You guys are such a big influence to what is possible on the internet in 2018..I've watched your channel grow from the 5k views on the old "Top 10" videos where it was just audio with card overlays for the videos to now 70k views on a single video with 150k subs, traveling, doing all the things that I bet you could've only imagined years ago. Keep up the great work! 🙏
General rule of thumb when dealing with infinite sacrifice engines: if you don't have graveyard hate to stop it, FOCUS YOUR REMOVAL ON THE SAC OUTLETS! Of all the combo pieces, the sac outlets are usually the hardest ones to recur/replace when neutralized, as they're fewer in number and many of them are noncreature permanents. Yes, I'm aware that the Shadowborn Apostles are all potential sac outlets, but as the game showed, Razaketh and Phyrexian Altar were the key pieces that allowed Josh to save his other key cards from exile/shuffle and combo off, respectively. Razaketh, in particular, not only "protected" both Edgewalker and Blood Artist, but also allowed Josh to tutor for whatever card he needed in order to maintain his engine and recur lost pieces.
So 4 years of cards later... and a reprint of our namesake card has brought me back to this. Bolas's Citadel seems like a good way to get all opponents in the danger zone to give apostles back.
Hey guys, awesome vid. Hey Josh I hope you get to see this. I highly suggest removing the Xathrid Necromancer and replacing it with a Rotlung Reanimator. its the same card but with minor differences. It activates when a cleric dies, and the most important part, your zombies come into play untapped!
really wish we had been able to see this deck get interacted with a bit more on Game Knights... felt like it just rolled the other three decks with ease.
You might be right, this deck might not be even that good and the other decks just didnt hit the ground running like he was. It could all have been luck but us the viewers seen how it works and wants to further improve that and learn from Josh. It was a really good episode. One of the best and I think that is because they used home brewed decks and not a theme they got requested to do.
Actually one of the reasons I play cranial extraction had a bad experience against athreos early in my commander career even if I don't know what my opponents I can go for staples like chromatic lantern
It was a pretty close game really. As the professor said, he was about to combo out on his next turn. One player getting mana screwed hurts the politics a lot also. And then there is the deck of random attacking. Everyone got to watch why those decks tend to do poorly. He had a lot of answers, but one of his main things, attacking with the voltron creature, he had no control over. Couldn't target the person who was ahead, nor could he hold back on the guy that was mana screwed and trying to catch up and maybe team up against the deck that was ahead.
To be fair, the play line is rather simple: get 6 SBA, use them to find a tutor demon, then tutor for something that helps you dig out an engine and keep going. This deck can be hated put in a much similar way as to many combos: graveyard hate. When the 6 SBA go to the yard the first time with Athreos triggers on the stack, nuke the graveyard. It takes a long time for that deck to get back to another 6 SBA and should die.
So my theory is that this game caused the price of apostle to go up AND leave many sites out of stock for them. Impressive. But I honestly do want the deck because it has my favorite color combo, sacrifice shenanigans and I'm pretty sure I could throw in a tribe engine in that super easily. Then there's so much I could love this even more. Draining life and gaining it is a fun way for me to win and yeah. I'll probably wait like a year to get this deck but I could run into someone that may not want it. Thanks for the great video guys!
48:45 This actually brings up a good question: why didn't you let Chaos Warp resolve, then immediately tutor for those cards again with Razaketh? You already used him to avoid the trigger, so I suppose it could be to get the other cards, but at the same time it gives you the potential to gain a new permanent without any real cost to you.
Deathwatcher77 he was in a bind because he was way behind, and he was willing to make a deal. Then he came up on a young man sawin on the orzhov and playin it hot.
Deathwatcher77 There should be a card called soul ring that is a sol ring but you have to sacrifice a creature when it enters the battlefield or you sacrifice it
Deathwatcher77 it would be the same except it is legal in 1v1 Commander and is a second copy of sol ring essentially or maybe it also has a second ability like 2: return target creature sacrificed with soul ring from the graveyard to the battlefield tapped under its owners control Or something like that
It’s cool that I ended up creating this deck several years ago. Found you guys maybe 2 months ago and one card I have in mine is Teysa Karlov. Doubles death triggers, so double demons, double Athreos damage, double Razaketh, double altar. It’s really amazing
I added aetherflux to combo with thrumming stone or another graveyard grabber. You can easily kill everyone in a 4 player game of commander with that combo. I also added altar of the brood to combo with phyrexian altar as an infinit mill combo. I replaced macabre waltz with phyrexian reclamation and added devout chaplain as an artifact and enchantment destroyer.
i loved watching jlk's deck during the game knights episode and it's so cool that it got a deck profile. it would be awesome to see the deck gets updated and improved and appear in another game knights episode, as well as another deck profile showing off the deck version 2.0!
Finding and buying Shadowborn Apostles has been fun since you guys brewed this deck! Everyone is ordering and pillaging local shops for 30 or better Shadowborn Apostles...LoL, you guys get paid to market?
I been playing almost the exact same deck You should consider "demon of dark schemes" I use it to bring back useful demons that somehow went to my graveyard and to go on a infinite loop with "Angel of glory rise"
I built this deck a while back, and was happy to see it played on Game Knights again. It's super fun to play, but can result in taking some long turns which might annoy your opponents. JLK plays it a lot fast than I do since he's been playing it for years, so maybe it's more an experience issue. If you don't like the drain mechanic as a win-con, I offer a couple of alternatives: Make 'em big: Cathar's Crusade, Coat of Arms, Door of Destinies (bonus for Cathar's because you can one-shot with Athreos) Sack 'em for lots of mana and cast big X spell: Torment of Hailfire (used with Black Market, Phyrexian Arena, Urborg/Cabal Coffers/Nykthos) It usually become pretty obvious which direction you want to go based on your card draw. Either way, it's a ton of fun, and it feels pretty good to get that 6th apostle on the board and start your engine. As you can see from the Game Knights episode, it's pretty agile in that it slides around a lot of the standard Commander responses.
This deck has so much value. Decks like these make me want to run a copy of lost legacy in every commander deck. I still want to see Jimmy's Neheb deck go off.
Already designing my coin flips matters deck. Izzet is always an amusing color combination and I love using it in ways that aren't usually thought of. Anyway, great episode breaking down a fun deck! I love combo type decks like this with such a fun mechanic! Thanks for sharing it with us.
Shadowing apostle made realize the utility of sever the bloodline. I play that card in all of my black decks now, because it's good against shadowborj apostle and token decks.
My buddy plays this deck and we play a lot of one vs. one. My best play against him was when playing my Kess of Betrayal deck. He had me at single digits and I top decked and main-phase cast Supplant Form on his Runescared, and used the tutor for my Rackdos Charm, cause he had finally got a Shadowborn in his yard, and I just knew he was going to try to Secret Salvage it on his turn. I exiled his yard in response to the Secret Salvage and won the game by the skin of my teeth using his own cards against him. Priceless.
I've been piloting different apostle decks for about 5 years, White/Green are so powerful its almost necessary. Blue is nice for countermagic, but red is great for Purphuros style effects and wheels :)
tendrils of agony only drains one person, so you usually only kill 1-2 people with thrumming stone or one rotation with edgewalker or stuff like that, but it's still really good, especially when you go infinite, which you tend to do quite reliably. awesome deck JLK, keep up the good work!
Cool deck, I've also had a similar one forever. Two things I'd suggest are Gary and Nykthos, as you can get really high devotion easily with apostles / grave pact. And also, maybe a Pitiless Plunderer, though I haven't tried that one myself. And Cabal Stronghold would probably also be an easy inclusion now that Dominaria is out.
Anyone else coming to check out this deck tech after the double masters 2022 reprint? Also @TheCommandZone would love to see what Josh’s updated version of the deck looks like after all the new cards that have been printed over the years!
I have been playing this decl since 2015 and I can confirm that 30 is the sweet spot for this style of playing shadowborn with Athreos. I play with 31.
I want to build the coinflip commander deck. Call it; Izzet Heads or Tails? Also: I can see Bontu's Monument being useful when someone's trying to slow you down by playing taxes.
Not sure if this video helped but Shadowborn apostle basically sold out everywhere now locally and online (SCG, CFB and Card Kingdom have 2 copies combined lol). Oh and the card is $2.50 for a common from a core set lol. Well done Josh/Jimmy :)
my friend is actually running Tymna the Weaver + Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa as his apostles commanders! The extra draw power is a godsend for apostles and Sidar ensures they connect! The green is huge for Bloodbond March!
Uuuh, this deck is sweet. But surgical extraction might just kill the whole plan right away... :-) btw Jimmy, your Hair looks sweet as well. ;-) Oh, and against life gain... There's a demon called archfiend of despair, which I play in my own build of this deck. archfiend of despair prevents opponents from gaining life.
Fair im my group and even my lgs allows them and infact its to the point i can print out a whole deck and play it at fnm EDH, its just i get no prizes and people who come second get the prize. i offered to pay entry not to get prizes just to support the store (not . but they said no) There was only one person at the store that was upset with this news but he brings teir 1 cEDH to what is essentially a very casual play environment. I can understand why he's upset though as he has paid above and beyond the price for entry and invested so much money and im going to be using some of the cards he has spent so much money on its ridiculous (he proxies his cards to protect them but he does bring and own them) so im going to print out a deck on photo paper janky expensive fun and probs another like it on 0.300mm card paper using digital alters and things. ill still be sleeving them up ive made a template for scibus so i can drag and drop 2 cards per 6x4 photo (5aud for a 100 cards) and there was already an a4 for available if i go for the thicker card at a printing store if they allow it. (10aud) im going to be selling my real mtg collection soon i think.
I think rally the ancestors would be quite good in this deck actually. Bring al of them back fro 3 mana, then sac them right away so they dont get exiled... also, bring something else in a moment of need paying a bit more mana, and with that much sacrifice cards, you can just sac everything, and force somebody to put all of those back in your hand
Josh! You should either run this card instead of, or in addition to, Xanthrid necromancer. ROTLUNG REANIMATOR. Same thing but triggers on clerics and the zombies are untapped! Hope you see this!
If you still have the deck take that monument out for all those reasons you said and instead use "Pious Evangel / Wayward Disciple". It nets in 1 extra mana cost (asuming it got cost reduced by Edgewalker) but it can be reanimated by the Angel among other things. Starts off winning you life with no damage to your enemies (like half Bloodartist), so it tends to fly under the radar. It looks like you circle Apostels for pure life gain, then you transform it and it becomes the damage half instead.
Hey Josh, with Battlebond comming on, do you have any plans on adding Archfiend of Despair to the deck? It synergyzes really well with Athreos' passive.
I feel like ever since this episode went up all I've been facing on Untap is decks like this. Maybe it's just me and my bad luck . . . but my Nicol Bolas deck does not fare well against these types of decks. Time to use one of my own to combat this madness! 🤓😏😜 (BTW, love your videos. Keep it up!)
Bontu's Monument is already covered, Oketra's Monument would create a 1/1 you can sacrifice every time you recast Shadowborn, Rhonas's Monument would let you give your indestructible commander +2/+2 every time you recast a Shadowborn which would give you a commander damage win condition very easy.
I am using a Rotlung Reanimator in my version of this deck. Basically a second Xathrid Necromancer. It is hilarious to use the Apostle ability and generate 2 zombies per Apostle.
Also: you totally fucked up on the effect of Tendrils of Agony. But a great video, nontheless. EDIT: Never mind, me and some other people seems to have fucked up. Since it's a storm trigger and you can cast it multiple times, I assume you can also choose new targets with it.
I don't know if someone put this. I didn't go throw all the coments but @JoshLeeKwai Is it not better to put rotlung reanimator instead of the Xathrid? You would get the tokens untapped since the apostle is also cleric.
I'm not a person who had seen all episods of the Command Zone and maybe it was mentioned earlier. But looking this deck tech back I thought that Shadowborn Apostle deck may run one additional battle plan (and an aditional wincon) with the Liliana's Contract from M19.
A friend of mine has a remembrance sneak attack deck using creatures that shuffle themselves back in on death triggers. It works wonders. Also, why not teysa, orzhov scion instead of that zombie maker? It gives you 2 creatures to sac but also gives you removal for any annoying creatures on the board that might hurt your gameplan.
Some cards that can combat against this deck decently while being good against other decks that I can think of are soul sisters, Suture Priest, Falkenrath Noble and Blood Artist since they don't care if the dying creature is yours or not, Pestilence and Pyrohemia probably and cards that give constant -1/-1 to creatures like Elesh Norn. Deck is resilient against single target removals and wraths, but constant punishing effects like these can be difficult to play around.
I find it interesting that you guys didnt mention the graveyard replacement effects in the section about playing against this deck. Cards like Leyline of the Void, Rest in Peace, and Abzan Anafenza completely turn this deck off. Actually it was one of my friends who has an Anafenza commander deck that made me retire this deck because she just makes the whole deck do nothing.
Great deck (and looked great on Game Knights) - but for some reason it's making me think I should put Meddling Mage and Nevermore back into my decks ;)
I'm going to try to use Overseer of the Damned, and Archfiend of Depravity. I like their effects, and to save some money I'm going to use as many cards that I already own before buying the core cards that this deck is built around.
Josh, you've said you feel 2 more Shadowborn Apostles are needed for the deck... If so, what cards are you thinking of cutting to make room for those 2???
Great deck, may consider vulnerability to enchantments. Removal needed. Pyrohemia, Humility, or even a simple Curse of Deaths Hold or Engineered Plague. Great, aggressive, insanely awesome deck, though.
so happy to see this deck get revisited i built my own version of the deck very similar concepts. have u thought about dark tutelage in the deck for draw help
I was really sad when I figured out Shadowborn Apostle wasn't the preview card. We need a Shadowborn Apostle reprint SO BAD. Almost 2 bucks for a common printed in m14, thats nuts.
How reliant is the deck on Atheros being out? Would it be a viable strategy to just keep exiling Atheros until it's too expensive to cast again at which point getting your Shadowborn Apostles back becomes much more difficult?
Oh nice, quite a few people in my group tend to test out decks that did well in someones video... good thing my zur runs solidary confinement and nevermore haha
Can you guys please, please acknowledge the pervasive card quality issue that is effecting the cards from Dominaria too? I just bought a box and the coils have “Pringled” and the rest are severely warped! I got a Karen and a teferi and cannot even use them with sleeves.
I feel like playing a card like Lost Legacy or some other kind of mass exile of a specific card is viable, but it doesn't feel like something to do in more of a casual format.
You guys are such a big influence to what is possible on the internet in 2018..I've watched your channel grow from the 5k views on the old "Top 10" videos where it was just audio with card overlays for the videos to now 70k views on a single video with 150k subs, traveling, doing all the things that I bet you could've only imagined years ago.
Keep up the great work! 🙏
And to now having 548k subs
4:15 to skip ads and watch the Battlebond Preview
22:20 to Watch what we all came here for
Thank you so much
Not all heroes wear capes
General rule of thumb when dealing with infinite sacrifice engines: if you don't have graveyard hate to stop it, FOCUS YOUR REMOVAL ON THE SAC OUTLETS!
Of all the combo pieces, the sac outlets are usually the hardest ones to recur/replace when neutralized, as they're fewer in number and many of them are noncreature permanents.
Yes, I'm aware that the Shadowborn Apostles are all potential sac outlets, but as the game showed, Razaketh and Phyrexian Altar were the key pieces that allowed Josh to save his other key cards from exile/shuffle and combo off, respectively. Razaketh, in particular, not only "protected" both Edgewalker and Blood Artist, but also allowed Josh to tutor for whatever card he needed in order to maintain his engine and recur lost pieces.
So 4 years of cards later... and a reprint of our namesake card has brought me back to this.
Bolas's Citadel seems like a good way to get all opponents in the danger zone to give apostles back.
Me too man I just got this deck, playing it for the first time tonight!
22:20 topic starts but you'd be skipping LEGENDary pack openings.
Thanks
I don't know if this was mentioned, but aetherflux reservoir is insane in this deck.
Isn’t necessary if you’re going infinite with shadowborn apostle and athreos
@@Worldly_Pitfall3 just another value life gain / wincon I think it’s great add to this
Hey guys, awesome vid. Hey Josh I hope you get to see this. I highly suggest removing the Xathrid Necromancer and replacing it with a Rotlung Reanimator. its the same card but with minor differences. It activates when a cleric dies, and the most important part, your zombies come into play untapped!
really wish we had been able to see this deck get interacted with a bit more on Game Knights... felt like it just rolled the other three decks with ease.
You might be right, this deck might not be even that good and the other decks just didnt hit the ground running like he was. It could all have been luck but us the viewers seen how it works and wants to further improve that and learn from Josh. It was a really good episode. One of the best and I think that is because they used home brewed decks and not a theme they got requested to do.
I'm more curious about Jimmy's deck since it didn't even play
Actually one of the reasons I play cranial extraction had a bad experience against athreos early in my commander career even if I don't know what my opponents I can go for staples like chromatic lantern
It was a pretty close game really. As the professor said, he was about to combo out on his next turn. One player getting mana screwed hurts the politics a lot also.
And then there is the deck of random attacking. Everyone got to watch why those decks tend to do poorly. He had a lot of answers, but one of his main things, attacking with the voltron creature, he had no control over. Couldn't target the person who was ahead, nor could he hold back on the guy that was mana screwed and trying to catch up and maybe team up against the deck that was ahead.
To be fair, the play line is rather simple: get 6 SBA, use them to find a tutor demon, then tutor for something that helps you dig out an engine and keep going.
This deck can be hated put in a much similar way as to many combos: graveyard hate.
When the 6 SBA go to the yard the first time with Athreos triggers on the stack, nuke the graveyard.
It takes a long time for that deck to get back to another 6 SBA and should die.
So my theory is that this game caused the price of apostle to go up AND leave many sites out of stock for them. Impressive. But I honestly do want the deck because it has my favorite color combo, sacrifice shenanigans and I'm pretty sure I could throw in a tribe engine in that super easily. Then there's so much I could love this even more. Draining life and gaining it is a fun way for me to win and yeah. I'll probably wait like a year to get this deck but I could run into someone that may not want it. Thanks for the great video guys!
Really appreciate the quicker intros lately. Totally noticeable and makes the episodes flow better. Nice work.
48:45 This actually brings up a good question: why didn't you let Chaos Warp resolve, then immediately tutor for those cards again with Razaketh? You already used him to avoid the trigger, so I suppose it could be to get the other cards, but at the same time it gives you the potential to gain a new permanent without any real cost to you.
The devil went down to the command zone,
He was lookin for a soul ring to steal,
Deathwatcher77 he was in a bind because he was way behind, and he was willing to make a deal.
Then he came up on a young man sawin on the orzhov and playin it hot.
Bob The Gaming Taco he said "young boy let this resolve or the orzhov player will win let me tell you what!"
Deathwatcher77 There should be a card called soul ring that is a sol ring but you have to sacrifice a creature when it enters the battlefield or you sacrifice it
99% GAMER Would it just be the same other than that? Or would it have a better effect due to having to sacrifice?
Deathwatcher77 it would be the same except it is legal in 1v1 Commander and is a second copy of sol ring essentially or maybe it also has a second ability like
2: return target creature sacrificed with soul ring from the graveyard to the battlefield tapped under its owners control
Or something like that
I like how everyone else has their commander behind them in the game knights thumbnail but Josh has the shadowborn apostle.
It’s cool that I ended up creating this deck several years ago. Found you guys maybe 2 months ago and one card I have in mine is Teysa Karlov. Doubles death triggers, so double demons, double Athreos damage, double Razaketh, double altar. It’s really amazing
Drivnod, Carnage Dominus now does the same thing for one more mana!
The deck seemed so resilient; that's part of what drew me to it. It was so fun watching it go off.
They knew what we wanted lol
Was about to comment this exact thing. That deck was just straight up bonkers!
I added aetherflux to combo with thrumming stone or another graveyard grabber. You can easily kill everyone in a 4 player game of commander with that combo. I also added altar of the brood to combo with phyrexian altar as an infinit mill combo. I replaced macabre waltz with phyrexian reclamation and added devout chaplain as an artifact and enchantment destroyer.
i loved watching jlk's deck during the game knights episode and it's so cool that it got a deck profile. it would be awesome to see the deck gets updated and improved and appear in another game knights episode, as well as another deck profile showing off the deck version 2.0!
BattleBond is such an awesome set for us commander players, I'm so hyped!
LedPESRule the black 'you can't lose the game this turn' bahahaha
I'm looking forward to testing cheering fanatic in cEdh same for the blue black land.
I conveniently need a doubling season
When does the Jimmy's haircut Kickstarter page go up?
good question xD
With 3 sponsors and with a patreon they should have plenty of money. Still wondering why they still got patreon
the point of patreon is to give back to the creators of content you consume
God speed
Finding and buying Shadowborn Apostles has been fun since you guys brewed this deck! Everyone is ordering and pillaging local shops for 30 or better Shadowborn Apostles...LoL, you guys get paid to market?
Stephen Miller got my 32 copies about a month ago 👍🏻
I been playing almost the exact same deck
You should consider "demon of dark schemes" I use it to bring back useful demons that somehow went to my graveyard and to go on a infinite loop with "Angel of glory rise"
I built this deck a while back, and was happy to see it played on Game Knights again. It's super fun to play, but can result in taking some long turns which might annoy your opponents. JLK plays it a lot fast than I do since he's been playing it for years, so maybe it's more an experience issue.
If you don't like the drain mechanic as a win-con, I offer a couple of alternatives:
Make 'em big: Cathar's Crusade, Coat of Arms, Door of Destinies (bonus for Cathar's because you can one-shot with Athreos)
Sack 'em for lots of mana and cast big X spell: Torment of Hailfire (used with Black Market, Phyrexian Arena, Urborg/Cabal Coffers/Nykthos)
It usually become pretty obvious which direction you want to go based on your card draw. Either way, it's a ton of fun, and it feels pretty good to get that 6th apostle on the board and start your engine. As you can see from the Game Knights episode, it's pretty agile in that it slides around a lot of the standard Commander responses.
This deck has so much value. Decks like these make me want to run a copy of lost legacy in every commander deck. I still want to see Jimmy's Neheb deck go off.
Already designing my coin flips matters deck. Izzet is always an amusing color combination and I love using it in ways that aren't usually thought of.
Anyway, great episode breaking down a fun deck! I love combo type decks like this with such a fun mechanic! Thanks for sharing it with us.
The Magic of Magic the Gathering Too bad Kark's Thumb exploded in price.
Dark Salvage was form Aether revolt. Tendrils of Agony targets a single player.
Yeah, I was surprised that they overlooked that detail as well.
That is a neat detail that I did not realise was available. That makes tendrils much better.
Shadowing apostle made realize the utility of sever the bloodline. I play that card in all of my black decks now, because it's good against shadowborj apostle and token decks.
Was that a Charlie Daniels' Devil Went Down To Georgia opening?? Nicely done mouth violin 😂😂
My buddy plays this deck and we play a lot of one vs. one. My best play against him was when playing my Kess of Betrayal deck. He had me at single digits and I top decked and main-phase cast Supplant Form on his Runescared, and used the tutor for my Rackdos Charm, cause he had finally got a Shadowborn in his yard, and I just knew he was going to try to Secret Salvage it on his turn. I exiled his yard in response to the Secret Salvage and won the game by the skin of my teeth using his own cards against him. Priceless.
I've been piloting different apostle decks for about 5 years, White/Green are so powerful its almost necessary. Blue is nice for countermagic, but red is great for Purphuros style effects and wheels :)
Josh has one hell of a brutal game. I'd love to see his strongest deck in action sometime!
tendrils of agony only drains one person, so you usually only kill 1-2 people with thrumming stone or one rotation with edgewalker or stuff like that, but it's still really good, especially when you go infinite, which you tend to do quite reliably. awesome deck JLK, keep up the good work!
Each individual copy can target a different player. With a high enough storm count, you can drain everyone.
Cool deck, I've also had a similar one forever. Two things I'd suggest are Gary and Nykthos, as you can get really high devotion easily with apostles / grave pact. And also, maybe a Pitiless Plunderer, though I haven't tried that one myself. And Cabal Stronghold would probably also be an easy inclusion now that Dominaria is out.
this deck is so imaginative and awesome! would love to see more decks with these sort of interesting mechanics
The stock of shadow born appostle dropped by10% at cardmarket
Try 100%
Anyone else coming to check out this deck tech after the double masters 2022 reprint?
Also @TheCommandZone would love to see what Josh’s updated version of the deck looks like after all the new cards that have been printed over the years!
I have been playing this decl since 2015 and I can confirm that 30 is the sweet spot for this style of playing shadowborn with Athreos. I play with 31.
I want to build the coinflip commander deck. Call it; Izzet Heads or Tails?
Also: I can see Bontu's Monument being useful when someone's trying to slow you down by playing taxes.
Im planing to do a double headed giant whit Shadow born apostles and call the duo
“The church of shadows”
This black white deck is awesome! Insanely cool thank you for showing it.
Not sure if this video helped but Shadowborn apostle basically sold out everywhere now locally and online (SCG, CFB and Card Kingdom have 2 copies combined lol). Oh and the card is $2.50 for a common from a core set lol. Well done Josh/Jimmy :)
my friend is actually running Tymna the Weaver + Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa as his apostles commanders! The extra draw power is a godsend for apostles and Sidar ensures they connect!
The green is huge for Bloodbond March!
I expanded out to blue for countermagic to protect my dudes, but the Kondo tech is awesome though! (Tymna is also a Human Cleric for dat tribal!)
I expanded out to blue for countermagic to protect my dudes, but the Kondo tech is awesome though! (Tymna is also a Human Cleric for dat tribal!)
Best follow up to an insanely fun Game Knights
So glad I got my playmat today! Also, I’m on the process of building this deck! I think it’ll be a fun addition to our meta
ahhh permutations for flipping coins... classic discrete math question from college :D
"You have to have very specific counterspells to deal with storm."
And that's why I love Flusterstorm!
Uuuh, this deck is sweet. But surgical extraction might just kill the whole plan right away... :-) btw Jimmy, your Hair looks sweet as well. ;-) Oh, and against life gain... There's a demon called archfiend of despair, which I play in my own build of this deck. archfiend of despair prevents opponents from gaining life.
Patrick Gambler Lost Legacy, I think is the name of the card, also wrecks it pretty badly
Patrick Gambler yea but who tf plays surgical cuz it legit does nothing but dealing w shadowborn apostle in commander
I know this is an old comment but if you remove 30 cards you leave nothing but lands and good stuff
Look, another video that is going to empty my wallet on cardboard!
proxy
In my group, we don't allow proxies
Fair im my group and even my lgs allows them and infact its to the point i can print out a whole deck and play it at fnm EDH, its just i get no prizes and people who come second get the prize. i offered to pay entry not to get prizes just to support the store (not . but they said no)
There was only one person at the store that was upset with this news but he brings teir 1 cEDH to what is essentially a very casual play environment. I can understand why he's upset though as he has paid above and beyond the price for entry and invested so much money and im going to be using some of the cards he has spent so much money on its ridiculous (he proxies his cards to protect them but he does bring and own them)
so im going to print out a deck on photo paper janky expensive fun and probs another like it on 0.300mm card paper using digital alters and things. ill still be sleeving them up
ive made a template for scibus so i can drag and drop 2 cards per 6x4 photo (5aud for a 100 cards) and there was already an a4 for available if i go for the thicker card at a printing store if they allow it. (10aud)
im going to be selling my real mtg collection soon i think.
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I was able to get 40 shadowborn apostle for around 1 buck card when khans of tarkir just came out,
I think rally the ancestors would be quite good in this deck actually. Bring al of them back fro 3 mana, then sac them right away so they dont get exiled... also, bring something else in a moment of need paying a bit more mana, and with that much sacrifice cards, you can just sac everything, and force somebody to put all of those back in your hand
Josh! You should either run this card instead of, or in addition to, Xanthrid necromancer. ROTLUNG REANIMATOR. Same thing but triggers on clerics and the zombies are untapped! Hope you see this!
Sweet clerks reference at the beginning. BEERRSERKER
If you still have the deck take that monument out for all those reasons you said and instead use "Pious Evangel / Wayward Disciple".
It nets in 1 extra mana cost (asuming it got cost reduced by Edgewalker) but it can be reanimated by the Angel among other things. Starts off winning you life with no damage to your enemies (like half Bloodartist), so it tends to fly under the radar. It looks like you circle Apostels for pure life gain, then you transform it and it becomes the damage half instead.
It That Betrays. I shall be taking those apostles, thank you very much.
I run it in my Apostle deck. Paired with grave pact it's disgusting
Im hoping VRV comes to Canada soon so I can get in and use your code. Also, Jimmy looks like he's still not over what happened in that game.
Dang, sorry you got your preview sniped by the promos leaking :/
How to really shadowborn:
Make a shadowborn apostle deck with 0 demons.
They won't see it comin'
I make it with 1
Don’t even make it with shawdowborn
It has really consistent draws
I love these Deck Tech videos. This needs to become a thing.
That deck is amazing and I might build me a version of it when I finish my first commander deck.
Hey Josh, with Battlebond comming on, do you have any plans on adding Archfiend of Despair to the deck? It synergyzes really well with Athreos' passive.
Great opening song! Loved it! And congrats on the Battlebond preview!
I feel like ever since this episode went up all I've been facing on Untap is decks like this. Maybe it's just me and my bad luck . . . but my Nicol Bolas deck does not fare well against these types of decks. Time to use one of my own to combat this madness! 🤓😏😜
(BTW, love your videos. Keep it up!)
We REALLY need a shadowborn apostle reprint...
It's a dollar card common come on...
OOM- 32 other commons are over $5.
sloth9669 but you don't need about 30 to 40 on your deck
OOM-32 But needing 30 to 40 in your deck is precisely why they cost so much, because it drastically increases demand.
Hence the need of a reprint for it
Yeah it’s almost $5 now
I got the intro song so quickly, don't know if I should be happy or ashamed.
Bontu's Monument is already covered, Oketra's Monument would create a 1/1 you can sacrifice every time you recast Shadowborn, Rhonas's Monument would let you give your indestructible commander +2/+2 every time you recast a Shadowborn which would give you a commander damage win condition very easy.
I am using a Rotlung Reanimator in my version of this deck. Basically a second Xathrid Necromancer. It is hilarious to use the Apostle ability and generate 2 zombies per Apostle.
Minute 53:00. Jimmy changed to many lands for the shiny things out, as Gameknights is proofing over and over again. :D
Oh my god, he named it after I stopped pausing this video fro writing my comment.
Also: you totally fucked up on the effect of Tendrils of Agony. But a great video, nontheless.
EDIT: Never mind, me and some other people seems to have fucked up. Since it's a storm trigger and you can cast it multiple times, I assume you can also choose new targets with it.
I don't know if someone put this. I didn't go throw all the coments but @JoshLeeKwai Is it not better to put rotlung reanimator instead of the Xathrid? You would get the tokens untapped since the apostle is also cleric.
I think this may be my favorite deck on Game Knights!
Glad I bought most of this deck list last month.
I'm not a person who had seen all episods of the Command Zone and maybe it was mentioned earlier. But looking this deck tech back I thought that Shadowborn Apostle deck may run one additional battle plan (and an aditional wincon) with the Liliana's Contract from M19.
Chains of mephistophilies is a staple in competitive edh for generals like tasigur and gitrog that git around the effect.
Krark’s thumb with Zndrsplt and okaum is insane. My new brew
My favorite Real LIfe partners are Daniel and Henrick Sedin... but sadly they retired this year :(
Can you put your new deck in somewhere? I will see it. It's my favorite deck. With all, and if you could, with sideboard. So amazing, thanks for all
Not to interested about the team part about Battle Bond, but MAN some of the reprints are A M A Z I N G!
A friend of mine has a remembrance sneak attack deck using creatures that shuffle themselves back in on death triggers. It works wonders.
Also, why not teysa, orzhov scion instead of that zombie maker? It gives you 2 creatures to sac but also gives you removal for any annoying creatures on the board that might hurt your gameplan.
Zndrsplt with karnak’s thumb. That would be great.
Some cards that can combat against this deck decently while being good against other decks that I can think of are soul sisters, Suture Priest, Falkenrath Noble and Blood Artist since they don't care if the dying creature is yours or not, Pestilence and Pyrohemia probably and cards that give constant -1/-1 to creatures like Elesh Norn. Deck is resilient against single target removals and wraths, but constant punishing effects like these can be difficult to play around.
I would also definitely recommend Rotlung Reanimator as a strictly better Xathrid Necromancer.
I find it interesting that you guys didnt mention the graveyard replacement effects in the section about playing against this deck. Cards like Leyline of the Void, Rest in Peace, and Abzan Anafenza completely turn this deck off.
Actually it was one of my friends who has an Anafenza commander deck that made me retire this deck because she just makes the whole deck do nothing.
Great deck (and looked great on Game Knights) - but for some reason it's making me think I should put Meddling Mage and Nevermore back into my decks ;)
I'm going to try to use Overseer of the Damned, and Archfiend of Depravity. I like their effects, and to save some money I'm going to use as many cards that I already own before buying the core cards that this deck is built around.
Josh, you've said you feel 2 more Shadowborn Apostles are needed for the deck...
If so, what cards are you thinking of cutting to make room for those 2???
I use gift of immortality with Rune-Carver so I can keep sacrificing him on everyone's turn and tutor into whatever cards work for the situation
You guys should consider doing an episode of game knights where you all use decks built within a budget
That GK episode is what made shadowborn apostle skyrocket in price.
Love the playmat. Great episode guys. Keep it up.
Great deck, may consider vulnerability to enchantments. Removal needed. Pyrohemia, Humility, or even a simple Curse of Deaths Hold or Engineered Plague. Great, aggressive, insanely awesome deck, though.
They should totally errata Gisela and Bruna so they both can be your parthner commanders.
Forsure, it's bullshit
so happy to see this deck get revisited i built my own version of the deck very similar concepts. have u thought about dark tutelage in the deck for draw help
I was really sad when I figured out Shadowborn Apostle wasn't the preview card. We need a Shadowborn Apostle reprint SO BAD. Almost 2 bucks for a common printed in m14, thats nuts.
How reliant is the deck on Atheros being out? Would it be a viable strategy to just keep exiling Atheros until it's too expensive to cast again at which point getting your Shadowborn Apostles back becomes much more difficult?
Oh nice, quite a few people in my group tend to test out decks that did well in someones video... good thing my zur runs solidary confinement and nevermore haha
I would love to see an athreos persist deck. 'Wanna send it to my graveyard?' Lol
Battlebond looks pretty nice. I like the art becauae its so special and the mechanics look pretty cool
Really neat with the packs, but I'm super excited for the battlebond set!
Can you guys please, please acknowledge the pervasive card quality issue that is effecting the cards from Dominaria too? I just bought a box and the coils have “Pringled” and the rest are severely warped! I got a Karen and a teferi and cannot even use them with sleeves.
I feel like playing a card like Lost Legacy or some other kind of mass exile of a specific card is viable, but it doesn't feel like something to do in more of a casual format.
Have you thought about running Aetherworks Reservoir? Like you could gain so much life, when you are repeatedly casting Apostles
Wait, are you guys doing another Commander Meet Up at GP Vegas like last year? I'm trying to plan my trip and this was so much fun last year!