funny how gms make comments like 'i guess here' or 'i dont even know i'll just go here'. After analyzing you realize that he had calculated 5-8 moves ahead in 3 variations.
chess is so complex u need good intuiton and that comes with great knowledge thats why they say " i dont even know" because you have to trust your intuition
its pattern recognition bud, im no gm but I used to join free lessons way back and part of evaluating positions comes from knowing that certain positions are familiar to you, and certain moves are considered good-best.
Yeah, true. Sometimes you get different impressions of people you don't know after you know them. It's pretty normal. I don't know why the other two comments are like that. "Dislike" is not that triggering imo
The leap between these two titles is not a small one. Levy was beaten by a grandmaster who isn't even taking chess seriously anymore. And Levy is no slouch
@@patstaysuckafreeboss8006 But he... isn't. Or do you think titled players take things seriously by playing randoms online? Basically that phrase means ACTIVELY studying games, openings, theory, etc. You're a Levy fanboy so you've probably seen him doing this, no? That's taking chess seriously. Ben stopped playing, and therefore practising, competitively sometime back so my statement is 100% accurate. Please let me know where I can assist you understand my sense :)
What an epic wife. He snarkily mentions sparkling water, so she gets up and says the sweetest thing she can think of, always smiling. "I really want you to beat him."
I like how Ben was concerned about Qc2 before realizing it hung #1, then 30 seconds later Levy did the exact same analysis. Titled players think alike.
But you don’t calculate the opponents move in his/her turn in so much depth as you do for your own. I don’t think this is a solid indicator of the skill difference.
@@Aisatsana1971 Except that you do if your good. If Levy was way ahead in time your argument may stand but I think this is more than likely a very good example of the skill difference.
@@jcwar6753 you don’t though because you don’t know what move the opponent chooses. Even good players, as far as i know, don’t go into as much depth but they’ll calculate a higher variety of lines for the opponent. They’d only calculate the opponents move in depth if their opponents moves are either limited or forced.
@@barrystevenyoung4818 Yes I think so. You can tell by her awkward posture. She really looks like: "I don't wanna be here but let me do my jerk father a favor then maybe he gives me money"
Ben is a GM but he really doesn’t play at a good GM level anymore. He’s old and basically retired. He gets beaten by IMs all the time. Levy is a high IM with a GM norm and he will probably soon achieve GM title if he tries. He would probably already have the title if not for COVID.
lol that poor entombed rook. the domination by Ben's pieces was so fun to watch. also I loved how he allowed the doubling of his b pawns for the knight - bishop trade, knowing that the b pawn actually did even more damage to the mobility of blacks queenside pawns than an intact structure would have. completely crippled the black c pawn, which was needed to support the b and d pawns or you'd have easy pickings for a rooks (and two bishops!) end game. it's those little positional lessons that make me enjoy Bens games against Gotham
By move 8 Levy’s composure shattered. Had the same thing happen to me when I played Finegold during a stream. Clean game by Ben. It’s almost hard to watch this 😂
THIS IS CRAZY This morning I thought to myself "We haven't heard about Ben Finegold in a long time" I never google it nor said it out loud. Then I get this recommended!!! crazy
The saddest part about the Hikaru shit is that the two funniest chess personalities can't make structured content together. Ben made GM at age 40, Levy could learn a thing or two from the guy.
@@ryandaughtridge2198 yeah Levy will never be a GM and frankly he doesn't need to, but he can learn a thing or two on how to be a better person from Ben Levy to this day still pin's people's comments like he's a 11 year old... That's insane, Levy is a 30 year old toddler, nobody with that mentality can become a GM. Off with the cult.
@@-_Nuke_- What an insanely innocuous thing to consider someone less of a person for. It's also untrue, considering Hikaru is a super GM and more of a manchild than either of these two.
@@INFEDnoX Even Hikaru doesn't pin people's comments, even Hikaru is trying to focus on the positive comments on his channel and doesn't expose people's negativity. Levy hasn't learned how to be indifferent to the negativity of other people especially when we are talking about less than 1%. If you get 99% positive comments, but you just HAVE to pin that one 1% that said something negative, you are unfit to persue anything serious in your life.
Levy firstly plays f6 and then when Ben moves his bishop from its threatened position to one defending C3, Levy acts like Ben's played the bongcloud against him. He's such a herb.
yeah Ben is ultra butt hurt that players weaker than him are exponentially more popular, and being the arrogant douche that he his, I totally believe he said that
@@krileym Ben doesn't give a damn lol. His terrible sense of humor comes in everywhere. If you take 90% of what Finegold says seriously, then you haven't watched enough Finegold. It's like when people thought Finegold was the epitome of elitist douche and then flocking to Hikaru like he wasn't one himself.
@@4545guillermaso Ben has like 30 thousand subs, says "yayyyy" "hoorayyy" and when eating must exclaim "noommmm" on stream. When he answers questions on chat he often tells his subs flat out that they're terrible and will never improve. It totally bothers him that he's pretty damn good at chess but basically nobody cares and would rather watch any number of other streamers. Hikaru is certainly aware of his skills, but he doesn't outright insult his viewers or imply that watching other content creators who aren't top 30 in the world in classical and among the very best in rapid/blitz is somehow wrong or a waste of time. Hikaru is far more likeable and far more skilled than Ben, and this is common knowledge based on his subs, accolades, and FIDE.
this might be stupid but what happened at 8:11 ? I have never seen a pawn take another pawn that is right next to it by moving diagonally up? Huh???? Am I missing something?
So if a pawn moves two squares at once, but could've been captured if it went one square at a time, the first turn after it moves it can be captured as if it moved one square. En Passant is French for In Passing, basically, your pawn cut down their pawn in passing as it whooshed by.
I dont think anyone hates him? But there was something about Hikaru and saying he's not gonna get the GM title any time soon (not in a demeaning way, but saying his playstyle isn't good enough to get there any time soon)
@@Greggery i saw the video but what does that have to do with hating him? he’s trying he’s best and i personally think one day he’ll get it but hating because "he’s not skilled enough to be a gm" makes no sense, he’s teaching new people cool tricks and did A LOT for the community i dont know how you can hate on the guy tbh.
@@mxhdiirikudo9215 I just said I dont think anyone hates him? Im just saying that thats what Hikaru said about him, Im not saying that as a personal opinion. The question of the guy was why people hate Gotham which I said I dont think are any, and just gave an example of why he might think is why people hate him
1:37 "maybe he won't see this and I'll win."
* takes *
"Damn"
This is GM level chess
I always play like that, eventually i'll be lucky enough
love how he whispered it
@@syk2973 yeah, but in the words of GM Finegold himself, they win if they see it. you win if they dont see it. You dont get better playing like that.
That is exactly how I played when I was younger and I beat many people I had no business beating because of it
Ben is the definition of a chad. Did you see the kind of girls he's able to pull ?
Ben: "Never play f6."
Levy: "I'm gonna play f6"
Levy: ~loses~
funny how gms make comments like 'i guess here' or 'i dont even know i'll just go here'. After analyzing you realize that he had calculated 5-8 moves ahead in 3 variations.
Nah they don’t need to calculate most of the time they just know what moves look good
Grandmasters are exceptionally good at evaluating positions. So as stated above, sometimes they don't have to calculate, they just see.
chess is so complex u need good intuiton and that comes with great knowledge thats why they say " i dont even know" because you have to trust your intuition
its pattern recognition bud, im no gm but I used to join free lessons way back and part of evaluating positions comes from knowing that certain positions are familiar to you, and certain moves are considered good-best.
Even the chess bots don't calculate everymoves and go with "guts" sometimes (they learn some pattern and stuff like that but way too deep too decode).
At first I disliked Ben, but then I realized he's a pure meme lord.
Why for God sake would anybody dislike great Ben Fingold???!!😂😂
Yeah, true. Sometimes you get different impressions of people you don't know after you know them. It's pretty normal. I don't know why the other two comments are like that. "Dislike" is not that triggering imo
I disliked him for like 30 seconds until i realised he is sarcastic and funny 100% of the time and not serious about anything.
I used to like Ben till he mixed chess with Butthurt.
@John Napier I like Ben but you have to admit he's a bit obnoxious and a gatekeeper
8:20 "How many pawns am I down? The answer is a lot."
No Levy, the answer is fries.
he’s just laughing at levy with his wife this is insane 😭
That is the reality between a very talented and hard-working chess streamer and GrandMaster. Even our best is not good enough yet.
Can you imagine it was Ben with Levy's wife? THAT would be really emasculating
To bad levy’ gf doesn’t actively enjoy watching chess unlike Ben’s wife
I thought that was his niece
@@devanmallory5304 gotham gf vs. Karen. Why are we not funding this???
"It's the Budapest. No. Anything but that." Lmao. Like every time I see the Englund Gambit.
Hahaha I feel the same about the Englund. I roll my eyes every time. So easy to punish.
The leap between these two titles is not a small one. Levy was beaten by a grandmaster who isn't even taking chess seriously anymore. And Levy is no slouch
You don’t stay at that level by not taking chess seriously lmao talk with sense
@@patstaysuckafreeboss8006 But he... isn't. Or do you think titled players take things seriously by playing randoms online? Basically that phrase means ACTIVELY studying games, openings, theory, etc. You're a Levy fanboy so you've probably seen him doing this, no? That's taking chess seriously. Ben stopped playing, and therefore practising, competitively sometime back so my statement is 100% accurate. Please let me know where I can assist you understand my sense :)
@@patstaysuckafreeboss8006 The title of grandmaster is held for life. You can quit playing chess and still be a grandmaster.
Solely depends on rating.
Levy is a legend in his own mind.
What an epic wife. He snarkily mentions sparkling water, so she gets up and says the sweetest thing she can think of, always smiling. "I really want you to beat him."
She's really sweet and love interacting with chat while Ben is playing. They make truly a good team.
I like how Ben was concerned about Qc2 before realizing it hung #1, then 30 seconds later Levy did the exact same analysis. Titled players think alike.
yeah pretty nice
Thats why levy is IM and chad ben is GM
But you don’t calculate the opponents move in his/her turn in so much depth as you do for your own. I don’t think this is a solid indicator of the skill difference.
@@Aisatsana1971 Except that you do if your good. If Levy was way ahead in time your argument may stand but I think this is more than likely a very good example of the skill difference.
@@jcwar6753 you don’t though because you don’t know what move the opponent chooses. Even good players, as far as i know, don’t go into as much depth but they’ll calculate a higher variety of lines for the opponent. They’d only calculate the opponents move in depth if their opponents moves are either limited or forced.
Get a woman that looks at you the way she looks at Ben
shes looking at 2nd monitor to read the chat
@@valentijnraw i love how vocal she is
I was guessing that the lady was his daughter. They look similar but she looks a generation younger.
@@barrystevenyoung4818 Yes I think so. You can tell by her awkward posture. She really looks like: "I don't wanna be here but let me do my jerk father a favor then maybe he gives me money"
@@barrystevenyoung4818 They're married and she's actually older than him
Your title is indeed correct. his real name is Chad, "Ben" was just the nickname he received in highschool
Chad Find Gold. Chad take Gold. Chad EAT gold?
Grandmaster Chad Finegold's MIDDLE name is Chad.
That was like watching a game between me and my kid. Great to hear the two narrations side by side.
Would you or the kid be Gotham?
@@michelcharbonnier7603, the kid would definitely be finegold.
Ben has tried to warn the world about the dangers of f6. Let this be (another) lesson.
7:53 lmao, saddest rook ever in the history of rooks
I only clicked on this out of respect for the hilarious thumbnail
Me too ahaha
jesus christ, a grandmaster beat an international master at chess????? incredible, mad respect for finegold
Yeah unexpected
Are you really getting triggered over the title?
Exactly, what a shame, a grandmaster played someone who's not a grandmaster, Ben should now delete his youtube channel and go to exile.
🤯🤯GM beats IM in chess
Ben is a GM but he really doesn’t play at a good GM level anymore. He’s old and basically retired. He gets beaten by IMs all the time. Levy is a high IM with a GM norm and he will probably soon achieve GM title if he tries. He would probably already have the title if not for COVID.
No one:
Levy: 'he has been el solido'
Finegold: "i have been the passivist and the pacifist" lol
lol that poor entombed rook. the domination by Ben's pieces was so fun to watch. also I loved how he allowed the doubling of his b pawns for the knight - bishop trade, knowing that the b pawn actually did even more damage to the mobility of blacks queenside pawns than an intact structure would have. completely crippled the black c pawn, which was needed to support the b and d pawns or you'd have easy pickings for a rooks (and two bishops!) end game. it's those little positional lessons that make me enjoy Bens games against Gotham
2:15 Takes, takes, carry the 1...
😂
By move 8 Levy’s composure shattered. Had the same thing happen to me when I played Finegold during a stream. Clean game by Ben. It’s almost hard to watch this 😂
This video shows perfectly how chess can be a language as you can see by the thoughts of both players
Like two characters in an anime
Now think about the level Magnus is at
You'd under-think his level, than have to apologize
@@BeFourCM these "normal" gms
@@Asterx5 these "normal" challeners
Magnus might have a higher FIDE rating, but Ben Finegold still has a higher chad-rating.
Gotham... NEVER PLAY F6!
F6 ... "Like I'm nobody!".
That's some sigma male level performance from Ben
- Look how passive I'm playing here !
- He's being EL SOLLLIDO !
0:24 "if you can call us people" Finegold is hillarious lol
GM Ben Finegold vs Levy "not a GM" Rozman
Ben's wife slightly reminds me of a straight laced version of Jarboe from the legendary band Swans. They even have similar speaking voices.
I've been looking for this video for a long time did it get deleted or something?
@Luigi 3K why?
Cause it was too savage for yt
Gotham deleted it because he didn't want to look bad
@@moosehead4497 Gotham doesn't really seem the type to take things like this too seriously
@@7352SoS I think homie is just joking
7:53 lol 😂 I laughed so hard
Imagine playing F6 against GM Chad Finechad
So funny with the side by side footage to hear them almost talking about the same thing/jokes
Ben a minute earlier "oh he won't play QC2 cause I'll have mate."
Later Levi "oh QC2 I'm mated"
Ben really is a few steps ahead here.
I love watching both of these guys, this was like a value pack of good chess lol
I don't think Levy would be saying he could flag Ben in faster time controls if he knew Ben went 3-5 in OTB bullet against MVL.
Levy is one of greatest in chess he train with Hikaru
@@clashicedelixir2187 I’m sorry to tell you but he is not one of the greatest.
@@clashicedelixir2187 not even close to “one of the greatest” literally light years away from that
@@clashicedelixir2187 levy is one of the worst lol
Everybody, your new goal is to enjoy both of these streamers regardless of whether or not they win or lose. Good day to you
Well said. They are both entertaining and articulate streamers.
Go everybody
You are not the boss me. I do what I want.
You enjoy who you want and the rest of us will do the same.
@@NightRider0101 but stay there
"is f6 a move here?"
"in my 10,000 years, I have never seen such a thing."
Never play f6, Ben finegold is angery
Never been so mad!
Best video!! Love both these players! Karens cheers at the end for Ben were so cute. Go Ben go Levy!!
"he hasn't made a good move this game" holy shit this is murder
My man really just played f6 againts Ben Finegold, my god
This is the reason why GM is not to be messed with
Thanks for uploading. Now I downloaded it to make sure Levy can never take it away from me.
Finegold got rid of it...
Finegold deleted it
Levy is a good person. Taught me alot.
i liked that game and voice chat from both of them, thank you, nice work
Well now Levy is married so he’s no virgin BEE.
THIS IS CRAZY
This morning I thought to myself "We haven't heard about Ben Finegold in a long time"
I never google it nor said it out loud.
Then I get this recommended!!!
crazy
10k views and all the comment is attacking a normal streamer just because he lost, disable kid and a 16 subs channel, perfect combination
It’s called jealousy aka butthurt
8:12 FATALITY !!!!!!!
stfu gm ben boomergold us a gm and gotham is an im
@@AhmadM25 this video of gotham getting spanked and a butthurt comment of his idolizer... made my Sunday👌😂
Holy hell
@@AhmadM25 you are virgin as well apparently lol
@@defqqq i dont wven watch gotham but the video is dumb
The saddest part about the Hikaru shit is that the two funniest chess personalities can't make structured content together. Ben made GM at age 40, Levy could learn a thing or two from the guy.
Ben was over 2500 when he was 20 though, so it's not like he improved significantly as an adult to go from IM to GM, he just hadn't gotten the norms
@@ryandaughtridge2198 yeah Levy will never be a GM and frankly he doesn't need to, but he can learn a thing or two on how to be a better person from Ben
Levy to this day still pin's people's comments like he's a 11 year old... That's insane, Levy is a 30 year old toddler, nobody with that mentality can become a GM. Off with the cult.
@@-_Nuke_- somebody is salty LOL
@@-_Nuke_- What an insanely innocuous thing to consider someone less of a person for. It's also untrue, considering Hikaru is a super GM and more of a manchild than either of these two.
@@INFEDnoX Even Hikaru doesn't pin people's comments, even Hikaru is trying to focus on the positive comments on his channel and doesn't expose people's negativity.
Levy hasn't learned how to be indifferent to the negativity of other people especially when we are talking about less than 1%.
If you get 99% positive comments, but you just HAVE to pin that one 1% that said something negative, you are unfit to persue anything serious in your life.
Ugh I wish I had someone who looks at me like bens wife does him while I blunder in chess:/
Good God, Ben literally, slowly DISMANTLED Levy in that game, literally smooth as a silk
"He's not 2460!"
Cannot argue with this assessment.
it's almost as if.. a grandmaster is better than an international master. holy SHIT!
Gm is always better than Im.....
@@abdulirfan1710 thats the joke........
In slow chess, sure. But in Blitz online, Ben was quite the underdog.
someones salty their corny ass utuber lost
@@helix5779 I'm not salty he lost I'm salty that people are acting like it's something special
Chad Finegold is accurate.
Ben won cause Karen was back seat driving!
It's illegal to get outside assistance, Ben should be stripped of his title.
Yes -- and she brought him Perrier when he needed it. Terrible!
the greatest thumbnail and caption on youtube
So you're telling me a GM is stronger than an IM? Get outta town!
"the only move I was worried about hangs mate in 1... So there's probably nothing to worry about" lmao
Edit: and then Levi almost plays queen c2 😂
Ben Finegold is the reason levy will never become a GM
100%
It's interesting to see both players reaching the same conclusions about the position at the same time
POV: you are here because of the Gotham video
somehow you're still the only new commenter from that video
@@jamesz9635 Yeah coz this video is somehow tough to find... it doesn't show up easy on search
I watch this once a week
Everyone when he loses: GG
Levy: nah the problem is the gambit
to be fair the budapest is not very good.
@@getmilked6216 why would you choose a bad gambit unless you want an excuse why you lost
@@MurrayHerts cause if you win you can talk mad trash
@@MurrayHerts because it’s fun, isn’t chess like a game or something?
@@MurrayHerts because even though it’s not good sometimes there’s tricks
Ben knows how to pronounce Budapest
Ben was like, I’m closer to LeBron than you are to me.
The world's weakest IM vs the world's oldest and weakest GM.
El Solido is his middle name
the caption is so funny i cant
Why didn’t levy play the horse to f3 at 7:00. Can someone explain why is that a bad move?
@@catcha456 😅
Because the pawn will take it
Levy firstly plays f6 and then when Ben moves his bishop from its threatened position to one defending C3, Levy acts like Ben's played the bongcloud against him. He's such a herb.
herb 😂
levs look at the end there.. empty eyes, empty soul
Ben’s wife suits him
daughter*
@@ZainRules25 Wife*
4:04 gotta be the best trolling moment ever :-D I love Ben's cheeky laughter immediately afterwards.
He even sacked his rook for the knight, lmao… big talk levy got crushed…
Oh did Levy say he's better than Ben? Pls share the link to the video where he said that.
@@allanshpeley4284 did I say he said he is better than Ben? Are you illiterates, snowflakes?
@@Aria.Sterling Am I illiterates? The irony is strong with this one.
The video description is gold.
Nice! This video was deleted from the face of the internet and Im so glad its back! Sorry but Levy really deserved what he got here.
i asked ben on twitch whether he had played against IM levy rozman yet and he replied i dont know who that is lmao
yeah Ben is ultra butt hurt that players weaker than him are exponentially more popular, and being the arrogant douche that he his, I totally believe he said that
@@krileym Or it's just a joke? We may never know.
@@krileym Ben doesn't give a damn lol. His terrible sense of humor comes in everywhere. If you take 90% of what Finegold says seriously, then you haven't watched enough Finegold. It's like when people thought Finegold was the epitome of elitist douche and then flocking to Hikaru like he wasn't one himself.
@@4545guillermaso Ben has like 30 thousand subs, says "yayyyy" "hoorayyy" and when eating must exclaim "noommmm" on stream. When he answers questions on chat he often tells his subs flat out that they're terrible and will never improve. It totally bothers him that he's pretty damn good at chess but basically nobody cares and would rather watch any number of other streamers. Hikaru is certainly aware of his skills, but he doesn't outright insult his viewers or imply that watching other content creators who aren't top 30 in the world in classical and among the very best in rapid/blitz is somehow wrong or a waste of time. Hikaru is far more likeable and far more skilled than Ben, and this is common knowledge based on his subs, accolades, and FIDE.
Yes, but the humuor of Ben is the best.
0:50 I love that levy punishes f6 to troll ben and and ben’s response is that it’s a good move
Great game Ben
Very fun video, hearing both of their commentaries in tandem!!
Ben is clearly holding his wife hostage and there's nothing anyone can do about it
Why does Qc2 hang M1 at 2:01 ? My 600 elo brain is hurting
After Qg5, if black responds with Qc2, white has checkmate with Qg7. Notice how the bishop on c3 defends the queen.
Virgin Gothamcheese is deleting this video furiously every time, a little bit of humor bro…
Dont expect humor from hikarus sidekick
@@blackjack9513 it's funny because a virgin havent had sex
@@blackjack9513 "I don't know any of these guys"
-guy subscribed to gothamchess
Lmfao
the video was deleted because ben finegold got the original channel deleted lol
@@blackjack9513 lmfao
Never give Ben a passed pawn
Could someone explain the potential mate in one at 2:12. Thanks.
Qg7# if black queen go away
i love that people are finding this video all these months later
Ben: noooo, he got me out of my prep
Gotham: Really? can he play that? *stares for 15 seconds* well, he knows better than me.
this might be stupid but what happened at 8:11 ? I have never seen a pawn take another pawn that is right next to it by moving diagonally up? Huh???? Am I missing something?
It's called an "en passant"
So if a pawn moves two squares at once, but could've been captured if it went one square at a time, the first turn after it moves it can be captured as if it moved one square.
En Passant is French for In Passing, basically, your pawn cut down their pawn in passing as it whooshed by.
ben was hacking bruh
/s
@@priyanshchess4836 Ben now reported. I knew anyone that beats me is a hacker!
This thumbnail and title kills me every time 😂
I’ve seen this video before?
why does ben look like kingpin in the title? 🤣
Let's play chess with me.. Bullet
This video proves levy will never get GM
How?
@@brandonszpot8948 Lemme know when it happens
His wife is very supportive 😊😊
The ELO of this video title is 3900+ .....
The title of the video. I love you human! Subscribed!!! 💪
I have never seen levy loose a match this was incredible
hopefully they play again so we can see more chad ben finegold dumpstering virgin gotham
Your wish is Levy's command. No dual commentary for it yet though.
I thought he was going to say: "negative talent in life" 😂
jesus it was so brutal and also pretty cool
Tbh, I'm new at chess community and i dont know why are people hates gothamchess. Can somebody explain it please?
bruh i dont think anyone hates gothamchess lmao
I dont think anyone hates him? But there was something about Hikaru and saying he's not gonna get the GM title any time soon (not in a demeaning way, but saying his playstyle isn't good enough to get there any time soon)
@@Greggery i saw the video but what does that have to do with hating him? he’s trying he’s best and i personally think one day he’ll get it but hating because "he’s not skilled enough to be a gm" makes no sense, he’s teaching new people cool tricks and did A LOT for the community i dont know how you can hate on the guy tbh.
@@mxhdiirikudo9215 I just said I dont think anyone hates him?
Im just saying that thats what Hikaru said about him, Im not saying that as a personal opinion.
The question of the guy was why people hate Gotham which I said I dont think are any, and just gave an example of why he might think is why people hate him
He overdramatizes, inserts reddit memes in everything and has the punchable face of an NKVD officer.
that thumbnail is unhinged
Levi: Ben’s account got hacked. Facts facts facts facts facts.
Also Levi: wait y did it get hacked?