I believe they will become more popular soon, now that the NAs are getting more expensive the NBs are becoming very popular. The same will happen to the NC once the NBs start going up in a few years. I am already seeing more modded NCs online than I did a couple years ago. They have great suspension geometry, I think they will be amazing platforms once people realize it. Personally not the biggest fan of the exhaust note from the NC engine but this one sounds great.
@@biggboysouth I agree with you.The NC is an adaptation from the highly acclaimed RX-8 platform - and many people do rate the torsional rigidity, the balance and adjustablity from that rotary car. I heard both cars can have rust issues (especially in areas with wet climate like the UK), so you'll have to be careful of that. As much as I love the prior MX-5 gens, the NC seems to be a big step in development from the previous chassis design essentially from the late 80s.
@@biggboysouth I have an 09 with Goodwin's Roadstersport exhaust and it sounds pretty fricken great, but most exhausts make it sound rattly around 2-4krpm
@@matthewpeters2062 I imagine as the NC becomes more popular more products will start to come out to take advantage of the new market. I'm sure there will be even more great sounding NCs real soon.
@@TheMaroth ND2 doesn't have as much torque but it's almost as fast as a 2.5 swapped NC, and I say that from experience giving that I own a 2.5 swapped NC with stage 1 cams and FBO and I raced my friends soft top basically stock ND2 and he was actually faster, my car has some gear changing issues I gotta admit, so I'm upgrading my clutch and my engine mounts for smoother gear shifting, and maybe then it'll be a closer race or even a win for the 2.5 but I was surprised to see how fast those ND2s are, do not underestimate them!
@@jamiefisher1430 Yes sir I think that's the number one reason, I'm sure he doesn't have more power than me but a soft top ND is like the lightest miata ever made! That's why the first thing I did after the race is order a light weight single muffler to reduce weight 😂 And a close 2nd is that gearing issue that I mentioned.
@@raghibfarrash2183 I see, I understand, makes sense Raghib 👍 It would be great if it was easy to make any NC (including the retractable hardtop) lighter like the ND's weight without gutting the interior and removing air conditioning... Just need to start off with lightweight exhaust, lighter wheels, and bucket seats I guess!
The problem with turbos and superchargers on track cars is that they add a lot of heat that’s very difficult to deal with. Some of us like to go more than four miles at full send without melting the engine, so for us the investment in ITBs is worth it. On top of that, troubleshooting an aftermarket forced induction system when it eventually breaks at the track is a nightmare, so the simplicity of naturally aspirated is welcome.
@@michaelw6277 yes, I understand the point of ITb’s, there a nsx video that compares all Three and their features pretty well. You can definitely tune and make a reliable Miata that doesn’t heat soak with forced induction esp w a supercharger, you also gain way more power for less or around the same money. Not saying itb,s are bad or that a normal Miata naturally aspirated isn’t fun I’m just saying if you want a capable car actually that will keep up with other stuff you’re gonna need FI
@@triptravels1999 you can make a turbocharged car not heat soak, but it's expensive, heavy, and a pain in the ass to figure out and deal with. The relative simplicity of ITBs means less dicking around with the car and more time driving. I have a turbocharged car, it's fun and it's really awesome to be able to nearly double the horsepower for a few thousand bucks, but to add so much horsepower and be able to get it to run flat out for 30 minutes at a time is not nearly as easy as slapping on a turbo.
@@michaelw6277 obviously you’re going to put more effort and individual items on a turbo car but let’s really talk about cost here while considering that having a small turbo on the car and not making a lot of power is an option, that it’s not rocket science to cool an engine bay and that besides that a kraftwerks super charger would only be around 2.5k(6k overall) more, tuned w a radiator and spall fans and could be ran lightly until further supporting mods which regardless of what you get you’d most likely add. then you could choose how much power you wanted to make w the benefit of immediate response for around only 1.5k more w no supporting mods that could be gotten later. For turbo vs itb, yes they’re simple, but they are relatively the same price as a turbo to make half the power and then from that point have no options to add power besides engine work which, IMO, blowing up stock engines and keeping the nice pieces on the outside is way easier than replacing a built motor and the spend to hp ratio is sad. For 4K you can have a full turbo kit, a tune on racerom, a radiator, and spall fans. Whereas you can get be itb’s for 2500 and get the tuning from bbr for them for around 1k so for 500 dollars more you end up w a car w infinitely more options as a platform for nearly the same price w cooling support.
I would like you guys to build an ITB car for me, I have an NA 1.6 and would like to achieve 200RW HP - What would a build estimate be? Eingetragen, näturlich...
Impossible to reach 200 whp on a 1.6. They barely make 230 on a build 2.0L with all-out-cams. And thats almost not drivable on a daily base. Thats 190ish WHP on a maxed out 2L NA.
I didn't say it had to remain 1.6 - 2.0 would be fine, it would be 90% a weekend/roadtrip car and 10% Nürburgring toy for after the weekend drives in the Eifel :-)
Great video SPS! NC is an underrated platform, and pretty affordable now that they depreciated. Excited to see ITBs for the NDs!
I believe they will become more popular soon, now that the NAs are getting more expensive the NBs are becoming very popular. The same will happen to the NC once the NBs start going up in a few years. I am already seeing more modded NCs online than I did a couple years ago.
They have great suspension geometry, I think they will be amazing platforms once people realize it. Personally not the biggest fan of the exhaust note from the NC engine but this one sounds great.
@@biggboysouth I agree with you.The NC is an adaptation from the highly acclaimed RX-8 platform - and many people do rate the torsional rigidity, the balance and adjustablity from that rotary car. I heard both cars can have rust issues (especially in areas with wet climate like the UK), so you'll have to be careful of that. As much as I love the prior MX-5 gens, the NC seems to be a big step in development from the previous chassis design essentially from the late 80s.
@@biggboysouth I have an 09 with Goodwin's Roadstersport exhaust and it sounds pretty fricken great, but most exhausts make it sound rattly around 2-4krpm
@@matthewpeters2062 I imagine as the NC becomes more popular more products will start to come out to take advantage of the new market. I'm sure there will be even more great sounding NCs real soon.
Buy all the ncs you can and store them lmao
any word on ITB for the nd miata? really interested for my 2022
This is awesome! More people need to jump on this type of 2.5 ITB Build. The quoted 280hp is that at the wheels?
at crank, even with a full 12.5:1 compression build and itbs, you are looking around 250whp
has the owner on this car got any socials? id love to find more about this build, really loving the look of the roll bar
👍🏻
Who makes that Ducktail spoiler?
"We run AWR motor mounBBBBZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTT!"
Yeah, you don't say.
I’d like to know what it costs to get a 2.5 nc with itb up to 280hp , sounds like a perfect amount of power for an nc .
What's the purpose of the VVT delete?
Are those the XXR 527 wheels?
An ND2 with ITB’s, a shorter rear gear, and E85 would be amazing. This NC is just a taste of what that could be!
This NC is engine swapped. Unless you wanna Duratec-swap the ND2 im pretty sure this NC is still on top
@@TheMaroth ND2 doesn't have as much torque but it's almost as fast as a 2.5 swapped NC, and I say that from experience giving that I own a 2.5 swapped NC with stage 1 cams and FBO and I raced my friends soft top basically stock ND2 and he was actually faster, my car has some gear changing issues I gotta admit, so I'm upgrading my clutch and my engine mounts for smoother gear shifting, and maybe then it'll be a closer race or even a win for the 2.5 but I was surprised to see how fast those ND2s are, do not underestimate them!
@@raghibfarrash2183 Thanks for sharing your experience. Do you reckon its because the ND2 weighs a lot less than your NC?
@@jamiefisher1430 Yes sir I think that's the number one reason, I'm sure he doesn't have more power than me but a soft top ND is like the lightest miata ever made! That's why the first thing I did after the race is order a light weight single muffler to reduce weight 😂
And a close 2nd is that gearing issue that I mentioned.
@@raghibfarrash2183 I see, I understand, makes sense Raghib 👍 It would be great if it was easy to make any NC (including the retractable hardtop) lighter like the ND's weight without gutting the interior and removing air conditioning... Just need to start off with lightweight exhaust, lighter wheels, and bucket seats I guess!
Hello what engine code did you use and what gearbox? Thanks
are we gonna have itb for nd soon
will be answered in the next english Q&A (16.01.2023)
I would love to try this on the race track , sound glorious .
Thank you!
Love your videos.
Would say, you are on of the drivers, who really could use this thing like it should be used.
@@dmnkarnld thanks, shure it would be really fun to try .
@@driver46 It is!
Does it have TUV? :D :D :D
PS. I love it. I love ITBs.
If you want a fun Miata, turbo or supercharge it.BBR ITbs are like 3k usd
The problem with turbos and superchargers on track cars is that they add a lot of heat that’s very difficult to deal with. Some of us like to go more than four miles at full send without melting the engine, so for us the investment in ITBs is worth it. On top of that, troubleshooting an aftermarket forced induction system when it eventually breaks at the track is a nightmare, so the simplicity of naturally aspirated is welcome.
@@michaelw6277 yes, I understand the point of ITb’s, there a nsx video that compares all
Three and their features pretty well. You can definitely tune and make a reliable Miata that doesn’t heat soak with forced induction esp w a supercharger, you also gain way more power for less or around the same money. Not saying itb,s are bad or that a normal Miata naturally aspirated isn’t fun I’m just saying if you want a capable car actually that will keep up with other stuff you’re gonna need FI
And what I one doesn't want turbo/supercharged car?
@@triptravels1999 you can make a turbocharged car not heat soak, but it's expensive, heavy, and a pain in the ass to figure out and deal with. The relative simplicity of ITBs means less dicking around with the car and more time driving.
I have a turbocharged car, it's fun and it's really awesome to be able to nearly double the horsepower for a few thousand bucks, but to add so much horsepower and be able to get it to run flat out for 30 minutes at a time is not nearly as easy as slapping on a turbo.
@@michaelw6277 obviously you’re going to put more effort and individual items on a turbo car but let’s really talk about cost here while considering that having a small turbo on the car and not making a lot of power is an option, that it’s not rocket science to cool an engine bay and that besides that a kraftwerks super charger would only be around 2.5k(6k overall) more, tuned w a radiator and spall fans and could be ran lightly until further supporting mods which regardless of what you get you’d most likely add. then you could choose how much power you wanted to make w the benefit of immediate response for around only 1.5k more w no supporting mods that could be gotten later. For turbo vs itb, yes they’re simple, but they are relatively the same price as a turbo to make half the power and then from that point have no options to add power besides engine work which, IMO, blowing up stock engines and keeping the nice pieces on the outside is way easier than replacing a built motor and the spend to hp ratio is sad. For 4K you can have a full turbo kit, a tune on racerom, a radiator, and spall fans. Whereas you can get be itb’s for 2500 and get the tuning from bbr for them for around 1k so for 500 dollars more you end up w a car w infinitely more options as a platform for nearly the same price w cooling support.
The final drive ratio is completely wrong for this amount of torque.
What's the specs of the engine?
Watch the video 😂
Literally says everything in the video 🤦🏻♂️
What seats are those?
Recaro pole position
What’s the redline on one of those ? More than you can afford pal it’s over 9000 ! 😂
I would like you guys to build an ITB car for me, I have an NA 1.6 and would like to achieve 200RW HP - What would a build estimate be? Eingetragen, näturlich...
SPS Shop Leistungspakete 23000 € für 190PS Kurbelwelle vermutlich
Impossible to reach 200 whp on a 1.6. They barely make 230 on a build 2.0L with all-out-cams. And thats almost not drivable on a daily base. Thats 190ish WHP on a maxed out 2L NA.
200whp from a NA 1.6 is like a old N2 race engine. It's possible but way to expensive, undrivable on the street and 100% without tüv.
I didn't say it had to remain 1.6 - 2.0 would be fine, it would be 90% a weekend/roadtrip car and 10% Nürburgring toy for after the weekend drives in the Eifel :-)
@@TheMaroth that sounds roughly what @reinaldo8787 suggested in terms of PS - 2.0 would be fine
Sounds almost like a formula Atlantic!
A formula Atlantic what?
@ Mazda MZR powered 016a Atlantic, or a 2.0MZR swapped pro formula Mazda (SCCA Atlantic)
@@TheK18 yeah it would, it’s a duratec on bodies lol
👍👍👍👍🔥🔥🔥
Take my Miata and my money
aaaaaaaahhhhmmmmm :-)
interesting accent
😂 absolute trash 🗑️
SHOW US THE DYNO RESULTS ! What ? No Dyno results ? Oh ! You think it’s better 😂 Carry On