@@ruiribeiro8010 all you need is spacing and teleport cancel. one of my friends is like top 3 palutena players here in Norway, he's saying that palutena is ez and gives him free wins
Me spamming PK Fire and Freeze and NAir with Lucas: I can FEEL the brain damage I have caused. I do not play to win. But I normally come close or do win because they fold TO THE SPAMMMMMM!!!!!!!
I agree that Ice Climbers are the hardest to master for your aforementioned reasons, and Pac-Man is a close second because of Bonus Fruit and the Hydrant combos. I'm a Peach/Daisy main myself and learning to ID the turnips and their uses the moment you pluck them as well as properly incorporating float into your combos has a high learning curve too.
Tbh I'd say Ken is harder to play than pac man, like sure there's fruit setups and knowledge but the absolute precision and button presses required to hit a long string with the shotos is wayyyy more technical
I don’t think this video was ordered but ice climbers do seem like the toughest to play optimally. I think pac man is at the bottom of the list showed in this video. Like the two people above me mentioned, peach and ryu require precision and mastery of complex inputs so they are definitely harder to use. Rosalina is also input and tech heavy because a lot of the crazy luma stuff requires frame perfect timing in order to cancel attacks and perform desyncs so they are kinda like the ice climbers.
@@MountainManAbe tbh id agree with the icies, while their combos can become muscle memory eventually, it's learning how to set them up in neutral that is damn near impossible
Jess Rosalina is a cool female character yeah me too. I played Zelda at first because I Mained her in smash 4 but she still sucked in this game so I picked Rosa who also sucked at the launch of this game but kept playing her because of how fun she is. There is no character like them and learning how to use them effectively is no easy task. Also knowing tech and desyncs for this character are very important because without it they are not that great.
I picked up Rosa because I needed a character to beat my friend and ZSS was kinda tricky to play because of my playstyle. One week later, I wrecked my friend.
Danish is overrated, look at the icies discord if you want to see truly mind blowing shit and combos that you better hope never show up in a tournament bc if they were consistent then there'd be no escape
@@hughmungus99 Danish had an entertaining video or two, but if you're an aspiring IC's you should be watching Big D (I don't even play them but I know he's the best)
iceys arent hard what do they do spam side b hah that's not hard. Oh they can do "hard" dysincs well im a joker main almost in elite smash and i do up throw to drag down uair into grab and that basically takes the same skill but ices to like 50% more damage iceys are brain dead busted characters. (this is all sarcasm and is not my actual opinion on iceys skill I'm sorry if you took this as my serious opinion)
Agreed! Duck Hunt is indeed very technical. And it's literally impossible playing against a Zelda or pretty much any character with a reflector, I learned the hard way.
SegaDisneyUniverse I’m a duck hunt main and trying to outspam the toxic cancer that are zelda players isn’t the way to go. I finally learn to put the hoe back in her hyrule by punishing her up b. Because all Zeldas do it. They don’t have brains.
@@vex_3455 I came across a Zelda who was spamming up B and neutral B and it was hard to punish them because it was so laggy. One of my most frustrating matches yet!😤
She's def harder than most, but she's only REAL hard to play when you're like a really good player bc of her natural combo game and easy to learn kill confirms
As a Mega Man main, it's pretty hard to effectively use him due to his unorthodox moveset. However, he is still a lot of fun to play (just don't be a camper and he's enjoyable, trust me)
Hear me out....Bayonetta Basically, you have to work 3X harder to get a confirmed KILL while you work around her extreme laggy moves and shitty neutral....basically, a lot of limitations with this character
I like that this is a smash channel that actually knows their stuff and isn't just blurting out theories from casual play free-for-all's. Keep up the good work, I just subscribed!
@@sixarmedpsycho_9 ?? yea, in battle arenas. There are tons of wifi tournaments that are run through discord on Smash.gg where you play your opponents in private battle arenas. You can easily just use Random in those tournaments. Im not talking about the built in tourney feature for online, that mode kinda sucks.
Im learning ken and i have to say that the hardest thing to master are not the imputs for combos but the openings for them as ken and ryu play very grounded
@Julio Paulino did I say all of them are pedos? No im talking about the majority of smash pros are pedophiles. Don't have that issue with other communities
Cool, I’m new to smash (and fighting games in general), and I just realized that my favorite character, Pac-Man, is one of the most difficult characters to play.
dude if you wanna watch pacman at his peak you seriously have got to check out Tea. I might be wrong but, I'm pretty sure he was in the top 4 at Frostbite
ChiodosBlowsDogs I’ve definitely heard of him and seen a lot of his games! It’s amazing to see how fun the character is if you really know what you’re doing.
Kazuja has also proven to be very tough to learn. No hitstun and like 12 different moves that don’t exist for other characters with complicated (by smash standards). He does have easily abuseable moves like his reflect kick, the thunder god whatever fist, and just lasering floaty characters while they’re offstage until they’re finally put out of their misery at 200%.
Wh- ... why isn't Bayonetta on this list??? Not only does every movement and attack require tech to be effective, but the payoff is super low as well. If you play her as a pick up and play option you're *going to* get owned because you also have to know how to work around her landing lag. You have to know combos because you can't kill with raw hits. She could have replaced several characters on this list smh. Every character on this list has high payoff for just having intermediate skill with whereas she doesn't even
@@JohtoJonnyYT So agree with you Bayonetta is one of my favorite character in Smash (and videos games in general) and the only way I found to kill an ennemy is too lock it with Witch Time
2:09 " so if you want to know how to use the galtic goddess her self you must learn how to use luma to back up your hits to protect you" *continues to whoop wii fit trainer without luma*
The thing that everyone misses about Ken and ryu is all of their tilts and jabs and even special moves have 3 different forms, light medium and heavy depending on how long you press the a button, and each one has a different purpose, some are better at dishing out shield pressure, others are good anti airs and some are jab lock combos. Also you can cancel all of their moves into their specials so you have to learn all the timings and tying in the input commands to get the stronger version of the moves. And the combo routes can get really complex. Granted most of the time you don't need all of that stuff but it's all in there for someone to master and truly unlock their potential.
As an Ike main, I completely agree. The learning curve is so impressively difficult that I had to sell my soul and my sixteen children to get good with him.
Meta Knight is absolutely one of the toughest characters to play in Ultimate. To really open up his punish game you need to learn ladder combos, which are very hard to execute and take a lot of practice. Aside from that, his small range requires you to think about your approaches and play patiently. His hit boxes are extremely fast, and his moves have little lag. But, his moves do very little damage by themselves, so stringing them together is essential against harder hitters. Edge guarding is a huge part of MK's game. Despite his many jumps and incredible recovery, his hit boxes aren't huge and lingering, so he still requires thoughtful placement and timing of moves to catch recoveries. Overall, MK is hard to auto-pilot because his game plan consists of quick but small and momentary hit boxes, difficult combo strings, and precise edge guarding which take practice and devotion to master.
I totally agree, I main him and he obviously isn't in his prime(Brawl) . He lacks damage, kill confirms, and never gets touched in the patches :( . Actually in the first patch his dash attack got nerfed lol...
MK main unite! Honestly the ladder combos in this game aren't as good as they were in smash 4 don't get me wrong it's still letal but considering the difficulty to set it up it's less useful than in previous instalment.... I trained a lot to master it but in ranked battle I end up using it only occasionally while I found it more efficient to use MK as a rushdown using his incredible speed and lagless moves and then edge guard...he does have one of the best edgeguard potential (aside from projectile spacers) and he is invincible when you drag the fight under the platform. His teleport is pretty cool too while a bit risky cause he is open in the first few frame before he tp. But the great change they did to mk from smash4 is his side B, sure it's pretty easy to predict it but it go for sooooo long and it's pretty neat to caught recovering opponent, and the last hit kills pretty well! Or at least put the adversary in a recovery position wich fit MK much better.
The ladder combos only work on certain characters. He does struggle to get in, probabaly his biggest weakness, but a huge portion of the cast can’t get in either. His edge guarding is some of the easiest in the game and his up air ladder isn’t difficult.
I'd say the hardest characters to play properly in ultimate are: Bayonetta Terry/Ryu/Ken (all for similar reasons tho Terry is easier) Snake Meta Knight Sheik Diddy Kong Marth Pac Man Mega Man Ice Climbers
I can get behind almost all of these, but not Marth. The only thing difficult about him is that it's harder to land tipper in this game. Imo, Lucina may be the easiest character in the entire game to pick up and play, so Marth really isn't that different aside from struggling to kill more if you don't space correctly
@@beardlessdragon Most than being difficult to use, is more the always having to worry on tippers or not tippers because both have different combos depending on that. Not the most difficult but not easy at all
@@blueheart9873 Bayo is really annoying bro sorry. I mean it's basically really easy doing combos with her while Ryu and Shulk requieres skill. I love Ryu's style in Smash because it's unique and Shulk mastered? Damn he scary!
@@siervodedios3139 It's ok bro. Not everyone can understand her big brain techskill. Bayonetta is definitely not a character you can do whatever with. You have to think about a lot of things while playing. Whenever you use a special you get accumulated landing lag. You can also do soft or hard inputs on her attacks (bullet arts) which you have to know when to use them. Her combos are also really complex since people can SDI out of them. So you have to consider your options. And if you overextend you eat a fat smash attack that kills you at 50%
I think you might be exaggerating how hard it is to master Pac-Man. In my experience he's not too rough because the only challenge is really just remembering how his projectiles interact with each other and it isn't as bad as it sounds.
Pac man isnt bigbrain, there are just tryhards who repeat the setups they learned without the basic knowledge Pd: but tea and sinji are super big brain xd
Icy ehhh yeah they have combos, but the character itself isn’t that good. Look at PGR tournaments, tell me which character gets more plays AND gets better results?
Being a Yoshi main, I’d day he is and isn’t hard to play, it’s complicated. If you can get good combos in with his air attacks then your good but his smash attacks are a bit slower than normal and are easy to predict and avoid at times.
Not a good look on ProGuides for not mentioning Bayonetta on this list. She is ABSOLUTELY at LEAST top 3 hardest characters to master AND has the LOWEST payoff out of every character in the game for her mastery
Unfortunately she isn’t that relevant in the meta and she is hard to play because she can’t kill. But I do have to admit that it takes skill to win with her just like it takes skill to use ganondorf and win with him at a high level.
It took me some time to realize that I’ve climbers deserve to be on this list because I’ve built up so much muscle memory from playing them since launch that they don’t even feel that difficult anymore.
When you said “Let’s calm down with a character, Everyone will see coming”, I thought you were doing a Persona 5 Last Surprise reference but I guess not and I didn’t see it comiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnn’ when you said Shulk.
I disagree her combos aren't hard to pull off and the combo starters for these combos aren't hard to hit too the only real problem with bayonetta is landing a kill which can be pretty difficult with only a few kill confirms like uptilf into backair or any witch times into smash attacks but past that the combos she uses aren't that complicated they just look it due to the effects given off by them
@Pika Pika Gaming Better than Palutena in terms of looks and personality smh Add me on Discord if you would like to discuss this privately. (Details in my channel description)
Characters that were left out that I think are hard are: - all the characters that benefit from wave bouncing projectiles(lucas, robin, link, tink, yink, samus/dsamus, etc) - all the characters with combo strings that involve loops(pikachu, pichu, sheik, joker, etc but i can’t remember if I missed any) - sonic - luigi(can’t get to top level if you don’t have the BEST punish game)
Extremely hot take: The hardest character to "master" is Kirby because you need to also master every neutral special in the game, including Monado Arts and Bonus Fruit
As a Ryu main, I can confirm the accidental specials when you want to aerial attacks, as well as the frustrating learning curve, but man is it satisfying.
SwanSSB I disagree. I do agree he’s hard to play, but unlike the other characters you mentioned, he can fall back on trading and throwing out hitboxes. He also has one button kill moves in up tilt and potential kill setups from down throw. Oh and who can forget Nikita, the most brain dead ledge guarding tool in the game?
When fighting online snakes, I can see all the work they put in for spacing and traps, but because they don’t have top level reactions or grenade placement, I find myself winning by a large margin. And I’m just a DK main, all I have to do is n-air and b-air, with a few dash attacks, grabs and an easy ding dong combo.
As a growing Ken main, I do agree they are a bit hard but you can just look up how to do the inputs if you struggle with them and they are easy if you practice them. I main Ken cause I like fighting games. But yes they are quite hard. If you want a good fighting game character to main or secondary look no further than Terry Bogard. Kazuya has really good potential but at least for me, he's quite difficult but once you get the hang of him, you can massacre your opponents.
Dial storage is hard but not even necessary to play shulk lmao. No top level shulk uses dial storage as a gameplan, he's already hard enough without it
Ty Martin are you blind? Best shulks nicko and Kome CONSTANTLY use dial storage. Im a shulk main and i watch pretty much all of the vods they are in. Its subtle so maybe you dont notice but i do. They dont break out of combos frame 1 with an 11-12 frame switch to shield art.
6:43. I have most Mortal Kombat movesets memorized and I haven't even played Melee. I personally love smash, but the fact that you're saying move inputs take too long for Ryu and Ken just makes me want to show you MK's movesets and a professional MK tournament
Any fighter that consists of more than one character whether it’s at the same time (Rosalina-Luma and Ice Climbers) or separate (smash brawl Zelda/Sheik, Pokémon Trainer, and Pyra/Mythra) are very difficult to master.
Uhhh, the inputs for ken and Ryu are quite simple actually, the difficulty comes in their combo execution. Especially since players are used to 2d fighters that have set knocback, smash is a little different.
He also should have mentioned weak, strong, and proximity normals which give them more attacks than any other character in the game, and that all of their specials have a light, medium, and heavy version depending on how long you hold the button (which kind of includes focus in a way).
Easily, at least for me anyway, the most difficult of these characters are the desyncers. Maybe it's because Shulk was much harder in Sm4sh, Slamondorf is all fundamentals, I don't play Peach or Pac, and I also enjoy SF so the shotos' command inputs are easy for me, but the desyncers, I have never been able to make work. Too much shit to keep track of all at once. Different frama data from Rosa, the AI on both Luma and Popo being absolute trash, how the exact same hit Popo does with Nana has different hit boxes that make moves act very finicky. It's a no from me dog.
It’s funny cuz shulks at a lower level are so easy maybe even the easiest because its so strong and has huge range but at high level it’s kind of difficult. Shulks are either a perfect ten or a 1 no in between
Patrick Thornberry ur definitely right about that. The long you trying playing the character in a game, the harder is to win because of self damage. He’s also a fast faller that can be combo food yet can die earlier than any character.
Bayo dittos are both fun to watch and fun to play. Might not be as iconic as, say, the Falcon ditto, but it's definitely worth trying out for anyone who plays her.
Characters that are hard to pick up and master are ones that you cannot bring those fundamentals to another characters. For instance, if you know how to play Marth, you can bring those fundamentals to Ike, Lucina, Corrin, and others with some adjustment. But you can’t bring PAC Man’s trap setup fundamentals to Duck Hunt. All the characters you mentioned definitely differs from the rest. Rosa mains are rare and hard to play in general. And getting off the ledge as Rosa is a nightmare
Yeah I never see rosa in elite smash. I feel like the only one in my area sometimes lol. Plus whenever I lose it’s because I was experimenting with some tech that failed to execute or because my luma attacks weren’t precise due to lag
All these characters at high levels of play are like watching god on a battlefield, but pacman is more specifically a bored god that toys with his opponents first.
Y’all really don’t know Lucas then, he’s got some of the craziest tech and combos in the game, from wavebounch fire/magnet, auto cancel nairs to his double jump cancel snake
I definitely agree that Ice Climbers would be very, VERY difficult to master. I mean, I wouldn't even know where to start with the desyncs, and I try not to play the game super risky, so I would feel immense dread from losing a climber because I messed up during a desync or something. I also agree with Shulk being on the list. As someone who plays Shulk, I know full well how awkward it can be when your entire moveset basically changes because you activated a Monado (mainly Speed, Jump, and Shield, as Buster and Smash don't affect your movement).
I would’ve put Olimar and Alph on this list. As an avid Alph player, he’s not as “e-z bake” as people make him out to be. You need to keep track of every Pikmin in your lineup to make sure they don’t die, you need to keep track of which colors you have for specific situations (such as keeping a blue Pikmin on deck for a throw KO), and most importantly, you need to make sure you have at least one Pikmin to do _anything._ Olimar and Alph are two of Smash’s most complex characters, and it’s such a shame most people only see them as “campy”, “boring” or “lame” characters, when in reality, they’re super hype if the player knows what they’re doing. As a diehard Pikmin fan, Olimar and Alph deserve more love. Especially Alph. He’s my favorite.
I’ll never understand the Olimar/Alph hate Also tracking the pikmin you are currently using is hard to track since it’s really hard to see during match idek how you olimar players even do that lol I rarely fight them, I guess it’s just me...
People just don’t like how Olimar and Alph are one of the few characters that take actual, legitimate skill to learn the ins-and-outs of. The different abilities of the Pikmin, the importance of using a specific color in a specific situation, and making sure the Pikmin are safe from harm are just a few examples of what you need to do in order to achieve success. But no, the majority of players only see them as lame, campy characters incapable of hype, when it’s actually the contrary.
6:00 Terry has some of the same inputs as the shotos lol (Burn knuckle = hadouken, power dunk = shoryuken, crack shoot = tatsu). They have the same window to input and stuff, they're just different moves
@@ChiodosBlowsDogs yeah the windows are the same, but Ken and Ryus confirms generally are quicker than Terry's so they have less time to do the input, Terry's jab was specifically designed to give more room for an input
Gregory Goldston I can agree to that. Pellets look simple on the surface. But I’ve been maining him for 8 months now and not just recently have I gotten really comfortable using them.
Yeah he is the most unique character ever implemented in smash, every single one of his moves is not like any other characters. (Except for fair and f smash) and he has lots of different setups with metal blade and crash bomber. You also need to learn when to rush down and return so you dont get obliterated because of his (its?)bad burst options. Megaman is extremely hard to learn and get used to. But amazing once mastered
Some character's difficulties are what keep me playing them. I'm first drawn to them by their character, and then mastering them becomes a challenge. That's why I play Ryu, meta knight, and Ganondorf (yeah haha, I know what you're thinking. Ganondorf is easy, doriyah, but Ganondorf is bottom tier trash and is in some ways worse than Mac. I also picked up Ganondorf in Brawl)
bruh this is the HARDEST to play there are characters that are still hard to master but aren't the hardest. There's a huge difference between not the hardest and not hard.
@@manongraymond5481 Hey man, My apologies your right. I was saying that kinda sarcastic, honestly i think megaman players are carried, and he is not tough to learn imo. But he is my main.
@@Jediwhoever1 Yo I can literally all of Pits Combos.... I personally likes the down air combos the most but his combos are so much easier than for exemple Peach, Bayo, Ice Cliebers combos... So Pits combos are Esay tho
Sure, Pika and Peach are top tier characters, but they are also extremely hard to master. Especially Pika, the elite smash Pikas are a shame to hardcore Pika mains.
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tf is bowser doing in the thumbnail
Incredibly easy kills combos and easy flame breath and upb out of shield
Kill combos? No, he didn’t even have those he’s so braindead
@@petercipra5616 no dood the kill combo is side b that is frame 6 and kills at like 100 its really hard combo to pull off and takes tons of skill
@@petercipra5616 Nair combos into Bair and flame breath combos into ftilt
Bowser feels like a caveman character to me, dont blame me for playing him though as I main rosa too
As a bowser main, this video looks like calculus
It looks like calculus to me too, except for rosa as shes the only one I can actually play
As a math PhD, I don't agree.
Izzy Curbelo what an obnoxious flex
Same I main yoshi
Izzy Curbelo haha, nerd
Tournament pac is 4d chess while online pac man is tic tac toe
And he's getting that 3-0
Soyboy olimar is an obstacle course and snake is American ninja warrior
Pic pac poe
Playing Ryu is like brawling Connor McGregor when drunk.
Haha hydrant go bssss
palutena is hard, no doubt. pressing nair takes so much skills to do.
what did they revert 7.0?
human it really is, you have to get the drag in to start loops
Salt
Maybe some palutenas spam it and get away with it, but ain't working on the competitive scenario, playing her takes far more skill than it looks like.
@@ruiribeiro8010 all you need is spacing and teleport cancel. one of my friends is like top 3 palutena players here in Norway, he's saying that palutena is ez and gives him free wins
Proguides: you have to learn bonus fruit to be good at Pacman
Nairo: PACGOD YAPYAPYAP
Alpharad: PACGOD!!!!
@@naroxa_yes.4762 No
delete
This aged well :/
Free Nairo he did nothin wrong
I agree with the thumbnail, Bowser is very hard to play indeed
Random Teenager
I liked your comment because I’m assuming your joking.
Indeed pressing side b can be difficult sometimes
@@biandanxious3438 I'm sure he means at higher level lol
@@Senketsujin at higher level most characters are hard
I agree it takes a high level of play to empty hop 15 times the side b
Me spamming PK fire as Ness: yes, I am a pro smash player
Me spamming PK Fire and Freeze and NAir with Lucas: I can FEEL the brain damage I have caused. I do not play to win. But I normally come close or do win because they fold
TO THE SPAMMMMMM!!!!!!!
Say that again when you play against Ness or Lucas
@@shoenoodles3509 gladly. Want me to?
me using psi magnet to ruin an enemy ness/lucas's recovery: galaxy brain ultra iq moment.
Fuck you
ProGuides saved my marriage
How?
Cause they taught him how to smash with his wife
Bah-dum-tish!
@@omnigalaxii1187 ba dum tss bro
@@ArMinb4mV 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
rosalina: super heavy in mario kart, super light in smash
🤷♂️
She got on a diet bro
I agree that Ice Climbers are the hardest to master for your aforementioned reasons, and Pac-Man is a close second because of Bonus Fruit and the Hydrant combos. I'm a Peach/Daisy main myself and learning to ID the turnips and their uses the moment you pluck them as well as properly incorporating float into your combos has a high learning curve too.
I think Pikachu is harder than pac man
Tbh I'd say Ken is harder to play than pac man, like sure there's fruit setups and knowledge but the absolute precision and button presses required to hit a long string with the shotos is wayyyy more technical
Lol I think peach is harder, seems like being unknowledgeable about characters also makes them seem a lot harder
I don’t think this video was ordered but ice climbers do seem like the toughest to play optimally. I think pac man is at the bottom of the list showed in this video. Like the two people above me mentioned, peach and ryu require precision and mastery of complex inputs so they are definitely harder to use. Rosalina is also input and tech heavy because a lot of the crazy luma stuff requires frame perfect timing in order to cancel attacks and perform desyncs so they are kinda like the ice climbers.
@@MountainManAbe tbh id agree with the icies, while their combos can become muscle memory eventually, it's learning how to set them up in neutral that is damn near impossible
5:50
That Ness actually died at 25% to a Dair
Fair and balanced
Di mixup. He reverse shoryukened and the ness attempting to di away di'd in, *killing himself even earlier because he di'd wrong*
That's why Ken is top tier
@@verp177 nice joke
@@manongraymond5481 ken is top tier
Maining Rosa is my best decision, never regret even if I lost 90% of the game in the very beginning
She’s fun
Me too. Glad I started playing her early. If I started later, then she too would be a part if every character I cant play in this list
Jess Rosalina is a cool female character yeah me too. I played Zelda at first because I Mained her in smash 4 but she still sucked in this game so I picked Rosa who also sucked at the launch of this game but kept playing her because of how fun she is. There is no character like them and learning how to use them effectively is no easy task. Also knowing tech and desyncs for this character are very important because without it they are not that great.
I picked up Rosa because I needed a character to beat my friend and ZSS was kinda tricky to play because of my playstyle. One week later, I wrecked my friend.
I'm kinda mad dabuz dropped Rosa for min min
IC are the hardest, but they’re damn satisfying. Look at Mr.DanishButterCookie
Danish is overrated, look at the icies discord if you want to see truly mind blowing shit and combos that you better hope never show up in a tournament bc if they were consistent then there'd be no escape
@@hughmungus99 Danish had an entertaining video or two, but if you're an aspiring IC's you should be watching Big D (I don't even play them but I know he's the best)
iceys arent hard what do they do spam side b hah that's not hard. Oh they can do "hard" dysincs well im a joker main almost in elite smash and i do up throw to drag down uair into grab and that basically takes the same skill but ices to like 50% more damage iceys are brain dead busted characters.
(this is all sarcasm and is not my actual opinion on iceys skill I'm sorry if you took this as my serious opinion)
epik gamer lol
epik gamer LMAOOOOOO "almost in elite smash"
"float is a peach trait that doesn't apply to any other character"
Daisy: Am I a joke to y-... OK, nevermind...
@Antoine Gédéon and thier idle hurtbox is slightly different
The dog and the duck.
And that shooter with the zapper.
Agreed! Duck Hunt is indeed very technical. And it's literally impossible playing against a Zelda or pretty much any character with a reflector, I learned the hard way.
SegaDisneyUniverse I’m a duck hunt main and trying to outspam the toxic cancer that are zelda players isn’t the way to go. I finally learn to put the hoe back in her hyrule by punishing her up b. Because all Zeldas do it. They don’t have brains.
Did I just witness a duck hunt main call zelda mains cancer. The irony is gonna be the death of me
@@vex_3455 I came across a Zelda who was spamming up B and neutral B and it was hard to punish them because it was so laggy. One of my most frustrating matches yet!😤
"Who is the hardest character to play?" Shows MKleo doing the joker equivalent of wobbling
You’re implying that it's easy to execute?
@@officialjokker124 i mean it's the easy infinite to do
Y'all ever heard of Sheik?
She's def harder than most, but she's only REAL hard to play when you're like a really good player bc of her natural combo game and easy to learn kill confirms
Im pretty sure sheik is another fe charater
Momento Mori : Yes, I think she has a new mechanic called Arsene.
@@stevenliang3213 im also pretty sure that this sheik character is the first one to have a gun in smash
Momento Mori don’t you mean void??
As a Mega Man main, it's pretty hard to effectively use him due to his unorthodox moveset. However, he is still a lot of fun to play (just don't be a camper and he's enjoyable, trust me)
Hear me out....Bayonetta
Basically, you have to work 3X harder to get a confirmed KILL while you work around her extreme laggy moves and shitty neutral....basically, a lot of limitations with this character
People will hate her no matter how wrong they are but tbh we all have to agree that bayo is tolerable in ultimate
I agree.
Umm I just think that’s because she’s a bad character not a difficult one. Like little Mac is a horrible character but he is still one of the easiest.
Bayo’s definitely not great, but she is actually difficult
As a bayonetta main it hurts me a lot but I can’t disagree - she is definitely a low tier character and she’s pretty difficult to play
I like that this is a smash channel that actually knows their stuff and isn't just blurting out theories from casual play free-for-all's. Keep up the good work, I just subscribed!
It made by smash players for smash players not made by random people for smash players
Completely agree
ahem The Gamer
They do not know what they are talking about
WilfyKeen I completely agree
They don’t know what they’re talking about, they’re helpful yes but half e time they just want money
I don’t think I’ve ever beat an elite smash ice climber yet tbh
When you're so early, that there are no comments to read.
Schlechtes Gefühl
Says second place
Oh, congratulations on getting first
Sad boi hours
To master Ken Master find a master of Ken Master.
Ice climbers aren’t even hard to play just spam side b. I won evo using this strat
I know right lol
don’t believe so
@@bisquit8171 don't believe what?
Just wooble them
@@Mepphy99 you r right
Me as a peach main waiting for them to name her: 👁👄👁
You know who's the hardest character to master?
Random
Sadly you can't play random in ranked games...
well, not online. But you can use random in tournaments.
@@eragon78 *[Clears throat]* , Battle Arenas?
@@sixarmedpsycho_9 ?? yea, in battle arenas.
There are tons of wifi tournaments that are run through discord on Smash.gg where you play your opponents in private battle arenas. You can easily just use Random in those tournaments. Im not talking about the built in tourney feature for online, that mode kinda sucks.
*laughs maniacally in Ice Climbers*
That double kill Pandarian got at 8:44 was siiiick.
Im learning ken and i have to say that the hardest thing to master are not the imputs for combos but the openings for them as ken and ryu play very grounded
Hardest thing is to backair. Facts
Landing nair is still a nice combo starter though.
just play terry. hes both easier and better
@@wintersummer1633 not really, i do not think he is better once ken or ryu are mastered
@@plazmatic2664 Just rar lol (seriously though, learning how to rar goes a very long way in their combo game and kill power)
Every time I’ve seen someone play Duck Hunt for the first time, they’re really put off by how hard they are. Landing that can means everything.
Me, spamming Young link’s arrows:
*I’m somewhat of a pro smash player myself*
When you only go to the comments to see people disagreeing
The community is toxic
@Julio Paulino at least other communities top pros aren't pedophiles
@Julio Paulino did I say all of them are pedos? No im talking about the majority of smash pros are pedophiles. Don't have that issue with other communities
@Julio Paulino to differentiate between smash communities and others
Cool, I’m new to smash (and fighting games in general), and I just realized that my favorite character, Pac-Man, is one of the most difficult characters to play.
Dont worry that's for top level, pacman is pretty brain dead any level below that. No hate towards pac man mains( ok mabye a little)
dude if you wanna watch pacman at his peak you seriously have got to check out Tea. I might be wrong but, I'm pretty sure he was in the top 4 at Frostbite
ChiodosBlowsDogs I’ve definitely heard of him and seen a lot of his games! It’s amazing to see how fun the character is if you really know what you’re doing.
Kazuja has also proven to be very tough to learn. No hitstun and like 12 different moves that don’t exist for other characters with complicated (by smash standards). He does have easily abuseable moves like his reflect kick, the thunder god whatever fist, and just lasering floaty characters while they’re offstage until they’re finally put out of their misery at 200%.
Wh- ... why isn't Bayonetta on this list??? Not only does every movement and attack require tech to be effective, but the payoff is super low as well. If you play her as a pick up and play option you're *going to* get owned because you also have to know how to work around her landing lag. You have to know combos because you can't kill with raw hits. She could have replaced several characters on this list smh. Every character on this list has high payoff for just having intermediate skill with whereas she doesn't even
What is a raw hit ?
@@yacine8552 a move used not in a combo, usually going for a kill. Such as a smash attack
@@JohtoJonnyYT So agree with you Bayonetta is one of my favorite character in Smash (and videos games in general) and the only way I found to kill an ennemy is too lock it with Witch Time
2:09 " so if you want to know how to use the galtic goddess her self you must learn how to use luma to back up your hits to protect you" *continues to whoop wii fit trainer without luma*
Really surprised that Duck hunt didn’t make it in.
Can't tell if this is satirical or not
@@air_z7241 if you ever play against a good duck hunt you'd know he takes a lot of skill
The thing that everyone misses about Ken and ryu is all of their tilts and jabs and even special moves have 3 different forms, light medium and heavy depending on how long you press the a button, and each one has a different purpose, some are better at dishing out shield pressure, others are good anti airs and some are jab lock combos. Also you can cancel all of their moves into their specials so you have to learn all the timings and tying in the input commands to get the stronger version of the moves. And the combo routes can get really complex. Granted most of the time you don't need all of that stuff but it's all in there for someone to master and truly unlock their potential.
Whatever man, do even realize the utter complexity and 4d chess games that go into spamming neutral air as an Ike main?
As a shulk main and my friend an ike main, we play 5D chess on the battlefield.
As an Ike main, I completely agree. The learning curve is so impressively difficult that I had to sell my soul and my sixteen children to get good with him.
Same goes for Fox nair. No one expects the 7th nair leading into upsmash if you've been punished for it every time 😅
Bro if you think Ryu & Ken are hard, imagine trying to learn Kazuya and all of his command inputs? He has like a thousand of them
Meta Knight is absolutely one of the toughest characters to play in Ultimate. To really open up his punish game you need to learn ladder combos, which are very hard to execute and take a lot of practice. Aside from that, his small range requires you to think about your approaches and play patiently. His hit boxes are extremely fast, and his moves have little lag. But, his moves do very little damage by themselves, so stringing them together is essential against harder hitters. Edge guarding is a huge part of MK's game. Despite his many jumps and incredible recovery, his hit boxes aren't huge and lingering, so he still requires thoughtful placement and timing of moves to catch recoveries. Overall, MK is hard to auto-pilot because his game plan consists of quick but small and momentary hit boxes, difficult combo strings, and precise edge guarding which take practice and devotion to master.
I totally agree, I main him and he obviously isn't in his prime(Brawl) . He lacks damage, kill confirms, and never gets touched in the patches :( . Actually in the first patch his dash attack got nerfed lol...
MK main unite!
Honestly the ladder combos in this game aren't as good as they were in smash 4 don't get me wrong it's still letal but considering the difficulty to set it up it's less useful than in previous instalment.... I trained a lot to master it but in ranked battle I end up using it only occasionally while I found it more efficient to use MK as a rushdown using his incredible speed and lagless moves and then edge guard...he does have one of the best edgeguard potential (aside from projectile spacers) and he is invincible when you drag the fight under the platform. His teleport is pretty cool too while a bit risky cause he is open in the first few frame before he tp. But the great change they did to mk from smash4 is his side B, sure it's pretty easy to predict it but it go for sooooo long and it's pretty neat to caught recovering opponent, and the last hit kills pretty well! Or at least put the adversary in a recovery position wich fit MK much better.
The narrator of the video is the best MK player, his tag is BONK
The ladder combos only work on certain characters. He does struggle to get in, probabaly his biggest weakness, but a huge portion of the cast can’t get in either. His edge guarding is some of the easiest in the game and his up air ladder isn’t difficult.
Okay
Seeing some of my favourite Ken combos to execute in this video makes me very happy. I don’t see many shoto players.
I'd say the hardest characters to play properly in ultimate are:
Bayonetta
Terry/Ryu/Ken (all for similar reasons tho Terry is easier)
Snake
Meta Knight
Sheik
Diddy Kong
Marth
Pac Man
Mega Man
Ice Climbers
Duck hunt
@@fredcarmichael5544 It's not as hard as people think tbh
Rosa is extremely difficult as well. No one ever mentions how much you have to use attack canceling
I can get behind almost all of these, but not Marth. The only thing difficult about him is that it's harder to land tipper in this game. Imo, Lucina may be the easiest character in the entire game to pick up and play, so Marth really isn't that different aside from struggling to kill more if you don't space correctly
@@beardlessdragon Most than being difficult to use, is more the always having to worry on tippers or not tippers because both have different combos depending on that. Not the most difficult but not easy at all
would’ve liked to see mega man on here. his skill cap is ridiculously high because he has some insane tech and SO MANY mix ups
IMO the most hype characters to see mastered are Ryu and Shulk. Now that Ryu got buffed it's even more dangerous.
A good Bayonetta player is hype too
Watching a pro Ken player is like watching art being made
Blue Heart lol xd
*no.*
@@blueheart9873 Bayo is really annoying bro sorry. I mean it's basically really easy doing combos with her while Ryu and Shulk requieres skill. I love Ryu's style in Smash because it's unique and Shulk mastered? Damn he scary!
@@siervodedios3139 It's ok bro. Not everyone can understand her big brain techskill. Bayonetta is definitely not a character you can do whatever with. You have to think about a lot of things while playing. Whenever you use a special you get accumulated landing lag. You can also do soft or hard inputs on her attacks (bullet arts) which you have to know when to use them. Her combos are also really complex since people can SDI out of them. So you have to consider your options. And if you overextend you eat a fat smash attack that kills you at 50%
Elite smash pac man: I hydrant, i f smash. I’m big brained
Top level pac man: *playing 4d chess*
5:54 Wait, hold up! One of Ken’s moves (his Back Throw) is called HELL Whell?!
Holy Crap!
That's a swear!
I think you might be exaggerating how hard it is to master Pac-Man. In my experience he's not too rough because the only challenge is really just remembering how his projectiles interact with each other and it isn't as bad as it sounds.
Pac gang is the smartest gang out there
Pac man isnt bigbrain, there are just tryhards who repeat the setups they learned without the basic knowledge
Pd: but tea and sinji are super big brain xd
Y’all are stooopid your all forgetting PLANT GANG
@PYM PIK oh yeah very funny meme aajajaja
We have a galaxy brain lol
Icy ehhh yeah they have combos, but the character itself isn’t that good. Look at PGR tournaments, tell me which character gets more plays AND gets better results?
"Lets start off with a spicy pick. Rosalina and Luma" That is the least spicy thing you could have said ever
Go ahead and talk to me about my listening and comprehension skills, I either wont understand or wont hear you
Being a Yoshi main, I’d day he is and isn’t hard to play, it’s complicated. If you can get good combos in with his air attacks then your good but his smash attacks are a bit slower than normal and are easy to predict and avoid at times.
Not a good look on ProGuides for not mentioning Bayonetta on this list. She is ABSOLUTELY at LEAST top 3 hardest characters to master AND has the LOWEST payoff out of every character in the game for her mastery
Unfortunately she isn’t that relevant in the meta and she is hard to play because she can’t kill. But I do have to admit that it takes skill to win with her just like it takes skill to use ganondorf and win with him at a high level.
@@MountainManAbe it takes skill to win with her at a low level too lol. She has a high skill floor
It took me some time to realize that I’ve climbers deserve to be on this list because I’ve built up so much muscle memory from playing them since launch that they don’t even feel that difficult anymore.
When you said “Let’s calm down with a character, Everyone will see coming”, I thought you were doing a Persona 5 Last Surprise reference but I guess not and I didn’t see it comiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnn’ when you said Shulk.
Y’all thought you could put bowser in the thumbnail like we wouldn’t notice
Bayonetta is pretty difficult imo, despite her being my main and possible waifu.
I disagree her combos aren't hard to pull off and the combo starters for these combos aren't hard to hit too the only real problem with bayonetta is landing a kill which can be pretty difficult with only a few kill confirms like uptilf into backair or any witch times into smash attacks but past that the combos she uses aren't that complicated they just look it due to the effects given off by them
IMO no
Sul2004 Hell no not even fuckin close to a waifu
@Pika Pika Gaming
Better than Palutena in terms of looks and personality smh
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@Icytech
Yeah she can rack up damage but can’t kill until late percents.
Even fucking LITTLE MAC can kill earlier! 😂
Characters that were left out that I think are hard are:
- all the characters that benefit from wave bouncing projectiles(lucas, robin, link, tink, yink, samus/dsamus, etc)
- all the characters with combo strings that involve loops(pikachu, pichu, sheik, joker, etc but i can’t remember if I missed any)
- sonic
- luigi(can’t get to top level if you don’t have the BEST punish game)
As a robin main, hell yes. Robin is one of the only characters who can literally lose over half his arsenal at once in a fight.
nobody in your first list is hard at all. maybe robin though.
Winter Summer you think lucas is easy?
@@moonsad7514 i do
luigi is a one-trick pony
Extremely hot take: The hardest character to "master" is Kirby because you need to also master every neutral special in the game, including Monado Arts and Bonus Fruit
Nick H D-air
@@lominse Kirby's d-air is not good as you think
Holy fuck y'all are dumb
You mean master camping on the edge and suck up your opponent and spit them off the stage
As a Ryu main, I can confirm the accidental specials when you want to aerial attacks, as well as the frustrating learning curve, but man is it satisfying.
You forgot about Snake
I agree people think Snake is easy till they play him
I think Snake is harder than Pac-Man, Duck Hunt and every other zoner.
SwanSSB I disagree. I do agree he’s hard to play, but unlike the other characters you mentioned, he can fall back on trading and throwing out hitboxes. He also has one button kill moves in up tilt and potential kill setups from down throw. Oh and who can forget Nikita, the most brain dead ledge guarding tool in the game?
When fighting online snakes, I can see all the work they put in for spacing and traps, but because they don’t have top level reactions or grenade placement, I find myself winning by a large margin. And I’m just a DK main, all I have to do is n-air and b-air, with a few dash attacks, grabs and an easy ding dong combo.
You need to have a galaxy brain to play snake competitively
As a growing Ken main, I do agree they are a bit hard but you can just look up how to do the inputs if you struggle with them and they are easy if you practice them. I main Ken cause I like fighting games. But yes they are quite hard. If you want a good fighting game character to main or secondary look no further than Terry Bogard. Kazuya has really good potential but at least for me, he's quite difficult but once you get the hang of him, you can massacre your opponents.
Brought up shulk, but said nothing about dial storage which makes shulk so hard to learn at highest level.
Dial storage is hard but not even necessary to play shulk lmao. No top level shulk uses dial storage as a gameplan, he's already hard enough without it
Ty Martin are you blind? Best shulks nicko and Kome CONSTANTLY use dial storage. Im a shulk main and i watch pretty much all of the vods they are in. Its subtle so maybe you dont notice but i do. They dont break out of combos frame 1 with an 11-12 frame switch to shield art.
What is dial storage
Charles Swedenburg
ruclips.net/video/ZMC8Y9eu1DY/видео.html
@@cooldes4593 ok thanks
6:43. I have most Mortal Kombat movesets memorized and I haven't even played Melee. I personally love smash, but the fact that you're saying move inputs take too long for Ryu and Ken just makes me want to show you MK's movesets and a professional MK tournament
As a Bowser main, wtf is he doing in the thumbnail.
His son is much harder to play
Any fighter that consists of more than one character whether it’s at the same time (Rosalina-Luma and Ice Climbers) or separate (smash brawl Zelda/Sheik, Pokémon Trainer, and Pyra/Mythra) are very difficult to master.
Uhhh, the inputs for ken and Ryu are quite simple actually, the difficulty comes in their combo execution. Especially since players are used to 2d fighters that have set knocback, smash is a little different.
He also should have mentioned weak, strong, and proximity normals which give them more attacks than any other character in the game, and that all of their specials have a light, medium, and heavy version depending on how long you hold the button (which kind of includes focus in a way).
@@thegentlexylophone
True
I feel like Sheik should be here because her combos are good but fucking hell are they hard and if she doesn't get them she kinda sucks
Me laughing insanely because I can't even master Sonic
1:46 pretty simple*proceeds to say 10,000 words
Easily, at least for me anyway, the most difficult of these characters are the desyncers. Maybe it's because Shulk was much harder in Sm4sh, Slamondorf is all fundamentals, I don't play Peach or Pac, and I also enjoy SF so the shotos' command inputs are easy for me, but the desyncers, I have never been able to make work. Too much shit to keep track of all at once. Different frama data from Rosa, the AI on both Luma and Popo being absolute trash, how the exact same hit Popo does with Nana has different hit boxes that make moves act very finicky. It's a no from me dog.
Megidramon By default, Nana is the AI controlled character, not Popo
Luma is actually way smarter than Nana because Luma is controlled by the player most of the time with.
Agreed playing two characters is the most hard
5:00 yeah, you know about Flow? That Peach tech 😂
surprised bayonetta wasnt in the thumbnail.
It’s funny cuz shulks at a lower level are so easy maybe even the easiest because its so strong and has huge range but at high level it’s kind of difficult.
Shulks are either a perfect ten or a 1 no in between
People sleep on Pika’s difficulty smh.
Ehh i mean he isnt easy to use but he def isnt harf on the hands. Peach, ice climbers, and rosalina on the other hand require super high skill
Pichu is twice as hard cuz you literally get fucked if u make a mistake or drop combos
Yep dodging stuff by existing is difficult
Patrick Thornberry ur definitely right about that. The long you trying playing the character in a game, the harder is to win because of self damage. He’s also a fast faller that can be combo food yet can die earlier than any character.
*insert esam saying privilege*
Olimar? The way you play depends on which Pikmin you have, and you have to know plenty on all of said Pikmin
Guess:
Ice climbers Pac-Man
Ken ryu shulk
Rosalina peach
Nice guess:D
You just watched the video lol
Honorable mention to pokemon trainer for requiring to learn three characters in one, though none of them are super hard.
this isn't relevant but mario corrin matchup is really fun
Some matchups I recommend are Joker vs. Pokemon Trainer, Snake dittos, Hero vs Donkey Kong, Marth vs Lucina, and Pac Man vs Wario
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@@Exorcist_ali248 no one has fun when they fight snake not even snake
also, falcon dittos is the best ditto IMO
Bayo dittos are both fun to watch and fun to play. Might not be as iconic as, say, the Falcon ditto, but it's definitely worth trying out for anyone who plays her.
@@drk166 the falcon ditto is an obvious choice, I'm broadening people's horizons. Also I love fighting Snake wtf
Lucas has a lot of intricate techs and combos. His DJCZ is so difficult. Also make sure you're good at wavebouncing... Really good at wavebouncing...
bayo cant kill until 150
yah that's what me in the biz call bad
That's an understatement. Usually closer to 200
Jonny Tompkins lol
@@JohtoJonnyYT ah yes, my mistake
Characters that are hard to pick up and master are ones that you cannot bring those fundamentals to another characters.
For instance, if you know how to play Marth, you can bring those fundamentals to Ike, Lucina, Corrin, and others with some adjustment.
But you can’t bring PAC Man’s trap setup fundamentals to Duck Hunt.
All the characters you mentioned definitely differs from the rest.
Rosa mains are rare and hard to play in general. And getting off the ledge as Rosa is a nightmare
Yeah I never see rosa in elite smash. I feel like the only one in my area sometimes lol. Plus whenever I lose it’s because I was experimenting with some tech that failed to execute or because my luma attacks weren’t precise due to lag
Ophelia Valentine : Or using Launch Star the wrong way. Even Dabuz has done this.
Sad to not see Duck Hunt in this list but nonetheless, love your content ♡
All these characters at high levels of play are like watching god on a battlefield, but pacman is more specifically a bored god that toys with his opponents first.
Terry,Ryu,Ken until the other six come out
No way
Terry mad easy and shotos and even top 5 hardest characters
Lol street fighter bias
plz add skull kid in smash have you played kof nigga? Combos are hard as shit. Street fighter is casual baby play compared to it.
plz add skull kid in smash lmao use shotos and terry and record yourself doing advanced technical stuff with them
VEX •_• remember
Most people that say terry is easy probably never played KOF
As a Palu main, the character should be here for how to do more than 5 N-airs and that the opponent isn't ur friend anymore
Lucas is kinda hard
Not really, but he’s nowhere as easy as ness
both went to the school of mashing and were top of their class
She's an easier version of Marth tho...
Y’all really don’t know Lucas then, he’s got some of the craziest tech and combos in the game, from wavebounch fire/magnet, auto cancel nairs to his double jump cancel snake
I definitely agree that Ice Climbers would be very, VERY difficult to master. I mean, I wouldn't even know where to start with the desyncs, and I try not to play the game super risky, so I would feel immense dread from losing a climber because I messed up during a desync or something. I also agree with Shulk being on the list. As someone who plays Shulk, I know full well how awkward it can be when your entire moveset basically changes because you activated a Monado (mainly Speed, Jump, and Shield, as Buster and Smash don't affect your movement).
I would’ve put Olimar and Alph on this list. As an avid Alph player, he’s not as “e-z bake” as people make him out to be. You need to keep track of every Pikmin in your lineup to make sure they don’t die, you need to keep track of which colors you have for specific situations (such as keeping a blue Pikmin on deck for a throw KO), and most importantly, you need to make sure you have at least one Pikmin to do _anything._ Olimar and Alph are two of Smash’s most complex characters, and it’s such a shame most people only see them as “campy”, “boring” or “lame” characters, when in reality, they’re super hype if the player knows what they’re doing.
As a diehard Pikmin fan, Olimar and Alph deserve more love. Especially Alph. He’s my favorite.
man i feel stupid rn i cant tell if your joking or not
I’m not joking at all.
I’ll never understand the Olimar/Alph hate
Also tracking the pikmin you are currently using is hard to track since it’s really hard to see during match idek how you olimar players even do that lol
I rarely fight them, I guess it’s just me...
People just don’t like how Olimar and Alph are one of the few characters that take actual, legitimate skill to learn the ins-and-outs of. The different abilities of the Pikmin, the importance of using a specific color in a specific situation, and making sure the Pikmin are safe from harm are just a few examples of what you need to do in order to achieve success. But no, the majority of players only see them as lame, campy characters incapable of hype, when it’s actually the contrary.
Gabriel Spies I can feel your frustration
People need to get better and realize that it’s not the character but the player
6:00 Terry has some of the same inputs as the shotos lol
(Burn knuckle = hadouken, power dunk = shoryuken, crack shoot = tatsu). They have the same window to input and stuff, they're just different moves
Yeah I've heard people say the windows aren't the same but, me learning terry's inputs definitely translated to me being about to do ryu's inputs.
@@ChiodosBlowsDogs yeah the windows are the same, but Ken and Ryus confirms generally are quicker than Terry's so they have less time to do the input, Terry's jab was specifically designed to give more room for an input
No Sheik? D:
Not fully in the video so far no bayo either
Love my Shoto nonsense. Ken has been one of my favorite characters since Street Fighter 2 hit Super Nintendo. Tis my main on ultimate.
Megaman? I am genuinely confused why he’s not here
Pathos Fitness I had the same thought. I don’t think Megaman is more complex than these guys, but if this was a Top-10, he should be on the list.
Gregory Goldston I can agree to that. Pellets look simple on the surface. But I’ve been maining him for 8 months now and not just recently have I gotten really comfortable using them.
Yeah he is the most unique character ever implemented in smash, every single one of his moves is not like any other characters. (Except for fair and f smash) and he has lots of different setups with metal blade and crash bomber. You also need to learn when to rush down and return so you dont get obliterated because of his (its?)bad burst options. Megaman is extremely hard to learn and get used to. But amazing once mastered
Some character's difficulties are what keep me playing them. I'm first drawn to them by their character, and then mastering them becomes a challenge. That's why I play Ryu, meta knight, and Ganondorf (yeah haha, I know what you're thinking. Ganondorf is easy, doriyah, but Ganondorf is bottom tier trash and is in some ways worse than Mac. I also picked up Ganondorf in Brawl)
Good Pacman players have a 300 IQ brain, change my mind
Nah most camp
Good ones don't camp tho
No. Only the good ones
Pacman mains have a 350 IQ there mind changed
What bout now?
Not to mention, you also have to TIME the Pac Man fruit to make sure you get the bell. Honestly bell is broken.
So MegaMan just easy to play, huh? smdh
Kinda
we are humble, they don't need to know the struggle.
bruh this is the HARDEST to play there are characters that are still hard to master but aren't the hardest. There's a huge difference between not the hardest and not hard.
@@Ken-wf8fo If you say that you are humble, you're not humble.
@@manongraymond5481 Hey man, My apologies your right. I was saying that kinda sarcastic, honestly i think megaman players are carried, and
he is not tough to learn imo. But he is my main.
Ice climbers, meta knight, pits, shulk, pacman, and little mac
Yo Pit is easy tho
Myster y his advance combos are hard to do
@@Jediwhoever1 Yo I can literally all of Pits Combos.... I personally likes the down air combos the most but his combos are so much easier than for exemple Peach, Bayo, Ice Cliebers combos... So Pits combos are Esay tho
That Shulk player had some very crisp and smooth movements
Sure, Pika and Peach are top tier characters, but they are also extremely hard to master. Especially Pika, the elite smash Pikas are a shame to hardcore Pika mains.
Why are you complaining about elite smash Pikas?
Ofc online players aren't as good as tourney players, lmao