Ronnie Coleman: Mr. 8x Olympia to 13 Spine Sugeries. Here's what happened...
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- Опубликовано: 8 апр 2023
- In this video, Dr. Webb breaks down Ronnie Colemans documentary: The King and gives his thoughts on having 13 spine surgeries
Timestamps
0:01 Introduction
1:15 Why lifting and squatting heavy weights is bad for your back
2:52 Dr. Webb explains what happens when you don't let your muscles recover
4:52 Why overtraining is bad for your back and neck
5:29 What long standing lifting does to your posture and gait
6:04 Consequences of continued lifting despite doctors recommendations to stop
6:41 The most powerful pain medication
7:20 What long standing heavy lifting does to your cartilage
8:06 Dr. Webb's thoughts on chiropractic treatment for weight lifters
8:52 What is a herniated disc?
9:13 What symptoms can a herniated disc cause?
9:27 What is cauda equina syndrome?
11:03 What is the surgical treatment for a disc herniation?
12:08 Explanation of Ronnie Coleman's x rays
13:13 What is a spinal/hardware block?
15:50 What is an ALIF (anterior lumbar interbody fusion)?
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I misspoke in this video about squatting. I meant to say that you should not squat heavy. In moderation is ok.
Have you seen Ronnie Coleman’s documentary, The King? If you haven’t, go watch it! Very eye opening 🤯
I have a question so last year I had a grade 3 high ankle sprain which cause my fibula to break and also need surgery on my ankle to fix the dislocation and my ligaments that completely tore after surgery the dr just prescribed me pain medication that’s it and told me just keep my leg elevated for a curtain amount of months and don’t put any weight on my ankle for like 3 months but long story short I ended up with a DVT/blood clot in my leg the one I had surgery on like 2 weeks later which obviously scared me I got on blood thinners I later found out with the surgery I had I should have been given blood thinners as well he dr said he didn give me it because of my age I should have been low risk
So my question is the dr at fault or am I at fault for the blood blot ?
Can you please do a video on tiger woods and his difficulty walking recently.And the trauma gold puts on the spine
And on top of all the pain he is in he now has to deal with being addicted to opiates.
@Dr Antonio How much weight would you recommend for squats and deadlift to reduce the risk of a disc injury ??
@desertdweller129 I'm no Dr., but I would first ask why lift so heavy? If you're training to be a powerlifter, then it makes sense. If you're training as a bodybuilder, then reps & diet (& gear they all take) is far more a contributor to that look. The mags of the past & youtube today help create a culture of lift big to get big. I doubt there's a magic number as to how much anyone should lift. Higher rep sets, drop sets, volume training etc all seem to work much more effectively for bodybuilding. What some guys lift, or appear to lift, for a photo shoot isn't always what they lift in the bulk of their actual training.
Its sad to see Ronnie Coleman in so much pain. He dedicated his entire life up to fitness and building his body. I hope this surgery will relieve his pain.
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NO, NO, NO....Ronnie did NOT dedicate his life to "fitness"!!! He dedicated his life to professional bodybuilding which has absolutely nothing whatever to do with fitness, it's all about just obtaining a certain look to compete for titles, cash prizes, and trophies. Pro bodybuilding is an extreme sport that requires lifting heavy weights and using large amounts of steroids and other dangerous drugs which are totally counterproductive to health and fitness. Weight training by itself can be a healthy activity if done in moderation just for exercise, but competitive bodybuilding is a completely different activity so don't get the two confused.
@Canefu he is just built different
@@rileyfreeman7122get off your knees lil man and invest in a gym membership, get it together before I find you and do it for you
There’s absolutely nothing that Ronnie has done that relates to fitness. Nothing.
It's very sad to live with horrible, excruciating pain on a daily basis; I hope Ronnie can find some relief.
🙏🏽🫶🏽
He has. It's called OxyContin. And due to poor life choices he'll spend the rest of his life a opioid dependant semi cripple. To bad.
He can use Vicodin for relief
He is relieved watch him on Joe rogan, he was high as a kite on oxy or whatever opioids they have given him like candy.
Dude was so high he was almost nodding.
Bodybuilding is addictive for sure. I feel for Ronnie the Champion. I spent 20 + years lifting heavy 6 days a week, working 7 days a week in manual labor, never sleeping more than 2-3 hours a night. It was crazy! Now like Ronnie, I’ve had multiple back surgeries, injections etc. chronic pain in both legs and the spine surgeon says don’t lift anymore and I listen. Took up fishing instead!
One has to listen to their body. I lift 6 days a week with 6-7.5 hrs sleep. 50% Compression frature iin my mid back keeps me working out but no squats. Hack squat instead
it's not worth it!
Over 50 now, it was a good run from the late 1980s-2018, happy to be alive and able to walk.
boggles my mind how one could function with that much training/stress and such little sleep. I train 5 times a week and try to go for a short run on the two rest days. If I get less than 7 hours of sleep for more than 2-3 days a week I already feel completely fcked.
i dont wanna be obose@@beyondview
His problem isn't his body but his mind. He's unable to stop compulsive exercise despite tremendous pain and actual damage.
His problem is that he trusted his surgeon and underwent all these surgeries.
Fair to say at this point that the problem is of both body & mind.
@@jayceontaylor9209 Ronnie obviously need SOME surgery. He claims the first surgeries weren't done properly , but we haven't heard of him winning any lawsuits, so it's just as likely that continued lifting was the culprit. Rods built to allow for normal activity can't be assumed to hold up to heavy barbell back-squats. On the other hand, MAYBE, if Ronnie had been willing to stop lifting,THEN he wouldn't've needed surgery.
@@lazur1 Yeah if he was willing to stop lifting for a period of time to desensitize his back. Afterwards he would've been able to slowly start lifting (heavy) again. His first back injury was just a herniated disc. Nothing that would have stopped him from working out and nothing that required a surgery. He obviously didn't listen to his body and trained with pain and didn't allow his injury to heal. He just didn't have the knowledge to cure his back with a conservative treatment.
@@jayceontaylor9209 He screwed up twice: First when he could’ve healed naturally by taking 90 days off , second when the vertebrae would’ve fused together in 90 days. The rods and screws were never intended to take stress, they were there to keep the vertebrae in position to fuse, THEN you can squat.
I've hurt my lower back multiple times, but have never needed surgery.
I just let it rest and heal.
Watching this video made my back start to hurt like I just reinjured it!
I cannot imagine the pain that Ronnie endures daily!!
I feel your pain
disc?
Same, I have 4 lower back injuries and now I can’t squad more than 100lbs… I as well never had surgery and like you I just let it rest and heal by itself.
If I use I machine I can push more though.
Same. Watching made my back hurt a bit. And I've had episodes of back pain too but no surgery.
@@SGTCantuur not healed tho....its gonna catch up later
Noone mentions the primary cause of these injurys.
It is 100% down to steroid use.
Steroids ramp up muscle mass 4 fold in 10 x shorter time period. The muscles themsleves are high stength yet ligaments are not - this is a slow process, neither does the skeleton - this is an exceptionally slow process.
Under natural circumstances, the muscle mass is constrained to genetic limits for a reason which balance with ligament and skeletal stength. It would simply not allow one to move so much weight, it would be impossible. Therefore protecting the ligaments and bones.
Its like putting a v12 engine into a toyota prius and destroying the transmission.
Exactly! Everyone looks for ways to grow muscle. No one thinks about all the other systems that have to be stronger. You don't see bodybuilders worried about their spinal disc strength or their cartilage.
Yet people will think you’re wrong and say your body has no limits.
HGH doesn’t increase bone density? Or other anabolics? I have heard that some newer SARMS and anabolic steroids have been shown to strengthen bone density while the subject is cycling on. Thoughts? Just curious myself.
@@SkitsByChris Testosterone is a factor in bone density, but I doubt if steroids would increase bone density as fast as muscle strength. Bones just don't adapt very fast.
No, his injury is purely idiocy. His injury was not such a big deal until he made it big, by expanding the damage despite being told what he is doing to his injury.
Spine injury has no management other than rest in straight position and slow stretching to bring it back to center position. Everything else makes it worse , massaging, movements touching everything makes it worse
Best break down and honest medical diagnosis and opinion of the damage that can be done when pushing excessive weight in training.....very well and educated prognosis....thankyou my man. 🇦🇺
I'm grateful for finding this video and its warnings. As a chronic pain patient due to spinal injury, I feel validated for NOT listening to others when told to push beyond my capabilities and preserving my focus on future mobility and health.
Hopeful that others will care well for themselves...
I just had a microdiscectomy a month ago. Herniated discs are no joke😢. I injured my back doing squats and it was the worst pain ive ever experienced. Severe foot drop in right foot, numbness in areas of both legs, severe pain in both butt cheeks. Eventually i couldnt walk and was using a wheelchair... it was the worst. Im in San Antonio, TX and thankfully my surgeon, Dr. Galvan, fixed me up. Im still healing but i feel like my old self again. After going through this experience, i came to appreciate all that you great spine orthopedic Dr.'s do. 👏
Good luck! Have had same condition with paralysis and excruciating pain in both legs though mostly in the right one; I was unable to sleep for months and barely functioning any more. So far no operation, but have very slowly been improving over the better part of a year, with ups and downs, though still not good. I feel for Ronnie and anyone who's going through similar; it truly is the worst pain for the longest time I've ever had.
How are you doing now?
Wheather herinated disc heal without surgery???
Had sciatica or a bulging disc or something. Legit could barely walk for 3 days. Spent most of the time in bed trying to stretch my hips/hammies eventually after a week + I could walk but back was still fked for like 4 weeks. I’m a boilermaker lol so I had no income coming in 😢😢😢
How much weight were you squatting?
I love stressing the importance of recovery. I feel like it isn't valued enough with fitness and health nor is it taken as seriously as exercising itself. Mr. Coleman may be in immense pain but his mental fortitude outweighs that. It sucks he has to live like that, but he's living and reinforcing the importance of rest and moderation.
This was a really good video.
No...he's reinforcing how stupid lifting heavy weights is
@@richardlawson6787what about Mike O Hearn? He’s still lifting heavy at 55
@@christianjon8064he is on trt
I think the problem with training less often is its difficult to eat clean its alot of prep and not cheap so you end up eating not so clean food then feel the need to either burn it off or turn it to muscle its a vicious cycle because the cheaper unhealthy food leads to bad bones and muscle tissue amongst other internal weaknesses
I needed to hear this, I've learned something very important today. I Can Appreciate a channel and M.D. that provides information such as this. Thanks for sharing.
I couldn't even imagine the amount of Pain Ronnie is In. The amount of pain has to be absolutely excruciating . I pray for Ronnie, and for his pain. My only wish is that the Dr.'s help him as much as they can with his Medication. I hope somehow that his Medication is enough for his pain. We're all praying for you Ronnie!!!!!! Good luck i
Yesterday I read that Ronnie said that compared to Arnold he was nothing. Ronnie, as much as I love Arnie , you won more Olympics than AS and in a much more competitive era; you took the human physique as close to the maximum as anyone else ever did, (I'm a British so I must shout out, at this point, along with Dormans Yates.) You don't need Hollywood or any roles in blockbuster movies... You will FOREVER be a legend sir !
A legend? Dude. He's in pain. Lol.
I think the point he tried to make was that Arnold had a better Approach or mentality (sorry I am German so I don't really know how to word it) to Bodybuilding than he had in his Prime, meaning Arnold wasn't really about wining this game but to change it to his favour (perfect symmetry and V shape focus). because we need to look at what Arnold did, he changed the game in his time as a pro. of course Coleman did the same for his era, but of the cost of damaging his body in the process.
Bodybuilding at the level Ronnie competed at is an extreme sport and nobody was more extreme than Ronnie. Arnold 's approach was less extreme purely because he didn't have the competition to his no. 1 spot that Ronnie had. (Jay Cutler, Dorian Yates, etc.) Arnold was pretty much untouchable. That said, he said himself in Pumping Iron that he had "thrown up many times while working out" & had " no fear of fainting in a gym." Ronnie was king of a highly competitive kingdom, he was (& always will be) a legend. Anyone who questions that knows nothing about bodybuilding at that level and (therefore) has no right to mock or belittle a true Olympian legend!
Ronnie is a humble guy. Arnold is still considered the greatest bodybuilder of all time by many; he took bodybuilding where it had never gone before. Ronnie also took it where it hadn’t gone before. Probably too far but that was his choice.
Always listen to your body. If something doesn't feel right, don't force it. Some exercises are more stressful for some of us due to varying anatomy. Accepting the limits of your body is also very important. Ronnie never wanted to experience that. I see so many people destroying their bodies in the gym every day... It's sad.
I always recommend yoga as a low-stress way to get your muscles back into a normal state. Weightlifting is an inherently violent process you’re putting your body through, so it’s important to relieve the stress caused from that violence
Thank you Dr. Webb. Fascinating to see a huge muscles man Ronnie Coleman health documentary. I wish him well and recovery.
Awesome presentation yet again. Thanks.
Why am I feeling pain in my back just by listening to him?! Is it only me or anyone else who's feeling the same!😂
😢 that me😂😂😂😂😂
Lmao I’m sitting on the couch squirming around to see if my back feels weird while listing to him hahahahaha
😂😂😂
Me toooo holy shit
@@Couffee😂😂😂 me too I'm trying laying on the bed to see if the discomfort goes away. It's a nightmare, I really don't know how he does it. I really want to know.
Thank you for reacting to this. Ronnie is my favorite bodybuilder because he shows what it means to really give your life to your craft. He's had 13 surgeries and has 8 Mr. Olympia titles and he'll do it all over again, no regrets.
Definitely convinced me to lay off the heavy squats though haha.
ALSO DON'T DEADLIFT
@@leelunk8235 Just don’t go to gym and stick to home exercises.
Yeah I used to watch him all the time adn then I thought "hmmmm whats he been up to?" and I saw updated videos and i was likle damn... after college I kept lifting heavy and heavy and I had a scare where I thought I destroyed my disc as I could barly walk for 3-4 days, it ended up being a bone bruise and I dont go above 315 on the squat anymore, and I always tell people dont dead lift. I Wont dead lift.
@@leelunk8235why is that? If properly programmed to progress in smart manner, using weights that you can handle, and proper form, deadlifts are NOT bad at all.
@@raftaar3587 DEADLIFT IS GARBAGE MY BOI, WEAR AND TEAR OF THE BACK IS ALL YOU'RE GETTING, YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY THINK THAT YOU'RE BUILDING MUSCLE FROM IT, TO BUILD MUSCLE IS SUPER DIFFICULT, IN A DEADLIFT YOU'RE NOT CONTRACTING ANYTHING, JUST YOUR LOWER BACK, SO TO BUILD MUSCLE YOU NEED TO CONTRACT THE MUSCLE, IN DEADLIFT YOU DON'T CONTRACT CRAP, ALSO, ANYTIME YOU PICK UP A HEAVY BOX FROM THE FLOOR THEY SHOW YOU TO SQUAT, THEN LIFT UP WITH SPINE STRAIGHT, ERGONOMICALLY A DEADLIFT SHOWS YOU THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF HOW YOU SHOULD PICK UP A HEAVY BOX. DON'T DO THAT CRAP , PERIOD!
What a blessing this video has been!
I’m 62 years old and 250 pounds and in excellent condition. I have been carefully been trying to get back to squats! Especially heavy.
I am officially done with this quest.
Thank you Dr. Webb!
Thank you Dr. Webb for your commentary. Very informative.
Thank you Dr.Webb for the information which I'm sure serve as an immense eye-opener to most of us. I'm sorry for Mr.Coleman. He was just living his life without doing harm to anyone. If he loves the gym why not? But sometimes there is no reason, no answers.
The reason and answer is called 8x Mr.Olympia.
so i understood that i should avoid back squats and front squats. but what about back supported exercises - like hack squats and leg press? are they safe? what about dumbbell lunges and Bulgarian split squats - is the lower back not safe with those exercises?
@@bobdarrick2628 back squats are fine. This MD is out of his field and expertise and should understand that and not talk about what is or is not a good exercise.
Great channel and great evaluation. My stepfather had posters of Ronnie Colman; sad to see that this has happened. Some of us have pushed our bodies further than it can handle. Subbed.
Super interesting video on mega athletes. Thank you for the discussion Dr. Webb!
I am 56, and I have weight train since my Football days back in HS. My doctor told me a few years ago not to lift too heavy anymore, he said "you do more harm than good." After seeing this video of Ronnie Coleman, I am so glad I listened to his advice!
good video doc.... After 2 back surgeries, I called it. I see why he did 13, the next doctor always says they can make it better. Luckily I had a good pain management doc that sat me down and said, "the only thing another surgery is going to do for you is add more scar tissue and create more pain for you. Your walking now, we have your pain under control, let sleeping dogs lie."
His training schedule is crazy!
No room for recovery if you're training everyday save Sunday! In my youthful days, bodybuilding was one of my hobbies. Back then, I use to do heavy weights days interspersed with light days. How come a pro like him was so obsessed with training that hard! Insane routine. Speedy recovery champ.
Thank you Dr. Webb great explanation and take on this video.
That documentary made me sad for Mr. Coleman and probably was the start of me backing off from heavy lifting.
Me too, especially as I got older. You can't trust some of these fitness gurus & youtubers because not all are honest about what they're taking (Liver King comes to mind!).
I hurt my lower back about 7 years ago when I missed the rack after my heavy set on squats. I walked sideways for a week, did a lot of stretching and recovered in a couple of months. I went back to heavy squatting, almost got close to 500lbs, but now I feel pain on both hips and I'm calling it a quit. I've chosen to only do bodyweight squats or used light medicine-ball. It still gets the job done. I also incorporate leg extensions, leg curls and bodyweight lunges to my leg workouts. I feel a little better now and my wife benefits a lot from that. Lol! I want to be 70 and still be able to perform basic functional fitness movements
@@DadefreshXLcall if quit or by 70 you will feel it
@Freshinferno Why not still squat but instead of going heavy do like 60% of 1 rep max. Gradually increase weight, you can slow the tempo on the eccentric, change up the type of squats, reps. Squats are great for beginners, but once you get to a certain strength level it becomes a very dangerous exercise. Just to many other routes to take to develop your legs other then 500lb squats.
Thanks for sharing 🙏🏾
A hefty price 👀
Prayers out Ronnie Coleman 🕊️
People die everyday not accomplishing anything in life, Ronnie achieved Legendary feats with his.
Mountaineering, Base Jumping, MotoGP etc. Are just a few examples of how MANY people lose thier lives pursuing thier Dreams every year. Ronnie on the other hand got injured after Surpassing his Dreams many times over. Truly Inspiring human being
💯💪🏿👑
So what legacy did that leave? You work hard at winning top demolition champion of the human body and inspire up-and-comers to do what...the same thing. Dying early (and he will) because of stupidity makes you a failure and that is the legacy you leave behind? How to shorten your lifespan and win some trophies for it for a few rippled muscles. Wow, people couldn't possibly get any dumber than they are in modern day.
🤡🤡🤡🤡
What exactly did he accomplish besides something that doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things?
Look at Jay Cutler, healthy lifting and has NO injuries now.
I love Ronnie Coleman. Yeah, buddy! He was so huge, so strong, and then the injuries piled up and so did the surgeries. Did he not understand the damage he was doing to himself? Did a psychologist speak with him? It is so sad to see him trying to walk. May he heal and regain some of his health and live a joyous life. Prayers for you, Ronnie. 🙏❤️🙏
"Thats all he can say.🤣🤣😂😂🤪
@@johndavid5618If he never walks again. At least he's a living legend.
@@stephenwangondu3618
Pain level 12, 13.
Yeah. Legend. Living for others.
That's what legend means.
I rather feel good.
F others opinions.
They asked a bunch of pro athletes if they could take a pill and win the gold but die 12months later would they take it, and most said yes.
@@kingcosworth2643 you mean 12 months earlier not later, and Ronnie wont die 12 months earlier his pain meds that are highly addictive will kill him way sooner than the age he would of lived to had he of listen to the Doctors, i admire his commitment but he is an abuser of drugs and that will follow over to his pain meds
You should do a video on the other 8 times Mr Olympia, Lee Haney. 63 years old on this day. Seems fit and outliving many of today's bodybuilders.
Mass monsters in the 90s made everything much worse in terms of health
Because he was smarter.
Salute to the Dr. Proud of you man. This is what needs to be promoted not spots and entertainment.
I'm 50 years old. I've never lifted heavy weights in the gym, but I was a skateboarder for 25 years, and have had jobs that require heavy lifting my whole life. I eat well and take vitamins, and try to rest as much as possible. I walk like Ronnie walks sometimes at the end of my work day. It sucks and it's a huge impact on quality of life for me.
Same
I learned years ago most people using heavyweight are wasting time because they do more damage than anything else.
Thank you Dr Webb. You’re very well spoken and knowledgeable. You put the situation in layman terms perfectly.
Fake doctor no blacks are doctors
Ronnie is awesome and so are the doctors-thanks 4 this video; as a former bodybuilder and still lifting this encourages me to be safe and teach that to others I help!!
New Subb! Great video & breakdown… slowly working my way back into the gym after a 20 year hiatus. RC is a legend Peace & Blessings to him & his family 💪🏾🙏🏾
Thank you Dr. Webb. I really enjoyed this video and I posted it on my Facebook page. God bless you!
Thank you, Dr. Webb, a very down to earth and informative presentation. To my mind, sadly, you might well have entitled this video "Welcome to the Real World of Pain". Now that I'm age 77 I have come to realize the importance of balance and caution in all that we do because if we push too hard or heedlessly "leap before we look" the negative consequences, however unintended, can be very severe indeed. It's rather like running track...a lot of people go out too fast and then they don't have anything left coming down the home stretch.
Hopefully u secure the bag Dr Webb - you would make a great professor some day! Great vid.
My father was a lifter when I was growing up (still is) but herniated a lumbar fist when he was 35. Being fairly young, he recovered quick from surgery. I took up lifting in High School. Nearly 20yrs later, I’m still at it, but have always been super concerned about back safety. Never had any disc injuries or anything requiring surgery. A couple of yrs ago I also incorporated daily yoga into my routine, and it’s been wonderful as well.
So sad to see Ronnie Coleman in so much pain. Prayers for him.🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Time to recover! Thank you, Dr. for saying this. People don't understand that muscles are torn down in the gym but grow outside of the gym!
Well, they generally do. But they usually think a day’s rest is enough.
@@Emma-Rexactly and they like to think their so good and strong because of that fact how they go to the gym almost everyday when in reality when we are all 60 years old their going to be the ones suffering from those areas if not careful enough
Bodybuilding to those extremes is extremely unhealthy.
Wow! Groundbreaking take there 🙄
@@eddieogunif only someone would make an 18 minute long video explaining it
He didn’t do it just for fun. He did it for competition, to improve himself. Still the goat.
Oh rly?
@@OysterTranAnd now he’s hooked on Oxy. Sad.
Thank you Mr. Ronnie Coleman, to allow Dr. Webb to elaborate this thematic about your body. In such a deep personal aspect of your life.
Great informative video. Well done 👏
Glad you liked it!
Ronnie is a thoroughly likable guy with an uncommon genetic makeup that continues to dominate his life. I wish that his next surgery could eliminate his pain, but I know that if it did, he'd immediately engage in heavy lifting six hours a day.
Roids you mean
hes doing it his way, he wanted still working out. he doesnt have to prove anytime anymore. hes a legend
You laid this out nicely good edit
Excellent explanation!
I agree with all your advices. Especially, give your body time to rest and listen to your body. Thanks for the tips and info Dr. Webb. Great video!
Advice, not “advices”.
I'm sure if Ronnie could do it all over, he wouldn't change a thing.
Yeah it's his passion. He looked really good at 25 though, then he just became an monster
Can't say if he would or would not. One thing for sure he would not want to be in the position he is currently in. If he doesn't mind the position he is in now then something is wrong with his head.
W comment
He would change, he said that hinself in a interview a few years ago, but saddly what he would change was another bad thing for he's body, doing 1 more squat with the heaviest weight he could lift when he was at he's peak.
He had, and still has a sick mind and because of that he's body pay the price.
Said he'd go for 5 reps on 800 solid pound squat
Thanks Dr Webb . Very informative.
Well said Dr. Webb. I have a world of respect for you and Ronnie.
Ronnie Coleman is a true legend in the art of bodybuilding 😃
I now understand further why I never was a fan of squatting,
I only do leg press, leg extensions, as well as leg curls.
Maybe calf machines....
I typically keep my movements strictly simple and low stress yet I get results.
Ronnie has my respect that is no doubt
okay so i understood that i should avoid back squats and front squats. but what about back supported exercises - like hack squats and leg press? are they safe? what about dumbbell lunges and Bulgarian split squats - is the lower back not safe with those exercises?
im thinking that squats should just be avoided.
@@bobdarrick2628I would think that hacksquats and V squats on the machine are much less taxing on your spine. Bulgarians less so but I’m sure better than a back squat. I rarely ever do barbell back squats because of my knees and how taxing it is on my body. I listen to my body. I get results just fine from doing leg press, extension, and goblet squats with reasonable weight going to failure. I see guys ego lifting and doing all sorts of stupid shit in the gym and I just SMH.
@@cowboymadeit65 I don’t have access to V squats and that’s fine with me.
@@cowboymadeit65 wait can we still go for squat 1RMs every 6 months or so? And then just with a normal routine, do Bulgarian split squats instead? Are squats more dangerous than deadlifts?
@@cowboymadeit65 and thanks
It really depends…and you have to lift smart. Tom Platz did way more squats than Ronnie and he gets around fine🤷🏻♂️
How do you know that
Yeah Tom Platz is known for super conservative exercise execution 😜
Excellent video 💯
Prayers sent, Ronnie!!!
This is a great video. I would be interested to hear a spine surgeons opinion on weight lifting overall. I feel pressure in my back on heavy bench as well. Curious on your opinions on all other core lifts and best practices for building muscle and staying in shape while avoiding damage to the body.
Do you keep your back flat on the bench till the lat rep when bench pressing, or do you sometimes arch your back during those last couple of reps?
I think it just gets real bad when ur doing heavy squars and deads. Like if ronnie stopped heavy squatting after he retired hede probably be walking ok today
The Olympic lifters who tend to prioritize front squats and overhead squats and hang cleans over deadlifts and back squats and go through a very full range of motion, not Coleman’s quarter rep squat tend to not have many injuries, usually just minor ones. The more serious ones are broken wrist bones.
He already told you what to do and what not to do, of you dont get it still, its on you
I needed this video in my early 20s (early 1990s) when I was squatting in the 400s and deadlifting in the 500s week in week out. Heavy triples, doubles and singles way too often. Likewise the young guys in my gym today doing exactly what I used to do (plus sometimes with terrible form thrown in) need this video. I have spondylolisthesis (forward slippage of L5 disc, grade 1 (least severe) and particularly after watching this consider myself fortunate to have generally zero, sometimes mild discomfort in the lower back day to day. I'm taking stock of my training priorities, what I should and should not be doing, so as to still be able to walk and function normally into my 60s, 70s and beyond.
So what is your advice then? Should we never do squatting and avoid bodybuilding etc.??
@@InnerLifePhotographyStick to calisthenics, flexibility/mobility and small weights if you really want hypertrophy
Squat what you can do naturally. That like 140/150 kg maximum.
@@InnerLifePhotographyavoid dumb things like deadlifting and squatting also benchpress
Benchpress gave me chest pain
This is a great video very informative thank you
Glad it was helpful!
This is my first episode. Wow. What a doozy! Well done!
Dr. Webb, can you do a day in the life of a vascular surgeon? You’ve mentioned vascular surgery a few times in other videos, but I don’t think many people know about the field.
Ronnie is awesome and so are the doctors-thanks 4 this video; as a former bodybuilder and still lifting this encourages me to be safe and teach that to others I help!! 18:09
Man i was about to cry 😢
I love that guy❤
great video 👍🏼
I herniated my l5s1 several years ago. Got severe sciatic pain and loss numbness/loss of nerve function. Got a microdiscectomy and had to recover for 6 months, no lifting/carrying over 30 lbs. It really sucked watching my gains get replaced by a belly. It was 100% worth the wait, pain free for over 5 years now, and can hit all my lifts!
Recovery is important!
Thank you Dr. Webb for the enlightenment I can't even imagine what Ronnie is going threw it breaks my heart and I appreciate the information . I am going to try rest a bit more in between my work outs . I greatly appreciate your videos , Please post more and our heats go out to Ronnie Colman the GOAT , The Greatest of All time hang in their Ronnie 💪💜
Thanks Doc...that's great absolutely fantastic news. ..trying your best to make a brother enjoy his journey further....success Doc .and full strength to R. COly..❤
Great video. 👍
What amazes me is the incredible amount of forces a disc can take before it lets go
Not mine 😂😂😭
THe thought remind me of my dad talking to some young folks he works with, my dad says "talk back to me when your 60" yeah its not worth the risk unless you know for sure you will get that recognition, fame and money 100%, I am 36, and a little back pain scares me, not because of pain, but because I am afraid to not able to walk past 40, f that.
JETHRO WHO LIED TO YOU BRO, I POPPED MY C6-C7 DOING SHRUGS WITH 55 LBS ON EACH SIDE AND I'M AN EXPERIENCED BODYBUILDER, STRICT FORM , MY NECK WAS ALREADY SORE FROM NECK EXERCISES THE DAY BEFORE, AND THEN I WENT TO DO SHRUGS AND POP...TOOK 2 YEARS TO START TO FEEL BETTER, TIL THIS DAY I STILL BODYBUILD BUT CHANGES WERE MADE TO ACCOMODATE MY NECK, I STILL GET STIFF NECK
That wasnt much force at all tho
Wtf bro how is that even possible lmao?
Ronnie was a beast. It's just that he went too hard man. He pushed the human body wayyyyyy beyond it's limits and this is the result.
This is scary and an eye opener for me to listen to my aches and pains. Thanks for the video 👍
You're very welcome
Thank you for your advice, I am going to be more mindful about these types of exercises moving forward
Ronnie knew what would being 8 times Mr Olympia cost him, if he gets the chance , I am sure he will do it all over again. He might have been injured but I am sure he will rest in peace whenever is the time with a lot of memories and achievements under his belt #lightweight ❤
Good to have a qualified, professional review of the person, activities and physical consequences with attending risks.
Great video
After squatting/deadlifting 3,4,5,6 plates for our PRs because it's awesome, YOU WILL more than likely come to a point of reckoning with your body, where it may be a "warning" injury, or it may be more severe.
My warning injury was after front squatting 3 plates one regular night. And for 3 days after i was crying in pain just trying to enter/exit my car or sit and just drive for 5 minutes.
While at home i couldn't stand up for more than 60 seconds before it felt like someone was driving a screwdriver into my lower back. The only relief i got was from laying down.
After 3 days of sleeping and seeing no improvement whatsoever, i drove to immediate care. X ray showed no damage, and was simply prescribed some powerful muscle relaxers, and it was magically cured within a day.
I considered this my warning injury, and i haven't front squatted since, because I'll never forget what that was like.
One of the things I've learned from my limited amount of research on bodybuilding and weight training is, just because your mind and muscles feel like they can lift the weight doesn't mean that your skeleton or ligaments can withstand it. They're typically the first to go from everything I've seen. Especially when PED's are involved.
But to aspire to greatness, you have to constantly push those boundaries and walk the tightrope
That kinda harsh to totally avoid squatting. Building your way up seems fine by me. Ronnie never was a smart lifter to begin with
There are other squat variations in this day and age. And most olympians lifted like he did, no one knew how to “correctly” build muscle back then so show some grace
@@DFOlover1 nothing to do with grace. If you're dr says don't lift anything for x amount of weeks but you do it anyway that's on you. Even if you are the goat. Even to this day he still lifts. Thats remarkable and admirable but the line between perfection and obsession is fine here.
Was just looking for a comment like that, cause my teacher was an orthopedic surgeon as well and he always said structure adapt to follow the function. For me the reason why he got injured was because the bones and conjonctive tissue don't adapt as fast with PED's as muscle tissue. So totally agreeing with you, squatting progressively can only be good for you. Kind of a kinesiophobic speech to begin with
It really is not..squats are so overhyped and it is like a religion. There are other and better alternatives that are just as hard. Try Bulgarian split squats with 100lb dumbbells in each hand and do a 3 second pause at the bottom of each rep for 12 reps each leg and then finish off with heavy sled pushes. Your legs will be insanely strong without the axial loading of traditional back squats.
@@austindukes1089 I agree
was working out 7 days a week, 2.5 hours lifting for 2 years... key word here is was. screwed up my lower back, inflamed the hell out of my area between my spine and shoulder blade, and put what i thought was a nasty strain knot in my neck... turns out the neck was much worse than i expected. now i have an erratic high heart beat, slightly funny vision, constant neck and trap pain running all the way down to my lower back, weird bumps all over my lower back, and my breathing has been off.... thats not even all the symptoms i have/had. to get the point i been this way 5 months and out of the gym, have racked up insane doctor/hospital bills where they still dont know my problem. doctor refuses to refer me to a orthopedic, only to pain management which i myself refused. in my desperation i went to a chiropractor who diagnosed me with a misaligned c1(atlas) causing all these issues but havent gone for treatment because of financial situation and everyone warning me not to let a chiropractor to work on me.
You sure have a lot of favourite surgeries. Great video, I'd love to watch how ALIF and microdiscectomy are performed.
Thank you so much. I was just thinking this outloud. Thank you RUclips algorithm!
You're so welcome!
Love your videos here Dr Webb. As a surgeon, what would you recommend would be the safe weight limit to lift in the gym? Nothing more than one's body weight?
Dont deadlift, dont squat , push and pull, its simple
It hurts even watching. He gave everything…
You are smarter than I am. I love your insights on this matter, and I thank you for taking the time to explain to us what you do to help people with spinal problems.
Thanks doc webb I'm from the Philippines you are ah, great doctor....
I've seen videos of Ronnie Coleman training at Metroflex gym for the 2000 Mr. Olympia . Absolutely insane. 2,200 pound leg press, 800 pound deadlift for two reps, and 800 pound squat for two reps in the same workout.
The deadlift was done 2 years earlier in a different video
Thank God there are those professional doctors who explain always the truth and debunk all those today's gym maniacs who think that pressing ourselves above limit, that is smart and guts! Always listen first to your body!
All pain, no spine. A doctor, probably.
Ronnie is my Legend but there is more than enough room for You Dr. Webb! Thank You to help to our Champion to be healthier! Yeah Buddy!
I am a ronnie coleman fan from Bagdad iraq .. it really hurts me to see him in this shape, pray to god you get well,I love you Ronnie
One year lifter here, I don't think squatting by itself is dangerous but if you have health problems or created one especially in your spine of course you going to avoid putting a lot of weight in that area if you want to stay strong and healthy in the long-term and the most important thing of all is doing the exercise correctly and not ego lifting, following your diet, recovery and sleeping through and through, all these things are very important.
In the long term, squatting will wreck you. I've been a bodybuilder for over 20 years so let me tell you something that no one told me or guys from my generation when we started. No matter how smart you train or how well you take care of yourself during recovery, consistent weight training (whether bodybuilding or powerlifting) over time will cause internal damage. Your joints are going to take a beating. Squatting isn't just about knees and hips....all that weight is going straight through your spine. I have torn labrums and partially torn rotator cuffs (both shoulders)...bone spurs on each elbow, sore knees, and compressed discs in my lower spine that have cost me an inch of height over the years. Everything looks good on the outside, but the inside is wore out....that's the irony of bodybuilding....build you up and tears you down simultaneously over time. You can build a nice physique sticking to Hammer Strength machines and cables.....where everything is a fixed plane of motion and easier on the joints. Benching, Squatting, and Deadlifting outside of being a powerlifter, are simply ego lifts.
50 year lifter.
Half the lifters I know that got lifting injuries, got them from squats. Some from improper technique. Some had bodies that couldn't take it. About half knees/back, one hips.
There's very little benefit from more than 90 degree knee angle bottom and half maximum weight squats.
I damaged my knees from 400 pound deep squats.
It took many years at 40 to get them tighter, but I wish I never did squats. It's the only long term damage I have from weight lifting.
@@jamierose4088 its load management. plenty of people squat into their 70's and 80's.
@@stevewilliams1176please let them know old timer! They won't listen through. The human ego is a the meal ticket for a guy like Dr Webb.
As much as his methods are condoning, Ronnie is such an inspiration for how much willforce a human can have. Even in his prime, the amount of will a man needs to push all these weights every damn day and even after damaging(badly and forever) his body he is still going, even through unbearable amounts of pain...damn.
nah that is concerning. i think that is the wrong move to continue lifting now and dont think u should be inspired.
Had a microdiscectomy at 35. Twice world powerlifting champ in my late teens early 20’s. Paid for that heavy lifting, but proud of my accomplishments. I gave up powerlifting after that surgery. I don’t want another.
How are you doing now? Are you still excerising and lifting weights?
One of the best videos I've seen on the this subject. It's our responsibility to take care of our bodies. It's painful to watch Ronnie Coleman attempt to navigate and ambulate normally with the kind of pain that he has. Then he goes to the Gym and starts the process all over again. We pay the price when we don't listen to our bodies. This is a perfect example.
I think the consistent heavy training combined with massive inflammation from the bodybuilding cocktails only left so much space for his spine to live in. The stuff they put in the supplements also contribute. Back in the day, they used to cycle on then off, focusing on cleansing their liver. I’m sure all that stuff impacted his absorption of nutrients and minerals too.
STEROIDS
I’ve never been a weight lifter. I’ve had 2 should surgeries. Just had a full knee replacement at 51. I was in severe knee pain for roughly 7 years before I went and got it done. Now I’m having L1-L5, and S1 pain. One time in point it was so severe I went to the ER. After my knee surgery in May 2022 I started to do calisthenics and minor weight lifting at 51. So when I get sore I don’t do anything for at least 5 days. I haven’t lifted anything now for 2 weeks and going to start back Monday slowly. I can’t even imagine the pain he must experience. I’ve also been there where I was taking 30mg oxycodone pills and no relief so I just stopped taking them and got used to the pain if that’s even a thing. Take care of your bodies folks it’s all fun and games while you’re younger but, it’s not joke when you get older. Great video Dr keep em coming.
Keeping the bodyweight down is also important for hip and knee safety/longevity.
Fat people do squats and walking lunges every day. Their bodyweight is the barbell.
Also better for the heart to be on the lighter side on the scale.
Huge amounts of muscles are also taxing the heart more than having a lighter bodyweight.
@@Ve-suvius yeah I’ve kept it off I’m now 205 @ 5’10”. And yes you’re 100% correct about keeping the weight off it’s a lifestyle change for sure. Have a great weekend.
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Stay safe.
Great weekend 🙌😁👍💪👌.
How are you doing now ?
@@dingdong6005 I’m hanging in there. I’ve put on some weight but, working on it. Put 20lbs back on. Starting to get back into my weights again but slowly cause I’m afraid that I tore my rotator cuff. On the left side now.
God Bless you Ronny. Take Care .❤