I hated working on the knotters, but was very satisfying when you got all that hay in each year. My advice, burn the bailer down each year and get a new one.
I have wanted to see that for 40 years, I use to follow the bailer as a kid to keep bales from rolling down the hill before I was big enough to bale, I watched with amazement, it happens faster than a blink of an eye. Thanks for posting.
These knotters still amaze me. Could watch it continually ,hard to even comprehend the engeneering and thinking that have gone into the design of this mechanical wonderment at the time it was developed, and it is still in use with only a few minor improvements. Great video. Thank you for sharing it. Should help a lot of people understand the operation so adjustments or repairs to there equipment can be made.
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The thing that’s really interesting to me anyway, is when this was first invented it was done with a pencil on paper. No CAD no computer just an 8-5 guy with a peace of paper and a pencil. Engineer plans drawn, molds made, cast and machined with no computers. Today? Can’t make change.
Omputers have to be given instructions on how to make this slip knot and the mechanical pieces are drawn out on cad by a human using mathematics geometry now what is ur point again?
@@arthurdewith7608there where no computers when this was made none!! That’s my point! No cad, no computer, just paper. If you don’t understand or you think that cad capable computers have been around a 100 years you’ll never get the point. 🤷♂️
This video saved my hay crop today! I took a similar video of my JD468 non-knotting and found that the wiper was not pulling the knot from the billhook thing. I moved the wiper tighter against the back of the billhook and all is well. Thanks for posting this as this part of the mechanism is really hard to see.
Most of the time, it's always the wiper not doing its job perfectly. Ol mechanic once told me, grease the machine first, if that doesn't fix it, then make sure everything else is right.
Brings back a lot of memories tying crappy incomplete knots on dad's JD T14. It usually took tripping it a couple dozen times till the sisal twine polished the bill hooks enough so that it worked right. After that it was generally OK.
After farming for twenty five years I sure wish I could have seen this at the start it sure would have made my life easier trying to adjust knotters that I never really understood but finally seen how they actually work!!! Thanks
The didn't tie them. They mowed the field with a horse pulling a sickle mower. After it sat a bit to dry, you go over it with a rake, again pulled by the horse. The rake turns it over to dry evenly. Then you go over it with a wind row. It takes say a 12ft wide row, pulls all the hay into the middle so now it's a 30" row. After you have your rows made, you go by with a wagon and "the kids" fork it onto the wagon while it is loose. Get it back to the barn, and you have a pulley overhead outside the front door that you lift up the hay, and run it on a track to the back of the hay loft and fill it up. Usually you'll have a trap door in the floor so when you need to use it, you drop it down to the 1st level.
Well, the guy who invented it apparently saw his dog make a knot into a rope where its got caught in. He combined that shape with the way a sewing machine works.
I wish that I could of had this video about 1990. 30 years ago! I was working on a New Holland 285? baler that someone put together wrong! I had to fix it. Most everyone had round bakers then, with a lot of calls to dad, neither one of us had a bag phone yet. I got the knotter fixed, all 3 places back in time, making wheat straw bales perfectly. All done with out a manual, would have been a lot simpler and easier with a manual, or now an iPhone to look up information on. Hello from north east Montana!
It wasn't invented by John Deere or International Harvester, it was a chap called James Appleby, and to the best of my knowledge, Binders apart, New Holland were amongst the first to use this on their earliest balers. Prior to that, at least some balers had a person sit each side of the bale chamber to tie off the knots.
Oh God I'm having flashbacks to my custom baling days, I thought I was done with these damn things See that grabber thing? Its called a billhook, break a few and you'll see why there the stuff of nightmares
@Sour Brothers At full speed, the knot is tied in the time between strokes of the baler, which can be approx 80 strokes a minute for a small baler, and approx 48 for a large baler so the knot is tied in less than 1.3 seconds at full speed. Literally too fast to observe. I've tried when I've been trying to fix my baler........
It’s high time it was upgraded to some kind of sealed laser guided system it just doesn’t work as it is. A 1950’s design that has never been improved on.
You have absolutely no idea how much I appreciate this video, I have wondered how those knotters work since I was a kid.
Me too. When I was a kid I got tie some of the nails when the knoters would mess up.
Theres a video on this entire process on RUclips look up old allis baler knotters 2nd video down 11 minutes
Me too
I hated working on the knotters, but was very satisfying when you got all that hay in each year. My advice, burn the bailer down each year and get a new one.
I have wanted to see that for 40 years, I use to follow the bailer as a kid to keep bales from rolling down the hill before I was big enough to bale, I watched with amazement, it happens faster than a blink of an eye. Thanks for posting.
These knotters still amaze me. Could watch it continually ,hard to even comprehend the engeneering and thinking that have gone into the design of this mechanical wonderment at the time it was developed, and it is still in use with only a few minor improvements. Great video. Thank you for sharing it. Should help a lot of people understand the operation so adjustments or repairs to there equipment can be made.
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Mennonite New Holland Pennsylvania
The thing that’s really interesting to me anyway, is when this was first invented it was done with a pencil on paper. No CAD no computer just an 8-5 guy with a peace of paper and a pencil. Engineer plans drawn, molds made, cast and machined with no computers. Today? Can’t make change.
Omputers have to be given instructions on how to make this slip knot and the mechanical pieces are drawn out on cad by a human using mathematics geometry now what is ur point again?
@@arthurdewith7608there where no computers when this was made none!! That’s my point! No cad, no computer, just paper. If you don’t understand or you think that cad capable computers have been around a 100 years you’ll never get the point. 🤷♂️
@@86lowrider u do not need a computer just a helpful wife to turn the fly wheel
@@arthurdewith7608ok🤷♂️
This video saved my hay crop today! I took a similar video of my JD468 non-knotting and found that the wiper was not pulling the knot from the billhook thing. I moved the wiper tighter against the back of the billhook and all is well.
Thanks for posting this as this part of the mechanism is really hard to see.
Most of the time, it's always the wiper not doing its job perfectly. Ol mechanic once told me, grease the machine first, if that doesn't fix it, then make sure everything else is right.
Called a knife arm that wipes the billhook
Brings back a lot of memories tying crappy incomplete knots on dad's JD T14. It usually took tripping it a couple dozen times till the sisal twine polished the bill hooks enough so that it worked right. After that it was generally OK.
After farming for twenty five years I sure wish I could have seen this at the start it sure would have made my life easier trying to adjust knotters that I never really understood but finally seen how they actually work!!! Thanks
Ur wife turns the fly wheel by hand and u sit ther looking at the mechanics of the knitter and it all reveals itself
I got one that's so old this is actual speed.😬
Who th f@@k could sit down and design something like this? Genius!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Appleby_(inventor)
Mennonite in New Holland Pennsylvania
@@katadam2186 James Appleby
I'm a mechanical designer former farm boy. The genius that went into that mechanism is outstanding. All done in 2D on paper and a lot of imagination.
Watch your damn mouth
New Holland Pennsylvania
@@katadam2186this a krone baler which is a rip off of the Heston knotter
Thanks so much! This has been one of my life mysteries for many years.
Imagine the engineering that went into this machine because the farmers kids kept complaining their fingers were sore
You mean there fingers were cut off
No he meant THEIR fingers were sore
Ah yes I'm 16 and still have that problem
The didn't tie them. They mowed the field with a horse pulling a sickle mower. After it sat a bit to dry, you go over it with a rake, again pulled by the horse. The rake turns it over to dry evenly. Then you go over it with a wind row. It takes say a 12ft wide row, pulls all the hay into the middle so now it's a 30" row. After you have your rows made, you go by with a wagon and "the kids" fork it onto the wagon while it is loose. Get it back to the barn, and you have a pulley overhead outside the front door that you lift up the hay, and run it on a track to the back of the hay loft and fill it up. Usually you'll have a trap door in the floor so when you need to use it, you drop it down to the 1st level.
Well, the guy who invented it apparently saw his dog make a knot into a rope where its got caught in. He combined that shape with the way a sewing machine works.
I wish that I could of had this video about 1990. 30 years ago!
I was working on a New Holland 285? baler that someone put together wrong! I had to fix it. Most everyone had round bakers then, with a lot of calls to dad, neither one of us had a bag phone yet. I got the knotter fixed, all 3 places back in time, making wheat straw bales perfectly.
All done with out a manual, would have been a lot simpler and easier with a manual, or now an iPhone to look up information on.
Hello from north east Montana!
This is the kind of knotty video I enjoy!
Not the kind with dogs, right?
So complex but yet so simple! God bless our American farmer🇺🇸
These are the background sounds in every horror film
If the knoters didn't tie properly. I am afraid you would have a mess of bales in the field.
That's about 40 years old solution. Imagine how clever was the person who invented it. 👌
More like 140 years.
I love the slow motion sounds!
Square knot. Right over left and left over right. Cool video. Thanks for sharing
The coolest, ingenious technology ever made.
I wonder how Claas came up with this shit so long ago. I wouldn't know how to build such a thing
They were used on grain and corn binders long before Claas.
Such a simple knot used by many and taught early
Claas did not come up with the twine knotter, it was an American, James Appleby, who conceived it more than 100 years ago !
One of the only inventions to have not been re done. The all original deereing knotter still used on all new balers.
It wasn't invented by John Deere or International Harvester, it was a chap called James Appleby, and to the best of my knowledge, Binders apart, New Holland were amongst the first to use this on their earliest balers. Prior to that, at least some balers had a person sit each side of the bale chamber to tie off the knots.
We had a Case baler, and that machine knotted twine like a champ. We put up 3-4000 bales a year.
Pretty cool, thanks. Now i don't have to take one apart to see how it works 😂
Ran a 348 twine baler for years good baler
The knotter device was issued with patent No. 372140 in 1921, as the very first patent of Gebr. Claas.
Wow! More than 100 years ago
Oh God I'm having flashbacks to my custom baling days, I thought I was done with these damn things
See that grabber thing? Its called a billhook, break a few and you'll see why there the stuff of nightmares
I'm a Heston baler and swather mechanic billhooks are easy to change
DAM MECHANICAL GENIUSES! 🤯
Wow best slo mo video of knotting I’ve ever seen
Had my share walking behind 1 picking up loading stacking in a barn our barn every summer
And that's why I need new knees.
Нихуасе узелковязатель😱😱😂😂👍
Crazy how since the time of the first horse-drawn grain binders till today the action of the knotter hasn't changed one bit
I always wondered how it was done thanks.
Why does this sound like some old dungeon torture chamber?
Because it's a living hell tying your own knots on bales of hay! 😈
Just think all of this has to happen before that big heavy plunger comes back too. Stuff is amazing
I believe there is a clutch that the knotter trips that disengages the plunger while the knotter is engaged.
Sure don't want to get a nailer out of time .
Yay! For the small farm farmers.
Some guy layed awake so many nights at his house figuring out how to do this
Gotta love them Deeres.
My son is doing a presentation on baler maintenance. May we download your video for use in that project?
Esta muy vien nesitamos aprender del sistema
Wow that's amazing
So cool. Always wondered.
Cool design
And to think, nearly the exact same thing since the beginning.
That zerk fitting could use some grease. Still got paint all over it.
Snopo-wiązałka. Maszyna rolnicza do wiązania sznurkiem zboża w trakcie koszenia.
I just came in my overalls.
There's help for that nowadays ya know
The best 👍
John Appleby invented and patented the knotter in 1878 in Mazomanie, WI
Wow, makes me wish my baler actually tied the bales more often. We have days that every 6 bales doesn't get a string tied
So satisfying 👌🏼
Need to hit dem grease fittings man
That one that's In view has never been touched lol
Wow a machine that ties better than me
Nice baler john deer
It’s that the kobota?
So that’s how it ties a knot. I’ve been square baking for years n never really understood it
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What for a brand /type of baler is it?
Tanks for the answer
John Deere, 468 I think
@@goodrichfarms8795 468 is a round baler
@@baertschiideere I don't really know their balers, sorry
Did a few hundreds of those today
Tanto engranaje para hacer un nudo de Mecate ?
Lo puedes hacer con las manos sin tanta complicación 👌
I can only imagine what they went through to make this
Can you believe that👍
👌 And with real rope instead of nylon!!
Некое древнее существо пробудилось и колдует во тьме...
Why tf do people post slowmo videos without showing it again in real time?
You need to give a frame of reference...
People dont need to show it in real time quit being lazy and just look up a video of one 🤦
@@529alex are you dumb or just stupid?
@@sourbrothers73 huh
@Sour Brothers At full speed, the knot is tied in the time between strokes of the baler, which can be approx 80 strokes a minute for a small baler, and approx 48 for a large baler so the knot is tied in less than 1.3 seconds at full speed. Literally too fast to observe. I've tried when I've been trying to fix my baler........
Just play it at 10x
Tudo isso pra dar um nó?
W sipmie jest jeszcze maszyna losująca: zaiwąże czy nie zawiąże
СЫРНАЯ КОСИЧКА ШТОЛИ😀
Great engineering
Very nice videos
Didn’t seem slow mo to me, but really cool
Whoever patented it first probably a trillionaire by now!
Genius
This is soo cool! Thanks for the video!
Истертый клюв не всегда освобождает нить.
I watched this video at quarter speed.
Those engineers had to be on acid to design the square baler. So many functions
I can almost bet anything that is a John Deer. :) Or to be safe the color John Deer.
Must have been someone's nightmare until they realized it..
❤❤
International Harvester came up with the knotter.
And Claas improved it, so it functioned more reliably, even with uneven string.
The rabbit goes around the tree...
this is not slow mow this is cranking the flywheel and tripping the knotter 🙃😅
It's motion is still slow.
Thank you! Now I can die.
Think I have this same baler. 24T?
It’s high time it was upgraded to some kind of sealed laser guided system it just doesn’t work as it is. A 1950’s design that has never been improved on.
Was invented by a farmer in New Holland Pa.
Mor video of a 336 please!
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So it's knotted up inside... Yep it's stuck
Very nice sslv please
Could you film it in slow motion?
Cool
Nice
What about the double knot krone system
Watch it twice
All baler operators knows this look in the operators manual
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Damn wanted to see that my whole life
nice