@@WhenGoatsWentBaa He couldn't feel anything. Heat, cold, taste, pain, ANYTHING. That is not living. Baldur found life in death, he died happy knowing he could feel
Kratos did a favor for both, saved Freya's life and did a favor to Baldr by freeing him from his immortality. I think Kratos did what must be done, Freya must to live as she will play an important role in the progress of the Norse world. I don't think she will kill Kratos, I think she will join them at some point to take down Asgard as they are the ones that caused this, banished her race, set anxiety leading to her binding the "curse" on her own son.
I think Freya does understand that it needed to happen, but grief makes you say and do irrational things. She'll either join Kratos and Atreus after some fights probably or she'll go full Kratos and die after apologizing.
Ironically Atreus aka Loki is the one that brings about Ragnarok i.e the Twilight of the Gods upon the nine realms. He literally becomes his father’s past self, bringing the death of the Norse gods. However, he may do it as obligation than revenge since it’s prophesied that he has to do it anyway.
"I killed my father." Weeellll Kratos... lets not forget your first wife, daughter, mother, both uncles, all your half-siblings and you know the rest...
Sum Gai One thing thatk ind of bugs me about the original god of wars. Out of the entire greek pantheon that we slice/bang our way through we somehow just miss Artemis.
@@UnholyWrath3277 In fairness, Zeus does show remorse when killing him in GOW2. It's when Kratos gets to the point of actually assaulting Olympus that he really stops caring. He also clearly shows remorse after the spirit of Pandora's Box leaves him
I like the small touch of how Kratos' eyes soften just before and after he says "and many who were not." It's clear he's not just thinking about his wife and daughter, but the many, many, MANY innocent people who suffered and died for the sake of his revenge. People he killed or let die without a second look. He REALLY has matured since then.
I believe the only reason Kratos killed Baldur was not to only protect Freya but to stop the cycle of gods killing their parents. The sins of the parent is was fuels the rage of the god the most in both Greek and Norse mythology. It's what makes them into monstrosities, something only Kratos sees that other gods don't and that's why he did what he did. to prevent what Kratos once did to the Greek Pantheon.
@@asuraspath2262 Not to mention the twist that the evils Kratos unleashed from pandora's box in gow1 plagued the gods. No wonder zeus tried to kill kratos, he was plagued with fear but after kratos beat the evil out of zeus, his rage made him continued to beat zeus to death and zeus' real intentions and thought didn't reach kratos' ears. They never got to talk it out and things would've gone different had athena knew that hope went inside of kratos and the evils went to the other gods.
I don't think Freya will end up being a villain. She seemed angry at Kratos but not Atreus. I don't see Freya wanting to kill another child that she helped save just for revenge.
AGhostInTheWild I think she might be a boss fight in the next game but it will end up being kind of like the Deimos fight where she comes to her senses and begins to help them again.
I think they'll both get her to see reason in a future game. I feel like a lot of her hatred is just anger and grief that she needs time to burn through. Like Mimir said basically.
The creators have said that even those who weren't directly killed by Kratos still probably died after the fall of Olympus and the death of Zeus. @Joseph Sosa
The tragedy of Freya is that all she did, she did it for herself, her own comfort, her own relief, her own peace of mind, and she never acknowledged Baldur's pain as being real, or valid, or more important than her own judgment.
I feel like she knew the prophecy that Baldur will die and then Ragnarok is near. As a mother, it made her paranoid. she did her best on not getting him killed but at a great price. Baldur's fate is inevitable and she's just in denial.
@@BENR8108 dude stop projecting. Wtf do you mean this explain liberals? This Is my problem with some of you right wingers, you fundamentally refuses to use your fucking brain to actually understand that stupid generalisation arent facts. You say dumb shit and think that makes you smart just because it sounds harsh
@@Anyonewho87 The Last Spartan, who I think is the one called Atreus. Kratos just told his son that Spartan Atreus died in battle to hide the fact that he killed him himself.
Look at Freya's face when she slowly realizes that Atreus doesn't know yet. She was straight up about to snitch on Kratos. Fortunately, he wasn't gonna give her that. *" B O I "*
There’s a difference though Kratos is just hiding his own post but she forcibly made bouldr unable to feel pain also if you think about it it was either he dies or she dies and he dies because after he killed her, does she think he would’ve just left Kratos alone we all know that he was after them long before he saw his mother.
Jesse Willason Ummm... no. The Vanir are known for their tremendous magical abilities. So Kratos might be in for a nasty surprise. Also Kratos is most likely weaker than he was when he decimated Greek Pantheon. Since he stabbed himself with the blade which contained his God powers, and he released those powers and the power of Hope to the world.
Yeah but the Greeks in total power of each god seperatly would totally destroy the Norse gods and kratos faced them down as only a demigod he lost his true god powers at the start of gow2 in not playing favorites here in descended from Vikings but I know the power of the Greeks and really look at medusa nothing worse than that the Norse are just kill happy and get high on blood they would just try and kill him and that won't work
And besides its all a moot point anyway there is a saying there is always someone stronger there are other gods in other games stronger dnd/elder scrolls so on so forth kratos comparatively is really weak
And there are only 3 vanir and they are of the seasons and njord is the god of the sea Frey is the god of summer the real freya is the goddess of spring those are the vanir
Jesse Willason I don't know how we would compare two mythologies in real life but we also don't know how the Norse gods are scaled to the Greek gods in the game. So I assume Odin is as strong as Zeus, Thor as Ares etc. Unless I see a guide or an interview from Santa Monica Studios, that states otherwise, I'm going to assume they're equal or at least comparable.
@A regular piece of shit funny that Hel's mentioned; and given the Jotunheim reveal, must be an awkward moment for the Queen of the Dishonored Dead to receive grandpa.
@A regular piece of shit Atreus is Loki in the God of War universe, making Farbauti represented through Kratos because of his reputation as "Godslayer". As for the grandpa element, Loki is Hel's father; and because of the reveal, that would make Kratos be the grandpa of the Queen of Helheim.
@@DarsiPadilla the fact that Freya in the myths goes to Hel to beg for Baldur to be revived... Honey you fucked up threatening her grandpa no way is she gonna bring back the guy who tried to kill her whole family (Kratos, Atreus her brother Jörmungandr)
At least Baldur finally got his wish... Just to feel all that is, that was. At least he died happy knowing his Witch mother's spell was broken by little Loki.
Showgingah Yeah, but since this is god of war, kratos is gonna fuck up the time line of the mythology. Magni and modi were one of the few survivors of ragnarok, but they're already dead here
Bruce Doyle he kinda did. "I killed many who were deserving...and many who are not." Clear indication that he killed his family, even if Arteus doesn't figure it out.
Not really, i mean sure obviously his Wife and daughter are part of the not deserving list, but he didnt full on mentioned his Wife and Daughter to his Son, thats what i was hoping, telling Atreus abit more about his past and seeing Atreus reaction about his dead half Sister.
Damn I was hoping Kratos mentioning Calliope ,her daughter, to Atreus so that he will know his sister more. Step siblings since Calliope and Atreus had different mothers
The reason he didn't could also have to do with how maybe it has nothing to do with it. Remember that his daughter was barely a god while Atreus is much different than his half sister. Since he was bought into the fold early on with him being half god and half giant it could explain why he didn't mention them(since at the time he was mortal making his daughter also mortal), as the other family he's killed were all divine.
The strangest thing about this is that, despite the fact that whatever action Kratos took in the Greek era was absolutely abhorrent and disgusting at best, I have to admit that Kratos in this game actually did the RIGHT THING because we all know that Freya managed to save his son way before and Kratos actually owes her a debt of gratitude. It's this reason alone that he decides to take no other viable option but to kill Baldur and spare Freya's life, giving Kratos a true sense of humanity despite its tragic and troubling outcome.
The only issue with that logic is that Freya saved Atreus without any desire for anything. She saw Kratos and Atreus as the avenue for getting back to Baldur and trying to reconcile what she did, even though she still believed that taking away Baldur's pain and making him immortal was the right thing to do in order to protect him. In many ways, allowing Baldur to kill Freya would've actually been a better act of kindness than killing Baldur and starting Ragnarok. Now, don't misunderstand, I believe Kratos has undoubtedly changed since the original trilogy, but you have to admit that in circumstances like this, he does immediately rush to killing more than anything else. Granted, he gave Baldur plenty of chances to walk away, but Baldur was so filled with rage and hatred for Freya, that it would've almost seemed dishonorable to both Freya and Baldur to kill him rather than let Baldur kill Freya and let Baldur walk away. Remember, Baldur got what he wanted which was to feel again, and he didn't care about anything else, much less Odin's desire to get to Jotunheim. Baldur even said it, "why do you even care. You could've walked away." Baldure was just a grunt interested in a selfish goal, but despite that, it was an issue that wasn't Kratos's concern and he should've walked away. But hey, one man's opinion here.
Ok to be fair, the Greek Pantheon absolutely deserved what happened to them. Kratos just took it way to far and killed FAR more people than he needed to
+CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES !!! And he has the blessing of the valkyries too. She did say she would bring hell upon him, so that remains atleast. To be seen how.
But Kratos and Ares vary widely in their choice of killing freyas family from ares to Kratos family. Kratos did the right thing, where ares was feuled purely by selfishness and power
That "you will never change" "then you do not know me" is such a powerful line from Kratos, it shows that even he's aware just how different he's become (even though at this stage he *still* has more growing to do before the end of the game). It also shows he genuinely respected Freya since he was always being himself around her (for better or worse)
Every time he says “many who were not” I always think about that one moment in GOW3 when he smashed a guy’s head into a wall and threw him off the edge just because he was in Kratos’ way whilst shimmying from a burning building
Kratos saying "We must be better" is such great character development. From the Rage filled monster of the First trilogy to a Wise and Rational man in the new games
I really really really really RRREEEAAALLLY appreciate Mimir's words of reassurance in this scene. Atreus is confused and Kratos knows, along with the player, the weight of the decision he made. But still... I needed that. i really needed that "we both agree you did the right thing" today.
Actually he was evil because he killed a shit ton of innocents long before he started his vengeance. And he didnt sacrifice himself at the end of GoW 3. He wanted to die, thats why he killed himself, not because he wanted to give someone hope. Developers cinfirmed that. Kratos doesnt give a shit about people, he just tries to be better for his son.
@@MrSernyak actually no, kratos was a kind hearted person just really violent. He really gave the people hope, that's why he sacrificed himself. He refused to be a pawn of Athena.
@@FATI_SZN its an inside joke I made up with Shrek and God of War. You know,, The Boulder scene when he's like I like that Boulder. That is a nice Boulder.
Not really I mean the Greeks tried and failed on top of that she’s doing it out of her rage and vengeance which genuinely, once she gets a level head I’m sure she’ll be fine.
The irony is that this is all freya's fault; when she heard the prophecy that he would die a needless death and placed the invulnerable spell on him, it drove him mad. I've seen a few people refer to freya as a narcissistic parent, being that she doesn't care about his happiness or mental health, only that he stays alive. who knows how he would have turned out had she not cast the spell on him, but in "protecting" him, she caused him years of pain, agony, and torment. I think another reason why kratos killed him was because he was probably concerned that baldur would attack him and atreus after he finished killing his mother, as he still had orders from odin
@@avarageplayer200 Hahah, no. Greek Gods grow stronger as they age. Kratos is actually stronger than his younger self, confirmed by the director himself.
I dont think kratos will ever mention his previous family. too much pain and unnecessary, kratos has already told Atreus to not be like the young angry spartan he once was, it only leads to a lifetime of misery
Spikey Senju Kratos had a fcked up life i feel bad for him sometimes in a way he killed his wife and daughter indirectly it was his fault he was too vengeful and violent if he had only listened to the witch outside the Temple none of it would of happened
Young Kratos was kind of Ignorant it wasn’t Ares who killed his wife and child it was himself he just wanted to blame someone for his mistakes and make an excuse to kill the Gods
If you think about it, Kratos would feel too guilty to talk about killing all of the Greek pantheon, but talking about deimos shouldnt be that painful since he wasn't the one to kill him
After the whole speech the way Kratos says “we must be better” sounds so profound. Also, I like the touch of how Mimir needs to acknowledge their actions like it wasn’t clear, but like in the real world, things aren’t so black and white. Great touch by the developers.
Absolute perfectly directed scene down to the music. “Then you do not know me” “I know enough. Does he” Exchange of a “don’t you dare woman, it’s not your place” Glare back from Freya “oh I’m finninn do it” “BOY!”…Freya bites her tongue. Kratos proves Gods can grow good. Freya’s rage and resentment was quenched in the presence of a child still yet. Her mothering “nature” instincts triumph above all. I see an honorable sacrifice coming from her in Ragnarok.
1:40 The way he turns from the camera hides his beard and Nordic weapons but also reveals his classic tattoos, bald head, and Blades of Chaos really hammers in his story about Sparta.
I mean...is it really considered "evil" My guy just wanted to sleep without hearing his dead wife and daughter's screams :/ And the gods just decided to be like : *NOPE*
In his rage, kratos destroyed his home bc the gods offered him no peace and kept poking the sleeping bear that was his pain. Bc he let his emotions rage unchecked, his suffering was inflicted onto the world as he tore down the gods responsible keeping it in balance. The dead roamed free and seas swelled and engulfed the land. In a way kratos took the place of zeus in the greeks myth of the great flood and caused it himself
I love the amount of detail in this game, when kratos says he’s killed many who were deserving you can see his face become very full of rage and anger when he says it but when he says and many who were not he feels the pain and sorry he’s brought to his first family and everyone else who stood the raft of his rage this scene truly shows how kratos has changed and developed into a real man who really cares about his wife and son💯
I just realized how that last line before Freya leaves mirrors the line when he shoots the deer. He goes from “Don’t be sorry, be better.” To “WE must be better.”
I still love how they reweaved the Norse lore to be unique but still feel very possible a variant of interpretation. And I love how all the Norse gods as they learn of Kratos think they know him and his nature but none know his sacrifices, his atrocities, and how he has made a willing sacrifice of himself before and I feel will again in Ragnarok.
This has to be one of the best scenes in the whole story. Kratos telling his son the truth. Turning around not to face a god or titan, but a little boy, his son.
BOY. I am from a land called Sparta. I could tell you an extremely simplified version of what happend, or you could just take this ps2 and play these badass games.
The fact that Mimir is the one to say that Freya "will come around" makes me think that she actually might. She may never actually forgive Kratos for killing Baldur, but she may finally accept that in the end Kratos did the right thing and that Baldur's death is his own (and Freya's) fault. And if that happens, I could actually see Freya starting to view Atreus like an adoptive son, where Atreus give Freya something to focus on and keep herself "centered", rather than letting her rage and grief consume her. Freya is also supposed to be one of the Norse Gods who survives Ragnarok. However, if Ragnarok plays out mostly like it does in the actual mythology, then Atreus will die during Ragnarok, as he is supposed to die fighting Heimdall (Loki & Heimdall kill each other). So in that case the only way Atreus/Loki might survive would be if Kratos or Freya is there helping him fight and kill Heimdall.
If they ever make a GOW movie, it will be near impossible to touch all the amazing voice actors who've done all the games over the years. Absolutely incredible.
"I killed my father" forgot the rest "and my mother, and my first wife, and my daughter, by the way you have a sister, most of my brothers (He didn't kill Deimos, but he did kill Ares, Perseus, Hercules, and Hephaestus, that's 4 half brothers), and 2 sisters, and 2 uncles, and my grandfather, and my cousin, and finally my aunt who was also my stepmother."
He was tricked into killing his wife and child, he killed his mother out of mercy, and killed Athena by accident. The rest? He wasn't tricked or did any of them by accident. Not saying they didn't deserve it, but still, dude killed most of his family.
Yes what he did was pretty awful. But the gods weren’t exactly innocent either. Ares brainwashed him to kill his family and Zeus destroyed Sparta on top of that. I’d think his revenge is sorta justified
“And you do not know me” “but i know enough”😂 try again. This man about to run through all them gods like a marathon. Good luck thor. Should’ve brought pops🤷🏽🤣
Early into the game, we Kratos constantly hiding away from Atreus, and whenever he gives bits of the truth, he'd always have his back turned to Atreus. Now he finally faced Atreus, admitting he killed his father.
True Neutral Actually he’s still pretty much in his prime. Just because he LOOKS older and has facial hair doesn’t mean he is weaker. It is said that current has never been stronger. Then add all the powers and abilities he had from GoW 3, he would be unstoppable... literally. Even Kratos couldn’t kill Kratos at the end of GoW 3z
If that was Young Kratos he would of killed Baldur in their first fight and would of killed Freya soon after she found out he was a God to cover his tracks
Loki being his son makes sense, the rage thats fueling kratos will seep into atreus in a way unique to himself and then he too will break the godly dynamic and free the people of the world. I love how kratos has become more human as time goes on. He was always human even to the point that he stabs himself in the chest to free the world.
Even with the awesome score in the background and the superb performances by the VA, I still got distracted by the way Kratos' beard waving because of the wind
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"The death of a child is not something a parent gets over easily"
For example, the entire plot of the Original Trilogy
Cronos eating his sons: That's cute
@@doppelminds1040 They were not dead. They were imprisoned inside him.
@@eltonjohntubola3212 technically he ate with the intent to kill tho they just busted out of his stomach and killed him I think
@@anitabonghit7606 He practically vomited them.
I think he started another cycle of a God of war killing someone's family
loved how she said that kratos robbed her of everything. well now you know how your son felt
never thought about it like that till now. all baldur had after what happened was his life, all freya has after he dies is her life
@@WhenGoatsWentBaa He couldn't feel anything. Heat, cold, taste, pain, ANYTHING. That is not living. Baldur found life in death, he died happy knowing he could feel
Kratos saved her life if it wasn’t for him she’d be dead
Kratos did a favor for both, saved Freya's life and did a favor to Baldr by freeing him from his immortality. I think Kratos did what must be done, Freya must to live as she will play an important role in the progress of the Norse world. I don't think she will kill Kratos, I think she will join them at some point to take down Asgard as they are the ones that caused this, banished her race, set anxiety leading to her binding the "curse" on her own son.
I think Freya does understand that it needed to happen, but grief makes you say and do irrational things. She'll either join Kratos and Atreus after some fights probably or she'll go full Kratos and die after apologizing.
"Who i was, is not who you will be". Such strong words
Captain Dedpul yeah true
Ironically Atreus aka Loki is the one that brings about Ragnarok i.e the Twilight of the Gods upon the nine realms. He literally becomes his father’s past self, bringing the death of the Norse gods. However, he may do it as obligation than revenge since it’s prophesied that he has to do it anyway.
@@ModelNumbers thats the IRL lore Loki, we don't know how this one would go yet but we can make theories about it.
Truth.
Destiny change when they kill thor sons
@@neardarkroad1347 They will probably follow the general arcs.
"I killed my father." Weeellll Kratos... lets not forget your first wife, daughter, mother, both uncles, all your half-siblings and you know the rest...
Well, those we kinda unplanned killings.
He was only after Zeus and Zeus alone. The rest were "only" in his way....
Killjoy45 Though his quest started with the Hunt for Ares.
And all his grands and great grands and distant aunts and uncles and cousins...
well he did say he killed those who WEREN'T deserving.
Sum Gai One thing thatk ind of bugs me about the original god of wars. Out of the entire greek pantheon that we slice/bang our way through we somehow just miss Artemis.
1:15 That was one of the most powerful BOYS that Kratos has ever said
Lol
You could almost feel the shockwave
haha totally agreed with you
Imagine if that was an attack similar to fus ro dah but just BOY
I felt that
"The death of a child is not something a parent gets over easily.......with the exception of Zeus"
But he isn’t over it. That’s why he saw Zeus twice in Hel.
@@tommoore2012 he means Zeus had no issue getting over his child's death not kratos being over killing Zeus
Well, Zeus makes so many he hardly has any chance to get any emotional connection with them.
@@UnholyWrath3277 In fairness, Zeus does show remorse when killing him in GOW2. It's when Kratos gets to the point of actually assaulting Olympus that he really stops caring. He also clearly shows remorse after the spirit of Pandora's Box leaves him
@@auberginemanproductions1608 I know I was just correcting the person before me
I like the small touch of how Kratos' eyes soften just before and after he says "and many who were not." It's clear he's not just thinking about his wife and daughter, but the many, many, MANY innocent people who suffered and died for the sake of his revenge. People he killed or let die without a second look. He REALLY has matured since then.
Beards always bring wisdom
Now i just remember that i make kratos kill every civillian just for red orbs and green one in Ghost of sparta
Person who were not deserving
Exhibit A: Poseidon's Princess who was made into a human stopper who was crushed in the process.
@@lordrald09 Yup.
don't forget the last spartan soldier in gow 2
I believe the only reason Kratos killed Baldur was not to only protect Freya but to stop the cycle of gods killing their parents. The sins of the parent is was fuels the rage of the god the most in both Greek and Norse mythology. It's what makes them into monstrosities, something only Kratos sees that other gods don't and that's why he did what he did. to prevent what Kratos once did to the Greek Pantheon.
That’s kinda established already since before this clip before he killed Baldur he said “the cycle ends here, we must be better than this”
But he and Atreus start ragnarok by killing him
But now the cycle of killing gods continues for kratos. Hell even atreus got his first god kill with modi.
Dean V. That's almost certainly correct.
John Smith
I prefer not to think about it brother, I thought the ending was bad anyway.
The way the boy says "Sons killing their mothers...their fathers?" hits me like a hammer to my heart
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And how kratos voice cracked when he said no
It is a cycle of conflict between parent and child.
However in Kratos case, Zeus and all of the Gods were against Kratos. They obviously had it coming.
@@asuraspath2262 Not to mention the twist that the evils Kratos unleashed from pandora's box in gow1 plagued the gods. No wonder zeus tried to kill kratos, he was plagued with fear but after kratos beat the evil out of zeus, his rage made him continued to beat zeus to death and zeus' real intentions and thought didn't reach kratos' ears. They never got to talk it out and things would've gone different had athena knew that hope went inside of kratos and the evils went to the other gods.
I don't think Freya will end up being a villain. She seemed angry at Kratos but not Atreus. I don't see Freya wanting to kill another child that she helped save just for revenge.
AGhostInTheWild I think she might be a boss fight in the next game but it will end up being kind of like the Deimos fight where she comes to her senses and begins to help them again.
I think they'll both get her to see reason in a future game. I feel like a lot of her hatred is just anger and grief that she needs time to burn through. Like Mimir said basically.
Freya wasn't too fond of Loki in the actual mythology though.
@@RaisedbyMalcolm_ Im pretty sure, the Player got the Valkyrie Wings in the Next game from her.
Just a Theory.
She cant accept what she was wrong. This is a Charakterflaw, comon for Gods and absolut toxic for a Person in a long term.
Kratos didn't just kill his father he literally killed his entire family. The Only family member he didn't kill was Deimos.
He said that he killed those who were deserving, and those who were not.
Well, and Aphrodite.
The creators have said that even those who weren't directly killed by Kratos still probably died after the fall of Olympus and the death of Zeus. @Joseph Sosa
And Aphrodite the god of whore
Well we all know why he let Aphrodite live
Music when kratos speaks is phenomenal
very subtle but powerful. I got goosebumps.
Indeed it was! 👍🏾
Sharen Davenport I'm from sparta ☠💀
I love whenever the mom song starts playing in a cutscene. Especially at the end when Kratos and Atreus finally spread the ashes.
Does anyone know where I can listen to that?
The tragedy of Freya is that all she did, she did it for herself, her own comfort, her own relief, her own peace of mind, and she never acknowledged Baldur's pain as being real, or valid, or more important than her own judgment.
Overly protective parent o.p.p
That might be all parents. They choose their own relief over the reliefs of their children
@@michaelwinchester5003 That's how failures are not how good parents are
I feel like she knew the prophecy that Baldur will die and then Ragnarok is near. As a mother, it made her paranoid. she did her best on not getting him killed but at a great price. Baldur's fate is inevitable and she's just in denial.
@@BENR8108 dude stop projecting. Wtf do you mean this explain liberals? This Is my problem with some of you right wingers, you fundamentally refuses to use your fucking brain to actually understand that stupid generalisation arent facts. You say dumb shit and think that makes you smart just because it sounds harsh
Freya: He robbed me of everything!
Obi-Wan: You have done that yourself!
Underrated comment right here
I would say Odin played a bigger role in causing all this.
@@lucasmartinez5703 Well ragnarok was written by christian scholars so..there is a chance it's not real at all
Well yeah of course it's all fiction. That wasn't really what I was talking about, but ok.
Lmao, I wish whenever good moments happen, OB1 just mysteriously appears to say random words.
When Kratos says “and many who were not” you can see the sadness in his face about his ex wife and daughter
Not his ex. They were still together when he killed her.
Not only them . A lot .eg Athena
I wonder if in the years between God of War and Ragnarok, Kratos told Atreus about Calliope and her mother.
@@HybridSpektar they are still together now considering the ashes of kratos' first wife and daughter cover his skin and will never come off
@@Anyonewho87 The Last Spartan, who I think is the one called Atreus. Kratos just told his son that Spartan Atreus died in battle to hide the fact that he killed him himself.
Look at Freya's face when she slowly realizes that Atreus doesn't know yet.
She was straight up about to snitch on Kratos.
Fortunately, he wasn't gonna give her that. *" B O I "*
There’s a difference though Kratos is just hiding his own post but she forcibly made bouldr unable to feel pain also if you think about it it was either he dies or she dies and he dies because after he killed her, does she think he would’ve just left Kratos alone we all know that he was after them long before he saw his mother.
sorry freya nothing u can do that the Greeks haven't already
Jesse Willason
Ummm... no.
The Vanir are known for their tremendous magical abilities. So Kratos might be in for a nasty surprise.
Also Kratos is most likely weaker than he was when he decimated Greek Pantheon. Since he stabbed himself with the blade which contained his God powers, and he released those powers and the power of Hope to the world.
Yeah but the Greeks in total power of each god seperatly would totally destroy the Norse gods and kratos faced them down as only a demigod he lost his true god powers at the start of gow2 in not playing favorites here in descended from Vikings but I know the power of the Greeks and really look at medusa nothing worse than that the Norse are just kill happy and get high on blood they would just try and kill him and that won't work
And besides its all a moot point anyway there is a saying there is always someone stronger there are other gods in other games stronger dnd/elder scrolls so on so forth kratos comparatively is really weak
And there are only 3 vanir and they are of the seasons and njord is the god of the sea Frey is the god of summer the real freya is the goddess of spring those are the vanir
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I don't know how we would compare two mythologies in real life but we also don't know how the Norse gods are scaled to the Greek gods in the game. So I assume Odin is as strong as Zeus, Thor as Ares etc. Unless I see a guide or an interview from Santa Monica Studios, that states otherwise, I'm going to assume they're equal or at least comparable.
Freya: I CURSE THAT HEL WILL HUNT YOU DOWN KRATOS!
The Inhabitabts of Hel: Nope we're good here you may keep him.
Hel: Nah I'm good
@A regular piece of shit funny that Hel's mentioned; and given the Jotunheim reveal, must be an awkward moment for the Queen of the Dishonored Dead to receive grandpa.
@A regular piece of shit Atreus is Loki in the God of War universe, making Farbauti represented through Kratos because of his reputation as "Godslayer".
As for the grandpa element, Loki is Hel's father; and because of the reveal, that would make Kratos be the grandpa of the Queen of Helheim.
I mean they did see the mess he made when he was down there in this game particularly
@@DarsiPadilla the fact that Freya in the myths goes to Hel to beg for Baldur to be revived... Honey you fucked up threatening her grandpa no way is she gonna bring back the guy who tried to kill her whole family (Kratos, Atreus her brother Jörmungandr)
At least Baldur finally got his wish...
Just to feel all that is, that was.
At least he died happy knowing his Witch mother's spell was broken by little Loki.
Mr. Hyperface The concern is that in the mythology, Baldur is meant to return after the end of Ragnarok...
He died without tasting a serious and honest steak, dude, how unhappy and incomplete was this man.
He is, in the Halls of Valhalla, with his nephews, Magni and Modi.
Showgingah Yeah, but since this is god of war, kratos is gonna fuck up the time line of the mythology. Magni and modi were one of the few survivors of ragnarok, but they're already dead here
Hope we see him again in Hell.
Maybe Kratos make out whit his Mother in the later Games? After this revenge Plot.
“The cycle ends here...”
_"Must be better than this..."_
@@AidenPearce19 _Snow...._ (Baldur dies)
Zeus
@@lightheart5 Zous
I really wished, he would have mentioned his Wife and Daughter to Atreus
Bruce Doyle he kinda did.
"I killed many who were deserving...and many who are not."
Clear indication that he killed his family, even if Arteus doesn't figure it out.
Not really, i mean sure obviously his Wife and daughter are part of the not deserving list, but he didnt full on mentioned his Wife and Daughter to his Son, thats what i was hoping, telling Atreus abit more about his past and seeing Atreus reaction about his dead half Sister.
Damn I was hoping Kratos mentioning Calliope ,her daughter, to Atreus so that he will know his sister more. Step siblings since Calliope and Atreus had different mothers
The reason he didn't could also have to do with how maybe it has nothing to do with it. Remember that his daughter was barely a god while Atreus is much different than his half sister. Since he was bought into the fold early on with him being half god and half giant it could explain why he didn't mention them(since at the time he was mortal making his daughter also mortal), as the other family he's killed were all divine.
Kratos was always a demi god from day 1 though remember, since his dad is Zeus he just became a full god after he killed Aries.
I simply *LOVE* how the chorus starts when he says Sparta. This game is a master piece and i can't wait for Ragnarok.
me to kratos vs thor is gonna be epic!!!
YESS!! Omgosh I love that part. Can someone tell me the name of the soundtrack?
Kratos: "We must be better."
Freya: *glares at Kratos*
Kratos: "That's what i said to your son. Right before i gave it to him!"
Lmao
The strangest thing about this is that, despite the fact that whatever action Kratos took in the Greek era was absolutely abhorrent and disgusting at best, I have to admit that Kratos in this game actually did the RIGHT THING because we all know that Freya managed to save his son way before and Kratos actually owes her a debt of gratitude. It's this reason alone that he decides to take no other viable option but to kill Baldur and spare Freya's life, giving Kratos a true sense of humanity despite its tragic and troubling outcome.
And he gave Baldur PLENTY of chances to stop. Way more than you'd expect anyone to give. Shows how much Kratos REALLY didn't wanna have to kill him.
The only issue with that logic is that Freya saved Atreus without any desire for anything. She saw Kratos and Atreus as the avenue for getting back to Baldur and trying to reconcile what she did, even though she still believed that taking away Baldur's pain and making him immortal was the right thing to do in order to protect him. In many ways, allowing Baldur to kill Freya would've actually been a better act of kindness than killing Baldur and starting Ragnarok. Now, don't misunderstand, I believe Kratos has undoubtedly changed since the original trilogy, but you have to admit that in circumstances like this, he does immediately rush to killing more than anything else. Granted, he gave Baldur plenty of chances to walk away, but Baldur was so filled with rage and hatred for Freya, that it would've almost seemed dishonorable to both Freya and Baldur to kill him rather than let Baldur kill Freya and let Baldur walk away. Remember, Baldur got what he wanted which was to feel again, and he didn't care about anything else, much less Odin's desire to get to Jotunheim. Baldur even said it, "why do you even care. You could've walked away." Baldure was just a grunt interested in a selfish goal, but despite that, it was an issue that wasn't Kratos's concern and he should've walked away. But hey, one man's opinion here.
Ok to be fair, the Greek Pantheon absolutely deserved what happened to them. Kratos just took it way to far and killed FAR more people than he needed to
Freya is now much like Kratos was when he wanted vengeance on Ares.
And she was the queen of the valkyries. She's cursed to be unable to harm anyone though, so there's that
+CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES !!!
And he has the blessing of the valkyries too.
She did say she would bring hell upon him, so that remains atleast.
To be seen how.
But Kratos and Ares vary widely in their choice of killing freyas family from ares to Kratos family. Kratos did the right thing, where ares was feuled purely by selfishness and power
Oh shit. Freya wants vengeance against the *god of war* kratos.
Not even close to Kratos
That "you will never change" "then you do not know me" is such a powerful line from Kratos, it shows that even he's aware just how different he's become (even though at this stage he *still* has more growing to do before the end of the game). It also shows he genuinely respected Freya since he was always being himself around her (for better or worse)
Every time he says “many who were not” I always think about that one moment in GOW3 when he smashed a guy’s head into a wall and threw him off the edge just because he was in Kratos’ way whilst shimmying from a burning building
I always think of captain
LOL SAME XD XD
Or those girls from Poseidon's harem.
I'm thinking of orkos
And that woman he used as a doorstop that got crushed by a wheel
Kratos saying "We must be better" is such great character development. From the Rage filled monster of the First trilogy to a Wise and Rational man in the new games
Well said, but I couldn’t help but giggle at the last line thanks to Thor. “Ru a calm and reasonable person”
3:34 GoW5 foreshadowing
Kinda sorta, probably. But not as we think.
Answer_is_B it better not be
Rip Atreus
5 more.
Well kratos will just chop of his son (I think)
I really really really really RRREEEAAALLLY appreciate Mimir's words of reassurance in this scene. Atreus is confused and Kratos knows, along with the player, the weight of the decision he made. But still... I needed that. i really needed that "we both agree you did the right thing" today.
The voice actress for Freya is *unbelievable*. So much emotion in that speech
"And feed your soul to the vilest filth in hell"
Kratos: Been there. Kinda cold this time of the year.
Meanwhile every soul in Hel simultaneously goes “actually we rather you didn’t bring him back here”
@@JacOfArts Well you have the question does he even go to Hel or Hades as the Last Olympian God albeit he hates them. Oh Wait.....
Kratos wasn't so much evil as misguided and vengeful in his past. In the end though, he gave the world the power of Hope.
Actually he was evil because he killed a shit ton of innocents long before he started his vengeance. And he didnt sacrifice himself at the end of GoW 3. He wanted to die, thats why he killed himself, not because he wanted to give someone hope. Developers cinfirmed that. Kratos doesnt give a shit about people, he just tries to be better for his son.
@@MrSernyak Completely agree. Kratos was a selfish, evil, scoundrel.
@@MrSernyak actually no, kratos was a kind hearted person just really violent. He really gave the people hope, that's why he sacrificed himself. He refused to be a pawn of Athena.
@@nehh_aksat No he wasnt. And he didnt sacrifice himself for people, play the game. Developers themselves said that he didnt give a shit about people.
@@MrSernyak Oh ok, maybe I was wrong. Thank you for clearing my doubt!
boy:how many people have you killed?
kratos:how many breads have you eaten in your life?
His kill> breads x10000
“Baldur, Donkey.” -Shrek
“That is a nice Baldur.” -Donkey
“That is a dead Baldur.” -Kratos
wtf hahahah
I took literally 10 minutes to figure it out wtf u meant xDXD
@@fiuabinhalixoso9298
Lol
@@blackstardragon_ I still don't understand what you mean?
@@FATI_SZN its an inside joke I made up with Shrek and God of War. You know,, The Boulder scene when he's like I like that Boulder. That is a nice Boulder.
When Freya swore vengeance on Kratos, I was literally unnerved.
Not really I mean the Greeks tried and failed on top of that she’s doing it out of her rage and vengeance which genuinely, once she gets a level head I’m sure she’ll be fine.
When he said "I killed many who were deserving. And many who were not" as his face shifted from ambition to guilt made me tear up.
The irony is that this is all freya's fault; when she heard the prophecy that he would die a needless death and placed the invulnerable spell on him, it drove him mad. I've seen a few people refer to freya as a narcissistic parent, being that she doesn't care about his happiness or mental health, only that he stays alive. who knows how he would have turned out had she not cast the spell on him, but in "protecting" him, she caused him years of pain, agony, and torment.
I think another reason why kratos killed him was because he was probably concerned that baldur would attack him and atreus after he finished killing his mother, as he still had orders from odin
"Lets finished this journey while i still have my strength" so sad...
How is that sad?
@@imanrakhshan he is getting old .
@@avarageplayer200 hes a god, pretty positive age doesnt matter to him very much
@@avarageplayer200 Hahah, no. Greek Gods grow stronger as they age. Kratos is actually stronger than his younger self, confirmed by the director himself.
@@travissmith5945 he is half god..
I wonder if Kratos will mention demios, so Atreus can learn about his uncle
I dont think kratos will ever mention his previous family. too much pain and unnecessary, kratos has already told Atreus to not be like the young angry spartan he once was, it only leads to a lifetime of misery
Spikey Senju Kratos had a fcked up life i feel bad for him sometimes in a way he killed his wife and daughter indirectly it was his fault he was too vengeful and violent if he had only listened to the witch outside the Temple none of it would of happened
Young Kratos was kind of Ignorant it wasn’t Ares who killed his wife and child it was himself he just wanted to blame someone for his mistakes and make an excuse to kill the Gods
If you think about it, Kratos would feel too guilty to talk about killing all of the Greek pantheon, but talking about deimos shouldnt be that painful since he wasn't the one to kill him
He has to, though.
His growth also includes dealing with pain and loss.
There was a reason for his rampage...
The best Lesson in Life a Father can give to his Son or Daughter: WHO I WAS IS NOT WHO YOU WILL BE, WE MUST BE BETTER...
I will do the same.
After the whole speech the way Kratos says “we must be better” sounds so profound. Also, I like the touch of how Mimir needs to acknowledge their actions like it wasn’t clear, but like in the real world, things aren’t so black and white. Great touch by the developers.
1:21 I love when he says “I am from a land called Sparta” then his theme plays
Absolute perfectly directed scene down to the music.
“Then you do not know me”
“I know enough. Does he”
Exchange of a “don’t you dare woman, it’s not your place”
Glare back from Freya “oh I’m finninn do it”
“BOY!”…Freya bites her tongue.
Kratos proves Gods can grow good.
Freya’s rage and resentment was quenched in the presence of a child still yet. Her mothering “nature” instincts triumph above all. I see an honorable sacrifice coming from her in Ragnarok.
Everyone is busy with christopher judge but danielle is also equally praise worthy with her voice acting
"I killed many who were deserving, and many who were not"
"like who?"
"well, mortals in greece drop health orbs when you tear them in half so..."
1:40 The way he turns from the camera hides his beard and Nordic weapons but also reveals his classic tattoos, bald head, and Blades of Chaos really hammers in his story about Sparta.
I mean...is it really considered "evil"
My guy just wanted to sleep without hearing his dead wife and daughter's screams :/
And the gods just decided to be like :
*NOPE*
Yeah, like mimir said the greek gods had it coming
In his rage, kratos destroyed his home bc the gods offered him no peace and kept poking the sleeping bear that was his pain. Bc he let his emotions rage unchecked, his suffering was inflicted onto the world as he tore down the gods responsible keeping it in balance. The dead roamed free and seas swelled and engulfed the land. In a way kratos took the place of zeus in the greeks myth of the great flood and caused it himself
Not only that, but the thousands of screams of people he murdered in cold blood, the slaughters he led, consumed in his bloodlusted rage
The vocal performance here by the one and only Christopher Judge is PHENOMENAL
I love the amount of detail in this game, when kratos says he’s killed many who were deserving you can see his face become very full of rage and anger when he says it but when he says and many who were not he feels the pain and sorry he’s brought to his first family and everyone else who stood the raft of his rage this scene truly shows how kratos has changed and developed into a real man who really cares about his wife and son💯
I love the part when he says "I am from a land called Sparta" and the music switches from Nordic to Spartan
“ We will be the gods we choose to be” that line always sounds so amazing to me
Is it me or anyone else also thing that if lion could speak english it would be same as kratos voice!!XD
HUMANOID GAMER Have you seen , the lion the witch and the wardrobe
What lion?
PaPa Told Me Too aren’t u talking about that Lion from Narnia if u want to know what a badass lion sounds like that is Mufasa’s voice
@@TbYolo the lion from Narnia was Liam Neeson, James Earl Jones was Mufasa
UR TALKING ABOUT LION FROM STEVEN UNIVERSE
“So you would let me kill you”
“If it meant you would live…yes”
Foreshadowing.
And a another way saying that he loves his son
”WE must be better“
Good Lord, I love this quote
I just realized how that last line before Freya leaves mirrors the line when he shoots the deer. He goes from “Don’t be sorry, be better.” To “WE must be better.”
I still love how they reweaved the Norse lore to be unique but still feel very possible a variant of interpretation. And I love how all the Norse gods as they learn of Kratos think they know him and his nature but none know his sacrifices, his atrocities, and how he has made a willing sacrifice of himself before and I feel will again in Ragnarok.
While still mostly respecting the lore
To be fair though I feel death is the only way Baldur could find peace.
"I'm from a land called Sparta"
And that baritone choir drops in and bam!!! Instant awesomeness ❤️
Freya: “You are just an animal”
Atreus in ragnorok: well yes actually I am
The voice acting in this game is truly remarkable. Love this game so much
00:10 ive heard worse as far as wedding vows go.
She must have been something
This has to be one of the best scenes in the whole story. Kratos telling his son the truth. Turning around not to face a god or titan, but a little boy, his son.
3:24 The entire plot of previous God of War saga summed up in one sentence.
I do like how both Norse games seem to have that theme of "we must be better"
"I will rain every violation imaginable upon you"
She is LUCKY she was dealing with dad kratos
He'd have given her teary-eyed ass the Hera treatment.
I love how Kratos said "I killed my father" as if he'd do it again in a heartbeat.
I feel like his voice changed there from the booming deep voice in this game back to the voice he had in the first 3 games.
I’m glad he says it when he does, avoiding Freya or another god manipulating His son with that info or something
BOY. I am from a land called Sparta. I could tell you an extremely simplified version of what happend, or you could just take this ps2 and play these badass games.
LMAO
"I killed many who were deserving... And many who were not." That has to be one of the best game quotes.
2:41 that slushing effects of the ground, them visuals XD
When Kratos says "And many who were not" you could almost see Kratos' heart break at what he says, because of his wife and daughter.
The fact that Mimir is the one to say that Freya "will come around" makes me think that she actually might. She may never actually forgive Kratos for killing Baldur, but she may finally accept that in the end Kratos did the right thing and that Baldur's death is his own (and Freya's) fault. And if that happens, I could actually see Freya starting to view Atreus like an adoptive son, where Atreus give Freya something to focus on and keep herself "centered", rather than letting her rage and grief consume her.
Freya is also supposed to be one of the Norse Gods who survives Ragnarok. However, if Ragnarok plays out mostly like it does in the actual mythology, then Atreus will die during Ragnarok, as he is supposed to die fighting Heimdall (Loki & Heimdall kill each other). So in that case the only way Atreus/Loki might survive would be if Kratos or Freya is there helping him fight and kill Heimdall.
Exactly the reason why I want to fight Heimdall in Ragnarok
If they ever make a GOW movie, it will be near impossible to touch all the amazing voice actors who've done all the games over the years. Absolutely incredible.
Hopefully they won't
“She’ll come around just give her time”
Oh she’ll come around alright. With sword and blade and intent to kill
"...and many who were not."
That poor boat captain.
Kratos : We must be Better...
The Best Word of Game History
“She’ll come around”
Somehow attempts to kill Kratos in the Ragnorok trailer
God i missed the old kratos, itll be like:
Freya: you robbed me everything!!!
Kratos: then go join your son in hell *snaps her neck*
But would atreus do that in the future i meant he will go genocide instead of pacifist?
@@RobNob0546 he probably gonna have a choice....I want to see Atreus fight Valdr (the silent badass) or Vali (the God murder)
Baldur disliked this video...
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~while i still have strength, if it meant you would live,,,, yes. Made me sad 😩😩
Kratos basically ended a whole religion.
And Loki will end this one
Freya: KRATOS YOU PRICK!
Kratos: It was an accident, woman!
"I killed my father" forgot the rest "and my mother, and my first wife, and my daughter, by the way you have a sister, most of my brothers (He didn't kill Deimos, but he did kill Ares, Perseus, Hercules, and Hephaestus, that's 4 half brothers), and 2 sisters, and 2 uncles, and my grandfather, and my cousin, and finally my aunt who was also my stepmother."
AgentRedgrave Many who were deserving. And many who were not.
When you get sick of your family
Wasn’t he tricked into killing them though? It’s not really his fault
He was tricked into killing his wife and child, he killed his mother out of mercy, and killed Athena by accident. The rest? He wasn't tricked or did any of them by accident. Not saying they didn't deserve it, but still, dude killed most of his family.
AgentRedgrave
He also killed Hercules in self defence
“Odin must have convinced him that following you to Jotenheim would bring him his cure” well…not to jotenheim, but he DID get his cure.
Yes what he did was pretty awful. But the gods weren’t exactly innocent either. Ares brainwashed him to kill his family and Zeus destroyed Sparta on top of that. I’d think his revenge is sorta justified
I am a gamer boi, I insulted many who we’re deserving, and many who were not.
It did seem that Freya lost her son to Kratos. To be honest, she lost her son the moment she cast that invulnerability spell on him.
“And you do not know me” “but i know enough”😂 try again. This man about to run through all them gods like a marathon. Good luck thor. Should’ve brought pops🤷🏽🤣
Early into the game, we Kratos constantly hiding away from Atreus, and whenever he gives bits of the truth, he'd always have his back turned to Atreus. Now he finally faced Atreus, admitting he killed his father.
Argentinian: *I'm from a land called Germany*
Freya acts like all of what she has to throw at kratos will stop him....
Well if he was in his prime there would be no contest.
there isnt any contest shes been cursed to never harm anybody, anything she throws at kratos is nothing compared to the gods.
True Neutral Actually he’s still pretty much in his prime. Just because he LOOKS older and has facial hair doesn’t mean he is weaker. It is said that current has never been stronger. Then add all the powers and abilities he had from GoW 3, he would be unstoppable... literally. Even Kratos couldn’t kill Kratos at the end of GoW 3z
If that was Young Kratos he would of killed Baldur in their first fight and would of killed Freya soon after she found out he was a God to cover his tracks
Nah son he would be like bitch lets make another baby
This kratos is actually stronger than his prime version
The subtle change it Kratos’ expression when he mentions those he killed that weren’t deserving is so good
Loki being his son makes sense, the rage thats fueling kratos will seep into atreus in a way unique to himself and then he too will break the godly dynamic and free the people of the world. I love how kratos has become more human as time goes on. He was always human even to the point that he stabs himself in the chest to free the world.
It’s amazing to see how Kratos went from the merciless, bloodthirsty, vengeful god-killer. To a humble, kind hearted father to his son.
Even with the awesome score in the background and the superb performances by the VA, I still got distracted by the way Kratos' beard waving because of the wind
Freya really does not know who she is threatening
3:30
Something tells me that this little moment will be very significant in the future.
He forgot to tell him about how he fucking massacred almost all of mount olympus
"I killed many who were deserving, and many who were not...
There was also this one Sea Captain..."
"I know enough"
Well....he'd have killed you without even flinching 15 years ago