Game Builder Garage Isn't For People Serious About Game Development
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- I recently bought Nintendo's new game development title Game Builder Garage and I wasn't a big fan of it. I haven't played Dreams, but afaik you can make full titles in there, but I chose not to speak about it either way.
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pretty sure it was made clear that this wasn't a serious game maker.
It feels like scratch but for 3D
@@Muffinzawesum and severly downgraded
Yeah
Kinda, but Scratch is a bit more capable 😁
This shouldn't be compared to actual game engines. This is more like a puzzle game. You learn the basics and you use that skill to problem solve your mini creation. Trying to figure out how to achieve a solution to your problem is one of the fun part of the game besides playing it.
@@conabe "user-friendly game engine..... for kids." And it is. We've tried Unity, looked at visual plugins and even the Code Kingdom for Minecraft and Roblox. For my 8yr old this works best.
Yea
Exactly! Well said
@@copypastecoder3224 you should still have your child learn Unity. As a matter of fact there is a visual coding plugin called Bolt. Game builder, plus RUclips Unity bolt tutorials will be great for them! Also so cool to hear a parent doing this you sound awesome!
yes, but even scratch is better than this
5:55 not true. There is a game swap nodon that lets you do exactly that.
that's tru so technically u could make a game as big as u want take five nights at fluff balls (a GBG re-creation of fnaf) as an example they were able to use the feature and re-created all 5 nights Plus the aggressive night
@@tod120 Yes! I did the same thing with the game I’m working on. There’s a trailer on my channel for those interested. There I use a hub world to connect all of the levels.
I was also going to say that :)
But they have a limit of 8 which is a good amount
@tod120 yeah I'm thinking of making a 2d mario game or a 3d one, and I want to add multi-player
Bruh. The entire point of this game is for children to learn and be creative. Of course, it isn’t a great engine, but it didn’t claim to be a “serious” game designer. It’s like Dreams PS4 but watered down.
Ikr, it's more of an entry for kids to see the logic behind coding is.
You kinda missed the point of the video
@@Felixman128lol True
It might not be for people serious about game development, but it will be the only option for people who want to make fan-games of Nintendo properties without getting DCMA'd.
Yep
@@RedKnight26 Yepity Yep.
Although, with some research I made, most Nintendo IPs will only have you DCMA'd if it is a remake (most of the time).
But in terms of the Pokemon IP fangames... yeah.
You can make fan made Nintendo games on Dreams. Nintendo won’t take anything down
@@PhantasticMrPhrog I'm pretty sure Nintendo took down a Mario fan game on dreams.
@@piranhalettuce I just checked recently and more are still being made along with ones I played a while back
I don't think this title was made for you.
My 9 year old son went through just the very first tutorial to see the mechanics, then was building his own games... about 15 minutes after first firing it up.
He had used Scratch a couple times before that, but otherwise had no coding experience at all.
Now he's interested and is learning the basics. I don't think he would have gotten into the more advanced game makers. Now he can move onto one of the others when he is ready.
Game builder garage is awesome for young kids to gain their interest, then give them a quick start.
Snap, same here. My 8 and 10yr old use it and are really into it. As I've posted elsewhere there are definitely parallels in terms of the mental processes of creating "objects that do 'stuff' when 'things' happen" that are applicable if/when they want to progress to Code Kingdom or maybe even Unity.
It makes sense as a Nintendo product. Nintendo isn’t selling you a game engine, they’re selling you a *game.* Figuring out how to make fun things happen within the nodon’s limits is where the entertainment value comes from.
It’s a very _Nintendo_ concept. You’re so limited in art and scope that you really have no choice but to focus on gameplay. String a few nodons together until you arrive at something that’s fun to do, and then build out that concept within your limits. You’ll never build something polished that’s ready to sell on Steam or the App Store, but it’s a surprisingly accessible way to dabble in gameplay concepts and play around with what’s fun to do as a player.
The App Store has some ripoff games that are really fucking bad and barely functional with terrible quality
I’m pretty sure if you gave them something you made in gbg they’d take it
All this game needs is a much much larger nodon limit
Like at least a thousand
The low limit made me lose interest in the game real fast
This video lacks perspective on who Game Builder Garage is built for. Its like criticizing people learning to ride a bike for using training wheels.
Lmao
Lmao
Game Builder Garage is primarily designed to introduce players to the basics of game development through fun and accessible tools. While it offers a great platform for learning and experimentation, it may not be as robust or flexible as a professional game development software like Unity or Unreal Engine. However, for beginners or those looking to explore game design concepts without diving into complex coding or intricate systems, Game Builder Garage can be an excellent starting point. It's more about learning principles and having fun than serious, professional-grade game development.
Tl;dr? This review misses the point of this game SO FREAKING HARD
"Avoid"...? Really? That's very strong wording. You make it sound like its a temptation that aspiring designers should avoid "lest they spend their eternity trapped in its throes".
One of kids tried Unity first, after a couple of weeks he gave up and was demotivated. GBG has given him his confidence and interest back. I have to shoulder some of the blame I guess, I probably should have provided him with Code Kingdom first rather than Unity. 😬
@@copypastecoder3224 I think unity's play maker could be great at a young age
I'm pretty sure its just a good stepping stone for understanding game development, and it's been well recieved.
there is a nodon that let you switch to another project and transfer a value to that project so technically you could make bigger games
Which one is it?
@@Elijah_Randall is in OUTPUT -> GAME -> (I forgot name of the nodon)
@@steijnveer9026 Swap game nodon
Oh wow, thank you for telling me this
Before I watch ill say, im serious about game development, as I do want it to be my job someday (relatively soon even, within around three years or so), but I bought it immeidately knowing that it isnt for people who are serious about game devleopment. I honestly think the best way to lean game devleopment is to hunker down and just make games. Id recommend unreal engine since its pretty much the industry standard, but you might have a more fun time with Unity, which is a close second. (but you know that, and mention it in the video) I personally learned game design on gamemaker studio, and I dont regret it, but at this point I really wish I knew UE4 better than I do. Either way.... Game builder garrage seems like a fun distraction for me... whenever I get to messing with it more. Like any gamer I have a big backlog.
0:55 you know what they say, limitation invites creativity.
4:10 for people starting out, this is a good thing honestly. The #1 killer of games is a large scope. Force players to have a small scope, to the point where all they can produce is a proof of concept... Thats a good thing. It will get them familiar with game design quicker. When they've gotten all they can out of this game and think "yeah I could actually do this." then this game will have prepared them for real game design on a real engine.
6:14 im not sure it set out to teach *programming* necessarily, as much as it is training wheels for game development in general. A way for kids to get into it without it seeming too intimidating.
6:37 I think I can agree with that part. The point of this game is to be intuitive to figure out to teach kids about game development, right? So why is it so weird with this back and forth?
7:40 that is a good point.
8:26 that goes back to the scope being limited being a good thing. Yes, these other engines can do a lot more, but thats not the point of game builder garage. And honestly I never expected it to be the point of it. Its a nintendo game, its going to be limited to the strangest degree, its going to put that "limitation invites creativity" idea to the maximum.
10:08 that is also a good point, I honestly hadnt thought of that. Personally, I am going to unreal/unity first, and, again just using this game as a fun distraction. But yeah, I defenitely agree, while in concept limiting the scope is a good idea, since a great deal of those skills wont cary over to unity or unreal, it doesnt make that much sense to start here.
11:50 my plan is to learn unity and unreal at the same time as well... Focusing on unreal. And I do have some experience in Unreal, but I dont know that much about it. Defenitely dont have that much time for game builder garage while im learning it.
The advertisements clearly show that the idea is to introduce young minds to game development.
That's a good assessment. I'll offer another if I may. I'm sat with my 8yr old now creating a "Sonic the Hedgehog" game. Will it make it easier for him to learn Unity or Lua? No. Will it help him understand the principles of objects, actions and routines that (once he's learned Lua or C#/C++) will help in the world of Unity etc? I think so. I can clearly see parallels between what he's doing with GBG (the mental processes) and what I do with ZIL.
Man I know nothing about game development I bought dreams for my PS4 and I don't understand how people on there make the games they do some of the stuff looks insane
@@StankGremlin its just putting it together I suppose. Have you ever looked at a film and thought "yeah I know exactly how all this was made"? Probably not.
@@copypastecoder3224 u poor thing. Stop lying to people. 😂 I’m in the industry we’re all moving to visual coding. I’m about a decade jobs like yours will be given to best of the best and that’s it. Your kid will be wasting their time learning languages that will likely be obsolete given we change languages every ten years or so
Project spark is my favorite game making game. It’s too bad that it’s server is already down
Yo I completely forgot spark was a thing, how was it overall?
@@punishedbread4779 the games in dreams seem better but I had a way easier time creating in project spark
What really that's sad 😭
Poor Conker… 😭
GBG has its issues. Lack of community features, confusing documentation, a handful of 'missing' nodon, and a decent chunk of underdeveloped tools, not to mention probably being a little too out of depth with its intended audience. That said, not providing enough tools to create fully fledged ideas and creations is not one of those failings. If anything, it was pretty clearly advertised in this way. It also was pretty clearly not meant to provide an 'on ramp' to more complex game design projects. It gamifies the process of learning logic, programming concepts, and game design in general by making it feel approachable and light hearted. Its learning toy centric advertisements are pretty clear about this especially compared to that of Dreams with ads depicting dozens of varied concepts showcasing the depth of its toolkit.
@Eetu13 Its not super comparable to either of those tbh and would actually be fairly robust as a game maker if it didn't have to be so limited due to performance issues.
But yeah, concept maker is about right tbh. It's great fun to tinker with and some people have already made cool stuff. I'm sure we'll see more and better things come out of GBG in the next few years but nothing transformative that's for sure
I'm serious about game development, and I like Game Builder Garage
5:55 you can! there is a swap game nodon!
Thank you. I was gonna say exactly this.
Imagine hating fun enough to make this video.
I have a lot more fun with GBG and feel less overwhelmed. The tutorials are so much more enjoyable to go through, not featuring another monotone dude. GBG makes making a game so much easier not because it's efficient or large scale but because it thinks of the new users more than any engine i've used before
I tooooootalty agree with you,i think he was blaming the game too much
As someone who grew up with LittleBigPlanet, GBC’s create mode is way too overcomplicated and restrictive.
At least its just $30. Tho I'm definitely disappointed by the limitations. I would love it to be like dreams
that wasn't the point its to get kids into coding if you want dreams use dreams
@@sandfanboy999 bruh this was over a year ago chill out
@@studioarentain3960 Ik I’m just saying
People have been making big games by using the swap game nodon. Also this is a game coder designed for kids
Scratch: am i a joke to you
@@TheMarioMakerMaster Scratch is better 100%
@@cukoo4legos Yea the only website i got #1 on tredning and almost 1k follows
I fully agree with your opinion. I was thinking of a paradox with platforms like Scratch or GBG. They make more people do “gamedev” but lots are stuck with platform’s limitations. The lower barrier to entry platform has, the more limitations it has. It’s fine for people that just wanna play around, but people that could do more with right tools could be stuck without knowing what to switch to, wasting their time for nothing, thinking of creative workarounds.
The answer may be having something built on top of another powerful engine. Core is the example. You can easily create games with Core, but if you hit the limit, you just switch to pure UE. It might not work if abstraction of UE and Core are very different, but that’s just an example, I didn’t even ever used Core. The better example may be Bolt in Unity.
I understand where you are coming from, but let me make a joke comment.
"aw yes, C++, every kid's favorite way to make something jump"
What
C++ ?!? COBOL !!
5:55 may I introduce you to the swap game nodon
ITs not even supposed to be a serious game designer. Just get unity and bolt and have fun but game builder garage is designed for kids ages 6 to 12.
This is for kids to get excited about excited and thinking about building. No serious programmer would touch this
This isn't supposed to be a actual game engine that is supposed to do Final Fantasy VII The return of cheese.
A game developer is not gonna make his games on this lmao
Didn't a game dev recreate smash brothers using this? I remember seeing something about that recently. Think it was just kind of a demo of what you could accomplish in gbg.
I’m gonna be making serious games soon but I still like this game
Oh well, guess I'll stop the development of recreating Nintendo Land on Nintendo Switch, darn.
I haven’t watched the video, this is a direct response to the title, no fucking shit, it’s literally for kids/for messing around on
This video makes sense but something makes it make even less sense: why you comparing Garage to Unity, Unreal, etc, when those are real game makers and garage is supposed to be for kids that want to make games easily. On one hand, you'll never make a true game in Game Builder Garage like you can in Unity, Unreal, Roblox, or even Scratch, because of the 512 node limit, but on the other hand, it's a $30 game on a console that's 2 generations behind in power compared to its competition, what the hell do you expect?
I bought it anyways.
Is this a joke ? Comparing a system that my 7 years old daughter can use to learn the basics concepts of creating a game, with Unity and Unreal engine ?
This is a great entry level tool, that can motivate people (very young people) to discover other tools.
But of course it could be more powerful...
It's not terrible or anything. Garage just feels like it was meant for making VERY simplistic Warioware style micro games. It's great for teaching some basics of logic and some basic game design. After that, it's limitations become pretty clear.
I feel like the point of GBG itself is less for you to really get into game development and more for you to practice some of the general concepts that you'll be using a lot once you truly do get into it. Possibly the reason why this is only $30 is to act as a supplement to what your already doing rather than a replacement and speaking as somebody who does use unity and the like, I can see myself getting some mileage out of this despite how cumbersome it can be at times.
Having a game development tool on the go is a pretty huge plus (if the steam deck ends up letting me run Unity on it however, that's probably gonna be a GG for this though lol) but I will admit that several times throughout my time using this I was missing a lot of the QoL features and capabilities that Dreams has.
It's a starter for someone interested in game design. My son is six and wants to make games. This is a good intro for him
In other news, the day is not night
At first I thought you were being a bit unfair since this is no doubt more meant as a child's first introduction to game-making concepts, but looking at that Node Map or whatever looks like it's going to repel children under a certain age, and by time they'd be old enough to largely grok what's going on it's still probably going to be too limiting. It's a shame because even if you're not serious about making games (yet), it feels like this is nothing more than a cute distraction but hardly a worthwhile tool compared to the myriad number of options out there.
Its not for me to be serious, Im a real game dev, but I just want some fun
This game is geared towards kids, but I don't think it is that intuitive to them, doesn't really prepare you for real game engines besides learning about game design. But it's too limited for adults.
Honestly I would say this game audience are game devs that likes limitations and want to break this engine, with the benefit of being portable (I know I bought for this reason lol)
Like pico18, or flipnote but for game devs
For those interested in GBG, the game does a solid job introducing absolute beginners to the idea and concepts of game design.
The video isn’t entirely wrong since it is true that GBG has extreme limitations compared to other game engines like Unity and Unreal, but if this is your very first time even dabbling in game design, it’s a nice start.
The nodons and basic game building skills you’ll learn in GBG can be brought with you when you decide to finally jump into game design.
Just like any skill, there will be a learning curve once you’ve jumped to a more sophisticated engine, but you’ll be familiar with the idea of visual scripts and game concepts that you can try out on game engines after familiarizing yourself with its UI, controls, etc.
There are so many cool creations in GBG that you can see around the internet, and it’s a nice start if you’re a beginner.
I do it to remake games so I don’t have to waste 40 dollars on mini games
This is just a game that isn’t meant to be serious. I started playing this because I want to be a developer but didn’t want to jump into a thing like unity because that’s really complicated. I
In dreams the fact that you can create your own models, audio, music, pixels that doesn’t look janky, films, games, makes it better, not only that Dreams has vr, couch coop 4 - players, soon will have online multiplayer, community jams (mm chooses a topic and we make something out of it), badges, our own profile, all it takes to make something is patience and learning the tools...(But I understand coming from a garage makers view, Dreams is on ps4, garage maker is on Nintendo, many may compare both, both are educational, both are fun makers, the only way to solve this issue is by making a video about the beef between Dreams vs Garage Maker 🤣✍🏽
Personally Dreams is alot better than game builder garage also in price tag
GBG is a neat game for people new to making games but it does have limitations
Sure the game does have a game swap nodon but the problem is how limiting
you still have to transfer the nodons that most of the game that takes up
(I maybe wrong) but im guessing you cant have data of nodons go between games
Ie you cant keep coins from Game A and game swap to Game B
Dreams is also new for people, however its more serious of a game maker than GBG
you dont have major limitations limiting creatifity
Its not just nodons, you can make and share objects, whole scripts, textures, songs ect all in basically a workshop
Scratch another game maker, has alot of simlair elements of game builder expect without most of the issues
(At the end of the day im salty that GBG costs more than Dreams lol)
Wait it cost more? I thought dreams was 40$
0:51 “And that, is why programmers use text.”
You forget that the PRIMARY audience is elementary and middle school age children, while they can pick up and learn ACTUAL game dev engines, this is meant as something completely barebones…
>sees title
>"no shit"
BriHard Channel Isn't For People Serious About Creative Content.
it can be for people serious about game dev, but they shouldn't expect much out of it. its somewhat comparable to scratch
U know this is made for young people and that it's just made for fun not for making a real game what did u thought that Nintendo would make a engine stop smoking drugs bro
basicly if your okay painting a canvas with a stick and mold from the basement as pigment.
there ya go, have fun with game builder garage. good for kids though
I'm not gonna like or dislike this video, but I disagree. This software isn't meant to be used as a game engine for full games. It's meant for kids.
I don't think it was meant to be lol, it's for kids
Idk why but now i really want to make a top down rpg and idk if this would be good cuz i dont have a pc
Yes, this game is definitely good for making concepts in. Just be aware it does have it's limits, however it should get you in the general mindset of what coding is about. Also, little side note, top-down games are some of the more simple games to make, and there are plenty of tutorials for them online for when you do get a PC.
Just got this game and it’s tutorial style is not for me since I prefer for example: being given a book, a toolbox, and unlimited materials and being told to build a house
It’s game design principles you learn here regardless which are still handy. This is still a game MAKER at the end of the day (although you could still make basic tools like calculator if you really want I guess). Game ENGINES are obviously more advanced. We can’t dismiss stepping stones like this.
If this had MUCH, MUCH, more Nodon and connections, games that have multiple parts could be downloaded in 1, more space for games and being able to use the GBG website IN the game, this would be perfect. Overall, it’s a good game, but it’s mostly for minor or basic games. Unless your insanely dedicated to make a REALLY LONG GBG game through multiple parts, it’s not really all the good for making a long lasting game. I still do enjoy it, and the fact it simplifies usually complex ways of coding shows it has some potential in my eyes.
It is just for people who want to make games quick and easy for fun like me
jesus christ mate its a kids game by nintendo, not unreal engine 4.
hello people made actual games in this
Kid: yay mommy let get gbg i’m so excited 😀😀😀
This guy: imagine using gbg yes use Unity instead
Kid: but I don’t know how to use unity
This guy: too bad
He needs to leave the game alone a switch can only do so much and it’s for lil kids to want to take it serious
5:55
Swap game nodon:what about me?
Lol pretty sure nobody who is serious about game development is taking this seriously as game development
It’s a game for kids
Gbg is definitely aimed at people like me because I'm young but definitely I can understand why you would think that the game wouldn't be for people who are aiming to be making full proper games but it is a good start
I've bought this for my kids, in fact I'm sat here with them now trying to work out how to end a game by touching an object - I stumbled across your video en route. So, GBG learns the basic associations of IF X HAPPENS TO Y THEN Z. This is no different in terms of logic to my coding in ZIL (a LISP language). It's not meant to be a colourful alternative to Unity or even Visual Lua. It let's them design a character, design a level, code some logic using Nodons (actions, objects and routines) for things to happen.
No dip sherlock.
Why would you think it was? There is no point comparing a game builder for kids, to a game engine used in professional fields. It's meant to be fun, not meant for a tool to make your next big game. Rather just to make smaller prototype-like games. GBG is a lot like Pico 8. I don't think Pico 8 was ever made for serious developers. Rather it's a fantasy computer that allows you to easily create fun prototypes.
You are correct in saying it is a proof-of-concept builder. Seems great for that. No one building a serious game would choose an engine that doesn't allow you to sell the product. LOL.
Now that a while's passed, maybe try looking again.
I'd say it was designed for younger audiences to get introduced into a sort-of process of making a game, while yes, actual development requires coding, I'd say this is a good entry point.
labo garage (nintendo labo) is the second option for make fan game of nintendo...
Never underestimate a game like that
Mario Maker is an example
Edit: but still kinda needs updates
Its actually for serious developers as they can test there mind to make games.
Broo ITS FOR KIDS
Labo's version is more powerful and can make much better games. It's more worth it, actually. Besides 2D drawing. this is my opinion.
Two words “swap game”
This is a game to teach kids the basics of coding. Why are you being so harsh to it.
This video is ironically a waste of time lmao
I take this by offense
Why does Game Builder exist when it can only do so little?
It's great for kids.
@@hoisoynono I can see that. Gets kids interested in game development
@@InkfinityOkamix3 I'm pretty sure kids are the target audience anyways. The tutorial seems designed for them.
I’m only 14 but, in my opinion, I think I’m a pretty decent level designer. I think this is a good game to help me improve on level design, but DEFINITELY not coding. I 100% agree that GBG is one of the weakest game making tool kits out there, but I’m so young and even though I want to become a game maker when I get older, I think I should just stick with the super simple game making tool kits for a little bit and then start learning how to use more advanced tool kits out there such as Unity.
I like to ponder the question "Is it possible for me to make [insert random game idea/game/etc] in GBG?"
Personally, I feel like this is a tool for young designers to learn new concepts in coding. I have taken JavaScript before, yet some of this still helped me learn their modern equivalents. So is it a waste? Depends from person to person. A professional designers? Yes, you’d be better off actually creating games. But a child/teenager who would love to code someday? No, and this could feel like a tool to use for learning, kind of like a Scratch clone, but with some concepts dropped for new ones.
Honestly, I think games like Dream and GBG could help introduce people to coding, since many don’t attempt learning, even though it can serve yourself even without a computer. I was making a game on here to test its capabilities, and I needed to learn how to make walk cycles. After a tutorial, it made sense, even with the limitations of the game. If a kid was introduced to games like these, I feel it could introduce them to more formal engines like Unreal or Unity.
I’m 13, I know C#, C++ and gdscript and I think the platform isn’t very good for teaching any coding except for basic variables and constants, which are taught in basic algebra anyways. I think a lot of people could have more fun on roblox studio than GBG because it’s user friendly and easier to learn. It also uses a coding language called Lua that is a good starter language for younger people and new coders.
I never thought an opinion could be wrong before
It's simplified for kids to understand...
It needs to be called mini game builder garage
There's a swap game node
While I still think Game Builder is cool, you make a good point.
Good video, man, but I'm noticing your audio is sounding a touch scratchy and tinny in this vid as opposed to your past ones.
Hey make a vídeo teaching going from garage to unity
Yea what would you think it’s for
Is this video serious? 🧐😂 I’m in the industry myself…this game…is for…CHILDREN. Not to mention it’s absolutely fantastic way for children to familiarize with nodes. Clearly no one is going to become a serious game builder garage game maker like come on this is for…enjoyment. Or I suppose u could use that new term “edutainment” 😂 but get over yourself this is a rude video. I myself work in 3D modeling and art directing mainly and I thought this game was nice to understand the purpose of nodes. In my opinion all nodes are essentially the same so to understand the nodes system as a whole is a great foundation for many.
this game is better than any other game that lets you code, it even teaches you how to, I beat all lessons in a week that's how serious I am about it, I'm a kid doing it, I've already created pinball game
Have you guys ever heard of blueprints in unreal and bolt in unity? They look like garage but is a little complex. You don't have to put a line of code just put in a block. But it isn't that easy it will take a little bit to understand but the more you use it the more easier it gets.
this is probably the best review for this software that exists. thanks codecel
Why cant we just have roblox studio on the switch?
I would love that!
@Tazer-Works yeah that is true, it plays well on iPad and pc
@Tazer-Works oh I know, I meant roblox is available for free on the iPad but hopefully I will be able to get roblox studio on my steam deck early next year 😏
@Tazer-Works roblox studio is on steam I have it on my laptop I assume you mean by studio you mean the option to make your own roblox games, which this has
@Tazer-Works roblox on pc has the option of roblox studio where you can make your own roblox games