Rose McGowan had to escape sex cult as a child | SVT/TV 2/Skavlan
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- Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2018
- Former actress and Hollywood star Rose McGowan talks about growing up in the cult Children of God in this interview with Scandinavian talk show Skavlan.
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When I was a child I wanted to grow up to be an actress or a singer so I could be super famous. I'm so happy that never happened.
Me too lol xx
Komfy Koala true, when I’ve learned about satanic Hollywood i was happy I never got there. Being poor and un-famous million times better than selling your soul to Satan.
Me too.
Same
Komfy Koala me too
It seems like a lot of people abused Rose yet she is determined not to be a victim (she has a right to be hurt) but a voice. She is very brave.
She speaks the truth , which makes her dangerous. That's why she was black balled in hollywood . Definitely a leader !
Hollywood stopped wanting her before she spoke the "truth", my guy
@@bradleyroberts6050 why? She's a great actress. Why would they stop wanting her, I don't think that is accurate.
Jade or she stopped wanting Hollywood. This is the first I’ve heard of her in some time
@@bradleyroberts6050 You're right. It does seem she has been out. She was on Charmed (TV) but that was a good while ago.That's the last time I remember seeing her in anything. I see your point now, it's one or the other isn't it?----they stopped wanting her or she stopped wanting Hollywood.
Really? She didn’t complain all those years she was getting paid by Hollywood.
She looks to me like she has been tormented her whole 45 years. I wish that she had been brought up in pure love and encouragement. It's so important for kids.
Projecting much?
@@yardengali Assuming much?
@@freespeech8996 No deducting a lot. Due to a bit of actual research on Rose. And the fact that if you "see" 45 years of "torment" on a face frozen with botox...there is little other by way of explanation than that you are projecting your own emotions/fantasies on her.
@@yardengali You are proof that a little bit of information can be a dangerous thing. You know NOTHING about me. I was simply pointing out an observation. You projected that I am projecting. You don't even know what projecting means. I have a degree in Psychology and graduated with honors. Been to college much?
@@freespeech8996 And I am the emperor of China!
Yes I do know what projecting means..it means you are seeing issues on others..you in fact suffer from yourself in some way.
Claiming you see 45 years of suffering on a face immobile from botox based on a 17 minute entertainment show is not an observation my dear fake psychologist...that means there is another reason you "see" what you think you "see". Most likely you are projecting.
And no good and/or selfrespecting psychologist would post such an observation anyway. Not to mention the fact that anybody with a psychology degree would know how incredibly silly and insecure it comes across to claim such credentials in a youtube argument.
Ps that starting line..again you are projecting! I don't have to know anything about you to draw the conclusion of projecting if your "observation" is obviously not based on what is actually even possible to see.
But you assuming my knowledge is little..that is again an "observation" which could not reasonably be made based on our exchange on the subject.
It’s true what she said about anger being an emotion women aren’t usually “allowed” to have in lots of circumstances. We’re taught from a young age to curb that emotion. Anger gets taken away from women, because it makes us powerful.
Where is the evidence that anger makes you powerful? If anything, it makes people irrational. Keep your anger under control. By the way, anger cannot be taken away because it is a natural part of emotions, but anger can take many things away from those who act out in anger.
I think I see where you are coming from. Anger can definitely be used as a source of fuel to get things moving.
To be fair, anger is also something a lot of people get carried away with, and that can be disempowering. Just look at what is happening in America with the media and identity politics. People are angry about some things and some people and are taking it out on anyone who they perceive to be in their way.
It's nearly illegal to be white, conservative and proud of your country.
Not that the UK is in much better shape, but the United States seems to be angrier than any other country right now. Many of my feminist friends can't even see the good things the conservative party and Trump are doing because they are still angry that Hillary lost.
Not a good look for anyone.
mria621 TRUTH IS anger in and of itself is actually an evil spirit one resorts to as a result of weakness. PERIOD.
I think women are nit as aggressive as men because of tge hormone testosterone which men have more than women .but anger is different anyone can feel anger rage and its a justified emotion one which protects us one which brings about change like it has with people Rose ...good for her a great survivor.
@@iamnumfive who's acting out ? If people act out its because it's their only way of expressing emotions theyre unaware of . When you're a victim of sexual abuse in childhood thats been buried you sure as he'll will act out but it can take a very long time to discover the truth
I thought this woman was crazy. I never wanted to hear her speak due to what the media made her out to be. I have since become more aware and damn...this woman is amazing.
weird
Yes you're correct. She was hurt and/or sexually molested by the then Miramax movie mogul owner Harvey Weinstien. She spoke out about this via social media, because nobody gave her a platform to speak, and that was because the powerful Harvey Weinstien machine made her out to be crazy, unstable, and angry. She had spoke out at least a year before the advent of the MeToo movement.
she’s so strong and her story is one that resonates with a lot of women.
Not with this woman..and I know for a fact I am not alone.
Rose McGowan is NOT a hero of any sort, why is everyone forgetting that she failed to mention Weinstein by name for nearly 2 decades to warn other women, it was revealed that she took money from Weinstein way back in 1997 .. after that the only thing she said was "a monster raped me" without even saying Weinstein's name ! Now she's acting like she's some sort of hero ?
88feji I had the same argument with my husband, who works as a sex crime detective, and he said many things that made me take a step back and stop talking from a place of “I know” and a place of “I wonder what I would do if it happened to me...” after many years of him working in his job he says that everyone who is making all of these huge claims and judgements and yet is not one of these people, can’t say that they “know” anything for sure. It’s pure ego and degrading to people who have been through something we have not. Who are we to decide so strongly that we “know” what they should have done. I wish like crazy that people would have blown the whistle on him a long time ago but I also believe that it came out when society was ready for it and would any that enough is enough. Had she or any of the other women come out earlier, I like to believe that we, as a society, would have responded correctly, but realistically I believe the opposite. In conclusion, let’s stop judging or trying to shout or opinions the loudest and just listen.
BS... she’s no hero of any kind. She needs Angie Dickenson to put her in her place. Angie said of actresses who complain about the casting couch need to keep their mouths shut, because they all had their blouses open and they could have walked away, but they were willing to have sex for a part. That was their choice.
And, to prove she’s a freak, look at the freak with the pink lipstick.
And, I’m a southerner and a Trump supporter , but I’m not a racist and for her to assume that Southerners are racist shows just how ignorant she is. Furthermore, she’s really stupid if she believes Northerners didn’t vote Trump. He turned America Red!
She’s such a hypocrite. She sold her ass for scripts and if she weren’t so damn ugly, she’d still be doing it, but no one wants her. She’s ignorant across the board.
And, her plastic surgery is terrible, but if she doesn’t give a crap, why did she have it?
@@88feji she did call him out like twenty years ago
All these comments about how she isn't with it, yet to me she sounds very sane and makes perfect sense. I'm going to get comments calling me crazy or an idiot and if I do it just proves everything she said in the first 7 minutes is true. She seems so much more sane than the celebrities and politicians most people adore and think are the level headed and "sane". If you actually listen to what she says it all makes sense and is so true. I feel people in the comments aren't paying attention.
Nope that doesn't proof everything she said is true..it proves you are both idiots.
@@reddragonready You call someone an idiot and you think its "that doesn't proof everything", it's prove everything, you don't know basic grammar and you call someone an idiot. Try using 'proof' in a different sentence, I know you wanted to sound smart but you used proof in the wrong manner. It's like saying, "where is your proof?" but instead saying, "where is your prove?". Google the definition of proof and prove and the way they're used, then come back and call someone an idiot lol.
@@kiragoe
It was just a small mistake and you are still an idiot because one sentence would have sufficed to point out a small mistake in a language not my own. You try replying in Dutch and we will see how your grammar holds up.
In the meantime..however many grammar mistakes I make..both you and Rose remain idiots.
Ps "It's"..not "its" and "it proves everything" not "it's prove everything"! Yup you are most definitely an idiot on more than one level!
@@reddragonready "it proves everything" not "it's prove everything" This part was referring to you being dumb and pointing that your mistake using the word proof instead of prove makes no sense. I'm showing you an alternative to how your mistake and to others is perceived, you make no sense. You don't even understand the references I made lol Jesus Christ.... I'm genuinely shocked right now no one can be this dumb, you're 100% trolling me right now that's clear.
Also point out to me what Rose said that you disagree with, come on I want to hear how she should percieve what ever point you choose out of her interview. I can't get over how you didn't understand those 2 quotes I made. Sorry but it's clear you're in school or something judging from the fact you can't understand simple hypotheticals. Well you made me laugh for real so I thank you for that, cheered me up.
@@kiragoe Lying isn't going to save your face here my dear. Your own English grammar is far from perfect. My mistake, in light of the fact that I used it correctly in the second line, was clearly a mistake, a brain fart. Your flaws are actually consistently there.
Your latest reply simply underscores your idiocy. Much like this interview does for Rose.
Rose: "I thought adults would tell me the truth" yeah i can relate to that, dissolution and disappointment !
Same ~ dirty nasty liars the whole lot! Save for Pres Trump
“I broke up with the world”....powerful powerful powerful.
Only hear what they want to hear
She’s poetic
I love rose. Anyone who says she’s “not with it” just hates to see strong woman speak ✊🏼
veruca salt AKA cando no one is saying she’s not strong she turns people off because she’s so smug it’s just off putting
samantha ferrell please don’t play into the patriarchal construct of analyzing women’s emotions. you say smug, I see confidence.
I love rose xxx
Your kidding right?
I love Rose as well! She is a very Brave beautiful woman 🌹☀️💙
She makes a key observation that everything we watch from Hollywood is through a male point of view.
Every movie since the dawn of cinema
Even Harry Potter
Cause they are male directors duh
White American middle aged male point of view. It's a staggeringly narrow point of view. I'm not putting down that viewpoint, it's valid but it's all we get and it's such a basic tiny perspective for an industry that sells globally.
I noticed the same thing! So glad to hear a celebrity say this!!!
People who cant STAND injustice and speak up against it mostly have injustice done to them. Im the same.
"If you tell lies to make someone else feel better in the short term then you're chipping away at who you really are, your sense of self....you give that away with every lie to make a situation more comfortable in the short term..."
yes!
It seemed as if everyone here was amazed at how intelligent and articulate she is here. She didn’t yell, seem condescending, she knows what she’s talking about. While she’s not perfect, it’s certainly brave of her to even come forward, since most likely there’s no going back. Good luck Rose 💕❤️💕
Lol nope not everybody..just some dimwited fans projecting their own shit on her ... along with imagined wisdom and intelligence. All the time ignoring her lies..
@@yardengali What lies would that be?
@@jsmyth024 Well for one there is the lie she told for over a decade regarding her plastic surgery. She claimed to have been in a car accident at the time and now writes in her own book that she lied. That actually that surgery was because of medical surgery on her nose going wrong.
Which ever version you choose to believe means she lied or is lying now. And if all that doesn't make you question anything she says..she claims the reason she lied about supposedly perfectly understandable "real" reason..was that her publicist told her a carcrash was a better story. And naturally this woman , who claims to have always been strong, had no choice but to do as her publicist suggested.😉
And there are the many instances she said one thing and then later claimed she said something else.
The woman is clearly a habitual liar and attention seeker. And the only thing holding water in her Weinstein story is that hot tub.
With all those vids on narcissists..it seems you as yet fail to recognize one .
She's responsible for ruining many mens' lives
Or trained!!!
I am so grateful for people like Rose Mcgowan. I am a childhood abuse survivor. I was shamed and told this never happened to me by my family and my "church" until I just stopped talking. Thank you for having a voice for the rest of us.
I am so sorry for your childhood being taken from you.
I LOVE this woman for speaking honest human truths and holding space to identify and heal our traumas and learn from past mistakes.
I’m so proud of Rose coming out with all her life story. She’s a brave beautiful woman.
Anger is Fear Externalized, Depression is Fear Internalized.
Someone has had a good therapist!
I never liked her, in fact I don’t like most people in movies and in tv as well as the industry and stopped watching them years ago (unless the storyline is interesting) but I liked listening to what she had to say She’s intelligent, has principles and sees the evil and corruption of the entire industry. I hope for the best for her.
I liked her in Charm - that's it....
EyesWideOpen 55 ...Absolutely ‼️
Ok boomer
Always thought she was hot, when the anger came out towards the Hollywood system I was a bit appalled, she creamed it financially and when the jobs stopped coming in she opened the can. She chose her career, wasn't forced into it.
I hope she heals herself. She’s not there yet
Irony: Escapes sex cult.....goes to work and live in the Hollywood industry.
Yep! You got it right!
Yes she recognizes during the London real interview , she says that 70% of people leaving a cult end up in another and that’s what happened to her
It’s like women who are abused keep ending up with abusive men. It’s all they know until they figure out how to break the cycle by defining themselves as who they truly want to be then they figure out how not to behave. You have to understand how brainwashing works in order to not get brainwashed. I hope that made sense.
About 7 minutes in, she explains exactly how a female celebrity gets "categorized and labelled" - absolutely confirms so many theories!
I agree as Hollywood is full of pedovores
This explains a lot. I always felt she was misunderstood. She can be stern. I still like her. Ms. McGowan is an interesting soul.
Rose as a young child knew who she was. That is rare.
I understand why she's so guarded people can be very untrustworthy. I totally get her reasons
Yes people react so unfriendly towards liars and such
@@reddragonready your right but who's anyone to really say they know the whole truth? Anyone can see this woman has been abused.
@@Halo-li8hg Oh really..how exactly? First you say "who's to say they know the truth" and then you claim you can "see this woman has been abused"?
The truth can be ascertained in many ways but one thing is for sure..if she first claims one thing and 15 years later writes a book and says she lied...one of those times was true or both are lies..end result..she is a liar.
If you would do a little bit of actual research you'd find out she simply is full of BS and you cannot trust a word she says.
@reddragonready I'm speaking generally you can tell by someone's body language and reactions if they've experienced trauma or abuse at least in her case you can see something has happened and generally speaking when someone tells a story usually only the direct ones involved truly know what happened, just because say someone doesn't believe her accusations on Harvey does that discount her upbringing as well? Its how she explains it seems so outrageous it comes off made up.
@reddragonready when I commented earlier it had nothing to do with if it happened or not. It had to do with in her experiences something really bad has happened and that's why she is cautious with her interactions with people. That also is a very telling and honest comment for a victim of abuse.
Eddie is such an attentive listener
Eddie was very intensely listening to her . He was very interested in every word she was saying .
When I was younger me and my brother were approached by a lady who asked my mother if I wanted to try out for film like for commercials or movies. My mom said no and acted very uncomfortable and I remembered that as a kid. I didn’t understand it at the time. But she must of known more than me and was trying to protect me.
Thank you ALL for doing this. Beautiful show!
Dear Rose I wish you a better life for the rest of it-God bless you
Skavlan is a great interviewer. Great questions and he really listens to the answers.
Thanks so much, Carol!
@@SkavlanTV thank you for your reply and your work.
We really appreciate interviewers like you Skalvan!
i know Eddie Izzard but who were the other two people on this panel? they contributed nothing
She escaped a sex cult to be sucked into another sex cult. Glad she found happiness and enjoys making art. Healing Prayers to this lady. I'm also am artist and it helps me to create.
Oh how the house of cards starts falling down when abused children become adults... and start to understand what they did not when they were children.
She is not an abused child..she said herself her father who ran that chapter of that cult protected her .
@@reddragonready You are under the mistaken impression that when children witness dysfunctional sexual behaviour daily it's not abuse.
@@O.o_really I think I can just leave it with your name really. What a load of crock. She described her childhood as "fun" doing lots of art" only weird thing was going out on the street singing about jesus. Her father ran the group they were in. He left so she claims when they started to talk about child-adult sex. She did not "witness dysfunctional sexual behavior daily" at all.
But just fyi if a child grows up in that..no it is not "abuse"..they simply wouldn't know any better.
Also a great many things one society calls "dysfunctional sexual behavior" another is just fine with and children do not grow up feeling "abused" at all.Are you an American from the midwest or the south? Good change you'd claim the same of children growing up with two same sex parents. Are you born in the Netherlands..changes are you'd laugh at that notion.
You are just full of it trying to look desperately for a reason to see this woman as a victim when in fact she is not..well not of all that socalled abuse you roseidiots are trying to project on her. My guess would be ...observing the attention seeking and the lying she seems to have done for a long time ..the only thing she is a "victim" of is some kind of personality disorder.
@@reddragonready your life has got to be dead empty if a conversation with me is what you need in your life.
@@O.o_really In that case ..so must yours be..seeing as you have been replying. Roseidiots..doing the word "idiot" proud!
Just by the look at Roses face i can see the hurt in her from what this cult had done to her from the past.I pray Rose will find the truth and will be healed.
Love this brilliant, beautiful and powerful woman. Rose is so misunderstood yet so strong. Love you rose❤️
The fact that SO MANY PEOPLE are completely fixated on her looks, is disgusting and terrifying.
She's completely correct. It matters not what you say, as you are only judged and taken for your looks or lack thereof. It's astonishing how on point she is, and everyone commenting on here about what she has "done to herself" proves her point for her.
Well so is she apparently...going for the botox big time!
Love what she says about being human and experiencing and letting all emotions be felt and stereotypes between genders on the full spectrum of human emotions, especially with anger.
Watching this because of looking up stuff about the children of God but man this lady is smart and has some really good life lessons to share. I loved "if you lie to someone you make it worse in the long run because its like youre chipping away at who you are" SOOO TRUE!! women do this in marriages all the time. and definitely agree with if the way i am different isnt affecting u in your life then shut up.
I think abuse has quieted woman, it had, can me. I can feel the anger and use the energy and sometimes I allow the anger to meet the situation. As she said I also feel that anger will spark the revolution. It is the oppression that keeps us quiet. It was through abuse that I was taught silence and to not fight . I don't really want to have to fight but the fight is there if I need it.
Loved this interview. Rose is very brave ... a real woman and real hero!!
Elsje Massyn ...and a lovely woman🌹
Such respect for her stance and owning who she is without over intellectualising. Love her
Wow I remember seeing Rose for the first time way back when in The Doom Generation, think it was her first role, quite amazing to listen to her now after half a lifetime. Would love to sit down and have a chat with her. Much respect.
she's beautiful and brilliant. yet you people obsess about the length of her hair.
Um all the plastic surgery makes her look like M. Jackson. She looks very stiff not pretty in my opinion
@@dlm8763 your opinion but to me she still my type😍
I'm sadder about what she's done to her mouth and face. So harsh!
Catherine Louise She apparently had a car accident and her face was injured. So that‘s why her lips look so different. I mean you can tell it‘s not lipfillers they‘re a complete different shape.
@@MayJade001 Utter fantasy
Good for you! Showing a young lady with a troubled image can develop and grow into a smart leader figure with a voice. I support you
She's incredibly brave, interesting and intelligent. There is a distinct and special connection between her and Eddie and it's beautiful.
I love Eddie, such a wonderful actor and performer...and good for Rose for just speaking her truths...theres a lot of anger, pain and disbelief when you reach a certain age as an adult and you start to fully understand and recall abuse you may have suffered as a child...the healing can be a lifelong process...
She is so articulate and her style is dope! It looks very futuristic and ahead of time!
She just exudes unshakable strength. Much respect and admiration, Rose ♥️
Appreciate every word. Thank you, Rose
I’ve got a lot of respect for Rose McGowan...and Joaquin Phoenix.
Rose is amazing, such a fighter
She fights reality and truthtelling tooth and nail alright
The other people sitting in this interview mainly the man and the woman are so dry and unenlightened. She is enlightenment.
I"m late to this interview .. but again, Skavlan ... fantastic content you provide.
The guy wearing eye shadow looks like Ursula, the sea witch if she were to dye her hair blonde.
If you don't know Eddie Izzard..you should check out his stand up..
Imo he is hilarious!
Joey Jeremiah 😂😂😂
Right
She has a lot to her and probably only is telling a part of her story.....
Poor Rose she seems like a wounded soul
I agree.
I disagree,I think she’s turned that pain into strength
LOVE HER! THANK YOU ROSE! I so wish I could meet her! Is her book out already??❣️
I appreciate Rose bc of her experience and her perspective. She is wise in many ways. I don’t agree with everything she says or stands for, but I definitely give her props.
Thanks for sharing your story! I grew up in a cult too!
She is so well spoken
God bless you, thank you for being you and expressing truth! ❤ We all need to be that way!
Wish I had a mom that looks at me the way Eddie looks at Rose. So much love, respect and pride he gives her as she speaks. 🥰
She is a very intelligent woman.
Rose is great. She’s so smart and brave
Yep she is
Hi can we talk
Thank you Rose, love you so much! You encourage me to believe in myself and not be frightened anymore
*Bless Rose McGowan's strong and truthful heart!* 🍃❣🍃
One GOOD thing about the 'Me Too' movement is that MORE women hv gained their courage to Speak Up!, ANNDD, women r getting CLOSER To getting MORE being RESPECTED!
We've always been able to speak up ! I've almost always been respected by men.
When did women become a such big babies ? Don't take a bad memory and make it your whole identity ! How weird and self loathing is that ?
So glad I grew up before people went nuts.
@@stonesandbones9331 fully agree!
You ARE changing the world ✨❤️
What a refreshing change to hear an intelligent person talking about interesting stuff. Great clip!
Thanks for that!
Great great interview
Omg I love her! She is so good at verbalizing what is going on
She referenced Malcom X...love her brain it’s so outside the box. Love it.
She’s so eloquent.. I love how she speaks ❤️
We love ypu arose, you blazed the trails for many other survivors that grew up the way we all did.
She's a big inspiration. Love her.
I think this has been the best interaction and knowledge that she has gotten to deliver. Great interview and great job ROSE🌹
Your voice wasn’t interrupted, you were heard, & your points were well received and heard.
I really enjoyed this interview with rose mcgowan skavan did a great job interviewing her
Rose you are an incredible human. Keep going. Don't hurt anyone. 💜
Nothing short of magnificent. .I'm 70vyrs young & sure do wish we had this incredibly smart intelligent & wise woman back in the day..I would definitely vote for Rose for the presidency. ..u go little sista. .🌻❤🌹
These people will do and say anything for money.
Brave lady thank you for speaking out 🙌💪🔥🕊💛
I don't know why, but since I was little I love her. I discovered her in Charmed in 2006/2008.
I must have been between 6 and 8 years old. And in Charmed, she has always been my favorite witch and my favorite actress. I don't know why, but she's giving off something. She is so inspiring. Then growing up when I discovered her story and then read her book, I understood why I always admired her. She is an incredible woman, strong, courageous, intelligent, funny, beautiful... A good example of Woman. I love her so much. All her life she suffered. Her book really touched and moved me. I wish her the best of luck in her life. Love You Rose🌹❤️🥺✊🏻👏🏻💪🏻🙏🏻🤩🔥
Wow, “it’s not the time to do things in a subtle fashion”
She’s amazing
Well she hasn't run as a politician yet but she definitely stood up and supported Larry Elder, the war is not over yet keep fighting you two
Rose is mesmerising to listen to. I love how strong and confident she is. ♥️
Well that's 17 minutes of my life I can't get back... a lot of stuff didn't even make sense
Might not make sense to the average man but that doesn’t mean this evil shit doesn’t exist!!!! These sick bastards pray on the souls of children and anything that can protect children is not a waste of time period
Probably because most of what that has been nut job said was made up....
Kimmy Mac
Then glad I only watched to 4 mins. She just didn’t seem truthful.
@Laura P. Vanderbooben The same way she spent her years in Hollywood sleeping with producers by her own choice.
Kimba M because you’re brainwashed and she most likely has a 30 point IQ gain on you.
Explains so much
Boy, I’m really not a big fan of hers but this so compelling. I absolutely feel for her. 💔
She speaks the truth and I love that about her. Hope most people would listen to this.
What a beauty she is. Eddie Izzard, too. They speak important truths!
I agree with her here! beautiful woman
Rose is tough, she’s known EXACTLY what’s going on in Hollywood and somehow she’s survived it
Rose is not forsaken, at least while I'm still around.
I'm not perfect but lately I see just how sincere I really am; nothing to lose but a decent eternity! That's enough motivation, time to motivate!
ROSE LOOKS GREAT!!
BEAUTIFUL!!!!
She's aged this past year, this work.is taking its toll on her. But she's got a good heart so it doesn't really matter x
We all age damn why even say that.
@@traceybass2663 true hun x
Much respect for this courageous woman.
Brave person! I love her honesty!
God, she's unrecognizable.
Also, its amazing to me how many people don't know eddie izzard. Where tf have you people been lol??
Right? He's not only funny af... But quite intelligent too.
River Phoenix his family too was in a cult
Deborah O. They were in the same cult-just a different location.
@@sneakersheik2418 and in a diffrent status. Rose's father was a leader in the cult. The phoenix brothers had to beg in the streets, and River said he lost his virginity when he was 4 to another child.
Thank you Brave Rose .....you really give us hope
Rose is very brave, and we like Eddie for engaging with her in a respectful manner.