough, they are MEANT to give off the "IM GOING TO DIE FOR MY COUNTRY'S SAFETY" vibes. while female characters in games usually being sexualized, or suggestivized (which i like more than hella skimpy clothing [take yorha 2b for example, her outfit is suggestive, not skimpy]), is usually a sort of attempt to pander to the more sexually driven men of the world for bigger profits, yes, just bigger profits. tldr: men meant to be stronk tough meaty bullet sponges, women no so much cuz traditional roles of society. if you want tough, be tough, be aggressive but not hateful, being hateful is not being aggressive, its just being hateful.
yeah but well build men can be also called sexualized cuz most women want that strong looking guy it's all about what gives them more clicks: men want those almost naked girls while girls like the well build guys
If you aren’t contributing to the problem, then you shouldn’t feel bad. But if you want to help make a difference, just know that you hold a lot more power in that than you may think. If you hear someone harassing women in your game, please speak up. Women can defend themselves all day but the male harassers will never view themselves as equal and won’t listen. But the moment another man speaks up, toxic men usually cower and back off because they view it as an “equal” calling them out. It may sound dramatic, but this is what I’ve found to be my experience from the VERY FEW times a man has spoken up to defend me.
99% of my OverThink episodes are centered around “OW stuff” lol but this one being a collab with Zarya’s VA due to her documentary about women in gaming, it only makes sense that it would be focused on that topic. Plus, I think it’s something that needs more light shed on it so there’s nothing wrong with doing that :)
Why’s the questions so negative? Would be nice to have questions that involve less complaining. I do understand that girls get harassed in gaming since primary guys play overwatch. But man everyone gets harassed and it’s because the person is emotionally dumb after/during losing game. And will pick anything personal about that person guy or girl
The questions are so “negative” because of people like you. It’s to show that there’s people out here who undermine the experiences that women go through, and who try to claim “everyone gets harassed” but men do not get harassed for being men. Women do. So until I stop seeing comments like yours which dismiss the experiences women go through in male dominated spaces, I will continue shining light on these “negative” topics.
Just to clear things up. I think it’s important to talk about these problems but don’t take the harassment personally as people in competitive gaming are irrational when they are on a losing streak
@@aspottedfriend4289 the difference is people are toxic to eachother when they’re doing bad or losing, but a lot of the time they are toxic to woman as soon as they speak, performing good or bad, winning or losing, not just because they’re titled. making it significantly worse experience in the community
@@ChristalRaine I wanted to tell that men are harassed for being man too, but no man would admit that he was harassed. It's interesting how different male and female defence mechanism about stuff like that. But YES, since there is a lot of people who just want to harass no matter the gender, they will choose the most easy people to harass which is womans, since stereotype about "girls don't play PC games" still exist. I think what original comment tried to tell is that EVERYONE has problems and ANYONE can be the bad person that want to ruin persons day. (at least i hope that what it was). This why we NEED to talk about the problems like this and try to fix them. Or at least try to be kinder to each other.
let's be honest most "gamers" are gonna be toxic no matter what gender,saxuality or race you are they'd rather pin their skill issue on things outside of their controll 16:12 female characters have more clothing options than male ones on a regular basis and even if they don't they almost alvays look better than the male counterpart
tanks have the best vas, theyre so impressive, and zaryas is no exception, ahe fits the charecter so perfect
Torbjorn isn’t a tank though?
@@DeemsTheMemes torb is an exception
Doyla is so supportive and amazing, I'd love to see her documentary when it comes out
This is not an overwatch problem, it’s a gamer problem.
Well yeah, but I’m an OW channel so I’m discussing this with fellow OW gamers haha but it definitely exists throughout the entire industry
if you look up zarya's interactions with mei and the coat, you'll hear she has W rizz, no crumbs, bar none.
The comment about how sometimes just hearing positive, strong voicelines from your favorite characters when spawning in can be a calming and uplifting experience is so genuine and real. When I first started playing at the start of OW2, I can remember really resonating with Orisa’s respawn lines in particular. Something about hearing “missteps still lead forward” when you were just kicking yourself in your head can just put you back on the right path sometimes. Overwatch gets a lot of shit, but I really do think it’s a good game.
5:03 Holy shit, that is so messed up, OMG.
I am a man, I am not really so aware of all the things woman might go through on gaming in general, but it always hurts hearing this kind of stories. I am someone who loves to bring niceness everywere, and it hurts when people talk about all this kind of experience, that no matter what we do to try and change them, they always end up happening somewhere and it hurts
honestly it made me crack up 😂😂😂😂😂
@@ChrisGotHeat23You must think you’re funny.
You’re not.
@@thawingkarma233 bro don’t take life so serious. They just said she’d be a good mom , it was funny , I laugh at jokes made about men too lil buddy
@@ChrisGotHeat23You forgot the part where they said “someone should put a baby in her.” So funny, right?
You clearly didn’t watch the video nor did you comprehend the point of it to begin with if you think those comments are ‘funny’. That or you must be one of those people as well, ‘lil buddy’.
@@ChrisGotHeat23 what's the joke?
Im a guy and my first ign was just Cat(because I like cats), in one of the first matches I played I got harassed because they thought I was a woman. After that I changed my name and it never happened again. I can’t imagine going through that harassment almost every match and it’s really sad that this harassment exists in almost the whole gaming sphere.
The hot takes were crazy I played a comp match once it was me and a random girl in vc I just played the game regularly and at the end she was like thanks for not being a crazy creep and I was shook that that's what most girls get when playing this game
Having a boyish voice is sometimes good and bad but most of the time they call me a little boy 😭😭
what i hear a lot too is people being transphobic and using slurs if your voice isn’t super feminine. there is no in between
most of the time they dont take girls with low voice serious, because they're like "ehh, just another kid playing". then you mention that you're actually not a kid and especially not a boy and they all go wild 💀
i love these "women in gaming" videos so much. zarya is my main tank and i will always love her. also to add onto diversity of women characters, i wanna see a woman character who looks like roadhog who isn't there for comedic relief, isn't dehumanized into a robot, and is comfortable and awesome in all that she is. a disabled woman character who isn't skinny with european features would be fucking amazing too.
I’m glad you’re enjoying these topics! I’ll never stop speaking on it until some change happens. :) if you’d like more on this topic, I have a lot of other women oriented overthink videos!
Mama Hong supremacy 😤
20:49 I’m support main because I don’t trust others to do good job at it 😅
Also i like how flexible that role is.
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When I don't have my Customer Service voice on, I can sound pretty ambiguous and/or monotone. While I'm not a stranger to misogyny, the time I got harassed for my voice in OW that sticks with me the most, was actually from a girl who said my voice was disgusting and that I sounded very old 🥲 girl went straight for the throat lol. Shout out to Penpuin, I love your voice and the fact you're not afraid to be heard as a woman with a lower voice.
Zarya is my second most played character, I love her so much. Thank you Doyla for your S rank voice work and just being a lovely person!
As a girl who mains zarya and whose favorite streamer is sky this was the perfect video. :)) Could relate to so many points mentioned i really love this format
Sky is such a wholesome bby, I love her sm
I wish more tank players Mained zarya, it would make my job as a winston player so much easier.
It's sad to hear that even Overwatch, a game inclusive and diverse in both its characters and player base, still has these issues. This was a good reminder that even though our community might be ahead of the curve, we still have a long way to go. Be kind to one another. Show them how it's done.
I can say personally I used to play ranked in OW1 and I did really well. I had people add me because of it too. But seeing how bad it can get, I get intimidated and don't do it anymore. The environment I grew up in and lived in general has made it harder for me to shrug off a lot of mean comments and what not.
Thank you for making this video and what Doyla is doing
Dolya is an absolutely amazing woman. Really all of the female VAs in Overwatch are! Such strong and powerful women who honestly deserve the world. It makes me feel so glad to see their careers thriving nowadays. ❤
i relate to those ppl soo much cause i was in a vc with all men and i was the only girl and they kept calling me "woman" and rarely my username :/
That's always the worst :( I'm so sorry that happened to u, we need more female spaces for this game imo. I'd feel much more comfortable in vc if i had even 1 more female player on my team
@@ChronicBonir tyy and yeah i agree 🫂
This was such an amazing opportunity!!
Yea this makes me really sad. On one hand I want people to talk in VC because games are better when you get to make conversation, but if people are this scared to do it, it makes me wonder if there ever will be a time where this doesn’t happen. Ofc I try my best to speak up if i hear people being harassed but I know a lot of guys wont do it, and a lot of those being harassed might not consider reporting. So if we want to make the game better, I say natural selection, weed out the bad ones. I guarantee at least two reports calling on sexual harassment can get an abusive yapper suspended, so please do not be afraid to report any and all of those who deserve it.
Zarya is my most played tank by a VERY large margin (most played hero overall). I absolutely love everything about her kit and her story. She is the hero that truly got me into overwatch in the first place in 2016. Thought I'd be a junkrat main until I played her. And EXACTLY what HilmSky said. Zarya just makes me feel strong.
Zarya 1000% has Rizz. I'm desperate for more lore. Maybe we'll get lucky, and microsoft will be a good thing, and they'll be able to have a dedicated team for things like lore.... but I'm not holding my breath.
Thanks for doing things like this! I'm usually not in VC because I just don't feel like dealing with the toxicity in general, so I don't often hear any of what you talked about. TBH the only time I'm in vc is when I'm duo/trio'd
I have been called the n-word, told to unalive myself and had people pick on my name even for whatever reason many times. Rude people go after whatever you are potentially the most sensative to.
Your best bet is learning to defend yourself and others or just disable chats. I'm lucky enough to have a group of friends in VC to vibe with who I actually met through overwatch, we can back eachother up if there is someone being rude. I still am finding it a good idea though to just disable match chats so I can focus when playing.
This definitely doesnt work all the time, but when people get toxic I laugh because ir is ALWAYS the same shit. I usually just call them back out for being uncreative or stale af and the situation more times than not for me it turn the lobby on the one jerk. Sometimes it just takes someone to start for others to braven up and put a foot down. That isnt the correct solution, but I hope this may help some of your situations!
I love fareeha! The hate she gets from men comparing her to ysna and discrediting her for being in her rank in comparison to her mostly male teammates is terrible. They say “oh she’s not even top 500” or “she’s playing with people in top 500 she shouldn’t even be there”. The thing is a lot of popular players/streamers aren’t ALWAYS top 500, but they have been (like flats). I’ve had some experienced it before as well but that was when I played apex in 2022 now I don’t even use vc in O.W. It’s so upsetting to see this happening in the gaming community, I think gaming is for everyone and the goal should be to have fun.
15:48 yeah but zarya is a russian weightlifter and orissa is a metal horse. Neither exactly trying to use looks to attract attention.
If you find a robot horse attractive,😂 but ngl I like big woman character, fat or thin.
The gays will forever always have the girls back. No one is trying that 💩 when I’m on the mic.
P.S I’m sooooo interested in being in a Moira main video of these. Would be so cunty!!!
I really loved this episode
To me young men being misogynistic online is nothing new unfortunately. The RUclips series “The Female Experience” definitely helped with my awareness of the issue a few year ago.
I remember as a test i made a stereotypical girly acct for rocket league and holy shit its so annoying. A guy threw a duo game because he was busy typing in chat for me to join their clan. They were probably a child 💀
Interesting how much everyone on this panel says they like it when characters feel like them. I have never chosen a character cuz I can relate to the lore/looks. Could just be a feminine vs masculine outlook on hero based games. Abilities are what makes me enjoy a hero more/less and the design is more of a marketing gimmick.
I feel like for men, they grew up seeing representation everywhere. Popular movie leads, super heroes, COD characters, Halo, Mario, etc. anywhere you looked in media, it was strong male protagonists and the women were either not important or they were the damsel in distress that the “strong men” had to save. Example: Mario saving peach. Link usually saving Zelda. Etc
So now that the media are finally giving us strong women that we can look up to, relate to, and/or see aspects of ourselves in, it’s exciting. It’s new, it’s fresh. Men are used to this because they’ve had it their whole lives and didn’t even realize because it’s “normal”. But we never have :’)
I’ve been a gamer my whole life and I can’t tell you how cool it is to go from always playing male characters, to finally having the option to play as a strong or cute or relatable woman :)
Ngl I don't think I even understand what representation is. I dont feel represented by any form of character really in media that I can think of. Because of that I find it hard to understand why anyone is concerned with this sort of thing. I like halo for one thing but Im not some souped up space marine like am I supposed to identify with him just because he is a man? Or mario for that matter like Im not italian. Or even cass, sure he's american but like Im nothing like him 😂
I may like specific characters for their ambitions or ideals at times but chalking up "representation" to something as simple as skin tone or gender just seems like such a foreign concept to me.
*edit
Along that, a few characters that I have indentified with I guess concerning ideals are Ahsoka and Obiwan in star wars. Once again though I never felt like their genders or race played any role whatsoever in identifying with them. I even feel it would deny the whole purpose of the representation I might feel by their ideals.
@slordar Ditto.
you are a white man. you're represented everywhere so of course you're not gonna notice these things or care for it. but im telling you right now, representation does matter. the filipino community was so shocked and happy to see neon from valorant be introduced into the game cuz it's rare to see a character and our culture be represented in video games.
Same here but sometimes being a huge buff knight charging in feels so cool😎
Hearing this is so sad!! It’s a cycle honestly, I’ve played since the beginning of Ovw1 and a lot of these problems have happened to me then when I was younger, but growing older and hearing the nonsense you get a thicker skin and those comments truly mean nothing. Now with Ovw2 it’s the same thing but with a new generation of younger girls who have to face the same backlash. Even though the community is still bad at times it has gotten a lot better from what I’ve seen, but the community can do waaaay better if there’s a light shed on it.
I’m also on console, not pc. That could be a factor I’m not aware of too. But to any girlies out there who want to game and get discouraged, don’t give up! The only way to get better at a game (and with anything in life) is to make all the mistakes, then learn from those mistakes. The only way to truly be good at something is to be bad at it in the beginning. So keep trying and have fun :)
My experience with first question about online names (for context I’m a guy and my alt account is named unicorn) I haven’t received any hate for the name by itself. When I bully them with battle mercy then they will say something lol. But I’ve mostly had pleasant experiences with people. I also don’t talk in vc first to try to see the “gamer girl” hate.
It’s unfortunate that game companies aren’t doing more to fight toxicity. Glad there is content like this to a showcase that!
(for some companies) as long as the game brings revenue (it doesn’t matter)
I wanna see a native american charter ( phara is half i know that) but i feel invisible to representation. Or at least i don't see my people a lot in any media.
Me (as a transmasc with female voice) have to admit that it got way better with the harrasment. Not only in overwatch but like in general. People just start to not care rather I have a female or male sounding voice wich is honestly great.
I think in general, gender shouldn't matter in competitive gameplay. Like, sure do your little chit chat or flirting (if they are fine with it) in unrated but honestly in comp, I am just glad it's just callouts and nothing more. But that's just my experience (even tho I doubt I even have something to say here)
i believe the most sexist ranks are the middling ones, high enough ranks they have a bit more maturity, its more low ranks that are less sexist and bigoted in general. i get shat on in vc bc i have a more fem voice as a guy, i even got 3 months chat ban from defending a lovely girl [she popped off] from the whole rest of the team, and i never regret it, we play constantly now
Very sad considering ow2 has one of (if not the highest) percentage of female players in any competetive game. Cant imagine how bad it must be in other communities
Valorant is awful dude. Immature, horny 25 year olds that either tell you to go to the kitchen, say women shouldn’t play games or ask you to suck their parts. Best reply to the kitchen part I just tell them to get some antidote ready.
imo if player is good no matter who is it. It's still strange to me how in "new" games people more paying attention to who is speaking and not how good they at the game. I miss old games where we had diverse AND sexy characters. For example UT2004 has a lot of different characters with different appearence. Btw the part that can backfire about presentation is stereotypes. And about "it's a girl" part, from old times it was rare to see female playing games, so at least some (i hope) asking because they want to know why you choose to play games and not something else. (since stereotype "only males playing games" still exist). Really hope that games again will be for players to play, no matter the gender. It's nice to know that there is more female gamers than was before.
I love to talk on game also but have really struggled with bullying in my life. I can't describe how much I hate bullies. I try to make it better when someone harrasses someone. Regardless of gender but i have had games, the harrasment against a woman has been so bad I feelt like shit. How are men so imbecile to harrass with Rape and suicide "jokes". Honestly, I can't imagine why you would expose to that if being silent is so much safer. Sorry for what you go through.
I want people to just be nicer to each other.
Never gonna happen sadly. Especially since the mentality is “offended=snowflake” nowadays
It would be interesting to ask yhem same questions to a full male panel as for the representation question overwatch is massively diverse we got a non binary character we have a monkey hamster ai characters sexxy characters widow mercy zarya and mei are sexxy to some people theres no new zealander characters apart from hog who was raised in Australia but i find it a problem when it becomes we put representation for social points not for the actual characters themselves got a cool idea for a character if they happened to be disabled or non binary or trans it shouldn't be all they are i play sombra and dva as a guy i can feel connected with dva since shes a fellow gamer i also think you dont need to be a strong independent woman to be truly strong you can be soft and feminine.
Awwww, I wish I was in those girl over think I've been so busy lately that I haven't checked the discord server :(
As a guy hearing these things makes me mad. It is unreal how women are being treated poorly.
I've seen the problems outlined in this video happen with my sister many times. People often think it's just kids or boys saying dumb stuff, but it's both shocking and maddening that also adult men are openly harassing others for being a woman. It sounds dumb, and if you're not a woman and you don't have a sister it might be hard to believe, but I've had to stand up for my sister so many times online that I'm honestly tired of how braindead stupid many other men can be. Good to see this type of content but honestly fellow men, yall need to be better.
Honestly people just gotta play what they want. No amount of empowerment matters if everyones still afraid of men in the end and use them as an excuse not to even try. shut people up with skills, nothing anyone says will matter when youknow you're better, just like how i had to earn peoples respect in final fantasy proving im a better raider than most when people kept calling me a casual or thinking stuff is too hard for me . and ive seen it plenty of times. I always gravitate towards support myself because i just like being the team support, nothing weird about that.
5:00 where's the relation to the prompt. People were being weird i don't think they were calling her inferior.
because they're reducing her to nothing but a womb? are you serious
I feel so bad that i cant understand any of these women. I don't harass women and anyone harrassing anyone will get called out by my stack.
We only have one black girl and sadly no one thinks of her I still waiting for another
That’s awesome
Absolutely horrid sexism aside, Dolya sounds really familiar but I can't possibly put my finger on it 🤔
The harassment part is just sad bruh….like wtf, idc if the Maui on my team got a high pitched voice, if anything that just makes it hilarious. Play what you want and what your best at.
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Wait, is Meg a streamer? I tried finding them through Jay3 to see if they made content, but couldn’t find them at all.
OMG HAN IN THIS
To all gamer girls out there please know that recent studies have identify that male players that perform bad in video games are more aggressive towards females and submissive towards other males that are performing better, so literally the harassment to females is a reflection of how bad they are at the game. On the other hand male gamer that perform better tend to hype females. Keep thriving girls!
FIRE AT WILL!
frankly i believe men are easier to model in games because they are MEANT to be tough, they are MEANT to give off the "IM GOING TO DIE FOR MY COUNTRY'S SAFETY" vibes.
while female characters in games usually being sexualized, or suggestivized (which i like more than hella skimpy clothing [take yorha 2b for example, her outfit is suggestive, not skimpy]), is usually a sort of attempt to pander to the more sexually driven men of the world for bigger profits, yes, just bigger profits.
tldr: men meant to be stronk tough meaty bullet sponges, women no so much cuz traditional roles of society. if you want tough, be tough, be aggressive but not hateful, being hateful is not being aggressive, its just being hateful.
yeah but well build men can be also called sexualized cuz most women want that strong looking guy it's all about what gives them more clicks: men want those almost naked girls while girls like the well build guys
I swear hearing fareeha say at 5:00 just made me feel sick....i like it when people dont have a filter but that is just going too far....
I am weeping with joy at this.
I kinda feel bad for being a male now
that shouldn't be your reaction to this at all
I mean, they said literally nothing positive so lol.
@@Chicken_Pro_76as long as you’re not the one belittling us, and just treat women as normal teammates, there’s nothing to be ashamed of.
@@samaaauwaa7698 should I not?
If you aren’t contributing to the problem, then you shouldn’t feel bad. But if you want to help make a difference, just know that you hold a lot more power in that than you may think. If you hear someone harassing women in your game, please speak up. Women can defend themselves all day but the male harassers will never view themselves as equal and won’t listen. But the moment another man speaks up, toxic men usually cower and back off because they view it as an “equal” calling them out.
It may sound dramatic, but this is what I’ve found to be my experience from the VERY FEW times a man has spoken up to defend me.
Yo the question at 8:00 goes both ways btw. I get told that the only reason i can bench 225 is because i am a man.😔
they are so stupid
Yay overthink
SLAYY
About the diversity question, I think it's crazy overwatch has 1 black woman in the entire game.
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L take. There's so much diversity and it's awesome. what are you on about
Oh I'm not complaining just found it funny there's only sojourn lol@@solarscreams2447
There are more types of dark people outside of African american/Canadian
girl or guy if you got 80% hours on mercy then youve been boosted, minimum skill hero cmon
When did this show get so centered around gender equality, i just wanted to watch some Overwatch stuff
99% of my OverThink episodes are centered around “OW stuff” lol but this one being a collab with Zarya’s VA due to her documentary about women in gaming, it only makes sense that it would be focused on that topic. Plus, I think it’s something that needs more light shed on it so there’s nothing wrong with doing that :)
Why’s the questions so negative? Would be nice to have questions that involve less complaining. I do understand that girls get harassed in gaming since primary guys play overwatch. But man everyone gets harassed and it’s because the person is emotionally dumb after/during losing game. And will pick anything personal about that person guy or girl
The questions are so “negative” because of people like you. It’s to show that there’s people out here who undermine the experiences that women go through, and who try to claim “everyone gets harassed” but men do not get harassed for being men. Women do.
So until I stop seeing comments like yours which dismiss the experiences women go through in male dominated spaces, I will continue shining light on these “negative” topics.
Just to clear things up. I think it’s important to talk about these problems but don’t take the harassment personally as people in competitive gaming are irrational when they are on a losing streak
@@aspottedfriend4289 the difference is people are toxic to eachother when they’re doing bad or losing, but a lot of the time they are toxic to woman as soon as they speak, performing good or bad, winning or losing, not just because they’re titled. making it significantly worse experience in the community
@@ChristalRaine I wanted to tell that men are harassed for being man too, but no man would admit that he was harassed. It's interesting how different male and female defence mechanism about stuff like that. But YES, since there is a lot of people who just want to harass no matter the gender, they will choose the most easy people to harass which is womans, since stereotype about "girls don't play PC games" still exist. I think what original comment tried to tell is that EVERYONE has problems and ANYONE can be the bad person that want to ruin persons day. (at least i hope that what it was). This why we NEED to talk about the problems like this and try to fix them. Or at least try to be kinder to each other.
@@neondead2.0.15yea cause when you mic up I’m sure people immediately hate on you for trying to be easy or something
let's be honest most "gamers" are gonna be toxic no matter what gender,saxuality or race you are they'd rather pin their skill issue on things outside of their controll
16:12 female characters have more clothing options than male ones on a regular basis and even if they don't they almost alvays look better than the male counterpart