Another rivalry was Stone Love , Inner City rivalry which went on for a few years, both sound didn't play with each other for a few years which culminated in the first $100.00 dance in Jamaica in 1993 at house of Leo..The dance was sold out from 11 o'clock everybody was there anticipating the face off. It was awesome. Mark and Danny, Rory ,wee pow,and the crew. $100.00 well spent
Bass Odyssey & Mighty Crown wasn't a true rivalry, that came after the sound clash ting was watered down already.. Bass Odyssey vs. 4x4 Exodus was a RIVALRY!!
Mighty Crown and Bass odyssey sold ALOT of tickets! I agree there was not a back and forth but it was the closest we got to a modern day rivalry. People came out to see them warr!
Chin I would argue that one of the things that killed rivalries were trophies. We need to get back to the days where not every clash is a trophy clash with judged rounds... Because if you loose a clash "officially" you might be wary of hurting your brand a second time...but if you have room for debate about who won then you have a reason to buck up next week/month whatever...until the hype reach high enough that a trophy clash keep.
I love your thinking iyah ! Great comment ! However, during the World Clash Series great rivalries were created while trophies were being won. I respect your point and I will talk about it further in one of my future episodes.
It will never go back to the old days. Very sad but very glad I got to experience the golden era!! No disrespect to Matterhorn or Linx but those 2 did more damage to the culture by transcending the sound game. Having 1 foot in and 1 foot out gave us a watered down product. Also I don’t know how or why but when the 45 was replaced by the computer it felt different to me. But I’m glad I got to experience World clash, Biltmore ballroom, Q club , Jamrock and even Q45… Some of the biggest clash ever and we can’t leave out the juggling sounds. Road international comes to mind. Man I hate that I can’t go to Vp or original records to pick up cassette anymore. Final statement, let the sound system be sound system and let the artist be artist, can’t be dutty wine on Thursday and sound killer on Friday. Oh before I forget, what ever happened to Adonai , the sound of the future?? A good sound that disappeared…..
Technology changes and also the business changed ,if Links did not transcend to producing, Uptown Mondays, Juggling dances and Matterhorn to artist, and just stick to clashing they would be broke right now
Yesss!!!you hit the nail on the spot,I've been saying this,the lack of "Rivalries"...too much segregation with the clash sounds and juggling sounds everybody ah friends and what soundmon dem nowadays don't realize is that the veteran soundmon dem was friends but when it comes to soundclash arena it's just warr friendship dash weh..nowadays soundmon want to friend up other soundmon to know what's in their dub box and also if ah soundmon has certain dead artists in there dub box soundmon don't want to clash them..everybody wants to win nowadays nobody wants to lose!! You have to lose to win the lack of bravery with this new generation of soundclash is very Heeediot,and also there no more traveling to studio too studio to cut dubs and bill vibes with artists too much call and order like ah chicken&fries soundmon is dealing with,and I can go on&on cho! Respect Chin Great Topic tho.
This series wicked some valid points..but how can rivalry build when no clash keep?? Rivalry is there but the sounds are not clashing for all the other reasons you have mentioned price for dubs and over charging promoters
Rivalry the way I see it can and should start in juggling dances where one selector throw word at another selector and build momentum for a clash/clashes. Perfect example would be Notorious (little shabba) and Chris Dymond, they had a online squabble last year but I don't know why that didn't result in a clash
I can remember, it was long side dances that helped sparked big clashes. Going to a dance for example spectrum and LP would be juggling then that popped off lead to a major clash, but they build up the hype by keeping more juggling dances. at any given time if LP was on a bill spectrum would pop up drop two tune and vice versa. I think sounds need more juggling dates to bring in the crowd and draw in the younger generation.
When Squingy said he was the Michael Jordan of sound clash and it dosen't get any better. He was not lying. When he died so did the sound clash fraternity.
Sound clash in the UK died in the late 80s, Saxon, Coxson, Unity, Shaka and other sounds just seem to shut down one after another. At the same time warehouse and acid house was growing in 1988, and some say it was these new scenes that killed it off, plus there were new laws about party and gathering. I've still got a few Downbeat/Saxon tapes still.
There is still rivalry but it’s rivalry that was built from back in the day. For example if a promoter put on a clash today between Addies vs Jaro it would sell off. If someone put on Trooper vs Links today it would sell off. If someone put on Rodigan vs Waggy Tee today it would sell off. If someone were to put on Addies vs LP today it would sell off. However the sad fact is that no promoter can financially afford to put on any of these clashes due to the ridiculous prices these sounds are charging. I know several promoters tried to put on a 25th anniversary Rodigan vs Waggy Tee clash a few years ago. Some of them even offered almost crazy money but they still refused. From what I heard one of them wanted even more money which was *truly* crazy but ain’t no promoter in the world paying that. So it’s probably a get out clause for some of these sounds to get out of clashes. Which is the tactic that Saxon started after their 94 World Clash win where they would intentionally out price themselves just to get out of clashing. Big up Chin for never being afraid to talk the truth.
Mr Chin respect to you and your long time work and commitment. Simple: each sound team should be regulated as a division such as Heavyweight, Middleweight etc each sound should work towards a title clash, each contender are valued as depending where they are in a sound system league, for example Ricky Trooper #1 should be paid $18000 Trooper always pull in the crowd and sell tickets by consistent & representation, sound system winner should pay towards promotion $2000 other sound should pay $1000 to promotion to keep the gate prices real for the people
Mighty Crown ! point how can average sound cut customs to clash these sounds ? it reach a point where only a few sounds could keep up with these rich sounds , we need them to go back to the fun !! bragging rights ! ! lack of rivalry is one but the fun is missing , it's all about buisness !
I have never heard you guys talk about, Lee's unlimited, and they were the original Buju Banton Sound and was the first sound to kill Bass Odyssey in St.Ann
From my perspective as a likkle ute inna the business that doesn’t clash but loves the war arena a think the decline stems from what chin said in ep.1 sounds over charging, nobody nuh wah clash cause the fraid fi lose and a next issue is some sounds don’t have war heads on most of these sound it’s just jugglers put some jugglers in the war arena they can’t necessarily perform and The audience is a next problem most 20 something year olds not turning out for clashes cause the “hot sounds” and the “hot selectas” that are rocking these juggling events are not venturing into the war arena and this is why code red is breaking the mould as a “ young sound” with a “young mc and young mixer “ and turn the business on its head. Now and code red is developing a rivalry with odessey and trooper
Agree with all your points but one. Jugglers can clash...they can't clash the same way as a war head, but ya win clash by winning the crowd, not by imitating the past. Dem a de ones that can bring forth the new styles to keep clash relevant.
@@DJDMass same way not every juggler wants to play di same riddim, heard code red vs trooper and the remix hip hop dubs beat him and the style of juggling killed him by3rd round
I still think dub plates is high for new sounds to start and if you put a sound outside police going to shut it down fast even indoors they going to shut it down let's face it big money not running like the 80 and 90 times hard
No filter clash in the Golden Era was fueled by drug money. That was just one way of dons to showoff on one another. Artistes knew the soundowners and selectors. Nowadays artist do not know or respect these sounds
If I'm a sound owner ain't know way I'm spending $1000 on a dub that the artist can't change the lyrics and/or put it on a different riddim, that means I'm overpaying $999.01 for a 45. If I'm to clash three times a year and I think I need 4 of the new hot songs. That's $4000 and if I tell the promoter $7000 it makes no sense. I would rather Juggle 45's to kill and bring younger crowds in the venues and
sound clash is a cultural event, it nuh dead it just slow down in some circles. maybe saturated in some countries till the people get bored. some a the clash dem a cussing match. maybe the big sounds on their ego trips get tired, dem was in it for the wrong reason. who love it still do it just for the love just like in the old days because dem love music..
Now a days selectors too arrogant and fraid to loose..and whats funny all the rivals were friends . sounds weh a fly and wah war with their area sounds. Start a rivalry in your area then bring it outa road
Irish and chin also played a part in the decline of sound clash Don’t get me wrong they did a lot of good things too, eg reaching out other sounds from other nations and making it a global thing But for the me the more sounds partake in a clash the more it gets watered down Microwave clashes I prefer to clash them were the downfall The only way is go back to basics, authentic clash from back in the days These days too many rules, let’s get to basics Just my thoughts
Point taken! Ask yourself this thou... How far do you think the original format would have taken the industry. World Clash started in 98. It got globally popular in 99. Would the original format last from say.... 1995 until today ?? World Clash worked because the stand up around sound thing was dying. It's easy to blame me, but my format entertained clash fans around the World for over 2 decades. If you do the math... the dub-plate & 45 sound clash era (sounds clash without artists) began during the later half of the 80's. The popularity of the stand up around your sound dub plate era started to fade before the year 2000. The microwave era, as you call it.... was in full swing by the year 2000 and peaked between 2018 - 2020. How come the microwave era ( that destroyed the industry) last longer than the golden period you are referring ? No disrespect but please explain with facts NOT opinions
@@garfieldbourne2448 respect for your response and trust me no disrespect meant at all, I believe original format would have worked up until today, You got clashing onto the global scale but with that it brought new rules to the clash arena which I believe helped in the demise of clashing thing You promoted a lot of clashes in your time but people will always talk about the king addies and Kilamanjaro clash, which I believe used to old format but it is still clash thats talked about the most You did a lot of good work too, taking clash to higher heights, and we enjoyed your clashes , so its not a blame game but merely expressing my opinion My point in short is we need to get back to basics
All facts, that’s why Rory will always be a legend. People forget that clashes used to be about who played the better music and had the vibe, not the screaming and abuse.
Chin right as rain bout rivalry. Problem now is to create rivals and a platform for them to compete. With the internet and live streaming, I'm not sure if the profits have gone up for the promoters because technically there is no limit as to how many people can watch (and pay) for a live event. I think more advertisements and promotion of PREVIOUS clashes need to happen as I find it hard to find recent clashes and I'm searching for it! What about a casual fan who happen to stumble upon a clash and start love it?? The market need to increase. Both from a sound system level as well as a promoter level. My two cents....
the dub plates are very expensive these days ! but a lot of sounds not clashing but they still cut a lot of current dubs ! Irish & Chin start back world clash series ask the artist and the sound systems owners to come on board , artist & sound owners must understand that we trying to build back our culture so the prices must reasonable across the board !
Suggestion! Make a rule, saying that no need to cut New dub plates for that Sound Clash they are competing in! Use what you have in your box 📦 and 45s!! Especially since the Dub plates being cut since the early 2000s don’t have any Longevity!! Dub plates cut from the 1970s - early 2000s have more $taying power!!
Few things destroy sound clash...Crazy dub prices is one of em' but then again if you can't afford this hobby don't bother get into it. Sounds wanting more then their original value is a next ting...And Yes Lack of Rivalry is a huge contribution to the state of the clash business today.
And some of uno might not agree but hip hop music played a part to.. member one time when not everybody had a tv or phone.. so only word of mouth or cassette would be your passport and that’s how you fly out.. now every man have phone internet to the value of things drop like crazy.. hip hop music make everybody feel like dem ah star and it take away from the culture.. before hip hop really hit yard only people who fly out knew what’s really going on.. when the artist start to fly out and see da world they start to look for this big ole contract and big money then the love of the music went.. once it that happen every man tun star and clash start take a turn.. once clashes star die out in yard then it start die out slowly every where else
Sound clash not dead bro, sound clash is competition, competition can’t die it’s a natural order of life. As long there are sound system there will be competition
B.O. VS B.G. Bingo hall Paterson nj was great for 8- 70 minutes cd’s was also ambush by links when he gamed squingy and mark into playing foundation tunes to beat them or at least share the honors on the night….not the last time he did it…lol
But remember clash was hot before Covid lots of clash was going on even in Canada so things change because of Covid don’t forget that and Covid rise a lot of sounds that we never heard of
I feel as if the judging of the rounds/clashes is a big part of it as well.. before the judged clashes you would listen to an audio four five times because it wasn’t really decided.. it was opinion of who like what.. so it made for the Rivalry’s to go on.. judged rounds took away the excitement and the debates.. that’s just one part
I don’t agree with chin one bit. And my reason is I am a sound clash fan and I use to play music as well I bought records and I cut dubz, Sound system is a business and not a hobby, u can’t be running a business at a lost even if u are getting paid to clash. Some local so called big artist is charging 500-1500USD for a special. Now if u have a clash coming up and u charge $5000. Where would u get the money to cut those dubz. Thirdly. There’s is not sound loyalty from artist anymore which change the game a lot because artist now a days don’t see a great need for the sound systems. Because of the availability of social media and the easy access to promote their own music 🎼 Also chin the music it self has change which in my Opinion is not even reggae or dancehall music. These dubz are not even worth cutting. They have no substance or stability. So u can’t jsut say it’s the sound man them alone. If a promoter hire a sound it’s the promoters job to promote their business and make the efforts to draw crowd When was the last time u ever see a give always in a sound clash. To make it attractive for patrons Chin is just talking as a promoter as only seeing it from his point
No disrespect but you gotta understand the culture to arguing certain points. Sound clash culture has "NEVER" been ran as a business in regards to dub cutting. There are sound systems sitting around with dub boxes that value 2million USD! Ask them how much they made off of their investment! I will answer for them... NOTHING! Buying music, cutting a few dubs, and playing at a few parties is a different world than where we are coming from bredda. Your dubs are apart of your equipment needed to do your job. Promoters should not have to pay for that! you don't give the promoter your dubs after the event is over!!!! Sound MUST charge what they can pull!! pulling power is the name of the game!!! fuck dubs cost! if you cut $10,000 USD worth of dubs and you cant pull 10 people how does that help the industry or the promoter ?????????
@@garfieldbourne2448 yea me Bredda I totally agree. But I have heard over years many people including chin when his world clash was on top and been support. I he made statements how that music has evolved and we need changed and new blood. So how can we expect sounds to continue playing base on culture with expenses that are higher than one can imagine. It’s not gonna happen
There are no new artists out there to continue di clash ting, wah yu ago du when Marcia and ken an all di ol artists dem dead off, we just have to rimanis about the good ol days when Bass Odyssey kill Jaro or when Might Crown kill Mattahorn
Bro everything is dead it would not get back to normal cause the charging prices are crazy and it’s fools that gonna pay those ridiculous price sound man are charging
Nowadays sounds are too afraid to clash. In the days if you weren't there you had to wait for the cassette to come out, then pray that you find it or someone who you can run it off from. Today the audio is out the same night. No time to build up anticipation of what happened. Plus with the internet you get to see everybody's comments and thoughts on your performance. That is hurting a lot of egos..
Dancehall kill sound clash, Without dancehall there will be no clash, DANCEHALL IS SELF EXPLANATORY, WHERE MEN And WOMEN EMBRACE and dance,The BEGINNING OF THE DOWN FALL OF DANCEHALL, Bringing cameras into the dance as a permanent fixture CREATED The bag of Modeling inna dancehall, at that point men was on this side and women that side, THE SILVER BULLET WAS MAKING DANCEHALL A CIRCUS, A BAG A FISH DID A DANCE UP IN the club and they became the focal point. And 99.99% of male dancers were FEMININE a bag of BATTYMAN, ono can gwan like its not true, this subject is like how white people threat the subject of race.. Many know the truth but don't want to offend those, man and woman that condone battyboy and girl, Dancehall was sweet, me as a 15 year old just touch down NY, Biltmore, Club La Best,Tilden, starlight, Africa House, callaloo, qclub, Yesclub, Jamrock, Upper deck, Club Liguanea jamaica ave, warehouse, Moments Elmont long Island.
One of the thing that kill dance hall is the excessive talking, them talk more than how them play music, the s u Mada business also have no place in music, we should have approach the thing intelligently, now European is taking over the business, sad...
If you kill the root of a tree, it's sure to die. Sound system culture has been under attack from the Jamaican Government for years now. It was expected. Without venues to play a sound system, no real talents will rise. And if that is not fixed soon.......
Yah chat all dat effry an a yuh same one when a likkle soun a try buss yuh wah dem play fi free a ur dance, yuh is a sound system pirate a yuh bob Marley dem a talk bout
Respect Chin I hear your take on the derailement of sound clashes in the world. However I also think that you help derailed the clash arena when you stop keeping the World Clashes in Jamaica. Each and every Easter Mondays we Jamaicans were always looking forward to that Compition and there was no other clashes in Jamdown that brought out so much patrons both males and females as well and not even Usain Bolt got so much horns of aprasials as these sound systems and there selectors, both old and new. I rememberd one year when Silver Star from westmoreland had all the Dinasours worried, then there was this year that Black Blunt as a new sound on the World Clash scean was very Impressive as well and lets not forget that it was same World Clash that saw Mighty Crown becoming a sound to be reconed with. It brought out the best of BassOdyssey, Black Kat, Mighty Crown, David Rodigan, Tony Matterhorn etc. And as for Rivalry I must agree that it helps to keep the great in the world of fame weather it be Juggling or clashing. Remember some of the most competitive Jugglings of all time " Road Star / Inner City One for One. Inner City /Gemini, Stone Love / Metro Media, / Gemini, / Jam Rock, / Renaissance / Travellers etc. While the most dangerous Clashing machines were sounds Such as Body Guard, BassOdyssey, Black Kat, KillamanJaro, Silver Hawk, 4x4 Exodus, Super Dee, Pieces, Turbo Phonic just to name a few from the past all these Sound system played a part of the Clash Industry nuff respect to these and others sounds and selectors whom have contributed in some form... .Bless up yuhself Chin ! Peace out......
Chin so far you’re hitting all the key points the rivalry and frequent competition was vital I think the last two rivalries are Matterhorn and links and bass odyssey and king addies those 4 took it all over the world and the competition was epic the mighty crown bass odyssey was a short and sweet one compared to the others I mentioned
Sound clash rivalry is a natural thing you cannot force or manufacture rivalry. Chin says it's a couple of years now there has been no rivalry. Where have you been chin it's corona time 🤣🤣🤣
Good conversation but it sounds like you're lobbying for sounds and selectors to create rivalry to keep your venture of doing sound clashes going. Have you given thought that just maybe sound clash has run it course and people are looking at new forms of entertainment.
Sounds a slap down each other since the mid 1950s...Tom The Great Sebastian, Count Smith, Sir Nick The Champ, Vee's Rocket, Duke Reid, Sir Coxone's Downbeat to name a few.
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I would like to see, another clash, between Soul Supreme, and King Addies, very soon .😇😇😀😀
Another rivalry was Stone Love , Inner City rivalry which went on for a few years, both sound didn't play with each other for a few years which culminated in the first $100.00 dance in Jamaica in 1993 at house of Leo..The dance was sold out from 11 o'clock everybody was there anticipating the face off. It was awesome. Mark and Danny, Rory ,wee pow,and the crew. $100.00 well spent
Bass Odyssey & Mighty Crown wasn't a true rivalry, that came after the sound clash ting was watered down already.. Bass Odyssey vs. 4x4 Exodus was a RIVALRY!!
Mighty Crown and Bass odyssey sold ALOT of tickets! I agree there was not a back and forth but it was the closest we got to a modern day rivalry. People came out to see them warr!
Chin I would argue that one of the things that killed rivalries were trophies. We need to get back to the days where not every clash is a trophy clash with judged rounds... Because if you loose a clash "officially" you might be wary of hurting your brand a second time...but if you have room for debate about who won then you have a reason to buck up next week/month whatever...until the hype reach high enough that a trophy clash keep.
I love your thinking iyah ! Great comment ! However, during the World Clash Series great rivalries were created while trophies were being won. I respect your point and I will talk about it further in one of my future episodes.
It will never go back to the old days. Very sad but very glad I got to experience the golden era!! No disrespect to Matterhorn or Linx but those 2 did more damage to the culture by transcending the sound game. Having 1 foot in and 1 foot out gave us a watered down product. Also I don’t know how or why but when the 45 was replaced by the computer it felt different to me. But I’m glad I got to experience World clash, Biltmore ballroom, Q club , Jamrock and even Q45… Some of the biggest clash ever and we can’t leave out the juggling sounds. Road international comes to mind. Man I hate that I can’t go to Vp or original records to pick up cassette anymore. Final statement, let the sound system be sound system and let the artist be artist, can’t be dutty wine on Thursday and sound killer on Friday. Oh before I forget, what ever happened to Adonai , the sound of the future?? A good sound that disappeared…..
Technology changes and also the business changed ,if Links did not transcend to producing, Uptown Mondays, Juggling dances and Matterhorn to artist, and just stick to clashing they would be broke right now
That bass odyssey / Bodyguard Clash in new jersey is one for the books
Yesss!!!you hit the nail on the spot,I've been saying this,the lack of "Rivalries"...too much segregation with the clash sounds and juggling sounds everybody ah friends and what soundmon dem nowadays don't realize is that the veteran soundmon dem was friends but when it comes to soundclash arena it's just warr friendship dash weh..nowadays soundmon want to friend up other soundmon to know what's in their dub box and also if ah soundmon has certain dead artists in there dub box soundmon don't want to clash them..everybody wants to win nowadays nobody wants to lose!! You have to lose to win the lack of bravery with this new generation of soundclash is very Heeediot,and also there no more traveling to studio too studio to cut dubs and bill vibes with artists too much call and order like ah chicken&fries soundmon is dealing with,and I can go on&on cho! Respect Chin Great Topic tho.
The mere fact that in 2022 we still talking about BO, Jaro n Addies.....thats what's helping kill Soundclash
This series wicked some valid points..but how can rivalry build when no clash keep?? Rivalry is there but the sounds are not clashing for all the other reasons you have mentioned price for dubs and over charging promoters
Rivalry the way I see it can and should start in juggling dances where one selector throw word at another selector and build momentum for a clash/clashes. Perfect example would be Notorious (little shabba) and Chris Dymond, they had a online squabble last year but I don't know why that didn't result in a clash
Clash God!We do appreciate you mann love how you tell it how it is ..
I can remember, it was long side dances that helped sparked big clashes. Going to a dance for example spectrum and LP would be juggling then that popped off lead to a major clash, but they build up the hype by keeping more juggling dances. at any given time if LP was on a bill spectrum would pop up drop two tune and vice versa. I think sounds need more juggling dates to bring in the crowd and draw in the younger generation.
When Squingy said he was the Michael Jordan of sound clash and it dosen't get any better. He was not lying. When he died so did the sound clash fraternity.
Been saying this for the longest time, rivalry brings excitement 💯💯💯
Sound like a mighty crown comes out once in a blue moon fi a world clash
Good argument for the case of why the enthusiasm isn't their no more...
Chin 100% right about nowadays sounds too afraid to lose.
Sound clash in the UK died in the late 80s, Saxon, Coxson, Unity, Shaka and other sounds just seem to shut down one after another. At the same time warehouse and acid house was growing in 1988, and some say it was these new scenes that killed it off, plus there were new laws about party and gathering. I've still got a few Downbeat/Saxon tapes still.
There is still rivalry but it’s rivalry that was built from back in the day. For example if a promoter put on a clash today between Addies vs Jaro it would sell off.
If someone put on Trooper vs Links today it would sell off.
If someone put on Rodigan vs Waggy Tee today it would sell off.
If someone were to put on Addies vs LP today it would sell off.
However the sad fact is that no promoter can financially afford to put on any of these clashes due to the ridiculous prices these sounds are charging.
I know several promoters tried to put on a 25th anniversary Rodigan vs Waggy Tee clash a few years ago. Some of them even offered almost crazy money but they still refused. From what I heard one of them wanted even more money which was *truly* crazy but ain’t no promoter in the world paying that. So it’s probably a get out clause for some of these sounds to get out of clashes. Which is the tactic that Saxon started after their 94 World Clash win where they would intentionally out price themselves just to get out of clashing.
Big up Chin for never being afraid to talk the truth.
Mr Chin respect to you and your long time work and commitment.
Simple: each sound team should be regulated as a division such as Heavyweight, Middleweight etc each sound should work towards a title clash, each contender are valued as depending where they are in a sound system league, for example Ricky Trooper #1 should be paid $18000 Trooper always pull in the crowd and sell tickets by consistent & representation, sound system winner should pay towards promotion $2000 other sound should pay $1000 to promotion to keep the gate prices real for the people
Mighty Crown ! point how can average sound cut customs to clash these sounds ? it reach a point where only a few sounds could keep up with these rich sounds , we need them to go back to the fun !! bragging rights ! ! lack of rivalry is one but the fun is missing , it's all about buisness !
When a clash gwan now the world know about it instanly Facebook live ppv and audio downloads
Love this video very informative excellent job ❤👍👍👍👍👍👍
The internet killed sound clash... too much access... I remember in the Bahamas waiting to get cassette tape... listen to it till it drag.... smt
I have never heard you guys talk about, Lee's unlimited, and they were the original Buju Banton Sound and was the first sound to kill Bass Odyssey in St.Ann
They was also the first to cut Buju and Bounty combination
Nothing don't kill anything,either it evolve or suffer a painful death in the transition of it's demise
From my perspective as a likkle ute inna the business that doesn’t clash but loves the war arena a think the decline stems from what chin said in ep.1 sounds over charging, nobody nuh wah clash cause the fraid fi lose and a next issue is some sounds don’t have war heads on most of these sound it’s just jugglers put some jugglers in the war arena they can’t necessarily perform and The audience is a next problem most 20 something year olds not turning out for clashes cause the “hot sounds” and the “hot selectas” that are rocking these juggling events are not venturing into the war arena and this is why code red is breaking the mould as a “ young sound” with a “young mc and young mixer “ and turn the business on its head. Now and code red is developing a rivalry with odessey and trooper
Agree with all your points but one. Jugglers can clash...they can't clash the same way as a war head, but ya win clash by winning the crowd, not by imitating the past. Dem a de ones that can bring forth the new styles to keep clash relevant.
@@DJDMass same way not every juggler wants to play di same riddim, heard code red vs trooper and the remix hip hop dubs beat him and the style of juggling killed him by3rd round
I still think dub plates is high for new sounds to start and if you put a sound outside police going to shut it down fast even indoors they going to shut it down let's face it big money not running like the 80 and 90 times hard
FACTS...💯
No filter clash in the Golden Era was fueled by drug money. That was just one way of dons to showoff on one another. Artistes knew the soundowners and selectors. Nowadays artist do not know or respect these sounds
If I'm a sound owner ain't know way I'm spending $1000 on a dub that the artist can't change the lyrics and/or put it on a different riddim, that means I'm overpaying $999.01 for a 45. If I'm to clash three times a year and I think I need 4 of the new hot songs. That's $4000 and if I tell the promoter $7000 it makes no sense. I would rather Juggle 45's to kill and bring younger crowds in the venues and
sound clash is a cultural event, it nuh dead it just slow down in some circles. maybe saturated in some countries till the people get bored. some a the clash dem a cussing match. maybe the big sounds on their ego trips get tired, dem was in it for the wrong reason. who love it still do it just for the love just like in the old days because dem love music..
Personality focused!
No rivals = no competition
Love these conversation nuff respect chin
Now a days selectors too arrogant and fraid to loose..and whats funny all the rivals were friends . sounds weh a fly and wah war with their area sounds. Start a rivalry in your area then bring it outa road
Irish and chin also played a part in the decline of sound clash
Don’t get me wrong they did a lot of good things too, eg reaching out other sounds from other nations and making it a global thing
But for the me the more sounds partake in a clash the more it gets watered down
Microwave clashes I prefer to clash them were the downfall
The only way is go back to basics, authentic clash from back in the days
These days too many rules, let’s get to basics
Just my thoughts
Point taken! Ask yourself this thou... How far do you think the original format would have taken the industry. World Clash started in 98. It got globally popular in 99. Would the original format last from say.... 1995 until today ?? World Clash worked because the stand up around sound thing was dying. It's easy to blame me, but my format entertained clash fans around the World for over 2 decades. If you do the math... the dub-plate & 45 sound clash era (sounds clash without artists) began during the later half of the 80's. The popularity of the stand up around your sound dub plate era started to fade before the year 2000. The microwave era, as you call it.... was in full swing by the year 2000 and peaked between 2018 - 2020. How come the microwave era ( that destroyed the industry) last longer than the golden period you are referring ? No disrespect but please explain with facts NOT opinions
@@garfieldbourne2448 respect for your response and trust me no disrespect meant at all,
I believe original format would have worked up until today,
You got clashing onto the global scale but with that it brought new rules to the clash arena which I believe helped in the demise of clashing thing
You promoted a lot of clashes in your time but people will always talk about the king addies and Kilamanjaro clash, which I believe used to old format but it is still clash thats talked about the most
You did a lot of good work too, taking clash to higher heights, and we enjoyed your clashes , so its not a blame game but merely expressing my opinion
My point in short is we need to get back to basics
I THINK IT'S TIME TO SLOW IT DOWN AGAIN, JUGGLING STYLE CLASH LIKE IN RORY DAYS. JUST SAYING 🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
First thing stop calling it sound clash cause no sounds are clashing call it laptop clash or pioneer clash cause dem no have no sound
Sound clash died when they began having judges
It became a bull fest and very one sounds the same. Same antics, a lot screaming meaning same type of style. It becomes flat ect…….
All facts, that’s why Rory will always be a legend. People forget that clashes used to be about who played the better music and had the vibe, not the screaming and abuse.
Chin right as rain bout rivalry. Problem now is to create rivals and a platform for them to compete. With the internet and live streaming, I'm not sure if the profits have gone up for the promoters because technically there is no limit as to how many people can watch (and pay) for a live event. I think more advertisements and promotion of PREVIOUS clashes need to happen as I find it hard to find recent clashes and I'm searching for it! What about a casual fan who happen to stumble upon a clash and start love it?? The market need to increase. Both from a sound system level as well as a promoter level. My two cents....
The last good rivalry was Supersonic vs Mighty Crown, how come that series did not go back to Japan, US or Jamaica.
the dub plates are very expensive these days ! but a lot of sounds not clashing but they still cut a lot of current dubs ! Irish & Chin start back world clash series ask the artist and the sound systems owners to come on board , artist & sound owners must understand that we trying to build back our culture so the prices must reasonable across the board !
Suggestion! Make a rule, saying that no need to cut New dub plates for that Sound Clash they are competing in! Use what you have in your box 📦 and 45s!! Especially since the Dub plates being cut since the early 2000s don’t have any Longevity!! Dub plates cut from the 1970s - early 2000s have more $taying power!!
The Domino effect starts and end with artist price.....how can a sound afford to clash weekly with today's artist price...
A REGULAR PROMOTER CAN'T AFFORD THREE SOUNDS FOR A CLASH ANYMORE, THAT ONE REASON
Few things destroy sound clash...Crazy dub prices is one of em' but then again if you can't afford this hobby don't bother get into it. Sounds wanting more then their original value is a next ting...And Yes Lack of Rivalry is a huge contribution to the state of the clash business today.
It’s Simple,, Style Make Fights!!! Promoters Should Pair Sounds That Are Equally Matched. Were Any Sound Can Win. You Will See A Better Fight.
And some of uno might not agree but hip hop music played a part to.. member one time when not everybody had a tv or phone.. so only word of mouth or cassette would be your passport and that’s how you fly out.. now every man have phone internet to the value of things drop like crazy.. hip hop music make everybody feel like dem ah star and it take away from the culture.. before hip hop really hit yard only people who fly out knew what’s really going on.. when the artist start to fly out and see da world they start to look for this big ole contract and big money then the love of the music went.. once it that happen every man tun star and clash start take a turn.. once clashes star die out in yard then it start die out slowly every where else
Sound clash not dead bro, sound clash is competition, competition can’t die it’s a natural order of life. As long there are sound system there will be competition
B.O. VS B.G. Bingo hall Paterson nj was great for 8- 70 minutes cd’s was also ambush by links when he gamed squingy and mark into playing foundation tunes to beat them or at least share the honors on the night….not the last time he did it…lol
But remember clash was hot before Covid lots of clash was going on even in Canada so things change because of Covid don’t forget that and Covid rise a lot of sounds that we never heard of
I feel as if the judging of the rounds/clashes is a big part of it as well.. before the judged clashes you would listen to an audio four five times because it wasn’t really decided.. it was opinion of who like what.. so it made for the Rivalry’s to go on.. judged rounds took away the excitement and the debates.. that’s just one part
Facts 💯
I don’t agree with chin one bit. And my reason is I am a sound clash fan and I use to play music as well I bought records and I cut dubz, Sound system is a business and not a hobby, u can’t be running a business at a lost even if u are getting paid to clash. Some local so called big artist is charging 500-1500USD for a special. Now if u have a clash coming up and u charge $5000. Where would u get the money to cut those dubz. Thirdly. There’s is not sound loyalty from artist anymore which change the game a lot because artist now a days don’t see a great need for the sound systems. Because of the availability of social media and the easy access to promote their own music 🎼
Also chin the music it self has change which in my
Opinion is not even reggae or dancehall music. These dubz are not even worth cutting. They have no substance or stability. So u can’t jsut say it’s the sound man them alone. If a promoter hire a sound it’s the promoters job to promote their business and make the efforts to draw crowd
When was the last time u ever see a give always in a sound clash. To make it attractive for patrons Chin is just talking as a promoter as only seeing it from his point
No disrespect but you gotta understand the culture to arguing certain points. Sound clash culture has "NEVER" been ran as a business in regards to dub cutting. There are sound systems sitting around with dub boxes that value 2million USD! Ask them how much they made off of their investment! I will answer for them... NOTHING! Buying music, cutting a few dubs, and playing at a few parties is a different world than where we are coming from bredda. Your dubs are apart of your equipment needed to do your job. Promoters should not have to pay for that! you don't give the promoter your dubs after the event is over!!!! Sound MUST charge what they can pull!! pulling power is the name of the game!!! fuck dubs cost! if you cut $10,000 USD worth of dubs and you cant pull 10 people how does that help the industry or the promoter ?????????
@@garfieldbourne2448 yea me Bredda I totally agree. But I have heard over years many people including chin when his world clash was on top and been support. I he made statements how that music has evolved and we need changed and new blood. So how can we expect sounds to continue playing base on culture with expenses that are higher than one can imagine. It’s not gonna happen
Yuh help mash it up wid yuh microwave clash dem an yuh favoritism, one bag a referee an 10 10 minutes round
Let’s talk about death before dishonour 2007 in pier one Jamaica with silver star. A lot of controversy with their elimination
Agree 💯
Well I said this in my 10 reason clash dead
Add Laptops 💻 and the regurgitated chatter,,
There are no new artists out there to continue di clash ting, wah yu ago du when Marcia and ken an all di ol artists dem dead off, we just have to rimanis about the good ol days when Bass Odyssey kill Jaro or when Might Crown kill Mattahorn
Bro everything is dead it would not get back to normal cause the charging prices are crazy and it’s fools that gonna pay those ridiculous price sound man are charging
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Nowadays sounds are too afraid to clash. In the days if you weren't there you had to wait for the cassette to come out, then pray that you find it or someone who you can run it off from. Today the audio is out the same night. No time to build up anticipation of what happened. Plus with the internet you get to see everybody's comments and thoughts on your performance. That is hurting a lot of egos..
No comments sir!
No mention of 4x4 and what about when sqingy buss up addies by himself ???
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Dancehall kill sound clash, Without dancehall there will be no clash, DANCEHALL IS SELF EXPLANATORY, WHERE MEN And WOMEN EMBRACE and dance,The BEGINNING OF THE DOWN FALL OF DANCEHALL, Bringing cameras into the dance as a permanent fixture CREATED The bag of Modeling inna dancehall, at that point men was on this side and women that side, THE SILVER BULLET WAS MAKING DANCEHALL A CIRCUS, A BAG A FISH DID A DANCE UP IN the club and they became the focal point. And 99.99% of male dancers were FEMININE a bag of BATTYMAN, ono can gwan like its not true, this subject is like how white people threat the subject of race.. Many know the truth but don't want to offend those, man and woman that condone battyboy and girl, Dancehall was sweet, me as a 15 year old just touch down NY, Biltmore, Club La Best,Tilden, starlight, Africa House, callaloo, qclub, Yesclub, Jamrock, Upper deck, Club Liguanea jamaica ave, warehouse, Moments Elmont long Island.
Because the dj is not a sound is just a man and a laptop
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One of the thing that kill dance hall is the excessive talking, them talk more than how them play music, the s u Mada business also have no place in music, we should have approach the thing intelligently, now European is taking over the business, sad...
Chin your sound mighty crown do the same thing after them 1st win they were running from clash too
Jaro and Blackkat clashed regularly but it was one sided. Jaro dominated BK throughout the years.
If you kill the root of a tree, it's sure to die. Sound system culture has been under attack from the Jamaican Government for years now. It was expected. Without venues to play a sound system, no real talents will rise. And if that is not fixed soon.......
Yah chat all dat effry an a yuh same one when a likkle soun a try buss yuh wah dem play fi free a ur dance, yuh is a sound system pirate a yuh bob Marley dem a talk bout
Because bounty killa Beenie became friends all reivery done
Respect Chin I hear your take on the derailement of sound clashes in the world. However I also think that you help derailed the clash arena when you stop keeping the World Clashes in Jamaica. Each and every Easter Mondays we Jamaicans were always looking forward to that Compition and there was no other clashes in Jamdown that brought out so much patrons both males and females as well and not even Usain Bolt got so much horns of aprasials as these sound systems and there selectors, both old and new. I rememberd one year when Silver Star from westmoreland had all the Dinasours worried, then there was this year that Black Blunt as a new sound on the World Clash scean was very Impressive as well and lets not forget that it was same World Clash that saw Mighty Crown becoming a sound to be reconed with. It brought out the best of BassOdyssey, Black Kat, Mighty Crown, David Rodigan, Tony Matterhorn etc.
And as for Rivalry I must agree that it helps to keep the great in the world of fame weather it be Juggling or clashing. Remember some of the most competitive Jugglings of all time " Road Star / Inner City One for One. Inner City /Gemini, Stone Love / Metro Media, / Gemini, / Jam Rock, / Renaissance / Travellers etc. While the most dangerous Clashing machines were sounds Such as Body Guard, BassOdyssey, Black Kat, KillamanJaro, Silver Hawk, 4x4 Exodus, Super Dee, Pieces, Turbo Phonic just to name a few from the past all these Sound system played a part of the Clash Industry nuff respect to these and others sounds and selectors whom have contributed in some form...
.Bless up yuhself Chin ! Peace out......
Turn it off when he said bass odyssey and mighty clown a rivalry,nogga wat,
Not enough clashes
Chin so far you’re hitting all the key points the rivalry and frequent competition was vital I think the last two rivalries are Matterhorn and links and bass odyssey and king addies those 4 took it all over the world and the competition was epic the mighty crown bass odyssey was a short and sweet one compared to the others I mentioned
Sound clash rivalry is a natural thing you cannot force or manufacture rivalry.
Chin says it's a couple of years now there has been no rivalry. Where have you been chin it's corona time 🤣🤣🤣
Good conversation but it sounds like you're lobbying for sounds and selectors to create rivalry to keep your venture of doing sound clashes going. Have you given thought that just maybe sound clash has run it course and people are looking at new forms of entertainment.
LOL ! when was the last time Irish and Chin held a clash ? My point ?! Sound clash is not what fuels the Irish and Chin group of companies
Sounds a slap down each other since the mid 1950s...Tom The Great Sebastian, Count Smith, Sir Nick The Champ, Vee's Rocket, Duke Reid, Sir Coxone's Downbeat to name a few.
Respect for the reply, point taken. Maybe a different approach to rebrand and revamp the sound clash culture should be taken to keep it relevant.
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