4 BIG Baseball Hitting Misconceptions Youth Coaches Teach (that MLB players DON’T DO!)
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- Опубликовано: 26 ноя 2018
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In this video, Matt Antonelli gives us his take on 4 baseball hitting misconceptions we hear all the time from coaches. He shares his experience as an MLB hitter and tells us what he thinks about getting the foot down early, dropping hands, swinging down on the ball, and flying open in the swing. Please watch this video carefully as there a lot of great pieces of information that Matt provides!
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Thank you for this invaluable information...
Do you think sending videos like these to my players to touch on topics before we practice is a good idea? It makes sense to me but I've had mixed responses from a few different people I mentioned the idea to. I assume coaches are already doing this.
@@michaelwhitman2743 shut up
I fucking hate it
Please talk about youth... Good mechanics for starters .. Say 7-8 yrs old..
If only this video existed when I was 12 or 13, would have saved me a lot of time figuring stuff out. Great Stuff!
“That’s gunna work now but it’s not gunna work at the next level.” My High School Coach changed my batting stance freshman year and I went from hitting solid liners to ground balls and having to use my speed to get on base. Couldn’t go back to my old stance because I’d get reprimanded and have to run pole to poles. Went to play travel ball, used my original stance and swing and started raking again. Please don’t change the swing unless you’re proven wrong.
I tell kids on my team to have whatever stance is comfortable for them, I don't try to change anything about stance. look at mickey tettleton, he held his bat straight backwards towards the umpire and had a decent career
@@seanhellard2124 I never understood a coach trying to fix something that works very well.
The only time to fix something is when it’s not working as good as it used to.
@akaredcrossbow it's because terrible mechanics can produce results at lower levels ,but will create MASSIVE struggles later. Good coaches can see these flaws and correct it early. Small period of struggle will occur but growth will be exponential if proper mechanics are developed. It's literally what the coach is there for. Stop thinking what you are doing is ok even though is absurdly wrong fundamentally.
The recognized individuality that Matt speaks of is indicative of his knowledge of the art of hitting. One of the cool things of life is that we are all different. Couldn't agree more with the idea of letting the athlete be who they are PROVIDED, certain fundamental things DO take place when they need/have to. Great stuff guy! Thanks for sharing your knowledge. It is greatly appreciated.
The best thing you said there during the "hit down on the ball" portion was "feel vs. real". That will help a-lot of us articulate what we are teaching.
Concepts, terminology , and proper vocabulary and how to express them to a child are bigger obstacles than a coaches understanding. I liked Start sooner instead of get your foot down faster, really liked "Feel vs real" a-lot, stay in posture and over the plate or ball are way better than don't fly open. Good job fellas!
This is perfect !!
..no cookie cutters👍🏼👍🏼
I've watched a lot of videos and worked with a number of hitting coaches. This is HONESTLY the best twenty minutes of instruction I've ever seen.
Antonelli explained the stride very clearly that any age group should be able understand his instruction. Great instruction visually and verbally to the max.
I would have liked to have heard the discussion on dropping the hands after the load is complete and the swing starts which I think is what you meant in your question. Cool video. Like both you guys. Thanks for doing it.
My Daughters had a great softball hitting coach , just like you he didn’t mess with how to get there ( but there are tricks to help get there ) the important thing is where you end up. Being aligned & in the right position at the point of contact. 😀
Could not agree more... Coiling to load up, no matter what your process is at the plate is severely overlooked. Matt's explanations are spot on.
DAMN TWO OF MY FAV BASEBALL RUclipsRS ON THAT COLLAB
He’s the best! I’m so glad he came down to FL!
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Thank you so much for this video I went from striking out every time to making contact almost all the time
Cant believe i just saw this Video. I subscribe to each of You Go Pro and Antonelli Baseball.... and I never knew there was a combined video like this! Thanks so much for all that you guys do!
All hitting principles apply for softball as well. Great stuff!
I’ve been subscribed to you both for months. I’ve learned so much. I’m ready to give Little League another attempt now.
Antonelli knows his shit. A good Coach gives the objective and let's the player figure the best way to do the job...AND Ted Williams also taught to start below the pitch plane to hit line drives ;)
you have some the best videos on youtube. the detailed explanations and matching real physiology with the techniques is great.
Love it guys. A million thumbs up! Preach on!
I've been a fan of both you Coach John and Coach Matt because you both use the same basic principles to teach which is straight forward and to the point but in a simple way that is easy to understand for pretty much all levels/ages of players. There are so many coaches here that do the same things you talked about and yes I did them too being "Old School" however the few things I never did was try to make a player change their swings unless there was something in their swing that was causing a problem like Matt said.... and I have never told any player to keep their shoulders closed as it always seemed to cause confusion when I saw/heard other coaches tell their players that. I explained what I saw while I demonstrated what I saw so they could kind of see it then I would have them do it in slo-mo while guiding them in a way so they could feel what they did and the differences between the "bad habit" and a "good one".
Guys it is awesome to see the collaboration of two of the best coaches on RUclips for this sport getting it done so smoothly!! Thanks again to both of you for all of the stuff you taught me and helped me teach my players here because it is just so much awesome info passed one between your channels!!! LOVE IT!!!!
Thank you so much for this comment! I appreciate it very much and I'm sure Matt will too!
I've been coaching for 6 years now and the one thing I see others do wrong, is to try to make cookie cutter players. NOT all players are built the same, therefore, should not be coach/taught the same. Highlight their strengths and enhance their weaknesses. As long as you teach a player to be better, you've done your job as a coach. IMO. Keep up the good work gentlemen!
Literally every “misconception” was taught to my son this season - and he was in a season-long slump! Just forwarded this video to him...thanks so much for this video.
Same & it ruined my last 2 years playing ball. Overly controlling coaches can make small issues into large issues. RUclips can make things a lot easier for this generation of ball players if they listen to the right folks. Good luck to your son!
Yea cause everybody wants they’ve drill work to and always be right but be teaching the wrong thing
Matt, very well presented! A lot of good, useful info
Excellent instruction. Very nice commentary on matching bat angle swing to pitch angle.
You guys rock!! Great Stuff!
I completely agree with everything Matt says. It irks me when I hear all these coaches promoting these strict plate disciplines that you guys both describe. It's about rhythm, timing, feel and looseness in the swing. Looseness in the sense that you're not tense and you feel comfortable. I always talk to my son about having the same swing plane as the pitch to keep the bat in the hitting zone as long as possible and generating his power by using his whole body from the ground up while being in control. When you're truly break down hitting it's a lot more simple then many coaches make it out to be. It's common sense.
Awesome Robert! I agree! 👊😉
Yes! I agree. My high school coach demanded a pre stride
. Pissed me off! I could never get comfortable in the box. Ever. It messed up my swing too.
Robert Hull Exactly. If it feels comfortable to you and you’re making contact, then you’re doing it correctly.
Thing is, if you aren’t working with the batters then you have no idea why they are teaching. Like I’ve said in prior comments I hate the term get your foot down early but with the youth that I’ve coached they tend to open up with their stride foot. Like the bat is literally coming through and body opening up as the stride foot moves forward. So get your foot down before the hands trigger is appropriate for lots of youth batters. Now will I always say the whole line no, I’ll give them the get the foot down but in practice they hear it all and go through the mechanics.
Same thing can be said about the hands being connected or coming down on the ball. I’d NEVER teach that but sometimes that que will get them to level out. So having more info may actually show the coach is competent.
@@TheRoadLessChosen I agree with most of that. But I am not a proponent of giving wrong information to a player to correct a flaw. Like swing down on the ball to level out. I'd much rather tell them that they're uppercutting and their swing needs to be a little flatter. That could come back to bite and cause them to chop in the future because it's in their head as a fix. One of my biggest pet peeves that I've seen a dozen times is when a pitcher is missing somewhere consistently, let's say outside, and then the coach tells the CATCHER to set up way inside. The pitcher needs to make that adjustment, not the stinking catcher.
This is a great video. I coach 8u baseball. This video is extremely helpful regardless of how much knowledge we already have prior to watching this video.
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This info to me is spot on. Thank you so much!
When I was younger I was never doubtful of my batting skills and always made it on base literally every time up to bat no joke .......but......then my dad and coaches told me all these diff things and I was so focused on my form that as I got older and older & also as my confidence dissipated, less and less I got a hit or on base to the point that batting became awkward and uncomfortable and hyperfocused on doing my swing properly instead of just feeling natural and keeping my eye on the ball. Honestly I have always just encouraged my son to feel whats natural and watch the pitchers style more or less so my son can readjust in the box for timing instead of changing his natural feelto just eye on ball and swing away u kno.....dnt mess with natural talent it will mess wit ya indefinitely!!!!!
Same
Maybe its that your mechanics where good enough to get by for 40mph but they weren't good enough to get past 75mph.
And encouraging somebody to do whats naturally might be encouraging them to do something wrong. Just make sure you encourage the correct mechanics.
Some coaches worry to much about form that do mess with good hitters. If your hitting the ball and constantly getting good at bats why try to change them or confuse them. Now if theirs a player that’s struggling to hit a ball then you help them change there form.
See this all too often
I think Andruw Jones career was shortened and ruined by batting coach, (no name mentioned), trying to change his swing to increase his batting average. This took away his power and never allowed him to improve average significantly.
Great video, thanks guys.
Great video. It’s like choosing your bat. It’s what feels comfortable. If you are athletic and you have proper load, hands and head are still, lower separates from hands, it works. Ted Williams had very low hands - .406
I love this collaboration!!!
Thanks! Me too! haha
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU !!! for about a dozen years now, I have been professing those EXACT sentiments about hitting - since I met, and starting studying hitting mechanics taught by Mike Epstein and his son Jake. Matt's statement of "Real vs. feel" is SPOT ON!! What I've learned, and what Matt speaks about - hitting instructors (even Professional players) teach one thing (swinging down to the ball specifically), but do another in actual performance. I've actually gotten into an argument with a local baseball school owner about exactly that. But of course his belittling comment of "who are you? , I've played professionally....who knows better?" really got under my skin. Keep up the GREAT WORK fellas ........
Awesome! Forward him this video 🤣 Thanks brother!
I think you guys covered a lot of great things in this video. This is from my perspective of coaching primarily 12 and under.
When I talk about getting the foot down early, i am trying to get the kids to understand that they need to hit from a position of strength and balance. if they start to move too much of their body with a foot still up in the air, they will have difficulty timing and being balanced at the point of attack. Getting that foot down early helps reinforce the concept of hitting off of two feet and driving up against a firm front side. I do agree you can load to early though, and a good coach should be able to differentiate and explain that.
I teach the boys to keep the hands still purely from a biological perspective. I try to explain to them that their mind is constantly performing the math equations needed to get their hands from start to contact based off what their eyes are seeing. The more variables they introduce into that equation, hand movement being one of them, the harder their mind has to work to accomplish that task. At younger ages, they should be focusing on simplifying the process. I just teach hands high simply because its easier to stay high on heat up in the zone, and bring them down to contact lower in the zone.
I think swing down is simply meant to relay to the kids that the bat and the ball need to get down from where they start. It should never be taught to swing down through the ball, but to get both the HANDS and the BAT down on plane through contact. Again, a coach should be able to distinguish between those things when teaching.
As far as keeping the front side closed, when we talk about it, we mean to keep it closed as you launch into the swing phase. it should come open as the bat travels through the zone, but staying closed to me, means staying closed through launch, and opening through contact. I sure hope folks are not teaching kids to swat at the ball like you displayed at the end.
great work! keep it up. I use a lot of your videos to reinforce what I instruct. Sometimes they think coach is full of shit, so when someone on youtube is backing it up, it tends to carry more weight.
Great info... thank you!
Great job Matt...perfect explanation and great info.
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Staying over the plate! Great point!
Wish my grandson could take personal lessons from you.
He's been playing baseball for
7 years, he is 15 now.
Thanks for your great advise.
Ron
Wow, you guys help me catch so much with your tips
excellent! yes it's the HEAD that needs to stay on the ball not keep the shoulder in.
Guys thank you so much! Looking to find my stroke and give myself as much room for error as possible to be a hit machine by being in the zone as long as possible 👌
Yassss! You got it 👊😉
As a former college baseball player I have to say you guys are more informative then any of my coaches! Love the detail and Agree that feel and real are always different! QUESTION??? As a former baseball player and now a avid golfer I realize they don't talk about setup as much in baseball as they do in golf. What are your thoughts on proper setup, any key things you make sure players are doing in the setup??? Also my coaches always told us to stay closed and it never made since to me.. thanks for giving my sanity back by explaining that properly!
Incredible - thank you gentlemen!
Thank you 🙏
Great job guys. I think the misconception about the foot down early is which part of the foot we're talking about. What i teach my son is that he can't start his rotation before the heal of his front foot is down on the ground. As long as the heal is down when the ball is half way to home plate, he's going to be on time, i let him decide how to get there (Pujols vs Donaldson). We have to let the kids have their own style, and teach the important aspect of the swing around it.
Got love matts energy every kid should have it
I believe he had an XL at Dunkin Donuts that morning cause he came out on fire 🔥
My son just finished the 8u season...the last 2 years he had above 700 batting average due to this kind of instruction. I refused to let the coaches jack with his swing mechanics and timing. With good basic stance and mechanic instruction I let him develope a natural swing with more focus on hand eye coordination.
What pitching does a 7 & 8 year old face?
Talk to me in 3-4 years
Nobody cares how an 8-yr old hits against other 8-year olds
You will hit the panic button at 10 because the opposition is beginning to play
This video should be played by players, parents and coaches before every season on every level.
I’ve know this stuff for a long time, but never put into words better. My hs coach taught us all of these misconceptions. I’m actually pissed because I feel cheated in my baseball career.
Me too me too.......i mean i just played ball my whole life as a past time never profesh. But i do feel cheated too after what happen to my batting after hyperfocusing on what my father and coaches did to my batting stance and got in my head.!!!!😒💜
I’ve helped a lot of kids from my various little league and travel teams with this info
Awesome. Thanks Absolutely love it.
Glad you liked!!!
Great collaboration. You guys are the best. Thanks for getting together.
Thank Anto, he came all the way down to FL from Massachusetts!
Yeah, it mustve been real rough to drag him down to the #1 vacation destination on the planet from toasty Massachusetts, no? lol
Love it 🔥
Wow. This was a Master class on hitting. Might be your most comprehensive and best hitting video ever!!!!
Thanks! Matt and I shot a bunch of videos together that day so I've got a bunch more where he offers some real nuggets! So be sure to be subscribed with notifications on so you'll see when I upload them! Thanks again!
John I've been following you and Matt closely for about 3 to 4 years and both of my boys play for Antonelli baseball. Ask Matt to get a few KoH for the winter workouts. I've owned one for 2 years now. Great device. You and Brett Porciau convinced me to get one.
Really great video guys, I will be showing my young hitters this tonight.
Awesome! Thanks for the feedback!
Most of this vid is spot on to me.
The one thing that was never discussed and I think was mentioned is "balance"
If they're taking a high stride they're generally falling forward and can't control themselves. They don't want to step yet, but they have to because they didn't maintain their balance. So they're foot steps too early and is disconnected from the rest of their motion. So I think that's a key to having success with different types of strides.
Wow! Thank you for video!
You're welcome!
Great points! One thing I constantly teach my boys to help them stay on that axis is to keep their head / chin down on the ball! And make the chin almost tuck and touch the left shoulder and finish with it near or touching the right shoulder and allow the shoulder to push the head/chin as the swing is finishing the pull through! Which is after the bathead has driven through th ball and wrists are then rolling through at the right point of their swing.
Never roll your wrists ,stay palm up palm down.
Great video!
Thanks for the video! Well said about swing path(and everything else!). My Son, never played travel, but was taught in LL by a very good baseball teacher to have a hard, level swing. The core mechanic is pretty much constant. Head on the ball, commit to a level, get in the zone, level thru "the zone". Like you said, any rhythm that doesn't affect that core is just fine. He trains almost daily in overall fitness, not sport specific. Just Strength, Agility, Acceleration, Power, Recovery ever since he said he wanted to try Freshman Football. It has helped him a TON. Our trainer got a bunch of new customers who saw my 6'2" top-heavy, flat footed kid's improvement getting down the base path and extended playing time at TE/DE on the gridiron. I'm excited to see how he does with Baseball at the high school level. Soph year will be a challenge because there is a travel "group" coming to the school (along with their entitled travel parents). He'll have to work harder, which is a good thing. Keep it fun.
Awesome video guys thanks!
Thank you sir!
Tremendous, these guys are the best!
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Awesome..!
The hitting down on the ball thing always confused me. I’ve always thought I was hitting down on the ball and I was getting good results but I wanted more power so I heard you actually want a slight upswing, so my hands dropped and I hit weak ground balls and pop ups.
I think for some players it’s really hard to control the barrel, but your hands are controllable. They start high so they have to go down first, and the barrel follows but then you finish high and the barrel starts going up and meets the ball.
A lot of these tips were confusing and I think if a kid is having success with whatever he’s doing, even if it’s “wrong” then no coach should try to change it
The one thing I was taught supporting the "swing down" argument was regarding the spin on the ball off of the bat. A swing at an angle downward, provided the timing is correct (out in front of inner-half, behind outer-half) will provide some lift and carry as it will cause the ball to backspin. Conversely, if you are lifting the ball (swinging up), the ball will front spin and fall more quickly to the ground.
All that said, I was never the greatest hitter, so I'm open to an alternate viewpoint. I just didn't hear a compelling argument to support his claim.
Really enjoy your content and have used it to correlate to disc golf backhand form, (along with insights from Brent P. And Steve Y.). In the first part of the discussion about foot strike timing, I was surprised it was not explained that the footsteike timing introduces a momentum lag that then creates the whip forward? Center of gravity moving down and forward while bat hand is still moving backward. Would love to hear you go into detail on that. Ted Williams book on batting also talks around it but does not explicitly explain it. Ball golf seems to incorporate discussion of it, though.
Great stuff 👍👍👍
Awesome dialog on rotation, like Ted Williams says hips lead the way.
Love the vid thanks I think it’s gonna help!
Oh yeh it will help. Listen to Anto, he knows what he’s talking about.
You guys rock!!
Thanks
Love the video
Great stuff!!
We were only missing Forus Media
I love that Matt talks about "feel." When you develop a working swing, you can feel it. You can feel the hit and know whether or not it was good. In practice, I try to get to a point where every swing/hit feels good. All good advice here! Getting those things correct will help with consistency and power.
Great Info! I have trained maybe 300 hitters tops, of those more than 60 were drafted/signed, 7 first rounders. I would have had double those number if not for the destructive coaching at the next level, both college and pro. Most of the time it starts with 7:14 "That's not going to work at this or the next level" and then the coach clones them like all the others on the team. Cannot tell you how many guys I had drafted out of high school for their power and then went unsigned out of college because their power was literally taken away from them by the college hitting coach. The hitting coach is usually an undrafted middle infielder that led the team with a slap .400 average a few years prior and he is going to force every hitter to hit just like he did,. Amateurs teaching amateurs to be amateurs. Even had pro guys fly in at the all-star break completely jack up with a no stride or early stride swing that was forced on them in minor league ball. Keep up the good work guys! Get the word out!
What a discovery!!!😲
My two favorite channels
"Hit down on the ball" is to stop youth players from dropping their hands. It gives them the "feel" of not dropping and lifting. Keeping the bat square through the zone, again, is a different topic.
Good stuff.
Very good video
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Hello Djura, Long time no talk. You are correct in your assessment. I think what Antonelli actually is saying that the hands do not go down late and that happens when we do not use proper body rotation to swing the bat. Pushing and Pulling the bat.. I would think that the idea path would be to go down early with the hands but with connection. It seems that it just happens as a part of our rotation with proper spine angle.
Have good day, and by the way, I love both of you guys....
Coach DeLong
The movement of the hands will always depend on pitch location-high, middle or low.
My boys are lucky enough to have the awesome Merv Rettenmund as their hitting coach. Your points are lining right up with what he teaches them. Timing routine doesn't really matter as long as you get to a good load position. Also, getting the foot down just has to happen before firing.
That Matt guy knows what he’s talking about. 😜
Loved Merv when he was with the Orioles in the early 70’s! One of my favorites! #14 I was born in Baltimore, but raised in Kansas, so I was always an Orioles fan. Hadn’t heard that name in a long time. Your boys were lucky!
Mmmmm i believe timing does have somewhat to do with hitting....but thats just my opinion....
Right the foot does have to get down before firing but almost every kid that hasn’t had good hitting instruction is opening up and pulling the bat through before their foot even touches the ground. Bat moves with stride. Just crushes them. I hate saying that phrase to my hitters mid game because it’s so cliche but man it is the main issue. They are finally getting it now.
Yes! Every player has his own style but a few basics are needed for a great swing.
Lots of knowledge
Some of the best thoughts on hitting I've heard in years. Teach what you see!
fantastic video. I have an 8u team, .we teach our boys to hit line drives with some carry. We never teach the swing up in order to get carry. If they can hit line drives with carry to all areas of the field, they will be tough to get out. Also, the keep the shoulder closed is a big one we discuss with our kids. No way you can generate the most speed by keeping the shoulder completely closed. We also make sure for them to feel like their is a pole running through their body and to make sure they swing around it and not change their posture. Fantastic video guys!
I love the pole que! Sounds like you got some studs over there! Keep working them boys coach! 👊😉
YouGoPro thanks coach. We are trying. ⚾️👍🏽
the san diego padres select... (i was watching that draft and its cool seeing u now)
Best baseball RUclips or ever
He’s the best!
Great Video !
I hate over coaching !
Use the athleticism of the player to help themselves don’t take it away from them. 😀
Just don’t hold the bat like a sword
This is so true. My HS coach tried to turn us all in to these downward swing no stride all arm swinging robots. I was never a power hitter but I'd scream line drives to the gaps and get doubles or leg triples all the time in any league other than highschool. Didn't help that I was a pitcher and our state allowed the DH, so guess who did nothing but bunt during batting practice if we even got to pick up a bat during the season at all....
I used to play with my colleagues to baseball there was some panoramic windows near so we had to manage to avoid a broken window, and I can say what he's saying about directing the bat to the ground to hit the ball it's true and the window of ball impact became quite small and narrow which requires a great sight and reflexes this mean a lot of training
I agree with all . But don't forget about getting your hips into the swing
It’s strange how this applies in most sports I guess. Our local high school had a kicker, who was the biggest draw for the team. He usually put kick-offs through the goal post and commonly hit 60yd field goals. He hit several in practice at 70yds. He got was courted by every major college and went to Tennessee. Their kicking coach changed his “technique” and ruined him. He managed to make the NFL, but was nothing special. He told me that “coaches” who can not do them self, what the kids are doing, demand changes and can ruin special abilities the players may have developed.
I saw the same in business, economic studies. Pitifully poor professors, preach about how to run a business.
@@toddheil42 it happens everywhere. A car mechanic for instance. They might have every certification in the world to work on cars, book smart, but they can’t perform on the car when it’s time to fix it.
No matter what job, they need to know the books, but they also need the hands on experience to perform the task properly before they can teach someone how to do it.
Great video.
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Good tip
To my surprise this guy knows what he is talking about. :) I have been battling these misconceptions for almost 19 years now. Im glad other people are figuring it out. It has been real frustrating debating these things without any street cred. Now I can tell them to argue with this guy not me.
Haha yeh let’s send all the crazies to Anto! 🤣
The 90's traveling roadshow hitting clinics ruined a generation of American baseball players, and it has kind of taken computer nerds to bring a more natural approach and swing back into the game.
I used to spreach hitting down on the ball. I always thought I had a downward plane swing. Then one day my friend video taped me with a high quality slow motion camera. Nope! Feel vs Real!
Now I know why Matt edits his videos the way he does. That's how he acts live.
That is true dude hilarious to kno its not an editing issue lol hehehe!!
Yes, you are good.
Boys I think this is one of the best videos ive seen thank you
One of my rules when looking at hitters is that if they can keep their eyes level, the swing's probably good, almost regardless what else is happening. If you can swing without your head moving more than an inch or two that means you don't have to whip back and up because your hips didn't open or back and up because your shoulder flew open (it also means you have a steady view of the ball from release to contact).