Balance of Terror was my favourite episode of all the TOS. As an episode it was a homage to "Run Silent, Run Deep". Now we have a homage to the homage! Brilliant.
I think maybe you mean "The enemy below" (Robert Mitchum and Kurt Jurgens, 1957). Great capital ship - submarine battle. Another commenter pointed that out. Sometimes, it is up on RUclips to watch -- a classic.
@@davidahlstrom7533 Yes, you're quite right. Curd Jurgens and Bob Mitchum, both of them were quite brilliant in this. Earning mutual respect, as did Kirk and Mark Lenard's Romulan. Mark Lenard was a great actor and a coup for TOS. Later of course, Spock's dad, as well as Urko in the tv series Planet of the Apes. Although personally, I enjoyed that, it's probably best left forgotten. But, if you did want to watch it, I think they're available here on YT.
No matter how bad things get, never forget that there are currently three Captain Kirks alive right now and if you count Jimmy Bennett, 4 James T Kirks.
The actor is still a strange choice for Kirk though. He's too restrained of a person. His Vampire Diaries co-star Ian Somerhalder, would have comparatively have been a better fit for Kirk - although he's a bit too extreme in a different direction.
I'm like.... is this a remake? What's happening here? I might pass on this series, feels like I've seen it already, and it seems impossible that this and Balance of Terror could both happen in the same universe...
@@AnHourOfWolves This is a glimpse into an alternate timeline in which Pike avoided his future, this episode depicts the events of Balance of Terror in that timeline and shows why Pike cannot change his destiny unless he dooms the galaxy. SPOILER ALERT if you click Read More The outcome of this timeline is that Spock dies during the battle, and therefore his future as an ambassador and reunifier of Vulcans and Romulans from TNG and Discovery Season 3 cannot happen. An alternate Pike from the future (who we see in a variant of the Wrath of Khan uniform) travels back to when the change is made by using one of those Discovery Klingon time crystals and shows our Pike these events, convincing him that his fate from TOS must always happen.
Im sure other have said it elsewhere but spock pronounced it 'sense'-'oars' was to cover the possibility of his native bostonian accent from coming through
@@rockmanx00777 this is in an alternate reality where Captain Pike never left the Enterprise and Kirk never became Captain and became Captain of the Farragut instead.
Pike is a phenomenal character in SNW, but this episode shows that sometimes we are not the best person for the job. Even though we believe we are. Him being there and inflexible to changing times ensured the Romulan War would take root.
Incorrect, this takes place in an alternate version of the TOS episode "Balance of Terror" Which takes place 7 years after the beginning of SNW. In both this alternate version of Balance of Terror and the original Spock bears the sleeve stripes indicating a rank of Commander. He was promoted to Captain prior to the events of The Motion Picture.
I may be the only one who noticed this but when this Spock speaks, the voice track sounds very much like Leonard Nimoy is doing a voiceover of Spock in this Star Trek. Very unusual way to bring Spock to the forefront of the scenes. He sounds just like TOS Spock. Unnerving but it makes this Spock almost on par with the original.
@James Cheddar which shows how committed he is to the role, similar to how for Obi-Wan Kenobi, Hayden watched all of Clone Wars and worked to merge his version of Anakin and Clone Wars Anakin together, so there's some points like when he says "That's why you're going to lose" his voice sounds similar to Matt Lanter. It's little touches actors bring to the characters that I appreciate and shows how committed to the role they are
There's another clip from the episode where Spock is talking to Pike, and I noticed that Spock sounds much more like his TOS self there, too. They're conveying that Spock, in the intervening time (between the series normal era and this 'future') has continued to purge/suppress his human half, becoming more the Spock we know from TOS. It's subtle, but strong, characterization.
I find it hilariously eerie that my dad and I just watched the TOS version of the episode with Shatner’s Kirk in Pike’s place and now I’m seeing this scene…. Gotta love a good algorithm
So now they establish that Kirk commanded the Farragut before the Constitution class Enterprise. Just as Captain Picard commanded the Stargazer prior to the Enterprise-D.
@@rosiestewart2862in the Discovery short about "Tribbles" that captain was actually a Lt. Commander who was given command of her ship. Kirk's command may have been like that.
She also, I think, supposed to be a minor foil for Pike’s pacifism. To help highlight the difference between Pike’s pacifism and Kirk’s shoot-first-ask-questions-later attitude that the show suggests actually prevented the war.
I loved this episode. They only thing they got wrong was the ranks. Erika is wearing the same uniform as it was shown in the Balance of Terror. Her rank shows her as Lieutenant Commander, yet Pike calls her Lieutenant.
@@Jman7133 their gold in Quality of Mercy. But the rest of the season they match their shirt colour. Obvious changes the ranking display further on down the line.
@@chrissmart21 Right but if you look at their sleeves stripes in the regular timeline, everybody is wearing lieutenant Commander except for Una I think.
@@Jman7133 in the normal timeline the same ranking stripes are different to the Quality of Mercy versions. A stripe and a half means Lieutenant in Pike’s time where as the gold stripe and a half means Lieutenant Commander in Kirk’s time. And in the episode they were in Kirk’s time.
@@chrissmart21 except that wouldn't leave room for LCDR. Pike is still wearing the TOS era Captain stripes (2 thick with a thin in the middle) and Una is wearing two thick (which is for a CDR). We know LCDR exists at that point because several DISCO officers held that rank. So if one thick and one thin is a LT, there's no room for LCDR.
I think it is a homage to keep these classic characters going. Sense there is only 3 original trek actors alive and their in there early 90's. I am looking at this differently. This is more keeping the characters relevant for today's young people. Who didn't grow up on these characters in 1966.
This is an alternate future where that incident didn't happen. At the end he returns to the "present" (I guess past, but for us future, but the present of the show.. Confusing enough for you?). Anyways the show is 10 years before that happens meaning if each season is 1 year apart as is typical for shows, they can squeeze 10 seasons easy enough if they wanted
@@sailorman9403 I fell out at episode 4, only saw this and was wondering , why does balance of terror have Pike as captain :) Really like the actor , but I feel like Pike is too reactive, not assertive enough.
@@muthpeterpatrik The episode is a "what if". If I'm correct Pike was trying to change the circumstances of his accident in the present. An alternative Pike visited him and showed him the Balance of Terror scenario. Spoiler: This scenario gets Spock killed. I think the objective is if Pike changes his fate, someone else will have a dark fate.
Am I wrong or did they just remake "Balance of Terror" even reusing dialogue? I'm all for references so first I want to say this is so cool! But how does it fit in the timeline if TOS has a story basically like this? Is this an alternate timeline? FYI I have not seen the show yet, so I may be missing something.
I'm a bit torn on this one. For one, it's an interesting "what if" scenario, and from a casual glance it appears to be a competent Star Trek series for once that put's it's story and creative integrity first and center, as it should. So that's that. On the other hand though - really? Yet another prequel, in yet another distinct timeline? What used to be so great about Star Trek was it's depth. This was in no short part achieved through it's continuity across multiple series. And we don't have that anymore. Every new movie and every new series feels like a standalone; it's entertaining in the moment, but it doesn't add to the whole. And that feels kind of empty.
Not exactly. Light is affected by gravity so if the ship still affects gravity it would just barely affect the path of light where it is causing a lensing effect
since mitchell is a stand in for sulu ortegas has to be a stand in for styles. this would mean in this timeline sulu would still be a astrophysicist on the ship and styles is in phaser control ?
@@paulbeaney4901 In the original TOS episode set around this timeline the conclusion was made by a Lieutenant Styles and eventually Kirk told him to leave his bigotry in his quarters.
But Balance of Terror shows that attacking them was the right answer, Kirk relentlessly pursues and defeats the Romulans and avoids total war by showing the Federation is not weak.
TOS used a different warp scale, Sometime after the NX-2000 tests they adjusted the scale to the TNG version that we all know if i remember correctly. Since while the "transwarp" on NX-2000 Failed, parts of the tech significantly improved normal warp technology.
This was an interesting episode, and shows a nice "what if" scenario, of how the evens of TOS episode "Balance of Terror" would have turned out differently with Pike still in command of the _Enterprise._ But there are two fundamental flaws with the episode. The first is, there is _no way_ the Federation ships would be obligated to meekly await Starfleet permission to respond to an attack that has killed Federation personnel, and destroyed Federation outposts. It would like a cop, being shot at by an armed suspect whom he has just seen commit a murder, having to cower behind his patrol car and radio for his supervisor's permission to return fire. It's stupid. The second problem is that Pike spends the whole episode looking to negotiate a solution, criticizing Kirk for being too hotheaded because Kirk wants to fight them. This too is stupid. Again, the Romulans, crossed the neutral zone in defiance of treaty, launched a totally unprovoked attack, killed Federation personnel, and destroyed Federation outposts guarding said neutral zone. The time for negotiation is passed. The Romulans have committed an act of war, and are aggressively probing Federation defenses, _in Federation territory._ Wanting to negotiate would be like wanting to negotiate with the Japanese on the afternoon of Dec. 7, 1941, after the attack on Pearl Harbor.
The way I see this, Pike is rattled after remembering what his fate is going to be. Kind of like the TNG episode Tapestry, his decision to avert his fate has led to him being overly cautious. This worked for him when he was averting his horrible fate, but now that he's passed it, he's lost the ability to act quickly and decisively that a starship captain needs. It's less that Captain Pike couldn't have handled this situation as well as Kirk did, it's that the Captain Pike who decides to take the safe road is incapable of doing so.
So you've been led to believe, but on the bridge of this Farragut, behind Captain Kirk, is a view/schematic view (from the front) of the Farragut. Showing warp pods slung under the saucer on curved pylons. That can't be a Constitution class vessel.
I would like to steer the audience away from the narrative that the Federation represents good and the Romulans are bad. The Enterprise gets called by the commander of one of at least 8 outpost that got hit by an unknown weapon while their deflector shields at maximum and still penetrating it...for me this sounds like an arms race (that also includes of being able to cloak a vessel and it's counter measurement to still be able, even not seeing it, to track it's Field of gravity). The commander also mentioned that it happened so fast...this sounds more the like romulans are operating close to their own borders or within (what the Federation creatively refers to as the neutral Zone) cross reference this with the remote location of the Enterprise and Farragut (operating out of area at maximum distance from their borders). Then the audience is presented with the visuals of the outpost which obviously looks heartbreaking which at the same time is the intend... Captain Pike cares to ask about the wellbeing of the commanders son. The way the scenery is presented reminds me of war propaganda. The Commander also mentioned the composition or armor of the outpost...a mile deep, almost solid iron (who knows maybe even reenforced) and think for minute about it...there are at least eight more of these "official" outposts. I would call them armed fortifications close to the borders of the Romulans! To close it out Captain Kirk comes up with the idea to shadow this unidentified vessel, because if they enter the neutral Zone it could be read as an act of war or as I would put it a military build up (symbolic for shadowing) close to the borders of Romulan terrain...
The only criticism I could make of this episode is how they were able to view the destruction of the base from the base's camera after the base was completely destroyed. Other than that, fantastic new series.
This Pike, at approximately 1:13, is not the real Pike that was played by the late Mr Jeffrey Hunter. This is a reboot version of Captain Pike that I dislike very much. Please post only positive comments over here. ™
If I remember. Kirk was only acting captain of the Farragut after Captsin Garrovick and half the crew were killed by the Dikronium Cloud Creature: if thst's still the case in this timeline, surely he wasn't up to playing wargames.
Following that incident it would seem Kirks command was confirmed but since Pike never transferred, no space opened up on a Consitution so he remained in command of the Farragut, probably number 1 on the transfer list for a Constituion when a position opened
I like the show, but I never understood Uhura being on there or how the junior officers seem to have an "ok" to almost talk back or "tell" the captain what he should be doing or feel free to talk around him, like here in a captain-to-captain dialogue.
You should definitely check it out. Its what would happen if pike doesn’t get exploded and put in the chair. And this is a alternate world and how pike has to let happen what happens to him or it will mess everything up.
But its still a great homage to The Enemy Below and Run Silence Run Deep. Two great ww2 movies. Many younger trek fans dont know about these two movies and their newer counterpoint from Trek... Just saying to give credit where credit is due.... Just my 2 cent Good luck
1:451:46 it looks like Balance of Terror And Hanson sounds like he in space but in The Original Series Hanson just screamed out I like The Original Series and Strange New Worlds.
The original Pike, Jeffrey Hunter, had dark hair. Although I like this Christopher Pike alot, and he has about the same build as Hunter, I wonder why they changed his hair color.
To be fair, his hair is noticably darker when he first appeared in Discovery (which itself was set a few years after 'The Cage'). Leadership positions tend to age people, and given what Pike's seen I'm not surprised his hair is going white.
@@imranbecks even The Cage was set in 2254, while SNW season 1 was in 2258/59. Like I said, people age, even without timeline shenanigans. But yeah, he's got good hair.
This is Kirk without the "speed promoting" and actually earning his captain's command through experience rather than by-the-seat-of-his-pants. It's the Kirk our grandparents/parents watched growing up.
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Balance of Terror was my favourite episode of all the TOS. As an episode it was a homage to "Run Silent, Run Deep". Now we have a homage to the homage! Brilliant.
My favourite episode also, but I believe it was closely based on the movie called "The Enermy Below" starring Robert Mitchum and Curt Jürgens.
I think maybe you mean "The enemy below" (Robert Mitchum and Kurt Jurgens, 1957). Great capital ship - submarine battle. Another commenter pointed that out. Sometimes, it is up on RUclips to watch -- a classic.
@@davidahlstrom7533 Yes, you're quite right. Curd Jurgens and Bob Mitchum, both of them were quite brilliant in this. Earning mutual respect, as did Kirk and Mark Lenard's Romulan. Mark Lenard was a great actor and a coup for TOS. Later of course, Spock's dad, as well as Urko in the tv series Planet of the Apes. Although personally, I enjoyed that, it's probably best left forgotten. But, if you did want to watch it, I think they're available here on YT.
No matter how bad things get, never forget that there are currently three Captain Kirks alive right now and if you count Jimmy Bennett, 4 James T Kirks.
That's a really good point
Star Trek No Way Home ?
@@francescozenocchini4428 Love it!
There's also the guy from Star Trek Continues. It's not canon but certainly worth it to be! :)
How do. Please explain?
I loved the way the episode kept playing the TOS theme whenever Kirk appeared. It really helped get the character across!
Yeah because without that and without saying he is supposed to be Kirk, no one would ever notice. He has nothing from Kirk.
@@schnubbel76 I mean I would've preferred them get Chris Pine for this scene but it's alright
The actor is still a strange choice for Kirk though. He's too restrained of a person. His Vampire Diaries co-star Ian Somerhalder, would have comparatively have been a better fit for Kirk - although he's a bit too extreme in a different direction.
Very poor production of a classic
If that’s what you need to accomplish that, I call it a problem, not an asset.
Goes to show how well-written "Balance of Terror" was that you don't need to change a word of it.
I'm like.... is this a remake? What's happening here? I might pass on this series, feels like I've seen it already, and it seems impossible that this and Balance of Terror could both happen in the same universe...
@@AnHourOfWolves This is a glimpse into an alternate timeline in which Pike avoided his future, this episode depicts the events of Balance of Terror in that timeline and shows why Pike cannot change his destiny unless he dooms the galaxy. SPOILER ALERT if you click Read More
The outcome of this timeline is that Spock dies during the battle, and therefore his future as an ambassador and reunifier of Vulcans and Romulans from TNG and Discovery Season 3 cannot happen. An alternate Pike from the future (who we see in a variant of the Wrath of Khan uniform) travels back to when the change is made by using one of those Discovery Klingon time crystals and shows our Pike these events, convincing him that his fate from TOS must always happen.
@@AnHourOfWolves Do NOT pass on this series. I'm an ancient Trekkie, it's the only series that carries the real life and joy of TOS. Do NOT miss it.
@@drxshock6957 Wow, that is pretty cool, thanks for the context! I'll definitely check it out.
@@SB_McCollum Nice, I'll give it a try then, thanks!
Watching this show after struggling through Discovery, man, it's so refreshing. I can't wait for a new season.
Gotta say the ship's barbershop must always be busy, there's some sharp cuts here on board, Anson Mount's quiff and sideburns are on point!!!!😂😂😂
they use a Flowbe.
@@AlexanderNixonArtHistory 😬 the suck cut from Wayne's World!!!
It sucks as it cuts,
And it certainly sucks°°
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It’s sucking my will to live!!!
- Garth of Algar
Compare Mount's hair here to his Cullen Bohanon in Hell on Wheels!
i love how ethan acts spock similarly to how leonard did. pronouncing sensors with a solid o
This spock is his own person but it was good to see the attempts at keeping mannerism and other bits of character continuity.
Im sure other have said it elsewhere but spock pronounced it 'sense'-'oars' was to cover the possibility of his native bostonian accent from coming through
@@alivecoy 'i am Spock' Good book.
He's definitely believable as Spock but we all know Leonard Nimoy was never at any known time, the X.
VERY Well Written!! Kirk was VERY "Chaotic Good to Pike's Lawful Good"
Well, there is a reason why even in Pike's Starfleet file he is called "Boy Scout" 🤣
Closer to Neutral Good... Laws and regulations are fine... but exceptions must be made.
When Uhura says “Their Captain, James Kirk.” And the music starts playing I seriously welled up.
indeed. same here .
I thought he was not a captain yet.
@@rockmanx00777 this is in an alternate reality where Captain Pike never left the Enterprise and Kirk never became Captain and became Captain of the Farragut instead.
Lol. Me too !!
You almost CRIED because a make believe show mentioned a make believe character that you like? Hilarious. 😂
As Spock said in TOS , you cant let them reach home. It would show us as weak and give the Romulans in their mind a reason to invade.
I think that was in reference to the Gorn ship, correct?
Pike is a phenomenal character in SNW, but this episode shows that sometimes we are not the best person for the job. Even though we believe we are. Him being there and inflexible to changing times ensured the Romulan War would take root.
For those that have seen the TOS Episode "Balance of Terror", that is the point being portrayed.
The helmsman needs to be reeled in.
Agreed. She's the helmsman. Not the tactical officer. But there always has to be someone...to play a "Worf".
Grrrrrrrl power 🤮
Well, Spoke broke the Romulan technology in 2 minutes. He needs a promotion...
This is just brilliant to see this episode again. First time I was 4 years old.
So that means in the year or less since this episode was released, you are now 5 years old?
@@Harkeilla LOL
Noticed Kirk called Spock “Commander”. In this time period Spock is still a lieutenant. In the TOS series he is Lt. Commander until the movies.
Incorrect, this takes place in an alternate version of the TOS episode "Balance of Terror" Which takes place 7 years after the beginning of SNW.
In both this alternate version of Balance of Terror and the original Spock bears the sleeve stripes indicating a rank of Commander. He was promoted to Captain prior to the events of The Motion Picture.
Is it me, or does the actor who plays Kirk look like a young Jim Carey?
@JaredJanhsen Exactly, Spock was a Commander under Kirk and second in command.
I may be the only one who noticed this but when this Spock speaks, the voice track sounds very much like Leonard Nimoy is doing a voiceover of Spock in this Star Trek. Very unusual way to bring Spock to the forefront of the scenes. He sounds just like TOS Spock. Unnerving but it makes this Spock almost on par with the original.
@James Cheddar which shows how committed he is to the role, similar to how for Obi-Wan Kenobi, Hayden watched all of Clone Wars and worked to merge his version of Anakin and Clone Wars Anakin together, so there's some points like when he says "That's why you're going to lose" his voice sounds similar to Matt Lanter.
It's little touches actors bring to the characters that I appreciate and shows how committed to the role they are
There's another clip from the episode where Spock is talking to Pike, and I noticed that Spock sounds much more like his TOS self there, too. They're conveying that Spock, in the intervening time (between the series normal era and this 'future') has continued to purge/suppress his human half, becoming more the Spock we know from TOS. It's subtle, but strong, characterization.
I find it hilariously eerie that my dad and I just watched the TOS version of the episode with Shatner’s Kirk in Pike’s place and now I’m seeing this scene…. Gotta love a good algorithm
Google be watching and listening
He does a good job as a newly promoted Kirk commanding his first starship. Maybe season 2 will show him maturing into command?
So Kirk is now captain . Yet in season 2 he sings if I make captain , it will be all thanks to you .
So now they establish that Kirk commanded the Farragut before the Constitution class Enterprise. Just as Captain Picard commanded the Stargazer prior to the Enterprise-D.
@@rosiestewart2862 wasnt that an alternate timeline where he was Captain of Farragut?
@@rosiestewart2862in the Discovery short about "Tribbles" that captain was actually a Lt. Commander who was given command of her ship. Kirk's command may have been like that.
That lady officer is insubordinate. Interrupted Pike on a Captain to Captain call. Holy smokes!
She was supposed to be like Styles in the original episode.
Agreed she's a crummy character. With a mannish haircut no less
She also, I think, supposed to be a minor foil for Pike’s pacifism. To help highlight the difference between Pike’s pacifism and Kirk’s shoot-first-ask-questions-later attitude that the show suggests actually prevented the war.
She’s obnoxious.
She is a turd
I loved this episode. They only thing they got wrong was the ranks. Erika is wearing the same uniform as it was shown in the Balance of Terror. Her rank shows her as Lieutenant Commander, yet Pike calls her Lieutenant.
That's a costuming error that's been talked about I think - *everyone* is wearing Lieutenant Commander for some reason in S1.
@@Jman7133 their gold in Quality of Mercy. But the rest of the season they match their shirt colour. Obvious changes the ranking display further on down the line.
@@chrissmart21 Right but if you look at their sleeves stripes in the regular timeline, everybody is wearing lieutenant Commander except for Una I think.
@@Jman7133 in the normal timeline the same ranking stripes are different to the Quality of Mercy versions. A stripe and a half means Lieutenant in Pike’s time where as the gold stripe and a half means Lieutenant Commander in Kirk’s time. And in the episode they were in Kirk’s time.
@@chrissmart21 except that wouldn't leave room for LCDR. Pike is still wearing the TOS era Captain stripes (2 thick with a thin in the middle) and Una is wearing two thick (which is for a CDR). We know LCDR exists at that point because several DISCO officers held that rank. So if one thick and one thin is a LT, there's no room for LCDR.
They could have let this show run for years before putting Pike in the wheelchair
I think it is a homage to keep these classic characters going. Sense there is only 3 original trek actors alive and their in there early 90's.
I am looking at this differently. This is more keeping the characters relevant for today's young people. Who didn't grow up on these characters in 1966.
Considering this series is set TEN YEARS before the original series, that is not long enough for you?
At least10 years of 22 episodes per season
10 to be exact
This is an alternate future where that incident didn't happen. At the end he returns to the "present" (I guess past, but for us future, but the present of the show.. Confusing enough for you?).
Anyways the show is 10 years before that happens meaning if each season is 1 year apart as is typical for shows, they can squeeze 10 seasons easy enough if they wanted
I have to say I appreciate the closeup eye lighting, TOS kirk-style.
Love how the beginning of this is a homage to the TOS episode "The Balance of Terror"!
The entire episode is an hommage to balance of terror
@@satyagrahaa Not exactly an homage but a retelling. This is the story of balance of terror if Pike remained in command of the enterprise.
@@sailorman9403 I fell out at episode 4, only saw this and was wondering , why does balance of terror have Pike as captain :)
Really like the actor , but I feel like Pike is too reactive, not assertive enough.
@@muthpeterpatrik The episode is a "what if". If I'm correct Pike was trying to change the circumstances of his accident in the present. An alternative Pike visited him and showed him the Balance of Terror scenario. Spoiler: This scenario gets Spock killed. I think the objective is if Pike changes his fate, someone else will have a dark fate.
@@sailorman9403 Thank you for the information!
This is almost a one to one shot for TOS: Balance of Terror.
Its weird and cool how this actor for Kirk looks and acts like a mix between both Shatner's Kirk and Pine's Kirk.
1:45 are you f****ing kidding me? That is the most comical effect I have seen outside of Birdemic.
The Kirk actor echos facial features of the original. His energy also echos him.
They really did that ... 👁👄👁
Romulans were using cloaking devices 100 years prior to this, according to ST: Enterprise
Am I wrong or did they just remake "Balance of Terror" even reusing dialogue? I'm all for references so first I want to say this is so cool! But how does it fit in the timeline if TOS has a story basically like this? Is this an alternate timeline? FYI I have not seen the show yet, so I may be missing something.
I think you need to watch the episode for it to make 100% sense.
To make a long story short time travel happens
Well, this is the version of history if Pike didn't have his accident that put him in the wheelchair. Kind of justification for his accident.
I'm a bit torn on this one. For one, it's an interesting "what if" scenario, and from a casual glance it appears to be a competent Star Trek series for once that put's it's story and creative integrity first and center, as it should. So that's that.
On the other hand though - really? Yet another prequel, in yet another distinct timeline? What used to be so great about Star Trek was it's depth. This was in no short part achieved through it's continuity across multiple series. And we don't have that anymore. Every new movie and every new series feels like a standalone; it's entertaining in the moment, but it doesn't add to the whole. And that feels kind of empty.
@@gaiusbaltar8915We didn't need your thoughts on this.
"we can't see them but they can't see us" but we have plot armor and can magically track and shadow them
This guy plays a really good Kirk. Sure there will never be another Shatner but that doesn't mean you can't have others play the role and damn well.
Does every Starfleet human male captain that didn't need a hair transplant in that timeline get a pomade allowance at their pay grade?
I guess Pike is a Dapper Dan man
I see what you did there.@@johnp4008
"Micro lensing of background stars"
That means the cloak is constantly swirling around the ship. Like water being slowly poured over a ball?
Not exactly. Light is affected by gravity so if the ship still affects gravity it would just barely affect the path of light where it is causing a lensing effect
4:03 She needs to leave her bigotry in her quarters. There's no room for it on the bridge.
since mitchell is a stand in for sulu ortegas has to be a stand in for styles. this would mean in this timeline sulu would still be a astrophysicist on the ship and styles is in phaser control ?
What bigotry? There was evidence and she put it together.
@@paulbeaney4901 In the original TOS episode set around this timeline the conclusion was made by a Lieutenant Styles and eventually Kirk told him to leave his bigotry in his quarters.
Jingoism ≠ Bigotry
But Balance of Terror shows that attacking them was the right answer, Kirk relentlessly pursues and defeats the Romulans and avoids total war by showing the Federation is not weak.
I’m convinced the people complaining in the comments stumbled upon this clip without even seeing the episode and understanding the context.
I still cannot get used to Babyface-Spock and Psychoface-Kirk.
Look it's a different take on Kirk..I like it!
😂😂😂😂
We need a remake version of tos with the same energy as the old show but modern tech, this Episode proves its possible
Am I wrong, but I thought TOS ships capped out in the warp 5 range. Kirk said he did warp 9 to get there.
TOS used a different warp scale, Sometime after the NX-2000 tests they adjusted the scale to the TNG version that we all know if i remember correctly. Since while the "transwarp" on NX-2000 Failed, parts of the tech significantly improved normal warp technology.
@@mertyol cope
Warp 7, under the TNG scale. Enterprise broke past Warp 10 (old scale) on three occasions, if I remember correctly.
@@rcslyman8929 Three sounds right...
She reminds me of all the kids today they know better and hate that they are not in charge
This was an interesting episode, and shows a nice "what if" scenario, of how the evens of TOS episode "Balance of Terror" would have turned out differently with Pike still in command of the _Enterprise._ But there are two fundamental flaws with the episode. The first is, there is _no way_ the Federation ships would be obligated to meekly await Starfleet permission to respond to an attack that has killed Federation personnel, and destroyed Federation outposts. It would like a cop, being shot at by an armed suspect whom he has just seen commit a murder, having to cower behind his patrol car and radio for his supervisor's permission to return fire. It's stupid.
The second problem is that Pike spends the whole episode looking to negotiate a solution, criticizing Kirk for being too hotheaded because Kirk wants to fight them. This too is stupid. Again, the Romulans, crossed the neutral zone in defiance of treaty, launched a totally unprovoked attack, killed Federation personnel, and destroyed Federation outposts guarding said neutral zone. The time for negotiation is passed. The Romulans have committed an act of war, and are aggressively probing Federation defenses, _in Federation territory._ Wanting to negotiate would be like wanting to negotiate with the Japanese on the afternoon of Dec. 7, 1941, after the attack on Pearl Harbor.
The way I see this, Pike is rattled after remembering what his fate is going to be. Kind of like the TNG episode Tapestry, his decision to avert his fate has led to him being overly cautious.
This worked for him when he was averting his horrible fate, but now that he's passed it, he's lost the ability to act quickly and decisively that a starship captain needs. It's less that Captain Pike couldn't have handled this situation as well as Kirk did, it's that the Captain Pike who decides to take the safe road is incapable of doing so.
Well said.
The Farragut was also a Constitution class starship.
So you've been led to believe, but on the bridge of this Farragut, behind Captain Kirk, is a view/schematic view (from the front) of the Farragut. Showing warp pods slung under the saucer on curved pylons. That can't be a Constitution class vessel.
So… the very second they encounter their first cloak, Spock thinks of a way to penetrate it. Sure.
"It all happened so fast." Now, haven't I heard that before, huh? Malcolm McDowell? Soren? The Generations?
Like the Farragut. A nice middle ground light cruiser type.
William Shatner says Paul Wesley is doing a tremendous job portraying Kirk!! Also you can't compare the two because this Kirk is in a different time.
This was one of the best original Star Trek shows (The Balance of Terror, 1966). Not bad here but can't beat the original gravitas. Great episode.
I would like to steer the audience away from the narrative that the Federation represents good and the Romulans are bad. The Enterprise gets called by the commander of one of at least 8 outpost that got hit by an unknown weapon while their deflector shields at maximum and still penetrating it...for me this sounds like an arms race (that also includes of being able to cloak a vessel and it's counter measurement to still be able, even not seeing it, to track it's Field of gravity). The commander also mentioned that it happened so fast...this sounds more the like romulans are operating close to their own borders or within (what the Federation creatively refers to as the neutral Zone) cross reference this with the remote location of the Enterprise and Farragut (operating out of area at maximum distance from their borders). Then the audience is presented with the visuals of the outpost which obviously looks heartbreaking which at the same time is the intend... Captain Pike cares to ask about the wellbeing of the commanders son. The way the scenery is presented reminds me of war propaganda.
The Commander also mentioned the composition or armor of the outpost...a mile deep, almost solid iron (who knows maybe even reenforced) and think for minute about it...there are at least eight more of these "official" outposts. I would call them armed fortifications close to the borders of the Romulans! To close it out Captain Kirk comes up with the idea to shadow this unidentified vessel, because if they enter the neutral Zone it could be read as an act of war or as I would put it a military build up (symbolic for shadowing) close to the borders of Romulan terrain...
Obvious Romulan 5th columnist is obvious....
I appreciate the use of the original dialogue.
I am confused, I thought Kirk first ship was Enterprise, or was the JJ Abram’s film all out of time?
The only criticism I could make of this episode is how they were able to view the destruction of the base from the base's camera after the base was completely destroyed. Other than that, fantastic new series.
That’s how it was in the original episode though.
Guy running the video camera is immortal
Anyone else get a feeling of weird tension between our two captains? Like they're being all formal and polite, but secretly hate each other?
Warp 9 was not possible at this point in the story timeline.... correct me if wrong.
Correct, this show breaks lore and retcons th franchise at almost every turn. They didn't get Warp 9 till Star Trek the next generation.
@@azraiel1984 OOps
I was waiting for the kirk actor to pull out an apple , take out a bite and shoot a finger gun ala chris pine.
Gregory Pecks Grandson is Spock. He looks and sounds like him
Doesn't matter who they cast as Kirk, someone was gonna sht on him.
That bridge would give you a headache 🍻
Pike needs to get his subordinates in check
Pike? Pikey? Don't panic, Pikey.
This Pike, at approximately 1:13, is not the real Pike that was played by the late Mr Jeffrey Hunter. This is a reboot version of Captain Pike that I dislike very much.
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Hansen's death was a bit pants.... and why did they make Jim Carey Kirk?
Does pike know kirk is going to replace him? Because it looks like he does when he first sees jim on screen 😂
Shanter's Kirk was the warrior. Chris Pine's was the troublemaker. Which Kirk is this one?
Captain crunch
If I remember. Kirk was only acting captain of the Farragut after Captsin Garrovick and half the crew were killed by the Dikronium Cloud Creature: if thst's still the case in this timeline, surely he wasn't up to playing wargames.
Following that incident it would seem Kirks command was confirmed but since Pike never transferred, no space opened up on a Consitution so he remained in command of the Farragut, probably number 1 on the transfer list for a Constituion when a position opened
Great stuff.
When I first saw Kirk I absolutely hated their casting choice. But now he is warming up to me from the second season.
Taken from Balance of Terror, Season one. The episode, taken from Movie Enemy Below, with Robert Mitchum, and Curt Jurgens
Kirk is such a sacred character to the star trek world, he shouldn't be played by a rando in cameos.
Is it just me or is kirk almost looking like Stefan from the vampire diaries? 😂
The dude who played Kirk. What the Hell was that. I thought he did a terrible job.
@@smokelesschoice165 I didn’t watch that movie / series…. So idk how bad his acting was
I like the show, but I never understood Uhura being on there or how the junior officers seem to have an "ok" to almost talk back or "tell" the captain what he should be doing or feel free to talk around him, like here in a captain-to-captain dialogue.
I guess Jr officers feel free to challenge the captain's decisions. different time.
It is a reminiscence to the original dialog, where Styles and Sulu were challenging Kirk in almost the same way
So they remade "Balance of Terror"? I guess I need to go check it out.
You should definitely check it out. Its what would happen if pike doesn’t get exploded and put in the chair. And this is a alternate world and how pike has to let happen what happens to him or it will mess everything up.
so I did watch it and it was...pretty good.
Fascinating.
2 Kirks were enough they did the role justice keep it that way
There is only one James T. Kirk and that is the original played by William Shatner.
Was that fan made?
This is like Jim Carrey playing Kirk
I've not seen this series. This episode is a complete parallel to an STOS episode. Is SNW an alternate time-line series?
this episode is due to time travel fuckery that keeps Pike in the Captain's chair longer than he would have been
so the 2009 movie is not canon? Kirk and Spock were classmates in the 2009 movie.
Since when does a red shirt have so much to say? And why so damn emotional, disrespectful and demanding to a captain?
Love it. Kirk is the superior Captain. Debate
But its still a great homage to The Enemy Below and Run Silence Run Deep. Two great ww2 movies.
Many younger trek fans dont know about these two movies and their newer counterpoint from Trek...
Just saying to give credit where credit is due....
Just my 2 cent
Good luck
1:45 1:46 it looks like Balance of Terror And Hanson sounds like he in space but in The Original Series Hanson just screamed out I like The Original Series and Strange New Worlds.
So somebody help me out is this the James T Kirk the guy we always know and wasnt Spock a part of Kirks fleet or this just another Trek verse
no it's the original sequence of events...
This is from an original Star Trek episode.
Star Fleets Biggest Mistake ever was putting in a treaty to not develop cloaking technology while surrounded by other species who have that tech.
Well starfleet in Archer's time they don't have the time to create or the romulans didn't develop it back then.
Ehhhhhhhhh They pushed warp 9? That's a major cock-up considering ships of that era only travelled at warp 7.
Officer ManLez is grating
Does not follow the movies 2009 version where Pike and Kirk meet.
Pike was the pacifist who ignored Kirks warning to act and look what happened..
The generation of writer's who made the original Star Trek and NG are surly missed.
Getting permission to do anything. Reminds me of the vulga from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.
The original Pike, Jeffrey Hunter, had dark hair. Although I like this Christopher Pike alot, and he has about the same build as Hunter, I wonder why they changed his hair color.
To be fair, his hair is noticably darker when he first appeared in Discovery (which itself was set a few years after 'The Cage'). Leadership positions tend to age people, and given what Pike's seen I'm not surprised his hair is going white.
Because this episode takes place in an alternate future about ten years later. People age.
@@OptimusWombatNah, Pike's hair is still white even in the present timeline. Still the best looking hair in starfleet though 😅
@@imranbecks even The Cage was set in 2254, while SNW season 1 was in 2258/59. Like I said, people age, even without timeline shenanigans. But yeah, he's got good hair.
There is 0 doubt that Kirk was a better captain than Pike.
So, this is Kirk's new face.
This is Kirk without the "speed promoting" and actually earning his captain's command through experience rather than by-the-seat-of-his-pants.
It's the Kirk our grandparents/parents watched growing up.
This Kirks head is two times bigger than his body.
Still waiting for the 3rd season!!
They're filming it now! I'm hoping we get a fourth :)
The vid's title apparently promised to show how Dad's Army's Pike gets to encounter Star Trek's Captain Kirk.
It doesn't. I feel so cheated!...
Sorry. Was this in season 2?