That cost is why I was always thrilled to just make the show with Comp Cams super dirt and get a top 10 or 15 with my 3 year old car, 7k engine, 2 sets of multiple race used tires, non adjustable shocks, and just me, my dad, and 1 or 2 helpers. But now they let shocks and aero get so out of hand that I don’t think that would be very possible these days.
You always have fresh ideas that interest me. I think you do an extraordinary job putting your stories together and thankfully you keep your content pretty consistent time wise.
The cost is why we only have 30 or so super lates left in central pa. Central pa tracks have gone all in on 410s and turned their backs on support divisions other than wing things..
Justin I played tire changer late Friday night in a dimly-lit Conoco gas station parking lot. And after a mere two hours I was on my way again with all fingers and toes attached. But I think I will be sticking with my software career for now.
To me, he sort of has a point with the 5k and 7k to win purses. When I first started going to dirt races (July 8th, 2000 at Tazewell Speedway) it was a Southern All-Stars show for 5k to win. That was a regional series, not even a major national and things certainly cost more now than they did then.
Just wondering what’s there saying about Macri as the 71 was a no show for Saturday nights race plus it was mentioned that there were lots of rumors floating around the pits Saturday night , Shatz looked real bad all three nights , just so sad to see Donnie run like that and don’t believe it’s Donnie’s fault!
LOVE the content on the super late models. I knew it was extremely expensive but I think a million is actually low because if teams are starting out,they have to get a toter home and trailer plus gas and maintenance for it plus insurance for not just the toter homes but gas and tires in case of a blowout. Plus extra parts and whole engines!! It's truly ridiculous not including the crew at home and the crew that travels with the race car. It truly adds up quickly but it's so worth it. DIRT TRACK RACING is the BEST SPORT ON THE PLANET ESPECIALLY SUPER LATE MODEL'S 🏁🏆🏁💞🤗💞🙏
This is why I think we need less $50-100k to win races that pay 2k to start. More $30k to win races that are 5k to start would make for a much healthier sport and the fields....WOULD BE THE SAME ...THE CROWDS....WOULD BE THE SAME
my estimate is in line with yours. However i wonder how these teams can afford new haulers quite often. have seen many rigs for sale lately for 700,000 plus. this would be a good topic. thank you for being here for we fans.
In the grand scheme of things super late model team owners are like weekly racers in the sense they do it because they love racing and do it for fun knowing they won’t make money. Maybe break even some nights. They just have more money to play with.
It's only a matter of time before it runs its course, dirt racing doesn't get the big tv deals and the big corporations looking to sponsor teams soon car counts will drop
What it boils down to and i love these cars and still in my head i want one but the sky high costs of the cars themselves topped with the costs per night to run them are what is killing them. Im here in western ohio and you dont hardly see any late mods, its all super stocks and modifieds. The average joe that used to be able to afford a late mod is dropping classes so they can actually afford to race
Justin, do you have contacts/info to discuss the costs of operating at a more entry level? Since these cost videos are quite interesting, it could be interesting to look at the prices for more... "attainable" equipment/programs. Sort of on that note, one thing I've been curious about is the buying/operating costs of a 305 sprint vs a crate sprint vs a limited sprint like the Pacific Northwest runs, and why it seems some areas stick with one of those over the others even when nearby areas run a different formula.
This is what happens when a very small number of people are doing it for a living mixed in with a large number of people doing this as a hobby. The math doesn't math for the professional people, at least in their own mind. The truth is the fans would be just as happy to watch the top drivers race each other in 20 year old Rayburns with 20k engines
sounds about right i was thinking a roller cost was closer to 75,000 to 120,000 depending upon which chassis you went with. with alot of teams being at a loss as far as winnings go how are they coming out on there taxes is alot of it just a tax rightoff for the owner and do they come out ahead due to taxes ive never understood that i know racing like hobby stocks is considered a hobby and is a write off does the same go for these big race teams if so does that not mean they come out ahead come tax season ?
IMO quite few drivers and teams this offseason are gonna crunch the numbers at the end of the season and say we can no longer afford to race and its not feasible anymore!
They should have a weekend where the rules get loosened quite a bit but they allow full open tire rule. I think it's be insane to see some big time guys go to tracks they been to and shatter records or at least match 410 sprint records.
Yep you need about 500,000 a year in expenses and if you finish outside the top 3 your losing money 💰 most all dirt late model car owners are losing money ever weekend.
I thought they said they was going to keep racing down no u-dub somebody just need to quit running your car on the track and they'll do 12 things close the track or lower the prices
On the later model racing yer you can do it on the cheap but when team spend lots of money on engines and better equipment you not got a chance to pick up win and title that get you money to keep racing
Nobody ever mentions that if you research the car owners and research alot of the sponsors on there cars you will see that they own those companies and racing is a huge tax rideoff for those companies
That’s the thing. Rick Hendricks once said. “ how do you make a million dollars racing? You start with 2million”. That certainly rings true. Of course he is the exception, it is a mind boggling amount that it costs to race.
How many of these guys race would be racing without RUclips revenue? Like the HTF crew. Is their RUclips bread that lucrative? One million/year to run a car? And that doesn't even include salaries.
I'm actually surprised a team like Viper who hasn't had a good year at all with decent sponsorship will break even on operating expenses. Dirt racing is probably the only form of motorsport left where the teams can make good money if they consistently run up front and have good sponsorship. None of the NASCAR teams are profitable. Hendrick Motorsports even loses money. Jeff Gordon said they haven't been profitable in years.
@@lancejohnson5748 Yep, you do have to run up front for sure. But I'm just surprised with as bad a year Viper has had they're actually pretty close to breaking even (on operating expenses) with just their race earnings. They've barely run the top 10 this year. All the NASCAR teams came out last year and said they haven't turned a profit in many years. You can probably run a top dirt late model operation on 10% (maybe even less) of the annual budget of a NASCAR Truck team. National DLM and WoO Sprint Cars are the best bang for your buck for motorsports team owners.
@@kyleolson279 I have always owned my own stuff in drag race and dirt late model with very little help for sponsor money or at the shop but I don’t get to race a lot got to do a lot of my own work but now it’s out of hand for the blue collar worker . Everyone buys the tech now and if your not spending a lot with the right chassis builders and engine builders your push out of the game .
HTF needs to rethink Drive Off. When is the last time they have come back to the pits, with 3 bald tires? Until they put on fresh stickers, and blow the left rear because of running it past the cords, they won’t figure out Drive Off. They need to let Jorden take over the setups. Young man reminds me of Rumly.
That cost is why I was always thrilled to just make the show with Comp Cams super dirt and get a top 10 or 15 with my 3 year old car, 7k engine, 2 sets of multiple race used tires, non adjustable shocks, and just me, my dad, and 1 or 2 helpers. But now they let shocks and aero get so out of hand that I don’t think that would be very possible these days.
You always have fresh ideas that interest me. I think you do an extraordinary job putting your stories together and thankfully you keep your content pretty consistent time wise.
The cost is why we only have 30 or so super lates left in central pa. Central pa tracks have gone all in on 410s and turned their backs on support divisions other than wing things..
Justin I played tire changer late Friday night in a dimly-lit Conoco gas station parking lot. And after a mere two hours I was on my way again with all fingers and toes attached. But I think I will be sticking with my software career for now.
Just makes Clauson's 200 races in a season goal that much more amazing. And he would have made it if not for the tragedy.
Great reporting enjoy your commentary, on the late model cost. Keep doing what you are doing it is first class!!
Congrats Dave Darlin on a great career. 👍
Thanks Justin!
To me, he sort of has a point with the 5k and 7k to win purses. When I first started going to dirt races (July 8th, 2000 at Tazewell Speedway) it was a Southern All-Stars show for 5k to win. That was a regional series, not even a major national and things certainly cost more now than they did then.
Just wondering what’s there saying about Macri as the 71 was a no show for Saturday nights race plus it was mentioned that there were lots of rumors floating around the pits Saturday night , Shatz looked real bad all three nights , just so sad to see Donnie run like that and don’t believe it’s Donnie’s fault!
LOVE the content on the super late models. I knew it was extremely expensive but I think a million is actually low because if teams are starting out,they have to get a toter home and trailer plus gas and maintenance for it plus insurance for not just the toter homes but gas and tires in case of a blowout. Plus extra parts and whole engines!! It's truly ridiculous not including the crew at home and the crew that travels with the race car. It truly adds up quickly but it's so worth it. DIRT TRACK RACING is the BEST SPORT ON THE PLANET ESPECIALLY SUPER LATE MODEL'S 🏁🏆🏁💞🤗💞🙏
Thanks Justin great video buddy
This is why I think we need less $50-100k to win races that pay 2k to start. More $30k to win races that are 5k to start would make for a much healthier sport and the fields....WOULD BE THE SAME
...THE CROWDS....WOULD BE THE SAME
You’re Killing me Smalls.
Love the shirt.
Blackjack Brian Brown won $62,000 to b xact there was $2,000 added to the purse just b4 the 50 Lap A-Main Feature Race Event of the TUSKY "50"
No one has ever been passed more and won.
my estimate is in line with yours. However i wonder how these teams can afford new haulers quite often. have seen many rigs for sale lately for 700,000 plus. this would be a good topic. thank you for being here for we fans.
I’ve heard that the waiting list for s and s toters is so long teams can sell their nice used rigs for a good chunk of change. That’s probably why.
Great show!
In the grand scheme of things super late model team owners are like weekly racers in the sense they do it because they love racing and do it for fun knowing they won’t make money. Maybe break even some nights. They just have more money to play with.
It's only a matter of time before it runs its course, dirt racing doesn't get the big tv deals and the big corporations looking to sponsor teams soon car counts will drop
What shocked me was the costs were lower than I thought they would be. The days of racing like we did using your pay check are almost long gone.
What it boils down to and i love these cars and still in my head i want one but the sky high costs of the cars themselves topped with the costs per night to run them are what is killing them. Im here in western ohio and you dont hardly see any late mods, its all super stocks and modifieds. The average joe that used to be able to afford a late mod is dropping classes so they can actually afford to race
Justin, do you have contacts/info to discuss the costs of operating at a more entry level? Since these cost videos are quite interesting, it could be interesting to look at the prices for more... "attainable" equipment/programs.
Sort of on that note, one thing I've been curious about is the buying/operating costs of a 305 sprint vs a crate sprint vs a limited sprint like the Pacific Northwest runs, and why it seems some areas stick with one of those over the others even when nearby areas run a different formula.
Here in Canada you can easily find a late model for around 8k to 14k cad
This is what happens when a very small number of people are doing it for a living mixed in with a large number of people doing this as a hobby. The math doesn't math for the professional people, at least in their own mind. The truth is the fans would be just as happy to watch the top drivers race each other in 20 year old Rayburns with 20k engines
sounds about right i was thinking a roller cost was closer to 75,000 to 120,000 depending upon which chassis you went with. with alot of teams being at a loss as far as winnings go how are they coming out on there taxes is alot of it just a tax rightoff for the owner and do they come out ahead due to taxes ive never understood that i know racing like hobby stocks is considered a hobby and is a write off does the same go for these big race teams if so does that not mean they come out ahead come tax season ?
IMO quite few drivers and teams this offseason are gonna crunch the numbers at the end of the season and say we can no longer afford to race and its not feasible anymore!
How does the cost per team effected by having 2 teams in sprint cars?
I've been thinking about how Grant has just been so much faster than everyone in just about everything!!!
They should have a weekend where the rules get loosened quite a bit but they allow full open tire rule. I think it's be insane to see some big time guys go to tracks they been to and shatter records or at least match 410 sprint records.
Yep you need about 500,000 a year in expenses and if you finish outside the top 3 your losing money 💰 most all dirt late model car owners are losing money ever weekend.
I thought they said they was going to keep racing down no u-dub somebody just need to quit running your car on the track and they'll do 12 things close the track or lower the prices
On the later model racing yer you can do it on the cheap but when team spend lots of money on engines and better equipment you not got a chance to pick up win and title that get you money to keep racing
Hard to believe that sprint car video was almost a year ago...
Right? Time flies...
Nobody ever mentions that if you research the car owners and research alot of the sponsors on there cars you will see that they own those companies and racing is a huge tax rideoff for those companies
And always have a trucking company sponsor so they can riteoff the hauler aswell
in racing after so many years you have to show a profit or the IRS says it is a hobby
@@mikejones2830 Toters are tagged RV's
@@mikejones2830 The hauler is a write off for the race team. They use the trucking companies for the fuel discounts at large truck stops.
@@clemzahrobsky2137 or an addiction! Lol
Imagine being so rich you can burn 800,000k a year on a racecar.
That’s the thing. Rick Hendricks once said. “ how do you make a million dollars racing? You start with 2million”.
That certainly rings true. Of course he is the exception, it is a mind boggling amount that it costs to race.
It’s a big tax write off. For most if not all big racing teams
@@laps8316 interesting. I've never considered that before
HTF!!
How many of these guys race would be racing without RUclips revenue? Like the HTF crew. Is their RUclips bread that lucrative? One million/year to run a car? And that doesn't even include salaries.
I'm actually surprised a team like Viper who hasn't had a good year at all with decent sponsorship will break even on operating expenses. Dirt racing is probably the only form of motorsport left where the teams can make good money if they consistently run up front and have good sponsorship. None of the NASCAR teams are profitable. Hendrick Motorsports even loses money. Jeff Gordon said they haven't been profitable in years.
If you can't make a profit, then find another job or business.
Jeff Gordon is still earning a paycheck. Let me know when he takes a pay cut for the longevity of the team.
Better run in the top 3 ever race
@@lancejohnson5748 Yep, you do have to run up front for sure. But I'm just surprised with as bad a year Viper has had they're actually pretty close to breaking even (on operating expenses) with just their race earnings. They've barely run the top 10 this year. All the NASCAR teams came out last year and said they haven't turned a profit in many years. You can probably run a top dirt late model operation on 10% (maybe even less) of the annual budget of a NASCAR Truck team. National DLM and WoO Sprint Cars are the best bang for your buck for motorsports team owners.
@@kyleolson279 I have always owned my own stuff in drag race and dirt late model with very little help for sponsor money or at the shop but I don’t get to race a lot got to do a lot of my own work but now it’s out of hand for the blue collar worker . Everyone buys the tech now and if your not spending a lot with the right chassis builders and engine builders your push out of the game .
HTF needs to rethink Drive Off. When is the last time they have come back to the pits, with 3 bald tires? Until they put on fresh stickers, and blow the left rear because of running it past the cords, they won’t figure out Drive Off. They need to let Jorden take over the setups. Young man reminds me of Rumly.
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