To fly into the storm or not? Thats the question
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This is a short tale about a recent thunderstorm incident that happened to me as I was doing a 4 sector flying day. I wanted to share this incident with you guys so that you can learn from it if you ever find yourself in a similar situation.
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The point is that professionals are not afraid to say "no" and they know when to say "no". I hope all the pilots I fly with will be like you. Great Job. : )
Flying is not a place for dare devils Evil Knievel.
Makes me think of a pilot friend of mine that i asked of his scariest moments in his 30 years of flying and his answer was surprising. He said NEVER because he always followed the preflight checks and always kept away from bad weather.
I wish more pilots were as professional as you. I’ve flown with too many cowboy pilots who made very questionable decisions. One rule that matters is safety first period!
That reminds me of taxi drivers, i've seen them make some very reckless turns barely avoiding a wreck
Reminds me also, the other day my rickshaw driver damn near plowed into this little old lady's fruit market stand. Some of them are out of their minds!
Mentour is a captain and Captain Joe is a First Officer?
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Well said, I absolutely agree with you.
That was the best decision you could've made. I wish all pilots were like you.
You convinced me, I was planning to go to work today, but there's rain showing on my phone...so...I'll sleep in instead
Delightful comment! Made me laugh . . .
Great message - thanks for sharing. Not only is landing through a thunderstorm dangerous, the severe turbulence will frighten some passengers so badly, that it can turn them off flying in the future.
You do a good job of getting people to respect safety considerations; you make it look professional rather than prudish, bringing doing the right thing back in fashion. I really appreciate that.
The moral of the story: never take unnecessary risks. It is just not worth it. 20 or 30 min delay is not great but hey, you made sure it did not become an even bigger problem if something goes wrong and things break for example... And you did not scare your passengers!
Would you rather wait 30 mins. Or be responsible for the loss of human lives?
Remember Dallas. Flight 191.
@@EveryTipeOfVideo Depends on the human - kidding, of course. Human life is always valuable even if we don't see it.
Hello, captain! I'm not a pilot, just an aviation enthusiast, but the recommendations you gave in this video can by applied in many situations in life, not only flying. Congrats and greetings from Brazil!
Thank you! I am happy to hear that you think so.
Hey man, big fan from Brazil too
I agree, many of what Captain Mentour says can be applied outside of aviation :)
Exactly what I was going to say. Do not allow other peoples rhetoric interfere with your sound decision making process.
The Delta and Eastern flights that crashed due to wind shear followed directly behind another plane that landed safely. Just because another plane made it does not mean you will. Landing (or taking off) under or though a thunderstorm cell is crazy stupid.
Yes, my point exactly.
Was that in 1985?
If I recall, in the case of Delta 191, the person who was supposed to provide weather information was on an unscheduled break and the thunderstorm had formed very quickly. The crew of Delta 191 had no idea they were in weather they should have avoided until they saw lightning about 1000 feet from them. Putting all the blame on the crew isn't right when they had no advanced warning about the thunderstorm, especially given they requested to go around a different thunderstorm earlier in the flight that air traffic control didn't know about.
Yeah, yeah, but the point is this: pilots _do_ know now what is in front of them and they _do_ make terrible decisions, as Petter just described. I think we forget this when we focus on whether a person was right to blame a previous historical tragedy on this or that-it’s not the point. Don’t _make it the point._ Even if they had known about it, they might still have made the same decision like the pilot Petter is talking about, a pilot with the _same information he had._
Pulkovo 612 - horrific reconstruction if you watch it especially with CVR. The crew decided to fly through a squall line, and can be heard making fun of a Turkish Airlines flight that chose to divert, just 10 minutes before they lost control of their aircraft.
your story is common in many professions. whether military, government, or civil, it's an old saying: safety regulations and procedures are written in blood. good vid!
"There are old pilots and bold pilots. But there are no old bold pilots. "
You did the right thing! Always follow SOPs, and avoid situations very prone to fail. You are the leader in the A/C! The crew looks at you as an example, and looking carefully after them and asuring a safe OP is the best you can do
Luckily you chose wisely. Lots of air crash investigation episodes that concern landing crashes mention that the airplane before that "landed safely"
It looks like your pup put himself in a holding pattern before shooting a landing off the back of the couch. Smart pup!
Very wise decision, my friend. The PIREP was essentially worthless, as thunderstorms change from minute to minute, as you obviously know. As U.S. Air Force fighter pilots, we were prohibited from flying into thunderstorms unless we were in active combat. Enough said.
Very sound advice. No one will thank you if there's even one injury, not to mention fatalities, for taking unnecessary risks.
Thanks Captain. I admire your strength and wise decisions. PILOTS remember you have lives out there not Cargo. If you want to risk your live, the passengers I assure you do not want that.
You reminded me of one particularly unpleasant landing I experienced via a trans-Atlantic flight that came into Gatwick during a really nasty storm. For a little while, we, the passengers, were subjected to the equivalent of an E-ticket ride; were rudely tossed around with more than a few passengers getting sick. We all thought it was not all that vital that we make it to the gate on time considering the risks and the very rough ride down! After that ride, it was several years before I could talk my wife into flying again.
Yes, sometimes rough weather happens unfortunately and turbulence doesn’t need to be associated with storm-clouds. Heavy winds can cause similar turbulence without being dangerous, just uncomfortable.
As a passenger who is anxious at even minor turbulence, I thank you. Great advice. Can't believe the pilot ahead of you may have broken his airlines rules.
Mentour pup is very cute :)
Thumbs up for professionality! That is what makes me worried flying, what if this pilot is going to do the aproach he is not allowed to.
I've had to train van drivers for a summer camp, and I tell them: "If you were sitting at a deposition, which sentence would you want to utter: That's why I chose to slowdown/wait/not go. OR I chose to go anyway because I THOUGHT it would be okay."
This makes me think about a time I was going to board a flight from Las Vegas into Dallas. We were delayed leaving due to weather, and the pilot announced, before we even boarded that it was going to be REALLY rough at times. I was the only one who decided not to board. It was a hassle, I changed my itinerary to avoid the weather, ultimately flew direct to Chicago instead of Dallas to St. Louis, and had to coordinate getting my baggage from STL. But didn't regret avoiding that kind of stress.
I went to Beijing about six years ago. There was a horrible thunderstorm at the airport that our flight went through. The only flight in my life where I felt like I was on a roller coaster. After we had landed, we found out that only our flight had tried to go through the storm. No one was happy with the captain.
I've been on a flight that went right through a severe thunderstorm. We hit turbulence that was enough to cause stuff to float in the cabin for several seconds.Oh, I see what you did with the throw pillows. Nicely done! Thanks for the video. :)
Your pilots will never forget that, and I hope they never do!
Captain, thank you for eloquently & gently explaining STUPID. I am a retired air ambulance pilot of 10 years, we only had three crashes in the PC-12's & one Incident with the BE-20 for the guys who like to land in the red & purple rings of the "On Board Weather" all four cases involved winds in excess of 35 gusting to 50, some with heavy rain & lightning, a couple following airliners into midland TX & KABQ NM. no deaths, just damages to airplane & runway lights. We did have one King Air destroyed by hail after landing in KCOS. I prefer thunderstorm season over Winter. Look forward to more videos's. Tally Ho
‘Make defensible decisions regardless of pressure,’ is a good rule for life
For holding and not going through you kept passengers happy. Great story.
Excellent.
So many people are pressured into a hazardous situation, just to save a few minutes. I never regret having patience, but I always regret lack of patience.
Seriously, whoever keeps leaving thumbs down on Mentour Pilot’s videos, cut the crap! He is making videos to help people gain knowledge about aviation, and he also works a lot to support his family, which is a good thing. Please stop leaving thumbs down on honest, in depth videos that he makes. I understand that people have their own opinions, but if you have something rude to say, don’t waste Mentor Pilot’s time and keep it to yourself.
I think you exemplify the old saying "There are old pilots and there are bold pilots but there are no old bold pilots". It's good you had the courage to be your own man.
I wish all pilots took the care and consideration that you do.
I agree 1000% the safety of the passengers should be always be put first. Better late and never.
I am so glad that you are an instructor.
Totally agree 💯 Detour is better than disaster
In 1969 a Viscount took off from Sydney airport, between 2 thunderstorms. It disappeared from radar. A third cell had formed between the two thunderstorms and the wind shear exceeded the strength of the wing/fuselage attachment. It quite literally tore the wing off. Of course, 50 years ago aircraft and systems were by no means as advanced as they are now.
I've just started training as a conductor/guard on the railways (I stop at EGBB frequently) and on the first day my instructor made it very simple. When it comes to safety, if you have to ask the question, its instantly a no. It takes the decision away from you and maintains safety. Even though I've only been training a few weeks I've already been told I sometimes hold the train too long to ensure the platform is clear, when I point out its safety critical the arguments stop
Pilot in command, is pilot in command. You are responsible for what happens next. Better to be late than not late at all. Good video.
I totally agree with you captain. You have to avoid thunderstorms at ANY COST (fuel or time). Thumbs Up.
Good on you Mentour! Thanks for sharing..... clear skys and soft landings to you.
Love yr tutelage...👍👍cute dog!!
Ufff love thus puppy ..how calmy he is listening
Good call mentour. Very thoughtful; Cleary its your experience speaking for you.
Good airmanship is such a vast topic. Thanks for bringing this up!
I'm not a pilot I'm just a carpenter, but I enjoy aviation and I just found myself in something similar where the pilot informed us of turbulence on take off, then he announced that there will be a delay on take off for approximately 10 minutes instead, we took off after, no turbulence at all, thanks for your video.
A) Don't do it B) Don't do it
Brilliant! Thus is why I would love to be in the hands of a pilot like you when I go flying...
@Mentour Pilot - I haven't flown in over a decade, but I just found your channel and I appreciate you explaining these topics. I have always been afraid to fly, and these videos help me. Thanks captain!
Awesome advice for any level of pilot. Your never wrong by avoiding a storm. Great video!
Im no pilot, not by a long shot, but i do so love things relating to weather and flying. thank you for your interesting videos.
As a flight simming plot, I enjoy all your videos which help when flying a long haul flight in the 787 Dreamliner. Setting severe weather patterns involves care and your tips are constantly keeping me on my guard in these conditions.
Great video! Sound advice. Thank you.
Excellent video!! Thank you!!!
Thank you for your videos.
You are the best!! Great vídeo and thank you do it for us.
Thank YOU for watching!
Thanks for your wisdom Captian. Experience is the best teacher.
I don't comment often, but I found this video authentic and hopeful that all pilots watch and subscribe to your channel. Sound advice.
Safety is always paramount ALWAYS 😃
Thank you for being so responsible captain!!!!
Great video! I want to be a pilot and I’m sure your recommendations will be so valuable to me whenever I need to make a decision.
Thanks and please keep up the great work😎
Well said! I fly turboprop in Thailand, and right now do is it rainy season. That means lots of CB activity. Today did a line of TCUs and CBs block our path towards Bangkok. The shortest route was an open passage between two TCUs. As we got closer did that gap magically disappear. Cumulus clouds can grow very fast. We could have pressed on, because the clouds were still not CBs, but we would have experienced a lot of turbulence. So we opted for plan B: Fly around the weather. It cost us 20 minutes extra, but our passengers didn't arrive "shaken, not stirred".
This actually makes me a bit nervous. The other plane, imagine if you’re on that one, with pilots going against protocol and potentially exposing you to wind shear, microburst etc. Could you tell us what airline it was?
Great, mature and professional call. Be Safe!
Thanks for the video. Always good to hear another pilots perspective.
This video is absolutely, incredibly great.
Good for you.
good analysis , safety first always .
A smart and professional pilot you are. I aim to make such wise decisions and not bow to pressure both in life and when flying. Thank you for reinforcing that.
sorry. i didn't hear anything. i was looking at your lovely dog
lovely comment of the year.
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@Anifco67 you are that guy.
You just know when your dog is cute.
A family friend is starting flight lessons next week. I just forwarded this video to him for his future safety, his future crew's safety, and his future passengers safety. It is never too early to learn and execute proper judgment. Thank you.
Thank you!!! You are a real pilot.
Always enjoy your channel. I used to fly a lot before I retired and was an avionics tech during my stint in the military. Your story reminded me of the old joke: there are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but their are no old bold pilots.
I'm from the heart of Dixie Alley, which is the tornado belt in the Southeastern US. We know ALL about severe thunderstorms in this part of the country, and we know how quickly things can change with a severe t-storm. They can intensify suddenly, develop an unexpected downdraft or microburst -- they're nothing to play around with. I'm glad you took the cautious approach on that one. My sister was a passenger on a commuter jet and they landed during a severe t-storm in Gulfport, Miss. I don't know why they didn't divert or whatever, but she said it was the worst thing she'd ever experienced. They landed safely, but it was a hard landing and she said the turbulence was unreal.
Another great, informative video ✈️
My instructor Miles always told me, “if in doubt, leave it out”. Excellent advice.
This is greatness. Well reasoned.
Safety first. Good man!
Keeping our skies safe thank you
Best flight ever! 1996, Tampa, FL, USA to Phoenix, American West (took over by U.S. Airways, then merge with American) 757-200 over Texas in June, great views of thunder storms and a lot of steep banking and views of lighting (daytime flight) something everyone should see and never touched a cloud. * ALWAYS GET THE WINDOW SEAT* Is it just me or in the United States there may be only 3 or 4 domestic airlines in the next 20 years?
I like the new intro! Great video as always mentour. Greetings from Australia.
Very good my pilot once flew into a ice storm and i think we experienced wind shear and micro burst very terrible. He was not able to land and diverted but everyone was traumatized.
You are a hero if you don't try to approach than if you're trying to land at all costs. There are plenty of examples in aviation history that forced landing can be tragic. Keep up the good work captain!
I remember with hurricanes Irma and Maria, a Delta airlines pilot decided to take off and flew the plane right through hurricane Irma (category 5). Crazy man.
Great video Mentour! Im glad you were safe in the air, hi to Patxi!
A lovely bonus video to end a Wednesday evening! It’s always a pleasure watching videos from you Petter and have helped me out a lot during my current training towards becoming an airline pilot ;) Keep it up, see you on Sunday live!
Thank you RS! Probably no Sunday Live since I will be in Rome, celebrating my birthday!
Mentour Pilot Ah yeah completely forgotten about that, happy birthday mate! Best wishes from UK, hope your wife gives you a great birthday as it’s by her 😀
As a passenger I would certainly not like the pilot taking a chance like that! I think you showed great judgement and discipline.
A superior pilot uses his superior judgment to avoid situations which require the use of his superior skill.
You deserve more likes! Love your videos
Very helpful please keep them coming
I'm not a pilot in training, but a passenger. Thank you for posting this video. I have seen other videos, especially by a first officer, whom I shall not name, who thinks there are too many rules and regulations, and who seemed annoyed by the fact that he had to abide by them. He gave me the impression that he would circumvent one or two of them if he had the opportunity to do so. I am glad that with you in command, he would never have such an opportunity. It is my hope that he never gets to sit in your seat. As Zule mentioned, your professionalism and concern for the passengers is on full display here. Thank you.
I want this guy to be my personal pilot. He is informative and obviously takes his job and safety precautions seriously.
What should i say... You took the right decision and i`m really surprised about the pilot from the other company and how he tried to persuade others to land in this obvious situation.
I once encountered a take off in the canaries at night where i have the impression, the crew should`nt have done it , because we penetrated severe weather within some 10 to 15min after take off and the pilot even mentioned, they did`nt expect it to get that bad - it took some good 20-30 min of rattling, strobe lights and fear before i could finally see the stars outside again...
Thank you!
As a meteorologist and researcher of severe thunderstorms, I can only fully agree with you. The rules are there for a reason: too many accidents have happened with airplanes in thunderstorms, ranging for being blasted by giant hail to being hit by violent downburst winds. Of course, the chance that you will encounter this when flying into a strong storm are still small: that is why the previous flight landed safely. But why even take perhaps a 1% risk of something serious happening if it can be avoided?
Kind of related... back in the old skydiving days (c.70's), one the centers DC-3's returned from a load... but (unusual for the area) dense ground fog had since rolled in. It wasn't thick, maybe 75'' or so, and from where I was observing could see over top of it. To add insult, the sun was glaring off it. That pilot shot 5 or 6 approaches; and did end up landing... but all witnessing agreed it was very irresponsible... far more luck than skill, even though he had landed there literally thousands of times. Later heard it cost him his position.
2:48 I have that same poster. This practically makes us brothers.
Great Video! They just keep getting better
Thank you, as a passenger, a father, and an aviation enthusiast, this means a lot to me. Especially knowing the type of company you could work for, this gives me a whole new perspective. I wonder how those kind of radio messages are allowed in the first place, even if that was with the best intentions.
If you would have diverted to BCN, would the passengers be able to disembark anyway (many would have loved I presume) ?
Great advice!
Great job Captain 👍🏽
For more pilots like you! 🙏🏾
So many things could have gone wrong!
Thanks for this video!